assassination

[exotic glen]

it hasnt been for like half a year

[ruby fulcrum]

what did they change?

[exotic glen]

they changed deadly poison quite a bit and made mut stronger i think

is what happened

[ruby fulcrum]

ahh ok. i saw some/few references, but couldnt find much on it. figured it was fixed/patched/nerfed. just checking XD

[civic palm]

MUT trait got a buff, bugs were fixed with FoK and Poison Knives.

FoK is still used in places if you are using 5/7 or more PL relics however.

"still used" being very fringe.

[exotic glen]

well it was mostly the nightstalker bug making it OP

and they made deadly poison apply new instances instead of extending current ones which fixed it

[civic palm]

Yarp.

[exotic glen]

Yarp.

Okay.

[civic palm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/police-paul-RbB2YRruc5q6c

[strange python]

What's the best Alliance race for Rogues?

Human, Void Elf or Night Elf?

[civic palm]

Whichever.

[strange python]

oh

I figured the stealth from Nelf might be pretty good

[civic palm]

At doing what?

[strange python]

to trigger shoulders and subterfuge

[marble hemlock]

doesnt work on bosses, only works on trash

[strange python]

ah okay

[civic palm]

Yeah there are combat flags on those abilities that are required to trigger =\

[marble hemlock]

so for raiding, human

for m+, nelf

[strange python]

fair enough

[marble hemlock]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/1t-t21-rogue-assassination-boots-bracers

[strange python]

im human rn, was just looking if there was a better option

[dark crag]

and soon shoulders are gone. play the race you like the most

[strange python]

funny thing is i dont even have the bracers

actually, its not funny

its sad

[marble hemlock]

bracers arent the end-all-and-be-all they used to be

[dark crag]

you really want to give up the rep bonus for a mediocre mini vanish that most of the time doesn't really work

trash shoulder gain aside

[strange python]

im running wrists boots

[dark crag]

you need to be last person alive to reset bosses

as sub you could benefit from the extented fw window

[strange python]

I never liked that FoK bug fix because deadly poison can still sometimes take nightstalker

Of course it gets refreshed immediately. But wastes that talent.

[marble hemlock]

bomb is worse though

cant NS your rupture/envenom when a bomb just procced ><

[neat umbra]

Yeah I was gonna say, why stop playing a human/the diplomacy race in world of repcraft

[glad dirge]

Would a bleed or poison build be best with these stats?

[lone junco]

@glad dirge haste is grosly too high for either.

[civic palm]

Outlaw O _O

[shy mica]

hes just prepping for bfa assa

np

[glad dirge]

I'm PvP geared wbut I want to do some PvE

[lone junco]

20crit 200mastery. or 40 crit 120 mastery are very common numbers

do poison.

cause you wont have the relics for bleed.

[glad dirge]

Will do, thanks! 😃

[lone junco]

MP. NS vigor TB

or something similar.

gl

[glad dirge]

Already specced like that ^

Thanks a lot

[lone junco]

if you run stat weights and use pawn, Im sure you could find some mastery in your bags.

i have 2% haste.

[glad dirge]

Oh wow

well, this is an alt and I've almost only geared it through PvP

so most of my spare gear have just gotten thrown into the obliterum forge

[dense blaze]

A month before BfA and I still have two haste pieces

[glad dirge]

Do we know when the pre-patch drops?

[drifting cloud]

17th 90%

[glad dirge]

Hm, cool. Thanks 😃

[strange python]

rip poison title

[plain thistle]

lol wut

rip green name 😦

[supple hearth]

I'd agree with 17th. It's not 100% confirmed though

[fleet whale]

I guess cause there is no such thing as a pure poison or bleed build in bfa with the mastery change

[neat umbra]

Hey @supple hearth can I get the Assa role?

[rancid blaze]

No no no you have it all wrong it coming this Tuesday.....i had a dream

[drifting cloud]

if it was coming on Tuesday they would have announced it by now I think

[rancid blaze]

I know im just kidding

[supple hearth]

@neat umbra yeh

[neat umbra]

Thanks a bunch!

[civic palm]

O _O

FUDGE

[strange python]

we all bleedy bois now

[shrewd night]

wut

I demand a refund

[exotic glen]

Dam casuals with their red names

[autumn bloom]

:[

[steep obsidian]

fk

[supple hearth]

I killed all the bleeds and all the poisons and United you all under one

[civic palm]

O_OuMonster

Blizzard needs to buff PBOMB so I can be green again.

[steep obsidian]

im white now

hmm

[strange python]

any chance you could make me a redboi too, im no longer red

[supple hearth]

Ye

[solar willow]

Hi guys how you doing

Where are the greenbois i only see redbois and tealbois

[fiery nest]

dead spec

[steep obsidian]

rip greenbois

[autumn bloom]

_>

<_<

[solar willow]

Why are sin rogues 1shotting ppl in arenas and pvp on ptr?

[true ingot]

Because nobody cares about pvp on ptr

[steep obsidian]

hiden blades + fok cloak + lego should + flying daggers pvp talent + nightstalker

even without flying daggers its enough i think

[solar willow]

Legos dont count im talking about cap level

[steep obsidian]

I mean it’s probably enough to just take one out

One of those things

That me guessing though maybe there is a bugged trait

[civic palm]

Get a combat log

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep obsidian]

Same

[civic palm]

HB + FD + NS is still a ton of damage.

[steep obsidian]

Yeh

[dense blaze]

What does it feel like doing AoE damage on demand?

[fiery nest]

good

[balmy condor]

feels sub man

[errant verge]

can i ask a really simple question?

what do i use anticipation or deeper stratagem

[regal cape]

Oof

[strange python]

poison build uses neither.

[errant verge]

you see i have the legendary that gives me vigor

[regal cape]

The oof was to mentioning anticipation

[strange python]

deeper stratagem then

[regal cape]

I don't think there's a single reason to ever even look at it

[strange python]

ha. I like the idea of buffering cp with anticipation.

even if it has little practical use

[regal cape]

Sub only used it for a short stint because of a meme bug and making nh sub "easier"

[strange python]

@errant verge remember to still finish at 4+ cp

[errant verge]

why not 5?

[regal cape]

I mean you could argue for antic "maybe" pooling for vanish for two envenom but then you lose out on the massive gains of the others

And with David you finish 5 to 6

[strange python]

4+ I should say. just don't mutilate at 4

[regal cape]

You can mut at 4

With ds

We currently mut at 3

It's the exact same

[strange python]

yeah but what if you have to mut 3 times in a row.

that sounds gross.

