Ironically
#assassination
strange python
shrewd pine
aaaw, cutie priests
strange python
Focused Will is a weird split in the priest community
strange python
yeah.
shrewd pine
must have been juicy drama to have community split in half
shrewd pine
wait how many priest communities are out there?
strange python
Jak is H2P yeah.
hoary copper
2 that I know of
strange python
Also, Jak is awesome 
shrewd pine
true ingot
Why did they split?
wheat zealot
Priests = pure toxicity
wise frigate
Focused Will = Disc primarily, H2P is all 3 specs. One of the staff explained the split a while back but I can't remember why.
hoary copper
I dont remember either
wise frigate
It was definitely a disagreement on how the community should be run, just don't remember specifics.
keen inlet
Differences in moderation opinion
Let's just say that
I think it's cute when toxic ppl come in here and slam us for our modding
Because I bet they'd already be banned on Earthshrine, Dreamgrove, and H2P at least
wise frigate
Nobody ever said toxic people are smart.
tired gull
tbh shouldn't assassination rogues be toxic π€
hoary copper
Gosh Don, stop showing your bias
smoky bluff
we are rogues, our 
is superior
autumn bloom
omg priests are so wholesome ;_;
tender folio
Guys is Void Stalkers Contract trink any good for myth+ when its forti and stuff like that π ?
lean hill
For sub
tender folio
What about Assa ?
hoary copper
No
lean hill
On live sin doesnt need those aoe trinkets
hoary copper
tender folio
Hmm
hoary copper
General sims for beastlord, you can see where that one lays
obviously that could change based on your other stuff so sims is always worth it, you can sim for 1 min with like 4 bosses to see
tender folio
Yeah, I have Eye and Fang aswell but still looking something for myth+ that I could use if there`s anything better for it tho
hoary copper
Fang is fine, eye only struggles a little when it comes to target switching
tender folio
Yeah
hoary copper
but its probably still better than using that trash
tender folio
I guess so
hoary copper
You can sim it tho
tender folio
Yeah , just wanted to see if anyone has any exp with that trink
Anyway thanks guys ^_^
lean hill
I have an 980 contract, sadly only useful if I swap to sub
ripe nimbus
Do we have working simc/ a post about stat weights/best leggos/talent a come pre patch yet?
lean hill
Doubt anyone will spend much time on that since it's only useful for under a month
ripe nimbus
Okay well do we have anything for BFA launch warrior discord has all this shit done already :/ lol
tired gull
but muh post progression pre-patch rankz
hoary copper
there are sims in the #456965066638753802 but its not that specific
ripe nimbus
U mean a month and it has nothing to do with ranks it's optimizing ur shit just like u do the entire time u play this game.
civic palm
Optimizing for... what... exactly?
hoary copper
This is what he's referencing Miz for warrior: https://www.patreon.com/posts/19867567
civic palm
I'm not going to read through that.
hoary copper
just scroll down, it has some talent sims
strange python
Lol @ those legion trinket sims.
marble hemlock
im gonna say... rogue players/theorycrafters have a life outside the game, so they dont wanna waste time on doing stuff now. warriors have nothing else going on, so they spend their time simming shit right now already
civic palm
I mean if you want something specific, then ask for that, and not a more comprehensive guide to prePatch.
SELI PLEASE O _O
marble hemlock
what?
hoary copper
The only time Gorshalach's legacy is useful is after prepatch
marble hemlock
gotta live out my rogue-superiority somewhere
ripe nimbus
@hoary copper thanks for the info mostly what i was looking for.
ripe nimbus
Lazy rogues hehe xd
marble hemlock
we let others do the work and then just steal it
hoary copper
I'll prob be warrior/disc priest in bfa so Ive been watching
marble hemlock
TRAITOR
civic palm
I mean, not like some Rogues don't actually do APL work.
marble hemlock
but as far as assa is concerned, youll probably be running the legendary cloak+hidden blades since both multipliers stack
lean hill
Until a few days later when we all are 120 lol
marble hemlock
well, pre-patch is gonna be live for a month
lean hill
Fair enough, seems pointless doing anything in game now though
ripe nimbus
Ur pointless
fringe mist
hey gang how do i put this, so would you best sin is the best spec since its pretty straightforward for both pve/pvp for someone whos uh not the smartest person lol
fringe mist
ty π
echo cargo
Nothing to theorycraft for BFA. Sin looking to be the slowest sloth APM ever recorded xd
void pecan
isn't it always one of the lowest apm classes...? π€
ripe nimbus
Assass is always slow are u new?
