ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 1:45 AM

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PBomb becomes alot more better then HB with haste because ur casting more finishers.

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📎 hastestats.jpg

tranquil birch Jul 13, 2018, 1:48 AM

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feelsbadman all my haste gear is haste/verse for outlaw

odd tundra Jul 13, 2018, 1:48 AM

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That's alot more better

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 1:50 AM

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fixed lol

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 1:56 AM

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which APL have you been using for that sim?

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 1:56 AM

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specifically for simming HB talent i would assume seli means

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 1:57 AM

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i mean he didnt link a HB sim at all to give us a comparison, but yeah, the HB APL would be interesting to see

tranquil birch Jul 13, 2018, 2:00 AM

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I would actually be v ok with HB being the go to st talent

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:00 AM

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Hidden blades

📎 Untitled.jpg

tranquil birch Jul 13, 2018, 2:01 AM

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I'd be interested to see the standard deviations for both as well

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:01 AM

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using the experimental assa apl or the regular one?

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 2:01 AM

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we dont wanna see your sim, just the APL will do

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:02 AM

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theres 2 on the github, im just gonna assume hes using that one

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https://github.com/Ravenholdt-TC/Rogue/wiki/Assassination-APL-Research

GitHub

Ravenholdt-TC/Rogue

Rogue - Anything you want to add into the dashboard should be done here.

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:04 AM

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actions.build Builders

count action,conditions

0.00 blindside
F 8.25 fan_of_knives,if=buff.the_dreadlords_deceit.stack>=29|buff.hidden_blades.stack>=19
0.00 mutilate,if=talent.exsanguinate.enabled&(debuff.vendetta.up|combo_points<=2)
Mutilate is worth using over FoK for Exsanguinate builds in some 2T scenarios.
0.00 fan_of_knives,if=spell_targets>1+equipped.insignia_of_ravenholdt
0.00 fan_of_knives,if=combo_points>=3+talent.deeper_stratagem.enabled&artifact.poison_knives.rank>=5|fok_rotation
G 134.46 mutilate,cycle_targets=1,if=dot.deadly_poison_dot.refreshable
0.00 mutilate

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:07 AM

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gotta keep in mind that the APL cannot account for the players ability to pre-emptively use HB in order to force a 30stack fok during vendetta, which is a dps increase over just using it whenever you hit >19 stacks

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:10 AM

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they are close enough that i dont think its going to matter, the more haste u get the more PBomb procs u can get, and thats just Pure ST which how many fights are actually true pure single target. not a whole lot.

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:11 AM

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for any given progress-situation having HB will be preferable on a non-ST fight though, since you can actually time when you pop the stacked fok

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more control > less control, and PB is still a huge random factor

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did you sim with t21 bonus?

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:12 AM

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yah im not trying to argue that PBomb is good its not its pretty garbage but on pure ST patchwerk non movement it probably is slightly better it wont matter which one u pick in that situation anyway.

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ive done it with and without t21

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:13 AM

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shoudl focus on the non-t21 one since thatll give you some pointers to where things are headed for bfa itself

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id assume t21 heavily skews the sims in favor of PB

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:13 AM

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not really its about the same.

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:14 AM

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that seems odd

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since t21 has no bearing whatsoever on HB, while it greatly improves our ability to generate more CP, which would lead to more PBs

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especially with the squished stats, the 35% crit on poisons are quite significant

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:17 AM

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let me redo them

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:18 AM

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i mean, i dont particularly care about the sims, just want to make sure that they are somewhat accurate. not a big fan of misinformation being spread 😉

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:19 AM

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no t21 pbomb

📎 not21pbom.jpg

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:19 AM

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only thing id be interested in is the damage distribution

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:19 AM

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no t21 hiddenblades

📎 not21hb.jpg

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:19 AM

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yeah, for HB it shouldnt mean much

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still seems odd

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that no-t21 has higher APM

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:20 AM

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note, if i use the FOK cape instead of lego boots, non t21 HB sim goes to 5.2k

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:20 AM

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yeah, cause cloak+hb multiplier stack, and are multiplicative

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:20 AM

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t21 had 49.5

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no t21 is 43

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:20 AM

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oh nvm

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looked at the wrong pic

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so yeah

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basically

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5.2k no t21, 5.4k with for HB, whereas the difference for PB is a lot higher

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:21 AM

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you wont be able to use fok cape past 115 tho

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:22 AM

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obviously not, but at that point azerite traits etc. come into play

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and were looking at completely different sims

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 2:23 AM

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tru, it still wont be that much of a difference and ur prob better picking hidden blades 99.8% of the time.

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 2:23 AM

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theres no point in doing lv110 sims with basically mythic-level gear and make assumptions about what those results might mean for lv120 early bfa performance

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but for prepatch that looks about right

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little difference, if at all, a little weighted towards PB for pure singletarget due to us having access to really good gear

split grail Jul 13, 2018, 2:55 AM

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I know it's too early to say, and this question has probably been asked 100 times alreasy. But what's the prefered raiding spec for BFA looking like?

strange python Jul 13, 2018, 2:59 AM

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you answered your own question

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we don't know

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 2:59 AM

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literally impossible to tell, come again later

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SO FAR its sub it looks like, but its very susceptible

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to change

strange python Jul 13, 2018, 3:00 AM

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there are some preliminary sims in #456965066638753802 but they have unoptimized stat weights and no azerite

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which IMO makes them almost worthless

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 3:01 AM

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also no tuning

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 3:05 AM

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We also have like 80% mastery @ 110 in Legion gear yeah?

storm flare Jul 13, 2018, 3:06 AM

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whats wanted mastery for assassination ?

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 3:07 AM

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Infinite.

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 3:07 AM

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until in about a week

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 3:08 AM

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Yarrr

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 3:13 AM

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@ripe nimbus link the sim please

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or the sims rather

split grail Jul 13, 2018, 3:16 AM

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I hear haste is the new sin stat /shrug?

onyx falcon Jul 13, 2018, 3:18 AM

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still prob infinite + next week once we hit whatever the haste breakpoint is gonna be since mastery is even more important now that it also scales bleeds

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 3:19 AM

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i'd wait until actual theorycrafters say anything about it

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 3:21 AM

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and then proofread the shit out of the APL O _O"

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 3:48 AM

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ofc

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I remember back in nh i actually spotted like 5 flaws from assa apl

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that was also my first encounter with weak 😅

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 3:53 AM

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well cant be that bad

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things are mostly staying the same

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 3:54 AM

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yeah i mean the assa apl wasnt optimized for legendaries

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so if you had wrists, the apl would still pop last vanish and pot before 30%

deep beacon Jul 13, 2018, 4:05 AM

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Anyway to pretend your sim "ring" has an enchant on it so you don't put it on it until you know it's worth it ?

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 4:05 AM

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raidbots.com

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Gear compare

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:12 AM

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So you guys have the assa stats now

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 4:13 AM

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why arent you green weak

split grail Jul 13, 2018, 4:13 AM

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I've never used it before, how exactly does exsanguinate work? It doesn't seem to have an effect time so does it only work on the current bleeds you have up? What happens when you refresh them?

