nice attention span
#assassination
drifting cloud
do you have blind on bars
lunar gulch
yesir
dire spoke
did you watch a YT video or read the wowhead guide
drifting cloud
I got nothing else, its literally the easiest mage tower for one of the easiest specs in the game
lunar gulch
Ive did it all my friend lol
drifting cloud
at 950 you should be able to go afk and still do it
acoustic flame
I think it's the worst one tbh]
strange python
at 950 leeching poison should heal through everything and more
acoustic flame
but yeah, at 950 you outheal everything by miles
dire spoke
ilvl doesn't do much except outheal/outdps stuff, since it's a challenge you still need to understand wth a class can do
chrome plume
run over the runes dodge the valkyr and interrupt the main bitches blood of the father
dire spoke
no need to tell them, they read the guide and everything
chrome plume
i just did it recently so it's still fresh for me
mild obsidian
You literally keep the bitch blinded nearly the entire fight
how can you not do it lol
chrome plume
You don't even have to
buoyant ember
Has anyone else noticed a decrease in dps in the past 2 weeks?
steep obsidian
yes my dps has dropped to 0 because i have only logged on to afk in dalaran
also no you prolly just having bad luck or something
buoyant ember
Yeah, must be. Ive looked through patch notes and see no changes, but mine has severely fallen off.
dire spoke
steep obsidian
๐
viscid helm
My PB was doing half of what it usually does
Clearly bug
Ye
@nimble tartan u dum
dire spoke
"b o r r o w"
viscid cedar
Hey guys, im not a rogue name, but can did I make the character look right? I'll try harder next time if not: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/tichondrius/papasucc
shrewd night
0/10 btw
viscid cedar
@solid nova I was in transmog but they're talking about actually productive stuff
vivid bone
unheard of, just interrupt and post your char to get shit on probably
solid nova
I dont see any previous posts ๐คท
Try again mate, they're lovely down in #transmog
I'd get a proper screenshot before wondering in, rather than an armoury link though
nimble tartan
so i can do BIG DPS
viscid helm
What do u play
jovial wharf
feelsbadman
literally mythic keystyone capitalism every monday night/early tuesday morning
gets declined from everything lmao. ๐ฆ
jovial wharf
if only I had a key. never got around to getting one this week. been busy rip
I usually have one too. just busy this week, so it's on me haha
solid nova
Seems like both your options arent great ๐
jovial wharf
Exactly!
solid nova
But yeah, standard rogue declines - should of made a monk ๐
viscid helm
I mean who cares at this point?
vivid bone
Not you Flowi
viscid helm
Expansion is over
vivid bone
Clearly
jovial wharf
I've got a monk haha.
solid nova
Flowi's already waiting for BFA to be over
stark heart
imagine being overly negative about WoW and still chatting in WoW discord
jovial wharf
for real
solid nova
Imagine yourself imagining that you're imagining being overly negative about WoW and chatting on a WoW discord o.0
chrome plume
most people still care about the game but don't like the state it's in
plus they just posted residentsleeper not so bad
solid nova
Flowi is fluent in sarcasm, don't take it so literally my man
jovial wharf
very tough to convey emotion over text
solid nova
Yeah no one ever can read my tears ๐ญ
brisk forge
For sure, thats why i love smileys, cant go wrong i think xD
chrome plume
i fucking hate emojis
brisk forge
๐
solid nova
๐
chrome plume
like that one
solid nova
Thats 100% a BM emoji
jovial wharf
what about
chrome plume
literally every time
jovial wharf
๐
brisk forge
Read a long text from me and you would kill yourself, i am over using smileys ๐๐โค๏ธ
jovial wharf
oh nice ๐ ๐ ๐ฆ
chrome plume
๐
jovial wharf
guess no key for me tonight then. been searching for almost an hour
feels๐ ฑ adman
jovial wharf
LOL
gotta save up more cash. i went poor recently
I already treated myself too much
aka skipped as much draenor rep grinding as possible
solid nova
Rip ๐ฐ
jovial wharf
Yeet
nah sorry for the pointless venting though. I usually have my own key every week. Now the week I don't have it i'm like "wow this is shitty" so I was just venting a little bit. ๐
jovial wharf
been signing up for so many
I either get declined, ignored, or they're all selling or twitch raffle winners, etc. etc.
i'm 940 lol
zealous dew
you horde EU ?
jovial wharf
Horde NA
zealous dew
rip
jovial wharf
why's that?
jovial wharf
I appreciate the offer my friend
jovial wharf
too poor lol
as I said above. I splurged my way out of draenor rep grinding lmao
sucks to suck for me
jovial wharf
no friends online currently. guild is a friends guild of only like, 5 people LOL
zealous dew
rip my friend
jovial wharf
don't get me wrong i'm not like begging or anything. just irritated and needed to vent a bit. cause now I know what it's like not having my own 15 key like I usually do
zealous dew
well
jovial wharf
I was busy this week and didn't have the time to farm one up haha
zealous dew
i get declined from 23s
even if i've almost timed all 24s
answer: why don't you play monk
jovial wharf
yeah people are weird about accepting invites
zealous dew
gave up on that shit
jovial wharf
oh as in why don't you play monk being the answer for you?
