where can i see what gear the builds use @shrewd pine
#assassination
shrewd pine
for prepatch?
strange python
ahh
shrewd pine
wait for hero damage sims
strange python
kk
arctic isle
why would bis not exist with wf/tf?
strange python
ty
arctic isle
bis would just be the tf/wf piece of that
solid nova
Because whats best for you is entirely dependant on your individual stat weights, gear, tier pieces, off pieces etc
shrewd pine
Because 980 memento > 930 scourgewing
shrewd pine
as example.
You can have "at the same ilvl BiS" trinkets and whatnot, but given titanforging and other bullshit, those list dont hold as much value as they used to.
solid nova
shrewd pine
^
shrewd night
In a perfect world Id have 985 in all slots too yes
solid nova
Don't forget the sockets
nimble hazel
- avoidance, so you can stand in every aoe and not give a shit
shrewd pine
nova zealot
Hi guys new to rogue and been messing around with assas, I was just curious on your openers for a boss situation
nova zealot
ahhh cheers
scenic quail
any resources to read around pre-patch changes?
vestal wren
all bfa class changes are in
scenic quail
so we playing sub from wednesday based on the sims in the bfa discussion?
looks to be performing pretty well
vestal wren
wowhead has all changes in their class guides
scenic quail
yea ive seen them
vestal wren
and no, you play what you like all 3 specs look fine also those sims are without tier and legos
scenic quail
yea ok fair enough
steep obsidian
im pretty sure they will overly nerf content such that you can pug anything
things might be hard tomorrow but will get tuned down that the way it happen with previous squish
so meh you will be able to get away with doing whatever you want
manic fossil
Is haste going to be good for us now or we still rocking mastery crit?
mental pagoda
i think haste will be important cze of tick dmg from bleed and poison
shrewd night
Nobody knows until tuning is done
silk sundial
I'm just gonna start holding onto any and all gear to try out different builds for now
elder kernel
That's what prepatch is good for
Tuning probably won't be done until post BfA release, correct?
shrewd pine
tuning wont be done till heroic raid release...
elfin fossil
Probably right before Uldir opens
strange python
p sure they do a tuning pass a week before mythic or something.
shrewd pine
Which is heroic raid release...
drifting cloud
thin ingot
So guys, which is going to be the best spec in bfa? π€
deep beacon
Also asking which is best spec is relative to you, what you do, what is fun for you, etc.
solid nova
And theres still further tuning etc etc
Same old same old
Literally discussed a few lines up
solid nova
Sounds about right fam
deep beacon
Have to decide which alt to work on also...first will be rogue of course
tepid ridge
a 2nd more lucky rogue? π
deep beacon
I do have two lol
lone parrot
in the assassiation guide it says to start with garrote for opener, is that really the best use of nightstalker?
drifting cloud
yes.
lone parrot
ok
marble hemlock
@exotic glen you seem to be very well informed, mayhaps you could tell me what the best spec going into BfA will be?
exotic glen
np anytime dude
marble hemlock
if i ever have more questions, mind if i ask you?
exotic glen
if you're gonna ask me what streamers to follow on twitch, i'd say should follow incarnated
he good
exotic glen
dont come again
marble hemlock
π¦
exotic glen
deep beacon
Though if depending on what you are doing you could start a fight with an envenom if you have CP up and are using the mantle with NS
exotic glen
you would rupture first then
deep beacon
For the extra to rupture... yeah I suppose unless stuff is dying really fast π
exotic glen
depends on amount of mobs as well i guess
deep beacon
Would it ever make sense in a huge pack to use that on a FOK?
exotic glen
no
silk sundial
The only time I use FOK in stealth is with NS and shoulders on low keys when I know the mobs are going to die before my bleeds have a chance to do anything.
deep beacon
yeah NS with the mantle
exotic glen
i dont know the threshold for when garrote does less dmg than fok in a given aoe situation, but i think it would be 3+ mobs
also need to account for the combo points gained by crit foks
i thought you meant if you had max combo points and wanted to fok
on a pack
silk sundial
If I know the mobs are going to die within a few seconds, I'll open with fok, envenom, fok ect
exotic glen
like everyone else
cosmic pier
Have there been sims done specifically for prepatch? The sims in bfa discussion seem to be for fresh 120
And do we know when raidbots will have prepatch available for simming?
undone hill
strange python
i think you can take the apl from #tc-research and do it
cosmic pier
Aight, between the downtime and work I wonβt have time to do much practice before raid with new talents
strange python
oh. that's subtlety.
