assassination

[thick surge]

notters does a pretty good job

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thick surge]

well, anything to take the unit frames ish down to the middle

[onyx sigil]

You can move unit frames around. Most people don't use WA for that.

Raven is a good addon for buffs/debuffs.

[thick surge]

and better bars over enemies?

[civic palm]

Nameplates are an entirely different thing.

Usually people just use what they find more attractive.

[onyx sigil]

I use Plater for those. TidyPlates is another popular option.

[dire spoke]

@supple hearth how's beta pvp

[fiery nest]

kui nameplates

[civic palm]

👏 THE 👏 BEST 👏

[dire spoke]

oh I posted in the wrong channel actually lol - sorry

[civic palm]

#pvp please

Jeez

[dire spoke]

shadowed 👏🏻 unit 👏🏻 frames

[bright vortex]

In regards the SquishyFishys luck, I got mantle/wrists as random legos from my shaman main. Thought hell may as well gear it now, nek minute probably my BFA main 😂

[supple hearth]

@dire spoke beta servers were down until earlier today then when I logged in I had to mess with keybinds and then I got bored and logged off.

[acoustic flame]

what exactly will happen to artifacts in pre patch, and how will we get new weapons?

or is that still not clear

[exotic glen]

@acoustic flame http://www.wowhead.com/news=280249/patch-7-3-5-artifact-weapon-instability-spoilers

[acoustic flame]

I just got vigor talent ring

what other talent should I use with it?

[quick ice]

Deeper strat

[acoustic flame]

👍 Thanks

seems like i won't use it anyway tbh, sims way lower than my insignia and kjbw

[steep obsidian]

yeah its good for sub pretty crap for sin

[blissful thorn]

As said above. The cd usage of Vanish with the cloak leggendary. Am I correct, when I say, that I delay Vanish until my next Vendetta is off cooldown?

How is the rotation in that situation?

Build up 4-5 Cps -Vendetta - Vanish - Envenom - Mutilate - Envenom - Mutilate?

[fiery nest]

its in the guide. vendetta vanish interaction relies mainly on the shoulder leggo so the fact that you have cloak doesnt mean much

[blissful thorn]

Damn, I ment the shoulder xd Sorry^^ I did read the guide, but couldn't find that part.

Feels like, it was just mentioned in the opener

[fiery nest]

your vendetta vanish rotation should match opener

you don't want to refresh bleeds during, and you want to have tb and kb up for your envenom spam

[desert hazel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/33795109/17#difficulty=5&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&metric=dps&boss=2069

Its been a while for me since ive downed any mythic bosses , but could you lads help me find out what and where i need to do to improve ?

[sharp viper]

don't delay toxic blade, don't cast it on the adds, if you need to swap go with mutilate+envenom and use tb on boss, don't cast mutilate at 4 cp, refresh rupture before toxic blade if possible or right afterwards to maximize the debuff window

[viscid helm]

[desert hazel]

this is a more kinda recent fight , any tips for aggra ?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FbJnagx3XATfCHv7#fight=9

[sharp viper]

get the weakaura for techniques so you can time your stuff right, you can cloak tempest + flame rend right afterwards if timed correctly

[desert hazel]

shit really ? i had no idea i could cloak both

i take it i cloak literally just before the tempest hits provided the rend is the next one

[sharp viper]

exactly

but that isnto always the case so be aware

[desert hazel]

awesome thanks , didnt know that was possible , any tips as for rotattion and that lot ? is what im currently doing right or am i making loads if mistakes , i feel like im somewhere in the middle but i need to improve still

[sharp viper]

rotation really depends on your raid dps

i like to dot up the flame add that is being focused and then swapping and going ham on the 2nd flame that is not being focused to maximize dot dmg and debuff uptime

[desert hazel]

is it worth dotting up the first and and the using vend tb and kb on the second ? or should i delay it till after the intermission ?

right

ill give it a go tonight

is there a reason you run insig ?

What is your build lol xD

[exotic glen]

A filthy EP/tb insignia player

[desert hazel]

thats a thing ?

[sharp viper]

that build is 10x more fun than shoulders/bracers

[desert hazel]

i feel so behind lol

[quick ice]

rare but yeah, its a thing for sure

[sharp viper]

if you have high enough gear/crit yeah

[desert hazel]

what makes it different ? or good ?

[sharp viper]

the reason it is fun is cause you have higher apm and don't bore to death, high crit=more energy=more finisher=more use out of ep/insignia

[desert hazel]

what 25 crit

[quick ice]

25 is pretty low for poison tbh

[desert hazel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/emerald-dream/vokjou

[sharp viper]

no 25% is low, you are at around 30%

[desert hazel]

i feel like my lass is poorly optimised

[quick ice]

like I have only 1 piece of crit jewellary and I have 24

that's low

[sharp viper]

boots bracers is more towards 40%

[quick ice]

30+ would be normal for shoulders, yeah

[steep obsidian]

trust yer sims but id go a little bit more crit over an extra few k dps in a sim tbh

low crit aint much fun to play even if it sims well

[desert hazel]

So im running shoulders bracers atm at 38 % crit , should i be aiming to loose as much as i can to get down to around 30 ?

[quick ice]

not necessarily

[unkempt osprey]

Im pretty sure im bad because the nightstalker buff doesnt come up until 3 sec after you vanish right?

[quick ice]

wrong

straight away

[unkempt osprey]

really?

then im not bad

[dusty abyss]

anyone have WA's for assassin on beta?

[quick ice]

non-beta WAs should work pretty much fine? just need to add a CT WA (if you use that) and a blindside WA (if you use that)

and remove all KB WAs

[stark heart]

And remove sot and tier WAs then

[deep hawk]

If I'm only 890 ilvl with no legendaries, which opener should i be looking at on the guild?

guide*

[exotic glen]

playing subterfuge or nightstalker?

