assassination

[marble hemlock]

well, most high-prio targets are immune to stuns 😦

[lone junco]

Prob trash all together. Like the time I got outlaw to 94% crit with shark fishing.

[strange python]

dummies don't have kidneys!

[marble hemlock]

but nightstalker crimson tempest with sephuz proc might be pretty cool

[lone junco]

Blind a trash mob.

Ye

[marble hemlock]

i mean

can just bloodelf for proc

or 1cp kidney

or grenade

[lone junco]

Aww man. Do the artifacts die on prepatch?

Rip bota dreams.

Hope they don't grey out right away. I want some memes.

[marble hemlock]

might just go

subterfuge

and proc sephuz with the garrote silence

[fast nacelle]

i had 11m opener yday

in m+

[lone junco]

Pbomb glory.

I had a nice one as sub a few weeks back in Court on the imps. We had 3dps all finishing at 15M

But I don't play big boy keys.

[fast nacelle]

i had it ST .. i think every finisher procced PB + i had 2 conc procs in a row

my penis got so erect

also in hov after first boss i played assa on the big big pull

and had like 30m dps opener and 20 after everything was ded

was so fun to see how you can go from 6m dps to 30m

depending on how much you believe in pbs

[marble hemlock]

its actually ridiculous when you proc a bomb during concordance

[fast nacelle]

yeah

i pmuch solod first pack

in the bigpull

didnt even know it has so much influence

[lone junco]

Conc on a bota exang is the money maker for raid. I have seen a 40M single rupture.

Was on slackjack. But still. That was old conc. New one should be juicy.

[marble hemlock]

conc is pretty insane when it lines up with our procs

no procs = 6mil opener right now, with procs you get between 8-12mil

absolutely nuts

[steep obsidian]

maybe i should actually do some stuff other then gold missions eh

[marble hemlock]

maybe 😄

[steep obsidian]

gonna help some noobs with keys tomorrow 😛

well not noobs friends who came back to the game

cant wait!

[lone junco]

I sold a bunch of trade stuff. Liquidated weeds and inks.

Was like 300k worth of shit.

[fast nacelle]

i pushed inscription on my wl earlier

[lone junco]

I got hosed on wod stuff.

[fast nacelle]

does anyone know how bfa profs work?

[lone junco]

The priest/mage scrolls will be good for bfa. Not sure how profitable they will be tho.

[fast nacelle]

same as legion? like you dont need to max anything and can do shit by lvl 1

[lone junco]

I haven't touched it. I did a char copy tho. Could look around for the quests soon.

[fast nacelle]

i liked legion profs but i disliked the rng with different ranks tbh

especially for pots and starlight rose rank 2

[strange python]

I did some herbing on the beta. Immediately got quests from the herb dude for rank 2 and 3 of x herb.

Unsure if it's just a beta thing for people to test the ranks

[marble hemlock]

i wonder if theyre gonna disable stuff like skystep/avalanche for bfa dungeons

or whether these potions will still be used all the time

[lone junco]

@marble hemlock I had never seen the avalanche potion used until MDI finals.

made me lol.

I should watch more streams i guess.

[marble hemlock]

😛

[autumn bloom]

just got execute bracers from a RBG

and ppl call pvp a minigame

PSHAW

[fleet whale]

I got the sub leggo gloves like the week after 7.2.5 from a random bg

no one knew they were good back then

[fiery nest]

Those gloves became good with the nerfs to boots

Wasn't that they were always good

[rich lynx]

@lone junco Avalanche potions were heavily used on Mythic Avatar of Sarg progression in Tomb, too. Shaved off a few seconds on fall + no fall damage.

[sand plume]

are boots/bracers generally better than shoulders now?

[prime void]

Sim it?

[sand plume]

Was just wondering in general while I get everything back up to date. Haven't played in a while and I read it in a guide so was curious.

[prime void]

There's multiple viable Lego builds.

[autumn bloom]

boots/bracers are generally bis for exsang with i think...2 MA relics?

because then vendetta aligns with exsang

[prime void]

Boots bracers can also be bis for MP

Ring boots is strong as well. Just sim yourself.

[sand plume]

Will do - thanks

[violet river]

So ive read the ravenholdt guide on sin, and though its helped a lot, ive had some questions on situations that happen during a boss fight. although its probably due to my error on a not so perfect rotation, ive had it happen where vendetta is about 10-15 seconds on cd while kingsbane is ready to use. in that situation do i just wait it out or do i use kingsbane, then use vendetta off cd?

[exotic glen]

use kingsbane

[autumn bloom]

yeah 15 seconds is a long time

[violet river]

and is the rotation for each just mut-env-mut-env when used?

assuming the bleeds are up

[fiery nest]

during kb? no

never really

low cp evenom is ok during kb to keep buff up

but shouldnt be priority

[violet river]

ok, just trying to understand optimal rotations but with varying situations its hard to find a guide that answers it all

what is the best route to go after using kb?

[fiery nest]

same as without it up

except you can do a low cp envenom if the buff is about to run out which shouldnt really happen

try to get as many in during kb and tb, its why you pool

[violet river]

oh so no env after each combo point? i saw a guide saying as many env in the window as possible helps, but i didnt know if it was a spam or

[fiery nest]

yeah don't do that lmao

[violet river]

ok lol, thanks for the tips though. im sure ill have many more but it should be good for now

one more lol, is there a certain youtuber that makes guides that the community tends to agree is one that knows what theyre talking about or is the website really the only good source of info?

[fiery nest]

the guides and more so the pins in this discord will have the most up to date information

hard to update a youtube vid unless you use a bunch of ugly notations over the content

[civic palm]

Also most of the youtube videos just take from the guides O _O

"take"

Agree with is a better phrase there.

[steep obsidian]

the only youtuber i can think of is infexious i have no idea about this content though i havent watched it

[lone junco]

@marble hemlock just ran my first double sin Upper. went relatively smooth.

i won of course.

[exotic glen]

its all about winning

[lone junco]

ofc. we had nearly identical gear. so Ill take it

2.2m overall. i had good wryms.

[neat umbra]

Any recs for decent trinkets that I can get to drop reliably at heroic/raid finder ilvls? trying to gear up and im sick of how infrequently trinkets drop to the effect that both my trinkets are still ilvl 800 when everything else I have is 860-880

Maybe stuff from like? WQs?