[regal cape]

"sounds" is close to "feels"

And those are opinions

[errant verge]

the reason is ask is because i find antisipation chaotic

[regal cape]

Anticipation shouldn't be chaotic, it's just not useful

Or good for sin

[errant verge]

so deeper?

[regal cape]

Of course

It's a damage increase

Anticipation isn't strictly a gain

[errant verge]

i have 15 talent : master poisoner lvl 30 : nightStalker

45: vigor and deeper

60: leaching

[regal cape]

It's use would be like if you needed a second spender without waiting for the cp gen or like to never waste sealed fate cp

[errant verge]

75 internal bleeding

[strange python]

nah, you don't mutilate at 4 unless you need the cp for vanish or something.

looking through some deeper stat logs.

[errant verge]

90 toxic blades

and 100 venom rush

[regal cape]

Talents aren't really variable

Unless you are like doing alacrity memes or exsang

Or have to wear soul

[errant verge]

i use alacrity on outlaw....

[regal cape]

That's outlaw

This is sin

[errant verge]

true

[regal cape]

So any talent discussion I have in sin channel

Is for sin

[errant verge]

true

and ok

[lone junco]

most use vigor

during shoulder windows you get that 4cp mut crit. and vig helps with smooth things out.

[turbid harbor]

Anticipation is strictly a gain - you eliminate losing cp by capping

It’s also helpful in some other areas

[lone junco]

Anti had a little speculation usage for uptime of 100% env , 100% 2p , 100% EP. but that play style didnt work out. and required insane mut crit levels.

[strange python]

do you mut at 4cp noobe?

[turbid harbor]

You can also ensure all your envenoms in vanish window are 5cp instead of 4cp by vanishing at 8+ cp

Do not mut at 4

[strange python]

I mean with deeper stratagem, I know he uses it

[turbid harbor]

Same answer

[strange python]

yeah okay. that's what I thought

[lone junco]

nah. My crit is too high.

I ran some sims a while back and 3cp ruptures are fine as well. Unless it is exang time.

~ 75% mut crit and that 4cp mut is not gonna happen.

I double mut for any exang tho.

[turbid harbor]

Wasting cps is really bad

Not worth a slightly higher dpe finisher

Of course this doesn’t apply when you’re about to rupture for your exsang

Or for nightstalker

[strange python]

well someone who had the vigor ring was wondering what talent to use. obviously deeper strat is the answer, but I doubt their crit is at a bleed build level, so I was wondering if they should be muting at 4cp

and of course the only deeper strat logs I could find are bleed build with high crit

again, I still think the answer is no, was but was open to discussion

[turbid harbor]

If you’re forced into using vigor ring then anticipation is also a good choice

Though vigor ring is one of the worst sin legendaries and it should be replaced asap

[lone junco]

yeah vig/anti would need the crit to be worth a shit. the apl got a rework for anti back in january or something.

[autumn bloom]

if you have the vigor ring just play sub

[lone junco]

or.

[strange python]

should i blindly follow raidbots sims? It's putting the legendary belt (cinidaria or something) along with the mantle legendary in my BiS setup, over mantle + duskwalker boots (don't have bracers)

[autumn bloom]

if i told you to blindly follow raidbots sims would you

a sim is a sim, you can look at the html report to try to figure out why something is simming higher. cindaria is usually a 3-4% dps increase on single target boss fights. boots value fluctuates with your build and how many MA relics you have

what talents are you running

do you have 4pc?

[lone junco]

@strange python also. keep in mind that anything less than 1% relative gain, is relatively nothing. So make sure you use your brain.

Use your belt on Odyn it never gets to execute. Dont use belt or bracers on helya (Maw) she doesnt start full and doesnt execute. Do use bracers in Eye of Ashara last boss. It lives in execute only.

post the raidbot output link if you want actual advice.

[robust light]

is ravenholdt out of date for the bleed build guide?

looking at what the top rogues use in the bleed build,. the talents suggested on ravenholdt are different

[whole veldt]

Hi guys, quick question that I can't seem to find a specific answer to. If your rotation ends up such that you have to choose between using kingsbane/toxic blade or a finisher to avoid wasting CP, which is better? most rotations seem to say that the cooldowns are a higher priority, but that seems counterintuitive

[fervent beacon]

I just use everything on CDs myself

[strange python]

you should just be aware of your cooldowns so you are not at max cp when they come up

but yeah if I happen to have 5cp when kingsbane is off cd then I would finisher first

[whole veldt]

Thanks!

[latent tapir]

Blizzard has already said when Iron Wire will be nerfed ?

[plain thistle]

they alredy nerfed it

a couple beta builds ago

it was 15s silence now its 8s (with talent)

[fleet whale]

it was never a 15 second silence... it was 8 now it's 6 with the talent

[plain thistle]

yeah, sorry, 15% is the damage reduction

[fleet whale]

still... 6 seconds is a long time

[civic palm]

A very long time.

[fleet whale]

and the 15% reduction I think can be useful in certain situations for utility

[civic palm]

aka, every pull.

[fleet whale]

does it work on bosses? imagine sin rogues using vanish to help save tanks from a big hit with it

[civic palm]

Can the boss be silenced by the garrote?

If yes then they should deal reduced damage, otherwise no and if it works then something needs to be changed.

[short pivot]

Is this silence for pvp as well?

If so thats rly awesome news

[autumn bloom]

yeah that'd be wild

[fleet whale]

yes it is but I think it's only 5 seconds in pvp

[gleaming geyser]

@civic palm bosses cannot be silenced, so no

[civic palm]

Of course not, usually.

[plain wraith]

How's Assassination looking in BFA?

[exotic glen]

good

[civic palm]

Fine.

[exotic glen]

Okay.

[civic palm]

Decent.

[supple hearth]

ye

[plain wraith]

Thanks haha

[civic palm]

Looks like;

O _O

[gleaming geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/385222396786769921/464639225820610561/unknown.png

Pog

[strange python]

10 years late

gj

[gleaming geyser]

thanks bud

[lone junco]

@robust light there is really only 1 bleed build. EP/NS/DS . . . Exsang/ VW. Bracers/boots. 3 vendetta relics. High crit (50+).

and dont bother. its a pain in the ass.

[robust light]

https://gyazo.com/57b7d9909a18c832cb6906b0d7085d26 so why is this the only one im seeing on warcraft logs

[lone junco]

and its not bleed.

[robust light]

not seen a single one using the one u suggested then

[lone junco]

that is an EP TB.

EP TB is insig + boots or Bracers.

high crit.

doesnt require 3 vendettas.