shut willow
WTB some more FOKing bugs please
fiery nest
@echo cargo it's slowest APM in the game in legion too π€
strange python
sin's apm in the pinned single target sim is 38
and that was with master assassin
now that it's been updated to blindside/subterfuge
it's probably higher
according to simc it was 39 in legion
(which seems a bit high)
sorry, I should type in sentences
ripe nimbus
I can't read sentences
strange python
Hey there, I am curious how is assassination doing in BFA? Do U like the changes on it? I have played assa only a bit in Legion, although I am thinking about maining assa in BFA
jovial kite
playstyle is slower without traits and kingsbane
autumn bloom
rip KB
safe matrix
AoE is looking good last time I checked
loss of poison bomb rng for actual AoE abilities made the spec a lot more consistent
exotic glen
needs to be consistent AoE tho
any type of burst / add cleave is better left up to other specs
safe matrix
I'm slowly coming around on sub
yeah true AoE sucks nobs, but cleave/ST is still okay
might multi sub/sin or sub/outlaw
marble hemlock
i mean, were gonna move away from this fairly spec-specific behaviour we had throughout legion anyway
thanks to legendaries no longer limiting us to one spec
so we might go back to the old days of switching specs depending on whats best for each boss, which would be nice
safe matrix
although aren't they limiting the switching between specs?
I thought I heard something about that
marble hemlock
not as far as im aware
can switch azerite traits for a gold-fee, but gold isnt really an issue anymore in wow
dark crag
you can't swap in m+
upbeat widget
Best questing/argus rare killing spec for very low geared returnng playeR?
safe matrix
probably assassination
dark crag
assa
safe matrix
easiest spec to get into, and leeching poison is convenient
upbeat widget
Do you like multi dot or smth?
safe matrix
Multidot for energy regen, hope for poison bombs
serene basin
does evasion works on argus blades?
fiery nest
The spinny ones yeah but you gotta be facing the direction they're coming from
strange python
yes but you can't evasion from behind
serene basin
ty for the info
strange python
is there a way to skip the quest line for the max traits if you've already done it?
no
strange python
yo
foggy beacon
anyone have the sin flow chart with the lottery?
silver thistle
Hey boys. Do you know if the black temple shadowstep skip still works?
simple gyro
shrewd night
icy iris
Hi Guys! Which piece do you think suits me best? The neck i have equipped is the 965 vers mastery one. Do you think the other one is better?
shrewd pine
solid nova
In the time taken to add those screen clips together you could have simmed the comparison of the two.
And dont forget to include an enchant on the 960 neck as its missing.
icy iris
I know, but how do i configure simcraft? I didnt have it before
icy iris
@strange python pm
strange python
It's am here tho...
shrewd night
shrewd pine
@icy iris dawg, get simulation craft addon, go into game, type in /simc , copy that whole shit. go to raidbots.com and click on top gear
rest you can figure out
I have faith
icy iris
yea
strange python
I just told him exactly that
icy iris
im getting support
shrewd night
It's almost as if people ain't reading pins
shrewd night
....yeah
shrewd pine
sorry, my braincells have equal APM as this spec 
shrewd night
I saw that
icy iris
sorry for not looking at pinned comments mb
shrewd pine
no worries dawg, happens to the best of us
icy iris
turned out the neck i had in my bank was slightly better than my eq π
icy iris
yup yup
strange python
Those deeps will be pretty small next week
prime void
vernal adder
its gonna be back to 1mill in 3years
strange python
Think it'll actually take that long?
lean hill
I was trying to get used to it with timewalking. But then I realized timewalking is still way higher dps than bfa will be
vernal adder
I dont even look at my numbers on the screen, we got skada,details for that
strange python
lol
lean hill
Mess up my pants
vernal adder
I have them visible but I dont notice them
strange python
Nah, nor do I
I'll be happy to see the smaller numbers come back, crits will be meaningful again.
vernal adder
tbh I dont really care what the numbers are
strange python
giggity
quartz dew
Been trying to get into doing higher keys, does anyone have any tips for dealing with getting sent to the shadowrealm first boss in seat?
seems either I proc poison bomb and it's fine, or take ages and nearly die to the small adds =p
marble hemlock
@quartz dew pull the mobs required to get the energy as quickly as possible, rupture one of them at the start, pop evasion if you have it. once you have the mobs, pop crimson vial, start fokking+envenom, make sure to kill the ruptured mob first so you get the energy refunded as you kill it, have feint up when you kill the mobs.
the surge of energy from killing the mob with rupture up should be enough to sustain energy for the other mobs. you usually have max-mitigation up from vial when they die aswell as feint, and shouldnt really drop that low by doing that
ideally you also have leech from the dk-tank right as someone gets sent down
get 5cp before you use the button so you can insta rupture the boss
do NOT use cloak, as it will prevent you from getting energy as you kill the adds
quartz dew
thanks! I was cloaking and was not killing the ruptured mob first. So that should help a lot!
marble hemlock
when you kill a ruptured mob, you instantly gain the energy it wouldve generated over time with venomous wounds ^^
so yeah, envenom on that one, maybe pop a healthstone or healthpot if youre struggling to survive
even with vial+feint up it does a lot of damage
quartz dew
excellent, now all I have to do is hope my dk friend doesn't pop leech on pull by accident as usual π
marble hemlock
^^
deep beacon
@quartz dew I would get ruptures up on a lot of them even small ones then FOK
and then based on whatever envenom / rupture
solid nova
Or take the advice from rank 1 m+ sin rogue ππ
marble hemlock
more ruptures are only necessary if youre running low on energy. in that case its better to just 3-5cp rupture another one of the adds that are close to dying to get another energy refund. applying multiple ruptures for a burst-aoe situation like that is not in your best interest though
your goal is to sustain energy over the short timeframe, keep up envenom and just spam fok while overcapping CP
you dont need multi-ruptures for that
strange python
Hello
I have a question about our dots.
