Until everyone is across
#assassination
solid nova
civic palm
Gotta make sure you don't hit the mines!!
spare cloud
Dont do it when your raid improves
civic palm
/walk
spare cloud
Daili one simple question you ask yourself
lost horizon
i'm peeping your vari rn
civic palm
C O O L D O W N S
lost horizon
14% PB...
civic palm
To be fair, there's no other reason for CDs in that fight.
civic palm
O _O
spare cloud
Do you lose effective casts? No doesnt matter yes? Dont do it
safe matrix
That's a fuckin link m8
lost horizon
line up vanish w/vendetta
if it's a short enough fight, and you won't get a third vanish
use vanish in execute w/bracers
rotund barn
@civic palm so any idea why those 2 fights are considerably lower than the rest of my logs? Most are 90-95 range
civic palm
We've been explaining that.
spare cloud
Immonar is raid reliant
lost horizon
link has pins
@rotund barn read the things i'm saying, and the pictures i linked
do better with envenom
civic palm
inb4Muted :3
lost horizon
line up vanish and vendetta (and TB even)
solid nova
Immonar:
-Your raid takes too long to cross bridges
-Evenoms in TB and KB should be better
-Line CDs up properly
TLDR
safe matrix
Oh something I wanted to ask
lost horizon
look at the vari i linked (has pins hence long link)
civic palm
Oh yeah?
lost horizon
there's definitely some rotation issues you can fix
solid nova
^
civic palm
Just here waiting on you to type out your fucking novel.
civic palm
You are probably fine.
spare cloud
Got disappointed
civic palm
O _O
safe matrix
I was gonna ask if I was doing things wrong cause my third mut after vanish never has mantle buff
civic palm
With or without cheese?
spare cloud
Without
civic palm
Yeah you can't bend time Liavre.
solid nova
Lmao
spare cloud
Doesnt matter though
safe matrix
And I'm just dumb
rotund barn
@lost horizon I agree that my CD management can be better, I just find it hard to believe it's making me parse 20 points lower on those w fights because of it
rotund barn
2*
solid nova
What the fuck is the mistweaver doing
lost horizon
no, you're parsing significantly lower on those fights cause your raid is terrible at bridge crossing
civic palm
You are losing a ton of damage due to your raid taking 1/4 of the raid to cross the bridge.
lost horizon
and probably has an assload of issues w/coven
safe matrix
Just pug imonar to parse it
solid nova
30 seconds and half your raid is bumming each other in the middle of the bridge
lost horizon
but the only reason you've done SO much better on vari for example
safe matrix
That's what I do
solid nova
Pugs do better
lost horizon
is that you got carried by 14% PB dmg
civic palm
I didn't say his average, or my average, I said average.
rotund barn
Yeah as you can see I'm first across within like 10 seconds or something
spare cloud
Yeah how do you know that
solid nova
The bridge crossing is essensially giving you like 2 minutes of pure downtime
spare cloud
Did you take the average of every player
civic palm
Aggregated logs that someone did a while ago, don't think things have changed in the past 3 months.
lost horizon
look at this vari: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K7wpjX2fmzY1n9JN#fight=11&source=20
rotund barn
Alright that's what I thought might be keeping the score down was crossing time
solid nova
And you have rotational issues to fix
safe matrix
Also listen to merlin
solid nova
Its not just bridge
lost horizon
you had 14% PB dmg... should've been an insane parse, do better with CDs
safe matrix
^
lost horizon
line up vanish w/vendetta (and TB if possible)
that's a big one
popping vanish with no other CDs rolling is painful
civic palm
or it should be painful.
safe matrix
For you
civic palm
Physically.
rotund barn
In terms of waiting for vanish to come off CD how long is too long for waiting?