People like it because it buffs rupture like a bleed, but has little reliance on Poison Bomb. and Insig + Ep is pretty good

[robust light]

i dont plan on using it, was just bored and wanted to see if i could get high enough crit for it

which i cant

[lone junco]

Last time I messed with that one, i was at 54%

[robust light]

i can get to about 40% lol

dont have much gear other than the stuff im using tho

which is mostly like heavy mastery

[lone junco]

shoulders are worth a lot of crit, but once you have enough, you can bypass that spec.

but meh. end of tier

@robust light tbh there isnt a magic number for crit. but at some point the EP TB will take over MP/TB.

you should be able to try it anyway

[fast nacelle]

its not about it taking over. for me MP/TB is still slightly ahead (cause i changed to tripple MA MA relicts for m+)

[exotic glen]

you mean MA and PK?

[fast nacelle]

master alchemist + master assassin

[exotic glen]

master assassin for m+

???

[fast nacelle]

no master assasin for raiding

but master alchemist for m+

its good overall comb m+ and raiding for end of legion

some bossfights like argus or aggramar (unless you scumbag adds) are just good cause they are longer fights which fits EP/TB + Insig.
they also have some nice cleave (2 bigg adds on aggramar - orbs on argus) which fit 2p4p well
argus also has some nice crit mastery buff for p1 which is sexy.
overall you have higher average damage. both fights are good for insig + bracer cause fight are long enough and you have a high melee uptime

[exotic glen]

i always scumbag adds

true padder

[fast nacelle]

melees who scumbag on aggramar adds have small dicks

which is fine

[exotic glen]

the fuck did you say

ill have u know

my dick is very average

[fast nacelle]

with 550m dmg on the embers and 18% overall PB dmg. im sure you can teach us how to play rogue :^)

[exotic glen]

sure, i take 15euro per hour

[lost horizon]

👀

[exotic glen]

omegalul

[lost horizon]

I mean you can go look at other fights if it helps LOL

[exotic glen]

yeah tyra, you should go look up how to play rogue

READ THE GUIDE

READ THE PINS

[lost horizon]

Agg cheesy af

Yo dude you forgot

[exotic glen]

SIM THE PINS

[lost horizon]

Pin the sims idiot

Oh wait fuck they already are

[exotic glen]

Pim the sins

[lost horizon]

Outplayed

[exotic glen]

pimp my sims

[lost horizon]

Sin my pims

[strange python]

the arathi rares being faction tagged is real feelsbadman

[steep obsidian]

at least they ar a quick way to get to 350 gear without having to grind things

i guess they won't have a high drop rate on live

[strange python]

that was already changed

[steep obsidian]

ahh ok well at least i abused it while i could eh

[hybrid quarry]

I dont get the ravenhold approved logo. Low def, high def, and paint in the 1 picture

It fucks with my head

[sinful marsh]

Contain your jealousy

[shrewd pine]

sick chaos crystal

[supple hearth]

Best rogue spec?
Frost

[autumn bloom]

best rogue spec?

ret

[exotic glen]

ret is actually really good in bfa atm

its got 0 aoe but

ST is good

[autumn bloom]

ive always wanted to play a paladin

it and warrior are the only classes i never got to 110

[shrewd pine]

dawg I saw rets blasting AOE with consec on beta recentlyx

[autumn bloom]

because plate ...ew

[exotic glen]

but DK?

[autumn bloom]

dk i have at 110

[supple hearth]

I've never been able to get into playing dk. It's the only class I will regret not getting challenge mode weapons on

[gray tendon]

just wanted to check in and say whats good

[exotic glen]

pizza is pretty good

[alpine nest]

@exotic glen plis teach me play rogue

[exotic glen]

who u

@alpine nest

w h o

[strange python]

what is the best spec on ptr

[autumn bloom]

mage

[exotic glen]

@strange python go to the bfa channel and read the pins

[strange python]

i need ptr data not bfa ^^

[fiery nest]

Wh6

Why

[civic palm]

Why do you need PTR data o_o

Wh6 was actually right there.

[exotic glen]

.... why LOL

[strange python]

because there will be a month of prepatch?

[jolly trout]

everything will be screwed because shit is balanced around level 120 so who cares lol

[strange python]

so that's why i was asking maybe someone tested ptr

[jolly trout]

i don't think so the most will just test Beta

[golden cosmos]

Getting ready to do the Mage Tower challenge on assassination. Quick question... with Insignia of Ravenholdt legendary, is it still better dps to Fan of Knives, or should I just Mutilate to take advantage of the legendary effect?

[fleet whale]

I would just FoK to spread poisons after that just use mut. But don't overthink the challenge. Just do the mechanics and avoid the bad stuff and you will be fine

[autumn bloom]

sin is braindead easy

interrupt the instant game over

keep dots up

you'll have ur shiny new ghostdags

[hoary relic]

yeah with leeching posion on all 3 of the dudes its easy

just blind the one dude when he does he yell thing

and stun/kite the other when he enrages

[vast forum]

or evasion 🤷

[next arch]

is sin good for pvp / pve? just resubbed and am tired of combat

or OUTLAW i guess its called these days

[fleet whale]

it's the best spec in antorus right now and it's good in pvp, note that the pre-patch is coming soon so things will change

[next arch]

okay dope, i love you

[queen epoch]

is it losing it's cookie-cutter spot?

its*

[fleet whale]

too early to tell

[fallen rose]

just did the mage tower appearance for sin

fun fight, would have been crazy at gear level

[supple hearth]

nah it was easy

I did it the first day it came out at like 900 ilvl

ww/disc only challenge that is easier than the sin one

[fallen rose]

who else is in the same pool?

as sin

i struggled with xylem on sub for a while but im bad

[marble hemlock]

boomy too i think?

[shy orbit]

yo hows assa in bfa i still dont have beta :(

[shrewd pine]

Slow

You have ptr

You can check it out there

[shy orbit]

the pre patch is on ptr ?

[shrewd pine]

Yes

[shy orbit]

noice

what is the point of vendetta refunding energy when it has a gcd ? i dont like dis

[strange python]

becaues its energy over time

and u dont use it at max energy

[shy orbit]

gcd makes u stop using energy same as waiting for energy to fill up

[strange python]

u dont get max energy in one gcd

[shy orbit]

getting max energy is wrong dud xD

[strange python]

wat r u even saying

[shy orbit]

idk wat i am saying anymore

i just dont like it

i hate to wait

and i like to smash my buttons

[shrewd pine]

Just spend ur energy

And you wont mind the gcd

[fiery nest]

You're playing a spec that has 38 apm

You will be waiting

[solid nova]

You're not going to cap your energy with the APM as it is now

You'll be thankful of the energy regen from vendetta.

