yeah. yeah that's a good neck.
#assassination
civic palm
and the rich get RICHER!!
wintry glen
This new artifact quest helped things much, been out all day so just catching up?
civic palm
vast forum
but does it have speed @marble hemlock
marble hemlock
^^
civic palm
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void pecan
As it should be.
civic palm
Turns out all we need was another 20000agi.
fleet whale
another what
fast nacelle
ep/tb with insignia on argus mythic
fleet whale
why has insignia become good all the sudden?
civic palm
Was never bad.
fast nacelle
i play with it since ages
civic palm
Also most people stacked the shit out of Mastery.
Which was the right thing to do most of the time.
civic palm
Yep.
fast nacelle
you dont hit max parses due no 15% pb
but i played it since first pull cause it made sense
at every phase
civic palm
Yeppers.
trail hound
What are the ideal relics for insignia bracers?
stone fable
true that
autumn bloom
might be worth it now that it's nuts
stone fable
I tried it, but the overall dps gain was minimal. The burst was pretty cool though
autumn bloom
yeah that's how it was with sub too
keen inlet
fickle prism
what are you guys using for buff/debuff tracking? I've used roguepowerbars for forever but it finally stopped working and i feel naked.
drifting cloud
weakauras
fickle prism
I'm trying to avoid using weak auras, i don't care for it regarding debuff tracking.
dire spoke
Why?
fickle prism
Used to tracking it in a certain manner, been using the same add0n for 10 years. so I'm just curious to see if there's a similar one someone else is using so i don't have to sift through them all.
dire spoke
You can use WAs for all classes and specs, raid warnings and pvp situations - it just let's you track what you wish so there is no need for multiple addons
it's the raw source of a finished addon you build up stuff on
brave gyro
yo guys, i've come back to the game after about 3-4 months. And literally as i came back last night, my guild wants me to attend mythic argus progression, because they said they need me. Has much changed for Sin in the time I was gone? Any tips for me? for rogue PoV?
steep obsidian
nothing has changed cept you hae a big phat juicy 26k concordance proc now
brave gyro
Roger that
dire spoke
use two pots in p1
brave gyro
Btw, i saw in warcraft logs
a few people go Elaborate planning + insignia instead of shoulders - whats up with that?
steep obsidian
it simmed pretty well before the concordance buff
at least fo rme it wasnt far behind anyway
fiery nest
ye
fiery nest
what if u have 30% and a 960 eoc ๐ฎ
brave gyro
yeah, im resimming everything now,
dire spoke
don't
shrewd pine
i got 30% with EoC ๐ฉ (940)
strange python
i have 42% with EoC ez life and 195% mastery
dire spoke
I don't have EoC
strange python
oh sry it is for ring build? :X
dire spoke
no, they are just talking about it
spare cloud
I'm on 26% on my highest simming build
dire spoke
I would give up 1% of damage for quality of life crit tbh
shrewd pine
for the CP generation Zempai?
dire spoke
yeah, I had 2CP fucking up my SoT uptime long enough
spare cloud
generating more cp, getting more energy reg
shrewd pine
afight
strange python
does exist any assa rogue with 100% perfection or its only some poison bomb god?
jovial goblet
I got almost 46 with eye
spare cloud
What is 100% perfection
dire spoke
raidbots
strange python
bcs its impossible for me do it :D
spare cloud
I don't know what 100% perfection is supposed to mean
spare cloud
I mean that would require 100% crit on all other abilities
the chances on that are pretty low.
dire spoke
trying to parse 100% 6 month into content is like graduating from school when you're 40 years old
strange python
:D i had once 0 proc of poison bomb when i used about 80 times env/rupture ..... 
