dota2 god now became the new wow-rogue god
#assassination
marble hemlock
exotic glen
ashine is bae
marble hemlock
not as bae as divine or herudra tho
steep obsidian
some of the teams pulled of some impressive shit but it also possible they were a little lucky
in the eu
marble hemlock
mmy!, aka dai, aka x!!, who was in multiple internationals, of glorious EHOME and Team DK fame, is one of the rogues on skylineD ๐
steep obsidian
yeah but tehy were both pretty impressive
marble hemlock
he will play rogue in a few dungeons
drifting cloud
yeah I remember the name from dotes
marble hemlock
unlikely
steep obsidian
hmm i guess
marble hemlock
pogchamp benefits the most
since theyre running mage/hunter or mage/lock
jay has been playing monk a lot tho
steep obsidian
yeah whatever team pulled off tyr xavius with no defensive legos
and one death was impressive
i cant remember who that was though
drifting cloud
wasnt it ashine who forgot to swap gear lmao
steep obsidian
i cant remmeber who that was though
proud gust
So for single target my boots sim higher than bracers (I have 985 bracers) but for mythic+ I'm assuming boots are pretty much worthless, atleast for trash. So for trash should I be swapping to bracers?
steep obsidian
boots are good for high key bosses espec on tyr if you dont have vanish up for the pull
assuming you have shoulders as well i mean
and take them off in that situation
proud gust
Are there any situations I should use the cloak?
proud gust
Haha okay. Should I be using FoK from stealth? If I have full combo points should I rupture a high priority target instead?
For mythic+
wheat zealot
If you have mantle you should be envenoming out of your vanish with 5 cp
Without mantle you would rupture
odd hazel
would you ever rupter from vanish?
stoic rover
vanish 5 cp rupture without shoulders
fervent beacon
or if you're playing bleed
latent gazelle
anyone know of an addon or weakaura that will alert me when i dont have a talent selected? using Soul for outlaw n switched to Sin for a M+. and didnt go retalent Vigor
fervent beacon
or just have the muscle memory ๐คท
steep obsidian
i mean if you have the default ui there is a big thing that glows near the talent button ๐
it would be easy to make a weak aura for that though
there's a weak auras discord if you feel you want someone to help you show how
nimble tartan
i see streamers have their talents always showing on their screen
main olive
Is anyone use Kui Nameplates ?
solid nova
Dont post the same question in every spec channel...
patent topaz
just came home drunk, my guild was doing mythic gul dan for the first time, I was the 20th and I got the mount
easy game
supple hearth
@main olive no
wet otter
so not a rogue main but, i was looking through logs of a guildie ass rogue on mythic argus, is there any reason he should be holding vanish until his second toxic blade? i was wondering if he was holding it for after the first rage come out but it seems like he's been doing this on other bosses...
exotic glen
the criteria for using vanish is using vendetta as well
and you saved vanish for vendetta, not the other way around
if he followed that, he did it right
@wet otter did i answer your question with that? And i assume he is using legendary shoulders?
wet otter
im not sure, i play assassin on the side and i feel like i have a good handle of it
yeah he has shoulders
he goes garrote, mut, rupture, vendetta, kingsbane, tb, then normally here youd vanish and eviscerate right. but he doesnt
than like twenty seconds later he vanishes, envenom, toxic blade mut envenom or something like that
exotic glen
yeah that is really wrong
you want to stack cooldowns if you can
also, tell him to use tb > kingsbane
that does more damage
wet otter
he does tb to kb i just listed it wrong
exotic glen
oh ok
if you want a bit more proper analysis, you can always link your logs
but otherwise, i hope you got your question answered
wet otter
yeah im pretty confident with the right opener but i wasnt sure if there was some meta to hold it for after the rage going out
thx for the replies
exotic glen
anytime dude
loud nacelle
which is better in crucible, Master assasin, Strangler, or Toxic blades
exotic glen
master assassin
marble hemlock
@loud nacelle you can have a look at it here, just choose relics for assa, and choose the legendaries you're playing, and you will get a general idea as to whats good and what isnt https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
exotic glen
goodguy seli
marble hemlock
the exact value may vary a bit, so its always a good idea to just sim yourself, but in general master assassin is a lot better than toxic blades or strangler
exotic glen
also remember, that it is default on single target. you can set it to more targets, which will change the values quite a bit
loud nacelle
Thanks guys
forest wharf
I come bearing questions! Looking for some clarification on some rotational stuff. 1) During Kingsbane window, is it better to just keep Envenom up at all costs (3 CP even) or try to delay for bigger ones? 2) Toxic Blade on CD or try to line up with Kingsbane?
exotic glen
- delay for bigger ones. always go for 4cp+
- all cooldowns on CD. except vanish
forest wharf
also during kingsbane, if you get lucky and get a double crit right after an Envenom, should you use it ASAP or delay until envenom is about to run out?