[shrewd pine]

^

[shy orbit]

i guess i am not use to it

[solid nova]

It's the same as it is on live 🤷

[shy orbit]

nah man

i smash my keyboard on live

[solid nova]

The APM on live is still in the 30s.

[shy orbit]

i feel slow there

[solid nova]

Idk what you're playing.

[autumn bloom]

if u wanna smash keys play a GCD locked class

like...not a rogue lol

[solid nova]

Pretty sure sin on live is 38 now

[autumn bloom]

sin is 39 according to fuu

on live

[solid nova]

Yeah exactly

You are a few APM less in BFA, thats it.

[autumn bloom]

they actually made a rogue with no energy that is GCD locked

it's called a demon hunter

and it's an elf because it was gonna be anyway

[solid nova]

So if you're smashing your keyboard in live, you're smashing the wrong keys.

[shy orbit]

but

i got cutting edge

[solid nova]

Whats that got to do with APM?

[shy orbit]

idk

[solid nova]

🤷

Cutting edge = class knowledge ?

[shy orbit]

maybe

[solid nova]

You're losing like 5~ apm

[strange python]

but then u gain it sub 30%

[solid nova]

There really isnt a massive difference in terms of apm from legion - bfa

Just feelycrafting if you think that fam.

[strange python]

no way

[solid nova]

I think way

Maybe way

[shy orbit]

is poison bomb gona be best talent ?

[fervent beacon]

Hahahahahaahah

Cutting edge rogue

[shy orbit]

its ez with the artifact buff thingy

any1 can do it

[fervent beacon]

Yeah clearly.

[shy orbit]

like i dont think i am good at this game

but i think i am doing fine

maybe

[solid nova]

@shy orbit In regards to BFA talents

#456965066638753802 pins

And you say maybe alot fam

[shy orbit]

is there a problem with that?

[solid nova]

Maybe

[shy orbit]

🤔

at least i am the best rogue in my guild

cuz there is only one rogue

[fervent beacon]

PB tho on beta is pretty bad, I'm running CT atm for dungeon, still working on the gameplay tho. If I have the garrote trait, I like to open with garrote, mutilate and CT, then FK rupture spread.

[shy orbit]

what about master poisoner

[fervent beacon]

Still good if you're running poison but I like to press more button, so I took blindside instead

[shrewd night]

Best way to know what talent is 'best' is to.. Uh. Test them.

[fervent beacon]

You know that there aren't going to be best or guide for a bit, right?

[shy orbit]

blindside is fun

[fervent beacon]

So that's why I encourage you to play the ptr and try out the changes

[solid nova]

Theres no definitive best anything yet, as said above, its still subject to tuning.

[shy orbit]

i am just askin about people opinions

[fervent beacon]

For all we know, Outlaw will get tuned up to the top to be #1 dps spec in the game

[solid nova]

Probably will be

[fervent beacon]

[solid nova]

Chadlaw expansion

[shy orbit]

i dont mind rolling stuff

but i love assa

[autumn bloom]

really

im more of a tits man

[shy orbit]

sure

[fervent beacon]

Rollin KT male for those tits

[autumn bloom]

KT male daddy 👀

[strange python]

pls dont say that ever again

[shy orbit]

can kt even do rogue?

[shrewd night]

KT male dad with leather harness

[fleet carbon]

Too bad kt can't wear the orgrimmar harness for the gimp ring

[shrewd night]

All you need is läderhosen

[fleet carbon]

Exposed nips add to dps

Kt leather daddy also needs the hot pokers for dagger xmogs

[shrewd night]

Not transmogging into salmons?

[fleet carbon]

Salmons would be fun, but the pokers remind you to call him father

[autumn bloom]

dps > dicks per second

[solid nova]

Doritos Per Salsa

[civic palm]

Damage per Scrotum

[fleet carbon]

The master poisoner never pulls out

[shrewd night]

I uh

Totally read that name as powerpoon just now

[civic palm]

Ditto O _O

[solid nova]

Names a lie

We all know Peons are Lazy

[fleet carbon]

Not if we're on the yayo

Peon work dust

[autumn bloom]

me not that kind of orc

[shrewd night]

zug zug

[fleet carbon]

Work complete

[autumn bloom]

what you want?

[fleet carbon]

Dabu

[shrewd pine]

Me busy. Leave me alone.

[fleet carbon]

No time for play.

[steep obsidian]

dead channel

[shrewd pine]

[steep obsidian]

ded gaem

[vestal wren]

we will see more discussions once pre patch hits or close to that

[steep obsidian]

you mean more "wut spec is best" and "wut talents do i take"

yar

[vestal wren]

well i think the latest pin in #456965066638753802 should help with that

[shrewd night]

implying new people read pins

[shrewd pine]

implying people read

[vestal wren]

we have this nice emote

[shrewd night]

implying people read pins even when pointed towards specific pins

[shrewd pine]

implying that we are implying about us implying

[shrewd night]

implying that Im implying about implying

[shrewd pine]

did you just implied my implification?

[hybrid quarry]

I got cancer reading this

[royal bronze]

Hey guys I'm new-ish to rogue and was just wondering if anyone could take a look at my logs and tell my why I'm parsing so low

[shrewd pine]

post em

[royal bronze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9Xdnh7mkvyPCtzWa/#fight=7&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9Xdnh7mkvyPCtzWa/#fight=7&type=damage-done&source=6

[shrewd pine]

opener is wrong

you are holding toxic blade too much

and other issues

just a read guide man

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[royal bronze]

I read the guide and I understand tb before kb is better but can anyone explain why?

[strange python]

tb has a shorter cooldown than kb.

over the course of the fight, if you only save tb for kb, then you are missing out on tb casts

[royal bronze]

Yeah I get that so you always tb on cd over the whole fight

But for the opener, why do you tb before kb when you could wait 2-3s can get the tb at the 9s window

For more dps true?

Only hold tb for max 5s for kb or max 10s for kb+vend

[strange python]

it does more damage

[royal bronze]

oh okayu

pretty simple thx

[lean hill]

Everyone is so hung up on that 9 seconds

[strange python]

since the first tb is in the mantle crit window

and the subsequent initial kb hits pretty hard

[lean hill]

TB on cooldown, ignore that 9 seconds shit

[royal bronze]

ok well thats easier

ill just do that if its more or equal dps

and i dont have mantle connor but i see what you mean

[strange python]

ah okay. sorry for assuming.