Is there anywhere currently that shows different talent builds for beta?
strange python
#456965066638753802 has pinned sims that show what appear to be the best talents rn
ty
nimble tartan
i cant believe assassination finally dies tomorrow
steep obsidian
what?
steep obsidian
no
nimble tartan
yes
exotic glen
maybe
ripe nimbus
That's a big yikes
lone junco
@nimble tartan dig your pirate hat out of the trash. π€Ί
nimble tartan
sub has been THE spec of the last 2 raids ok please respect it
ripe nimbus
worn violet
So. Haste.
strange python
what about it
thick zodiac
Make u go fast
ripe nimbus
Zoom zoom
uneven summit
Do we have a prefered talent route for BFA ? π
fiery nest
π‘
strange python
pins in #456965066638753802
hoary copper
New Talent route: Respec or reroll
placid egret
Reroll
vestal wren
π rogue is bis
ripe nimbus
^
hoary copper
I already rolled Warrior, am I ....ahead of the curve? π
ripe nimbus
No ur a traitor get outta this discord! Jking I'm actually a main warrior in Legion rerolling to rogue lol
void pecan
lean hill
You must master all specs to be a true rogue
weak skiff
Been a DK main since Wrath and switched to rogue for BFA; most fun I've had in a long time so far.
hoary copper
Idk warrior is fun
lean hill
Heroic leap is the best
I have enjoyed my Arms warrior but not enough to pull me from rogue
hard grail
Guys, Im sure you answer this all the time. But I am looking to play rogue in BFA. I highly, highly prefer assasination, is it plausilbe in pushing M+? or Outlaw flatout better?
civic palm
No one can know that answer this soon.
calm grail
Blinding sigryns cast for the Mage Tower will stop it from even going off right if you get a during the cast?
civic palm
Yes
calm grail
I did it when it first came out, but now my wife wants me to do it for her and I was reading that doing it like that now is easier.
civic palm
Just wait for the emote she does and blind her, ezpz.
calm grail
I did it back where we had agonizing poison, I bet it is way more fun with deadly poison.
civic palm
Dunno.
calm grail
If you get her during the cast then you can just keep DPSing her right after I assume.
calm grail
I figured if I could cleave all three it would be quicker.
As long as her shit doesn't go off.
weak skiff
blind sigryn during her cast, kidney shot the melee guy (forgot his name) when he's enraged, and focus all dps on the caster
civic palm
Yes.
calm grail
Does Vanish bug the mage tower like it can the brawl pub?
strange python
no
lone junco
@undone hill 
vernal atlas
is it most beneficial to use vendetta, toxic blade and kingsbane on cd?
lone junco
a little late, but yes
vernal atlas
cool, thanks
lone junco
@vernal atlas there is a legion guide in the pins.
vernal atlas
yah I know, I was jsut unsure, since I found a youtube video with a guy who said you need to set them up. but when I did as he said I did 200k dmg less. popping everything when it comes up looks better
tranquil birch
I bet if you practice your kingsbane windows all day today you'll have it down by tomorrow π¬
lean hill
@vernal atlas that's why you don't get info from youtube π
vapid moth
So with the new talents coming in prepatch tomorrow what talent Leggo combos would work?
sly moon
I guess alot of ppl are jumping on the outlawl band wagon eh π
tired gull
disgusting
sly moon
depends what you're doing but vigor ring with mfd looks cool
void bough
Assa4lyfe
lone junco
@vapid moth shoulder cloak with the Hidden blades talent
sly moon
cloak sucks for sin
vapid moth
You dont think shoulders and stealth crit talent would just increase the crit duration window right
lone junco
Nah. But the cloak stack with the fok talent and hits for an unreasonable amount when you open from stealth with NS.
vapid moth
Interesting. I was gonna blow that one off but not anymore
sly moon
yea that is interesting
vapid moth
Leveling is gonna be too fucking easy
Imagine adding the pvp FoK talent with warmode on top of all that
sly moon
legos work till 119 right?
civic palm
116
vapid moth
116
civic palm
911
vapid moth
That's still 6 levels though
civic palm
yaaa
sly moon
true its better then nothing
vapid moth
I still wish they would let us wear more than 2 leggos at a time during this period
sly moon
I really hate crimson tempest
vapid moth
Why
civic palm
O _O get out
sly moon
its not good...trust me I played with it in the past
civic palm
It's extremely good O _O
civic palm
I think you might be dense.
lone junco
Very un true.
civic palm
Blood Sweat sucked.
sly moon
ok what makes tempest good. explain
lone junco
And "cloak sucks" at this point is just trolling.
civic palm
Poison Bomb damage is Low.