lol
if that's what you meant i mean. i may have misunderstood
zealous dew
yep
jovial wharf
aah okay gotcha
jovial wharf
yeah
they're fantastic, yeah, but god they are not required
but people need "muh optimal runs"
zealous dew
well aoe stun is great
jovial wharf
yeep
zealous dew
can't masspull as rogue
jovial wharf
during the mythic dungeon invitationals, I would occasionally spot a rogue
always caught me by surprise
I think one of them actually managed to pull ahead of a group that had a monk instead. may have just been better player skill by that point
zealous dew
hopefully it will change in bfa
jovial wharf
yeah
zealous dew
sick tired of these monks doing 20m dps
jovial wharf
Rogue is already looking nice. did you see the recent build with the new rogue talents and such?
i.e shuriken tornado?
zealous dew
haven't logged into beta for a while, last i heard wasn't working properly
jovial wharf
yeah
I think I'm allowed to post a picture in here?
was gonna share with you the little updates they'd made recently
or that are to come, rather
zealous dew
yeah saw them
jovial wharf
Yeee. wasn't sure if that was what you mean, since you said you hadn't been on in a while
but those look exciting
especially secret technique
also bringing back crimson tempest is nice, i missed that for a while
chrome plume
some weeb shit
jovial wharf
yeah lol
chrome plume
i dig it
jovial wharf
for sure. more AOE options the better imo
stark heart
imo Tornado seems like quite niche ability but I hope it's fine in that niche
jovial wharf
Yeah. And pretty expensive.
jovial wharf
How do you feel about secret technique?
stark heart
it's still energy efficient af because storm is 35
and you gain 4 storms for a price of not even 2
shrewd pine
Isn't that expensive when you put it into perspective of using Shuriken Storm 4 times and saving 4 GCDs
stark heart
and just rape one target
How do you feel about secret technique?
it's not working on beta
I like the concept
I have an idea in my head how it works based on spell data and I am fine with it
chrome plume
it's really hard to judge abilities that haven't had their numbers adjusted yet
stark heart
and saving 4 GCDs
as energy based class, and especially in BfA, gcd is not a resource, energy is
shrewd pine
numbers arent all that relevant, its more important of mechanics of the spell. so we dont end up with somethign that deals buttload of damage but will fuck you over half the time when you use it due to shitty mechanics
In terms of burst GCD is a resource. Doing damage in 5 GCDs or 8 GCDs is quite a different and can mean destroying pack earlier.
stark heart
sure
shrewd pine
However that point is moot if pack takes too long to kill and you'll eventually go out of energy and will have to wait to regen
stark heart
but if you kill pack in 5 gcds then you outgear it heavily already
shrewd pine
yea, but it also allowes for more prio-damage on a target that needs to die asap
which again, saving 3 GCD's is a good deal
stark heart
I hope for tornado to shine on herald of nzoth
but I have a feeling technique is gonna be too good overall damage
shrewd pine
the way I see it is that for certain raid bosses shuriknado will be viable option, but for general purpose, or dungeons, especially m+ Secret technique will be meta
but of course, number tuning can make anything happen so...
jovial wharf
Sorry Iโm just catching back up. Were you saying secret technique is broken as in itโs not in the build yet? Or it is and just wonโt work?
shrewd pine
it is in the talent tree and you can read the tooltip
but if you use it, nothing happens
jovial wharf
Ooh gotcha. Literally broken, rip
viscid helm
I really like secret tech it fits the rogue theme of BFA
Cos rogue doesnt work either
jovial wharf
Cause thatโs something really new theyโre working on. Tornado is probably easier cause theyโre just taking storm and makijg it go off 4 times in one spell
shrewd pine
LOL Flowi
jovial wharf
LOL
shrewd pine
dw, we'll get fixe din 8.1
they probably have working version on internal build or something
but it broke when patching it on beta
wierd shit can happen, like the AOE spells not disappearing recently
jovial wharf
Yeah, makes sense.
I try to catch some streamers playing beta lately, and Iโm not sure if Iโm just missing the players playing the spec
But most of he time Iโm seeing outlaw. Not sure if itโs out of good changes, or hoping that it will be better
Barely see any assassination or sub, unless itโs a big group testing raiding
shrewd pine
yea I havent seen ANY sub rogues at all, like zero
jovial wharf
Mhm. I would personally like to see outlaw do well, I find it fun
But in the end I want every rogue spec to work as it should
shrewd pine
I dont rly care tbh, while I was sub to be the "meta" I'll in the end play whatever is the most fun and is up there on meters and since BfA wont have legendary system, fotm rerolling wont be an issue
jovial wharf
Yeah for sure. And regardless of the spec doing better on the meters, you can literally pull those numbers too if you know our class well enough
So itโs all up to whatโs fun then
viscid helm
"Know our class well" ye i feel u, the 3 button rotations that can be done with foot pedals are very challenging
zealous dew
spinning crane kick requires 1 button
quick ice
2nd button for leg sweep to make M+ ezmode? ๐
Oh God that was from 3hrs ago dead channel
round ridge
true
solid nova
You're a long way from your tree gnome stonghold my man
round ridge
lock/assa/hpal still good comp? right?
exotic glen
in m+?
exotic glen
aw shiet pvp
exotic glen
my bad
solid nova
Im out of touch with pvp
exotic glen
you got it brotha
stark heart
Good Guy Argonic
exotic glen
i thought you were 
lorentz
just had a lock resign btw so you can join if you reroll ๐
viscid helm
Join what
exotic glen
my alt guild, its about rank 1400 world
do you wanna join flowi
ill hold a spot open for you
stark heart
I ain't touching warlock
exotic glen
why would you be then
viscid helm
I'd join if i still played
stark heart
pets + dots
viscid helm
Is Lorentz ditching hayde
exotic glen
lorentz what guild you in atm?