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:13 AM

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A few cents.
Yes, pb should be go to st pick
No there still arent magical break points, not even with haste.(exclude exs spaghetti)
Haste breakpoint would be gcd cap which was around 130% last I checked

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What else

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HB does feel lot more useful in raids for the more obvious reasons than pb

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But might aswell run ct cause it destroys any actual aoe when you need it

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 4:15 AM

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@split grail you hasten the bleeds on the target you cast exsanguinate on the moment you cast it. it only works bleeds you already have up. if you refresh something, that dot is no longer exsanguinated

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@warm parcel depends on the adds i suppose

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how long do adds need to live for CT to outperform HB

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:16 AM

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A cast, assuming you want to kill them

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If just feed off, then its worse for you

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Cause you lose fuel

split grail Jul 13, 2018, 4:17 AM

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@exotic glen So I assume you want to use it after refreshing garrote and when you have max cp?

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:18 AM

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All of lvl 100 row just feels out of place.
CT isnt a dot but a spammed spell
PB is irrelevant af
HB just hits like a noodle

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 4:18 AM

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@split grail you garrote and vanish to apply rupture for extra damage since nightstalker snapshots

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the guide should cover this

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:20 AM

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Where I feel HB would be nice is something like mother
Or perhaps the red old god voice line boss that spawns waves of adds

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Cause PB might not even proc
CT shouldnt last long enough to tick fully
So HB

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 4:21 AM

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wouldnt you want HB to stack higher tho or did adds spawn in a nice interval

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felt too fast imo

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but that was really early testing

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Point is the other two are just so bad for the purpose of killing the add

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 4:22 AM

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Yeah

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:22 AM

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If you save 5 cp
Go into rup tb vanish mut env mfd env

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You get max burst on it and a reset

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Just throw a fok in there where ever

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 4:27 AM

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Mind if I montage all that in case someone wants to pin @warm parcel ?

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:27 AM

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Feel free ZULUL

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 4:27 AM

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Good info. is good info.

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:27 AM

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Just caps that there arent break points

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 4:28 AM

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Mmm...

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:28 AM

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Cause people feelings

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When we dig deep into the hole that is exs dpspaghetti and partials we might have somewith worth with haste fiddling

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But noones looked into it afaik

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 4:30 AM

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I love that you added the arrow

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 4:30 AM

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📎 unknown.png

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 4:30 AM

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🤣👍

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@ripe nimbus if you have time, id appreciate it if you linked your earlier sims

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 4:31 AM

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Want more? 😛

📎 unknown.png

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 4:32 AM

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Das it mane

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 4:32 AM

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im using the simc client how would i link them (general question i have no idea how to link a non raidbot sim).

exotic glen Jul 13, 2018, 4:33 AM

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havent used simc in YEARS

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but isnt there a button to upload a log

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sim

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civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 4:34 AM

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export as HTML ye?

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 4:34 AM

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yeah

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simc is basically browser still 😮

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:34 AM

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The profile is on rh gh

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So anyone can use it

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 4:35 AM

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👌

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 4:35 AM

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yah ive just been using the 8.0 pre patch simc release.

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 4:35 AM

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And ye. That profile is a low ilvl 110 iirc

ripe nimbus Jul 13, 2018, 4:35 AM

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u can prob do ur own sims

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but if u want ill re sim and link

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 4:35 AM

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i know i can

nimble tartan Jul 13, 2018, 4:41 AM

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Hello im here for exs spaghetti

civic palm Jul 13, 2018, 4:42 AM

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mmm, excess spaghetti

jovial kite Jul 13, 2018, 4:46 AM

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omr seen the light

atomic grotto Jul 13, 2018, 6:24 AM

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holla hollla

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 6:27 AM

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:preach:

stark heart Jul 13, 2018, 6:42 AM

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His last video is good

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 6:44 AM

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Fell asleep to his soothing voice again blobheart

atomic grotto Jul 13, 2018, 6:46 AM

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time to play outlaw for dem memes

quick ice Jul 13, 2018, 7:13 AM

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weak yellow? 🤔

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 7:43 AM

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I always was

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Since NH

atomic grotto Jul 13, 2018, 7:58 AM

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where is ur blade rush weak

fiery nest Jul 13, 2018, 8:15 AM

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are you coming on to him

quaint sequoia Jul 13, 2018, 8:34 AM

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Is haste going to be good when prepatch hits?

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 8:36 AM

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Better than what it is

quaint sequoia Jul 13, 2018, 8:40 AM

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Then maybe all my haste/mastery 975-985 Gear from weekly Will not be useless

warm parcel Jul 13, 2018, 8:41 AM

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Maybe

still laurel Jul 13, 2018, 10:04 AM

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is there any BFA updates?

solid nova Jul 13, 2018, 10:16 AM

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#456965066638753802

potent bison Jul 13, 2018, 12:22 PM

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Best Race in BFA?

shrewd pine Jul 13, 2018, 12:26 PM

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I always liked the race in Thousand needles. But its floded now :/

solid nova Jul 13, 2018, 12:28 PM

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@potent bison As above

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#456965066638753802

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pins

sick shard Jul 13, 2018, 2:32 PM

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ey yo, can ASS rouges use swords?

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like does it make sense?

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or is it only outlaw

shrewd pine Jul 13, 2018, 2:33 PM

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dunno about rouges

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but rogues cant

sick shard Jul 13, 2018, 2:33 PM

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rogues 😄

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only Outlaw then

shrewd pine Jul 13, 2018, 2:33 PM

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sub can technically use sword OH

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wont be ideal.

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but you can do it.

sick shard Jul 13, 2018, 2:34 PM

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eh

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i love the way rogues play but geeez i hate the way daggers look

shrewd pine Jul 13, 2018, 2:35 PM

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unlucky

sick shard Jul 13, 2018, 2:35 PM

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you got some good dagger mog suggestions

shrewd pine Jul 13, 2018, 2:35 PM

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Me? I can barely put together set that matches.

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#transmog channel is better place to ask that question

vocal dock Jul 13, 2018, 3:49 PM

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do poisons get removed every dungeon i do or is it just me

strange python Jul 13, 2018, 3:50 PM

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I remember they kept getting removed when I entered a timewalking dungeon.

vocal dock Jul 13, 2018, 3:50 PM

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yeah, that seems to be it'

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so annoying

supple hearth Jul 13, 2018, 4:25 PM

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@vocal dock just you

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Mine last for their duration

vocal dock Jul 13, 2018, 4:26 PM

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nah its gotta be a tiemwalking bug

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everytime i zone into a new timewalking random they are removed

wise frigate Jul 13, 2018, 4:27 PM

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Yeah Timewalking likes to remove buffs upon entering.

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 4:34 PM

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probably has something to do with how the downscaling works

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if youd be able to keep your poisons, theyd most likely deal the same damage and not get downscaled

smoky bluff Jul 13, 2018, 4:35 PM

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the other buffs get downscaled

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it should be the same for poisons

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 4:36 PM

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because theyre usually stat-buffs

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those just get a multiplier slapped on, same as all your other stats/items

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id assume that with stuff like poisons its a bit different

smoky bluff Jul 13, 2018, 4:37 PM

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matters not, as a buff themselves they should be downscaled too without the need to reapply them

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 4:37 PM

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should? yes

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coding-wise? its rarely that simple

smoky bluff Jul 13, 2018, 4:37 PM

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it can be done

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 4:37 PM

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so you know the blizzard code?