dire spoke
@strange python logs are cheesed, extreme short kill times and based on overgeared groups after all that time. If you want to look at a good log you need to look at them 1 month after the raid opened
spare cloud
Yeah a human can't play 100% perfect
strange python
arcane mages can -.-
spare cloud
No
strange python
have one in guild
spare cloud
Nobody can
strange python
wait ill send u
dire spoke
dire spoke
if humans could function perfectly in a group, germany would not have lost their match
strange python
:DDDDD
spare cloud
If humans could function perfectly in a group then there would be no need to play football because every game would end 0:0
dire spoke
don't logic me
spare cloud
If humans could function perfectly then football probably wouldn't exist because it's an imperfect game
๐คท
shrewd pine
You cant 100% arcane mage either, you still get procs for arcane missiles and conc during bursts etc
strange python
nvm he had only 99%
shrewd pine
No class in WoW can be 100%'d through just skill
dire spoke
๐คฆ๐ป
spare cloud
No class in WoW can be 100%'d period
You can have 20% poison bomb damage
but there is a possibility however small it is that you get a poisonbomb procc on every rupture and envenom you do in a fight
and 100% crit on every ability and autoattack
thats without considering proccs
and base variables in ability damage
dire spoke
variables in spells, variables in mechanics, variables in 19 other players
but that one arcane mage is perfect
spare cloud
Also
have fun actually finding the optimal killtime
of a specific boss
for perfect dps
in such a scenario
Movement is also a big part
too much to consider
dire spoke
I remember this annoying streamer rogue doing a 100% on ToS Sisters because he used lego belt on the birds to cheese
perfect player
spare cloud
Probably uses toxic blade on 9s kb every time 
dire spoke
ToS was sub time
spare cloud
Avatar progress sin was better ๐คท
dire spoke
๐
dire spoke
what do you mean, just DfA near wall and wait for the roster to drop down too
one less that drops swirlies on the ground
spare cloud
Crimson vial for soaking
steep obsidian
well wasnt the execute phase pretty tight dps wise too?
i guess sin execute help a fair bit?
or helped
spare cloud
steep obsidian
yeah that like 10% dps buff to the raid
heh
and insane rng survivability to the tanks
shy orbit
we wiped on 8% before the buff
spare cloud
If everyone does 10% more dps then the raid does 140% more damage
steep obsidian
55% dr when it procs
shy orbit
and killed it after buff
steep obsidian
lul
shy orbit
21 on server is alright
spare cloud
Yeah almost top 20
shrewd pine
blizzard might have just given the cutting edge away in one big raffle
spare cloud
I mean in the end only the date matters
shrewd pine
date + amount of pulls
spare cloud
Nah
top guilds are bound to have more pulls then guilds that come a little later in the pack
shrewd pine
if you are two weaks earlier but 300 pulls more it doesnt mean you are better
but of course if its a month, then yea I agree
because gear and all
spare cloud
the amount of information you have beforehand matters as well
shrewd pine
but if u are rank 400 vs rank 405 but have 600 pulls on rank 400 and the rank 405 has 350 pulls
then IMO rank 405 is better players
spare cloud
If you need more pulls than a guild that kills it without having guides
then you are not very good
and in most cases a harder version of the boss
shrewd pine
well yea, thats why I specified the rankings
shrewd pine
yea thats what I was hinting at
spare cloud
In top guilds cases many times they waste a large amount of tries on tactics that don't work
but that doesn't mean that they have worse players than another guild of that caliber
If you're lucky your tactic makes the boss easier and you get ahead
and sometimes you waste your time
happens
shrewd pine
Yea of course, for top guilds pulls barely matter and its all about kill dates
shrewd pine
that would be yikes
spare cloud
shrewd pine
my guild took like 350 pulls, and first kill was March 14th, but we had massive roster issues through antorus and had to reform guild basically
so quite good pull count, awful kill date
shrewd pine
skipping progress 
shrewd pine
I managed to skip Imonar, Kin, Vari and Coven progg by swapping guilds.
spare cloud
Yah happened to me when I climbed the ranks back in hfc
shrewd pine
but I had endured pain and destruction on fucking high command
where the guild I was in needed FUCKING VANTUS RUNE
for high command
spare cloud
skipped xhul'horac velhari Mannoroth and Archimonde
dire spoke
skipped fun
shrewd pine
I skipped WoD completely 
shrewd pine
oooof
spare cloud
they were top 100 once though
shrewd pine
thats equivalent of bashing ur head against a brick wall and hoping bricks crack before ur skull
spare cloud
Well was my first progression experience so thats fine
before that I was in like a world 7000 guild
shrewd pine
I rather forgot my progg experiences from vanilla / bc / wotlk
spare cloud
I didn't play actively until WoD
shrewd pine
I played a lot through the first 3, played a bit of cata, skipped MoP and WoD except for leveling a bit
shrewd pine
started super casual in legion, 1/7 EN 
and got better in ToS and gud in antorus
yea when I saw vids it was quite fun
kinda miss it tbh
but oh well, had life back then
spare cloud
I swapped guild for the last time in hfc farm
Been with my guild for the entirety of legion
had a 3 month break when i started university last year
thats why I skipped progression for antorus
shrewd pine
ooh thats great, I've been in 4 guilds in antorus alone
spare cloud
Zempai left his guild on agrammar progression
shrewd pine
Left one to join guild that literally disbanded 3 days after to join another which disbanded after 2 weeks
spare cloud
shrewd pine
and then I found my current one
dire spoke
hey
spare cloud
Yeah I changed guild in wod like 4 times...