I've searched on google but all posts are mostly outdated.
Whats the difference between poison and bleed?
One guy said bleed is for PvP and poison is for PvE.
I am fresh 110 also a new player and started gearing, would like to make PvP set and I am a bit confused about stats.
Poison Build
Mastery>=Β Crit>Agility>Versatility>> Haste
Bleed Build
Agility>=Crit>Versatility>=Mastery>>Haste
Which one is recommended for PvP?
Is it viable to make hybrid?
civic palm
If you have questions about PVP, #pvp is there for you, if you have some questions about Assassination for PVE there is a guide at the top of the channel.
exotic glen
the difference is not PvE vs PvP at all
but yeah your question is better asked in the pvp channel
strange python
Well I asked here because I would like to know difference, not only which one is for PvP, thats just extra question :D
supple hearth
@strange python just play poison
For both pve and PvP.
Bleed is sub par in PvP except in a niche scenario against a hpally
strange python
Poison Build
Mastery>=Β Crit>Agility>Versatility>> Haste
So this is the way I should build?
ripe nimbus
Stats don't matter in pvp
abstract yacht
Hello all, i havent played assassination at all before and I want to do the mage tower ! I checked icy veins and it has 3 different stat priorities for 3 different "builds". Master Poisoner / Toxic Blade -- Elaborate Planning/Alacrity -- Elaborate Planning/Exsanguinate
Can you tell me if one of these builds is best for mage tower?
exotic glen
@strange python bleed uses the talent exsanguinate, poison uses toxic blade
but bleed is subpar because it requires precise gearing with high crit and more vers
poison is easier to play and gear for
civic palm
Mage Tower doesn't really need a specific build.
ripe nimbus
I did mage tower with no talents
abstract yacht
Ok so I should stick to Toxic blade talent, according to Argonic's comment
Its easier to play
abstract yacht
Its not what i wanna do because i have no idea what they all do hehe
civic palm
or play EX like a G O _O
exotic glen
cane, it doesnt really matter what you play as long as you dont play bleed, especially on mage tower
abstract yacht
I just asked if a specific talent is better for mage tower
civic palm
Well read them and figure out what you like, Mage Tower doesn't matter in regards to talents for Assassination Rogue.
exotic glen
it has a lot of problems with target switching, and the rotation is kinda different and harder to execute properly
abstract yacht
Great, tyty
civic palm
O _O
exotic glen
but alacrity is fine for mage tower i guess if you want
abstract yacht
Haha, alright ill check it as well and ill see what i like best
civic palm
Get your taint out of here Tisumi!!
hoary copper
wow lost your yellow
civic palm
Bingo.
tired gull
WOW
strange python
Thats guy for clearing this out to me. I will do a bit more research when I get home
exotic glen
definitely not racist btw
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List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
arctic venture
!relics
jovial kite
ill pass thank
civic palm
our immigrants have already killed the natives.
sleek cargo
Someone said 
procs more in higher mythic plus in BFA is this true?
civic palm
Why would that be true?
sleek cargo
someone said it in a comment, i was just asking, said that to make it a more viable talent in m+ blizz made it proc more
civic palm
But not viable for... everything else? Doesn't make sense.
Gonna need to see some numbers on that.
sleek cargo
yeah i ahve no idea was just asking, dont know if it was true or he was talking 
civic palm
Where was this comment left btw?
sleek cargo
what spec yopu going to play Miz?
sleek cargo
in a youtube video yesterday, let me try find it for you (hopefully)
exotic glen
sounds like someone couldnt be talking more out of their ass
its a chance to proc per combo point used, nothing else
exotic glen
you could argue that it procs more because you get more combo points in m+
hmmmmmm
ok mize
you convinced me
poison bomb procs more in m+ then
civic palm
The wisdom in this case could be to not trust Youtube comments.
sleek cargo
im looking for the comment, i spent all day watching class videos, and someone was saying crimson tempest is m+ best talent esp for higher keys, and someone commented blizz made it proc more for higher mythic pluses...so not sure, ill keep scanning the comments for it, but god knows which video it was, but i thought id ask here incase it was somethng i didnt know
civic palm
I wouldn't bother, as PBOMB proccing more makes no actual sense.
and even if it did, the damage it does is so poor it would not matter.
sleek cargo
i found the comment. ill post it in a sec
civic palm
Okay, thank you.
sudden brook
i mean hes just wrong tho
civic palm
Gonna need some numbers on that, makes no sense mechanically.
sleek cargo
yeah as i said i saw it and just a question i asked
sudden brook
it procs more in the sense that, higher M+ keys last longer, so you are going to get more total procs, but the proc rate doesnt increase
civic palm
marble hemlock
ye
civic palm
This is also wrong.