[deep hawk]

nightstalker

[exotic glen]

havent played without shoulders in forever but this should do https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fqQPaA8NMx649nZC#fight=3&type=casts&source=6&view=timeline

@deep hawk

[deep hawk]

rt

ty

[strange python]

wat

[exotic glen]

🤷🏿

feel free to correct it

[strange python]

I guess it doesn't matter much at that ilvl anyway

[deep hawk]

yeah

im just trying to get the basics down, brand new to rogue :P

[strange python]

I would say something like Garrote - Mutilate - Rupture - Mutilate to 5cp - Vanish - Rupture - Vendetta/tb/kb etc

[deep hawk]

q u e s t i o n

when do i use Enveom

[strange python]

in that log opener you got lucky with the first mutilate crit

[exotic glen]

its pretty basic, use envenom if you dont need to cast rupture but need to spend combo points

[strange python]

also use envenom only when the previous envenom buff is about to expire

the envenom buff is a much bigger deal than the damage of envenom itself

[exotic glen]

yeah the envenom buff is important

[strange python]

well, I shouldn't say "only"

in toxic blade you want to fit in 2+ envenoms

basically, read the guide at the top xd

[deep hawk]

suggest any wa?

[exotic glen]

notters

they are in the pins

useful noob WAs

[strange python]

I use notters 😡

but modified some

[exotic glen]

toxisumi

if you know how to sure

but i cba'd learning it the first year i played

[wise frigate]

I used Notter's as a base and just edited it to get it to where I liked it.

[viscid helm]

BFA sucks

[vestal wren]

thanks flowi for voicing your opinion

[viscid helm]

np

daily duties

[supple hearth]

@viscid helm will u be playing in bfa

[echo estuary]

flowitwo is ready for bfa

[viscid helm]

don't know

weaks gonna fucking kill me if i dont

[supple hearth]

Rip you

[exotic glen]

just kill him before he kills you

easy

[mild obsidian]

I only want 5 or 7 traits in Master Assassin right? Not 6?

[supple hearth]

1 or 3 from the relics. Not 2.

[exotic glen]

thats the same thing

[mild obsidian]

So total traits I want 5 or 7 k.

Master Alchemist still good right

[exotic glen]

dude just read https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/relics/1t-t21-rogue-assassination-mantle-bracers

but yes

[mild obsidian]

Was just a quick question and the wording of that makes the rankings seem contingent on those two legendaries which I dont have

[exotic glen]

i mean, which do you have?

[mild obsidian]

Only have 2 set and dont have bracers, boots or shoulders

[strange python]

if you don't have shoulders then 6 master assassin is fine

[exotic glen]

🤷🏿

[mild obsidian]

Helm, KJBW, Cleave ring, Quest ring, Outlaw boots, FoK cloak, Healing pants

[exotic glen]

just sim it my dude

its the best answer anyone can give you

[mild obsidian]

Prydaz

For sure

[lean hill]

One of you needs to change your names lol

[mild obsidian]

RIP Legendary system, may you rest in piss

NEVER

[shrewd night]

Hello fellow kids

[exotic glen]

@shrewd night ❤

hey friendo

[shrewd night]

13% pb on dogs

WHY DIDNT WE STACK

reeeeeeee

[exotic glen]

@shrewd night https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b6By8TfgMN3mZjcp#fight=23&type=damage-done&source=21

im just posting this again because i keep thinking about it

[shrewd night]

Nice wipe brother

[exotic glen]

@shrewd night also why no stream?

[shrewd night]

Because its hot as shit

And I look like shit

So no strim

[exotic glen]

dude dw

in my eyes you look perfect

[marble hemlock]

could just strim w/o cam? 🤔

[exotic glen]

no i only watch for sexy shiennar

[marble hemlock]

unlucky

[odd hazel]

@mild obsidian leggo system is best system

[stark heart]

[dire spoke]

[compact raven]

Are Haste rogues goin gto be a thing in BfA or are we going to stick with standard set up

[exotic glen]

theres no way to know atm

but its not a dead stat at least

[compact raven]

well i beta'd and it felt quite smooth to me but your stats all take a huge squish i struggled to get any above 30%

in heroic level gear

[onyx sigil]

I hope haste ends up being a really good stat. Mut feels pretty slow on beta, and I think haste will do a lot to speed it up.

[hazy iron]

Can anyone give me advice on gnawed thumb ring - use on cooldown or wait for my magical vanish vendetta kb tb stacks?

[dire spoke]

hold it for vanish

[azure minnow]

With CDs is it 2min cd ?

[hazy iron]

Nah its 3 mins

So i can use it with vanish np

[onyx sigil]

Is holding it for Vanish really optimal? I feel like fight length would be a factor. If you take a 6m+ fight, you'll lose a use holding it for Vanish.

Either way, you can play with the APL in SimC to compare.

[exotic glen]

my feelycraft would be that its worth it holding for vanish

[crystal marten]

Do I save toxic blade for kings bane?

[exotic glen]

no

press cooldowns on cooldown

[soft island]

There is like 5 second rule but if you use everything on CD, you are not losing much dps tbh.

[hazy iron]

@onyx sigil i'd say its worth it purley due to how much more damage is occurring during those windows, but i'll screw around with it anyways.

[soft island]

Or you can just macro it on vanish button and pretend it doesnt exist. 💁

[hazy iron]

Yeah but then the issue with that is missing the damage amp on the initial kb and tb hits (or are the initial hits physical?)

Its not hard hitting an extra button on an already simple rotation lol

[fiery nest]

I macrod mine to vendetta so it buffs those

[hazy iron]

True

[fallow estuary]

glaives worth it for sin in M+? Since we can't buff em like a sub rogue can i thought sticking to higher ilvl trinkets such as fangs might be more worth

And another Sin M+ related question (only played sub n outlaw in M+ the whole addon) - Do you use the mantle crit window for envenoms or just FoK --> Rupture every target? (3 targets+)

[prime void]

no

to question #1

[solid nova]

@fallow estuary You'll rupture if they'll live long enough to benefit from it. And you'll generally be using your mantle windows for FoK and envenom, unless ST. You can weave Ruptures and Envenoms to keep up your envenom buff uptimes.

[fallow estuary]

Thanks to both of you 😃

[pastel jetty]

Hello everyone. Quick question, I’ve recently started playing sin (being a feral druid main) and I was wondering if I should be using my envenoms just as the buff is about to expire on the target or dish them out as soon as I can?