exotic glen
unless you have a reason to spam finishers (overload of energy could be an example), just take it slow and pace your envenoms.
your aim regarding envenom is highest uptime possible while not overcapping on energy
forest wharf
I think my biggest struggle is pacing. I come mostly from Enhance/War/DK where if you have a button HIT THE BUTTON WRRAAUUGGHHH
forest wharf
OH another question. Should the goal to be to keep Surge of Toxins up at all times or most importantly during Kingsbane?
exotic glen
dont focus on surge of toxins outside of kingsbane
forest wharf
just focus on keeping up dots and getting as many envenoms as possible?
forest wharf
<3<3
alpine pilot
Should I be delaying TB for the last 9 secs of KB? What's the maximum time I should hold TB for if that's the case? How much dmg do I miss out on if I don't hold TB for the last 9 secs of KB and just use it on CD?
Also, is there a channel for log reviews?
spare cloud
@alpine pilot You can use this channel for log reviews. Just post them and people will respond when they have the time
keen remnant
there is something wrong with amr sims? no channels seems to recommend
odd hazel
Raidbots is just more accurate
keen remnant
any benchmark ?
plain thistle
for BfA you mean?
keen remnant
no, comparing outputs at any time
civic palm
AMR mostly disliked Discord at that time, don't think that there was anything targeting us in particular, was there?
spare cloud
If we're part of the big group then they dislike us as well ๐คท
spare cloud
there are none
keen remnant
whaat
civic palm
Their APL was shit a while ago, so we didn't point people to them for benchmarking.
eg. Casting two spells that trigger GCD on the same GCD, and it was there for weeks.
So no thanks.
spare cloud
Comparing logs to sims?
spare cloud
If you have the knowledge then you should check each of them yourself and then decide which one you should use
spare cloud
Personally I've never worked with APLs so all I can do is trust the people I talk to
and use that
spare cloud
Yeah well, I don't know which option has the least amount of issues
I'm not a developer
keen remnant
amr is blackbox :/
supple hearth
Amr has bad relations with the community is the biggest issue.
keen remnant
yeap that drama was nuts
that idea to simulate a tier boss fight and them compare against WCL could really benefit us or simc accuracy
spare cloud
how so
I don't see how comparing against humans that have flaws in their play would benefit accuracy
keen remnant
spell mechanics can be checked like pointed above, casting two times and this is impossible because of gcd
offtopic here Ill stop
civic palm
WCL comparisons have to be done on a case-by-case basis and while there are some other services that handle that kind of things (eg. WoWAnalyzer) those services must be maintained; while that kind of service is nice it's also customizable by the author and the user has little control.
In the terms of watching the APL it just has to be basically spell-checked for weird things, the APL/etc. are not capable of finding that stuff itself.
spare cloud
I mean most weird things would probably be discovered rather fast
Like doublecasting in a gcd is found pretty quickly in the output
I assume
civic palm
Yeah Noobe was looking at the AMR APL for their opener compared to SIMc's and I noticed the GCD idiocy pretty much immediately.
shrewd pine
AMR
keen inlet
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
If their sims have issues, they have a discord, let em know
(if you care about it)
steep obsidian
AMR :\
keen inlet
Eh. I'm in favor of burying that hatchet
shrewd pine
I used AMR for a bit, I was bad
keen inlet
In theory, the rivalries between sites and systems should drive competition and create better tools/sims/etc.
In reality, some sites just optimize/invest in paid search and win out, and can either plagiarize content or just not even worry about keeping it up to date.
So co-operation between sources at least ensures that some correct info will get out to the end users who need it
lone junco
@keen inlet that being said, i was a subscriber, and cancelled that shit.
hoary copper
woah, Noobe changed his avatar
AMR complains about discord, but they have a discord?
shrewd pine
its rather complaining about discord communities afaik
keen inlet
Off-topic at this point, but it was a couple blogposts that were smear pieces against the class discords.
lime heart
is there a guide to the mage tower challenge somewhere? ๐
lime heart
thought maybe there was a guide made by the people here, but thanks, I shoulda thought to google first ๐
shrewd pine
the WoWhead one is fairly in detail and contains all you need
keen inlet
for the sin challenge the wowhead guide is more than enough
supple hearth
Did anyone mention the wowhead guide yet? /S Wowhead for all the mage tower guides.
shrewd pine
why would you suggest wowhead? I heard wowhead has the best guide.
dire spoke
vast tulip
Preepach maby 18 July EU ๐ฎ Rip 4 week left No morre AP wepon
strange python
Guys when Aoeing with Assassination should i prioritize Envenom than Rupture?