7000 -> 600-400 -> 50 -> 50 with less raid time
shrewd pine
not bad
shrewd pine
i know ๐
spare cloud
He could perform really well if he wasn't clicking
dire spoke
shrewd pine
you should have trained him wrong on purpose, as a joke
lilac osprey
was wondering if it's worth holding off vendetta to drain my energy bar below 25-50% or to just use it on cd?
shrewd pine
oh sorry ๐ฆ I'll go think somewhere
spare cloud
shrewd pine
shrewd pine
spare cloud
shrewd pine
lets not spam here and leave room for discussion 
oak grotto
eyo real quick question - don't play rogue, just tryna roll the mage tower real quick. worth FoKing 3 targets or nah?
oak grotto
ty โค
autumn bloom
is there a guide somewhere on pooling as sin?
couldnt find anything on ravenholdt abt it
exotic glen
correct me if wrong but i dont think you can make a "guide" on that
solid nova
Pooling in what regard?
exotic glen
if you understand the mechanics of pooling, its just trying out when and where it works out
autumn bloom
okay that was an unclear question ig uess
specifically when to spend the 4cp on envenom if your dots dont need refreshing
is it just to avoid capping energy?
shrewd pine
u 4cp enve to not overcap CP my muti
autumn bloom
lmfao yes but
if you do that on cd you go out of energy
at least that's whats happening to me
autumn bloom
kk
shrewd night
Running out of energy means you need more crit mah manz
serene elbow
how does this new build with EP instead of MP and insignia instead of mantle work ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/17#boss=2092&class=Rogue just because of the traits ?
shrewd pine
The build was already close before the buff. It's just combination of different legendaries and talents. However it requires extremely high amount of crit to work.
solid nova
EP>NS>DS>CD>Thug>Exsan/AP>VR
vapid moth
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brave gyro
Tonight imma be going for Argus Mythic - first time. Any rogue tips my dudes?
marble hemlock
yeah. dont call people "mah dudes"
brave gyro
Oh, didn't realize I asked for a passive aggressive petty comment. ๐ค
civic palm
Did you ask for a passive aggressive factual comment?
steep obsidian
i think asking a speicifc question might be better rather then asking for a strat guide
isn't there a tips and tricks section on ravenholdt?
civic palm
Yeah don't die?
brave gyro
Alright, you are right @steep obsidian . I've had people suggest using boots over shoulders for Argus. Thoughts on that?
steep obsidian
execute phase is very long so nextra vendettas are strong along with damage buff
ive heard some people like to hold vanish to break chains but others will yell at me for saying that
boots means that vanish isnt much
http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ there is quite a few tips on the tips and tricks bit on mythic argus there some might be useful
meager stratus
yo guys, is 47% crit baseline enough for the new build? using EoC and its 47% without the stacks or am i going to high
steep obsidian
miight depend if you have bb relics? you can sim your gear for exact numbers
lone junco
"new build"?
steep obsidian
not really a new build but ep is simming very well with the max rank concordance is what he meant i thought
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
lone junco
weve been running high crit builds since like january/february
but sounds good.
did anything change in the simc regarding ep uptimes?
steep obsidian
i havent bothred to sim anything and barely played since the quest was put in
so i have no idea
solar willow
ay i got rank 3 on eonar #paddin
exotic glen
HYPEU
civic palm
O _O"
distant cypress
what is the "new build" except taking EP? what lego you guys use with it?
dire spoke
new meta, talent anti and pool 10CP for conc proc
marble hemlock
dont forget about mfd
to get another envenom and potentially bomb into concordance
civic palm
fucking bots O _O
civic palm
Rouge.
exotic glen
Rooge
dire spoke
Gouger
marble hemlock
trials are bis in BfA
dire spoke
to bad I'm member now 
frail gate
Whats this about some new meta or some shit?
nimble tartan
ye
fringe ginkgo
How many more levels do we get next week?
supple hearth
all the levels
dire spoke
steep obsidian
i dont get thatone
drifting cloud
its just going up by 1 every day I think
for the suspense or whatever before prepatch
supple hearth
If you watch your AP it constantly goes up
steep obsidian
if i do the quest now is my weapon 126?
or does it just auto go to 127
i guess i should test it but meh
dire spoke
pls tell us what it does
steep obsidian
i mean im not gonna do it now i have to do all 3 quests on my mage and im lazy ๐
so yeah would be good to know
drifting cloud
yeah its 127
steep obsidian
sweet
spare cloud
steep obsidian
the pvp server is new i guess
pity you cant do anythign cept pvp with the pre mades
oh you mean THAT
yeh
shrewd pine
we need emote for "check the logs"
steep obsidian
channel been moving so slow heh
solid nova
@shrewd pine Check your sim dps
solid nova
Then your garbage! going to need to improve
solid nova
But arent shoulders bis?