I always thought 15 seconds
civic palm
Until you have Vendetta and/or will not lose a cast due to holding it.
rotund barn
Otherwise I'd get it on the next go
solid nova
Your envenom times in your TB and KB are really low as well
rotund barn
Or if boss is dying I'd wait for it
civic palm
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
spare cloud
I should quit the discord
spare cloud
Bb
lost horizon
and on that fight
safe matrix
Yeah you should toph
lost horizon
if you won't get another vanish
safe matrix
Jk dont
lost horizon
HOLD IT FOR <30% BOSS HP
lost horizon
bracers buff is minty
civic palm
minty meaning FUCKING GIGANTIC.
lost horizon
^
civic palm
Without it we'd be shit.
lost horizon
30% is like a double vendetta
rotund barn
That's true I need to be better at timing my 30% buff better
safe matrix
No
safe matrix
You just need to ne better at timing your vanishes
lost horizon
with at LEAST vendetta
like if your vanish there
had been timed better
easily from 93->95 percentile
with your PB luck on that log
rotund barn
Cool cool I will take that advice :)
But my first question was answered, I was just confused about it at first haha
Cuz I'd been staring at those logs for weeks and couldn't figure it out and thought finally it might be the raid
lost horizon
you did better on that imonar than on the vari pull i looked at
but you really have a lot of room to improve personally as well
can't just let PB carry you
solid nova
^
rotund barn
Yeah but I'm not wondering why I'm not parsing 100s , I was wondering why they were 20 points lower than others, I knew before I came in here that my rotation can use work and improvement
safe matrix
Ouch
old sphinx
idk, in m+ my pb luck is aight, always top 3 ๐
rotund barn
Highest recorded m+ has a sin rogue in it
rotund barn
+29 on time
safe matrix
That hits somewhat hard
atomic grotto
rank 1 rogue is playin sin
fiery nest
Cause the old rank 1 plays ww now
safe matrix
Yeah they do fine at the super high keys where they can multidot stuff and have it live
fiery nest
^
shrewd night
@marble hemlock you got fans talking about ya
rotund barn
I mean I don't get pm'd asking if I'm sub or sin and usually am 1st in total dps
safe matrix
Oh is that sel's key?
solid nova
Do you do M+ with sephuz secret?
atomic grotto
well with the pulls they do
solid nova
Or is my raider io bugged
rotund barn
No lol
atomic grotto
he bleeds max 3 targets
lost horizon
it's not the dmg that makes most people go with sub over sin, sin can compete for overall dmg for sure, sub just has a niche/control over it's dmg
atomic grotto
for the energy
solid nova
Why is it equipped 
lost horizon
though if shit lasts long enough it balances out
shrewd night
Oh, thought you were supposed to use crippling for m+
rotund barn
I only use sephuz when I'm walking and need speed
shrewd night
safe matrix
Also in higher keys sin has more survivability due to dense concoction
old sphinx
shrewd night
If that isnt a 10/10 application of that meme I dont know what is
old sphinx
stil luling
safe matrix
I'm out of the loop on that meme ._.
shrewd night
korean memes are shit memes by default
old sphinx
nah google translating names of spells etc to english from other languages that was the meme
how can you not remember
im disappointed
bye
old sphinx
safe matrix
Even then that meme pales in comparison to shienns name
shrewd night
old sphinx
I'd love to hear the story over in #off-topic
shrewd night
The meme that just keeps on giving
shrewd night
Lone_wuf, never change
safe matrix
Right into the sauna
round harbor
is crimson tempest good at all?
fiery nest
The ones with the default discord picture give the dankest memes
round harbor
or should i just go POb and pray
shrewd night
default picture, you just know they are a meme goldmine
And we can just keep on mining
safe matrix
No
Not on beta
Poison bomb has shit damage
Unless they've changed the numbers recently
round harbor
ok so CT and TB or toxic wound
atomic grotto
w/e
stark heart
toxic wound
that's a cool name but talent like that doesn't exist
safe matrix
Toxic wound is the thing from serpentrix
stark heart
probably meant venom rush
steep obsidian
toxic wound would be op apply and have green pool of posion drop for like the next few secs
pb fixt
zealous dew
toxic channel is another one
it's a channeled cast
at the end, if you complete it, you drop a pb midair
like DHT dragon boss
old sphinx
dire spoke
old sphinx
beta assassination feels so weird without kb ....
blizzardo pls make it baseline ....
vivid bone
less buttons plx
zealous dew
less than 1, is that even possible ?
old sphinx
Hands Free Class ๐ค
solid nova
Floor pedals
Flowi has foreseen the future
Mobile release and floor pedals
Its happening
vivid bone
I actually bought floor pedals
zealous dew
for F1 games ?