stark heart
banterz, you should understand them Flowi
warm parcel
Frostwhisper elite
stark heart
UnknownError
viscid helm
stark heart
viscid helm
stark heart
hint - you are being too serious about me being 
, my friend
exotic glen
now im
viscid helm
stark heart
jovial cedar
Hi guys, How long can I delay my toxic blade to wait for energy regen to try to have 3+ envenom during the TB window?
usually Im energy starved when it comes back
jovial cedar
alright I see
warm parcel
When you see tb has 7 sec. See your energy and cp
jovial cedar
basically trying to it on cd,, but build energy just bfr it comes off cd
warm parcel
Make a decicion what to do
jovial cedar
also, how much energy should I get roughly bfr it comes back off cd?
stark heart
Doesn't mean you should sit at energy cap but that is ideal scenario
jovial cedar
yes I can try to aim for 80%
strange python
what's your crit %
jovial cedar
35.62
strange python
that's p good
over time you get a feel for how much you need and it gets easier when mutilate crits a lot
warm parcel
5 stacks of argus buff 
strange python
So having quite a bit of trouble with my dps was wondering if a geared assassination rouge could give me a hand
lofty mantle
Sooooo why kingsbane after toxic blade
Shouldnโt you kingsbane then toxic blade so the poison gets added to it
wise frigate
TB doesn't add to the KB ticking total. Only your applied poison applications do.
warm parcel
That spell also has initial damage
wise frigate
And TB to buff the initial hit of KB. Cause it hits decently hard.
lofty mantle
Oh
haughty lily
does anyone recommend any weakauras for sin rogues?
pastel jetty
I'm not sure where else to ask this, but is sin looking any good in BFA?
strange python
@haughty lily Notter has a weakaura package in the pins, I use them, but modified some to my liking.
haughty lily
Oh sweet ๐ thanks
never used weekauras before so it would be nice to experiement with
strange python
@pastel jetty It's an opinionated question right now, one thing for sure is that our apm is going down. Personally, I'm not that fond of its single target at the moment, but crimson tempest is cool and fun.
Like I said you'd have to get an opinion for yourself. Like how the majority opinion on bfa sub rogue is that it is terrible but honestly I'm having a blast with it
pastel jetty
Thank's Connor!
strange python
And, some of the azerite pieces do look promising so we have to see where that leads
fleet whale
Also note that rogues in general do not play well at the start of an expansion with quest greens/blues. Legion was sort of an exception to this but in my experience it takes at least to get geared up with gear from the first raid for rogues to start to feel "good"
strange python
yeah, I've been trying to get somewhat decent gear to know how it feels. I hate playing the beta just to grind though, feels like a waste of time
fleet whale
yeah, that's why I don't really play beta that much
not going to grind out azerite and get geared up for no reason
strange python
the azerite situation is really silly
I have some good traits that unlock at 11, 12, 13, etc
but I would need literally weeks of farming for those
fleet whale
Some WQ's reward a good chunk of azerite but i'll admit idk what level it starts to really take off
strange python
at level 10 it jumps to needing 18000 for the next trait
doing every world quest... you can get like 3000 a day
fleet whale
thankfully the first tier of traits are the most useful ones
strange python
The gear from mythic dungeons has 2nd and 3rd traits that actually impact your dps
which would be lovely
if I could unlock them
fleet whale
do they? I haven't done any mythic dungeons yet
are the class specific are just general stuff?
royal lantern
they will probably do something like AK in legion too speed it up after a while
vernal adder
just sim it
quartz depot
how much crit do i need to sim myself
wise frigate
About sim yourself%
exotic glen
about 0% should do it liethe
deep beacon
Ijust got the shoulders lol.... I know I can read but ... any basic new things I should do. I generally use subterfuge and vanish and garotte i guess now i can envenom and stuff
drifting cloud
line it up with vendetta, use nightstalker
deep beacon
OK
golden radish
Hey, would someone be willing to have a look at my character and my logs and give me a few pointers n
*on how to improve
I want to get my Rogue ready for alt-mythic raids and don't think my damage output is up there yet
exotic glen
just link your logs
golden radish
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/thrall/stabarella Ideally mainly look at the newer logs as some parses are fairly old
And please don't kill me for my trinket ๐
drifting cloud
exotic glen
monkaS trinket
golden radish
I wish I had it on my main ๐
exotic glen
opener is off
read the guide in the header if you havent
vanish windows are wrongยจ
golden radish
I've read it a bit, but I might need to check it out again. How much do you think is the lack of wrists doing performance wise
I only got the shoulders like a week ago, I gotta get used to opener and vanish
exotic glen
whats your offpiece helmet look like
golden radish
Give me a sec, I'll check
But I simmed quite a few combinations and this came out on top
golden radish
960 Crit + Mastery offset helmet
Bracers is the last legendary I am missing
BiS Legendaries last monkaS
exotic glen
so its like your off piece bracers
i wouldnt guess its higher than maybe 15k dps difference depending on fight etc
anyways, read the guide first. your cooldowns are out the window
golden radish
Okay, in that case I assume it's mainly down to execution, since my stats should be quite okay
exotic glen
stats and itemization looks fine
exotic glen
in the NLC?
golden radish
nvm, must have been an addon messup
I do have it selected in NLC now that I checked
Thanks a lot for the help, let's hope I can put it into numbers ๐
I should get my bracers tonight, so that's something ๐
strange python
@golden radish I'm looking at your most recent varimathras kill. You wasted lots combo points, do not mutilate at 4 cp. Need to fix opener. Your second vanish was in the middle of nowhere. Save it for vendetta and toxic blade. It's not like you're going to get another cast anyway on most fights.