shrewd pine
yea I thought shoulders are BiS
why no a lot of crit and THEN shoulders for like even more crit
solid nova
More crit = more cps = more dps
shrewd pine
more dps = more logs = more orange
solid nova
more orange = better guild = better loots
shrewd pine
better loots = no trial = no ML
shrewd pine
I think we solved the game
solid nova
How long ago did you hang up your shoulders Tisu?
shrewd pine
solid nova
Setting the trend tbh
Fashion trends and future meta builds created by one of our own, Tizzy
steep obsidian
same
it sims like 15k behind for me over cookie cutter
but i dont have any mythic gear
well the gear a mythic raider would have mostly, only 969
high crit ep is more fun though fo sho
distant cypress
with the ep build do you still use wrists or do you use boots instead?
distant cypress
๐ค sim says theres no diffrence between boots and wrists for me
solid nova
Then its preference
shrewd pine
do you need execute?
use wrists
do you not need execute for the fight ? use boots
its not a rocket science
dire spoke
spare cloud
Wasnt there about a discussion like a few weeks ago about it
About how sim handles the bracer effect
Or a bit longer ago
solid nova
๐คท No clue fam
It also depends on what the actual % difference is
And then you'll be using your noggin to determine boots vs bracers anyway right?
spare cloud
Smth along the lines of that sim doesnt apply a buff at 30% but gives a fraction over the whole fight
Which leads to it being slightly undervalued due to cd timings
Iirc
solid nova
Is it slight as in, minimal to the point of it being irrelevant or is it something that should be accounted for?
spare cloud
Someone who actually knows the apl correct me pls
solid nova
I've not heard it before so genuinely curious
spare cloud
I dont know exactly i just recall that someone said it
solid nova
I'd sink the time to find the post if i could, but preparing for audit ๐ฆ
spare cloud
If it works like i said then there could be a decent difference
In the sense of bracers outweighing boots with correct play
But again i cant recall who said it
stark heart
sim just assume linear HP of the target over the duration of the fight
solid nova
๐ฃ ๐ฃ ๐ฃ ๐ฃ ๐ฃ ๐ฃ ๐ฃ ๐ฃ ๐ฃ ๐ฃ
zealous dew
you can get laid if you play WW rogue in bfa
marble hemlock
id like to know that too @fast nacelle
would you please inform me if you find out an answer?
fast nacelle
yes
solid nova
Just check the sims for the bfa raids ๐คท
brisk forge
Gf when you play wow, lol ๐คก
steep obsidian
motherlode looks pretty sweet now
shrewd pine
According to my sims for 3rd mini raid of 5th tiet
You'll be slayin puussah as rogue
Did motherload get big overhaul?
steep obsidian
they changed all the textures for it
shrewd pine
Ooh
steep obsidian
i cant tell if the map was changed coz it looks so different
shrewd pine
Are trash packs fixed too? Or are thex still connected to each other across half the map?
steep obsidian
i dunno i just stealthed through it to look
waxen roost
i have two questions, the first is if the Nightstalker stealth 50% bonus to abilities stacks with the Death From Above 50% envenom bonus? the second is if i need to cast toxic blade after i have applied envenom or if i can use it before?
silver egret
well step 1 is get rid of death from above and take venom rush ๐
waxen roost
don't have 4p, so both are equal.
and i pref DFA
if it stacks, DFA would be better.
at least burst-wise.
marble hemlock
the problem with DfA+NS is that DfA has 2 hits, meaning only the initial hit, the aoe, will get buffed by nightstalker, while the second hit will not
and as far as im aware using DfA triggers a GCD, meaning you cannot vanish after the initial hit to buff the second part.
also, DfA is horrible
you should never use it as assa
waxen roost
should not if i run far enough away in single that the first hit, well don't hit.
marble hemlock
its simply not worth it
silver egret
but it seems like youre just dead set on using the inferior talent so more power to you
waxen roost
my choice of talent aside, what about toxic blade?
marble hemlock
but technically, if you can somehow manage to not get the NS on the first hit, it will obviously stack
all multipliers stack
thats why you can get 10mil+ envenoms during vendetta/tb with concordance proc, while without any of them it barely crits for 3-4mil
silver egret
toxic blade has a higher prio than envenom so use it before envenom
marble hemlock
or why sub makes such great use of DfA, because it has multiple %more multipliers that you stack for the big DfA
if youre asking about whether its worth to NS the TB, in 99% of the cases it is not. you use it before envenom, then vanish, then 5cp envenom (if youre playing shoulders)
if youre not playing shoulders, you NS a 5CP rupture when the previous one has ~8sec duration left, so you get the maximum value out of the pandemic window
waxen roost
i start my fights in stealth pre-pot, then mutilate - garrote - rupture - vendetta - toxic blade - kingsbane - vanish - DFA/envenom(if i have venom rush, for long fights, DFA for short fights like m+) - then mutilate/garrote to 7/8 CP, with three envenom to every one rupture, with the added time so stuff line up and just run out so i don't loose dot procs.
