i likely play rogue in bfa, i don't know what spec outlaw is not terrible, sin remains boring and sub is okay but less engaging then legion
#assassination
vestal wren
fast nacelle
idk i liked all specs in legion
they basically stay same (beside sub which has minor changes)
so i still like them
just not as much
shrewd pine
dont leave us, sub plebs Fuu 
lone junco
Same.
fast nacelle
1 monk 1 warrior 1 hunter
lone junco
1 rogue means. Weps are going to suck.
fast nacelle
but all can easily main rogue aswell if needed
lone junco
Both dk and warrior are playing. 2hr. So no swords.
vestal wren
sub looks atm good number wise
lone junco
I like the week where mosh mark was a thing in tomb.
fast nacelle
it just feels weird not having dfa
you miss some aoe (which isnt rly major since most dmg came from dfa evis)
but still
at least they buffed shuriken combo
vestal wren
bracers nerf ๐ฆ in tos
lone junco
Uptime on nb is just rupture.
vestal wren
you wont ๐คท
vernal adder
so ass is ass in bfa atm?
vestal wren
the only spec you might go mfd is sin
fast nacelle
yes. play arcane
vernal adder
aight
lone junco
I'll prob have a frost mage on the back burner. But rogue looks fine by me.
vestal wren
outlaw maybe with enough resets but vigor outclasses mfd usually
vernal adder
but thats sub
vestal wren
the new aoe finisher is the dfa replacement ๐ฆ
fast nacelle
nah
lone junco
Float a whiff on helya
fast nacelle
eoa wasnt big deal
helya sometimes
and dht drake
made me rage so many times
eoa was easy avoidable
vestal wren
dfa was so great because it allowed you to emphasize on diffrent parts of the spell depening on the situation
fast nacelle
yes
lone junco
Pulling the other floors in lower Kara after opera.
vestal wren
the animation log was not good
lone junco
Wontmiss.
vernal adder
speed run ability noobe
lone junco
I did have 3x gutrippers tho.
lone junco
Fattest of evisc crits.
fast nacelle
it did amazing 5% of my dmg
vestal wren
its not great on st
fast nacelle
yeah
vestal wren
its good on 2+ targets
vestal wren
i mean i kind of like that PB is a meme for aoe
fast nacelle
i didnt even read what it does
lone junco
I'd love for some prepatch shenannagains tho.
Gonna miss the Mut crit tho.
Ptr work was really limp.
lone junco
40crit is very wimpy.
fast nacelle
as some excuse for the lacking of class design
vestal wren
sin was always the simple spec
fast nacelle
idk... legion was rly good the themes
fleet whale
Class design is going to be a big part of the expansion after bfa, I'm calling it
fast nacelle
outlaw was about 2-3 decicions per second to escalate (back when TB fishing was king)
sub post rework was about knowing bossfights and preparing for the burst
sin was lame but you has some sort of buff tracking and optimizing
vernal adder
remove abilities and bring them back after 2-4years
lone junco
If Orange grind had currency from the beginning, legion would have been a lot better as a whole.
fleet whale
people are missing legion already lol
vestal wren
legion with all legos aviable from start would be great
lone junco
I hope we get shiv for that 5man enrage removal.
fast nacelle
we didnt need any legos
we had artifact
which was new and innovative
make the legos glyphes
vestal wren
but they doubled down on that and even now you need quite some tme to get those
fleet whale
maybe that will be an 8.1 addition
vernal adder
Noobe dont get your hopes up
vernal adder
same
vestal wren
the 2nd bad decision they made was nether crus.
fast nacelle
yes
vernal adder
fuck the crucible
lone junco
Sephuz prydaz was horrible
fast nacelle
and they just use it again but flip it
vernal adder
jesus fuck
vestal wren
i think it was not so bad overall but i still cant figure out the reasoning behind it
lone junco
At least the new azerite isn't destroyed.
fleet whale
Glyphs have always been in a weird spt
lone junco
But the ilvl changes will be a mother fucker.
fleet whale
like they are cool, but it makes you wonder why some of those things weren't baseline
lone junco
Choose +10 ilvl or good traits.
fast nacelle
imagine legion where you can pick 1 major glyph (dps legendary) and 1 minor one
without bullshit rng
equal stuff for everyone
vernal adder
makes too much sense
fleet whale
Though tbf the legendary thing wasn't so bad when BS came out, or in Argus
fast nacelle
idk
vestal wren
bf will be content wise similar to legion i assume
lone junco
Once you had them all.
vernal adder
Have they said anything about legendaries in bfa?
lone junco
Azerite will make people angry.