[amber ravine]

Hello, if I get it correctly, difference between helm and bracers is really minor aint it?
Fuck man I got the helm when I have a nice procced tier helm...

[vivid bone]

Keep the buff up as much as possible, try to get 4 cp or more to throw em.

Sim it Illidoge

[amber ravine]

Eh. did. Just sad that I got the helm when my tier one is so nice 😐

[vivid bone]

Meh, it's useless anyways, expansion almost over

[amber ravine]

True

[vivid bone]

Gear has no meaning

[solid nova]

I mean, it depends on how much of a difference your crown was simming above bracers?

[amber ravine]

And seems like with mantle and ravenholdt I sim a lot more with just my finished tier than with crown and extra tier

[solid nova]

There's always a margin of error as sims is based on an average of x fights

[vivid bone]

Yeah, but if it's so close, just wear w/e

[amber ravine]

Yeah guess Ill just try and get that last tier piece and just wear what I got since with my tier the helm even sims below ravenholdt

Thanks for the confirmation

[zealous dew]

maybe you have bad rings

that's why insignia sims high

do you have a report ?

[safe matrix]

Insig sims well with balanced blade traits

Also high crit iirc

[warm parcel]

Those dont even affect insignia.
Insignia crit rolls are separate

[quiet kelp]

What is mastery cap?

[shrewd night]

There ain't one

[slow stag]

How much crit should you try to get as sin?

[vivid bone]

the amount that sims the highest in combination with your other stats? :/

try https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats to see how valuable crit is for you

[amber quail]

ZOMG Luke...what fking answer? Are you playing sin as much u are able to answer the question or shut up!

[quick ice]

I mean, that's the only possible answer

[amber quail]

@slow stag about 30/35 % to work ofc more is better

[quick ice]

We don't know what the guys other gear is like

[amber quail]

But more is better for all

[quick ice]

And some of us are perfectly happy running at 24%

[viscid helm]

Who is this clown

[amber quail]

As you answer: more is better and sim it

XD

[solid nova]

There are no set values to aim for

It's as simple as that.

[viscid helm]

Are u dumb

[quick ice]

I'd have to put such awful gear on to get to 30% because I have horrific luck with crit jewellery

[solid nova]

So throwing random figures around is the opposite of helpful

[quick ice]

We're talking replacing 975 rings with 945s

Because apparently the kin ring doesn't exist?

[warm parcel]

Are we being serious or just meme arguing

I cant tell

[quick ice]

@warm parcel Don't know about aSk, but I'm meme arguing

I assume Flowi is Flowi-ing

[warm parcel]

[solid nova]

Well considering the last time he piped up with a question it was asking about Sin haste meta, I'll assume it's a 😴 memer

[warm parcel]

Ait

Imma just bail then

[amber quail]

Nope

Only find answering: more is better and sim it

Not an answer

[exotic glen]

u r idiot

[solid nova]

And throwing out defined values such as 30% is an answer?

[viscid helm]

Okay

Legit

Dumb

[quick ice]

More can be worse

[exotic glen]

full mongo

[solid nova]

Your % of stats is defined on your stat weight sim in terms of whats better

It varies for everyone

Everyone

I sim better with 25% crit than 30%, so does that mean the sim in wrong?

Wake up

[wise frigate]

But I have 32% crit and 187% mastery. What crit should I aim for?

[exotic glen]

50% birb

[wise frigate]

Thanks guys I'll try and shoot for 50 and 100 at the same time.

[amber quail]

As i said: ofc that more is better! But him asked to have an help in a way to go

[wise frigate]

I knew I could cound on you guys.

[solid nova]

Tell me more about this haste meta you're after?

Because haste is super useful for sin

[wise frigate]

"cound"

[solid nova]

Entertain me

[wise frigate]

Alright brain.

Unless we're talking about horse porn, Tis.

[amber quail]

Here you must do this

[solid nova]

Can you link me your profile so i can see the master mind behind these brilliant ideas?

[amber quail]

So more is not better?

[wise frigate]

Tauren rogue confirmed.

[vivid bone]

Wow I'm gone for like 5 minutes and this shit storm stirs up

[amber quail]

I did

[vivid bone]

Show results please

[amber quail]

I maining a rogue

[vivid bone]

Also my answer was fine, maybe not as detailed as it could be

[amber quail]

Find atras from chrushridge

And if u want sim it

I’m in Phone and don’t have relic here

If you need to see a sim do it

[viscid helm]

My brain cells are literally fucking dying reading your messages

Stop

[amber quail]

I go 33-4-206

4xset

81 trait

[brisk forge]

Hmm

[amber quail]

993 artifact

6x master assassin

[brisk forge]

So 0% vers i suppose? 🤔

[viscid helm]

Are u going to list your whole life story?

[solid nova]

Stop preaching when you dont know how to play

More isnt better

[amber quail]

1x master alchimist/toxic bale/don’t remember XD

[solid nova]

You're an example of that

Stop.

[amber quail]

8 versa

[viscid helm]

[brisk forge]

Wow beats my parses 🙁

😂

[amber quail]

Don remember il avoidance is 8 ore more

[solid nova]

Dont advise people if you dont have a clue yourself

Its as simple as that

[amber quail]

@solid nova and you think this cause i essere guildelss since 1mint ago and my pc is not able to do a myth or cause i stpped to do antoran alone?

[solid nova]

You think there's a haste meta for Sin

[brisk forge]

Isnt 3% meta? 🤔

[viscid helm]

[brisk forge]

🌠

[solid nova]

You have 14 weeks worth of kills and green parses

Your pc isnt the issue

You are

[wise frigate]

Hey I give advice with green parses.

I just suck at following my own advice.

[amber quail]

Ohh...cause i did partecipate to a discussione or Turingia to have an explaination here?

[solid nova]

No, because you don't know how to play

You're throwing figures around as fixed amounts

Which is wrong

[amber quail]

Or is there something other agroindustriale that let you think?

[solid nova]

You're giving incorrect advice in situations you do not know the better outcome on

The advice you're giving is wrong

There's nothing else to it

You can't give advice when you don't know the answer yourself

[viscid helm]

My fucking head

[amber quail]

@solid nova And you have all answer yourself? No comaring no growth

[brisk forge]

To be fair his name is ask so i Guess he got the answears 🤔

[solid nova]

I certainly know a lot more than the incorrect dribble you're spouting, yes.