[lean hill]

Timing that TB/KB stuff if done perfectly is a tiny increase

[strange python]

if the fight is short enough that you don't miss any tb casts then theoretically I guess it is more dmg

[lean hill]

I dont think anyone bothers, not worth the effort when you can do the same damage using it on cooldown

[strange python]

also need to be aware of its cd so you aren't on low energy when it comes up

[vestal wren]

🎉 updated the bfa sims in the pin in #456965066638753802 👀 OH MY ... LOOK AT THAT sustained aoe damage

[strange python]

thanks fuu.

[royal bronze]

okay thanks guys

[strange python]

also nexon. you need to get the gift of the sky buff on argus. not gift of the sea

you should also try and log with Advanced Combat Logging enabled in the in-game settings.

otherwise, we can't see your gear and other stats like combo point generation over time (one of the first things I check is wasted combo points)

[royal bronze]

OK great thanks heaps Connor 😃

[dim ravine]

Heyo, weird question ahead! :: I'm encountering a super-weird issue when looking for an assa rogue WA (bought new laptop, decided to revamp everything etcetc), every web page associated with a specific WA related to sin rogues just automatically closes, any idea wtf? or rather can anyone send me some reasonable WA string @ private message? 😮

(cant open pages from that, not @ pastebin, wago, github)

[shrewd pine]

[dim ravine]

@gusty kestrel Yeah I have ofc, also different browsers (opera firefox chrome and even IE!!) all do the same

Thanks :/

[gray creek]

Are there any pawn strings for rogue i could get?

[fiery nest]

?

you get your personal pawn string when simming with raidbots

[gray creek]

oh well okay then lemme do that quick thanks :D

[burnt lagoon]

if i dont crit in the opener do i 3 point rupture?

[fiery nest]

the guide has the opener to use w/o shoulders

[burnt lagoon]

that would mean 3 point rupture

[plain thistle]

3 cp rupture is not a problem at all

[burnt lagoon]

not saying its a problem, im asking if its better than mutilating twice

[plain thistle]

on the opener? thats like 1x mutilate or 1x 3cp rupture, the difference is not noticible

[burnt lagoon]

alright

[plain thistle]

ill change the APL to rupture all fight with 3+ cp and ill link to you, the difference is minimal

[civic palm]

Minimal to no loss even.

[plain thistle]

yup

[patent quarry]

I cant believe after all that shit they are back together

[civic palm]

O _O 💦

[vestal wren]

rupture is cp neutral, so using it on 3 is not a big deal

[civic palm]

Yep. The only concern is refresh timing, which isn't a problem considering our plentiful time for consideration.

[lone junco]

Dead. 💀

[fathom patio]

how 2 macro pick pocket

[royal bronze]

Do the legendaries you have change affect how well your parse/

[shrewd night]

..Uh, yes?

[royal bronze]

Ty

Can anyone take a look at something for me and tell me why I'm parsing so low?

[shrewd night]

Sure, link logs

[royal bronze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/whW8gZGbNaA67FQ4/#fight=last&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/whW8gZGbNaA67FQ4#fight=2&type=damage-done

[fiery nest]

opener is all wrong, suggest reading the guide at the top of this discord window

[shrewd night]

Yeah, was typing some shit but saw the state of your gear. While its not the worst Ive seen, the combination of low itemlevel and bad leggos does have a factor on your performance.

[royal bronze]

Yeah my leggos are trash

But is my opener correct?

I have 7 or 8 leggos all bottom tier

[shrewd night]

Any of them is surely better than the ring

And no, you double muti while guide says one.

[royal bronze]

Insignia + Crown sims better than Crown + Ravenholdt

Better than all combos actually

[shrewd night]

Sim yourself with the different leggos, one of them IS better than argus ring.

[royal bronze]

Because I run 3 NLC shadow traits

I've simmed crown + all combos, none sim betetr

[shrewd night]

Thats some scuffed prio then

[autumn bloom]

argus ring is a good lego

if you have good crucible traits

yeah jsut work on getting your opener down

since you dont have shoulders

your opener is getting ur subterfuge garrote out then getting a 3+cp rupture asap

you pop vendetta and tb>kb>env

and then you vanish when garrote is in pandemic

[royal bronze]

I have all shadow traits, and I got pretty lucky on my 3rd tier traits. Insignia pulls ahead of ravenhodlt by about 90k dps and ravenholdt pulls ahead of Prydaz about 50k dps so its about ~140k improvement.

[autumn bloom]

and that's...basically it

[royal bronze]

Ok cool thanks

So it is ok to 3cp a rupture?

[autumn bloom]

yea

[royal bronze]

Even without shoulders

[autumn bloom]

rupture is cp neutral

the only thing cp affects is duration

[royal bronze]

Okay and I should vanish the next garrote and not the next rupture??

[autumn bloom]

your first one is gonna be 3 cp because getting it on asap is important so you can vendetta

if you are running subterfuge

[royal bronze]

Ok ok thank you so much guys

[autumn bloom]

you vanish the garrote when your first garrote is in pandemic

[royal bronze]

I run nightstalker atm

[steep obsidian]

why does it show 57 traits

go do the quest?

[autumn bloom]

if you are running nightstalker instead you will vanish a 6cp rupture in pandemic

[royal bronze]

I've done it I think it's a bug @steep obsidian

[shrewd night]

It shows 60 for me with empowered artifact

[royal bronze]

I'm at max traits for kb

kingslayers sorry

[steep obsidian]

yeah wcl seems a bit scuffed

its showhing gems as 9 mastery n shit

i guess it been upgraded for the pre patch already

[shrewd night]

BFA ready bois

[steep obsidian]

or some parts have

[royal bronze]

Yeah it's weird but thanks guys means a lot

I'll work on my opener and hope for a leggo that's not trash tier before bfa lmao

[autumn bloom]

haha dont sweat it too much

do ur dailies for essence if it's important to you

[steep obsidian]

i wouldnt expec to parse well with that gear tbh even if you played perfectly

[autumn bloom]

just focus on getting comfortable with the class

[shrewd night]

Iunno dawg, my prio would likely change to get a leggo that will help leveling rather than raw deeps

[autumn bloom]

luckily the best leveling lego is also one of the better ones

(mantle)

[shrewd night]

Shoulder/Pants, just for shiggles

[autumn bloom]

pants wont be as good

[royal bronze]

I've been doing dailies averaging about 800-900 ess/week but yeah

[autumn bloom]

cos feint cd

[royal bronze]

Just want to improve thats all

Ty heaps guys

[autumn bloom]

np, let us know how it goes

[fathom patio]

does anyone have a pick pocket macro

[steep obsidian]

i dun see anything that terrible

[shrewd night]

Warmode and not getting ganked will be nice tho

/cast pick pocket

Boom, done.