fast nacelle
so we have mdi after raid tiers
fleet whale
There won't be any legion like leggos
vestal wren
so lfr, worldquets, m+, raids, pvp + newisland expeditions + warfronts
fast nacelle
cant make ppl more anrgy than legendaries
lone junco
One will be like 6% per trait. Rest like 1-4%
fleet whale
but there still might be some leggos in BFA, more traditional ones I guess
lone junco
So people will tank ilvl for 3/3
vernal adder
I hope its like vanilla leggos
fast nacelle
id love to see them bringing one more row in the azerite armor
like after +5 ilvl
a second dps trait
and way more active spell traits
not these passive bullshit stuff
your pistol shot does more dmg
well thanks
nice trait
i hope the dev makes enough bank
fleet whale
some traits are ok
lone junco
Btw. A buffed ps is doing more than a RT
fast nacelle
after this mental achievement of crativity
vernal adder
your pistol shot has a chance to fire twice
fast nacelle
240 traits
17 change your playstyle
thats the number
currently
you can say some are ok
fleet whale
I like the one that gives a crap ton of haste with AR, even if it's passive
fast nacelle
but the system sucks
i mean not the system
but the traits
just watch preach vid
dk has not a single trait
lone junco
At least they don't destroy
lone junco
Relics were trash.
vernal adder
yes
lone junco
I don't care about play style. I want top dps.
vernal adder
play dk
lone junco
11111111
fast nacelle
if you just want top dps
everyone can whitehit
and they balance your white hit
if that makes you happy
you are a very simple man
๐
lone junco
Happy isn't that important.
fleet whale
Strangely preach said that brigand blitz doesn't change playstyle but I don't necessarily agree. That trait gives you so much haste that your fingers will hurt because of how fast you are pressing buttons
lone junco
Just looking for smooth replicable numbers. And high utility qol like cloak and cheat death.
fleet whale
assassin has the most boring of the rogue traits imo
lone junco
TBH. The only thing I hate about sin is vendetta.
vernal adder
should be a buff
lone junco
Can't hard swap to a short duration add.
fast nacelle
im just like
okay would be great if pure dps classes like rogue will have 1 top 3-4 spec every tier
but overall im fine with some less dmg but a good designed spec
fast nacelle
sub was a blast in tomb
assa with t21 was also not that lame.. still lame but you didnt rely on AP.. could switch targets... poisons did dmg
it was fine
OL after LD introduction in NH farm
was also a blast
3 decicions per second
if you had AR and TB
awesome
thats what im looking for
vernal adder
so right now if you are planning to play rogue in bfa, is outlaw the best choice atm?
fleet whale
I loved sin in t21 even with PB rung
fast nacelle
i dont want 20 apm but #1
lone junco
I loved 2p4p sin.
lone junco
I'll take 20apm and #1 single.
fast nacelle
without pb shit
lone junco
Ye.
lone junco
But. I sacrifice aoe and add swap. Just want boss dmg
vernal adder
she got a enrage timer?
fast nacelle
i wish they would just have looked into the classes. when specs were most popular/enjoyable
and play around it
fleet whale
i don't need high apm for a spec to be fun i just need good flow and for things to come together well
fast nacelle
rather than doing literly nothing
and saying "bro it ll come 8.1 sry time pressure"
i love blizzard
lone junco
Outlaw or CT sin for my m+ lols will be fine.
But for raid. I want to be a ST drill.
Everyone peels but me. And i cloak ye mechanics.
marble hemlock
while true @fleet whale i feel its kinda dumb to have a class with a baseline gcd of 1sec instead of the 1.5sec other classes have, and were the ones sitting at some of the lowest apm out of all specs
lone junco
I'll need a trigger sound for blade flurry or vendetta. That gcd fucked me up.