[lone junco]

@neat umbra the Dogs in Antorus boss 2. use your 3x bonus rolls there.

[neat umbra]

ilvl too low for antorus but 👍

I took 5 years off at the end of MOP and just came back in late april im way behind lol

[lone junco]

just a few more weeks, and we will all be wearing the same 118 blues.

nbd

[neat umbra]

True enough, I just wanna get as geared as I can before BFA to say I did

Make me feel like I did back in WOTLK when I was an ICC raider

not a great one, mind you, but we made a push every reset

[strange python]

Hmm get to Argus ASAP so you can buy 910 gear

Although if you just came back IDK how long it will take to get there

[neat umbra]

Gotcha, as soon as I'm done with suramar (2.5k from exalted) I'm gonna start the argus quest

I have the quest to get on the boat that i think takes me to argus

ive barely done any of legionfall though aha

[strange python]

you can skip legionfall/broken shore

[neat umbra]

oh okay cool it just looks like more grindy grind with none of the Fun Shit suramar had

[violet river]

fun, suramar 😬

argus imo is more fun

[neat umbra]

it was grindy as fuck but there was at least a good story to it idk

[autumn bloom]

@neat umbra relinquished trinks from argus vendor are your best bet

can tf up to 945

i have a 940 memento of angerboda that was actually pretty great until i got scourgewing

[drifting cloud]

they can tf to cap not just 945

[autumn bloom]

really?

i thought TF cap was 35 ilvls

[drifting cloud]

if tf has a cap its definetly more than 90

atleast ive seen that high

[autumn bloom]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

shows what i know

[neat umbra]

Ooooh excellent, thansk! I'll start on Argus asap then

[drifting cloud]

but yeah you can buy relinq tokens for any slot and those items start at 910 and can then wf/tf

they can even turn into a legendary

and the argus chain isnt that long 2-3h, mostly depends on gear/class

[fiery nest]

TF has a cap

it's 985

[lilac coral]

ahhhhh, 3 MA relics with the boots 💦

[violet river]

just got the lego pants, what a game changer for soloing. absolutely in love with the class now

[crimson coral]

ive tanked world bosses with those

[violet river]

907 tanking elite rares in argus, i didnt think it would be that easy

[crimson coral]

lol yeah the healing output plus our dodge rate makes for insane survivability

[violet river]

i assume that lego and the shoulders are best for wpvp

or whats left of it lol

[crimson coral]

thats usually what i run

[violet river]

only ones ive had drop are cyn and the pants. dont have much playtime though. biggest regret was not starting earlier with the class

[crimson coral]

yeah i really changed mains pretty late in the xpack too.. zoldyck was my 2nd last sin lego so I had bis leggos for like the last 2 weeks my guild raided, lol

[violet river]

haha bummer, at least you were able to use them the last two weeks though. you sticking with sin for bfa?

[crimson coral]

yeah, i might level as outlaw for a change of pace but i will almost certainly raid as sin

[violet river]

so pumped. going to be fun having the advantage in warmode

[crimson coral]

yeah i cant wait, dont think i will ever unflag

i play on a really active wpvp server right now anyway

[violet river]

tich?

[crimson coral]

ED

[violet river]

thats what im on

ahh, how is that?

[crimson coral]

its not for everyone but i like it lol

Silithus was ridiculous the first day the artifact quest came out, absolute warzone

tons of wpvp but too much for a lot of people

its rppvp so silithus doesnt phase either, everyone on the server was on the same shard

[violet river]

sounds fun though lol, tich is just full of trade spam and ganking, but i love it anyway

[crimson coral]

yeah theres a few zerg guilds on ED that kinda reduce the quality of wpvp when theyre out 20v1'ing people but for the most part its fine

and as a rogue they dont bother me anyway

[pallid notch]

any clue of the threshold for crit% and EP being viable? currently at 33% and still running bracers/shoulders and MP

[fiery nest]

40

[undone lodge]

heya

[prime void]

33% crit is super low

I think I have 50 or 52

@pallid notch

[jovial kite]

depending on bb relics and shocklight tis 40-55

people also play builds that just ignore everything else except crit

and seem to do fine

but if you go with max ep sim the soft cap is somewhere beyond 50

[atomic grotto]

slack are u still playing exsang?

[jovial kite]

yeah

[halcyon pine]

hello

[jovial kite]

hey

[halcyon pine]

I'm looking for some help with my relics, if anybody is willing to help me out

[jovial kite]

sure

[halcyon pine]

would it be worth losing an master assassin trait (i have 3 currently) for 5 more ilvls and master alchemist?

[jovial kite]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/relic you can sim your relics here

cant really tell you an answer

but generally losing 3 master assassin traits to 2 is not a good in terms of dps

[halcyon pine]

thats what I figured..

[jovial kite]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/relic

if you want to be 100% sure you should sim your relics hrere

[halcyon pine]

but i will deffinetly checkout raidbots

i know having the 3 master assassin relics is huge dps increase

[cinder yoke]

going from 3-2 wont be a gigantic loss, and alchemist is worth a ton

generally, the first master assassin trait you get from relics is worth a shitload, and the next two are much lower

but simming is by far the best way to check relics since they're such a goddamn mess with nlc

master assassin also fluctuates in value depending on if you're running shoulders or boots

[alpine nest]

help me with the mage tower questline for assassination

[halcyon pine]

yeah, I'm using shoulders/bracers atm

[atomic grotto]

dont go from 3 MA to 2 MA

[lost horizon]

with shoulders+bracers 2 MAss will sim worse than 1 or 3 but

[atomic grotto]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/relics/1t-t21-rogue-assassination-mantle-bracers

[lost horizon]

i honestly wouldn't worry too much about it

[atomic grotto]

u can check it out here

[lost horizon]

best off simming the relic for your own character as was suggested before

[atomic grotto]

indeed

[halcyon pine]

simming them now, since I messed up the first sim lol

[atomic grotto]

but u can get a general idea here

[lost horizon]

but depending on the content, like MAss isn't great for M+

but MAlch is fantastic

[atomic grotto]

malch is really good in aoe too

[lost horizon]

yeah, exactly

[atomic grotto]

m.ass. is only ST

[lost horizon]

plus, depending how geared your character is

[halcyon pine]

bah, I'd be going from 2,07 to 2,03

[atomic grotto]

i wouldnt worry much about relics right now

prepatch inc

[lost horizon]

you may end up replacing it before BfA hits anyways, and it's not worth losing hair over

that too

[halcyon pine]

yeah I know that part is bothering me too, because I know at this point it dont even really matter anymore. Just always want to be best as I can

[lost horizon]

that's a good way to think

did you put in all the traits properly when simming the relics?