Envenom uptime was good. Need to work on getting the most out of toxic blade. Try not to refresh your bleeds during toxic blade.
Ideally you should be actively aware of the cooldown on toxic blade so you are a) not energy starved when it comes off cooldown and b) don't have to refresh bleeds during it
fast nacelle
did i just see an 980 eoc
drifting cloud
deep beacon
Have to admit these assassin shoulders sure make it a bit more fun ๐
shrewd night
Thatll last two weeks, then you want to kill yourself for wearing them
pastel jetty
Hey everyone, should I be using my TB and KB on CD, or wait till KB is at 9 seconds to use my TB?
strange python
on cooldown
pastel jetty
Thank you
strange python
Whoever added the overview of how to efficiently analyze our sims, thank you.
On the guide
wild willow
i got a 975 iron relic for multi strike crit
my current relic is 945 for increased deadly poison
should i use ethe 975?
drifting cloud
you should sim
haughty lily
whats the point of the kingsbane weak aura?
civic palm
Depends on what it tracks. If it's tracking ending stacks then you can tell whether you got a good KB average or not (though this... doesn't really do anything). If it's tracking just the duration it becomes easier to tell if/when you should ENV/RUP/TB.
lost horizon
or something to know when it's off CD ๐คท
i just track the cooldown and remaining duration
civic palm
I forgot the CD! Nice cover ๐
strange ravine
I think this is the biggest blizzard troll ever
strange python
ahah that is quite unfortunate!
your name is funny! it is not however fitting of a rogue
ahaha
what a confusing sentence friend
lean hill
Oops meant to edit not delete
strange python
lmao
lean hill
RIP your haste mastery though, 985 with socket. As I was trying to say I get tons of haste mastery but it's only ever base 960
snow siren
How is Gorshalach Legacy for assassination?
strange python
I believe it's not very good my friend!
snow siren
ffs
strange python
But this information is available on herodamage
snow siren
i got a 970 from the cache this week xD
snow siren
herodamage? is that a website, sorry im very new
snow siren
tyvm
still horizon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/caelestrasz/Acero hi, go ahead and tell me what im doing wrong and stuff i can improve to get better. Much appreciated
civic palm
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
strange python
you only hit shadow of varimathras with one of the 4 foks you casted!
the very first one
odd sequencing of abilities there friend
this is a weird one too for sure
you cast 4/5 cp ruptures back to back
quite a big dps loss!
solid nova
Just hover over the rupture icon and it will tell you what it was cast on ๐คท
strange python
oh thank you friend
fixed it ๐
you seem to do this quite a bit
it is very late at night and I am tired
but this was just one log so I suggest you read the guide because you seem to lack basic understanding of the spec!
the guide can be found in the pins
@still horizon
rare river
im new to assassination rogue and i was wondering on how i would use kingsbane and toxic blade without vendetta
forest acorn
on cd
rare river
so like say i open up and do my rotation and time pases and kingsbane and toxic blade come off cd. do i just kingsbane and toxic blade or wait for vendetta
solid nova
Why would you not use a cast if it was available?
Toxic blade is 25 seconds CD, Kingsbane is 45 seconds and Vendetta is relic dependant but 2minute base
Why would you hold them for such a long duration when you can use it and benefit?
rare river
got it! thanks!
solid nova
Its in the pinned guide which covers Tb/KB usage
wise frigate
GGZ. Good Guy Zempai.
hexed citrus
Yeah, Zempai is a good guy, Leaving us for a Save Argus Kill ๐
Just kidding, he realy Is a nice guy our klicker
dire spoke
prime void
hexed citrus
Iโm a friendly person... didnโt wanna say that Zempai Is a soa***** for leaving me alone with these crazy People xD
strange python
If there is a shared damage ability and one character pops a defensive and the other does not, does the player without the dmg reduction take a higher amount?
i swear it used to be like that in ToT and im being told im wrong
onyx sigil
It does work like that. Damage is split first, then DRs are applied.
Edited because I misread initially.
strange python
makes sense thanks
undone minnow
So i usually use my leggo shoulders and boots because they are the best I have right now. Although I just got my cloak and was gonna sim it to see if it would be worth switching gear for big aoe pulls. Does it sim it with it having a full 30 stacks?
undone minnow
oh alright thank you for the advice, thought it might at least be good for like big imp mobs or something like that
undone minnow
lol
strange python
cheat death or elusiveness on argus, we are wiping ph3 below 30%
m argus*
originally method said to run cheat death, but with the sac strat it gets wasted which is what the guide here says
lost horizon
FUCKING FINALLY GOT ARGUS
fiery nest
CD
lost horizon
97 on the first kill too bby
fiery nest
and grats
lost horizon
tyty
hexed citrus
Gratz
strange python
hexed citrus
@strange python i would say Elusivness
fiery nest
until you're a millimeter out of position with rage and/or the tank moves the boss funky and you get scythed when CD would have saved you ๐
give it a try tho can't hurt
dire spoke
Imagine not killing Argus on the fifth try
no @gusty kestrel
at least I didn't pay gold for it 
tbh I would have loved progressing it, but well
red prawn
damn dude got lucky lol
lost horizon
985 neck and bonus rolled a 970 ring lmao
wise frigate
austere zealot
sorry was watching netflix while i took screenshot
hexed citrus
Argus or Aggramar harder since the Nerv? Mythic based of course.
dire spoke
Argus is still harder than Aggr tho, if that answers the question
hexed citrus
Omfg... guild needed about 550 tries vor Aggr.... gonna need 700 for Argus? 
strange python
argus is a really fun fight though
dire spoke
yeah, after doing nothing while aggr you finally need to move around again
drifting cloud
550 wipes on aggra 
midnight belfry
Somewhat new to playing assas, what does rupture snapshot off of? Feral main so im pretty familiar with how it works and what the weakaura is showing me, just not sure what all I can proc it with
dire spoke
Nightstalker
midnight belfry
Thats the only thing?