fast nacelle
it happend couple of times to me already
fleet whale
they could do that but i like how Sin plays right now in Leigon with the high crit... Has pretty good flow. Right now in BFA i don't really feel that flow for sin
fast nacelle
gcd is rly weird
marble hemlock
assa right now feels nice, definitely
fast nacelle
we are pmuch spoiled as assa right now
cause of t21
lol
its a mix which ll make us upset
vernal adder
I still dont understand the gcd change, why
fleet whale
gcd in vendetta was easy to get used to for me cause it was on the gcd before Legion ๐
marble hemlock
but thats mostly thanks to t21 4pc and venom rush giving us a lot more energy to work with
fast nacelle
artifact traits
high secondary stats
t21 synergy
even if you remove t21 now and nerf secondary stats a bit
ppl would rage that assa sucks ass again
๐
now how will it be with way less secondary stats and no t21 and no traits
fleet whale
i liked it in ToS as well
marble hemlock
remember when we made fun of the +1 energy buff on our t21 4pc
fast nacelle
you never can compare end of an expansion with begining
fast nacelle
but this will just make it worse
yea
even now
when you are not lucky with crits
you can feel
how little energy you get
sometimes
fleet whale
I hated sin in 7.0/NH though with AP... but it did get much better for me as time went on so maybe bfa will be the same
marble hemlock
you instantly get like 2-4sec of no VP/Envenom
fast nacelle
cause you dont get any energy
marble hemlock
if you get a 2cp mut
fleet whale
i still don't get why venomous wounds is only 7 energy per bleed tick in BFA... in like the first few beta builds it was 12 energy per tick
i would take lower damage just for vm to give that much energy
vernal adder
blizz btw
fast nacelle
haste
fleet whale
we will never get that much haste for it to feel good
fast nacelle
no but maybe it ll be just fine
maybe they started way too high
idk it ll be a balance clown fiesta anyway
it was in legion and it ll be in bfa
thats fine
fast nacelle
i just think its bad to need 7 months - 1 year
to make classes rly good
it was the same in legion
vernal adder
why not 1-2weeks
fleet whale
well, 8.1 will probably be out a couple of months after bfa
fast nacelle
now for every spec but for many (some cause of legendaries)
vernal adder
small indie company
fleet whale
we will see what that does
fast nacelle
this whole 8.1 thing
wont change much
remember when DH's were promised rework
they changed 10 things
then reverted everything
that ll be 8.1
marble hemlock
im just waiting for them to announce their changes to m+
and seasonal rewards etc.
fast nacelle
its easier to tune numbers
marble hemlock
and if it looks to be giga-shit
fast nacelle
than work on classes
fleet whale
Well assassin doesn't really need a revamp like sub got in 7.2.5 it just needs tweaks
marble hemlock
id rather buy heroes in hots with my bnet balance than BfA
undone hill
marble hemlock
yeah
monster hunter coming out on the 9th, phantom doctrine on the 14th, and new poe league on 31st
if bfa sucks
ill have other stuff to keep me busy ๐
vestal wren
what is phantom doctrine
ripe nimbus
omegalul still playing poe in 2018
fast nacelle
i never played poe
i feel like theres enough to discover.. seems like a decent game
to spend some hours
marble hemlock
can certainly spend a fair amount of time with poe
youre either gonna hate it, or love it
ripe nimbus
whatisbestbuild(dot)com oh okay. copy paste.
wise frigate
There's always a new build to try. Which is why I'm currently farming 2 Oni Garoshi's for the shits and giggles.
vernal adder
marble hemlock
if prepatch is boring ill probably go and finish the 36 challenges :<
wise frigate
Yeah I'm stuck at 29 for right now.
marble hemlock
watching the community races is more fun than playing myself :<
strange python
perandus was the best league. change my mind
lone junco
We will miss the Mut crit trait buffs a lot.
marble hemlock
yup
ill miss
evasion after shadowstep
by far the best trait we had
tank lost aggro? np, just step and he has 2sec to taunt
every 3rd boss you could dodge a boss ability by utilizing the mini-evasion
marble hemlock
yes?
lone junco
That's pretty funny. I never ever. Ever. Stepped for evasion
marble hemlock
LUL
for example
demon boss in arcway
wicekd slam? just step
never take damage from it
2nd boss coen, does his aoe where you have to run away? not as a rogue, just step and dodge ๐
lone junco
Hov dog boss. Evasion one dash. Step evasikbhe other.
lone junco
Rip the thing I didnt know.
marble hemlock
ye :/
could soak charges on 3rd boss BRH
or spears on 1st boss EoA
if the adds died too quickly
lone junco
TBH. I was outlaw until guarm. The. Just leveled my sin wep at once.
Guess I only had a boner for the dps traits.
marble hemlock
ye
dps traits are obviously going to be missed
but i always felt like the utility traits are better
esp we assa rogues are gonna struggle, having 2min cloak CD now
instead of 1m17sec
lone junco
Is what I get for being medium skill at all 3 spec. My brain got full.
marble hemlock
no more 24% mitigation on crimson vial
falldamage immunity gone
2min vanish for sub now too
etc.
lone junco
Vial and cloak CD-R will be missed.
marble hemlock
i guess combat didnt really have non-dps traits
vestal wren
vanish has lower impact for sub now
outlaw just dont care about stealth/vanish at all
marble hemlock
ill have some trouble to do double muti again if i get 3CP from the first one
so used to using fok at 3cp
:X
lone junco
Watched the glass eye basketball room get pulled all at once. Was outlaw 120. He hit 80k dps with a blade flurry and some deeps. I hope CT spam will dumpster the unlimited mob condition s.
Esp in high lag. Dots are pretty nice.
And mark CT. Meta
vestal wren
ct meta
scenic grove
what are the best legendaries for leveling gonna be ?
vestal wren
knowing the quests > best lego setup
lone junco
Shoulder/ cloak. Is my guess. .