Crimson Tempest damage is High.
for AoE.
lone junco
Ct is just math. It has a hit component that is better than env in aoe.
civic palm
Pretty uhhh... straight-forward.
sly moon
its a weak bleed
sly moon
envenom does the dmg plus you get a chance at poison bomb
lone junco
Clearly someone didn't play bets or ptr.
sly moon
you're talking numbers on ptr
numbers mean nothing right now
any mythic raiders here
cuz I feel like im talking to noobs
vapid moth
Ironic
civic palm
Just let him go.
low shadow
sly moon
burst aoe is better in most scenarios
sly moon
lol
vapid moth
So how much do you get paid for Feelycraft.
civic palm
Think this guy is a Russian Bot.
To be fair...
he did not flex Mythic Progress.
only that us idiots are not worth his time.
civic palm
Does MoP matter?
supple hearth
To say you hate it and then explain why is fine thats your OPINION - but to say its not good and then not want to look at facts LOL
low shadow
M 
P
arctic isle
this isn't trolling
vapid moth
"I played 3 xpac ago. Heres why what I have to say about modern abilities is correct"
sly moon
wow some fucking tempest fan boys in here. It's not good
civic palm
uhhuh
sly moon
it's not
civic palm
Some dinosaur talking about the good old days.
vocal dock
Lul
supple hearth
boy
civic palm
That weren't even good.
supple hearth
π
civic palm
O _O
sly moon
with my raiding experience you really think I'd be wrong
vocal dock
guys gouge isnβt good. It sucked in vanilla I swear
sly moon
you pick what talent you want. but when mobs die after 1 tick of your bullshit tempest you can cry me a river
vocal dock
get out the paddles
civic palm
Yeah and when the mobs die not inside the 2 second duration of the shit damage PBOMB does...
O _O
vocal dock
Gonna be a lot of boats in this river
civic palm
BUT MUH POISON BOMB
lone junco
Tempest is pretty good in any condition of 4+
civic palm
It's right there though O _O
exotic glen
"when mobs die after 1 tick of your bullshit tempest you can cry me a river"
vapid moth
Aw
supple hearth
@vapid moth I'll end u
exotic glen
what kind of argument is that even
vapid moth
Didn't even last a second
exotic glen
the most idiotic thing i have heard
civic palm
Especially considering the broken damage it does on hit, let alone the DoT > _>
sly moon
lol tempest shit bleed takes 10+ mobs that stay up for full duration to be worth and you're here defending it
supple hearth
@fallen magnet proofs?
civic palm
Troll.
sly moon
ptr
fleet whale
Tempest as of now is pretty good... way better than what it was in MoP or WoD
sly moon
broooooooooo
fleet whale
and yes, I know how bad it was back then I've mained sin since mop
sly moon
you really think tempest is gonna be this hard hitting ability.....
supple hearth
Not at all
fleet whale
it's pretty good right now I've tested it man lol
sly moon
lmao
sly moon
its so good on ptor tho mate
civic palm
Proof required.
supple hearth
^
sly moon
look up mop numbers
warped spire
lol
near nacelle
i think he plays in a private mop server :/
fleet whale
So because an ability was crap in MoP, it means it's going to be bad in BfA?
supple hearth
Ability is going to be bad
uses MOP as reference for future
warped spire
genius
sly moon
It's teh same thing
sly moon
their not good make it hit hard
arctic isle
it has the same name
supple hearth
They're*
vapid moth
The same thing except instead of using 15 abilities we now use 5
fleet whale
well, for one CT in BFA has a direct damage component, it did not in mop
exotic glen
the dude feelycrafting is calling everyone noobs
fleet whale
Also, bleeds scale with mastery in bfa, a pretty big change in favor of CT
exotic glen
i cant even make a joke out of this
arctic isle
i linked that ages ago
supple hearth
yes ty
arctic isle
but you all still reply yo him
supple hearth
all credit to u
exotic glen
just fucking ignore him, hes a bit slow it seems
supple hearth
?? I didn't even mythic raid this tier Im a PVPer and I have more kills than you
sly moon
fucking retard over here
civic palm
WHELP
civic palm
"Triggered har har har"
~ Chop
supple hearth
No hes going to get banned im pretty sure based on his PMs. you can DM him tho
civic palm
exotic glen
no fucking way im gonna dm folks with insults LOL
also i killed him in december
idiot
vapid moth
Lol imagine being childish enough to dm insults to people
civic palm
steep obsidian
the hell was that
fleet whale
Just some troll/clown who thought CT was going to be bad in BFA cause it was bad in MoP
supple hearth
His feelcraft was so strong he was willing to be banned for it
fleet whale
and then gets proceeded to get roasted when his logs got linked
steep obsidian
"i trialed with a crap guild and was so bad they only got me in for 1 night"
is an interesting hill to die on
civic palm
E X P O S E D
steep obsidian
to brag about your prog
fleet whale
Speaking of feelscraft⦠I'm probably going to run with Blindside tomorrow, regardless of how it seems, cause why not
vapid moth
It can't be a bad choice
exotic glen
its looking decent so no reason not to
fleet whale
well, that makes it better
civic palm
Blindside is strong ST.