[halcyon pine]

yeah I'm pretty sure I did the 2nd time lol

[lost horizon]

relics each get 3 traits so, sometimes even a favourable trade in one slot

loses out cause of the secondary traits

[halcyon pine]

knew that damn relic wouldnt roll master assassin with the master alc was too good to be true 😛

[lost horizon]

hence why always gotta sim to be sure

[halcyon pine]

I'm pulling 2mill at 955ilvl i guess that isnt to bad

thank you for your time and help, I appreciate it

[jovial kite]

np man 😃

[brave gyro]

Do you save KB or TB for vendetta if you run wrists / boots? (on Argus Mythic specifically)

[shrewd pine]

[jovial kite]

saced

saved

[stark heart]

just ping despots or shadowblades lul

[polar grail]

anyone got a M argus lockout they aren't using?

[keen inlet]

@stark heart

[stark heart]

[exotic glen]

[fervent beacon]

[keen inlet]

[dire spoke]

nice endgame chat

rename all channels to #off-topic

[manic vigil]

Pull that stick out of your ass, man

[dire spoke]

was bistn jetzt so

[ripe nimbus]

Saying things are off topic is off topic get outta here

[solid nova]

Sounds like off topic @ripe nimbus

[ripe nimbus]

No u

[manic vigil]

[arctic venture]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[smoky bluff]

!rtb

ah, forgot it no longer exists

[fringe ginkgo]

annoys me that the pawn author never added a setting to ignore legendaries

😡

[vapid moth]

only took the whole xpac

[ripe nimbus]

Nicuuuuu

[exotic glen]

is there a way to access the old sims regarding the NS + DP bugs

showing the dps increase from PK relics?

[lone junco]

most public logs are 90days i think.

but you can pick by patch

[exotic glen]

was that an answer for me noobe?

[lone junco]

I think they ripped it out

let me check my uploads

@exotic glen they should be there.

[exotic glen]

im saying i'd like to see the sims im saying

[lone junco]

ah

hrrm

simc builds are probably out there.

I was mistaken and thought you wanted logs from that time.

[onyx falcon]

top is EoC, bottom is Shadow-singed

99 dmg difference

[civic palm]

👌

[lost horizon]

I know for me 970 Fang sims roughly equal to 955 EOC

So probably a similar ilvl spread

[proud sedge]

poison build or bleed build

[void pecan]

Yes

[lost horizon]

My 15ilvl spread was poison, with bleed thatd increase

It just depends on your Crit stat value, it'll be a bit different for everyone

[pallid notch]

What crit% is a semi-baseline before a bleed build might be viable

Obviously not looking for a solid set in stone number. Just some examples of when you made the switch

[prime void]

using bleed colors

doesnt play bleed

OUTTED

[strange python]

the red color used to mean assassination xd

[prime void]

a LONG time ago

[autumn bloom]

anyone who voluntarily identifies as assassination

yikes

i play sin like everyone else but at least i pretend like i dont

[prime void]

I like sin

Staring at my buttons with nothing to do is lit

[autumn bloom]

it feels good when it all lines up tho

[prime void]

plenty of downtime to smoke bowls during boss f ights

[autumn bloom]

it's nice to be able to be like

[prime void]

Sin doesnt feel rewarding to me at all

Unless I get an 11M opener

[autumn bloom]

"o shit in 15 seconds vendetta and vanish are gonna line up with execute"

"naisuuu"

[prime void]

naisuuu got no pbs

still did shit dmg

Monk did 800k more dps than me

[strange python]

@pallid notch at least 40%

[prime void]

lit

[autumn bloom]

yea but when you DO get the pb

during a TB

ayyy

[prime void]

I play ring feet 😃

[pallid notch]

Cool thanks @strange python

[autumn bloom]

0_o

[prime void]

52% crit

[autumn bloom]

is that with

anti?

[prime void]

anti ?

[autumn bloom]

10 combo points

[prime void]

no

https://i.imgur.com/vwQwCFe.png

[void pecan]

👌

The real sin build.

[plain thistle]

😃

[autumn bloom]

looks like the sin build from legion launch

lo

l

everyone ran EP during EN

[frail gate]

anyone simming higher than this? Keep seeing people talking about running ep and anticipation and other shit wondering if theres some new meta with the concordance buffs, playing 1133211 and bracers shoulders as you can see, have 3 master alch relics with a sprint trait and 2 mut crit traits

[plain thistle]

thats my sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5f3vrwA6d5HzYFr17XV6RT

and I know ppl that sim 2.6M+

with the same build im using (but using boots+ring instead of bracer+ring)

the "build" is ep+subterfuge with bracer/boots+raven ring, you run vigor like normally and not anti 😃

and a lot of crit, like 40%-45% ish

[frail gate]

yeah I have 35% crit and 216% mastery and im only simming that, but thats with normal poison ns build

testing sims now the other way

You're running old 2 piece?

[plain thistle]

yes 😃

but im using it even before this EP build

using it since the start of the tier basically

my sim without T20 2p for reference, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/voGTuYJy8M4yCarMWJwddQ

and thats with 980 ilvl, with T20 2p i have 975.6

[frail gate]

hmmmm

whats your crit

[void pecan]

high probably

I know the few in here that run it are around 50

[strange python]

52crit 90mast is new meta

[frail gate]

Without swapping gems or enchants and just equipping the right set, I have 46% crit and 185% mastery

If I swap crit I get an extra 10% crit

[plain thistle]

do a stats weight first

[solar willow]

why run 2p though

i don't get it

[strange python]

its a dps increase

[solar willow]

4p 2p with bracers and boots is better?

[strange python]

for him it was

[drifting cloud]

whats so hard to understand it sims more ;D

[autumn bloom]

because of the reduced energy?

[solar willow]

did the values of mastery and crit change?