exotic glen
depends a lot
strange python
how so
exotic glen
you need to not be energystarved, and you dont want to overcap too much
you need to also determine if the enemy will live for the full duration
of rupture
exotic glen
well since mobs die really fast, rupture wont do any damage really
so as long as you have the energy for it, you envenom
if you dont, you rupture
in your case, rupture is nothing more than energy management
strange python
Aight
frigid briar
nagamune do you mean in dungeons where shit doesnt die instantly like mythic+?
spiral jolt
Can someone please link me the best WA for a new Assassination rogue? I want the most useful one
marble hemlock
there is no such thing
as a "best" or "most useful" WA
there is a set of WAs for every spec linked in the pins, you can check out those, and see if they're to your liking
strange python
hey guys I found on a blog post(if I remember correctly by the guy doing AskMrRobot) tha t you could envenom at 3+ CP to maintain uptime on Envenom+4p buff but I haven't seen this information anywhere else so I wanted to doublecheck. Even if that's true, it would only be worth if you reach a certain amount of crit I guess so are there some simulations/stats on this somewhere to be found ?
shrewd night
marble hemlock
its generally advised to check out the pins first, same as any FAQ or sticky in a forum
eager hearth
The only WA you need is the one that tells you when your deadly poison is about to run out or needs to be applied
hoary copper
1.) Dont read AMR
spare cloud
Don't do math
hoary copper
2.) We dont really track SoT (if thats what it was), in most instances you want to do finishers at 4+
Math is good for you Toph
spare cloud
I track SoT
marble hemlock
you usually track either SoT or VP, and the other one is the same timer with just a second more or less, no need to track both imo
spare cloud
Yeah
lone junco
@strange python guide recommends 4,5cp env. and 4,5 cp ruptures. I redid the APL for simc, to do 3,4,5 ruptures and it was a tiny gain. 3,4,5 env was a tiny loss. I (probably unlike you) have very high crit, so the 3cp condition is probably less common, so for ME, i can finish at 3cp in a pinch. however, it's just not ideal.
primal iron
Been gone for like 5months.
Hiw are rogues looking now and how are we gonna be in bfa? I think i heard mastery will scale poisons and bleeds now?
fleet whale
yes mastery will scale with both poisons and bleeds in BFA and they will scale with haste too
shell pawn
is mastery gonna scale with poison bomb? i saw that master poisoner will not scale with poison bomb talent
dire spoke
๐
spare cloud
Yesn't
strange python
no it wont
timid anvil
no i do
dire spoke
no un't
timid anvil
un'st've'd
civic palm
spare cloud
Yes
thorn moth
i relog my rogue after 3 months
and am doing 1.3M instead of 2M
like wtf
and then i realize i didnt have poisons on
lol
was like ah yeah, thatll do it
shut finch
yeup
timid anvil
mine is usually... "fuck where is my energy?.. oh, poisons need to be reapplied".
thorn moth
yeah i noticed like half way through garothi
that my energy regen was shit
but took me comparing my dmg to this other sin rogue
and noticing that i was missing deadly poison
at the top of the charts lol
tiny mulch
LUL
strange python
HI GUYS WHATS GONNA BE THE BEST SPEC AND STATS FOR 8.0?
strange python
it doesnt answer my question tho
mossy olive
Don't worry Sassy friends, we got your back. C_C
rare lotus
hi
rare lotus
for the rogue assassination the legendary bis are essential or can you do without?
strange python
essentials
brisk forge
At this point it dosent really matter tbh. So you can do Well with none "bis"
calm grail
BiS are probs Valeeras and Kiljaedens
frigid lagoon
Im sorry if this has already been gone over. Im looking to main Rogue in BFA. How does Sin look compared to Outlaw and Sub in terms of PVE? Thank you
dire spoke
depends how your gear looks like, I mean you can xmog
spice ice
This guy gets it
solid nova
frigid lagoon
Thank you
supple hearth
steep obsidian
will be more like
which dumb items aren't squished properly that i can exploit for a few days until they get fixed on live
coz there will be some
steep obsidian
combat daggers for pveeeee
wanst it 31 5 15 or someting i cant remember
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#f0gcoLZMeV00Ez0roV there you go 15 31 5
im helpful
manic vigil
steep obsidian
fuck that shit was boring to play though
barely had enough cp to keep up snd from memory
manic vigil
I was playing mage back then. But some rogue as well. Can't remember any of it though
steep obsidian
hemo?
sage lintel
yeah
steep obsidian
im pretty sure i was using hemo when i levelled the first time
coz like who the hell knew what to take
sage lintel
but you needed a 2.9 weapon since for some strange reason it was not affected by the attack speed normalization blizzu added somewhere in 1.1 or 1.2
strange python
no
somber dagger
OK ty
somber dagger
same with vendetta? just use on CD
shrewd pine
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
shrewd pine
read that
vast quiver
What is the rotation from rogue without the legendary shoulders ?
civic palm
Apply the logic from the opener to the rest of the rotation.