fleet whale
It doesn't work with Ravenholdt ring though... going to have to try to get that fixed
exotic glen
they havent changed anything specific regarding blindside, its only been nerfs or buffs across the board in this tuning patch
so the question is most likely what spec is best
not if blindside will perform if you play assa
fleet whale
there are some other weird bugs on beta/ptr⦠like as sub there are some moments where I can't generate cps at all
idk what causes it
exotic glen
sounds weird
willow tartan
Hello guys actually just playing back to wow after some month breack and i decide to play back my rogue for BFA ! Is the assassination spe will be competitive ?
willow tartan
ho i didnt saw it ! thanks
exotic glen
aight np, tell us if you got additional questions man
low shadow
hazy iron
That's hillarious, but
supple hearth
he's gone
sinful citrus
It's insane how much easier mage towers are with the maxed artifact just completed my assassination rogue challenge at 877 ilvl
dull cargo
Sin rogue is really all about just focusing on positioning and the mechanics. It felt like one of the more rewarding/least bullshit RNG protection reliant.
Also grats on your ghost blades.
queen epoch
so, are we stacking haste now?
supple hearth
π€
civic palm
Wait for whenever Raidbots has the correct APL, run and SIM, and see how much DMG it does.
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
shy orbit
why cloak tho
onyx siren
Cloak stacks with new talent.
cosmic pier
stacking talents
shy orbit
cuz of talent stacking?
sudden brook
what a fucking meme
echo cargo
Cloak makes sense, but insignia b/c of low crit?
cosmic pier
bc flat damage i assume
sudden brook
well do we know what the best stats for assa are going to be?
shy orbit
guy u high bro?
onyx siren
Think haste pulled ahead of all, no?
sudden brook
im on that gas bro
shy orbit
dam
shy orbit
but i dont have any haste
echo cargo
insignia isnt flat damage tho, its still %
sudden brook
fehk
echo cargo
this game sucks
shy orbit
i got like 3% haste now
sudden brook
just wanted to know what i need to enchant my insignia with LOL
civic palm
onyx siren
maybe sim fucked up and has insignia buffing FoK when it shouldnt? /shrug
shy orbit
maybe
sudden brook
ts the best for sub too
strange python
Lul just read up on that ct feelcraft wtf was happening when I was asleep xD
civic palm
Looks like there are a few people are 4300.
and without cloak we're at 4200.
So even our cheese ain't given us much THIS TIME.
onyx siren
so FoK every 40 seconds or we just gonna straight up toss mut out the window again
sudden brook
if we are only FOKing we dont get any bonus so
shy orbit
for st 40 sec
civic palm
IIRC the idea was to use them once we're at stack so they line up with Vendetta.
Arcane is lookin STRONK.
MARKS thou
pffffffft
sudden brook
LMFAO
civic palm
sudden brook
WHAT CLASS IS THAT FOR
sudden brook
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
civic palm
Even ST Boomkin is higher.
civic palm
No idea.
sudden brook
1 ability
shy orbit
cuz poison is pulling 200 more
shy orbit
same problem ma dud
i got some outlaw stuff i need to digg
i think it got lots of haste
civic palm
lol
shy orbit
but elaborate planning pulls more than blindslide is kinda sad
civic palm
I mean for now.
shy orbit
and not using master assassin
shy orbit
foreal?
civic palm
50% crit @ 3 seconds is butt man.
You're not getting shit out of that other than ONE ENV and like 3 bleed ticks.
shy orbit
aw maan
civic palm
So, remember that it's only 50% and your crit is going to be dookie.
sudden brook
its duration is awful and being 50% is real bad
civic palm
Well, your crit might be dookie.
civic palm
Yep.
shy orbit
at least garrot is nice with the new cd
civic palm
Quite nice.
shy orbit
tier 20 set style was cool
steep citrus
is the action priority list that hero damage uses available?
shrewd pine
Apl is in #tc-research
strange python
why is insignia suddenly simming so high?
civic palm
Not sudden. Has been simming well since artifact empowerment, was fine before then even.
civic palm
Hey we're like 4.2k without the memeCloak.
shrewd night
Fucking memecloak
steep citrus
so the cloak and the new talent stack? is that the meme?
steep citrus
so that's what i'm hearing about fok one shot leveling. odds they hotfix that?
sudden brook
0
cosmic pier
embrace the meme brothers
steep citrus
i guess it goes away when legendaries die, 116?
atomic jay
so does the api use FoK on full stacks or when?
civic palm
UNFUN
APL should use stacks in a way that makes sure we have max stacks for Vendetta windows.