I do like the idea of cloak/belt for that full heal on every big fok stack.
marble hemlock
craftboots for the movespeed ๐ค
tranquil birch
whisp won't work
just like how you couldn't use them without the flying achiev in legion i assume
lone junco
LOLOL @marble hemlock cloak stacks
marble hemlock
hm?
lone junco
on ptr with EP and NS and Cloak and HB
marble hemlock
ye
lone junco
hit for 60k
marble hemlock
yup
as i said
theyre seperate
more% multipliers
likes
its not 1050%+400%+50%
its multiplicative
which makes it ridiculous
vestal wren
pre-patch fun^^
marble hemlock
atleast 2 of them are, anyway
can stack another 30% on top of it with belt, but 100% crit is probably worth more
lone junco
thems the silly numbers
vestal wren
nice
lone junco
sounds good. we shall speak of this no more.
lone junco
ill be drinking the drinks toinght. got a buddy coming into town.
have a baby sitter.
lone junco
@marble hemlock they did nerf it with flying daggers. with pvp toggle
I was killing rats then toggled pvp and it cut the dmg
marble hemlock
mh okay
makes sense
otherwise youd be oneshotting players
is that ptr or beta?
marble hemlock
lone junco
in st
fast nacelle
marble hemlock
marble hemlock
just spent 2mins on making that pic :<
too bad hidden blades and fok have the same icon
wise frigate
lone junco
this is a sewer elite
wise frigate
Don't worry I still had this.
marble hemlock
yep, seems weird
marble hemlock
that the #1 garothi log
lone junco
marble hemlock
with 61% concordance uptime?
lone junco
i believe the 61% conc. I had 71% on a dummy
it was easily 9 in a row.
no stack non crit fok is 400 dmg
silly numbers.
marble hemlock
yeah, its ridiculous
keep in mind
most mobs in dungeons have like
100k health
so that one fok
is basically
50-70% of their health
marble hemlock
basically
youre gonna fok
then muti
and let the rest of the grp finish
oh and
be close to tank
so you get into combat
and spam detection
until you proc concordance with detection
then you open
๐
marble hemlock
nah
its a skillbook
can buy it from the classhall vendor
lets you spam detect traps
and it can proc concordance when you use it in combat
lone junco
ive seen people do it, but never bothered
marble hemlock
only real use is on 2nd boss vault
can remove the debuff without incurring a cd on an important ability
marble hemlock
as assa you can just mutilate
since it has 2 hits
you dont get a cooldown either ๐
lone junco
Are any if the affixes going away?
fiery nest
Crimson Tempest: Initial damage decreased by 11.1% and damage over time decreased by 9.1%.
whole canyon
Hey guys, one question.
For M+ do I still need to stack mastery like crazy, or should I go with more crit?
I got some ilvl upgrades for neck/rings that would give me more crit and less mastery.
lone junco
For live sin m+. It's typ shoulder bracer with as much mastery as you can muster.
whole canyon
If I put all my highest ilvl I have 41.17 crit and 149.06 mastery.
lone junco
It's a start.
whole canyon
I could go with ~190 mastery but only like 26% crit also.
whole canyon
So mastery is king after all.
lone junco
Just remember to focus on mut env mut env mut env. During open.
Raid and m+ are very different.
M+ relys on bombs. And FOK
Poisons.
But don't just use a mastery stat trinket and ditch your good ones.
whole canyon
Oh yea.. well I have shoulders, so I open garotte, mut, rupture, then mut -> envenom vanish etc
lone junco
I would sim with raidbots. 4target 20sec patchwerk.
No.
In trash. Stealth. Mut env mut env mut env.
whole canyon
Not even garotte?
strange python
๐ค
lone junco
You are fishing for pbomb in the shoulder.
strange python
why mut when you can fok
whole canyon
Well it can happen from rupture or envenom the same way, so should it matter?
On trash that is.
lone junco
You could. Need enough targets
The env will crit. The rupture won't
Rupture ticks after 2sec
Env at 7-8M. Vs one tick of rupture.
FOK env FOK env is fine with 4+ targets too.
whole canyon
Oh yea.. especially I run cloak too.
Got belt and +vigor ring but they are not so good I think.
lone junco
Shoulder bracer is normally best.
whole canyon
Yea, well... will get bracer next week.
lone junco
Next week with prepatch you'll use cloak for sure.
lone junco
After they nerf the cloak Then yes.
whole canyon
On some vid on yt I saw it doing more dmg than rng poison bomb.
strange python
yea ct does a lot of dmg. but remember it returns no energy,
whole canyon
Thanks though, downloaded simcraft, gonna se this 4 target 20s thing.