i try to make sure that i have enough CP and energy for my next burst 2 min later ofc.
hoary copper
Dfa isnt worth it for sin, take venom always
silver egret
kingsbane before toxic blade
hoary copper
Use vigor, use CP at 4+
silver egret
yeah youre wasting the NS proc on the first hit of DFA which is dumb
waxen roost
i cast them at the same time so it doesn't matter in which order.
tb>kb is just memory.
strange python
Yes it does, the inital kb hit is buffed by tb.
You're doing it right anyway
Just clarifying
marble hemlock
you know
theres this neat little thing in this discord
its called a pin
and in it, you can find the answer to pretty much every question thats been asked these last 30minutes
hoary copper
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oblique smelt
recently lost all my weakauras, not sure why and the backup i had didnt have my sin weakauras in it
so i ask in hopes that some of you may use the same
its not highlighted because im not in combat
but they look like that and there is a combo point and energy bar in it aswell
it also prints kingsbane stacks to chat
hoary copper
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hoary copper
read that
autumn bloom
bfa isnt out yet lol
orchid escarp
I've been playing the beta, just cant figure out what talents I wanna use on live
XD
shrewd pine
bfa isnt finished, tuning hasnt been done yet therefore optimal setup isnt finished as well
orchid escarp
thanks ๐
flat pulsar
Should I be able to beat my sims on dps?
strange python
yeah. The sim uses ~8% poison bomb.
also fight length. the sim varies (not strictly 5 minutes) but if the fight ends right after your second vanish or something then it could be higher.
spare cloud
Depends on boss
and fight length
and group comp
and pb luck
and crit luck
and many other variables
steep obsidian
i have beaten my sim dps while playing like shit just coz of the above
marble hemlock
just because of toph?
hoary copper
Don plays DH
brisk forge
Beat sim results is very easy atleast as assa. Not very often you're below tbh
keen inlet
I forgot this was sin channel specifically
so I'd amend the "probably not" and say yes, you can, and you may. PB gods be with you
rose dome
Upgraded my weapon to the new max.... Anything I should know or try out new sims-wise? 209% mastery, 28% crit, 12.5% vers, 5% haste. Usually run Shoulders/Bracers. Focusing on Argus p3 prog. Just enlighten me really in case I'm out of the loop on something the last 2-3 days besides the Tuesday upgrade.
Master Poisoner, Nightstalker, Vigor, Cheat Death, TB, and VR all still top? I plan to sim ElabPlanning and Alacrity just in case, but I'm not hopeful...
shrewd pine
yea, its only for proper memers
slow mortar
Could EP work with crucible mut crit traits?
shrewd pine
thats just not worth it
rose dome
Hmm cool beans. ty.
spice lava
could also play with boots/bracers on argus
spare cloud
Not with 28% crit
Ring and bracers/boots has become a good option if you have the gear for it
fast nacelle
it did not "become" it is for a long time
since mutilate trait buff
aka poison knive fix aka january
lone junco
@fast nacelle โค
haughty hollow
@Zas#7094 Just saw ypu post on rogue discord abput losing you weak auras. I logged in about 2 months ago and all my weak auras were gone. I tried rverything, even rolling back my PC to another date. In the end all I had to do was re-download weak auras again and they all showed up.
arctic venture
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stone ore
Just came back to the game and had a quick question. Most places talking about infusion of light being better than shadowbind. Is that because of the internal cd is just that much shorter?
dark crag
it doesn't really matter at this point
take the route that gives you the best overall
if you like, you can use crucibleweight addon for the last weeks
arctic venture
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vast forum
ooor just 
signal flame
Anyone that got the core WA bunched into one pastebin?
spare cloud
I do
signal flame
Found one but ty โค
fringe ginkgo
Nice, wcl mythic+ statistics finally works. Or at least I'm just noticing it working now.
prime void
EP is love. EP is life.
dull wadi
Feral druid DoTs now scale with haste in BFA, did Assassin get the same treatment?
warm void
Yes
clever vapor
Hey fellas, is the crown fourth best legendary for assa rogues?
abstract thunder
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clever vapor
I've already done that. it's just that I kept getting all the shit legendaries the entire legion
and recently I got bracers and head
but I'm already using bracers and kill'jaeden's trinket
hollow matrix
run a quick sim, should only take a sec
marble hemlock
depending on your gear, crown can be pretty bad, or BiS
autumn bloom
Crown loses to cindaria for me in sims
main olive
dapper timber
when's the ring build worth over shoulders+bracers?
void bough
is rogue okay to start with for dps pvp beginners? i havent been able to find a class i like dps wise..WW monk is nice but thats about it
vestal wren
strange python
@dapper timber more consistent dps
Ah! I can't read.