"should"
steep citrus
it uses it when the talent gets maxed
19+
i was just looking at it.. i think. the assassination research apl on github
shrewd night
Where is that meme again
Cant find the fok de police meme in pins
who has removed our memes 
sudden brook
civic palm
smoky bluff
the madness
shrewd night
Its 500 deeps over the others soooouuuuh
shrewd night
Probably not
ripe nimbus
Wut
shrewd night
Foking too often to make use of the meme
bronze kelp
sure, but as posion bomb is now way weaker, we need another aoe
sudden brook
ct
shrewd night
^
shrewd night
hello, this is ct calling
solid nova
New poison bomb is shit, thats why.
ripe nimbus
I think this guy missed the memo about CT
ripe nimbus
God damn is it better then PB?
shrewd night
HELLO THIS IS CT CALLING
shrewd night
Stop feelycrafting
solid nova
If i dont feel the damage, it means its less though
warm parcel
Ct should be fine
bronze kelp
feelcraft best and most reliable source on beta/pre-patch times
civic palm
MMOc, your No.1 source for Feels.
solid nova
Just proc pb on more targets wtf
atomic jay
anyone have any idea what will the new stat weight look lik\e
civic palm
agi/haste/crit, vers and mastery down here.
I think.
Crit is going to be worth more due to the loss of shoulders.
and the tiny amount we have.
mastery scaling got hit hard due to bleeds being on it now so it can't be too good.
solid nova
Weak
fiery sage
Hmm will sin be as good as outlaw atm? π
shrewd night
Why dont you head over to basic questions and look at the sims
bronze kelp
youll get your statweights today when raidbots is updated
shrewd night
solid nova
π
fiery sage
rip sin
open reef
guys with new prepatch build using cloak + fok talent - go vanish-> fok ?
shrewd night
why, we aint wearing shoulders
solid nova
π€
bronze kelp
150% crit > all
solid nova
No you dont lol
civic palm
There are close builds for it, but SUB working as well if not better means w/e.
bronze kelp
love to lay down my mantle π
i dont play on live for 2 months
only testing on beta
only logged in for weekly +15
open reef
whats with mantle ?
shrewd night
open reef
okx
bronze kelp
sorry for that
shrewd night
I cant tell if youre memeing or if you are just saying dumb shit Fraggles
solid nova
BiS is fucking redundant, as has been for ages.
shrewd night
Not really.
quiet ginkgo
what would be the go to talents for pre-patch?
open reef
yea
vocal wave
Assassin on the beta plays like shit to me, it feels super slow and very dull. It's come as a surprise that it's been simming high at all, it felt bad. But that's just my feeling. Is there a anything in particular that makes it super good? Or is it just tuning of its dps?
Wait sorry, this should be on bfa discussion
supple hearth
so play outlaw/sub
vocal wave
Fair enough, since I haven't played rogue much in legion I don't know how it plays, it just feels much slower than the other speccs so it felt like the play style seemed somewhat unfinished
shrewd night
'if you dont like it, dont play it'
which can be said about a lot of shit tbh
vocal wave
Now that I know the cpm is designed to be slower, maybe I can look at it from a new light
sudden brook
yuh
solid nova
I mean, unless you're pushing for some kind of rankings
Play the one you like most
They're close sim wise
It barely matters at this point
If low APM doesnt suit you, you wont enjoy Sim famalam
rich lynx
Yes and no. If your're serious about wanting to push Mythic progression/high level M+, you arguably want to play whatever is the best performing spec for your class instead of what's "most fun".
shrewd night
best performing is such a meme thing to say anyways. Things can be best because of a ton of things, not purely because of numbers
formal sandal
πΈ
daring orbit
I lost like twice and decided Skovalds daughter deserved to win.
Iβm not patient
civic palm
,<
daring orbit
Plus I like the bony look I got from killing that guy in the underbelly
gleaming kelp
π
civic palm
O _O
lament dove
are herodamage's sims for single target...? cloak with hidden blades talent?
deep beacon
That's one lego I have yet to get lol π
shrewd shell
So with fok build, it's better to stack to 20? And use mutilate until we reach it?
solid nova
/what are you trying to do
hasty idol
I donβt find sims pre bfa
hasty idol
Ty!
smoky fable
FoK build? o_0 It's about overlapping talent and cloak?
shrewd pine
ya
smoky fable
And it is better even in single target, huh?
tawdry pine
will simc profiles be updated after the patch?
solid nova
Most likely yes
placid egret
zealous dew
deep beacon
They nerfing it ?
civic hinge
Is this still a thing?
deep beacon
Just timed an EOA with like 1 second left was hilarious π
strange python
boots / insi deals 20 dps less then cloak insi
vestal wren
Guides:
Bfa Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Stats:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
General Information:
Weapon Enchants: Use your first and second highest weighted stats for weapon enchantments. You have diminished returns if you double up on one, so only do this if that one stat is much better than the rest.