Any specific scenario that you are interested in?
exotic glen
just do what the "Single Target Rotation" in the sin guide says
dire spoke
๐
final river
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vDFrtRHJQqcfCPZ9#fight=3&type=damage-done somebody can help me? what i doing wrong?
final river
i w8 too mutch to use vendetta?
sudden brook
yeah, u should just use it on CD
unless u need it for ads, or the boss is about to phase or w.e
strange python
kingsbane uptime was 37% compared to the usual 45% ish
exotic glen
ok so not then
strange python
i think you are overreacted to the eradication, it shows close to 15s downtime for each, shouldn't be that long
final river
i understand. I need use toxic blade on cd, not w8 king's bane. Need use Vendetta on cd too.
exotic glen
also pressing feint 3 times
strange python
you wasted some combo points, don't mutilate at 4cp
final river
@strange python eradication? sorry i miss this
strange python
the giant boss slam aoe
dire spoke
@final river you need to plan your bleeds better be prepared for cooldown phases https://snag.gy/OT4GAg.jpg
that's alot of doing no damage
final river
@strange python new guild, afraid to do shit with mechanics ๐ฆ
@dire spoke i think about this today, i refresh rupture to early maybe
dire spoke
@final river that's no excuse to hit cooldowns and run away
either run or hit cooldowns
dire spoke
except you want to soak something and aren't in range
then don't press CDs
You have a messy SoT uptime while KB aswell, you want 95-100% uptime during kingsbane
the bleed planning also messed up your envenom casts during TB
you hit max. 2 with luck in last second
exotic glen
what zempai said
strange python
no envenom during all of that tb
and bleeds
need to be aware of tb cooldown so you dont have refresh bleeds during its duration and not on low energy
dire spoke
thanks for reiterating 
exotic glen
your fight lasted an entire minute more than mine, and we had the exact same casts of envenom
your 4:24 fight with 33 envenoms vs my 3:25 with 33 casts
are you overcapping or wtf
dire spoke
also missed one vendetta
final river
ok, ty guys. I take note of every think and gonna try make this better. I really apreciate that
exotic glen
have fun dude, come back with some new and improved logs later!
even though it will only matter for a few weeks haha
strange python
may your poison bombs be thicc
exotic glen
this was one of the more fun logs lol
almost everytime somethings fucked in the opener
or they save tb for kb
dire spoke
hey how are my logs 
no I didn't read any guide
dire spoke
I was referring to other Q
dire spoke
to the ones you referred to with openers or delaying
exotic glen
ah right yee
exotic glen
!assaguide !assguide !assassinationguide !guide
is also a classic
when its in the fucking header lmao
strange python
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
exotic glen
!GiveMeThatGuideNow
dire spoke
you should start reading
strange python
"assguide" sounds intriguing
exotic glen
show me the way to the booty
sudden brook
can you guys do my logs? i wanna see how can i suck less
dire spoke
did you read the guide?
sudden brook
yuh
dire spoke
did you understand it?
sudden brook
yuh
dire spoke
try harder then
sudden brook
LOL
dire spoke
you probably look at your parse whilst the killtime sucks or/and pb procs are low
your parse doesn't show you how well you did
after more than half a year into content
@sudden brook
exotic glen
also, there are just some people that do more mechanics
running out of melee to soak annihilation
dire spoke
doing mechanics 
exotic glen
lmao only nerds do mechanics
@sudden brook do you actually need help or are you memeing? i cant tell anymore 
sudden brook
im srs, isnt 74% low when i PB for 12%
dire spoke
how is this low when killtimes are near 2:30 and there are rogues with 20% PB
just re-read what I wrote
sudden brook
yeah i guess u have a point
dire spoke
ilvl parse 
sudden brook
LOL
dire spoke
exotic glen
i remember on like week 2 of public mythic argus logs coming out
some assa rogue did 2,4 mil dps
with INSANE pb dmg
sudden brook
my 19% is from high command LOL
sudden brook
thats actually so fucking toxic
i hope it doesnt get buffs honestly, its so dumb rn with how much mastery you get
spare cloud
Good morning
exotic glen
morning toffe
sudden brook
goodmorning father
dire spoke
dire spoke
I get 150k today again
spare cloud
What
dire spoke
it's sellrun-day
spare cloud
What are you selling
dire spoke
antorus hc and guldan mount
exotic glen
the poaching is real
dire spoke
well it's nearly a token for 3 hours of work so idc
spare cloud
wait what the fuck it takes you 3 hours to clear antorus and gul'dan
sudden brook
LOL
spare cloud
what
dire spoke
๐คฆ๐ป
dire spoke
2x 150k for 1,5h hard maths
dire spoke
bfa
exotic glen
CoD