tired gull
he's not saying it procs more on h igher keys
sleek cargo
kk
tired gull
he's saying that because of mobs having health on higher keys, and with the base proc % being higher, it will contribute more consistent damage
marble hemlock
i mean the comma is set wrong, whats hes saying is that compared to legion they buffed the procrate, which is true, and that when trash lives long enough you get to see a bomb or two on every pull now
tired gull
higher than live
marble hemlock
they also nerfed the damage and duration
civic palm
Getting 1 PBOMB off and then something dies, or getting 12 PBOMBs off then something dies, does not matter.
marble hemlock
so that buffed procrate doesnt actually increase the damage its dealing, just going by the current numbers and the beta numbers, pb has been nerfed significantly
civic palm
I wanna say that the Duration change was a buff.
and not a nerf.
But the damage fuckery messes with that.
marble hemlock
either way: as it stands right now, PB is bad for you. and not in the "chocolate is bad for you" sense, more like asbestos
civic palm
Also, no comma fuckery there, he's literally making the statement.
buffed PB so that.
sleek cargo
i liked poison bomb..it felt so good on big pulls when you seen that acid death below them all
marble hemlock
"they buffed the proc so it procs more regularly (INSERT COMMA BECAUSE NEW THOUGHT STARTS), and on higher keys [...]"
civic palm
English is still a stupid language and he/she could have been talking about something else entirely.
tired gull
on live it's 2.5% per cp, on beta it's 4%, how is that not a buff to proc rate?
sudden brook
the way he worded it can seem like hes saying that it procs more in M+ high keys
marble hemlock
it does proc more regularly, thats just a fact
sudden brook
just like, it will proc at a higher rate at a 20 vs a 5
tired gull
he wasn't saying that at all, he just sucks with grammar
marble hemlock
but with his weird phrasing, you may think theres a different procrate in higher m+ keys, which is obviously not true
marble hemlock
hes also bad at logic
civic palm
or HB, both better than PBOMB atm.
marble hemlock
because even on short duration fights, the procchance doesnt matter
civic palm
Yeah, it's all the same shit.
marble hemlock
if you have 10 2sec fights, and on 2 of them you get a bomb
civic palm
1 and dead or 12 and dead, who cares
marble hemlock
thats about as nice as getting 20 bombs in 100 seconds
its more consistent over the course of a dungeon to have a bomb on every pull, but thats not what hes saying
sleek cargo
rgr
marble hemlock
long story short: bomb deals a lot less damage, and is currently not an option for both singletarget or m+ aoe, where hiddenblades/ct respectively are much better choices
sleek cargo
?
marble hemlock
and with a lot less damage i mean by comparison. good procs right now, in any given key, means i sit at 15-18% bombdamage on my overall. on beta its closer to 4-6% if i get GOOD procs
civic palm
Come on Discord... you can do it.
Yeah ~5% even on what feels like a good amount of procs, feels odd to never see it get much higher.
marble hemlock
obviously our view is skewed when it comes to "good procs" since we're still used to the old procrate
civic palm
Yeah but at the same time, if I need it to proc off of literally every finisher.
_>"
For it to compete...
I dunno.
marble hemlock
its still a proc
sudden brook
id honestly rather it stay on the weak side, CT is way more engaging than praying for procs
marble hemlock
procs suck in an environment where consistency is important
because you dont get to pull the boss 300 times until you kill it, you get one shot at timing that key you wanna do
civic palm
It being weak is fine, but it's rather bad at the moment.
marble hemlock
absolutely mr. guy, PB can die in a gutter for all i care
civic palm
Feels like there is missing scaling.
marble hemlock
it misses a shitton of mastery scaling and master poisoner, for one
ripe nimbus
It's the only option for pure ST really unless u want to meme HB which is just as bad.
marble hemlock
its not "just as bad"
sleek cargo
what if they made PB a combo use finisher?
sudden brook
it still hurts my soul when i try and see why my parses suck and see my PB did 2% vs other rouges 16%
jovial kite
marble hemlock
its numerically better
jovial kite
even ct wrecks pb
marble hemlock
ye
civic palm
FOR NOW #refactorDamage
marble hemlock
HB
civic palm
Not PBOMB.
marble hemlock
HB > CT > PB
civic palm
In any situation.
sudden brook
holy shit its that bad?
jovial kite
yes
marble hemlock
yes
sudden brook
LOL
sleek cargo
that sucks
jovial kite
and pray ion it remains that bad ππΏ
marble hemlock
and @sleek cargo PB being a proc is one of the issues, yes
ripe nimbus
Where's the proof of this link sims or u guys are just feelycrafting
civic palm
I've over 200 alpha/beta dungeons completed O _O
jovial kite
ur free to test it yourself
civic palm
It's shit.
ripe nimbus
Okay so there's no actually numerical proof ur just running a dungeon and assuming
civic palm
Assuming?
marble hemlock
i still think that the best option would be to remove PB, move TB into that talent-tier, add an "your next envenom after you cast TB will proc PB" and come up with something new instead of TB. for example KB π
jovial kite
assuming
civic palm
You have fucking meters...