solid nova
Just in case like
Dont want to be caught out and fall behind because you didn't buy floor pedals
zealous dew
you can use them as modifiers
vivid bone
and that
solid nova
I cant wait to play WoW on my tablet. It will be annoying to keep tabbing out of Candy Crush though tbh
zealous dew
and have infinite keybinds
vivid bone
infinite keybinds for 1 button game โค
zealous dew
brake+shift+R = gearset for ruptures
vivid bone
lol
zealous dew
accelerator + alt + f4 = lamborghini mode on
solid nova
VR wow raiding when
stark heart
blizzardo pls make it baseline ....
ain't happening unfortunately
I would love to see KB made baseline ๐ฆ
stark heart
I'd rather honestly have KB baseline, I find Assa core to be overly simple. That would also add meaning to env buff
old sphinx
jup...
quick ice
I'd love to have KB baselined as well, I just doubt they're going to baseline an artifact ability this far into beta, hence why I thought maybe replacing TB was more likely
also without decent energy return and/or KB, TB feels kinda boring
stark heart
I just doubt they're going to baseline an artifact ability this far into beta
for 8.0 core is locked. All we can do now is be vocal and hope for mid exp rework...just like in Legion hehe
old sphinx
thing with kb is that it comes from kingslayers which we'll be giving away
so doesnt make a lot of sense to make it baseline
stark heart
thing with kb is that it comes from kingslayers which we'll be giving away
that doesn't stop quite a number of artifact actives to be talents in BfA
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
like bdk one
and unholy
old sphinx
but I'd love to have it, would make assassination a lot more engaging than what it is rn in beta
quick ice
part of the problem is obviously that KB is a very misunderstood ability (its tooltip isn't great for making it easy to understand)
there's no way to even track stacks
without an addon
stark heart
why do you need to track stacks really?
old sphinx
Idk bout tracking kb stacks
stark heart
your aim is to blanket KB with env buff/other (de)buffs
quick ice
I mean, without a way to track stacks there's no way of knowing it even has them?
stark heart
I find tooltip okay but I've heard from many people that KB is confusing in how it works
maybe stacks would help with that, dunno
quick ice
I'm not sure its clear enough to give to someone who's playing their 1st character?
old sphinx
replacing tb with kb would honestly make sense as to talent synergy, having tb and venom rush on the same row is weird...
stark heart
don't think stacks are essential to play with it, I don't use any WA to track stacks
old sphinx
yeah it doesnt really help
viscid helm
Literally no benefit
old sphinx
it's useless information
stark heart
like agony for warlocks has ramping up with time damage and it shows stacks even tho I think they could get away with not showing them
maybe it is reasonable to add stacks to KB and make debuff tooltip dynamic like "damage increased by X%"
for clarity
shrewd night
Showing stacks for warlocks would make sense if new applications started from zero, but considering its never supposed to drop off the stacks are inherently useless
old sphinx
does the 15% buff per poison application apply to the base dmg (x% of atk power over 14 sec) or the remaining dmg ( x% of atk power over 14 sec - dmg already done )
???
old sphinx
my man ^^
marble hemlock
well, when youre looking at overall damage, its not even worth having an argument anymore when some of the best subrogues can barely hit 3-3.2mil overall except for eye/cos
while assa can easily do 3.5-4mil
but as someone else said, sub has more control over where/when to do the damage, so if thats something you need (you dont in 27+) then sub still has its value
marble hemlock
its not a meme
old sphinx
does the 15% buff per poison application apply to the base dmg (x% of atk power over 14 sec) or the remaining dmg ( x% of atk power over 14 sec - dmg already done )
Cause description says : "Each time you apply a lethal poison to a target affected by kingsbane, kingsbane damage increases by 15%"
marble hemlock
ive been brought to plenty of dungeons because they wanted to run boomy+monk for dps and needed a slow
atomic grotto
tell that to the boys
marble hemlock
and since boomy already struggles on singletarget, bringing an assa is the natural choice
atomic grotto
i agree that slow is gucci
marble hemlock
because wl only does decent damage on bosses when they can proc sephuz/multi-agony, and thats not the case in a bunch of keys
old sphinx
well i mostly have it on in m+ and noone ever said anything
i didnt even realize they were memeing this ...