spare cloud
Yeah but if you have to play on na
exotic glen
i imagine theirs would be high
spare cloud
Yeah but in china everyone has at least a few million gold
dire spoke
JeevesBOT - Today at 06:20
@dire spoke, (EU) Token Price: 332,052
better buy one fast
spare cloud
I dont have the gold
exotic glen
i remember when it was 20k per token
dire spoke
maybe you should join our sellrun 
sudden brook
i bought hellfire core like 2 weeks ago im a broke boy again
dire spoke
F
sudden brook
well like the guild died and we were on alliance so it was hard to find more so all my friends just quit cuz we were super burnt out cuz we were super tryhard with maw of souls
unlukcy
spare cloud
super tryhard with maw of souls 
dire spoke
I did 15 ish random runs on guldaddy M until I got the core ๐คท๐ป
sudden brook
like we spammed maw of souls all day every day
spare cloud
I would be force to downgrade in worldranks to raid the same amount of hours
exotic glen
got no idea wtf i'd do if they ripped
sudden brook
like we just spammed maw of souls all day and then raided then did more maw of souls we were just brunt out by nighthold after guild died
spare cloud
y tho
exotic glen
AP grind
sudden brook
i dont really know
exotic glen
and it ended up being absolutely useless
sudden brook
it was fun
exotic glen
very fast
exotic glen
GOTTA MIN/MAX LIKE METHOD
sudden brook
we were the ppl that cared about DPS rankings so we minmaxed like apes
exotic glen
200 MOS RUNS PER DAY
sudden brook
LISTEN ITS FUN TO BE A TRYHARD OKAY LOL
exotic glen
ITS FUN TO BURN OUT
spare cloud
Tryhard isnt just running maw of souls like a monkey all day
sudden brook
WE WOULDNT HAVE BURNT OUT IF THE GUILD DIDNT DIE
spare cloud
ok
exotic glen
REEEEEEEEEEE
sudden brook
LMFAO
spare cloud
Zempai didnt need the traits in nighthold because his guild wasnt reaching the bosses where it mattered anyways
sudden brook
even if im not in a top 100 guild or w.e doing tryhard shit is just fun to me idk what it is
spare cloud
dire spoke
we got to guldaddy one day before next tier released OKAY
sudden brook
oof
dire spoke
I'm glad we didn't kill FA and progress KJ tbh
spare cloud
I enjoyed tomb
sudden brook
i liked watching ppl play thru tomb, glad i didnt have to live thru it
sudden brook
i mean as a rogue ya, but idk, seemed like a lot of fights were like vari, where one persons fuck up kills the entire raid
dire spoke
these are the best bosses tbh
exotic glen
i liked kj progress because it was so fucking unrelenting
theres some kind of fucked up pride in having killed one of the most notoriously hard bosses
dire spoke
Star Augur, Maiden, Var all showed who the fuck is actually playing correctly
exotic glen
i remember we had a healer afk on kj toph
spare cloud
Yeah I think we killed KJ with the crucible patch
exotic glen
and on knockback, he got knocked exactly onto the ledge, which is pointed upwards
spare cloud
Like on that wednesday
exotic glen
meaning he hit solid ground everytime a new knockback came it
who would have though the best strat was to just afk
spare cloud
i mean date
dire spoke
september 17
drifting cloud
im like 100% sure it was between 40-60 guilds that killed it precrucible
just dont remember exact number
dire spoke
or?
drifting cloud
precrucible the boss had an actual enrage
exotic glen
i remember the raid before crucibles, we had FA down to like 15%
crucible comes in, and we oneshot him next raid without a single problem
we were just like ????????
spare cloud
dmg increase was big btw
dire spoke
oh wait it was june 17 I think
exotic glen
almost a year
dire spoke
idk
drifting cloud
theres no way it was june
dire spoke
fuck it
drifting cloud
lol
spare cloud
june was tomb release
dire spoke
shitty date fucking articles prepatch news cucks
exotic glen
no
dire spoke
exotic glen
uh well
theres gonna be a ton of people visiting my apartment to check it out because its put up for sale
and they all come between 8-9
and its too late for me to change my sleep for me to wake up before that
so im just staying up till 10
spare cloud
Why sell your apartment when you're still living in it?
dire spoke
just open the door and go to sleep
dire spoke
exotic glen
@spare cloud i have 3 months until i need to move out
spare cloud
Do you have a new place
spare cloud
Unlucky
dire spoke
exotic glen
not really
dire spoke
HI MOM I'M BACK
spare cloud
You're just gonna become homeless?
dire spoke
drifting cloud
hes getting evicted because of his logs
spare cloud
What if he wants to be homeless
exotic glen
its impossible to find someplace where you can move in in 3 months
spare cloud
Why are they coming to look at it though
exotic glen
they're all like, you have 2 days to answer yes / no, and you need to move in in about a week
spare cloud
when they can only move in in 3 months
dire spoke
but you not?