jovial kite
civic palm
I assume that 5% means 5%?
sudden brook
that ideas way better
jovial kite
i dont wanna be rude critzin and skepticism is good but
if you tried it you knew
and if you spent time here
civic palm
The numbers are there O _O
jovial kite
youd see 0 ppl saying pb is good
ripe nimbus
I have and ive seen different I'm not assuming what I've seen is right tho because that's what sims and actual math are for.
shrewd night
civic palm
Here's a singular example; https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/448708367905456128/unknown.png
That 5%, doesn't fucking change.
marble hemlock
and the sims have shown the order were giving you, hb > ct > pb
sudden brook
π€
civic palm
This is 2 poison bombs, back to back with EP, on a singular 120 mob @ 325 item level.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/451565540645797908/unknown.png
ripe nimbus
Are u running toxic blade? Have u done the testing in pure single target against HB
civic palm
I've tried literally everything.
jovial kite
give this man a beta key
civic palm
Here's PBOMB getting beat by a leveling trinket;
jovial kite
pb has been the worst since alpha launch is all i can tell you π€·πΏ
ripe nimbus
Okay well so have I and in pure ST PB beats out hidden blades u got to take into account using energy on a buffed FoK that can give less CP vs a Mut
marble hemlock
as far as im aware noone has done any indepth sims on a regular basis, because its a waste of time really. as it stands, and with no changes to either of those talents over the last ~3-6months, that PB blows
jovial kite
critzin no -.-
no matter how you wanna twist it, pb isnt better
by any metric
in any scenario
ripe nimbus
Okay continue with ur feelycrafting sir
civic palm
O _O"
civic palm
He's a moron.
marble hemlock
you realize youre doing the same thing, right?
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im rofling so hard
marble hemlock
only, you know, its just you arguing in favor of one position, while everyone else is on the other side
youre basically claiming that global warming is a myth right now
jovial kite
no but critzin isnt feelycrafting
hes just assuming
he hasnt tested anything
he trusts sims
jovial kite
therefore hes right
civic palm
Don't trust the sims.
ripe nimbus
Yes I'm doing the same thing but I'm not saying I'm right I could be wrong but from what I've tested it's not better on pure ST
jovial kite
theres 0 evidence to prove youre right
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seli loves pb
shrewd night
What did you test tho
jovial kite
π€·πΏ
ripe nimbus
Especially if ur using Toxic blade
shrewd night
sudden brook
πΏ
ripe nimbus
And there's zero evidence to prove ur right either so stop assuming u are
civic palm
Other than the meters.
marble hemlock
so youre saying youre feelycrafting, but are not convinced that your feelycraftig is wrong, when the combined feelycrafting of dozens of other people claim something else?
civic palm
inb4 "The meters are wrong because you could be bad".
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so in order to see what is best u need to find the best rotation
and import it
to simc
easy
do it
jovial kite
you know theres a reason there isnt any substantial sims yet
ripe nimbus
Yah cause rogues are lazy af warriors have all that shit done already
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ofc partying
marble hemlock
oh right
jovial kite
marble hemlock
youre the dude
civic palm
bahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
marble hemlock
gobbling warriorcock everytime it comes up
civic palm
G G
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rofl
civic palm
Fuck off.
marble hemlock
forgot about that part
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AHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
marble hemlock
how about instead of complaining about "us" not doing sims, you do some yourself?
sudden brook
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
marble hemlock
or, you know, check out the sims that do exist, for free, by people who dont get paid to do that shit
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thats what i said
ancient sonnet
inb4 haste best stat on wednesday
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also i think that you can still use pb even half of the discord server believes its bad
civic palm
Haste iiiiiiiiiis pretty good.
marble hemlock
for big hiddenblades+leg cloak foks
marble hemlock
not a meme
civic palm
Meme's aren't false.
marble hemlock
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fok da police meme imported
civic palm
They are reality.
marble hemlock
itll return, trust me
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seli the boy
marble hemlock
ive done the math, and the feels, im pretty confident
jovial kite
oof the memes of the olden days
civic palm
Yeah but Feels > Math
jovial kite
pepperidge farm members
marble hemlock
ive doen some big feels
civic palm
I enjoy that the meme's were fueled by π
marble hemlock
someday ill be a warrior and have sims
jovial kite
im content im right and you're wrong because do you even right rotatio
marble hemlock
but until then, ill be a feelyboy
civic palm
Slak do you even HAVE a Patreon?!
HUH?!