But poison bomb neither, and it's rng.
vestal wren
poison bomb does low damage in bfa
exotic glen
Holy fuck i hadnt thought of using cinidaria before i saw your meme @marble hemlock
On that fok meme shit
vestal wren
i think thats a good change hence you dont depent on a super rng talnet to peform
whole canyon
Did just nelth and oops poison bomb bolstered big dude 5 times ๐
marble hemlock
๐
whole canyon
Oh yea, I mean it's similar, not exactly this.
Sry ;D
yeaa 40 crit 150 mastery is like 600k lower dps on 4 boss 20 seconds.
so mastery it is.
Should I also use Pawn string generated by SimulationCraft? Will it be accurate after I sim?
dense blaze
Why can't I see the raid damage graph on any log
exotic glen
try linking the logs
dense blaze
I am talking about the graph you see when you click the damage done tab
It looks like this for every log I open
No graph
strange python
works for me
dense blaze
Great, I am trying to figure out what I did
Oh it's probably this button that says show graph
proven hound
142% mastery is this overkill
dense blaze
That is a small amount of mastery
lost horizon
you have way too much haste
proven hound
i swap between outlaw and assda so i balance them
lost horizon
won't matter on tuesday but meh
proven hound
not much i can do about haste considering reforging isnt a thing lol so gg on pointing out something i cant change
dense blaze
Your comment comes off as aggressive
marble hemlock
maybe hes just an ass, so gg pointing something out that he cant change ๐ค
and no hobba, 142% mastery is not overkill. not that its gonna matter much except for a few more days, but tgenerally you aim to get >200% mastery
solid nova
You can't balance 2 specs with completely different stat weights within the same set of gear
Without one being severely gimped
Which shows in your sin stats
dense blaze
Give the man a break he thought he was being smart
lost horizon
@proven hound sorry boss, if i'm only allowed to talk about your mastery that you pointed out then no, not overkill, underkill if anything (as others have already mentioned)
but since there's no reforging you can't change that right? gg on asking a question about something you can't change ๐ค
strange python
waaah waaah waaaaaaaaah
whole canyon
Guys I simmed myself and Simcraft says "Mastery > Vers > Agi > Crit > Haste"
so if pawn says lower ilvl is better for me, should I use it then? 
civic palm
AGI is weighted in there as well, so if the numbers end up higher, then they are higher.
vapid moth
It all doesn't matter in 3 days doe
whole canyon
Oh yea.
Well, should I really enable stat scaling like Ravenholdt guide says so? It really takes a long time to make a single sim when enabling that ๐ฎ
civic palm
Just use raidbots and let it do the work.
Scaling is going to get you your Stat Weights, so if you are not interested in those you can turn that off.
But to get your Stat Weights that option must be turned on.
whole canyon
Okay, thanks. Just saw there's stat weigh on raidbots too, gonna use that.
3m wait is nothing compared to simcraft app..
civic palm
๐
There are some options in the SIMC app. to allow it to use more of your system to run those sims.
Though they might be turned on and up by default.
Dunno.
whole canyon
Only threads and process priority.. which doesn't seem to change much.
civic palm
Sure
whole canyon
Holy damn, it has even 'find top combination from your bags', that's SO good.
fervent beacon
Still tuning to be done
marble magnet
literally never played assassination is the mage tower hard
civic palm
no
marble magnet
Im honestly gonna run out of nethershards
warped spire
Are runes all your having trouble with?
supple hearth
you can get more by opening caches in broken shore
you get like ~100 each chest
if u run out go grab one or two and try again
warped spire
Have you got dbm challenges enabled or a god queens fury weak aura?
marble magnet
got dbm
sudden brook
have u read a guide on it?
warped spire
Just keep dots up on all 3 and there should be a dbm warning for runes if there isnt "challenges" might not be enabled in the addon menu on the character screen
Pay more attention to the mechanics than dps
marble magnet
run around circle?
strange python
spears shouldn't go off in the main circle
Yeah run around where the runes would be
either you'll hit them or you don't get damaged
marble magnet
is it always 3 or is there sometimes 2
warped spire
Pretty sure its always 3 if your seeing 2 the small one has probably already gone off
hollow barn
If you canโt see them because your graphic settings arenโt on correctly, make sure you turn on projected textures
marble magnet
what do i do at mechanic intersection
hollow barn
Try watching a YouTube video guide
They go over it in those and you can see what they are doing
civic palm
Yep. There's time to just walk on them normally but you need to know they are coming and not be in a bad place when they do.
strange python
does toxic blade no longer buff poison bomb in pre patch?
civic palm
It should IIRC.
strange python
you re right
civic palm
States that it is Nature Damage.
But there still might be a bug but I do not think that to be the case.
strange python
thank you
civic palm
๐
marble magnet
I learned why I was doing so badly. I had no traits from netherlight crucible at all and i was wearing crucible right
ring
civic palm
Naaahhhh
That stuff is doable @ 910 by pretty much anyone willing to put the time in.
marble magnet
is sub harder
civic palm
mmm, if you're like 950+ it should be easy once you know the phases.