[amber quail]

Sim is you best answer.
That was last discussion or one of the last

[vivid bone]

because it IS the best answer

[solid nova]

Figures are not generalised, they vary on individuals gear and stat weights

What is so difficult to understand

Instead you just go "ye 30% that'll do"

[wise frigate]

I have a hankering to fire up AskJeeves now.

[quick ice]

does AskJeeves even exist still?

[amber quail]

And this must be my last now. I find you supponent and not helpfull.
I hope you may change.

[vivid bone]

@amber quail You should just stop, before embarrassing yourself further

[brisk forge]

30% + is just feelcrafty nothing more

[amber quail]

Bye

[vivid bone]

Nice, he's gone

[solid nova]

Hopefully by your 10th KG kill you'll get out of the grey logs at 971 item level

But i guess you're following your own advice

Makes sense really

[vivid bone]

Relax @solid nova it's over now

😄

[solid nova]

Typical I dont want to sim because im too lazy response

Instead lets throw random figures out there as set values

Because thats so much better

What do you mean i have to sim my own character to find my own values out

Wheres the TLDR stat list

[vivid bone]

Hehe

[solid nova]

Nice opener btw

Please give people more advice

[fiery nest]

[wise frigate]

Wait when we said green and grey, was that in mythic only or all 3 difficulties?

[solid nova]

He has no mythic kills

Its all heroic

[fiery nest]

https://i.imgur.com/4iF2NC6.jpg rip i was looking at stuff i guess im a sub main

[wise frigate]

Oh okay that makes me feel better about myself. I at least have purps and oranges in normal and heroic. But blues and greens in mythic :c

[solid nova]

This is great when this is your best Vari log

What a stunner

[fiery nest]

LOL

WTF

[wise frigate]

He's practicing for BfA.

[vivid bone]

I kinda want him back to explain that

[solid nova]

Can have as many stats as you like

But you cant fix stupid

[vivid bone]

True that

also giving his name and realm, and then expecting people to just watch armory and be like ''omiegosh, such high ilvl, he must be good''

I giggled

[fiery nest]

TFW you press vendetta and dont press another button for 9 seconds

[wise frigate]

Inb4 he looked through logs to find a terrible rogue and just trolled the everliving shit out of us.

[solid nova]

When you're at 10 kills of a boss at 970+ with a best parse being grey. You have no right to advise anyone, on anything.

[vivid bone]

agree

[fiery nest]

KB before TB = dont look at anythign else, gg

ur bad

wait

thats AN OPENER

LOL

WTF

open with vend and kb

holy fuck

[solid nova]

The upsetting thing is

[fiery nest]

im dead

[solid nova]

In all of these openers

He has mantle

[fiery nest]

even without mantle its garbage

yea

[solid nova]

Can you explain the value of mantle in this one?

[fiery nest]

it doesnt matter

LOL

wtf are you doing for 9 seconds after pressing your biggest dmg cd?

[quartz depot]

guys can you stop, you're making my brain hurt

[solid nova]

My brain already hurts

[fiery nest]

holy shit

[solid nova]

Hurt with me

[stark heart]

I am so concerned about that log pic

[solid nova]

Pic any of the logs

[stark heart]

more than I should probably

[solid nova]

You'll be concerned on all of them

Every opener is different

[fiery nest]

he tabbed out to play a fortnite video

[solid nova]

He only posts to complain about people saying "sim"

So clearly doesnt know how to, or made the effort to want to

[fiery nest]

what if neither and he's just dumb 🤔

[wise frigate]

I'm still leaning on the "trolled literally everyone with the worst logs he could find"

For the sake of surely there can't be someone THAT bad at the game?

[fiery nest]

too wholesome

[solid nova]

Be that bad by all means

But dont pretend you're in a position to give advice lmfao

[fiery nest]

also true

[wise frigate]

Like I thought I was pretty damn mediocre at best. And he makes me look like a fucking wizard.

[fiery nest]

nothing wrong with having logs like that if you're coming here for advice

but to give advice and think you're in the right? yikes

omfg

i cant look at tahat

pls delete

[solid nova]

I genuine think

I can log a kill and just type the alphabet over and over

and do better

Ill keybind random abilities to letters of the alphabet

And can produce better

[stark heart]

@gusty kestrel maybe they think tricks give damage buff

[solid nova]

It better give a big damage buff to compensate

[stark heart]

no

no utility for damage please

go play chaos strike simulator dh if you want that

[solid nova]

/w Tisumi CASTING TRICKS ON YOU NOW

[stark heart]

xd

I am not in the same guild with Tisumi tho

although I think I could

nah I applied before legion but withdrew because other guild was faster to answer

yeah Izani added me on bnet and asked why I withdrew hehe

think I typed nick right

I hope so

[fiery nest]

what rank u kill m argus?

[stark heart]

lol

no I didn't

[fiery nest]

60ish is poggers

nice

[stark heart]

you have rogue and mage overload?

rolling from rogue to warrior

I'd go dk if not rogue and melee

I feel like its utility is way better

oh

well yeah

[fiery nest]

our 99% dk rolled to warrior

[stark heart]

then whatever I guess

ww/warrior

dh

all seems like useful in some situations I guess

[fiery nest]

3am i slep

[trim monolith]

How we looking for bfa

[quick ice]

slow

[solid nova]

35apm poggers

[quick ice]

we're already like 35apm

its gonna be lower

[solid nova]

We're 37 atm, iirc Weak said current apm is 35

[trim monolith]

APM? What is this

[viscid helm]

Bad

[solid nova]

Actions per minute

[prime void]

Whose down to shotgun some four lokos with me

[quick ice]

35? that's a lot higher than I expected with lowered crit and no T21-4set

[trim monolith]

Is the damage gonna be there at least? I'm so stuck rn between my dk or old faithful rogue

[solid nova]

Not sure when it was last updated, but thats the last I heard on it

[viscid helm]

Everyone is rerolling mage

[prime void]

^ everyone.