You can't be serious if you don't have a Patreon.
civic palm
F U C K
jovial kite
yall got some of those sims? yeah the ones that are pretty much guaranteed to change? tuning? whats that? SIMS NOW
shrewd night
it yaboi
sudden brook
rogues r lazy
sudden brook
good meme
marble hemlock
thats feely news
shrewd night
not my fault yall aint simming beta shit and realizing how good PB is
jovial kite
have you ever even as far as decided into taking account of energy use and less cp
marble hemlock
you guys remember the "+1 energy" meme when they buffed our t21?
those were good times
jovial kite
yes
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the pinned image
jovial kite
take my 1 energy
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is the best one
sudden brook
hey guys whats the best rogue spec bfa
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marble hemlock
ye
civic palm
That one over there. @sudden brook
sudden brook
thanks
jovial kite
γ€ ββ ΰΌ½γ€ TAKE MY 1 ENERGY ΰΌΌ γ€ ββ ΰΌ½
civic palm
np sub to my Patreon please.
marble hemlock
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worst design ever
civic palm
SO exciting though.
marble hemlock
you mean bomb?
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yeah
marble hemlock
it used to be great
civic palm
O_O IT POPPED
marble hemlock
because it used to be rppm
sudden brook
LOL
marble hemlock
then they changed it
civic palm
also reduce the radius O _O
jovial kite
it was good when assa was good which was wit AP
marble hemlock
it was good when it was rppm, because you always got one on pull
lone junco
Rip my +3 E
marble hemlock
since it was the type of rppm that didnt reset when entering combat
lone junco
marble hemlock
then they changed it
to also include rupture
but it became pure random
and ever since then its been shit
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sweet pb
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being first on damage
civic palm
WE'RE RANDOM
marble hemlock
10mil DPS openers with double bomb+concordance during first 10sec
pure skill
no concordance or bomb? say hello to 3mil opener instead
π
civic palm
The height of pure mathematical superiority
sudden brook
i dont mind pb, i just hate that PB is either 2, 8 or 14 on single target
pretty tilting
marble hemlock
smells like feelycrafting
jovial kite
this tbh
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a guildie had 7 pbs in row
marble hemlock
got some patreon-payed-for sims to back up those numbers?
sudden brook
oops
jovial kite
have you done the sims that its infact 2 8 or 14
did you sim wether its tilting or not
sudden brook
LOL
civic palm
Yeah I need my Patreon Filler Content please.
shrewd night
Grats on your feelycraft
jovial kite
hi its ya boi feelyslack comin here with PB STILL SHIT. PEACE UP BOIS UNTIL NEXT WEEK
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why wait for tuning when u can pay for sims
shrewd night
marble hemlock
i mean
its nice that someone actually bothers to do prelim sims for most likely outdated and/or subject-to-change content, and that people are willing to spend money on it
civic palm
Yep.
civic palm
and the content, while filler, is still fine.
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ofc its pretty good
civic palm
It's not misleading in any way.
sudden brook
ur telling me u dont want literally meaingless sims that could be totally different than prepatch or even live
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and why not do it when people pay you for it
marble hemlock
unluck
civic palm
fuck
sudden brook
civic palm
Cuz $
civic palm
Honestly I've no fucking idea, probably to support him for doing this and not going to wowhead/etc.
marble hemlock
because some people are willing to spend money on someone else "doing their work for them" if its regular and decent quality
civic palm
or making fucking YT videos.
marble hemlock
i see no issue with that
civic palm
The primary issue here is that, in this specific case, the content doesn't matter for too long.
jovial kite
what do you really gain for paying for some shit sims that are irrelevant
civic palm
That isn't to deride his history of content though.
marble hemlock
its clear that people want to know about stuff right now, either to prepare themselves, orb ecause they actually wanna to well on beta right now, and having someone do sims and shit in a decent manner is worth something to these people
civic palm
You're not paying for this specifically and only, as evidenced by us being able to view it for free.
civic palm
People are paying the guy for continued updates.
It's just that this specific update isn't all too important.
marble hemlock
ye
jovial kite
right
marble hemlock
but he kinda has to put out content on a regular basis
and its not like this wont help him do similar things on live once bfa hits, if things dont change, he basically has all the work done already
civic palm
TBH the content, even this kinda weak month content, is pretty good. Better than most thing you will catch on wowhead.
I don't need the 12th update to the Mage Tower.
marble hemlock
the problem isnt that dude making the sims now, the problem is with idiots like that dude we just bullied asking for others to do the same
civic palm
Literally speaking down to you because of it.
marble hemlock
and claiming that the information were giving out is unreliable or even false, because its not based on payed-for-by-patreon quality sims/theorycrafting
civic palm
Hey I did ~13k dungeon DPS and PBOMB is ~5% of total damage.
YEAH BUT DO YOU HAVE A PATREON PAGE?!
marble hemlock
thats just... annoying
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well some of us appreciate the work of people
marble hemlock
i dont
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rofl
marble hemlock
sub is a garbage spec for garbage people, and you shoould be ashamed of your teal color
civic palm
I mean there's like, 4 people I trust on RH for this kinda thing, the rest of you could be getting your information from YT video comments pages.
marble hemlock
sub is everything thats wrong with humanity
civic palm
O _O
civic palm
You didn't PAY HIM?!
marble hemlock
β€
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i wouldnt bitch to him
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the D
jovial kite
people appreciate work
civic palm
You did THANK HIM at least? Ye?!
marble hemlock
^this
sharp viper
from RNG rank 1 on varimathras mythic
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now now
civic palm
Well that's what you get.
jovial kite
you should be nicer to todd
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feelyslack
jovial kite
have you missed the meme?
civic palm
I must have.
jovial kite
the bluepost and justification of RNG
civic palm
ENLIGHTEN ME
sharp viper
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FXBmwdGLKrzn1PyC/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=29 look at all these skillbombs
jovial kite
one sec
civic palm
I might have seen that... might have.