The timer color on my WA is changing frequently, I figured it would be something else as well..
drifting cloud
pandemic probably
dire spoke
Rupture pandemic is around 7.2s
midnight belfry
Should you clip rupture on the opener or go straight to envenom after your first vanish
dire spoke
You should do what you're legendaries want you to do - you can read about it in the guide
midnight belfry
shoulders/wrists, but thank you.
strange python
who else loved legendaries that were passive buffs /s
dire spoke
what do you mean? they're entirely passive
oh Mage Tower Challenge Will be Accessible Always Towards End of Legion
cool
hexed citrus
๐๐ผ
grim wolf
hey, how does the opener change if u use bracer/boots for poison build?
wise frigate
Source Zemp?
supple hearth
@wise frigate #wowheadnews #mmochampionnews
wise frigate
Yeah I gathered from the link Tisumi posted.
hexed citrus
@grim wolf check the guide ๐
plain thistle
fuck me boys
I used vendetta on the second module ๐ข ๐ซ
the worst part.... it was already dead
๐ซ
lost horizon
fuck dude ๐ฆ feelsbad
plain thistle
super bad, it would be a 2.4M+ log for sure
lost horizon
that's rough dude, still a new best though?
i only just got my first argus kill tonight, was ~2.3m and felt like a god LOL
plain thistle
yes, still my best log, my second best is the first kill, almost 2 months ago ๐
alpine pilot
hey guys , X-post from basic question :
hey guys, how do i maximize vanish usage for assassination during raids?
should i be pooling beforehand? and what abilities do i want to save for the vanish window
this is with mantle legendary
would i want to use rupture during vanish window too? or just envenoms
fervent beacon
env 100% during vanish window, so if you need to refresh rupture, do it before you vanish
lost horizon
yeah def
ideally you want all your CDs rolling but
often you'll have vendetta+TB up
fervent beacon
You can delay vanish for vendetta as you can maximize the 100% crit usage in that window.
alpine pilot
but i want to have my 2 dots already refreshed and hav 4-5 cp + energy pooled to spam envenoms right?
lost horizon
save vanish for <30% boss health too (under the assumption that it won't lose you a cast)
alpine pilot
oh okay, i dont hav the wrist yet, but wen i get em, ill keeep that in mind
lost horizon
yeah your goal is to vanish+envenom for the NS buff on that first envenom
and have enough energy to mut+env for 3 total envenoms in the window
alpine pilot
thank you so much
fervent beacon
If you want further help, I'd recommend logging your fight and posting it here.
lost horizon
make sure to check out the pinned guide too, it's got great stuff
fervent beacon
But remember that majority of the top parses in heroic/mythic are from top geared rogue on farm status
alpine pilot
ive read the revenholdt pinned guide over like 5 times XD
thanks a lot guys!
right
hazy iron
( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ)
supple hearth
And by here he means #off-topic
fervent beacon
hazy iron
Yikes
fervent beacon
I like the KB before TB more tbh
hazy iron
That actually makes me feel so sick rn
fervent beacon
fervent beacon
Always TB before KB to buff KB starting damage if possible
hazy iron
^
fervent beacon
if your KB comes off CD, you could delay TB for last 9s of KB.
But I just like to TBonCD...now only if I have the meme gif on handy
๐ฆ
alpine pilot
i didnt know that TB'ing first interacted with KB
thats cool
would delaying TB for the last 9s of KB be like a huge dps increase?
fervent beacon
Only if you applied KB before TB while TB is on CD and coming off shortly
alpine pilot
OH thats wut u mean
fervent beacon
but tbh it wouldn't break or make your dps, just basically max the usage of KB/TB.
alpine pilot
thanks!
pastel jetty
Hello everyone, whatโs the min amount of Cp i should be using on env and rup?
foggy lotus
question about poison bomb .. does it have to wear off in order for the next one to proc?
merry onyx
poison bomb does what it feel when it feels
orchid cove
i dont understand how boots bracers is ever suppose to sim better than shoulders
i have crazy gear and shoulders are still above by a good margin
hazy iron
Higher crit and different talents = boots and bracers sim better
solar willow
Was doing 21+ upper the other day and reminded myself why i dont play assas in m+. Small mana worms i squeezed 12 finishers and no pb proc
steep obsidian
i mean upper is a good dungeon for sin just depends what your other comp is
might not need extra dps on worms
solar willow
I mean 21 upper is easy. On higher keys i go sub to be effective at adds on 1st boss and have nice damage on evocation
deep beacon
I find having just got the shoulders they seem kind of fun...
steep obsidian
yeah shoulder pbs are kind of addictive
shrewd night
Shoulders are too reliant on pb to be fun for me. Rather have a high average, consistent build.