You can DPS through a lot of the cycling phases.
and skip phases^
hollow barn
If say sub is more challenging than Sin
But thatโs just due to the nature of the encounter. On the Sin fight half the mechanics turn off half way through
Something to note, when you get to P2 you can change gear and talents if you need to to better suit the second half on Sub challenge
steep obsidian
I found the ss cloak and shoulders were good for p1 and p3 back in tos and even then I completely burst through and skipped p2
I sorta wish you could go back and do them again just for the hell of it
quick ice
I'd like to do the sin one again. bet its very different in current gear to when it came out
drifting cosmos
it was like 894 something when i first heard sin did the tower
when other classes were like 904+
icy iris
@dense blaze poison bomb luck ๐
dense blaze
I didn't notice ๐ค
icy iris
EZ
dense blaze
Disgusting class
icy iris
pls buff poison bomb % blizz Keepo
ripe nimbus
Not being told to go into Pod as sin rogue in 2018
oh its normal.
bish why u linkin normal parse logs lol
dense blaze
Regardless of difficulty 25% PB damage is notable
I'd shit my pants if I got this on mythic
icy iris
its pretty disgusting if u get multiprocs in aoe
assa rogue probably potential to be top 3 aoe specs with pb procks
icy iris
at 02:30? lmao
dense blaze
Yes
ripe nimbus
what i wanna know is how adds lived more then .0002 seconds on normal difficulty to even get PB ticks.
icy iris
higher dps than burst ๐
steep obsidian
well thats when you use yer 2nd vanish?
so makes sense if you get pb and concord is up
dense blaze
Correct
steep obsidian
ive seen some top logs the last week or so that had shit pb damage
dense blaze
And the group was just a few guildies and some randoms, they wouldn't exist if the guild ran normal for whatever reason
steep obsidian
but insane concord uptime
icy iris
@dense blaze how much dps was peek ?
dense blaze
18.6m
icy iris
๐
steep obsidian
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DQHR21knMzpVGBPq#fight=3&type=auras&source=13 61% on that guy normal is like 25.... lucky is like 35
61% is stupid
icy iris
classic
primal tangle
Wasting energy on crimson vial Kappa
dense blaze
Not crimson vialing on opener to proc concord ๐ค
steep obsidian
yeah its a dps loss to crimsson vial while you run across the bridge obv
should just stand there energy capped and tank all that damage
cuz healers get bored
/s
primal tangle
Thats when you shuriken toss for cp ๐
autumn bloom
... from across the bridge?
steep obsidian
it actually adps increase to fok nothing if you gonna energy cap and are wearing boots
during downtime
dunno why feint doesnt count for the cdr though its dumb
quick ice
probably because we'd do it
dense blaze
quick ice
that is the biggest spike I have ever seen
fast nacelle
skill
little fiber
Is 2,4m dps low for 972 ilvl? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jHMoJ5uD1re1Zg6GdFN6bk
fast nacelle
seems fine
solid nova
Would have thougt by 972 you'd know what a good sim is by now ๐คท
little fiber
Considering my sub and outlaw sims only 200k behind with shitty gear for those specs, I was starting to consider that my ass gear was somehow wrong
lone junco
I haven't summed with new artifact.
restive sundial
Hello, anybody could suggest a good guide for BFA assassination ? :)$
strange python
Any guide on pre patch rotation?
calm grail
Same as the current rotation with less buttons.
strange python
Okay thx, how about talent picks
calm grail
Uhhhj
strange python
Single target
strange python
Kk ty alot
calm grail
Again, things will probably change in the next couple weeks.
strange python
Ye ofc, just for now
restive sundial
Yup, thks fellow rogues
strange python
Still gotta raid u know๐
calm grail
I think High command will be significantly more fun with Crimson Tempest.
strange python
main blaze
gritty quarry
So should I be using Toxic Blade on CD or lining it up with Kingsbane?
same with Kingsbane if Toxic is on CD
strange python
Use Toxic Blade on cooldown. There are certain conditions under you can delay your Toxic Blade for a moment. For example if your Kingsbane is up on the target and your Toxic Blade is coming off cooldown during it, you can save it for the last 9 seconds. Another occasion is when Vendetta is coming up, you can hold off to Toxic Blade for up to 10 seconds.