[trim monolith]

Well more leather for me I guess if I go rogue 😂

Inb4 Mage only raids

[viscid helm]

Imagine playing this dead class in BFA

[steep obsidian]

dungeons look shit for melee anyway in bfa

maybe raids will be good

literally spend most of the time chasing boss or running away from some aoe in the dungeons i have done

[fiery nest]

Playing leather and thinking you get gear 😂

[trim monolith]

Why you think I re rolled dk?

[vivid bone]

I'll just get my gear from pvp

[trim monolith]

Hmm

[vivid bone]

that was sarcasm btw

[trim monolith]

So distraught

Why u do this blizz

[stark heart]

Flowi says everyone is rerolling mage but will play rogue in BfA

[viscid helm]

Who said i was gonna play

[stark heart]

of course you will

[vivid bone]

nobody, shut up Flowi

[viscid helm]

BFA is literally the biggest pile of garbage

Ever made

[fiery nest]

When you complain about being melee on coven, agg, and argus, ranged makes fun of you, then you bring your 960 ranged alt and literally turret the last 3 bosses

[quick ice]

the pacific ocean garbage island of video games?

[vivid bone]

Damnit who let Flowi out of his cage

He picked the lock, that must be it

[quick ice]

I mean he is still technically a rogue

[stark heart]

Flowi picked nothing

[fiery nest]

The ranged mechanic for agg is "be away from others and stand still" oof

[stark heart]

it's just banterz I am sure

[quick ice]

hey that's clearly a very hard mechanic

it took my raid like 100 wipes to figure out

[fiery nest]

Really hard

[stark heart]

you stack - spread for different things

as melee you just tunnel

[fiery nest]

You don't tho

You stack for the same thing melee does

[stark heart]

if you don't handle adds and as rogue you don't you just sit on boss and that is it

[quick ice]

melee aggramar is a boring fight agreed

[fiery nest]

If you're handling adds as a rogue you should gquit

[stark heart]

our ranged stack to spawn some circles away from adds

and then spread

etc

so it's at least something compared to melee imo

I really dislike aggy because only like 4-5 people really play the encounter

[fiery nest]

True

[quick ice]

idk, gearing up 2 blood DKs because we had no DK mains was super fun and interactive 😐

[fiery nest]

Lol

[stark heart]

we have 1 blood

and 1 dps dk

[viscid helm]

Speaking of strats, our argus strat was prydaz/valeeras rogues soaking red orbs

[steep obsidian]

sounds fun

[warm parcel]

Apm is 30 with no mfd

And mfd brings it up to 34

[stark heart]

what if mfd + blindside

tbh 43-48 is ideal apm for rogue imo

[warm parcel]

OL apm now

[stark heart]

if outlaw is supposed to be faster then it can go into 50-55 territory

[warm parcel]

55 is near gcd lock...

[stark heart]

devalues energy imo but well

well AR is supposed to be near gcd locked?

[warm parcel]

Ar is also 15s out of 3 mins

[stark heart]

think it's okay if you are gcd locked in AR and then have 43-48 apm like other specs

[warm parcel]

Or is it 20s

[stark heart]

well

it's not 3 mins effectively

[warm parcel]

During ar I can accept gcd lock

Outside Id prefer 30

[stark heart]

30

[warm parcel]

It balances out to like 40-45

[stark heart]

40-45 outside and gcd locked inside

[warm parcel]

Hmm. Maybe 35 outside

[stark heart]

should be around 50

or something

I'd be fine with that imo

[warm parcel]

Eeh

[viscid helm]

I can play PoE on 2nd monitor with 30apm rogue

[warm parcel]

I guess

Poe 👉 🚪

[stark heart]

I'd be able to watch TI and lose nothing with 30 apm

sucks that TI starts with BfA launch

[warm parcel]

More 🦉 to come

[slow stag]

Thanks for answers earlier guys, i wont ask again since you guys almost killed each other

[vivid bone]

not because of you

[warm parcel]

Werent you the one who started this

[vivid bone]

silly wEak.

[warm parcel]

Im just kidding

I did read the whole baccklog tho

[vivid bone]

you lost some brain cells

by doing that

[warm parcel]

Thats internet in a nutshell for you

[vivid bone]

I had a shitload to begin with then

[warm parcel]

Youll be fine

[vivid bone]

true

[stark heart]

if you hang out in RH spec channels you know you'd lose brain cells and you are fine with that

[viscid helm]

Very toxic

[solid nova]

So the longer you're here, the lower your IQ?

Toxic Lorentz

[stark heart]

how is that toxic?

[viscid helm]

You are saying this discord and the people in it are dumb

[exotic glen]

Lorentz green name when

Ban xaethron

Free tom

[stark heart]

I didn't say that Flowi

@exotic glen ask despot not me

[exotic glen]

im just memeing

[stark heart]

Tox

[cold rampart]

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[zealous dew]

soup with the drama in this ded cennel, spec, gheim, brand

[limpid spade]

Wat is the best legendaries in ASSA for Donjon Mythic+ ?

[vivid bone]

*dungeon

I prefer using shoulders with something else. Either helm or bracers

[exotic glen]

what the fuck

i answered you already

shoulders bracers

[vivid bone]

Yeah, but to not spark a discussion

[limpid spade]

I have Shoulder and after i don't know what use between : Back , Ravenhold or Duskwalker's ?

[vivid bone]

we moved it here

[limpid spade]

i don't have the Bracers

[vivid bone]

ravenhold can be good too I guess

Depends on your off pieces then I guess

You could just sim it, and try it out what feels best

There's no 100% concrete answers to this mate

[limpid spade]

And Back ? for Fan of Knives ?

[vivid bone]

Meh, not a fan

[exotic glen]

id say boots then

[limpid spade]

Ok thank''s

[vivid bone]

Np"s

[dire spoke]

[lofty mantle]

I need help lol

I’m trying to perfect assassination

But I’m getting out dpsd by 910 920 and I’m 943

[exotic glen]

🤔

read the guide i suppose

[lofty mantle]

I did 😦

[solid nova]

Logs?