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you still have to reapply poisons when you get into an arena match

lean hill Jul 13, 2018, 4:38 PM

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If it was easy it would have been done by now

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 4:38 PM

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timewalking is no different

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since similar stat-multipliers/downscaling happens for arena

smoky bluff Jul 13, 2018, 4:39 PM

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it is, but, they consider it "working as intended", so why change it?

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 4:39 PM

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wouldnt say its working as intended, but its certainly a low-priority issue

smoky bluff Jul 13, 2018, 4:40 PM

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thats the point, they should, but doesnt really break anything so, trivial priority

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 4:40 PM

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just be glad poisons dont cost money anymore

smoky bluff Jul 13, 2018, 4:41 PM

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this ^

marble hemlock Jul 13, 2018, 4:41 PM

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was a pain in the ass back in vanilla/tbc when you had to reapply poisons everytime you entered a BG/arena and they actually cost gold to craft :<

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good old "can proc 50times, then you need to reapply" poisons LUL

smoky bluff Jul 13, 2018, 4:43 PM

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HAHA! forgot they even had stacks!

lean hill Jul 13, 2018, 5:16 PM

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I had to carry an entire bag of mats. Finished poisons, mats to make more, blinding powder, vanish powder

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 5:25 PM

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Anyone playing sin should have a APPLY POISONS wa anyway. It's not a big deal unless you forget them.

lean hill Jul 13, 2018, 5:32 PM

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A big floating wa that sits in the middle of your screen

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 6:18 PM

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any thoughts on legendaries during prepatch, will any swap bis positions?

hoary copper Jul 13, 2018, 6:42 PM

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🔮

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:48 PM

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@undone adder my only speculations are that bleed haste will increase value of bracers a bit. Crown dies with Kb. (I'm not sure if artifact skill greys out in prepatch or bfa )

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:48 PM

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it does

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:48 PM

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If traits grey out then boots might get a bump.

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 6:48 PM

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will one shoulder talent kill mantle?

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:49 PM

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it shouldn't

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at all

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:49 PM

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Shitty Pbomb open may kill shoulders.

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:49 PM

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yeah but shoulders allow you to chain envenoms on opener

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:50 PM

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So does high Mut crit.

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:50 PM

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ravenholdt ring is working with blindside btw

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isn't

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:50 PM

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Neat.

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Boo.

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:50 PM

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it's probably a bug but I don't know if blizz will bother to fix it

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 6:51 PM

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not a fan of blindside tbh

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Anyway... does anyone have any idea why blizz thought it was a good idea to bring poison bomb back as a talent?

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 6:51 PM

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nothing better?

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:51 PM

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Kingsbane?

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:51 PM

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I want a poison debuff not a floor spot. But they didn't ask me.

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It's an aoe row.

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 6:51 PM

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but thats a aoe row esentialy

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:52 PM

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not working with blindside atm

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:52 PM

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Blindside plus Bracers have any synergy?

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 6:52 PM

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the ring wording on live.. it makes sense blindside works with it

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:53 PM

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also, blizz really hasn't kept their promise on AoE and ST rows, just look at outlaw's and sub's 100 row

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 6:53 PM

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isnt fan talent bis in ST?

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just pop it on full stacks and more dmg than bomb

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:53 PM

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I'm just bummed to lose BB relics. Dumpstering my Mut crit.

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Making ep that much harder to maintain.

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Blizz should have added a passive 20% crit on mutilate in BFA

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:54 PM

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Sounds great.

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 6:55 PM

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I mean, they made combat potency stronger for outlaw to make up for the one trait that they are losing

strange python Jul 13, 2018, 6:57 PM

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@undone adder legendary cloak might be a thing with hidden blades talent

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:58 PM

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Shoulder + cloak is a thing for leveling.

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Might make m+ fun.

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+talent.

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 6:58 PM

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in beta while in dungeons with cloak leg you litteraly one shot trash with full stacks

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 6:58 PM

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I'm guessing. Bracer insig. Or bracer boot.

strange python Jul 13, 2018, 7:00 PM

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bracers should work with crimson tempest right?

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 7:00 PM

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doesnt specify what bleeds, as some abilities do, so it should

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 7:01 PM

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Yeah. And EP.

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Shoulder bracer might be nice for NS CT cleaves. In m+

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But since you can't change gear in m+. I think that's going to be an interesting choice.

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 7:02 PM

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does that come in prepatch?

strange python Jul 13, 2018, 7:03 PM

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does what come in prepatch

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 7:03 PM

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changing gear

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or im an idiot

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and you never could

strange python Jul 13, 2018, 7:03 PM

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hmmm idk

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yeah you can change gear in m+ on live.

fleet whale Jul 13, 2018, 7:03 PM

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I would think that would come in pre-patch but tbh as Sin I haven't swapped gear around in ages even for M+

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 7:04 PM

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ye thats why i wasnt sure ^^

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 7:05 PM

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I believe it will be prepatch. Haven't run a ptr m+. But confirmed on beta no swap.

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And prepatch is all the mechanics like personal loot in raids.

dire hatch Jul 13, 2018, 9:23 PM

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I am in need of advice for Beta. so far for talent it look like Master poisoner-nightstalker-mark for death-internal bleeding-venom rish-poison bomb. does it sound like this?

undone adder Jul 13, 2018, 9:23 PM

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dont know about poison bomb

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 9:23 PM

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Ive tried that. I prefer the EP/NS/Mark/Venom/CT

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but will depend on crit values to keep that EP up.

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but that was for 5man specifically

dire hatch Jul 13, 2018, 9:25 PM

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ill try this. I tried Simc beta and it gives Agility=2.32, CritRating=1.93, HasteRating=2.52, MasteryRating=1.61, Versatility=1.67

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does Haste that great

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is haste that great

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 9:27 PM

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if you have 2% then probably

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once you have enough it will probably even out with the others.

dire hatch Jul 13, 2018, 9:28 PM

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so it will kinda be Agility prio then all 4 secondary flat equal?

lone junco Jul 13, 2018, 9:29 PM

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we'll see.

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I wonder what the 2ndary stat threshold for weights are

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it used to be like 2000 stat

dire hatch Jul 13, 2018, 9:30 PM

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i did use the default profile for t21 assassin level 110 on the rating above. haste was 4%

nimble dome Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 AM

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So , amongst us rogue friends, there is a competitive rogue in my guild that never speaks outside of shit-talking me. My assassination brothers, I want to shit on his DPS. With BfA approaching, hammer me with your suggestions. Will Assassination top him? Can I mute this poor, ignorant rogue?