From the guide at the top.
gleaming geyser
Toxic blade on CD. If kingsbane and TB are up at the same time, TB into Kingsbane, if you just used KB and TB is coming up wait until 8.5-9 seconds
What Connor linked
With pre-patch, probably just line up envenom pooling for TB
gritty quarry
ty
gleaming geyser
And having TB up before going vanish vendetta envenoms is dope, especially if you track concordance
half tartan
Do you guys think Shoulders Cloak single target prepatch will be viable?
cloud frigate
so if it isn't just get whatever is viable
lavish frost
void pecan
dire spoke
how is this channel still active
void pecan
Because there are a dedicated few.
marble hemlock
we also have a few sub boys constantly stepping on our lawn
lost dune
Hey guys & gals i just started Wow a week ago and im level 14 Rogue Assasin. Can you tell me the advantages and disadvatages of this Role/class Thanks
icy iris
@lost dune many defensives and high burst
lost dune
@icy iris Thank you - high burst as in alot of damage in short time?
icy iris
Absolutely. You are able to pull out 10m single target burst on dummies if you play correctly.
icy iris
np
exotic glen
@lost dune it is relatively easy to play compared to other classes and their specs (specializations)
but you should look into what it will be like in the next expansion, because the prepatch will be here in 3 days
lost dune
@exotic glen cheers bro!
real hamlet
If hes lvl 14, he shouldnt be looking after that much tbh lol
exotic glen
@lost dune anytime dude. i think it will be easier for you to understand things if you ask more specific questions
if we begin talking about x and y things that arent relevant to you, you will just get confused
real hamlet
@exotic glen U should consider hes only lvl 14, not many "low lvl" changes have been made and can even be seen at that lvl
final wharf
hello! does anyone have knowledge of what the viable beta builds are atm? - a Druid main thinking about switching to rogue in BFA ๐
exotic glen
pins in the #456965066638753802
final wharf
im certainly interested in the playstyles of "poison builds"
exotic glen
channel
well its not reaaaaally poison vs bleed anymore
both things will be used to their full extent in bfa it seems like
final wharf
cool! ill check the pins up! thanks sir ๐
final wharf
i can't find any pin for viable talent builds, only sims for the spec in total.
exotic glen
the talents are the numbers next to where it says advanced sim
strange python
the numbers like "2010022" are the talents for each row
exotic glen
aye
final wharf
got ya! thanks again
exotic glen
well the sim so far says its the strongest
so im gonna go with yes
but from what i remember in earlier sims, its really not by much at all
final wharf
i really like poisons and bleeds doing a lot of dmg! so i would like MP to be stronger. but blindside seems like a cool addition
exotic glen
i think its cool to finally have something to react to
atm you can almost perfectly plan out how to do your rotation except for combo point gains
also they removed some buttons, so getting some back is good i guess
final wharf
true!
exotic glen
you can disagree if you want, its my personal opinion on it
oh wait you hadnt played rogue yet right
probably hard to have much of an opinion then
final wharf
havent really played rogue since early WoD, but it is cool to see a "execute" get in there. i think assa had one back then, think it was "dispatch"
exotic glen
yeah it was
final wharf
but no i dont have so many opinions other than i like passive dmg like dots
but from what i've seen it is still alot of dot dmg, with poisons, garrote.. etc ๐
exotic glen
all i wanted to really say was that there are most likely not going be a "poison vs bleed" build type of thing going on
because our mastery affects both bleeds and poison now
final wharf
i see
exotic glen
a majority of damage will still come from dots yeah, especially rupture
vestal wren
so like on live, without the PB rng
vestal wren
978 nice
wild lily
980 if i put on my speed/avoidance gemless tier
void pecan
Big boi
exotic glen
nice EoC
steep mulch
is the 8.0.1 guide on wowhead pretty accurate?
calm grail
It's accurate in the sense that it is all factual information.
But it doesn't really tell you what to do.
Also, balance changes arent inal yet
Final*
supple hearth
Nobody is going to have a good guide at this point. Not enough information.
calm grail
It's more of a repository of current numbers and changes than telling you what to do.
So it's still semi useful.
steep mulch
true
was just wantingto get an idea of how its going to be i expect some changes since the in house beta version is likely 2-3 versions more than waht we have on beta
calm grail
What mechanically things are pretty similar if not easier.
The play styles are very similar to their current iterations if not reduced a bit. Play whatever you want while leveling changing won't be very inconvenient.
I played assassination almost all of last expansion, looking forward to trying out Outlaw or subtlety, depending on what is speculatively proven to be better over the next few weeks.