[strange python]

nope

[plain thistle]

@solar willow yes, they change with every piece of gear you get 😃

like they normally do

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xdyZc8APmQaQv1Q3CcvQh2

hmm

[fast nacelle]

unlucky that i changed my MA + Mutilate 980 relict for MA + MA 960 relict else i could squeeze more dps for insignia build

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4mvUoi4Y7qCkGtyBvJQTcD insig

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hopfVFYptr7pNNTE3PNRwx mantle + brazzer

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rNFGPbpXCfVgShVQVFtLqa boots+brazzer

[supple hearth]

At least use <> around the links

[strange python]

sorry sir

[warm parcel]

Muti relics still have no effect on insignia

Its a separate roll on crits

[lone junco]

I like to see the graphic on the link.

so you dont have to click

[civic palm]

Yeah screw clicking through O _O

[fiery nest]

boots + brazzer GACHIGASM

[civic palm]

o _o

[slate tulip]

since like last 16 weeks i get + haste item from weekly :/ ty game

[vestal wren]

lucky you haste seems to be a good stat in prepatch and bfa

[sudden brook]

mastery and haste looking to be the way to go?

[autumn bloom]

Crit will always be good with SF

[civic palm]

Haste seems good but I don't think it's beating anything I imagine.

Maybe VERS, dunno.

[sudden brook]

hmm

[vestal wren]

well its not optimized stat wise but i dont agree 😛

[civic palm]

Didn't think it was that high.

Over VERS. though :3

[vestal wren]

you forget that we have a quite potent stat squish

also keep in mind this was for 120

[civic palm]

Yeah, I think of nothing before it atm.

It looked like the scaling on Haste was booty, nice to see that it's different though.

Have you tried seeing if there is an apparent breakpoint where Haste falls off a cliff?

[vestal wren]

if you have enough targets 😛

[civic palm]

Of course.

[stark elbow]

Argus M

[civic palm]

Was thinking Mastery would be higher considering more things are influenced by it now.

But we took a huge hit to DR with the conversion.

[vestal wren]

mastery is not bad

however you forgot about haste and crit

[civic palm]

I just thought the DR on Haste was more dramatic, that's all. Crit is still obvious.

[vernal adder]

imagine by John Lennon

[fiery nest]

taking a picture of your monitor 😂

[civic palm]

Do you know how much haste you are sitting it in the stat pull?

% wise.

[vestal wren]

btw. no we didnt even re-run sims for single target for sin given we work on cleaning up and improving the sin apl

[civic palm]

👌

[strange python]

@stark elbow yikes

[shrewd pine]

Busted

[fiery nest]

yeah 1bil dmg is during lust in execute, dude also took a picture of his monitor holy shit 😬

[strange python]

xposed

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

time to make a new account

[fiery nest]

oof

[stark elbow]

Yeah, to save it on phone

[fiery nest]

lol

[autumn bloom]

:-/

[civic palm]

stops himself

[shrewd pine]

I'm getting this toxic feeling again

[stark elbow]

Didnt have time to take a screenshot a d email it

[civic palm]

is shaking his chair apart in impotent rage

[shrewd pine]

and I really wanna start typing

[autumn bloom]

...email?

[fiery nest]

Several people are typing

[shrewd pine]

lets not

[autumn bloom]

What is //happening//

[civic palm]

O _O

[stark elbow]

U know im not im a pc right now..

[civic palm]

No.

[fiery nest]

no i'm a pc

[civic palm]

🔮

[stark elbow]

In*

[autumn bloom]

😬

[civic palm]

It truly is my birthday :3

[fiery nest]

you're in a pc?

[stark elbow]

Back to work

[shrewd pine]

idk, last time we talked to PC on internet

it wanted to start next holocaust

[civic palm]

O _O

[shrewd pine]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot)

[jolly scroll]

for leveling what talents do you guys recommend for the first two tiers (mostly dungs with quests sprinkled in)

[shrewd pine]

in #385145484559253506

[jolly scroll]

the pins ?

[strange python]

for leveling play what u want

[civic palm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/justin-bieber-believe-tour-ZIqbJ5Tbm6N0I

[strange python]

before ur stuck with talents at max

like damn

have some fun

[fiery nest]

@jolly scroll yeah top right of the window, the pushpin icon

[jolly scroll]

was just wondering what would make me do the most damage at my level

[shrewd pine]

Yes. It's in the guide in the pins.

Click on the channel and go top right.

if you are still confused

here http://www.ravenholdt.net/class-discords-the-basics/ is a guide that will guide you to our guides

[jolly scroll]

that pin did not help very much. that guide was mainly for questing.

[shrewd pine]

its the same shit

[jolly scroll]

pulling mobs solo and running a 5 man squad is not the same shit

[shrewd pine]

dude you are trying to find complexity where there is none

its fucking leveling

the game is barely complex on max level

let alone on lvl 30

[jolly scroll]

jesus christ y'all are easily disturbed

[civic palm]

No you O _O

[shrewd pine]

and here we go, another ❄

[civic palm]

🔥

[fiery nest]

imagine coming to a place to get info, getting the info, and then insulting the people that gave you the info

[civic palm]

Leveling != Questing

@fiery nest Why even waste the effort to imagine reality?

[fiery nest]

true

[jolly scroll]

I don't really see how I "insulted" anyone but whatever

[civic palm]

2 years worth of work.

etc.

[shrewd pine]

poor Don

how would he feel if he saw this

[civic palm]

Enlightened.

Clearly.

[shrewd pine]

[jolly scroll]

the guide is definitely good , I'd be fine with the first two talents he suggests? I've been suggested otherwise by a few guildies and I'd like multiple sources ya know

[prime void]

how does the guide not help at max level

[shrewd pine]

what did your guildies suggest?

[civic palm]

Over the years those other sources have proven to be poorly updated.

[prime void]

thats an omegathunk my man

[jolly scroll]

I am not max level

I am literally level 30

[civic palm]

Mizu please... please.

[prime void]

who would bother making a level guide

its literally trivil content

that is a joke

hit your 4buttons you have

[civic palm]

YOU SLANDER HIS NAME

FIGHTING WORDS!!

[shrewd pine]

@jolly scroll what did your guildies suggest for talents?

[dire spoke]

[jolly scroll]

Elaborate Planning and Subterfuge

for now

[crude iron]

subterfuge is good

[shrewd pine]

yea, dont listen to them

[crude iron]

tho

[shrewd pine]

SF is alright for dungeons

[civic palm]

@gusty kestrel Imagine then wanting multiple sources for your level 30 talents.