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i wanna see the meme too
civic palm
Feelyjerk has that shit bookmark'd O _O
tepid ridge
hey guys
marble hemlock
you only used 202 CP that fight, at 2.5% each
civic palm
π
tepid ridge
is the pandemic windows for bleed always = 30% of the duration of current bleed?
marble hemlock
yes
civic palm
Pandemic is always 30%.
sharp viper
check the previous 2 wipes
marble hemlock
30% of the duration of the bleed you would apply
tepid ridge
thanks wasn't 100% sure π
marble hemlock
so you can have a low-cp bleed, as long as the next one is a 5cp one, you get the full 8sec increase from pandemic
marble hemlock
(as long as the previous one lasts ~8sec or longer)
civic palm
Incorrect, 30% of current bleed, otherwise the Pandemic window would be whenever you want.
jovial kite
First, it kind of muddies the waters a bit. When you wipe on a boss at 1%, or just barely miss a kill window, it can be easy to say "if Todd was doing 2% more damage we'd have won." But when it's a proc, you can't actually be that sure. Maybe Todd needs more AP, or maybe he just got unlucky with procs. Maybe the wipe wasn't Todd's fault at all. Maybe you should be a little nicer to Todd.
strange python
think of Todd.
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HAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHh
marble hemlock
what im saying is, mize, that you can apply a 2cp rupture, and immediately do 5cp rupture, for the full pandemic rupture on the second cast
civic palm
:NODEMOTE:
marble hemlock
you dont need to cast a 5cp rupture and do another 5cp rupture to get a full pandemic rupture for, lets say, a nightstalker rupture that you want to exsang
jovial kite
Maybe todd just got lucky with pressing hes keys wrong
maybe Todds cat jumped on the keyboard
marble hemlock
id prefer pandemic being consistent
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todd has more skill
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cause he adapts his rotation to the concordance proc
civic palm
I enjoy Pandemic as a mechanic, but it needs to exposure.
jovial kite
adapting rotation to concordance is only a thing with last cooldowns and pots
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i know
jovial kite
so its a pretty bad argument
civic palm
What you don't like AP/SoT screenshotting?
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but thats what they said right?
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econd (and more importantly), it allows for player skill to play more of a factor. If you're the sort of player who can pay attention to procs and adjust your rotation on the fly (say, a healer who chooses to use cheaper spells while it's active, or a damage-dealer who saves a charge of their hardest-hitting ability), you're going to get more value out of the new trait than someone who ignores it.
jovial kite
is what they said
marble hemlock
yeah
almost no class can pay attention to procs
cause they need to do the same shti anyway, or lose dps
jovial kite
yep
jovial kite
but its the players fault for being shit
civic palm
and Blizzard is hitting that shit home hard in BFA O _O
marble hemlock
affli, specifically
cause they dont rebuild resources as quickly as all the other specs
civic palm
This buff stacks to a fucking THOUSAND.
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who cares about locks anyway
jovial kite
ww can do that to an extent aswell
marble hemlock
they can afford to delay using their reap stacks and build more shards before they spam UAs until the are close to capping, or have a proc
yeah
marble hemlock
charge-based CDs work well with procs
never was todds fault
and even if it is
as long as they kill the boss
civic palm
Todd is just Todd.
marble hemlock
even if todd was floor-PoVing
hes gonna get his loot in bfa
cause he deserves it
jovial kite
think of the toddials
civic palm
If Todd is being blamed for a wipe that he had nothing to do with, Todd should stand up for himself.
jovial kite
or trodds
civic palm
or herself.
jovial kite
civic palm
Todd is genderless.
marble hemlock
clearly
tired gull
how dare you assume his/her/xis/xer/its/etc. lack of gender
jovial kite
yeah as a genderless person i take offense in you assuming ANY gender
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so u have no pepee
jovial kite
civic palm
If you would please fuck my genderless existence.
That would be ever so excepting of you.
marble hemlock
we need a succ emote in here right now i think
jovial kite
i concur
civic palm
marble hemlock
@shrewd pine
strange python
don jose would approve of this conversation
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and then they say this disc server is toxic
marble hemlock
weeb
civic palm
Genderless Weeb please.
Get with the program.
btw... look at this totally legit refund form.
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i cosplay as a dickless anime character
jovial kite
yes igor ze form is leget
marble hemlock
jovial kite
yu just fill form yes?
marble hemlock
discord please
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hrey jokur
civic palm
HOW off-topic will this get before someone meme's us to #off-topic ?
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civic palm
Nice embed π
civic palm
10m is kiiiiiiiinda long though.
marble hemlock
its like candyman, when you mention him 3 times, its gonna happen. we're at 2 now.