marble hemlock
because a lot of people dont even know rogue can slow
atomic grotto
if u check up where seli was mentioned they were memeing me for talking about slow in one previous convo
marble hemlock
when you do keys with top20 ranked people in the world and run assa+wl+monk and they ask the wl to equip sacrolash for slow, you know people just forgot that assa has crippling poison
old sphinx
does the 15% buff per poison application apply to the base dmg (x% of atk power over 14 sec) or the remaining dmg ( x% of atk power over 14 sec - dmg already done )
Cause description says : "Each time you apply a lethal poison to a target affected by kingsbane, kingsbane damage increases by 15%"
ANYONE ?
atomic grotto
isnt it obvious that the damage u already did aint gonna go higher?
marble hemlock
thats not the question
its about whether when, for example, kingsbane has already run 50% of its duration, you dont increase its damage by 15%, but by 7.5%
old sphinx
well yeah but the base damage *1.15 is more than remaining dmg * 1.15
formal kraken
read it like "each time you apply a lethal poison, the next tick damage deals 15% more damage"
atomic grotto
thats what i understand
old sphinx
it works like a ladder right ? it ramps up...
marble hemlock
its a good question actually, but i dont really think it matters
old sphinx
exactly
marble hemlock
i mean yeah, thats just because of the nature of you having more stacks later into the KB
old sphinx
if it only were the next tick, the dmg wouldnt be ramping it would be a line
viscid helm
That makes no sense
old sphinx
ye lel idk how to express what I wanna say
formal kraken
i may have explained poorly. Your next tick increases by a 15%, permanently, and it stacks
old sphinx
aight
marble hemlock
frankly it doesnt matter. if KB would be doing 1k damage base, and you had 1 application at 50% of its duration,, theres no difference between applying to the full damage, or the remaining damage, either way it would deal 575 damage during the remaining duration
i dont think its calculating on a tick-by-tick basis, it just increases the basedamage accordingly and then calculates the next tick based on its current base-damage and its remaining duration
old sphinx
that would actually make the most sense to me ^^
marble hemlock
its one of those questions where you may find an answer
atomic grotto
i just know that every poison application makes the next tick bigger
marble hemlock
but does it matter for real-world applications
because you can influence it anyway
old sphinx
nah i was just thinking of how to change kb up to be a viable talent for bfa
marble hemlock
its like wondering how much the sea-level rose ever since humanity invented seafaring
id like to know, but its not going to matter, right
atomic grotto
thats some deep shit
old sphinx
damn
atomic grotto
seli why do u vanish-envenom without shoulders? ^^
marble hemlock
same
old sphinx
oh yeah, and I've seen you run Helmet boots over shoulders bracers ... whats the reasoning behind that ?
marble hemlock
highest simming leg combination for me, i dont like bracers/shoulders
as in, i feel theyre not as consistent as the helm
old sphinx
but you only run that in m++ or also in raid environments ?
marble hemlock
get a bomb/bota proc during mantle/bracers? great, you just did damage. dont get one? theyre not as good.
bracers also suck cause you kinda have to delay CDs to line up with them, which blows
i was running helm+boots in raid, yeah
except for argus for obvious reasons
old sphinx
interesting to hear ^^ but I guess it's mostly for playstyle reasons then ?
atomic grotto
mantle boots on kingar is too good bruh
marble hemlock
initially it was because i have 985 shoulders/bracers with crit/mastery
i then thought about how i use my cooldowns and how it "limits" or rather nudges me to use helm+boots on m+ bosses
you dont really want to use mantle on bosses because in order for them to be worth it, youll have to vanish twice on bosses. means you lose 2x vanish on trash
and if i can do the same or slightly less bossdamage without needing those vanishes, id rather keep them for trash where they have a much higher impact
old sphinx
reasonable
marble hemlock
you can also vanish mid bossfight on your 2nd vendetta for a second NS rupture and itll be up again for the next trashpack, but that obviously depends on the keylevel and your groups boss-dps
and bracers... well
i dont like bracers
i mean i have to for trash
which means my precious 985 is collecting dust, which sucks hard
shrewd night
its not a meme
It is a meme. Regular joes, like this is about, should not bring a rogue to slow. Talking about your own experiences is a little meh, because lets be honest, you're an outlier Seli ๐
Sorry bout that, work and all that
marble hemlock
in part, yes
but ive seen other groups in the keys discord look for wl or assa
which leads me to believe they wanted a slow
assa just works incredibly well with monk, and monk works well with boomy, and boomy covers the aoe weakness of the assa, so its a nice fit really, and you have everything you want. stun, beam, slow
shrewd night
Im all for rogues slowing, if the comp is made for it and it is the optimal solution. But us max 24 m+ is not even close to that kind of minmaxing youre talking about for the most part.