Once we have much more data.
autumn bloom
isnt speculatively proven an oxymoron
fleet whale
Dat Eonar parse
exotic glen
where
fleet whale
idk, but that's pretty crazy
exotic glen
maybe, maybe not
it is eonar after all
look at dmg breakdown on enemy targets
almost only fel guards and dogs
small adds only
civic palm
o _o
haughty lily
i have a 945 shadow singed gand and a 945 eye of command, which one do i use
fleet whale
I mean he's clearly cheesing but it's still kind of funny to see an assassin rogue ranked at number 10 lol
void pecan
fleet whale
EoC is better for pure ST
exotic glen
most likely the answer sinestra is EoC on ST, fang on anything else
fleet whale
however fang is a little more versatile
haughty lily
what does st stand for
civic palm
single target
exotic glen
stones
haughty lily
oh okay so i should change it per fight
haughty lily
got it thanks
exotic glen
sims shouldnt tell you something different
void pecan
who are you helpful people. #notmyroguediscord
fiery nest
If you use EoC on a multitarget fight the sim won't reflect the dmg loss from losing stacks
Unless you're simming and comparing different fight styles, but asking which trinket to use in the first place is a fair bet that you aren't
faint sleet
Can anyone recommend some good rogue streams
faint sleet
I like watching it all
exotic glen
my go to is yliajo for raids, incarnated for high lvl m+
i dont watch pvp, but i'd think someone like pshero maybe
exotic glen
anytime dude
pyllerรธx is also a pretty insane player for variety content
but he does whatever the fuck he wants, and it usually works for him
but if you want to try out something he does, you should ask here first if its viable
quaint sequoia
so sad that they are removing ML
civic palm
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
onyx falcon
we havent gotten any theorycrafts for the BFA gear/stats yet have we?
exotic glen
not afaik
civic palm
Nopers.
onyx falcon
mk thought so thought id check
civic palm
Tuesday at the latest, probably Monday... I would think.
onyx falcon
more than anything id like to know if theres a haste breakpoint
im guessing like 8-12% if anything
civic palm
1 sec
onyx falcon
๐ฎ is there something somewhere i missed?
onyx falcon
yea havent been on the discord for the last lil bit, no point =/
thx miz
also apparently wEak isnt blue boi anymore o.o
civic palm
O _O"
onyx falcon
look ive missed a lot
onyx falcon
maybe cause he has a picture profile pic
pikachu*
wow i cant type or talk or anything right now
exotic glen
it fits!
smoky lake
so whats best race for horde side looking like atm?
supple hearth
everything is looking niche and about even
blood elf and orc with a slight advantage
steep obsidian
blood elf cuz looking good in a mog increases your dps
supple hearth
will need to wait for sims for pve
gleaming geyser
goblin for rocket jump
vocal dock
yeah where are there racials at already
supple hearth
wont be released until post bfa launch
vocal dock
like open skies and the stat buff is ok, but other then that is basically useless
low key dark iron dwares look pretty sweet for racials but blech dwarf
smoky lake
so orc at the moment? racial aint on the gcd right?
gleaming geyser
yea seriously, at least as far as raiding goes
smoky lake
I see
vocal dock
only real change for PVP is ally, since human racial is pretty garbo now
id prefer shadowmeld if i was going ally
supple hearth
@smoky lake for pvp orc is looking best and then blood elf
smoky lake
ah i was askin bout pve
supple hearth
relent doesnt stack anymore with racial but you just choose trinket now
PVE sims arent out and they have never been gamebreaking good anyways
blood elf still probably best by very very little
you'll have to wait for sims
smoky lake
and sims wont be out till ?
vocal dock
wotf and cannibilze for warmode dude
gleaming geyser
agreed
smoky lake
shrug
supple hearth
utility > aesthetics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dps
vocal dock
yeah man gotta post those full sets in the transmog channel
warm parcel
Could be troll is good, if youre exsang
And as youre all red now, that means exsang ๐
civic palm
Nope. No... noooo.
hybrid quarry
gleaming geyser
bring back green name PepeHands
quick ice
Teal is kinda green
fast nacelle
hm
jovial kite
no
deep beacon
Any thoughts on assassin levelling leggos for the first little bit in BFA? I read somewhere about the FOK chest just haven't had a chance to research it that much
ripe nimbus
Isn't it fok cape
gleaming geyser
yea, FoK cloak + FoK talent + FoK honor talent
ripe nimbus
Still hits like a wet noodle kappa
silk sundial
What is the Stat priority looking like in bfa? I know before it was mastery, crit, vers then haste. I was thinking haste might be better now and worth getting geared towards?
Sorry, wrong channel
open reef
what leggies/talents will you guys go on prepatch in antorus ?
shy orbit
idk if shoulders and that new crit talent stack or something
arctic isle
feral knot
leggos and the new talents will stack i belive atleast they have not said anything about nerfing or deleteing the leggo effects
steep obsidian
Yeh hidden blades stacks with fok cloak
shy orbit
shoulders > talent for pre patch
lone junco
Numbers are fun tho.
Blindside is an attempt at execute. But it doesn't work with bracers.
shy orbit
with the new mastry bracer should be op af
strange python
i wonder if shoulders/bracers will still be bis
wont bosses take longer with the removal of traits?
solid nova
BiS does not exist
shrewd pine
you already have builds that dont use shoulderpads now
solid nova
And hasnt done since WF/TF
shrewd pine
so there is decent chance that they wont be default BiS