spare cloud
exotic glen
culd u nut
exotic glen
just get buttfucked in prison
spare cloud
I mean
exotic glen
:heHEE:
spare cloud
exotic glen
needs more nosehair
spare cloud
that guy probably
would get buttfucked in prison
you can hold on to that beard
it's convenient
dire spoke
exotic glen
by that logic, fat ppl get raped in prison as well
spare cloud
best protection you can have is unpenetratable anal hair
exotic glen
can just hang onto the fat rolls
spare cloud
Yeah but what if your dicks not long enough to actually reach the ass
spare cloud
I'm scared to offtopic
from what happened earlier
girl getting fucked while pooping and the shit hanging out of her anus
spare cloud
Yes
exotic glen
dam
exotic glen
nice
strange python
Wtf
exotic glen
what
spare cloud
kpop is live
not gonna lie
Why the fuck do people use addons for the kirin tor world quests
exotic glen
fuck it im going to bed, im too tired
if i have to experience pain, let it be tomorrow
because im a pussy
supple hearth
wintry monolith
anyone know if their is specific addons to say the duration of my poisons on an enemy?
steep obsidian
the default ui shows that?
vestal wren
literally every buff/debuff tracking addon
steep obsidian
weak auras can do almost anything with the ui
timid anvil
wow feels lucky man... bought a lego and got shoulders, then just got wrists from m+
maybe like 4 days apart.
vestal wren
gz
jagged elk
hey guys
how many master assassin relics do you want to have as sin rogue?
vernal adder
9
steep obsidian
1 or 3 for a non troll answer
vernal adder
or is sabod trolling
vestal wren
keep the trolling to #off-topic, thanks @vernal adder
wind stump
okay so the assassination guide pinned here mentions poison build and bleed build, is one preferred for the mage tower challenge? ๐ฎ
vestal wren
the option that trivialize the fight the most are the defensive legendary items (neck and legs)
it does not matter if you go bleed or poison
devout veldt
will of valeera(legs) and blinding the blood of the father cast totally trivialize the fight
wind stump
sounds good. I haven't played virtually any assassination rogue so i wasn't sure how i wanted to approach a build, but i'll try to use these tips, despite not having those legendaries
devout veldt
if you dont have the legs, just using leeching poison can be enough
just have to be a bit more careful
strange python
I did it without the legs, leech is more than enough
steep obsidian
yeah if you have current tier gear it shoulkd be really easy
legs are really only there if you fuck up to carry you
solid nova
@strange python SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
Its in the bar at the top and
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
strange python
in spanish?
steep obsidian
wut?
solid nova
The guide is only in English
steep obsidian
oh
vernal adder
translate it Richard
vernal adder
why did you save that
solid nova
Its a gyazo from earlier today
Takes 10 seconds to revisit the post
No effort required
fiery nest
sounds like it took 10 seconds of effort
supple hearth
@strange python we don't have a Spanish guide sorry.
lilac osprey
@wind stump Just did the Mage Tower today with the leg and neck leggo as 957. watched one youtube video and killed him on the second try. it really is that easy. build doesnt really matter imo other then leeching poison. Aslong as you blind the melee dude as hes doing his ability and break the other dudes shield you'll be fine
wind stump
well i think all the challenges are easy at 957 ilvl, but yeah i've been going through the mechanics just kinda getting the muscle memory for the most part. I appreciate all the feedback!
lilac osprey
agreed. kinda just ran through it for the most part. Would of enjoyed experiencing it at the low 900's when you had to work for it but im late to the game.
drifting cloud
assa was a joke on release aswell
supple hearth
Ww/disc is the easiest mage tower challenge. Close behind that though is the assassination challenge. Literally just need to do mechanics and u win
vestal wren
do mechanics or have high itemlvl (and even easier with defensive legos)
prime rapids
the only mechanic i did was interrupting the one dude
i ignored literally everything else
devout temple
assassin challenge is very eazy especially w/ the gear u get now
sudden brook
every challenge is a joke with this much gear
dusk tapir
did sin challenge at 905 without enchants, drums, and only Insig of Ravenholdt
the challenge itself is just a joke
very ez ๐ go get it boiz
dire spoke
๐
civic palm
O _O"
hoary relic
exotic glen
like everyone else
spare cloud
no
lost horizon
Took me a few tries when I did it
crimson smelt
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
prime void
sudden brook
toxic
spare cloud
Mizu taking a step back from discord
only comes on once a week to flame some guy saying smth stupid
then is gone for a week again
spare cloud
No 
timid anvil
cloak or wrist (leg) for m+
spare cloud
Situational
timid anvil
I been using cloak for trash and wrist for boss so far
spare cloud
No
spare cloud
Its usable in some cases
spare cloud
Use shoulders and wrists
Most of the time
If you are doing big ass 30 mob pulls then you can use cloak
solid nova
There is definitely more situations where wrists will be more beneficial than cloak
timid anvil
alrighty, cheers guys ๐
spare cloud
Yes.