Thought you said "what's it worth over shoulder/bracers"
The right answer is to sim yourself but you need around 50% crit.
It didn't sim close to my shoulder/bracers until I was approaching 55% haha.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ my gear is weird
normal zenith
All this time i though i had to be in stealth to use garrote.....When did they change that?
marble hemlock
lone junco
@normal zenith 2 years ago
normal zenith
I feel like an idiot now
lone junco
glad i could help
looking at bfa monk
for alt.
def wont main a hybrid, but having the flex seemsgood. and druid is driving me nuts
strange python
you're in a channel full of people who play it so theyre going to say yes
median tiger
what the artifact power
?
strange python
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sand whale
missed "s"? lol what's the artifact power? and power = ability? shrugs
autumn bloom
@median tiger it's a DoT
it increases in potency every time your deadly poison procs
was a fun skill, gonna miss it
vital yoke
can som1 tell me a good talent build for assa atm on the beta
civic palm
All of them.
vital yoke
-__-
civic palm
Experiment, nothing is for certain atm other than Poison Bomb being very bad.
vital yoke
doesn't really help i dont know anything about assassination lol
marble hemlock
i can tell you that master poisoner+exsanguinate is not a good talent build
if that helps
supple hearth
Its currently the phase where people are trying to test and figure out what is good. So I wouldn't be too surprised when people meme at someone asking for what the "best" anything is during beta
marble hemlock
what are you talking about
vital yoke
i didnt ask for best
marble hemlock
theres no memes here
marble hemlock
were 100% serious all the time, 100% of the time
civic palm
Oh so a mediocre build.
supple hearth
if you have beta go figure it out
timber ferry
what should my Haste be at approx? as well as mastery
autumn bloom
in legion?
0
mastery is as high as u can get it for poison build
idk anything about exsang
steep obsidian
marble hemlock
most of the good legendaries actually have haste on them, so you will most likely have some
nimble tartan
Toxic
atomic grotto
omr is on drugs ๐
clever vapor
Hey fellas, what are the requirements for the quest that maxes out artifact level?
clever vapor
@solid nova Thanks a lot
solid nova
No sweat fam
strange python
What do u guys think was the best exp for assasination
rose violet
Legion
jovial kite
Definitely not
Too many reworks
and pb being the deciding factor
without pb, EN ago assa wouldve been the best assa has ever been
sadly too much emphasis on rng and culling of ago made assa a chore for me
also hemo being shit the whole expansion in pvp and pve
and last tier talents only 1 choise
jovial kite
tells the tale of overlooking in terms of class design
jovial kite
@strange python
strange python
Thanks, I was just curious,
I think bra Assas is looking good and is reletivly fun, what do u guys think?
fervent beacon
I think it's going to be the slowest spec in the game
but again I hadn't tried it, been busy playing outlaw
rose violet
Pb is only the deciding factor if you want to out-dps other classes but assa is still strong with average rng
jovial kite
the issue is inconcistency
rose violet
I mean itโs just my opinion but legion is the first exp that made me play assa
jovial kite
if i play better than the rest i expect to be rewarded for it consistently
on a pull to pull basis
Assa would be a skill spec without pb
rose violet
But itโs like that for most classes
jovial kite
its non usable currently
and i think thats great
even if it procced 70% of the time its still bad design
rose violet
I understand that people donโt like it but they either have to buff it or remove it
jovial kite
im fine with it being the hemo of next expansion
wise whale
isnt it better then in legion?
wise whale
ok thats worse
wise whale
wow
jovial kite
And im fine with it being bad
Because i loathe the design
It only skews parses across the board
And shuffles the median AND makes best pulls solely based on it proccing all the time
wise whale
i liked it because you were able to parse extremely when you were lucky
and the highest parse is all that matter to me
so i dont care for the unlucky pulls
shrewd pine
Parses are irrelevant
rose violet
Im ok with it being bad as Long as it is Not Part of our Talents
shrewd pine
If you rely on good luck instead of playing well you have no right to perform on the top end
wise whale
sure
shrewd pine
And thats how PB works right now. Makes shitters get a lot of damage despite them not playing properly.