[shrewd pine]

but EP is not

[prime void]

tisumi

your build

omegalul

ran that shit before you even had the slightest whim to

[jolly scroll]

Yeah it didn't seem that synergetic to me. I wanted to go with master poison but it seems like most of my damage is coming from bleeds at this stage

[solid nova]

@jolly scroll http://www.ravenholdt.net/don-joses-rogue-leveling-advice/

[fiery nest]

damage matters at level 30? 🤔

[prime void]

I made it

public

to you...

[civic palm]

To an extent, sure.

[prime void]

.<

[civic palm]

Thaaaaaat's not public.

[prime void]

miz

literally no one

was talking to you

🙅

[civic palm]

Take it to DMs.

[prime void]

No thank ya

[civic palm]

If you want your privacy.

[prime void]

It was a joke tisumers

luff me

[civic palm]

O _O

[dire spoke]

I made clicking public luff me

[civic palm]

You made your clicking public you... weirdo.

[dire spoke]

[civic palm]

Use what works best for you.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prime void]

aa

[surreal totem]

Hey guys, i'm kinda lost, i see so many combinations, which work best for you ? I like playing with bracers + boots with 2pt20 and 4pt21, but i've seen a bunch of people playing with bracers and ring, how good is it ?

[solid nova]

[surreal totem]

yeah thanks for the insight, i did, i'm asking for people feedback on playing different set ups

[solid nova]

People are playing the setups that are simming highest for them

[shrewd pine]

Why do you need insight on chosing the build that does the most damage?

[solid nova]

Not sure where the confusion is

[surreal totem]

whatever 😃

[solid nova]

What dont you find clear about people sim the different combinations and took what is performing better for them?

[surreal totem]

would you feel better if i ask what sim the highest? because its basically the same thing

[solid nova]

Well what sims highest will always be dependant on your individual stat weights and talent choices

Which i assumed was common sense

[surreal totem]

which is why i'm asking ?

[solid nova]

Which is why youre asking why people dont use the same gear you are?

Or am i missing something?

[shrewd pine]

If you are asking what sims the highest

the best response

is

because we dont know what kind of gear you have

[surreal totem]

No i'm not asking what sims the highest, i'm asking what you sim the higest

[shrewd pine]

how is my gear relevant?

to your character?

[surreal totem]

i know what sims best for me, i just wanted to get an idea of some other ppl

[shrewd pine]

well you can look that up on warcraft logs

and get much better example size

rather than couple dudes on discord

[dire spoke]

I play mantle because I don't give a fuck

[warm parcel]

Ring cause I did it first and Im cool

[fast nacelle]

@warm parcel mut trait fits good for insig cause of EP o.o

[warm parcel]

How singisnia relevant to bb and ep working well together

[fast nacelle]

cause you only play ep with insig equiped

so for the "insig setup" mut trait would be gucci

for higher ep uptime

meh wouldnt even be that much
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mNwvxnSuqQQuA9ChdBFESs

still the same like 960 ma+ma with mantle + brazzors

[scenic quail]

why such toxicity in here :/

[shrewd pine]

toxicity? where?

[lament dove]

because this is the assa topic... you know... poisons...

[solid nova]

Toxicity or over sensitive people?

Probs 2nd

[shrewd pine]

thats toxic

[strange python]

change ur try hard profile pic plz

[wise whale]

will mythic+ in bfa be available from the start?

or will it be timegated like raids

[shrewd pine]

no official word on it but probably same release as legion

[wise whale]

thx

[frail gate]

@fast nacelle Yeah I get your simms being higher than mine, but your still simming highest with normal poison ns build, granted your gear is fucking insane lol. But i see how its simming 70 or so more than me maybe?

[lone junco]

@surreal totem Those different combos depend on your offpieces. And cumulative secondary weights.

If you have high crit. Then ep is nice and shoulders are bad. If you have low crit massive mastery. Then shoulder bracer. Etc. if you have certain relics you can play exang or FOK in ST. It matters what you have. Or want to have.

I personally can't get over 200 mastery because my gear just doesn't go that way. And ilvl restricts my sum total of secondaries.

( when using any reasonable stat weights)

[buoyant coyote]

how do i deal with mages that keep blinking 5000 miles away in pvp when i gear near

if step is on cd ,vanish and sprint

[hoary copper]

#pvp might be a better channel to ask

[buoyant coyote]

fair enough

[runic kernel]

I need some help picking my netherligth traits

This is the one im struggling with

Mostly the others.. I just took the % chart. and added the percentages of each.

[vestal wren]

throw them in a sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/relic

[hoary copper]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[hoary copper]

and http://www.herodamage.com/rogue has comparison

for general...sim is always best

[runic kernel]

I didnt know you could sim the netherlight stuff

[fervent beacon]

simming when BfA is out in 42 days

[shrewd pine]

BUT HOW DO I OPTIMIZE MY LEVELING

[warm parcel]

High ilvl

[fervent beacon]

leveled survival hunter in green no problem

[empty tide]

got 43% on my argus kill yesterday, with insignia

[rain pewter]

still playing rogue btw

omegaLUL

[dense minnow]

https://puu.sh/AQTEl/479c5b4727.png feels bad man

PB Feels

[strange python]

still playing wow btw

omegalul

[fast nacelle]

@dense minnow karma

[fiery nest]

Tyrarolls - Today at 1:16 PM

ded gaem

[dire spoke]

[humble nimbus]

What is the best simming talents atm on Beta?

[steep obsidian]

no one has made an apl or done any sims because tuning is not complete

come back when it goes live

well none that are worth sharing anyway

things will change

[humble nimbus]

Very well

[prime void]

https://i.imgur.com/IQLoqHl.png @steep obsidian ?

[steep obsidian]

same

just doin cache

[prime void]

was this you xD

[steep obsidian]

yes

[prime void]

I tried whispering you lol

I was the feral

[steep obsidian]

i replied

[prime void]

Weird

I thought you were a sub boy

[steep obsidian]

i can play whatever /shrug

i havent played sub for a while though properly

[dire spoke]

now kiss

[steep obsidian]

wut

[true zealot]

Yo guys. Im new and read the guides

I got the bonus talent lege ring. Its my first lege besides the argus one so i bet its better than nothing but else is it any good?