solar willow
Shoulders are the best if you are doing content as sub
deep beacon
Never simmed them cuz well my worst piece was shoulders so i am sure it would sim better then my boots/bracer mostly
steep obsidian
i swap out in dungeons i tend to use vanish on trash a lot and swap in boots for bosses when its not up on pul
dire spoke
shrewd night
to you too Zempai
deep beacon
Just got bck into my rogue and don't do that high level stuff ๐ so my dps is generally good enough for whatever haha
steep obsidian
i havent done anything higher then a 20 for weeks now no one really wants to play anymore in my gruop of friends
and pugging blows
viscid helm
Dead fucking game
steep obsidian
the same
solar willow
I pushed 24+ but after that threshold my team dropped me for a dh.. feelsbad
quick ice
@viscid helm could they do anything that would actually make you happy?
shrewd night
Launch classic
hazy iron
probably not
shrewd night
viscid helm
Scrap the shitshow that is BFA
civic palm
Oh yeah that's just, the best idea anyone has ever had.
civic palm
Breaks are healthy.
dire spoke
they could make Rubber Boot Throwing a thing
shrewd night
Anyone played beta enough to know if agi staffs is a thing?
civic palm
Have not looked.
viscid helm
Not a thing
shrewd night
feral limited to onehanders then 
viscid helm
Polearm
shrewd night
Shared with one other class, I guess thats better than the other options ๐
shrewd night
Thanks!
zealous dew
ah the joy of H/m legs from chest
zealous dew
yep
nimble tartan
just found an exalt orb pogger sin the chat
shrewd night
a what
zealous dew
no more orbs to kill!
stark heart
@nimble tartan #off-topic
digital stirrup
Two questions, should you only rupture at 5 cp for ST, and do you mutilate at 4 cp or just envenom? Also for dungeons, using Fan of knives and applying rupture to targets is it a ST gain by spamming FoK to spam envenom on your main target like how sub gains ST dmg with enemies to build points off?
One more too lol, if there's a big pack say 8+ mobs, is it ever a dps loss aoe wise-non priority target, to use rupture on all of them or should you only rupture a couple of them?
stark heart
assuming you are playing without DS, you use any finisher with 4+
strange python
@digital stirrup the guide is incredibly thorough and answers the questions, its at the top
digital stirrup
I was reading through it but it's mainly just raid/ST information, not much on dungeons
solid nova
An M+ guide is something thats been wanted but not had anyone write one yet as it required a fair bit of effort tbh
digital stirrup
for 2+ targets use FoK, have rupture applied to the 3 highest health targets, well that doesn't mean anything when there are 10 targets in a big pull haha
solid nova
And you'll only rupture if you'll get the benefit of the duration
solid nova
No, dont do that, you're wasting your mantle window
You weave it with Envenom
Or you're wasting SoT and Mantle buffs
solid nova
To get full value of 3 full ruptures you'll need to be doing decently high keys in the first palce
strange python
ye
digital stirrup
Would using envenom on multiple targets be a dps increase from poisons-assuming there's not a priority target affected by affixes, or just spam FoK-Envenom onto 1 target
strange python
the envenom procs the buff that makes you apply your poisons at a higer %
so when you fok next time, theres a higher percent that the poisons are successful,
do you have tier 21?
digital stirrup
no tier or mantle
strange python
yeah, id focus on that before M+
rose sapphire
Yesterdays bonusroll ๐
viscid helm
1 month and its useless
chrome plume
vestal wren
flowi with the motivational words
viscid helm
Truth hurts
strange python
Just like your perma bans
shrewd pine
oof
zealous dew
well where's freedom of speech ?
vivid bone
It's an illusion
zealous dew
what am I hiding ?
chrome plume
something's not quite right...
shrewd pine
Freedom of speech protects you from goverment punishing you for shit u say. Private entity can do whatever on their platform
brisk forge
Like goverments ๐ค
zealous dew
๐
dire spoke
stop summoning Perelman
tepid ridge
hi guys
got this sim with raidbot, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sjoZkTuSU68B4E3gwUmScK
is this normal that head could be ahead of braccers?
or the exec phase is kinda fucked up on sim?
dire spoke
It is possible
exotic glen
nothing wrong with that
stark heart
Why people are so surprised by legendaries being good
stark heart
Right
shrewd pine
also its only 3 minute sim
warm parcel
965 bis stat wrists vs low ilvl tier hat and off gloves
slim estuary
Does feint reduce damage from aggs flame rend? ๐ค
shrewd pine
on 5 minute bracers might take over
exotic glen
yes papag
shrewd pine
Is flame rend AOE? ...
stark heart
Yes it does
warm parcel
Fight lenght has nothing to do with wrists 
shrewd pine
Last time I simmed, the shorter the fight went, the worse bracers were for me
stark heart
Not sure if argonic is trolling or stupid
slim estuary
yous are lying. flame rend must be single target
exotic glen
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warm parcel
Trolling obvs
exotic glen
thx weak
shrewd pine
I'll pop the sims here once I get home, but in that case why did head piece simmed better on 2 minute than on 5 minute?