wise whale
that does not seeme logic
jovial kite
i mean if all top parses are luck procs you cant call it good design
you have so much rng its insane
jovial kite
Pb, conc, trinket procs, amanthuls procs, crits
wise whale
i didnt see it as that big of a problem
shrewd pine
Its a huge issue.
wise whale
over a hundred kills my damage was consistent so i didnt care
and as i said as long as i had legendary parses sometimes i was happy
but sure it would be better to parse legendary all the time if you are a good player
is furry warrior more consistent? it look so much fun in bfa
jovial kite
imo its fair that if you play good = parse good
warrior is in a good state right now kit wise
Really solid
You can tell the devtime has gone there instead of rogue
(Same class dev)
wise whale
maybe i will level both
shrewd pine
Not rushed btw
shrewd pine
UH Dks are looking good too.
wise whale
it sucks that they tend to change a lot balance wise as soon as your leveled and set up
jovial kite
so i hear but havent played in alpha or beta UH So cant really comment on it further
wise whale
i started with outlaw in legion because it simmed the highest but after 1 month it was shit
jovial kite
i leveled otl but switched to assa asap before en
wise whale
will there be a simmilar thing like legendaryies? that can potentially fuck you if you are unlucky?
wise whale
oh no
shrewd pine
Nah, warforge is up to +10
jovial kite
Yes wf is 10
But they said weapons shouldnt wf above 5
10 ilvl is a huge deal with buffed aa
shrewd pine
Didnt they only say they'll warforge and didnt specify the +5/+10 which would imply +10 max?
jovial kite
i think it was 5
Im checking now though as i may remember wrong
But nevertheless currently in beta weapons can tf
strange python
its 10
rose violet
Does anyone miss agonizing poison?
shrewd pine
If its not bug then blizzard has lost last bit of trust worthiness
jovial kite
i remember getting my first manno mythic dagger 2 weeks before legion launch
Now imagine that + tf
@strange python i havent seen myself either but there are countless posts about it
i only check things out on new builds
rose violet
Tf is way worse than pb and rtb combined
shrewd pine
can you post them? I'd love to see that
strange python
i tried to find some
jovial kite
ill ping you when i get home from work
warped crest
Hey random rotation question .
Do you use FoK as your building on anymore that 1 target or is it a minimum of 3 targets thanks.
atomic grotto
where is the fok da police meme
warped crest
Memes everywhere bro
atomic grotto
2+ targets = fok>muti
warped crest
So 2 or more
atomic grotto
Multi Target Rotation
For 2+ Targets use Fan of Knives as your primary combo point generator.
Have rupture applied to at least 3 highest health targets.
thats ont he guide
u can read it
warped crest
Thank you
atomic grotto
2+2 is 4
warped crest
^^
marble hemlock
atomic grotto
although the pinned picture is the best one
marble hemlock
ye
warm parcel
Naya still pinned
atomic grotto
where is naya?
marble hemlock
why is naya?
vernal adder
Nelbur for despot
jovial kite
vernal adder
cant troll here thou
warm parcel
@naya broken again
vernal adder
I've tried Tom also
lone junco
@jovial kite a simple fix to pb would to make it poison knives. A free FOK.
Fuck that ground based bullshit.
marble hemlock
"after using toxic blade your next envenom will proc a bomb"
rose violet
It would really be nice if we could keep poison knives
marble hemlock
id prefer fok jsut dealing some actualy aoe damage
instead of having a second source of damage slapped on top of it to make it worth using for aoe
poison techniques
poison technique tornado
marble hemlock
btw
why is the talent called poison bomb
but the artifact trait bag of tricks
๐ค
rose violet
FBI: stay were you are
marble hemlock
i always thought i carry a bag of tricks of the trade with me
and whenever i need one
i take one out of the bag
but that doesnt make sense either
as i said
just make the pb talent
the TB talent instead, and have it proc bomb on your next envenom after
so you have 25sec CD bomb on demand
with a prio-target benefit aswell
dunno
kingsbane instead of TB?
and TB moves to aoe tier with the bomb proc
id like that
a lot
yeah
someone tell blizz though, im up for hire/contracting
just imagine that though
still got tb/kb and you get control over bomb proc
with the opportunity cost of having to spec into it ๐ฆ
yeah ๐ฆ
outlaw aoe talent should be called cannonball tornado btw
zealous dew
don't give them ideas they might use them against you
marble hemlock
thats why you only gotta give them good ideas
so they choose the worst of them, but its still good
zealous dew
i'm pretty sure if you give them a good idea they will implement 1/good idea
marble hemlock
that would mean theyd have to come up with a really really bad idea though
and while it apparently doesnt take them any effort to come up with multiple ones
zealous dew
or we could feed them bad ones and get decent stuff
marble hemlock
that would s till be considered working on the game, and i think they dont really wanna do that
and just implement whatever is the worst possible suggested idea
zealous dew
that's possible
marble hemlock
you think you can reverse psychology blizzard?