[lofty mantle]

I do exactly what the guide says

[exotic glen]

yeah logs

[lofty mantle]

I haven’t logged anything lately idk how

I’m new to wow

[solid nova]

Someone else might have

[fervent beacon]

What legendary do you have then?

[lofty mantle]

They said the logs got botched from last night

[fervent beacon]

That will be a factor

[exotic glen]

its near impossible for us to help you in any meaningful way then imo

[lofty mantle]

I have cloak and shoulders on rn but I have bracers for when I can replace cloak

[solid nova]

Whats your characters name and realm?

[lofty mantle]

SquishyFishy Illidan

[exotic glen]

this you? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/15166169/17#metric=dps

[solid nova]

So logged you have 1 normal clear

[dire spoke]

why are you wearing cloak if you have bracers?

[lofty mantle]

Yeah that’s me

And I’m wearing cloak because I don’t have a cloak to replace it with

[exotic glen]

do you not have any cloak at all

[lofty mantle]

And my non LEGO bracers are my highest ilvl piece

[exotic glen]

or is your replacement bad

[rough lodge]

Just do some dailies and get a 910 piece from the vendor to replace your cloak

and use the bracers

[exotic glen]

i guess you replaced these, becuase they are 910

[solid nova]

You're not doing as the guide reads

This is an opener of i dont know what

[exotic glen]

lmfao

what the fuck

[solid nova]

Your first 2 abilities are correct in that opener

The rest

Not so much

[lofty mantle]

Replacement would be terrible it would be going from 960 bracers to 1000 bracers and 1000 cloak to 910 cloak

Ok I’ll reread it

[solid nova]

You're not vanishing in the opener

You dont vanish with vendetta

You're not pushing envenoms in your tb and kb windows

[exotic glen]

read the shoulders opener in the roation n opener section

[solid nova]

You're tripple mutilating, over capping CPs massively

If you have read the guide, you've not understood it

Please read it and then form questions around what isnt quite clear

[exotic glen]

spamming rupture too

[lofty mantle]

Ok

[solid nova]

Example, Aggramar: This is in your mantle window. Thats 16 CPs before you used a finisher

Even more with the KB before the mutilates

[dire spoke]

Your cooldown phases are not good aswell https://snag.gy/2lzKsh.jpg

[exotic glen]

this one is the funniest imo

[solid nova]

Just recover on the guide mate and adapt from there

I think you skipped a paragraph or two

[exotic glen]

1 garrote, 2 muts AND a toxic blade

[dire spoke]

maybe he has 10% crit

[lofty mantle]

Idk what my crit is but I think it’s low I have 170% mastery though

[exotic glen]

shoulders tho?

[solid nova]

Doesnt matter when you're using mantle

I linked your opener

When your mantle would be procced

[dire spoke]

oh it's the opener

[solid nova]

You're not tracking your rupture the amount you use it

Its not even pandemic refresh

Its just spam

[lofty mantle]

Ok

[exotic glen]

gotta have that 100% uptime

[lofty mantle]

100% is such a struggle when there’s down times in fights

I’m at like 80 I think

[exotic glen]

did you read the guide again?

[lofty mantle]

79% in final fight last night

[rough lodge]

Consider getting WeakAuras, ElvUI, or just anything that will help you track all your bleeds/buffs while learning as well

[lofty mantle]

I have weakauras

[dire spoke]

no it's not a struggle if you understand pandemic

[solid nova]

These values shouldnt even be close

[lofty mantle]

Literally stolen from the guide

[rough lodge]

oof

[solid nova]

You shouldnt nearly be going 50-50 on rupture/envenom

[exotic glen]

squishyfish

i know you have the program weakauras

but have you made or imported any auras?

[lofty mantle]

I stole the ones from the guide

There’s 2 I took both

[solid nova]

In all honesty, you need to get back onto the guide first and get some refined logs after understanding what's being written

We're not even at basics looking at these logs mate

Its all wrong

All of it

[exotic glen]

pretty much

[lofty mantle]

Ok

[dire spoke]

@lofty mantle you understand that vanish is a dps cooldown for us or?

[solid nova]

Sorry mate but its better to get some refinement to it when you also have an understanding

[lofty mantle]

Yeah with shoulders

[solid nova]

Because if we explain whats wrong, but you dont understand it yourself

It doesnt really help you

[exotic glen]

just let him read the guide then get back to us 🤷🏿

[lofty mantle]

Yeah I’ll do that

[exotic glen]

good luck dude

[solid nova]

Give us a poke when you got some questions down mate

Goodluck fam

[dire spoke]

next question

[exotic glen]

how much %crit do i need

[solid nova]

🔫

[exotic glen]

lmfao

[rough lodge]

Anybody playing beta? Just realized I had access and was wondering how the new talents are performing

[exotic glen]

latest sub talent literally doesnt work

so theres that

[solid nova]

Download it and give them a spin mate

Make sure to report all BFA Beta testing to Flowi

In a detailed report

[rough lodge]

I played around for a few minutes, just haven't gotten time to actually sit down and test it

[exotic glen]

he will only respond with max four words

[solid nova]

I love your work

[rough lodge]

I did notice I can't get Leeching Poison to work tho

[solid nova]

Is what he'll say

[rough lodge]

lmao

[waxen socket]

With mantle of the master assassin do u wanna open up with mutilate from out of stealth or does the garrote get snapshotted from the crity buff?

[dire spoke]

[zealous dew]

wut

[exotic glen]

garote gets snapshot by nightstalker

only snapshot mechanic for rogues is nightstalker

crit buff is dynamic

[waxen socket]

Alright so garrote is the way to go

[exotic glen]

yes

[solid nova]

@waxen socket It's in the pins but you want to open like this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/436154186686791692/unknown.png

[exotic glen]

what richard said

[waxen socket]

cheers

[solid nova]

I gotchu fam

[waxen socket]

[lavish marten]

hmm my vendetta is down to 1.2min cd, should I still save it everytime for the adds on Kingaroth mythic?

[solid nova]

Take boots and vendetta the boss and adds 🤷

[lavish marten]

use boots instead of bracers I suppose?