warm parcel
Could be plenty reasons. Like extra vanish and kb uses
Havent really bothered to study the hat
exotic glen
while you studied the hat, i studied the blade
stark heart
If I member names of abilities correctly - foe breaker is tonks, flame rend is split
shrewd pine
aight, thanks for the info, good to know
tepid ridge
2nd vanish timing etc... if it's exec phase is obviously better ^^
exotic glen
what lorentz said
tepid ridge
got kinda always head ahead ^^
viscid helm
Head ahead
shrewd pine
makes sense, thank EGii
tepid ridge
must be about the stats aswell, head is way more stats than bracers / and better one in this case
grand dagger
Are the azerite pieces locked to spec
Or can you just swap in from sin to sub and have it be useful
Oh so like old school talents
Gotcha, was thinking it sounds too multi spec friendly to be the case
dire spoke
make ๐๐ป bigger ๐๐ป bags
royal lantern
we get 32slot bags...!
deep beacon
I guess I should try to learn how to M+ as sub... just been doing assassin so far lol
exotic glen
I play assa as well ๐คท
deep beacon
I just want some variety and such
Still need to get the legs though just got a mantle drop today
I think mantle is also decent for sub though honestly haven't checked guides on that since the beginning of the expansion
wise frigate
Mantle is one of the best for all 3 specs.
deep beacon
The main reason I play assassin is for pvp situations though i mean i know sub is good but it's also meant to be supported.... where with assassin I can humiliate some of the mongo classes without some nice outplaying.... it's tough sometimes but from what I gather tougher on sub since you rely more on uptime.
deep beacon
Just want to be versatile. Any specific tips in M+ for sub.. i know I am supposed to time DFA with something
deep beacon
Ah sorry
A forum nazi ๐
I kinda forgot that lol since I only really hang out in this channel. Apologies!
shrewd night
Did he just say I was a Nazi?
exotic glen
N a z i
shrewd night
@gaunt moat reeeeeeeeee
shrewd night
What do you even mean
wise frigate
One does not simply ping into Mordor.
exotic glen
If you are a nazi, notter will ban you ofc
shrewd night
I thought tom was the nazi and he already banned
manic vigil
steep obsidian
๐
strange python
who's tom
I've seen that name referenced quite a lot but
I've never seen him talk?
oh
what happened?
echo estuary
Tom was a jolly fellow, its a true shame that he is gone
exotic glen
Now pls
spare cloud
i agree with pezza
keen inlet
strange python
Yeah.
manic vigil
That picture 
tepid ridge
any tips to take Varimatras mythic bump as assa rogue? any macro for step or something? (put a friend in focus?)
fiery nest
? Just step to boss
tepid ridge
step to boss could trigger alone in darkness sometimes so... dunno
tepid ridge
had twice dafuq xD
wise frigate
I just pick a healer I trust and do a /target name, /cast Shadowstep, /targetlasttarget. I have had it happen once or twice on heroic that I would get Alone in the Dankness so I didn't risk it after that.
fleet whale
I'm going to miss this tier for assassination....
lean hill
You can also use a focus macro with step
For some reason the warrior and I who do it always end up using a priest
Try not to use a shadow priest though since they might get marked and start talking gibberish
cold rampart
if i have 4 CB should i mutilate or what ?
cold rampart
then what should i do @lean hill
drifting cloud
you spend the combo points
cold rampart
u mean evenom at 4 cb?
drifting cloud
rupture works aswell
nova verge
so, I only recently leveled my rogue and have been enjoying it a lot. Decided to attempt the mage towers and have been gearing for it. 2nd leggo is the ravenholdt ring. is it any good for assa?
strange python
Not the worst legendary, there is a build that uses it but it is pretty gear-specific
hazy iron
if you;ve had alone in the darkness trigger twice, you;re not stepping quick enough
slow stag
does leeching poison work on beta?
civic palm
Yes.
Well, the effect works on Beta, it was rolled into Offensive Poisons recently.
Unless it's broken, which it didn't seem like.
civic palm
Should be part of Deadly/Wound Poison now.
slow stag
ye
nova verge
I've heard that seeping scourgewing (trinket from Vari) is one of rogue's most coveted items. is this true?
fervent beacon
Not for sin. Outlaw potentially yes if your cof is low in ilvl.
royal lantern
you want a shadowsinged fang, except you get a high tf on older trinkets
nova verge
hmmm
civic palm
Yeah like
nova verge
well, I think its still better than the gorsh's legacy that I have, even if scourgewing is 5 ilvl lower
civic palm
No reason to guess, run it through Raidbots and see what comes up ahead.
I do think that you are right though.
oblique smelt
civic palm
- Get ready to lose them.
- Get ready to be freed from them.
fleet whale
I both love and hate the shoulders. I hated the fact that I just got them last July, but I love the damage they can bring...
I had to suffer getting garbage leggos at the start of Legion ๐ฆ
outer pasture
took me less than an hour, thats pretty quick right?
fleet whale
it's been awhile since I got that appearance but I think i spent around 30 mins in the sewers to get them?
outer pasture
some comments on wowhead said 20 hours so i was pretty surprised
outer pasture
ahh makes sense
civic palm
1-3 hours seems about the right amount of time if you are getting a good amount of rares.
carmine valve
Hello im trying out Sin, and using Aethys Rotation addon for sin as a guideline. The addon seem to be using vanish very conservative. There are time I got vanish ready but it wont recommend using it, untill Vandetta are up, I think it delays up to 20 sec or so, it feels alot. Another question regarding the addon, does it properly take in pooling in consderation to the rotation aswell? One thing is to check what to do next, the other thing is to know when to do it, and not just end up pressing it prematurely
civic palm
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
carmine valve
My question was more related to the addon, I will wait
civic palm
Well you use vanish with Mantle very conservatively (as stated in the guide) due to how much damage you can get from a Vanish Mantle window.