marble hemlock
totally agree
old sphinx
imagine having pb as a pressable button which can be activated through procs that last for like 20 sec or something
marble hemlock
theres one thing people in lower keys seemingly forget all the time
old sphinx
that would balance out pb so much
marble hemlock
if youre not doing 27+, its not shit classes that deplete keys, its shit players
playing with the "meta" classes gives you some more leeway to fuck up, but if youre planning to fuck up, why even bother?
shrewd night
Ima screenshot this, print, laminate and frame it.
marble hemlock
i mean mage or boomy are really strong, right, but if they constantly asspull new stuff with starfall/ignite, then why have them around
in regards to the PB thingy, ive come to accept that PB just doesnt happen when you want it to, so if youre getting frustrated for not getting bombs on the big pulls but when the last mob has 5% health left, then assa may not be the spec you should play in m+
shrewd night
Like, Im not slamming crippling because of the basic idea of it, Im slamming crippling and rogueslowing because the people making these statements have no thought or context behind why they should do it outside of 'its useful durrr'
marble hemlock
so people should focus on doing as much as they can about the damage they have control over, while maximizing their chances to get bombs, and be happy when they proc in meaningful way
and lets be honest, its not like a single bomb every 20-30seconds would elevate our aoe to be competitive to lock, monk or boomy
it would still be worse
atomic grotto
well tanks ask for slow because they wanna kite
thats all
no in depth thinking or saying that slow is the best thing assa has
marble hemlock
in part, youre right @shrewd night , but tactics like kiting, resetting bosses etc. trickle down
they may start at the top as being "the most efficient" but people will pick it up and start doing the same on lower keys
ive done a cos19 PUG the other day, and the tank actually reset the 2nd boss for the last miniboss and did the MDI pull
i was shocked
and the same goes for kitepulls in hov/nl, what used to be a strat only done in highkeys, is now something a lot of groups do on lower keys aswell, provided they have all their bases covered. and having an assa rogue is one of two reliable ways to slow mobs, so i dont think its a meme
marble hemlock
i mean
that just means a tank knowing how to kite, and having a slow ๐
its not that hard, and plenty of 15-20 keys ive done do it because its just easier than actually tanking
you dont need the perfect grip into stun/beam and tank-gateways-away setup on lower keys, because if a few casts go through, noone is gonna get oneshot
but obviously youre right, noone brings an assa "just" for the slow ^^
shrewd night
Im just saying there is a difference between 'ima do this because lmao' and 'hey we got a good setup for this shit, and we planned for it'
marble hemlock
same as noone brings a boomy for the beam, or the monk for their stun. it has other advantages over a lot of classes, and people that watched a lot of rick and morty know about them and plan their comp accordingly
atomic grotto
well since the first time i talked about slow i was memed
and i only said it helps tank kiting
marble hemlock
i just wanted to chime in and say that people are more aware of assa actually having a slow, and for some groups that may be the deciding factor as to which player to bring in
but theres still like 80% of the playerbase that are clueless about us being able to slow, so yeah....
shrewd night
I like to think we belong to the 20% in here, but whitenames keep proving me wrong every day in basic questions
shrewd night
solid nova
Still think you're missing the entire point rofl
solid nova
@marble hemlock Did you manage to get any reruns on the VoW?
marble hemlock
nah
the ruskis did a 28 without me when i took a break, ashine was in that one, did like 2.9mil overall and they timed it with like 3mins to spare
shrewd night
How come you arent sponsored yet reeee
marble hemlock
but vault29 was timeable last week
we had a wipe on glazer and sjele teleported to dalaran after until we decided to finish the run, lost like 3-4mins on that alone
ye
lower is actually a meme
you have exactly 2 scary trashpulls
the mobs below opera, and the horsies
and since you just pull all of them together and blow them up with all CDs
solid nova
Not even close
solid nova
Streaming when?