[exotic glen]

yes

[solid nova]

Yeah mate

[lavish marten]

good idea, th

x

[dire spoke]

I F you have 7/7 MAss you can use vendetta on the first add, then boss>add>boss>add

[exotic glen]

eh you can do it with 5 as well

i do

[dire spoke]

wat

[lavish marten]

im on 6

[exotic glen]

i only have 5 MA and i do add > boss > add etc

[dire spoke]

is it ready on add spawn or later?

[exotic glen]

exactly on add spawn for me

vanish is a bigger problem for me

[lavish marten]

wait for the record, you guys use boots with 5/5 and you have it up right

[exotic glen]

thats what im saying

yes

[dire spoke]

I didn't know about that sorry

thought it's 7/7 exclusive

but it's true, after the boss I have it jumping at me before the add spawns

[lavish marten]

ah cool

thx for the advice

[solid nova]

You're welcome fam

[dire spoke]

How can vanish be a problem 🤷🏻 it's ready at the exact same point you used it on the prev add

[haughty lily]

in keystones, what is the aoe rotation? i know that its basically use fan instead of mutilate, apply poison touch on all adds. im just having trouble on seeing how many adds i have poison touch on and im always unsure of using envenom because im afraid i missed an add

im 963 ilvl and my aoe is just really really bad rn and i dont know how to improve it

[exotic glen]

you dont melee every add

fan of knives will apply poison to all enemies for you

[haughty lily]

yeah i meant rupture every add*

oops

i still have to apply that to all adds correct?

[exotic glen]

🤔

rule of thumb is 3-4 usually but it depends

do you have 4set t21

[haughty lily]

like 6 tho? or like eonar?

i have 4 set

[exotic glen]

as long as you dont need energy, press envenom instead of rupture

dont overcap and dont be starved

it takes some time to get used to

but as i said a rule of thumb is 3-4 targets will make you have more than enough energy

do you use shoulders?

[solid nova]

You should rupture if they'll benefit from its duration

[haughty lily]

i just got shoulders

[solid nova]

And weave your ruptures with envenom to maintain buff uptimes

[haughty lily]

oooo okay

so in fights like eonar should i even bother putting rupture on adds?

(mythic)

[exotic glen]

yes

[haughty lily]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XTDPzhM3VQYbAGjm#fight=6

(slippsy)

dps is low and im on the road to getting benched 😦

[exotic glen]

you wont find a pack that will sustain you

[haughty lily]

every other boss so far ive been fine

[solid nova]

Well looking at your dogs log

Your opener is all over the place

You wasted your mantle window compeltely

[exotic glen]

you use vendetta as your 2nd gcd on both bosses

[haughty lily]

LOL eonar is my issue rn

dogs i did fine

[solid nova]

No, you didnt mate

Your opener was wrong

And wasted mantle buff compeltely

[haughty lily]

how 😮

[exotic glen]

you parsed 10%

no way you did fine

[haughty lily]

oh

😦

[solid nova]

and you're not vanishing with vendetta

[haughty lily]

figured cause it was progressing

[solid nova]

And you missed an entire vanish cast

[haughty lily]

progression*

everyone parsed low

[solid nova]

And you stood still and litertally did nothing for a minutre?

What happened there?

[haughty lily]

i died

[exotic glen]

you're 963

parsed 24% in ilvl bracket

[solid nova]

Mate you havent looked into your Vendetta/Vanish window

You're using it so obscurely

[haughty lily]

i try to combo those together sometimes but sometimes there cd's are so diffferent

should i only use vendetta when i have vanish up?

[exotic glen]

other way around

hold vanish for vendetta

[haughty lily]

ooooo okay

[solid nova]

Always hold vanish for vendetta

[haughty lily]

and what is my opener supposed to be?

[exotic glen]

but in your opener, you barely used them together

go read the guide my man

[solid nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/436154186686791692/unknown.png

This is how you should be opening.

Not like this

[haughty lily]

got it

[exotic glen]

it will explain it in the rotation and opener section

[solid nova]

I literally dont know what you're trying to do in that opener

[exotic glen]

top one is you, bottom one is correct

[solid nova]

CD manageent is all over the place

[haughty lily]

LOL i dunno tbh i kinda panic in my opener

ill have to practice that

[solid nova]

It looks like you panic throughout the fight mate

Need to work on those cd line ups

And envenoms during tb and kb

You could be pushing 2 more easily in most cases

[errant willow]

Hi Guys im new here. Why do you vanish in your rotation then envenom ?

[solid nova]

If you're new to rogue, I'd read the guide above mate

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

Or there.

[exotic glen]

richard such a helpful guy

[solid nova]

Read the guide, form questions and then fire away

We'll most likely be here

[haughty lily]

eh im reading the opener guide rn i appreciated his advice

[errant willow]

Thks 😃

[haughty lily]

and this is a really dumb question but what is a t20 set?

[solid nova]

Tier 20

[haughty lily]

like i am 4 pieced but i dunno what tier

[solid nova]

Current tier is tier 21

[haughty lily]

oh okay

[solid nova]

Tier 20 is ToS

[haughty lily]

ty btw for answering all my questions

[solid nova]

No sweat my dude

[exotic glen]

come again if you have more

[meager ice]

eye of command or shadow-singed fang for argus mythic

940 vs 945

[exotic glen]

those are some bad choices considering you

are on mythic argus

[meager ice]

ikr

[exotic glen]

but i'd have to go with EoC without much contest

[meager ice]

guild wont rekill dogs and eoc is a cunt

[exotic glen]

no way fang would win out there

[meager ice]

okay cool

ty

[strange python]

Hello Richard

And lesser people

[exotic glen]

what, is richard under the lesser people?

[civic palm]

O _O 💦

[solid nova]

Erm

Hey 😅

[bronze kelp]

hm... i can only use bfa simc version if I compile it myself right ?

[crisp barn]

how do people feel about BFA right now? Is Assassination fun?

[bronze kelp]

its plays a bit "slow"

[solid nova]

It plays extremely slow

[bronze kelp]

but its fun nonetheless

[solid nova]

34APM with MFD, 30APM without and thats before any further adjustments, if any.

So 1 button every 2 seconds 😄

[bronze kelp]

you are way more forced to multi rupture to get enough energy

but poison bomb feels shit :/

dont like that nerfed version

[civic palm]

BfA plays at the same speed we play now.