[marble hemlock]

for the time being you can play deeper stratagem instead of vigor, but its not that big of a deal

youre most likely gonna switch it out once you get soome other decent legendaries. just sim yourself once you have 3 legendaries, and dont forget to switch back to vigor when youre simming without the talent ring

as far as im aware you just finish 5+ instead of 4+ when youre playing DS, so nothing really changes

[true zealot]

what do you mean by DS

not familiar with the terms yet

[marble hemlock]

deeper stratagem

mentioned it in my first reply 😛

its one of the other 2 talents that are in the same line with vigor, the talent you get when equipping the talent-ring

[true zealot]

oh yea

thats what i picked when got the ring ;p

[marble hemlock]

so just sim yourself with raidbots.com when you get the next legendary to see which one is better

since there is no "golden rule" when it comes to which legendary is better than another one. blizz managed to balance the assa ones pretty well so a bunch of them can be better for you, while they suck for others, making it hard to give advice without simming the character in question

[true zealot]

ok

what about the aother specs

[marble hemlock]

sub is a garbage spec for garbage people

[drifting cosmos]

god

[marble hemlock]

and outlaw is... well... its RNG incarnate

not as much as it used to, but still shitty, and not worth messing with when you just started playing rogue imo

but obviously youre free to try it out, id actually suggest doing so to get a feel of how each spec plays before they change things with the pre-patch/new expac

and if youre having spec-specific questions about these specs, just check out the pins in the other channels or ask questions there

[true zealot]

why so much hate towards subtelty 😃

[marble hemlock]

because i dont enjoy playing classes/specs where 40-60% of your damage comes from a single ability

[true zealot]

is it op or smth?

[marble hemlock]

and the whole "dfa into shd" gameplay never really felt right to me

nah

sub is probably the weakest of the 3 specs right now at the top-level

[strange python]

yes i much prefer getting all my damage from a random proc

yikes

[marble hemlock]

genuinely not sure what youre talking about

[strange python]

look at my cool parse i proccd pb 20 times

are u guys proud of me

[true zealot]

im looking to play some arenas

[marble hemlock]

but if you think 8-10% PB is "all of my damage" youre playing assa wrong and should have a look at the pins

[true zealot]

maybe get to 2k

[strange python]

good logs = pb procs

[true zealot]

not sure if i should try assa or outlaw

[strange python]

cool spec boys

[marble hemlock]

thankfully theres people out there that dont just play for good logs

[strange python]

L

[marble hemlock]

assa is pretty good for PvP right now @true zealot

[strange python]

u dont "play" for good logs, you get them if you're good, unless pb doesnt proc ofc LUL

[true zealot]

2v2 or 3v3

[marble hemlock]

so is outlaw, but its a lot harder to pull off since the spec is less about damage and more about control, and it keeps some of its RNG-reliance even in a pvp setting

well, ive had >95 performances with 5% bombprocs, so youre just flat-out wrong

[strange python]

same all my logs are 100%

[marble hemlock]

if you "need" good bombprocs to parse well, youre doing something wrong or have bad gear

theres a pvp channel if youre interested in pushing some pvp @true zealot . you can probably get better advice there

[strange python]

good logs = high pb dmg

[zealous dew]

100% log = high pb, no pb = 90, decent pb = 95

[shrewd pine]

Concordance procs are now much more important than getting a PB.

[marble hemlock]

if youre checking the top-logs, most of them have high pb%, yes. doesnt mean that you NEED them to parse extremely well though

[strange python]

i never said u did

[marble hemlock]

"you get them if you're good, unless pb doesnt proc ofc LUL"

?!?

[strange python]

i dont ocnsider 90% good

[shrewd pine]

can we see your logs?

[marble hemlock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zZ9JtP6nXH7daK4W#fight=25&type=damage-done

[strange python]

im outlaw

[marble hemlock]

8% pb, which is below average

[strange python]

from jan

[marble hemlock]

🤔

[shrewd pine]

still would love to see your logs.

[strange python]

u have my name

on the screen

[shrewd pine]

OCE?

[strange python]

yea

all my logs are literally top 5

from the time i did them

lol

[shrewd pine]

nothing is coming up, can u throw me your realm?

[strange python]

forstmourne

[shrewd pine]

http://prntscr.com/k2va5t

nothing is coming up

[strange python]

idk then

but they were all streamed anyway

[marble hemlock]

so far "idk then" seems to be the most accurate of your statements

[strange python]

sub is garbage and for garbage players

btw

rng for good logs btw

i identify as my spec

[marble hemlock]

so how did i do 99% parse with below-average pbs?

weird

must be a bug

unlike all your "top 5" logs that noone can find 🤔

the way it usually works is that you back up your claims with an argument. i made mine when i explained to the guy asking why i dont like sub.

[strange python]

ok

um

[wheat zealot]

Link logs or take your L

[strange python]

i would but this isnt even worth anything

id rather take an L

[rose violet]

That’s a bit fat L

[strange python]

id rather show logs when something actually happens

[solid nova]

Deja vu

I'm sure you've stated before you had rank 1 logs and couldn't provide anything then

🤔

Glad to see its toned down to rank 5 now

[shrewd pine]

so far most of your logs I've seen were blue as fuck

[strange python]

i did have rank 1s

[shrewd pine]

I'm curioous about that R1s

[strange python]

no shit they would be blue now

[solid nova]

That you never provided?

[strange python]

its been like 5 months

[shrewd pine]

oh, here is 90% parse, but you said 90% is shit

so thats a garbage too

[strange python]

link them

[shrewd pine]

YOu have your name

[strange python]

tisu thats what he said t ome

[shrewd pine]

you can find them

[strange python]

yikes

[shrewd pine]

[strange python]

read further up

Tisumi - 06/28/2018

1. im not a guy, im a girl, 2. i have a name, idk why tf u gotta be like "the other guy" and make a stupid ass comment. no need to be an idiot just cause someone doesnt share your opinion

[marble hemlock]

i wasnt even talking to you, you just came into a conversation out of the blue?!?

[strange python]

so nothing u say affects me

[solid nova]

The only toon with your name is a warrior with 2/11LFR

🤷

[strange python]

getting mad because someone used a gender neutral word

[marble hemlock]

not really sure why youd care what someone writes about sub in the assa channel, but thats your problem, not mine

[shrewd pine]

If I felt like sifting through Quin69s logs to find a raid where you werent benched I would, but its rly not worth it.

[strange python]

shit bait

and u know it

[marble hemlock]

wasnt supposed to bait

[strange python]

not u

[shrewd pine]

wasnt bait tho

[marble hemlock]

well, it still baited anyway

[shrewd pine]

I'm dead serious.