Also i wonder why most of the time i see seliathan using boots and shoulders
If wrists are that good
solid nova
P sure he goes shoulders/boots for bosses
spare cloud
Its entirely dependant on the dungeon setup
solid nova
Idk what hes using on trash
solid nova
But thats big boy key things so
spare cloud
Yeah
steep obsidian
tend to vanish more on trash coz holding it feels dumb
solid nova
Like, leggo setups is literally so dependant
Not sure why people keep looking for a set for all circumstances
It just doesnt exist
Or not efficiently at least
steep obsidian
i have a decent 4p2p set that almost sims as high as shoulders bracers
spare cloud
Depends on setup and timing really
steep obsidian
same
solid nova
So much shit
spare cloud
Musclebrah obviously
solid nova
Ashine?
solid nova
I wish he was ๐ฆ
sweet inlet
have we got a BiS list for M+ trinkets?
spare cloud
yes
strange python
What do u guys think was the best exp for assasination?
steep obsidian
umm
that is a hard question
probably this one tbh
if you talking about raiding anyway
faint sleet
Does anyone know a way to track # active ruptures using a weak aura for purposes of m+ (kind of like mark of crane stacks for ww monk)
steep obsidian
i find nameplates are decent for that rather then a weak aura you can try wago.io though yeh
what that guy said
manic vigil
"That guy" 
dire spoke
steep obsidian
same
i had one that used to show bars on my screen for multiple ruptures but it was too much screen realestate when i can just track easily in namplates that were already there but that just what works for me
im bad
hot copper
Hey guys! I'm picking up Assassination - but I can't really find out the difference between Bleed and Poison build, DPS wise?
strange python
poison is generally better and easier to gear for
hot copper
Does it vary per boss - or what's the gist?
strange python
bleed is better average damage at like 980 ilvl and perfect gear
bleed is unfavorable on some bosses like high command while poison is fine aoe or single target
faint sleet
@dire spoke I donโt want to track multiple ruptures, thatโs too much info on the UI (as someone else said). I just want one WA icon with a number that tells me how many are ticking.
civic palm
๐
strange python
any of you guys running sin in dungeons on beta? ive been mia for a while
yes
what spec are you running if you dont mind my asking
sin
๐ค
do you mean talents
yeah
dire spoke
@faint sleet I don't think it's to much info because if you're hitting more than 3 targets with rupture you're doing it wrong. And what gain do you assume by an icon showing 1, 2 or 3 without knowing any uptimes?
I made this thingy https://pastebin.com/fvPNm6fF and it's fine
strange python
First row you can pick whatever but blindside probably isn't good for dungeons, and imo elaborate planning being 4 seconds is kinda wack. You want nightstalker for crimson tempest. Vigor of course. And venom rush.
Some people have been trying marked for death but I don't like it.
Notice how this is all opinionated since no one knows the actual best talents as no tuning has been done yet.
Also, what? If every target will live through a rupture then you should rupture them all.
3 targets or not.
dire spoke
why would you rup more than 3 targets?
that never happens
and if you do, in my opinion it still doesn't make the idea of the counter weakaura better ๐คท๐ป
strange python
m+ on a high fortified key, it's not uncommon for me to rupture like 6 things
I agree that I would never use that weakaura anyway
dire spoke
8| you don't rupture in m+ for the damage
strange python
more damage than envenom
dire spoke
he drunk
marble hemlock
you dont envenom for the damage either
strange python
you can maintain envenom buff while rupturing things
spare cloud
You just want as many finishers as possible for poison bomb
marble hemlock
well, then you fok and overcap, since its more damage than both rupture and envenom ๐
strange python
I'll just go ahead and skip rupturing and see how it turns out.