O _O Fight me.

[solid nova]

We're 37 apm now arent we?

Where's Weak with his knowledge when i need him

Idk what time zone he dwells in

[civic palm]

Somewhere around there.

[solid nova]

Dont wanna wake the man up, aint no one like to be woken up fam

[strange python]

weak has ascended beyond our mortal standards

[civic palm]

and therefore doesn't need sleep.

HAVE AT IT

[solid nova]

Have at it 😂

[civic palm]

O _O

[exotic glen]

hes in memento right

they are finnish right

so

[solid nova]

I dont have his detailed sleep schedule sorry 😦

I'm sure its like

37apm live
34apm MFD BFA
30apm Non MFD

Close enough

Its less than live in BFA thats for certain.

[civic palm]

Close enough.

[exotic glen]

apm for live MFD??

[civic palm]

No difference.

[solid nova]

I'm gonna love you and leave you im afraid

[errant willow]

What are the best leg for assa ?

I can't see it on the assa guide

[exotic glen]

depends what you want to do

also it is there

[errant willow]

They said its up to you except shoulders and hands

so

[errant willow]

Oh didn't see it thanks ! That what i have wanted to be sure thanks ❤

[tranquil silo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xwJkNH7dDn6G83XZ#fight=9&type=summary&translate=true

[strange python]

oh my

[dire spoke]

[wise frigate]

Was about to say "they did it again" but realized it's the same log.

[nova snow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xwJkNH7dDn6G83XZ#fight=9&type=damage-done&translate=true

[wise frigate]

Listen here.

[dire spoke]

keep posting it

[grizzled pasture]

hey guys, got 3 legendaries: Cinidaria, Soul of the Shadowblade, and Insignia of the Grand Army. Which one would be the best to use for assassination?

[tawdry valley]

how important is garrote in the rotation? Ran with another rogue this week who only used it on his opener and was crushing the meters.

[wise frigate]

Garrote gives energy through Venemous Wounds. So it's a good idea to have it at as close to 100% uptime as possible.

@grizzled pasture https://www.raidbots.com/simbot. It's going to be Cini and between the two rings. I honestly don't know which. Hence the sim.

[sharp viper]

can't wait for the bfa change on garrote

[tawdry valley]

thats odd ... dotn think he was having energy issues ...

[wise frigate]

Might have had some nice PB luck to offset the energy loss. It's not a huge huge amount but it definitely helps.

[fiery nest]

a terrible player can still "crush the meters" if everyone else is undergeared or worse than he is

a terrible player in this case would be someone who only uses garrote on pull

[dire spoke]

probably alacrity

[wise frigate]

You wouldn't happen to have a log from when you were in that group do you psyx?

[acoustic flame]

what is wrong with using garrote on pull?

[strange python]

he means there was apparently a dude who used garrote on pull and then never used garrote again

[opal kettle]

What do you guys find more "fun" to play, Sin or Outlaw?

[strange python]

Sin

no bias here... 😛

Yeah haha youre asking the wrong channel here ;p

[opal kettle]

haha well was that or outlaw channel

[strange python]

you should try both and form an opinion yourself

Basic questions would be least bias. Outlaw is fun enough - but the rng aspect steered me away. That’s just my personal opinion @opal kettle

[opal kettle]

I have been playing both, They seem equally as fun imo but i wanna focus on one in BFA

[strange python]

well they are both changing

Sin has versatility in both ST and AoE- but I’m not too sure about outlaw. I know they’ll be able to do both, however their kit seems to suite aoe a bit more

[opal kettle]

Yeah that's the sense im getting, I know i wont raid beyond LFR so its mostly for M+ and pvp.

Trying to work out what will be more fun in the long run

[strange python]

if you want my opinion, sin on the beta is slow as fuck and slice in dice was nerfed so outlaw is dead to me

I'm enjoying sub on beta more than the other two combined

[acoustic flame]

in opener, do you always use one mutiliate before rupture?

even if u get only to 3 combopoints

[wise frigate]

Yes.

You just want to get Rupture rolling for the energy gain and start the DoT ticking.

Then you refresh in pandemic.

[acoustic flame]

Ok 😃

[strange python]

if you dont have the legendary shoulders you want to vanish > rupture soon after anyway

[grizzled pasture]

thanks @wise frigate!

[acoustic flame]

Yeah i was about to ask if i should do 2 mutiliates into vanish>rupture without shoulders

or as u said, do it for next one

[inland wyvern]

is the azerite trait for garrote bugged right now?

[wise frigate]

Depends on whether you use Nightstalker or Subterfuge.

Using NS, yes Vanish with a 4/5 CP Rupture. Using Subter, follow the opener in the guide.

[strange python]

yes cratas

[acoustic flame]

I use nightstalker

[strange python]

it gives like 5 cp

right

[inland wyvern]

kk thx, wasn't sure if i was just getting lucky lol

[wise frigate]

Imagine if that went live. First the Fokkening, now the Garrotepocalypse.

[inland wyvern]

lol

[sinful estuary]

anyone have a weak aura for toxic blade buff

i mean debuff

[strange python]

notter has a weakaura package in the pins

[inland wyvern]

i feel bad i haven't been able to pick pocket anyone in beta yet

[dire spoke]

@sinful estuary check out the pinned messages here or wago.io

[sinful estuary]

yall useful asf

stay classy

[dire spoke]

not sure if sarcasm or

[sinful estuary]

nah

u guys helped me a lot

before

[lunar gulch]

Who wants to earn some gold doing God Queens Fury? Im about done lol

[dire spoke]

yeah it's the hardest magetower ever

[lunar gulch]

Im not sure if the artifact is even worth it

[drifting cloud]

did you forget to equip poisons

[lunar gulch]

no

[dire spoke]

did you forget to talent leech?

[lunar gulch]

No I made sure I had that for sure

ive attempted aprrox 20 times

[strange python]

what's your ilvl

hate to say it but that's arguably the easiest mage tower

[lunar gulch]

950 lol

[strange python]

boi

[lunar gulch]

it cant be

[strange python]

it's tuned for 905

[lunar gulch]

wow