marble hemlock
not today
wise frigate
Riot.
marble hemlock
burned out by doing keys 12-16h a day the last week
jovial kite
sjele ragequit?
marble hemlock
sort of
jovial kite
Color me surprised :p
marble hemlock
he died on glazer
and was the only CR
so we wiped
everyone thought it was over
he hearthed out
we decided to keep going
jovial kite
I've played with him when i pushed keys
marble hemlock
so he had to fly back to the dungeon
marble hemlock
still only 6min over time, so yeah ๐
marble hemlock
sjele is a good boy, i just think the people hes playing with have a negative effect on him
marble hemlock
never actually played a key with jay, or muscle for that matter, but thats because i try to avoid them
jovial kite
that being said hes a good m+ leader
marble hemlock
i like to joke around while playing and not be super tryhard, thats hard to do with them i feel
solid nova
You mean he isn't in Draculas dungeon? ๐ฆ
marble hemlock
i mean it obviously is
shrewd night
dont talk shit about ๐ช โค ya fucking nonames
solid nova
With the sepia ish cam tone
marble hemlock
but yeah, jay is definitely someone with incredible mechanical skill
hes just too greedy/toxic at times
id still argue that dylemma/firedup are better mages overall, but jay just puts in so much time that his results are better
shrewd night
the real one from the tournament
marble hemlock
the chinese one then
marble hemlock
best mage is daisyduke, and im in no way biased just because i played tournaments with him ๐
yeah
daisy was insane back then
but orangemarmalade and triggz both were better
he even said so himself
wise frigate
Was Orange the one who was stealing that buff in BRH for like 30mil DPS?
marble hemlock
nah, hes a pvp mage
wise frigate
Ah okay.
marble hemlock
chinese i think
and alca, another mage, was the one who adopted his name and posted his videos on warcraftmovies
shrewd night
https://youtu.be/7duX4QpVaAQ?t=3m37s - This is the meme
solid nova
Best clip
solid nova
Mana burn ๐
marble hemlock
those were the days, when mana on non-healers actually meant something
reminds me of the games we had against cherez when we had basically a minute to kill something or daisy would just be oom thanks to vipersting+scorpion pet
atomic grotto
when was that?
marble hemlock
wotlk
ye
i mean
we won the very first tournament realm ๐
but yeah, those were fun times
20min between games because we were riding from ironforge to dunmorogh to wetlands to queue games without people being able to inspect us to see what rating we had
meager plover
how much mastery is too much
marble hemlock
cant have too much mastery
shrewd night
Clip was uploaded in 2009
meager plover
210% isn't too much?
solid nova
What do your stat weights tell you?
meager plover
when i ran a sim it changed to crit > mastery
so i swapped my 2 ring enchants and 1 gem to crit
now its back to mastery
lol
24%
24% crit, 204% mastery atm
marble hemlock
yeah, i miss those times
dueling hydra was ridiculous
but i won like 1 out of 30 duels
because i managed to pre-cloak and vanish all his fears
shrewd night
Back in the day when youd use shadow word death to pre-knock yourself out of cc
marble hemlock
not even sure which were the toughest opponents for us, because we were only really struggling against turtleheal lineups
haha ye
vanishing deathcoils in meleerange โค
i miss the old vanish
could do so many fun things with that
i mean comp didnt matter all that much back then
we were struggling against any wl comp, but we still got wins in there if they weren't top noth
just had to interrupts 0.5sec feldom cast and spellsteal it before he got a second pet off, it was that easy :>
shrewd night
Doing damage?
marble hemlock
dont think we ever had to play against an SP i think
shrewd night
Fuck off with that random stun
marble hemlock
was mostly RMP, WLD, RLD and a few turtleheal setups with either warrior or hunter
shrewd night
'all shadow damage has 2% chance to stun' 
Oh shi-
Thought we were talking WAAAY back when
mb
marble hemlock
cant stun when youre an orc with the stun-resistant metagem \o/
i mean
it was better than the
"double castspeed for your next spell" one
where the lock just drained 30% of your mana in like 1sec
but 40% stunresist healers were no joke
but yeah, i didnt really play pvp all too much during wrath anymore
since i rerolled dk to tank raids, i only did glad in s5 with gaara and we played on the wotlk tournament realm too
shrewd night
They ruined sl/sl lock into wrath, so I dabbled into some demo gameplay, never flet the same unfortunately
marble hemlock
had like 60-2 stats and were top10, then we read you needed 200games to be eligible so we lost like 100 on purpose and got burned out, then later realized you only needed those 200 games for the title.....