marble hemlock
i mean you dont skip it entirely, but you generally dont rupture anymore once you start capping energy
spare cloud
Yeah just not rupture at all instead doing it on 6
marble hemlock
you only rupture priority targets
marble hemlock
and for energy-sustain. once that has been achieved, you just refresh ruptures for the energy, but spam envenom when at 4+ cp otherwise. or overcap CP and spam fok if you prefer consistent damage over fishing for bombs
so prio 1 = rupture for energy. prio 2 = keep up envenom 100%. prio 3 = fish for bombs and/or spam fok and overcap CP
strange python
You're insane if you think rupture damage is irrelevant
marble hemlock
it is
its even more irrelevant than al gore
rupture is like ~10% of your damage on trashpacks
dire spoke
if you rupture all targets no wonder it does most of your damage, bringing you to your opinion
marble hemlock
dire spoke
๐คฆ๐ป
strange python
Then the same argument can be turned around @dire spoke
marble hemlock
rupture damage is, in fact, irrelevant for aoe
no it cannot
its really simple actually
strange python
Holy shit
marble hemlock
you do a sim with 5targets, you take the envenom, rupture and fok damage per execute, and you compare them
strange python
If I see 6 targets that will live through all of a rupture
then I am rupturing them all
dire spoke
you can't do 116m (or any top3) with rupture in the same scenario the screenshot was made
so no it's not correct
marble hemlock
all rupture does is do damage. envenom gives you the envenom buff, which also happens to pandemic. fok just gives pure damage. have a look at those 3 damage per execute numbers, compare them with each other, take into account that some of them have opportunity cost, and then you should come to the same conclusion
solar willow
got a bit lucky with relics lately
solar willow
2 have the 1 has gushing wound
spare cloud
disenchant
strange python
it's not like I took the envenom skill off my bar
spare cloud
tbh
If it's gushing wound instead of a mass
then thats worse than like a 960 with better traits
strange python
I want to respectfully say that is full of shit
solar willow
but i simmed them before putting them on
marble hemlock
in any given aoe situation, theres absolutely no reason to rupture on a non-priority target if you dont need it for the venomous wounds energy.
and im not speaking about 3-4 mobs there, because thats where you generally do rupture for energy still. im talking 6+ mobs where even 2 ruptures and t21 are already enough to sustain energy
dire spoke
it also doesn't matter if tyr / fort to make the statement complete
marble hemlock
as you can see the DPE from both envenom and rupture are almost identical, obviously mileage for your gear may very
civic palm
O _O wtf am I reading O _O
marble hemlock
that is, however, only the case if the rupture runs full duration, which it rarely does on tyrannical due to packs being very short lived. it also doesnt take into account the possibility of just spamming fok instead of finishing for more consistent damage, or the fact that you may want to envenom because your concordance or stat-proc is going to run out in a second
so if you truly care about minmaxing aoe damage in m+, i suggest you take that advice. you may not do much worse with your current playstyle, but it certainly isnt optimal.
dire spoke
Seli showing off his (never)+30 insight
marble hemlock
in case its not clear, the DPE is the last column
strange python
what can I say. You learn more every day
marble hemlock
so 3.6mil for rupture, 3.2mil for envenom, 4.4mil for fok. that is with 7/7 malch and 7/7pk, 5targets, 40 second fight
strange python
thank you for being mature
marble hemlock
penis
strange python
I've done my fair share of high keys and that is news to me
civic palm
๐ฅ 's are tasty.
spare cloud
playing much =/= playing correctly
sand whale
in which dungeon do you rupture 6 targets
strange python
well, I like to think I did pretty well for myself.
marble hemlock
what it usually comes down to is fokking twice, and then finishing. generally, because you dont always get 4+cp with a fully aoe-optimized gearset (which just completely ignores crit in favour of mastery and versa) that leads to lower duration ruptures. so in order to sustain energy and keep up envenom, you usally do fok>fok>envenom>fok>fok>rupture>repeat
civic palm
In the one where the targets live for ~24 seconds O _O
spare cloud
No
solar willow
who plays assas in m+ anyway
sand whale
dman son that's some bad fort trash dps if they live for that long
civic palm
That's the point. O _O
spare cloud
marble hemlock
for different reasons though
dire spoke
Muskelbruder Gosehojann
civic palm
Yeah for specific reasons, not 100% of the time.
spare cloud
I don't think thats what he was trying to say.
marble hemlock
skylineD played assa in their first hov for the slow, in teh second one they just said fuck it
muscle was playing assa in brh/upper, ashine played assa in upper aswell
civic palm
and while it was for utility, the numbers on boss were ๐
marble hemlock
which really only comes down to not being able to pull trash into bosses in these dungeons
civic palm
Yeah.
marble hemlock
for MDI? sure
strange python
some people act like they've never been wrong before
marble hemlock
on live? thats simply not true anymore, id say at least half of the rogues still pushing 23+ keys right now play assa, not sub
spare cloud
strange python
you're a real gem toph.
marble hemlock
only rogue thats pushing hard that is not playing assa in any dungeon, is grimzyo
spare cloud
I mean in the recent messages you've written i'd say about 50% of it was wrong
marble hemlock
all the others, including people like crenix, have been seen to play more and more assa in highkeys, because its simply better than sub right now ๐
civic palm
wtb better SUB tier O _O
marble hemlock
with a few exceptions in very specific keys, obviously
spare cloud
Also when the objective is timing a lets say 28 then there are much different priorities than getting a good time on a 25
marble hemlock
anyway @strange python the multi rupture youve been doing so far isnt bad g ameplay, its just not optimal. youre not going to get more than maybe 100-200k overall out of not rupturing as much, if at all
spare cloud
I don't rupture at all
I just open with fok and spam it
because it does the most dmg
๐คท
marble hemlock
on gigapulls you dont rupture