[marble hemlock]

just joking ahahaHAHAHAH XDD

[strange python]

u knew i was in quins guild

[marble hemlock]

anyway, hf

[strange python]

so u mustve watched the stream

im not even going to boether with shit tier bait

[shrewd pine]

yea I watched couple of them

[shrewd night]

Ye, spend that time finding your logs instead

[keen inlet]

@strange python Why is it every morning I wake up and find you stirring shit

[shrewd pine]

enough to remember u getting benched for dogs and high command progg

[strange python]

i joined on portal

yikes

[keen inlet]

Quit it.

[rose violet]

Rank 1 bench

[keen inlet]

Enough.

[marble hemlock]

tbf don, i was talking shit about sub-players, he apparently got offended by that

[keen inlet]

You want to bant

take it to off-topic

and keep it light banter

[fast nacelle]

@marble hemlock toxic as usual

[marble hemlock]

yeah

playing assa

what do you expect?

[fast nacelle]

yes

[cinder palm]

For anyone who has beta how dies crimson tempest feel in dungeons? Is it worth taking?

[marble hemlock]

better than the rest

PB deals no damage

and hidden blades is same as cloak on live right now, nice if you can get it to stack up before a pull so you get a decent NS fok in there, but a non-factor once you did that

so yeah, numbers might change a bit, but from a gameplay-feel PoV, CT is the way to go

[cinder palm]

I see, thanks 😃 Nice to see they’re trying to help our aoe

[marble hemlock]

i mean it all comes down to how much damage CT actually does

or rather, how much damage both of them do by comparison

[cinder palm]

I love the idea of that ability

[marble hemlock]

since if theyre somewhat even

youll take HB because its better on singletarget than CT

and time it so when the boss dies youre close to max-stacks again and have max-stack NS fok opener for the next trashpull

[delicate crater]

Right now the Lego cloak and HB stack, producing some......interesting results. Not sure if that will be the case when it goes live.

[warm parcel]

Will be irrelevant at 116 anyway so blizz might not care

[carmine solstice]

@gusty kestrel 😮

[willow cedar]

😒

[marble hemlock]

yellow color for alacrity

[fickle gale]

Was ist zur Zeit besser bfa outlaw oder Assa ?

[delicate crater]

This has probably been asked, but does Exsanguinate affect CT in BFA?

[steep obsidian]

i tested it months ago and it did not then

i do not know if its been changed

probably not

[fringe mist]

whats everyones favorite race for animations? like the envemon for some races is super boring

[wheat zealot]

I play a female belf, but i also really like undead female animations.

[magic zenith]

I don't even see my fucking character during raids most of the time anyway

[humble summit]

Undead Female animations are vicious. I love it.

[shell owl]

I’m with Luebbers. Most of the time I’m guessing based on camera position 😂
Maybe that’s why we haven’t killed M Argus yet

[keen spruce]

I'm definitely not looking at my character during raids

and can rarely see them in the melee pile

[tender folio]

Is Eye of Command worth using in myth+ or should i look for another trink for it ?

[fiery nest]

it's good for most bosses

not trash

[tender folio]

any tips for trash when it comes to trinks ?

Maybe that one from Hounds ?

[orchid cove]

it really doenst matter unless u play sub for m+ then you want glaives

[fiery nest]

^

[tender folio]

kk ty

[orchid cove]

just NOT EoC

and you're good

[hoary copper]

I do enjoy me some glaives

[calm cargo]

Hey fellas, quick question! Is energy pooling still a thing in Legion for assas?

[vestal wren]

yes

but its not a big thing

[calm cargo]

Aah cool, thanks!

[vestal wren]

you can look at the simulation, you stay at quite low energy lvls the majority of time

also your energy regeneration in multi target situations is so high that you dont pool

[calm cargo]

Shame really, I thought pooling was one of the things that made good rogues stand out

[vestal wren]

well pooling is a thing

however due to certain traits less valuable

this is energy curve from bfa

as you see you stay on higher energy amounts, what means you pool more

pooling alone is only a interessting mechanic if you get sth in return btw. so i think its in an okay spot

[hoary copper]

pooling is lame

LET ME SPAM MY 3 BUTTONS!

[fiery nest]

play a DH then

ez

[autumn bloom]

if you didnt have to pool then energy serves no purpose

[hoary copper]

We dont really now, so its not really a purpose anyway other than a regulator on what you can do

@keen inlet plays enough DH for all of us

[keen inlet]

I haven't touched dh

in months

[hoary copper]

Lies!

oh

[austere crater]

Does concordance go above 75

[wise star]

yes

should be at 79 or smth on live atm

[hoary copper]

With the quest it should be at like 128 or something

[fiery nest]

thats artifact level, which is different from concordance

i believe concordance level was 80 when i was on last night

[tender folio]

atm is 131

our weaps

[magic mural]

Hi, what is/are the main builds on beta right now for sin? Is poison even viable without all the traits and mastery and Lego bracers etc? I really liked ns + CT for m+, wouldn't it be reasonable to go for exsang then, because it's bleed anyway then? Also deeper stratagem feels really slow.. Like, you do one finisher every 10s or so

[fiery nest]

look at pins in #456965066638753802

@magic mural

[magic mural]

There is nothing to see. I don't want to to know what Sims highest, or is gonna be "the best", just what talents ppl tend to use together to right now

[wheat zealot]

Ive been trying a bleed build with 2133333

[exotic glen]

sounds horrible

[wheat zealot]

Not really ns and ct is pretty nice

Havent taken off leggos yet though so idk how it feels at 120

[shrewd pine]

I reckon you are using T21 as well?

[wheat zealot]

Yup

[shrewd pine]

yea its gonna get worse without the energy from it

[short knoll]

assassination spec! What is that damage spike?? Venonomous Wounds game changed the spec for me during dungeons now at low level. I went from good cleave and nice single target to insane cleave dmg and still great single target. Im overcapping in energy and combo points in low level dungeons with this passive

[exotic glen]

glad you like the best spec in the game 💪🏿

[wheat zealot]

Yeah its getting completely reworked in bfa unfortunately to only refund energy every mut

Gonna feel like shit

[exotic glen]

no its not

he said venomous wounds, not venom rush

[wheat zealot]

Oh thats just the talent?