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Lol, thanks for any responses, you guys are awesome.

lost horizon Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 AM

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'top spec' will only be apparent once the tuning is clear

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And even then, for the most part in legion at least a good player on the 'bad spec' will still beat a bad player on the 'good spec' 🤷

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Though they seem to be trying to reduce the skill gap in bfs

safe matrix Jul 14, 2018, 6:50 AM

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depends on the tier aswell

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and scalings

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numbers

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people optimizing rotations

lofty junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:13 AM

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is there some sims or similiar things that figure out what talents and stats/legendarys are the best for prepatch?

lost horizon Jul 14, 2018, 7:31 AM

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You can check out the pins in #456965066638753802

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There are some talent sims there

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 12:18 PM

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🤔 hidden blades might be worth for m+

exotic glen Jul 14, 2018, 12:33 PM

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?? How?

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Feelycraft but CT probably wins most of the time

lost horizon Jul 14, 2018, 12:51 PM

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Maybe if there's enough downtime between packs? Or single mob pulls between larger packs?

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 12:54 PM

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it beats CT in add simulations i did recently (with ~15 sec downtime between adds)

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so unless the adds survive for a very long time you might want to use HB (besides the nerf to CT)

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also HB is stronger in pure ST

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 1:18 PM

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Is PB stronger than HB? For pure ST.

lethal heart Jul 14, 2018, 1:22 PM

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check out sims in bfa discussions

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should be pinned

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or wait

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are you talking about traits right now maybe and i just cant guess abbreviations?

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 1:27 PM

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PB is the strongest ST talent ofc

dire steeple Jul 14, 2018, 1:56 PM

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Is there any pre patch info anywhere?

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 2:00 PM

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i run simulations for bfa in #456965066638753802. 120 is basically the same as 110 with the only difference beeping tier and legendary items

dire steeple Jul 14, 2018, 2:04 PM

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Yeah thats what im trying to find. Some info on legendaries and if there are any changes

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To be made in prepatch

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 2:13 PM

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being able to apply 5CP NS CTs every trashpull is probably gonna make CT pull ahead for m+

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 2:30 PM

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i really hope sin will stay strong in bfa, really dont want to swith

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switch

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 2:30 PM

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I played it since Emerald nightmare, wouldn't mind playing OL.

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 2:33 PM

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looks like sub is takingover at the start

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of the expansion

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 2:34 PM

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That's okay too. I didn't really like subtleties artifact ability or using Death from Above, and it looks like neither will be used.

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I didn't mind the ability itself, I just didn't like being taken out of combat more or less and put in the air.

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 2:35 PM

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same

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 2:35 PM

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I don't like killing spray for the same reason, but apparently it's much quicker now

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Spree*

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 2:35 PM

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but what do you think, in time it will get stronger?

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Everything is speculation right now.

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Pre patch comes at Tuesday, I expect some pretty good numbers to come out with in the next two to three weeks.

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Help to put people at ease.

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 2:37 PM

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you re right

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 2:38 PM

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And without artifacts and Relics and legendaries switching specializations will be easier assuming there is some secondary overlap and you have an appropriate weapon.

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 2:42 PM

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true but i enjoy the sin playstyle

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and like the knives seathing on the backs

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 2:46 PM

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as long as each spec has a niche where its good at, while not being super shit in the other aspects, were probably gonna switch specs around a fair bit to suit our needs

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 2:46 PM

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Assassination will probably always pull ahead of Outlaw and subtlety and sustained cleave of two to three targets.

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So for a raid, you'll probably have some fights that you are good and bad at.

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I just want to find whatever is best for dungeons this expansion.

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I don't really care as much about raiding this time around.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 2:47 PM

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can just switch to combat for the fights where you can get good use out of BF, go sub for pure singletarget, go assa for sustained AoE

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 2:48 PM

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because hopefully whatever is good for dungeons will also have some raid fights with lots of asds that you can do well on too and hopefully don't totally dumpster on the single Target.

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Adds*

void pecan Jul 14, 2018, 2:53 PM

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I hope you boys who are actually playing test and give us some real data so I don't have to actually try different builds.

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Come Tuesday that is

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:15 PM

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well they did aura tuning on ptr didn't they

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that the last thing they normally do

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and its release candidate

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so not much will change on the ptr relase build but who knows in the days and weeks after

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 3:19 PM

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@marble hemlock tbh, I will prob always be sin for ST boss tunnel. as long as the numbers are comparable, its damn near impossible to mess up.

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but I love me some 5man outlaw.

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mark is my bae.

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:20 PM

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mfd is fucking great now that they fixed it so you can mouseover macro with it

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was so annoying when it didnt work

amber arrow Jul 14, 2018, 3:21 PM

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When did it not work?

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:21 PM

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it didnt work at come point in wod

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im not sure when it was fixed

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you could mfd the adds that used to run in on butcher was pretty op

amber arrow Jul 14, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I used mouseover for butcher

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:22 PM

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i used a target specific

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i think

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same macro works now

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 3:22 PM

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mouseover mfd always worked, was just a bit finnicky depending on how you set up the macro

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so it wouldnt mfd your mouseover when it wasnt a valid target due to range, immunity or whatever, and used it on the boss instead

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not being able to mfd explosive orbs sucks tho

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:23 PM

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yeah i wish they were consistent with that stuff same with murder of crows its weird with some mobs you just dont get the reset

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must have just been the way i had my mouseover setup then but the same way works now

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 3:24 PM

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thats mostly because some mobs arent considered dying when they get killed

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:24 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 3:24 PM

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but despawn

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its the same for assa when a mob dies with rupture+poison up, but you dont get the energy refund

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because the mob isnt considered dead

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tentacles on helya, for example

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you dont get garrote cd refresh with thugee, no rupture energy refund either, and mfd doesnt get reset

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:25 PM

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yeah

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 3:25 PM

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but overall it is very consistent, blizzard just isnt consistent with how it handles adds on bossfights sometimes

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:25 PM

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the cannons on garothi too

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some of it is probably intended i guess

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 3:26 PM

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nah

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i dont think anyone gave it a second thought when they designed certain bossfights

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noone went ahead and said "for these reasons the adds on that particular bossfight should not be considered dead, but despawned instead"

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makes no sense

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anyway, i fully expect us to have to play multiple specs for both raiding and m+

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which is a good thing

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:27 PM

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i think so too

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although chaning azurite traits might suck

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 3:28 PM

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its just

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we have 3 dps specs

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but usually we still have to compete with hybrids when it comes to flexibility, because 2 out of 3 specs are just shit

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we should have an edge over hybrids when it comes to adapting to different situations

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:30 PM

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yeah its like cleave is outlaws niche but ok dh and monk did better cleave all expac then any rogue spec

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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and much beter st too generally

drifting cloud Jul 14, 2018, 3:38 PM

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yeah pure dps specs being better is a thing of the past

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unless youre a mage DonkaS

steep obsidian Jul 14, 2018, 3:40 PM

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yeah but what is the point in having a niche if i can just get a friggin hybrid who does my nich better

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hybrid should be have an ok toolkit for everything not be the best at everything

true ingot Jul 14, 2018, 3:43 PM

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Bring back the hybrid tax.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 3:50 PM

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hybrid should have a niche

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and be decent at the rest

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a pure-dps should be straightup better, atleast when spread out over 3 specs, in most of these situations

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but, as you said, we never had good aoe in any spec, except for tomb sub burst aoe