BfA Lvling Suggestions:
Legendary choice -: Mantle + Sephuz/Crafted boots
Talents: 2210031 or 2230031
deep beacon
Nice thanks Fuu
So you might need a full new set of gear for ST encounters versus aoe stuff in m+ wow lol so much work haha
strange python
prepared 3 .. 6292 back/insi 6279 boots/insi ;p and boots bracer on 61xx
cursive geyser
back + insi are better then insi+shoulders for raiding?
strange python
shoulders completly garbage
cursive geyser
k
strange python
my optinion
lament dove
"completely garbage" - there are a few percent differences
vestal wren
well one question i cant answer right away is if HB + back will be used in m+
lament dove
and btw, what is the ilevel of the T20/19 pieces in these simulations?
strange python
240
vestal wren
i assume it will given how big the multiplier is but CT is very strong too
queen epoch
have you guys checked the new icy-veins guide? is it anywhere near accurate?
vestal wren
i proove read it yesterday, but i found many things still in legion, so i wrote it down for gray
not sure if he changed it, neverless my mini-guide should be suefficient for now
(channel topic + pins have it)
queen epoch
are the talents correct?
Level 15: Blindside Icon Blindside
Level 30: Subterfuge Icon Subterfuge
Level 45: Vigor Icon Vigor
Level 60: Cheat Death Icon Cheat Death
Level 75: Iron Wire Icon Iron Wire
Level 90: Venom Rush Icon Venom Rush
Level 100: Poison Bomb Icon Poison Bomb
sorry about the formatting lol
shrewd pine
is that the icy veins?
queen epoch
yes
shrewd pine
no.
lament dove
yes
shrewd pine
Talent choices
Single Target:
2210022 - pre patch
queen epoch
but the whole guide is still lacking a lot
gleaming geyser
Blindside + Venom Rush synergy LUL
lone junco
Bleed dies today.
shrewd pine
π¦
vestal wren
talents for bfa/pre patch are in the guide
lone junco
Not really. I'll play Ep Ct in m+ for bfa.
vestal wren
Single Target
3210021
2210022 - pre patch
Multi Target:
2210023 - standard aoe
2230023 - with resets
But live is dead.
gleaming geyser
What if exsang applied to all CT targets Poggers
lone junco
Meh.
If exsang ripped all ruptures that would be better.
Ct is really short and has a hit component.
gleaming geyser
Feel like that would break the game
lone junco
So
gleaming geyser
Tru
lone junco
I like spamming CT into trash.
Eventually they will nerf the hit into the ground and it will die.
The 45sec cycle from live with 7/7+ boots was really smooth.
deep beacon
how much time till servers go down in US ?
strange python
are there any trinket sims for the prepatch? anyone knows how a chrono shard fares now for assass?
shrewd pine
wait for raidbots to be updated
and then sim it
I dont think we have trinket sims
gleaming geyser
Even then, argoos trinket and dogs/eoc most likely still prevail
strange python
ye, figured as much , but seein haste as mainstat atm and having a 985 chrono in the banks makes me peepee tingle a lil bit..just wondering
shrewd pine
chrono is garbage even for classes that liked haste on live
unless they fuck up scaling or procs on it with prepatch
it will remain garbage
gleaming geyser
Yea... The PPM was garbage
strange python
the ppm wont be changed now, there is no chance
onyx crane
so... legacy is being a good trinket now?
vestal wren
maybe
onyx crane
i mean wil it outperform fang?
vestal wren
^
onyx crane
HMMM
strange python
fang sims rly bad
woven bane
is insignia cloake legit after prepatch? or will it change ?
strange python
my 940 angerboda with socked sims significant higher
strange python
but on beta it looked that fang scaled in shit
on beta ive an 129critrating proc
w8
woven bane
did they change the cloak buff or is it still the FoK stacks? or am i missing smth
main blaze
The talent
strange python
its like sub
main blaze
It's like having double cloak
strange python
u have to ramp up the dmg
vestal wren
i added a note to the pin to make it obviouse why back is strong in st
main blaze
Good idea fuu
deep beacon
One hour till servers down in US ?
ornate gazelle
Yo @vestal wren in the single target opener section of your pastebin guide itβs showing β...β after mutes and garrote. Iβm on mobile so maybe itβs bugging for me? Am I missing something?
woven bane
so you just stack cloak ant the talent for a massive FoK?