[autumn bloom]

if u wanna get really advanced

[steep obsidian]

you could pool energy a bit more you sit below 50 most of the fight

[autumn bloom]

/cast [@mouseover,nodead] pick pocket; pick pocket

[steep obsidian]

you can safely get to 100 espec before you kb

[autumn bloom]

if u guys dont use mouseover macros for multidotting it is a ///game changer///

[royal bronze]

Oh yeah that was another question

I always find myself energy starved and I know it's my fault but I'm not too sure where I'm going wrong

[shrewd night]

Gear and critlevels

[royal bronze]

I think I'm spamming too many envenoms

[steep obsidian]

gear helps a lot with that

[autumn bloom]

gear does help

[royal bronze]

Ah okay

[autumn bloom]

but also remember sin is not a GCD locked cast

[steep obsidian]

4p is pretty big

[royal bronze]

I can just wait it out then

[autumn bloom]

there are times you won't cast every GCD

i think it's actually the lowest apm in the game

[steep obsidian]

if you feel like you falling behind just don't press buttons for a while

unless you REALLy need to

[autumn bloom]

instead of envenoming on cooldown

[steep obsidian]

it happens a lot that is just how it plays

[autumn bloom]

try to do it at the last second to keep the buff up

unless ur in TB

[royal bronze]

yeah thats what i tend to do I'll just stop pressing shit unless i need to refresh garr or rup so i have energy for tb or kb

[autumn bloom]

then u wanna get as many out as possible

[royal bronze]

but crown helps alot with kb energy usage

but I do find ymself sitting ~50 energy for majority of the fight

[steep obsidian]

yeah that is a good point crown is a bit ♿ mode for kb

[autumn bloom]

keep an eye on ur timers aswell since they'll inform you of what to do next

[steep obsidian]

if you stop using it it you dhave to pool a bit more

[autumn bloom]

as sin i try to think in terms of my dot windows

like

"im at 3cp but garrote is at 10 seconds left"

"im at 6cp but rupture is at 12 seconds left"

for the first situation ill probably mutilate and envenom because i know i have enough time

for the second ill wait the 4 seconds to pandemic refresh at 8 seconds

[royal bronze]

i mean then wouldnt it depend on hm energy you have

if ur near cap jusst envenom and mutilate mutilate

if not then just hold

maybe im misudnerstanding but isnt capping energy like super super bad

[fiery nest]

not as bad as refreshing a bleed during kb or not clipping an envenom

[steep obsidian]

its just good practice to get into paying attention to pooling regardless anyway, in my gear i can mash buttons and do fine but you won't get away with that in bfa

[fiery nest]

true

[steep obsidian]

it plays slooow as fuck at 120

i dunno how the secondary stat scaling is gonna work though

[autumn bloom]

I love sin

But I also love sub

Outlaw is...yeah anyway I love sin

[fervent lodge]

chadlaw is best spec

[autumn bloom]

I think I'm probably gonna do prog as sin because it's slower paced so I find it easier to do mechanics

[fading sandal]

Sub needs some real love to make it good for progression

[topaz axle]

I am going to prog with whatever spec is best of the three

[cloud frigate]

^ brains

[fiery nest]

i already changed all my gear to outlaw in prep for the prepatch 😮

had a lot of haste vers gear thanks to shit coining

970 haste vers and 975 haste vers with socket rings, ez

[topaz axle]

we don't really know what stats we'll be targeting yet, but haste/vers definitely seems strong. I'm wondering which lego's we'll be using for the month prior to launch, and for leveling

[fiery nest]

yea i was talkinga bout outlaw gear lol thought i was in offtopic

need sleep

[cloud frigate]

mantle seems strong

tbh

[autumn bloom]

Imo it's definitely gonna be mantle for every spec

[fiery nest]

the 100% crit isn't going away so year

ye

[topaz axle]

pretty sure boots might be making a resurgeance

bracers got a buff with bleeds being scaled with mastery imo

[steep obsidian]

who knows

the double stacked cloak is pretty good too

will be the go to for some trash pull

[autumn bloom]

Hb and cloak still stacks?

That's fucking nuts lol

[steep obsidian]

yeh it does

it also stacks with flying daggers pvp talent for pvp lulz if you can find 3 people afking

and flagged

[strange python]

it hardly puts a dent into 120

[steep obsidian]

im not talking about a 120

cloak doesnt work at 120

[strange python]

110 vs 120

.....

[topaz axle]

seeing as we're talking pre-patch the whole 120 thing is irrelevant

[steep obsidian]

we talking about pre patch builds

[strange python]

oh ok the nerfed leggo cloak in wpvp

got it

[autumn bloom]

Nerfed :?

[topaz axle]

stacked with new talent cloak*

[strange python]

its only good in pve

[topaz axle]

go read the prior messages

[strange python]

u arent going to do anything to anyone in pvp with both talents

[topaz axle]

flying daggers pvp talent, cloak talent, cloak passive

[strange python]

i know how it works

[topaz axle]

that will probably take 3 people to half health easy.'

[strange python]

flying daggers was nerfed tho

just go on the ptr and try it all

[autumn bloom]

Yeah it got nerfed by like

75%

Used to be 150% dmg increadr

50% now

If fan of knives does 70k damage a fully stacked cloak by itself should do 35m

Unless I fucked my math

[strange python]

at 110 it does like 300k

pre patch

[autumn bloom]

Before cloak?

Wait is the stat squish happening at prepatch

[strange python]

thats everything

including flying dagger

[fiery nest]

yes squish and ability/class changes are pre patch

[autumn bloom]

Ooo

That's gonna be disorienting :s

[fiery nest]

artifacts will change as well

everything except the new zones and leveling content pretty much

[shrewd night]

Slotting highest possible relics 👌

[fiery nest]

ya

but

actually having saved high ilvl shit relics

[shrewd night]

Get that shit out of here @ivory peak

[topaz axle]

if only my toon was able to obtain titanforged gear 😃

[fiery nest]

who does that

[topaz axle]

don't think i've had a relic drop over 965

[fiery nest]

sure as hell have'nt been raiding lately

[topaz axle]

kill garothi->Agg->Arg every mythic reset

[fiery nest]

we were doing that

then summer happened and ppl going on vacation and shit

cba to recruit just for people to get CE and leave

[shrewd night]