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which would be fine, rogue always had shitty aoe, if we were atleast uncontested on singletarget, but we all know how that went

undone hill Jul 14, 2018, 3:51 PM

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i feel like outlaw did pretty good concerning AoE in early legion

fleet whale Jul 14, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Combat rogues had great aoe in wod

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 3:52 PM

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but by trying to bring every class to the same level, blizz is confronted with having to give hybrids, who only have 1 dps spec, to be able to do everything decently well (unless youre playing a shaman, then you can go fuck yourself), while they usually spread out all those capabilities over the 3specs for a pure dps class

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which seems... odd

true ingot Jul 14, 2018, 4:07 PM

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WIthout ever actually bringing every class to the same level.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 4:09 PM

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because thats a futile task to begin with

latent gazelle Jul 14, 2018, 4:59 PM

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any guides or recommended builds out for pre-patch Tuesday?

void pecan Jul 14, 2018, 5:00 PM

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check pins in #456965066638753802

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other then that, test yourself on tuesdaay

latent gazelle Jul 14, 2018, 5:00 PM

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ah got it ty

undone hill Jul 14, 2018, 5:16 PM

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not seeing any builds in the pins tho pepoHmm

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 5:18 PM

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The numbers in sims are the builds

past solstice Jul 14, 2018, 5:20 PM

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How much Crit /mastery is fine on assa?

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 5:20 PM

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As much as you can get

past solstice Jul 14, 2018, 5:20 PM

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I got till now 31% crit and 153% mastery and 12% versa is it fine till now?

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 5:21 PM

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There are no magic numbers

past solstice Jul 14, 2018, 5:21 PM

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before i buy new enchants and gems for sim i wanted to ask

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 5:21 PM

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what

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Theres a cool sim 101 in pins

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And by following that youll answer 99% of the questions

past solstice Jul 14, 2018, 5:23 PM

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yes i see ty

mild idol Jul 14, 2018, 5:53 PM

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Ay, since mut is needing haste for prepatch and bfa, are they changing the scaling for haste? and by how much

true ingot Jul 14, 2018, 5:58 PM

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It's the fact that our dots now scale off haste.

mild idol Jul 14, 2018, 5:58 PM

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Are they changing the scaling for haste is what im wondering

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for x haste - % haste

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 5:58 PM

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no

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i mean

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technically yes, since theres is going to be a stat-squish

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 5:59 PM

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But thats for all stats

mild idol Jul 14, 2018, 5:59 PM

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im not talking about the stat squish

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 5:59 PM

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Haste is just not shit anymore cause spec actually was given a new wheel to the wheelchair

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:00 PM

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then you may wanna try to phrase what it is you wanna know more clearly, cause right now im assuming that you want to know if the same amount of haste on gear is going to provide the same amount of %haste to your character

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which, obviously, depends on how the stats are going to be squished

mild idol Jul 14, 2018, 6:01 PM

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i did, i asked if they were changing the scaling for haste meaning x amount of haste on gear, translated to percent. "for x haste - % haste"

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:01 PM

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And you were given the answer that no, its cause of dots scale off haste

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:01 PM

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then scaling is not the word you may want to use, since that is usually used in relation to how a class scales with a certain stat

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the answer to that question would be what weak just said

mild idol Jul 14, 2018, 6:01 PM

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ratio?

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:02 PM

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probably a little more accurate, yes

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anyway

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the problem is, that due to the statsquish its impossible to tell with how much haste you will end up after it happens

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could be more than you have right now, could be less

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id just assume that its going to be less

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so if you, right now, 10k haste that is going to be a set amount of %haste

zealous lily Jul 14, 2018, 6:03 PM

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you'll see when the patch happens

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:03 PM

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after the squish you will have, idk, maybe 350haste, which could be more or less %haste

zealous lily Jul 14, 2018, 6:03 PM

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or you can character copy

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and look on betra

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:03 PM

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i dont think anyone on beta has payed much attention to the actual stat-ratios for lv110

dense blaze Jul 14, 2018, 6:03 PM

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Luck or skill?

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https://gyazo.com/f9b5d7540d400bba37c1a49d7a4047c1

Gyazo

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:03 PM

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skill

glad dirge Jul 14, 2018, 6:05 PM

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definitely skill

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:05 PM

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@mild idol due to the extremely low value of stats pre-120 on items, its hard to give an accurate stat-ratio

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:06 PM

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i m still impressed that PB is our ST talent

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considering its the one trait which made every rogue mad

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like they want us to be mad

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:06 PM

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it might overall be better, but since you have 0 control over it, im gonna assume that on a lot of fights you will use hb/ct instead

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:06 PM

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also awesome that wow is the only mmo where you lose skills and spells the longer you play. thats a good 60€ investment

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:07 PM

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so you can actually line those effects up with adds or nuke-phases or whatever

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:07 PM

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also awesome to see that there is no 110 nor 120 talent row

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:07 PM

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bfa is awesome

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:07 PM

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i really like bfa

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im excited and hope blizz will make tons of money

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:07 PM

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i could tell from your enthusiasm 😀

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:07 PM

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and everyone will get rich

solid nova Jul 14, 2018, 6:07 PM

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Up the subscription cost to enable blizzard to implement new changes

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:07 PM

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with how good this game is

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im rly mad that its only 13€ per month

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considering the huge investments they make in class design

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i d pay 20 per month.

solid nova Jul 14, 2018, 6:08 PM

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Oh for sure

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And then some

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:08 PM

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or why not 50

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we paid 50-60 bucks for losing tons of traits talents and legendary effects

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for getting 17/240 active azerite traits and rest passive

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i d say 100€ sub would justify

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the creativiy

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of these humans

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😃

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:09 PM

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@mild idol http://puu.sh/AWl5n/5337a58758.jpg
seems to be about 16.6haste per 1%, now you just need to check out how much haste you actually have with your current gear after the squish to see if your %haste will go up or down

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:09 PM

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next tuesday/wednesday we basically have bfa

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its still so weird to me

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:10 PM

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we can complain and moan, yet here we are, paying the money

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:10 PM

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ofc

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:10 PM

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and no, we wont be having BfA next week

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we have more than BfA

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:10 PM

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but only cause we play it it doesnt mean we shouldnt complain

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:10 PM

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because we have sets and legendaries

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none of which get an adequate replacement with Bfa

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:10 PM

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basically we need to enjoy the pre patch cause it wont get better than it will be

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the further we level the worse it ll get

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legion was just too stacked and good

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:10 PM

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no it wasnt

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:10 PM

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from class design perspective

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too many good things

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:11 PM

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legion is finally playable in a decent capacity, over a year after release

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and the same thing will happen in BfA

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:11 PM

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legion was fine since NH already

glad dirge Jul 14, 2018, 6:11 PM

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Yes it was! It took me 4 months of play to finally get a legendary! I have never felt so much pride and accomplishment in my life!

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:11 PM

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we will get a decent version of BfA somewhere during the 3rd quarter of 2019

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:11 PM

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but yes idk why the game needs to suck at the start of an expansion

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you pay to have pain and continue to play to reduce the pain

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from content to content - basically

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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because it takes 10months of constant complaints on live, in order for them to give in on a few things they didnt bother fixing during 10months of alpha/beta complaints

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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I never had a problem with Legion, I got the shoulders the week they were patched in.