deep beacon
can you put a small change log in that thing in case you make some updates if I can't see it I apologize ;0
vestal wren
Garrote-Mutilate-Mutilate-Vendetta-Toxic Blade-...-Vanish-garrote with ~6 sec remaining on garrote
hoary copper
Poop I should buy insignia since we can buy targeted leggos today
vestal wren
there is a bit of a time between TB and vanish so ... just means that Vanish-garrote is later
you just continue with the rotation as usual between
ornate gazelle
Oh I figured rupture would have been in there and envenom
deep beacon
took me a sec to realize that in the talent choice section those numbers are for each level selection ;0 Feels dumb now
vestal wren
yes i assumed the formating was knowen as its used in simc/raidbots for quite a while now
@ornate gazelle yes you use mut and rupture/evi between TB and vanish
you just use vanish when there are ~6 sec left on garrote so you can vanish-refresh it
deep beacon
env?
vestal wren
envenom
ornate gazelle
Yeah I figured, I was just confused by the formatting a bit, my bad
strange python
i fucked up trinket numbers 960 fang buffs 124 crit rating 965 eoc 9 per stack and 940 angerboda buffs 113rating :x
vestal wren
i can change it if its confusing
ocean stump
Man double back feels like pad city here
ornate gazelle
Donβt change it just for me bud haha
cold badge
hidden satyr neck now?
ornate gazelle
About how many fok fit into a ST fight? I forget how long it takes to build up
ocean stump
Y but i can just c it saving 30 a few sec on garothi to hit 2 targets
grim jay
@vestal wren when do we use tb after prepatch?
grim jay
:^)
vestal wren
grim jay
I love the prepatch madness. last xpac it was fun aswell
strange python
there is no madness ;p
ornate gazelle
While easy to use, this cloak stuff is madness lol
strange python
worked 3 builds out with an avg of 6200 dps (255ilvl)
vestal wren
its not as bad as the poison kives rotation
grim jay
cloak on st would be the incarnation of madness. but I rather meant the stuff that will go down here
π
ocean stump
Tbh i want some madness in prepatch
grim jay
I wonder if it will turn out like in hfc with the changes or if people end up struggling bcs the damage will be lower
frigid sleet
how did shoulders lost so much value that you use cloak + ring instead of cloak + shoulders for ST ?
ocean stump
Its same as kjbw somegow sqush made it so strong
ornate gazelle
May have already been asked, but are there trinket sims floating around anywhere?
hoary copper
Eh its like relearning crap today
ornate gazelle
More like unlearning!
serene elbow
question about HB + cloak, only 1 fok at ma stacks, rest normal ?
grim jay
atleast you dont need to relearn how to play
hoary copper
Its more the rotation, you know your muscles get in a groove
grim jay
I dont feel like it feels overly different tbh
serene elbow
or perma fok like PK trait meta ?
serene elbow
wonder casuegrayhounds guide is a bit different
vestal wren
EP is now bis on aoe
Subterfuge bis in t2
i looked over grays guide, so there shouldnt be a big diffrent soonβ’ if he updates it
ornate gazelle
@vestal wren In opener, Rupture is applied for the first time after Vendetta and TB, correct?
weak skiff
Yeah I was wondering why gray's guides were completely different than sims listed here
vestal wren
grays guide on IV was yesterday still a copy/paste from legion mainly
hoary copper
Leading a horse to water and all that
serene elbow
he still has mantle in it while herodmg suggests this HB + cloak shinanigans
vestal wren
again, i read it and he will soon update it iirc
and yes sry for the pastepin instead of a shiny website
solid nova
Paste bin better then no bin
ornate gazelle
@vestal wren Iβd say the ST opener section for your quick hastebin guide is confusing. Doesnβt mention when to rupture
weak skiff
quick and concise info; it's good
ornate gazelle
But it could just be me
serene elbow
shoulkd have kept haste gear arround xD
hoary copper
Cmon fuu! Get on that shiny site! π
steep mulch
Anyone else going to kinda miss their Artifact lol
deep beacon
Is leeching poisoin decent for those that have played... i notice that you put a 0 there if its kind of not related to dps or rotation
serene elbow
cant use item restoration casue we switched to horde a couple of weeks ago, feelsbadman
weak skiff
have to break my muscle memory of using the artifact ability
deep beacon
i wonder if that would be good in pvp over theothers now
ornate gazelle
Iβll miss evasion after shadowstep, or no falling damage sub. Little unique things about each weapon and spec
serene elbow
i have like 0 haste, except on lego bracer & shoulder xD
grim jay
@weak skiff just bind a generator on that key aswell as long as you are still learning to not use it π
tall pelican
fck i dunno what to main rogue or unholy dk
ornate gazelle
All good fuu! No mention of first non-rupture finisher either but I assume thatβs in the β...β
Probably depends how specific you want to be
grim jay
comes down to A) how much you want to be viable and B) what do you want to be good at @tall pelican
steep mulch
I played a DH most of this past expansion but prior to that i played rogue starting in cata
weak skiff
if it makes you feel better Snipp, I switched from being a DK main since wrath to rogue for this xpac so my vote is obviously rogue
steep mulch
feels good to be back with the boys
vestal wren
@ornate gazelle fixed, thanks
ornate gazelle
Np
grim jay
@shrewd night env at 3.5cp?