We did the math this past raid, all but one dude is getting shackled

[fiery nest]

got like 8 or 9 mounts before that happened lol

i didnt get one 😦

[topaz axle]

think my guilds about to get in on the CE/mount for gold market

also, sorry for clouding this chat with off-topic

[shrewd night]

Doing the bosses the week of prepatch is going to be one giant

[fiery nest]

better offtopic than that shitbird's self promo

[shrewd night]

^

[topaz axle]

fair enough. I think prepatch bosses will go down extremely easy

but probably gonna be bugged to hell

[wispy leaf]

I guess the bosses will get a nerf aswell when prepatch hits

[shrewd night]

Not being able to cloak or feint as often as I used to

[fiery nest]

lol u think?

we'll be doing 8k dps

so unless the fights are gonna last 8 hours they will probably nerf the bosses yes

[wispy leaf]

I mean besides the stat squish thingy

[shrewd night]

Players arent the only things getting statsquished though

[fiery nest]

mhmm

[shrewd night]

Not like Argus will still be there with 1 billion + hp

[strange python]

with a 70 ilvl diff in my favour i did about 40% of a 110s health with the combo

[shrewd pine]

<@&224906552333697025> we had a dude self promoting here, please take care of it 😃 Mucho love ❤

[shrewd night]

Pinging the singular shadowblade

Everybody ded this morning

[shrewd pine]

[sharp viper]

i think community figures could help out with that as well if any wer around

[strange python]

do i become shadowblade if i report people? like runescape?

[shrewd pine]

No. Your opinion would have to be relevant in order to become one.

[strange python]

ur way too easy

[shrewd night]

oof

[strange python]

its like the guy at school who gets bullied and when the teacher is around he starts talking shit

[shrewd night]

Because bullies are the gems of society

[jovial kite]

hmm

Better ping the despots

[steep obsidian]

same

[shrewd pine]

I'm not that brave.

[gusty plinth]

how much crit you need for bleed build

[warm parcel]

In order to function? 0
In order to do okay? A lot
In order to beat tb? Quite a bit more

[shrewd night]

No more blue weak

What's dis

[warm parcel]

I always was yellow

Since NH

It represents alacrity

Mhm

[strange python]

Serrated Edge or Poison knives?

[lone junco]

@gusty plinth My bleed set is like 50% crit. but it takes a lot more than that to have it beat the green builds. If you like high crit builds, try EP/TB Insig/Boot(bracer)

RIP exang tho. I got to do a clear last night. Holy poop do I love it.

[hoary copper]

@strange python !relics

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[chrome tusk]

Alright, @ivory peak has been warned because 'self promotion is not allowed don't do it again'.

[spare cloud]

@vestal wren who except you and giggle is still shadowblade

[vestal wren]

good question, i assume no-one atm

[spare cloud]

can't you just check the rank?

[vestal wren]

only the active mods remained shadowblades

[spare cloud]

or do you not have permission

[vestal wren]

ye only we 2

[spare cloud]

that means @gusty kestrel and @plain thistle will be accepted soon

[vestal wren]

we will see, but we might need some moderation power for bfa

so new shadowblades will likely follow

[spare cloud]

are tisumi and jhonwei your favorites as well

or are you not judging

as a shadowblade

[vestal wren]

well everything is atm in progress

we likely have a word in that reguard but the end decision is not from us

[spare cloud]

So no judging

kk

[keen inlet]

We need to iron out the rules first

[spare cloud]

Get shadowblades

let them make the rules

thats what you have the slaves for

[hoary copper]

We have rules here?

[spare cloud]

Don't use perjovatives

[hoary copper]

Xae for SB!

[manic vigil]

[steep obsidian]

🤢

[civic palm]

I have a 🔨 .

[blazing bridge]

What’s people wearing for boots?

I have mantle and training shackles

[civic palm]

Excuse me?

[blazing bridge]

Suggestions for footwear?

[civic palm]

SIM your choices?

[blazing bridge]

That’s your suggestion? Is to go to the simulators?

[topaz axle]

it's impossible to answer without knowing stat priorities for you personal character. the easy answer is whatever provides the most mastery, but it's not that simple

[civic palm]

and given whatever disparity there is between item levels, even the stats (eg.mastery/etc.) might not line up as usual.

SIM your options for the most accurate answer.

[blazing bridge]

Is there a thought for max mastery on poison build?

[civic palm]

There is no max.

[lone junco]

@blazing bridge are you in a band? kindof look like Ozzy. but not 95yrs old.

[civic palm]

Other than the literal maximum mastery possible from having all 985.

[blazing bridge]

So 200% is still ok?

[civic palm]

Probably.

[blazing bridge]

Ok...any suggestions on which sim?

[fiery nest]

Raidbots.com

[civic palm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[strange python]

lmao noobe

[old quartz]

if boots&bracers sim within same % w/mantle, which are you goin with?

[civic palm]

Whichever you find more interesting to play.

[fiery nest]

bracers for longer execute phases/add phases, boots are good if you can get another vendetta off if you use them, depends on kill time

[spare cloud]

does it work here

[prime void]

Don't play shoulders

Boom sin becomes 10x more fun

[autumn bloom]

...how?

[steep obsidian]

lol an isp blocking a website they don't like is free speech gl america have fun

[civic palm]

Weeeeeee NetNeutrality is BAD!! O _O"

[steep obsidian]

same

[civic palm]

Which website ya talkin aboot?

[steep obsidian]

was just reading some random articles

[civic palm]

Companies are people 👌

[steep obsidian]

sorry for the

oops this is sin

sorry

[civic palm]

SURE IS

[steep obsidian]

same

[wintry solar]

why do i get the impression people who say same in a meme way are old out of the loop memers

inb4 same

[civic palm]

Annoyingly, with most politics those issues tend to be regional, whereas the US being cunts about routing influences an annoying amount of people.

[plain thistle]

#off-topic before don get here 😃

[civic palm]

PUSH THE LIMITS O _O

[steep obsidian]

same was a thing in the 90s its just an online speech pattern i picked up

[civic palm]

Just don't fucking say gn8 and not GN, or good night.

[steep obsidian]

gn8 is a german thing

[civic palm]

I know.

[lone junco]

Gluten nacht

[onyx rock]

Guten Acht

[haughty lily]

for kingaroth, do i wait to use vendetta and vanish on first pull for adds?

(mythic)

or would i just go with my regular opener

and use it on cd

[exotic glen]

what you said first

if you save it for adds and use the lego boots

you can use vendetta on adds > boss > adds > boss etc

and vanish will line up with adds

[haughty lily]

okay cool thanks

[jolly merlin]

Hey guys for M Argus, do I go with legendary boots to have vendetta up for each module?