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pb sucks
civic palm
troof
jovial kite
no sims? pb is superior in st
civic palm
Back on track, whew, wonderful.
jovial kite
i feel therefore im right
jovial kite
brb setting one up
jovial kite
yes ofc
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hrey jokur
shrewd night
civic palm
Nah we're just fookin aboot.
exotic glen
you wanna fook about with me? π
civic palm
manic vigil
I think you look fabulous 
marble hemlock
dw youll be purple in no time
civic palm
Is that a threat?
rain urchin
On M Argus, is it worth using vanish when I've got 4 stacks of the crit/mast buff or should I save it for when vendetta comes up in p2
I realize my damage in this phase doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but was just wondering what people typically do
ripe nimbus
alrite for those people doing the feelycraft saying hidden blades was better pure ST then PBomb.. This is with PBomp.
and this is with hidden blades
exotic glen
did someone argue it wasnt?
exotic glen
i was sure that had already been debated
ripe nimbus
go to BFA discussion if u want to read it.
actually it might of been in this channel i donno i was at work
Yah nevermind it was in this channel.
Scroll up
civic palm
Simming with incomplete data and a imperfect APL wooo, nice proof.
Also, pretty sure everyone was talking about 120, and not 110.
plain thistle
3k dps? what is that? pre lvl 120 or what?
civic palm
I think that's just the spell he is talking about?
Character is very much 110 though.
plain thistle
you can check a better sim on BfA channel, I think the best single target talent build done by FUU is with poison bomb
civic palm
Which is still incomplete and with bad stats by his own admission.
plain thistle
oh yeah, but is better than what he posted here
acoustic yew
is it just me or questing (110-120) is rly hard as assassin?
civic palm
Yeah but I think that this guy is talking about 110 and whether HB or PBOMB is better.
ripe nimbus
it doesnt matter if at 110 or 120 ur argument that Hidden Blades is better then PBomb on pure ST is just wrong. but its okay ill stop arguing with you, u can believe do what ever u want affects me none
civic palm
No.
plain thistle
who is saying hidden blades is better?
civic palm
Because you have fucking 30% mastery at 120 and fucking 80% or more at 110 prepatch.
Literally everyone other than him.
ripe nimbus
^ this guy.
civic palm
HB showed better numbers through practical testing than PBOMB did.
plain thistle
where?
ripe nimbus
"Practical" i did some feelycraft and came to an assumption
civic palm
Meters == Feelycraft
steep obsidian
lilac lily
Do the empowered artifacts change anything for our relics? Any traits?
exotic glen
no
civic palm
No.
exotic glen
empowered artifact =/= prepatch artifacts
civic palm
The hard fucking key presses, made that hard to edit O _O
lilac lily
I mean on live, not BFA
nimble tartan
yall dumb nobody realizeshow op poison weaving is
the tc'ers havent figured it out yet
fleet whale
wow top Sin parse for M Garothi had only 5% PB damage and was using bracers/shoulders
visual sedge
Yo, as assa, should i always include garrote in my opener? Pvp
steep obsidian
he had 61% concordance uptime varolyn π
30k+ agi op
pretty much perfect kill time too for cds
fleet whale
right now its 31.3k agi...
It was pretty nice seeing a 5 million toxic blade crit on a dummy today lol
ripe nimbus
God damn Haste is such a good stat in pre patch
strange python
16m envenom was fun too
strange python
i will swap on haste too
ripe nimbus
look how much haste increases APM lol
strange python
t21 active ?
ripe nimbus
ye, it will def drop a bit once t21 deactivates but haste will still be good
strange python
but not over the skieees
ripe nimbus
Haste seems to devalue once u get to like 30% and then crit becomes best stat. then mastery
steep obsidian
seefooz bis
strange python
:p
steep obsidian
so whats the breakpoint then
ripe nimbus
looks like 30%
civic palm
Last update was over a week ago, might have been some meaningful differences made.
steep obsidian
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
lone junco
30% haste is pretty easy to hit.
I had a 40crit. 40h. Set for EP exang. Let's hope it's good.
I could probably get to 75-80% haste with a sephuz kick.
I hit 119% on live with Alacrity /sephuz and weird gear.
exotic glen
can you even use energy that fast
ripe nimbus
so if u deactivate t21, APM drops from 51 to 46.
strange python
what spec
exotic glen
connor spec
strange python
how on earth does sin even approach 51 apm
marble hemlock
exsang+sephuz?
tranquil birch
π€
I mean you'd need an interrupt to be able to line up with exang lol
I don't see that happening often
lone junco
@marble hemlock Don't worry about me. It will probably suck. But I'll give it a go.
Current set is like 2% haste. But if it's worth a poop I have plenty.
ripe nimbus
@tranquil birch from my sims with my haste gear, u still run venom rush, but u dont run vigor u run deeper strat, and instead of master poision u run EP
tranquil birch
makes since
so then the dps with haste is even further apart from mastery than in the sims you posted
running those talents yea?
ripe nimbus
ill rerun sims i didnt even think about switching outta MP/Vigor with haste gear until u said something lol