deep beacon
i will play all 3 specs but i just like the concept of assassin the most
woven bane
is dispatch rly that bad?
supple mesa
So wait when opening on multi target with subterfuge after popping vanish do you garrot all targets possible or just primary target?
drifting cloud
without shoulders you wanna garrote more than 1 target yes
frosty linden
Ok so just looked at herodamage for the prepatch and it says cloak is trumping mantle??
Can someone explain for me please hahaha
ornate gazelle
In pins, but cloak is best because it stacks with Hidden Blades. Weβre basically getting double cloaks.
ornate gazelle
Yeah, you could always use Cloak on one target with stacks. Itβs just really good now because thereβs a talent too.
frosty linden
Oh shit that's mad, what's the appropriate method for the cloak stacks? As in how many stacks should you save of it until you use fok
strange python
I find it interesting that cloak and ring are considered best now instead of cloak shoulders
ornate gazelle
Use at max stacks
frigid sleet
I wonder if reseting the stacks at some point to line it up with vendetta could prove more efficient than just using at max stack
hardy bluff
Does the talent/cloak also stack with the pvp talent now that warmode is coming
ornate gazelle
You still wait until max stacks
grim jay
so people really are interested in warmode π€
ornate gazelle
For ST
hardy bluff
Oh just for the memes
next ingot
warmode for rogues is really fun
grim jay
dunno, not interested in trivial stuff that is not challenging. thats why I really hate the fact that people with lv 115 seem to be stronger than 120's till a certain point
I mean hey, you got stuff from last addon and didnt even invest half the time in leveling. gratz
π
deep beacon
Hope they update macro toolkit zomg
lean hill
Leveling is as easy as clicking a few buttons, then boom 110
main blaze
Don't worry about then. No reason to worry about low level damage
deep beacon
I wonder if a lot of addons will stilll work if not updated
grim jay
timeconsuming stuff is actually the hardest thing as time has a high value.
loud hearth
Question tier 90 talent. Venom rush or toxic blade ?
hardy bluff
for ...now? or for pre patch
daring cave
@grim jay is that prepatch
solid nova
Minimal BfA Assasination guide by fuu
Talent choices
Single Target:
3210021
2210022 - pre patch
Multi Target:
2210023 - standard aoe
2230023 - with resets
Look up, big link
strange python
Toxic blade.. honestly the new Vrush is lackluster
grim jay
prepatch @daring cave
woven bane
since when is subterfuge better than nightstalker?
hardy bluff
the feels when i had like 9 targets bleeding with crimson tempest on beta and had zero energy with vrush
frigid sleet
since mastery affect bleeds I guess ?
vestal wren
subterfuge was better for entire bfa beta iirc
strange python
But you'd still want nightstalker for the stealth rupture bonus
grim jay
still some hours left here @lean hill :Β°) π
lean hill
I'm at work, it's dead to me
fiery sage
so we gonna use garrote when vanish now i guess π
solid nova
Yes
woven bane
so you gonna Vanish > Garrote > Rupture?
solid nova
Read link above
grim jay
what you do after the garrote is pretty much up to the prio
strange python
I could see that for a bleed build. Get 4cp vansih.. garrotte rupture
rugged wren
I always ran with Subterfuge in beta I love it.. made a mouseover macro with it and just AoE Garrote 3 targets in that window when doing dungs and stuff
strange python
so we only spamming Blindsight with Proc and below 30% target health?
rugged wren
no otherway to use that skill Goraxus
woven bane
so the Vanish envenom with nightstalker is worse than a garrote with sub
rugged wren
yes sniffy and yess EGii
unless your about to cap energy
then I do Muti and Blindside
grim jay
isnt it more like we dont use blindsight at all bcs its inferior? π€
rugged wren
BS is very strong imo
hardy bluff
But what does the math say
woven bane
but isnt elaborate or MP better than BS
grim jay
the math says you dont use it
strange python
MP and BS seemed comparable but BS is more interactive and livens up the rotation
grim jay
elab is the best
rugged wren
for AoE/heavy cleave ye
main blaze
You'll probably take blindside on M Argus just for last phase
woven bane
i think ill still go with MP over lab since its just a few dps
rugged wren
I'm using BS just to spice my rotation a little xD
strange python
Also have to take into consideration.. what's "best" in prepatch legion raids won't be what's best at 120.