[steep obsidian]

im not sure if people vendetta modules ive never done the fight but logs of rogues use boots bracers on that fight

or have

[civic palm]

The only time people moved from Bracers was due to their guild fucking obliterating the final phase.

[jolly merlin]

Hmmm I see. We were thinking of letting the rogues handle the modules while the rest focus Argus. Hence the question of using boots for vendetta for each module.

[jovial kite]

its better to have everyone except the rage players on module

Boss dmg wont be an issue with these nerfs

But you can fuck up if modules grow too much

[steep obsidian]

no people use boots/bracers in logs ive seen or at least a few months ago

who knows now

that seems like weird strat though xhie especially of the boss is sub 35% when sin will be like one of the top dps

on the boss

[jovial kite]

Theres so much things that can go wrong

I wouldnt leave 1-4 rogues to do the modules :p

just have everyone dps them down

[jolly merlin]

Ok guys. Thanks for the input. Will pass it along to my team.

Hopefully we can get him down this weekend. Best attempts so far has been 18%

But we are consistently getting to p3 so I’m hopeful.

[jovial kite]

Gl!

[deep beacon]

This might be a dumb question... but should I be trying to keep spamming envenom with kingsbane up.... or wait until the surge is gonna fade off before. Is there a benefit between slamming as many enveoms between the kingsbane start and finish or it just surge uptime ?

And i guess there is some edge to pooling a bit of energy so you can prepare for some envenoms when you launch KB

[jolly merlin]

For me I always pool and envenom just before envenom or sot debuff is about to expire if I get a lucky 4CP mutilate so that I can get 2 mutilates in before the envenom buff drops if I don’t get lucky with crits.

Hmmm I think I need to work on my English.

[steep obsidian]

that was ok

[jolly merlin]

Barely could understand that when I read that myself.

Lol

[steep obsidian]

i understand it but maybe thats because I understand what you are trying to explain u do 😛

[jolly merlin]

Lol

I always feel the more crucial part about KB is making sure to refresh rupture to avoid casting rupture during KB. That’s the mistake I always make and the feeling sucks when envenom buff drops during KB.

[solid nova]

You should be pushing 100% envenom uptime during KB.

Pretty sure its even in the guide 🤷

[jolly merlin]

Do you guys delay KB to refresh rupture during pandemic or just refresh rupture even when it’s not pandemic like if rupture has 10s left and KB is up.

[sharp viper]

with sufficient crit and t21 4set you can easily fit a rupture refresh in during kb

[shrewd pine]

worth noting you dont have to do 4-5 CP rupture. 2 CP one will do its job.

[fiery nest]

^ this tbh, refreshing bleeds during KB is a dps loss

[tender folio]

So are we decent in BFA as spec ? Cus I only enjoy playing assa next to other specs :/

[shrewd pine]

sims are pinnged in #456965066638753802 or #385145484559253506

[tender folio]

tyy

[river magnet]

Should i take the cinidaria belt or SotS?

while raiding

[lunar agate]

[strange python]

Sorry if this is pinned somewhere but has anyone played with the azerite traits enough to determine which would be ideal for a poison build? Right now I'm rocking the garrote=3cp and 2 of the envemon window enhancing ones. Doing between 6k DPS on trash and with good rng procs 8-10 on bosses in norm dungeons

[shrewd pine]

No. Azerite traits havent been simmed yet. Afaik.

[strange python]

@shrewd pine Thanks man. I'm feeling some will be good for early max level until we get higher secondary stats.

[shrewd pine]

All these traits are dungeon ones.

We didnt see raid ones yet.

So yea, early game.

[strange python]

For sure. I think the raid ones might be previewable in the dungeon journal. I haven't checked since the last beta patch

[bronze spindle]

Any good WA's for assassination rogues?

[shrewd pine]

wago.io

search for it

and pick one u like and think works

[strange python]

there's also a weakaura package in the pins by Notter.

or, there was

@bronze spindle I really liked Notters WA and only had to do some minor adjustments for it. Mostly resizing and repositioning

[visual sedge]

Yo, new here. Does rupture still do the same damage every cp?

and if i have 4cp, should i just throw a finisher?

[lone junco]

@visual sedge focus on uptime. typ it is 4 or 5cp. occasionally I use 3cp if I made a mistake somewhere or am about to get into a TB window. I aim for 3 env during TB, no room for a badly timed rupture.

but yes. ruptures are the same dmg. cp is just duration

[visual sedge]

Ah alright, thanks for the great answer

Clears it up for me

[lone junco]

it scales Surge of Toxins, so we dont want to go spamming 1cp ruptures all day. but its not the end of the world.

unless you play exang. cause you want a 6cp rupture on a 5-6cp rupture at the exang.

[visual sedge]

I see

[lone junco]

but no one should play that anymore but me.

[steep obsidian]

i played it for one boss on garoth coz i was bored

it wasnt horrible

but no phat shoulder bombs

[lone junco]

I love it. Very smooth. But Im in a weird 2ndary spot due to ilvl and gear. Its the highest by a reasonable margin.

but add in another 30% mastery from mythic ilvl and it shifts around.

[steep obsidian]

i did just over 2 million in 3 mins on that one boss i played it for

[lone junco]

makes for some meme ilvl runs.

[steep obsidian]

im pretty sure i sucked at it and munched my empowered rupture once

[lone junco]

i dont even have anything tracking that, but Its glued to my muscle memory.

I tried frost mage last night. and holy shit, i dont want to learn all those buffs/timings.

there is QoL value for knowing the spec blindfolded.

[steep obsidian]

i used to have my rupture and garrote timer go green when it was empoered

i need to find that wa again

[lone junco]

I have it for Subterfuge and NS.

[steep obsidian]

im normally ok at it

[lone junco]

but never did for exang.

[steep obsidian]

yeh

[lone junco]

i was mashing all kinds of buttons as frost and only 400k. at least my fire is like 1.1m st

I heard there are flight time issues with the frosty fingers and shit.

so im probably borking it horribly

[steep obsidian]

i wouldnt be surprised if xsang ends up being the go to spec in bfa just like it was at the start of this expac

[lone junco]

i dunno. vendetta with no cdr is pretty shitty.

[steep obsidian]

i dunno frost doesnt seem that hard but you sorta need legos and tier or it relaly really sucks

that is a good point

[hoary copper]

That's odd cause frost is the easier of the two

Its less leggo dependent than fire

I do OK with fire, but idk what Im doing wrong I feel like I should do a lot more at 930 than I do

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