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I don't know why everybody complains about the legendary system.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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yeah

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Yeah

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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yeah

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Who didnt get mantle day one?

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Hello

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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Idiots. God.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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it was my second last legendary

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i still enjoyed it

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:12 PM

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who are the idiots

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whos the god?

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we had 3 people replying

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:13 PM

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People who put the toilet paper rolls on backwards

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:13 PM

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so its tyra, weak and me. 2 of us are idiots, 1 is a god, according to nira

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Weak is god.

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Naa m8

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I got mantle day one

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From a bg

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:13 PM

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Shittttttt

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💦

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:13 PM

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i got my mantle after they nerfed draught of souls

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after that it didnt matter to me

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how late i ll get it

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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Good ol times of 9 sec mantle and dos

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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i mean

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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feelsrainman

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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now you get

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azerite traits

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and pieces

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with bonusroll

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and you cannot trade them

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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thats fantastic

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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so who knows how long itll take you

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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master loot is bad

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we need to support trials

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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to get your mythic azerite helmet with bis traits

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maybe you get it day1

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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bad loot councils surpresesed trials

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for too long

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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maybe you never get it

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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i like how blizz knows

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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isnt this FUN?

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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how to make good changes

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:14 PM

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ARE YOU HAVING FUN YET?

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damn

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:15 PM

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Ghostcrawler should get a promotion.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:15 PM

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this makes me sad that theres no more episodes of party down 😦

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:15 PM

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on a serious note
bfa will be alright after few months but the game will suck more than legion in many ways

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we ll get over it

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as alaways. but the direction

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is getting worse

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:15 PM

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itll suck for the people who can adapt to things getting worse for them

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:15 PM

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I'm just hoping the islands are fun and m+nis better than legion.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:15 PM

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while itll be a better experience for the people who cannot adapt to similar situations

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:15 PM

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dont put your hope in islands

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:15 PM

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so overall, its a move in the right direction for blizzard

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:16 PM

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they suck ass after you ve done some

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you can put your hope into m+

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:16 PM

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I figured.

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I saw them kind of panning out like Mists of Pandaria scenarios.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:16 PM

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just make sure to bind your item sets for m+

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to optimize pulls

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oh wait

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damn it

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:16 PM

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One set bruther

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:16 PM

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i just hope theres going to be an addon that lets me count how many 1-item weeklychests i got out of top10 world m+ runs while some shitter who pays 500k for a +10 carry gets 3 different azerite pieces out of it

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the fact that something like that is possible

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makes me happy

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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dont be mad. its about fun

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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idk

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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why should someone who pays 500k has less fun than you

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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just feels like

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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Waow entitlement muchhhhh

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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its just a game. why u have to be mad

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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my dissatisfaction is less important than someone elses happiness

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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i rly hope people who have not much time for wow

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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which is weird

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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will get more titan forged loot

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to catch up

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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because i pay the same money that guy does

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:17 PM

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these poor souls

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all these nerds playing 15h per day

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dont deserve loot tbh

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they also boost and buy subscriptions for gold

void pecan Jul 14, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Yeah, fuck those mythic content people

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:18 PM

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i rather have real hard working parents

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having max tf loot

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:18 PM

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On a serious note, I don't care what other people get as long as it doesn't affect my ability to play. Now my coraider who plays less than me randomly getting more than me will feel bad.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:18 PM

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who buy their subs for real money

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to support the best company

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in the world

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:18 PM

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Imagine if you got benched because you have less gear.

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XD

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:18 PM

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thats the thing though niralath, the gap between the unfortunate and the fortunate players has just gotten bigger

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and not based on skill, but based on random chance

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:18 PM

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ok but you can catch up with PB luck

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thats why its our ST talent

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(:

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:19 PM

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getting 3 highly sought after pieces out of your first weekly chest will give you a significant boost compared to the guy that only got shitty bracers

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Oh hey your Rogue competition got 2 BiS pieces and you got shit

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Get fukt kiddo

void pecan Jul 14, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Benched.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:19 PM

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can just leave your guild

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and trial for another one

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get PL luck

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and leave and rejoin your old one

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cause, you know, thats a thing now

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😃

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:19 PM

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Wait, I remember the same argument last expansion about legendaries early on

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:19 PM

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if you have a 28 man roster

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:19 PM

#

How did that resolve itself?

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

why have 8ppl sit on the bench

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

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Or did it not.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

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let them "trial" for other guilds

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and join you for mythic release

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

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yes lets make it like in football

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give them to others

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and let them get stronger

#

good idea

#

lf guild

#

fucking no masterloot

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

I wonder if raids will drop more loot baseline now?

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

in legion i got everything

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

not more

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

now i need to praise

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

the same as they currently do if you use PL

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

😡

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

which is like

void pecan Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

bad.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

5-6items per boss, instead of 4

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

An extra piece or two?

#

Ahh. Yeah.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:21 PM

#

then again

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you could get 10 items on any given boss

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or 2

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cause, you know, PL is individual RNG, not grp based

true ingot Jul 14, 2018, 6:21 PM

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After the first few weeks when people's ilvls go up it'll turn into psuedo master loot which will be even more toxic than the "community" construed ML to be.

#

As now you won't just not get the loot.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:21 PM

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i mean

true ingot Jul 14, 2018, 6:21 PM

#

You'll now get it, have it taken from you

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:21 PM

#

thats a given

true ingot Jul 14, 2018, 6:21 PM

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and given to somebody else

#

Which will feel infinitely worse

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:21 PM

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rng is good for games dont mock it

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

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What if you lie and say you can't give it away

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E,

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

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we should have even one more forging

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

#

Z

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

#

any decent guild already told their raiders that they are to be expected to trade any loot that they can trade, even if its an upgrade for them, because it might be a bigger upgrade for someone else still

true ingot Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

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People will see through you pretty quickly doing that unfortunately.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

#

warforged
titanforged
gigaforged

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i ll applay for blizzard

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

#

Mega_forging

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

#

omegaforged

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

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dont steal my ideas

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

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You get a Chris Metzen tattoo and your character gets a mustache.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:22 PM

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dont tell me what to do

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im a rogue, i do whatever i want

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:23 PM

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ok but im rouge

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:23 PM

#

I feel like Rogue should have a baseline passive to steal someone else's personal loot that they could use.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:23 PM

#

yes

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:24 PM

#

Class fantasy.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:24 PM

#

yeah

#

use the grappling hook

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to steal someones loot

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 6:24 PM

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Nah. Just pickpocket the loot they just got.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:24 PM

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once i run the class design team

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:24 PM

#

blind/gouge 2 members of your raid

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:24 PM

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i ll hire you @calm grail

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:24 PM

#

and loot their loot

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:24 PM

#

Don't forget, they're going to cut our DPS by 1/3 for this at least.