Oh ok

My bad

[exotic glen]

or am i an idiot

[civic palm]

👌

Nah you got it.

[exotic glen]

BIG

[civic palm]

VWounds is the same.

[fiery merlin]

outlaw will be #1 for BFA, just have faith.

[civic palm]

NRG from DoTs on PSN'd targets.

[exotic glen]

i gave good advice guys

[civic palm]

VRush is the MUT+5 NRG talent.

[exotic glen]

or, true at least

[short knoll]

Idunno bout BFA or assassination at higher levels. But right now: Venonomous Wound is MVP

feels good to not be energy starved on an energy resource char

Last i played energy resource based, it was feral in early EN. And that wasnt fun

[keen spruce]

how is VW changing in bfa?

[upper musk]

Hey guys

[keen spruce]

nvm i looked it up

[upper musk]

does the 30% from the ravenholt ring count on a single target?

or is that 30% damage only for targets behind ur target?

[civic palm]

What...

[upper musk]

....if i use insignia of ravenholt

[keen spruce]

it's 15%

[civic palm]

Did you read the item?

[upper musk]

do my single target spells do damage do the main target as well as targets behind it?

[keen spruce]

wait i'm on the wrong page

[upper musk]

kik

lol

im asking, is it a damage incrase for boss fights

increase*

[keen spruce]

Equip: Your single-target combo-point generating attacks deal 15% additional damage as Shadow to all targets within 15 yards in front of you.

So when you mutilate a target

[civic palm]

You're gonna have to sim that for DPS increases.

[keen spruce]

that target get's hit with mutilate

+15% of the mutilate damage on top of that

[upper musk]

okay

so its all around better

sicne i dont have my wrist

ty

[civic palm]

or shoulders or boots or helm?

[keen spruce]

I mean it depends on what other leggos you have

[upper musk]

only shoulders

boots

legs

and now this ring

[keen spruce]

I'd just put it in a sim

[upper musk]

think i should keep boots on for the vandetta?

[keen spruce]

tbh

[upper musk]

mkay

[keen spruce]

vendetta boots are nice on longer fights

[upper musk]

yeah

on argus now

that

so that'll do

[keen spruce]

yeah if you're able to get another vendetta off

I'd say it probably better

[shy mica]

im hyped to level as assa in bfa

hidden blades with the pvp fok talent

between packs

gon be gud

[exotic glen]

and lego cloak until 116

gonna be gut

[robust light]

itll be good if oyu level as a team and get someone to pull tons of shit together for u to 1 shot

solo it wont be as good since u wont get many stacks inbetween mobs

[autumn bloom]

mut rogue taletns look way more exciting than sub

:[

mut rogue its like "what can i pick to make this interesting or change things'

[fleet whale]

I don't really like the 100 row for sin

[autumn bloom]

sub is like "what can i take to press more than 30 buttons a minute"

[fleet whale]

but other than that i'm fine with the assassin talent tree for the most part

[steep obsidian]

yeah the fok cloak is gonna be broken for world pvp i reckon it will be nerfed within a week of it going live

but they will let it go live

people will cry at being one shot

[willow cedar]

Prolly 95% of ppl will have pvp turned off

[steep obsidian]

i guess

[hollow apex]

you will have rogues and ferals go pvp while leveling

[sharp viper]

the fok cloak already got nerfed for world pvp a few patches back

[strange python]

not in bfa

[slate tulip]

this is a joke for last 16 weeks from weekly chest + mythic cache i get usless haste items :/

[strange python]

u said that yesterday

[dark crag]

useless now, bis in prepatch?

i kept all my haste stuff, i can build haste/x easy

[sharp viper]

same here, kept a lot of high ilvl haste items for outlul and the change to bleeds and mastery in bfa

[slate tulip]

well i wont play rogue any more so for me usless to be honest 😦

[lost harbor]

morning rogues

[slow stag]

I could take this to The bfa channel but do you guys think assassination Will be good for raids? :)

Morning @lost harbor

[lost harbor]

Level as sub, raid as sin maybe im thinking

[deep beacon]

I somehow managed to get 100% parse on the ilevel ranking thingy today... who woulda thunk it.. lol

[dark crag]

me too against 4 others

[steep obsidian]

i just raid without pants and get 100% ilvl for everything

[placid egret]

God tier strat

[deep beacon]

@dark crag Waaaaahhhhh 😃

[dark crag]

shh don't post the trick

[deep beacon]

Shh yourself negative ninny 😃

[dark crag]

who is negativ here?

[keen inlet]

yo but do scientists hate her for this one weird trick?!

[dark crag]

i would take of wrist, stat loss is not that great but the itemlvl is.

not suitable for assa

[shell owl]

I got 100% for every boss on heroic, but my ilvl was like 907 😂

[dark crag]

i will later trying it without a wrist as sub

it is my lowest item and has haste on it

[steep obsidian]

that was sarcasm you weren't meant to actually go and do that you dongs

im a report you to khira and get you bant

/nod

[dark crag]

to late, my mission is on the run

only chance is that my itemlvl doesn't really get lower

[rotund yarrow]

So yesterday you guys told me I play my assassin wrong because I died a lot. So I went back and played a lot more careful and it actually worked out. If you can stay away from the mob then chances are good for you. However if they see you, you're pretty much done for. Did good damage (it was a random BG on the 120 server ofc) and got a few kills. Not many 1-1's though. I took a video as well, but this doesn't seem the place for posting it. Also, you'd all see what a pleb I really am. Anyways, I had fun on that toon.

[keen inlet]

Glad we could help, beard

the first rule of DPS

Dead = 0 dps

that goes for pvp as well!

[rotund yarrow]

haha that's for sure. Sometimes it feels thought alive rogue = standing by the side and watching to mobs go at each other. But I think the 120 server is different at the moment, nobody plays the objective and people just zerg/test out the classes. So there is a lot of 10v10 going on, with the team with the healers winning 😃

[keen inlet]

Yeah I found I was most effective hiding until somebody was getting low

come in finish them off/lock them down

gtfo

repeat

[lean hill]

That's what rogues do

From the days of TM/SS when you would hunt down clothies behind enemy lines trying to sit and drink

[rotund yarrow]

I'm a bit of a pussy irl, this play style might just suit me

[lean hill]

Opportunist is a better term

[rotund yarrow]

haha I like that.

[ruby fulcrum]

is fan of knives replacing multilate still a thing?