and;
IIRC, the addon uses the SIMC example output as a guide so there's no pooling.
carmine valve
Ahh ok thank you
civic palm
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cosmic mountain
Assassination question! Why use Nightstalker over Subterfuge if stealth speed isn't an issue? Subterfuge's big Garrote buff seems to heavily outweight the 50% bonus on anything with Nightstalker.
marble hemlock
emphasis being on "seems", because it turns out that its fairly close in value
subterfuge is usually ahead when you dont run mantle
wheres if you do, nightstalker usually takes the cake because you can get a 100% crit NS envenom out of it every time, which crits for like 9mil depending on gear
cosmic mountain
Would you open with Mutilate for that 50% bonus?
civic palm
What?
marble hemlock
why?
you use the ability that does the most damage per execute
since only that one will receive the 50% damage bonus
KB being an exception becasue it recalculates its damage whenever a lethal poison is applied, which for some reason cancels out the NS bonus
cosmic mountain
Can't open with anything bigger unless it's after a vanish with max points.
civic palm
The DMG calc. is updated, therefore losing the buff from the original application.
marble hemlock
literally every single ability deals more damage per execute than mutilate
cosmic mountain
Kingsbane and Hemorrhage are weaker
drifting cloud
its the same guy asking in basic before why doesnt sub with subterfuge stack haste so yeah
its because its all been mathed out before you
civic palm
We spent 2 years sitting on our hands.
cosmic mountain
Kingsbane would do more damage if the DoT is affected by the 50%. Is this so?
marble hemlock
like, this is a picture of one of my recent sims, showing pure damage per execute, which is all that matters when looking at what is worth Nightstalkering
civic palm
It doesn't, as the DoT comes after the damage from the KB.
marble hemlock
kingsbane doesnt work, for the reasons mentioned earlier
so the next best spell that you want to night-stalker snapshot with is rupture
keep in mind that this is without shoulders, with shoulders that looks a bit different
cosmic mountain
Thanks for the graph. Good to know that Garrote does more with the 50%.
marble hemlock
more than what?
civic palm
Without Mantle.
cosmic mountain
In my thinking, Rupture wasn't possible since I was considering opening, rather than mid-combat Vanish.
marble hemlock
are we looking at the same graph?
vocal talon
Simple question here which I don't think is explicitly covered in the guide. Should I avoid using envenom if the buff is already up, mantle buff isn't up, and I won't energy cap? Also is there a pandemic window for the envenom buff?
marble hemlock
i mean yes, on the opener you use garrote
it also gets the 50% bonus, which obviously isnt as big as the 125% from subterfuge, but mid-combat you either nightstalker envenom or rutpure, depending on legendary choice
and keep in mind that the actual length of the graph isnt indicative of their relativ value, mutilate/fok are at like 750-800k while envenom is at 2.2mil
ideally you just sim yourself and have a look at the damage per execute values yourself
you may want to just not talent garrote nor subterfuge to see the actual numbers
and then compare them
onyx falcon
im looking through wowhead.... is it just me, or has there been 0 "rogue BFA class feedbacks" i think ive seens minimum 1 from every spec already =/
supple hearth
haven't gotten to us yet
marble hemlock
theyll make a joke about how they couldnt find us to talk to us about our feedback because we were in stealth, and just let everything go live the way it is right now
primal tangle
Kappa
marble hemlock
the sad part is that that could actually be happening though
blizz loves to make these kind of jokes ๐ฆ
primal tangle
We're going to be crap for a full raid tier
marble hemlock
well
even when we actually were supershit back at the start of cata
we still had our uses on a couple of bosses
so i wouldnt be too worried
lost horizon
Didn't sub get a feedback post on wowhead that took SoD off GCD?
onyx falcon
you are correct i was jst looking at that before i looked back here
marble hemlock
sub did get one of those, yes, but it certainly wasnt as indepth as the others have been
onyx falcon
i googled Rogue BFA feedback
guess i missed it
http://www.wowhead.com/news=284202/subtlety-rogue-snare-battle-for-azeroth-beta-feedback-for-may-7th
still no sin/chadlaws =/
marble hemlock
i mean yeah
it basically was
"sod on gcd was bad, we changed it, and your slow isnt completely wonky now"
lost horizon
Yeah
I'm def not saying it was a gamechanger
But I think it was one of the first ones they did, super early
marble hemlock
well, they basically wrote 2 lines about sod being off the gcd
and then took one of the least important issues sub had during that time
and made it the rest of their "sub feedback"
lost horizon
Would be nice to see another pass once they get sec tec working and tested
marble hemlock
combat is doing fine right now, i think its in a good place and has received quite a bit of attention
lost horizon
But it's really just appeasement
marble hemlock
but im growing more weary every week we get closer to release, because looking at the classes and certain specs right now at beta, i feel there is A LOT of work to be done and we barely have a little more than 2months left for that
and i dont want to be a guinea pig.... again
supple hearth
I'm too far addicted to wow. I'll always find stuff I enjoy. As long as they get the tuning done in a timely manner im fine. I don't like meta changes every week constantly for a month+
fleet whale
tbf I don't think assassination is in that bad of a spot on beta right now
yeah, but that's typical
rogues don't usually feel that good or fast at the start of an expansion
civic palm
hahaha
fleet whale
Biggest thing I wish blizz would do would buff venomous wounds to 10 energy a tick