#

#utility

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:24 PM

#

lets also add

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massgrip to PB

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60y range

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:25 PM

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let TB proc a bomb 😦

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:25 PM

#

You could have done something cool with that.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:25 PM

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they didnt change PB right

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:25 PM

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Envenom twice within a toxic blade window proccs a poison bomb

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:25 PM

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like adding card of deck rng

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:25 PM

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nah just

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:25 PM

#

its just still pure random

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:26 PM

#

your next envenom after using toxic blade will spawn a poison bomb

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move it to aoe tier instead of PB

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put KB in TBs place for singletarget

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done

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:26 PM

#

tbh

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i like kb but i think its better to remove it

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:26 PM

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its not an interesting cooldown

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:26 PM

#

average rogue human still doesnt know how it works

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also since the removal of AP

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it has not rly much impact

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

like, theres nothing you do specifically while you have KB up

#

you maintain envenom

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

yes

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

well, you do that outside of KB too

#

so....

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

i dont think its bad to remove it

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

idk

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

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same for bota

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

its an uninteresting dps-cd

#

still better than no cd

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

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but then again

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

tbh

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

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based on the talent and azerite traits

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i thought bota

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

like, what does assa have? vendetta, and TB

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

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would be perfect

#

for blizz philosophy

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

TB is nigh useless

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

useless nobrainer passive

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

cause your poisons dont deal damage anymore

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:27 PM

#

TB could be done better

#

if you add some nice thing like PB passive

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

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KB is just more interesting TB

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

#

on demand. also strategical use for it

#

yes

calm grail Jul 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

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TB should have had our antorus set bonuses mixed.in.

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

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Gimme bota proc on Ct. so we just spam CT in 2+

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

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but both are actually lame

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

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Its mentally something different than a dmg%

#

Mechanically there is nothing amazing about either

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

#

yes

undone hill Jul 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

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whats KB again

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:28 PM

#

add PB to tb

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and its cool

void pecan Jul 14, 2018, 6:29 PM

#

Are you really new to rogue legacy?

undone hill Jul 14, 2018, 6:29 PM

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nah my games just not in english

gusty plinth Jul 14, 2018, 6:29 PM

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@undone hill Kingsbane

undone hill Jul 14, 2018, 6:29 PM

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ah thanks

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:29 PM

#

kingsbane - our artefact ability

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i think only outlaw artefact will be missed

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

artefact monkaScan

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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sub and assa were pretty lame

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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So few people use proper version of the words

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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ok sorry me berlin

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artifact?

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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sub artifact with the trait will be missed

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Cause we all know british > US

#

nono

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

3 finishers that dont cost energy

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Im all for armour and all that

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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is pretty big

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

yes

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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Its just rare to see artefact

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

but can be balanced with energy

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

btw weak

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

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its still nothing fancy

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

why does the outlaw color take precedence

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over the website one

#

i miss your blue

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:31 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:31 PM

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its like always

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:31 PM

#

I could just ditch OL for the blue again

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:31 PM

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who do i complain to about that?

warm parcel Jul 14, 2018, 6:31 PM

#

😄

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:31 PM

#

start of an xpansion = combat

#

but i actually think this time

#

combat/outlaw

#

wont be ahead

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:31 PM

#

start of expac combat, sub if we get trinket to play around with shd/sod, assa once we get higher stats on gear

undone hill Jul 14, 2018, 6:32 PM

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gonna play assa anyways i guess

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:32 PM

#

the blade rush talent thingy for outlaw

#

is actually good

#

i think the only good new thing i saw for rogue

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didnt play much of sub though - with the new talents

#

we cant gear swap anymore with the new patch right

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in m+

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:35 PM

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should be with bfa

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not prepatch

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hopefully :x

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 6:38 PM

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It's with prepatch.

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I believe.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 6:40 PM

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😦

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RIP OPie

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you served me well

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 6:56 PM

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did they kill opie with bfa ? or just not up to date now?

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 6:56 PM

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pmuch kill

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 6:57 PM

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was not aware that they restricted that

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 6:59 PM

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Less beed for hot swaps.

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Need

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:04 PM

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addon still works, but theres little reason to use it for quick access

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:06 PM

#

You may still have the combos for defensive/offensive/ cleave in m+

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For the azerite kits.

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Prydaz. Sandstorm. Rupture agi bonus.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:07 PM

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sure, but you can set those up beforehand

#

theres no need to ahve quick access to those gearsets with a hotkey

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Default ui has a limit to gearset lists.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:08 PM

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so does OPie

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you increase the limit with a weakaura, OPie just references the gearsets you created

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:08 PM

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Ah. I thought 💪 bro had 44 sets.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:09 PM

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i have 18 or so i think, the WA im using increases the limit from 10 to 20

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:09 PM

#

TBH I hope we get a PK equip azerite.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:10 PM

#

id prefer something like "every rupture increases the damage of your next CT" or something like that, idk

#

but i dont think theres azerite traits that buff a talent

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only baseline stuff

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:10 PM

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Aside from the rupture buff there's nothing aoe right?

#

And sandstorm is worse than poison bomb. Damn thing is up forever in the wrong spot.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:12 PM

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Azerite Trait: Rupture has a 94.653% Chance to gives you "Bag of Tricks". Your next Poison Knife proccs Poison Bomb 👉 👌

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:13 PM

#

wrong decimal point

#

should be 0.94653%

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:13 PM

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ok 9.4653

empty elbow Jul 14, 2018, 7:14 PM

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Can you imagine 95%

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Lmao

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:15 PM

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95% would be nuts

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thats why i suggest 94.653

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 7:15 PM

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i play bleed again when pre hits

#

i safed my haste gear lul

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:17 PM

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I'll give it a go. I could probably see 50-75% haste depending.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:17 PM

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gonna be interesting to see how things turn out when you finally have enough different azerite pieces to double or triple stack some of them

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:17 PM

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Yeah.

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Early beta 5man. Heal on kill trait was zone wide and critting for 1/3my hps.

#

During a run back it was popping off with group kills.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

neat

#

but i think some of the traits can be quite strong

#

boomy for example can stack the "increased initial damage with sunfire" trait and it deals like twice the damage of a solar wrath/lunar strike with 3/3

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 7:19 PM

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best trait is the mutilate trait for feelcraft

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:19 PM

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So they just spam the aoe.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:20 PM

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maybe

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:20 PM

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hehe i wounder what is best in pre-patch

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:20 PM

#

Anyway. I look forward to some content Even the squish will give me something to do.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:21 PM

#

📎 TH06N7c.png

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:21 PM

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lfg +20 m+, will be fun in the first week

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:21 PM

#

📎 6UBjKCe.png

#

compare those 2 initial damages

#

😃

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 7:21 PM

#

980+gs...oh i have only 255

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:22 PM

#

but assa traits so far are super boring

#

thats an understatement, actually

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:23 PM

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What's the high ilvl 120 agi bonus per rupture? 50?

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:23 PM

#

61

#

the fok one might be interesting

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:23 PM

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Any condition where you are able to have 3+. Id rather spam the CT

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:23 PM

#

well most traits are borring

#

ct is best aoe talent

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:24 PM

#

Sure. I played mark CT and just spammed it on trash death. was high in groups. But outlaw might keep up with that

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:25 PM

#

📎 837a12551b.png

#

stacking that 3 times might be cool

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:25 PM

#

The range gain will be good.