marble hemlock
unlucky
damn, im kinda wishing that my suggestion would be reality now ๐ฆ
would be so fucking nice
zealous dew
yep
marble hemlock
at least leeching poison isnt an actual poison anymore
always hated having to give up crippling just for the leech
zealous dew
it's always funny when you instance with a lock and you tell him, no need for slow ring, got poisons, 3s later tank asks lock to slow ring
i have poisons, "not reliable"
rose violet
Thatโs how itโs supposed to be
marble hemlock
did they hotfix bomb to the new procrate?
zealous dew
ah haven't played today yet
marble hemlock
11% in DHT, so thats atleast only somewhat below average
that 4.7% HoV was abysmal though, 60mil of that 220 was just on skovald/odyn
zealous dew
prob it procced but kiting out of it ?
marble hemlock
nah, just didnt get any at all
i always target the first mob in the kite so the rest of them run through a proc if ith appens
just shitty RNG ๐ฆ
marble hemlock
10% seems low
zealous dew
doing a hov 20 boost now let's see
wise whale
are there new mage tower challenges?
everywhere i look they talk about completing mage tower challenges
quick ice
they're going away soon so people are doing them on all their alts
shrewd pine
^
they are going away with prepatch and mage tower is perma up
so everyone is freaking out about completing it
shrewd pine
also that yea
wise whale
oh ok
lone junco
yeah screw the fok prock, but just make that trait a full PK. your knives hit for X% of the DP value.
full on pk would be a fantastic tool beside CT
proud stag
Hey Iโm trying out rouge for the first time what spec should I go for for pve?
marble hemlock
we can only help you with questions regarding the rogue, not the rouge.
proud stag
Uhh okay?
marble hemlock
and since youre asking in one of the spec-specific channels, you may get biased answers here ๐
zealous dew
11.2%
hoary copper
What is useful in pve doesnt matter because the new expansion
Play whatever you want
nocturne gate
is it worh (if it sim 10-15k higher) to use boots+ravenholdt?
or only in cleave scenarios
hoary copper
If its like .5% difference or less, than its pretty much the same and what you prefer. If its more than its probably better to go with the highest. You can click the % difference in raidbots
boots are decent, ravenholdt not necessarily but depends on everything else you have.
nocturne gate
im 975 and currently my highest sim is boots*ravendholt with crit gems+enchants all my other sims even with mastery are mostly 20k+ lower
marble hemlock
praise @gusty kestrel
shrewd pine
Do you need execute?
Yes > standard build
No > EP build
marble hemlock
helm+boots still simming ~50k higher for me than ep/insignia ๐ฆ
one more novice for your flock
lone junco
@marble hemlock probably have that scrub level crit and absurdly good offpiece bracers.
nocturne gate
jo 970 with crit versa^^
marble hemlock
can get like 50% crit if i wanted to
i think its mostly because of PK relics ๐ฆ
nocturne gate
at least have 44% crit 150% mastery with this build
lone junco
@marble hemlock I keed. but yeah. the 3vend is still bis for any ep build i think.
if I had the choice id go 3pk for a few weeks.
Hoping haste is stronk with prepatch. I can do 40crit 40h 115 mastery
somewhere in there.
afk work
marble hemlock
new bleed spec with sephuz
LUL
shoulders+cloak is all you need
one fok to rule them all
need that 100% giga-stacked fok though
and then just afk
for the rest of the fight
so you get gigastacks for next pull again
or were you talking about singletarget?
steep obsidian
wut
rose violet
Someone has a crush on fok
steep obsidian
dont we lose the traits and pk when the patch drops though?
or do we keep the artifact active for a little bit
rose violet
Your traits are gone once the prepatch hits
So any high ilvl relic is gonna be an upgrade
lone junco
@marble hemlock @gusty kestrel I was messing around on live and with a kick and Alac I was hitting 115% haste. So 95% without Alac. Should be neat at least. There's probably a synergy but a bota on conc exang will be neat.
lone junco
Yeah.
marble hemlock
if youre doing
internal bleeding aswell
internal bleeding, bota rupture, garrote, 115% haste exsang
lone junco
Dunno. But I hope to see a 7m peak opener over 30s
marble hemlock
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lone junco
Live with new conc is like 5m
marble hemlock
can you even kidney the dummy though? ๐ฆ
lone junco
Might be trash in raid. But should be fun In m+ at least.