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:25 PM

#

outlw and sub have stronger burst aoe

#

so it depends what spec works best

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:26 PM

#

Sin just doesn't have any white aoe. That benefits from haste.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:26 PM

#

well, looking at higher m+ keys, id assume that sustained aoe becomes a lot better again

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:26 PM

#

dots scale with haste

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:26 PM

#

being able to NS CT on every pull, then set up a few ruptures for energy, and then spam CT until the pack dies

#

should be decent dps

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:27 PM

#

Yeah. That's what I was doing

#

Shoulder bracer I guess.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:27 PM

#

might just turn out that the non-spec specific bonus is better than the spec specific one 😃

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:27 PM

#

There was a long list.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:27 PM

#

with stuff like filthy transfusion

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:27 PM

#

Maybe something will boost Ct as a dot

#

I didn't read them all.

#

Anything boost dot tick rate from haste?

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:28 PM

#

https://azerite.info/class/rogue

#

just check them all out

#

the spec specific ones are fairly boring for rogue

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:30 PM

#

the extended symbols duration might be best for sub

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:30 PM

#

perforate might be pretty good too

#

with 3 of those, you get ~2.5k inc damage on every backstab

#

but youre right, the symbols duration one also increases backstab and ambush damage, even if its a little less

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:33 PM

#

It depends of CT hit procs things like Meticulous Scheming. Or the globule.

#

If the dot ticks can proc. Even better.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:34 PM

#

yeah, some of the random aoe-dmg procs might be nice for the start

#

id assume that eventually those get outscaled by us having higher secondary/primary stats overall

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:34 PM

#

The aoe blasts from globules might be cool.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:34 PM

#

similar to the NLC proc-traits like ttw/sitl

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:34 PM

#

But the stacking hastes are my go to.

#

Crit haste

#

Ep should buff the raw damage bonus traits.

#

Would make them possibly better for sin than outlaw.

#

How they interact with symbol dance tho. Will matter.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:36 PM

#

the rupture one might be cool, idk

#

with stacking agi

#

180agi per rupture

#

might be pretty neat

#

for overall damage

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:36 PM

#

Cant keep 3 ruptures up if you are maintaining ct

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

probably not, no

#

kinda depends on your crit value

#

and the size of the pull

#

the bigger the pull, the more likely youre getting 4+ CP from a single fok

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

Carry 5. Ns Ct. Mark rupture. FOK FOK rupture. FOK fok. Vanish Ct.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:37 PM

#

which means its a lot easier to spam

#

im not 100% convinced that NS is even the best option for m+

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:38 PM

#

Env is just a DP application buff in aoe. Since no pb.

#

Sub. Garrote x3 with iron wire?

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:38 PM

#

ye

#

significantly helps with the energy sustain early on on every pull

#

dont even have to spec iron wire unless you need the long silence

#

at least on smaller packs i can see subt pulling ahead, it was already pretty good during tomb due to the t20 bonus, and its pretty much the same now

#

only reason subt isnt valuable right now is becasue we have shoulders and subt kinda sucks with shoulders on trash, and because we dont have any energy issues on trash due to t21 4pc

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:43 PM

#

i am curiose what ppl will come up on pre patch

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:43 PM

#

cloak+hidden blades will oneshot everything, no? 😄

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:43 PM

#

I hope to see a sephuz exang meme.

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:43 PM

#

maybe ma talent + non shoulter lego combo

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:43 PM

#

Get me to like 80% haste.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:43 PM

#

might be an option for singletarget

#

for aoe we dont really have any valuable legendaries in the first place

#

sephuz might be decent, but its hard to say

#

since we cant proc it as easily as other classes, we either have to garrote early or kidney something

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:44 PM

#

bracers?

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:44 PM

#

Yeah. The 1000trinket is going to be very very high.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:44 PM

#

playing bracers already

#

youre most likely going to replace shoulders with cloak or talentring

#

and go DS instead

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

#

Hi

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

#

Can i get vigor and mark?

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

#

not sure about that

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

#

ye

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

#

yes you can get vigor and mfd

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

#

vigor+mfd might actually be decent

#

hard to say

undone hill Jul 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

#

in prepatch?

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:45 PM

#

with talentring, yep

undone hill Jul 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

how is it relevant whats good in preptach

#

actually

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

because its fun to play around with stuff

#

that wont be available for long

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

3x ruptures and a vanish Ct. into kidney for big dot hastes

vestal wren Jul 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

🤷

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

But I dunno.

strange python Jul 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

Bye

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

since it also provides energy through venomous wounds

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

Not like I have a shortage of gear to play around with.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:46 PM

#

you can pair it with internal bleeding

#

i never kept my hastegear

#

so ill be stuck with mastery+vers

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:47 PM

#

@strange python hi. Bye.

#

I have haste vers gear.

#

From outlaw.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:47 PM

#

you gonna be a sub-boy with bfa @vestal wren ?

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:47 PM

#

Shoulder will carry the open.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:48 PM

#

i mean cloak+ns+HB is pretty much a given

#

and were most likely gonna drop bracers for aoe now

#

so it might very well be talentring+mfd

#

or kiljaedens, since proc/on use trinkets are usually busted during pre-patch

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:49 PM

#

KJ will make up for the crit dump.

#

Shoulder cloak HB. Will that be about as strong as an old sub cloak?

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

shoulders might still be nice for the early sustain on any pack

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

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in b4 NS CT with Belt

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

nah

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

every pack

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

Tyra. I love belt.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

ns HB cloak fok with belt

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

what is hb

#

the cloak buff?

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

yeah

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

Fok stacks.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

the cloak-buff talent

#

they stack. multiplicatively

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

oh

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

Stacks with actual cloak.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:50 PM

#

😃

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

#

so you can have cloak

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and talent

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

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yup

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

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imagine

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

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400% from talent

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

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Ye. And crit talent instead of shoulders.

marble hemlock Jul 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

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1050% from cloak

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50% from nightstalker

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30% from belt

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feels like PoE, stacking more% multis

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

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K.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:51 PM

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cloak + belt
NS + CT

Deadly Poison NS buffed on every target like it used to be

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sadly you cant stack it from pack to pack

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:52 PM

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White from cloak will benefit crit and vers only.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:52 PM

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but should be still funny

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:52 PM

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My gear is ready.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:52 PM

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idk im somehow hyped for pre patch

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but at the same time

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we have like 3-4 weeks

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to figure out shit

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and then bfa

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:52 PM

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It's all good.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:52 PM

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wont add much new

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cause nothing new comes

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Im more worried about how I'm supposed to do raid loot.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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beside some lame traits its so sad

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might just invite ppl with much time in guild

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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Prob going to start using RC loot council

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:53 PM

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so they can play m+ for tfs

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and trade all good gear to me

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Maybe we could sell a few +15 carries for all the boost folk.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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actually... if they dont increase the ilvl

lone junco Jul 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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Is elusive dead now that feint is such a long cd.

fast nacelle Jul 14, 2018, 7:54 PM

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it ll be very upsetting

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to get tf loot from m+

shrewd pine Jul 14, 2018, 7:55 PM

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15 sec, long CD

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omegaLuL

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