so we just said fuck it and i havent really touched pvp competitively ever since
did some RBG during cata release
but playing arathi against 7 frostmages, 2 rogues and 5holypallies every single game while we were just running with whoever was available was not fun
shrewd night
Sounds like Twin peaks at launch
Just get a tank druid to carry flag, and sealform right back to base
marble hemlock
yup
or as horde
just slowfall with rocketboots
and fly to victory
before they changed that youd drop flag on rocketboots
was fun
(not)
echo estuary
Stun resist meta gem? I'm firm on that it was stun reduction. There was however spell resist gem afaik. Doesn't devalue your point however -- orc had like 40% stun reduction with everything combined, especially orc warlocks were nasty.
wise frigate
Think that's what he meant. That meta plus Orc's reduction made stuns a lot less effective.
wise frigate
Do it.
echo estuary
But resist implies that the stun would be nullified (for example deep freeze resist) there is a distinct difference
wise frigate
Disappointed I have no Nike swoosh emoji.
solid nova
@jovial kite No balls you wont
wise frigate
Well spell resistance just reduced damage you took from it.
So I usually think of both similarly.
marble hemlock
it used to be straight up resist, eventually they changed it to reduce the duration
jovial kite
@ big self-important chat despots
echo estuary
I dont remember that at all mate, when was this? Bc?
Everybody ran spell penetration, around 70 minimum
marble hemlock
yeah, tbc
had straightup resistance on orcs, aswell as the metagem that increased that resistance
"kidney resist" was a normal thing back then
echo estuary
Some teams used to be really scummy and swap resistance gear in arena (bc)
shrewd night
I played warlock, and as much as a fanboi I was of warlock sl/sl was fucking braindead
old sphinx
๐ค wat
exotic glen
m+ dongers
old sphinx
ahhhh
shrewd night
Cyberninja readon comprehension - 0/10
exotic glen
readon
old sphinx
mean
shrewd night
Shiennar writing skill - 0/10
wise frigate
"readon"
old sphinx
Shiennar Flame - 10/10
old sphinx
prisma gull
I've only done +12 as highest :(
exotic glen
rokmora
old sphinx
ye crackly boi
exotic glen
shatter oneshots
marble hemlock
ye ๐
fun times
idk, just feels like m+ is the one good thing to come out of legion
solid nova
Dont forget demon hunters
exotic glen
fuck me, the timer in this donger is tight
marble hemlock
whats good about demonhunters?
i mean, their tankspec is fine
but the damage spec is.... i dont even know what that is
solid nova
I was meming mate
marble hemlock
and if they couldnt come up with more than 1 decent idea for a new spec, why design a new class
solid nova
As i know how much Don loves them
marble hemlock
honestly
couldve just given rogue a 4th spec which is current VDH
noone would miss HDH
solid nova
But WoW needed the injection of a complex class that can multi role
I'm glad they listened to the players and released such an engaging class
marble hemlock
๐
old sphinx
222222222222222211111122222222222221111112222222222322222222221111222222221111 <-- Representation of Dps DH
exotic glen
only 6 minutes over timer
solid nova
@marble hemlock That's a toxic emoji fam
solid nova
You're so good ๐
solid nova
It just stinks of bm
exotic glen
๐
solid nova
Read the pins ๐
exotic glen
i love it because its so smug
marble hemlock
ye
solid nova
Its proper sarcastic looking
solid nova
omg i ask a simple question and everyone so toxic
old sphinx
๐ค
marble hemlock
๐
exotic glen
someone linked me a kpop metal song once and i dont like kpop
solid nova
Cant say i didnt try
tender adder
Am I suppose to be kingsbaning after a envenom or just in case?
solid nova
Or just incase what?
tender adder
On CD autocorrect
old sphinx
someone linked me a kpop metal song once and i dont like kpop
I mean kpop without the metal is "fine" but the metal part, that thing^s scary
marble hemlock
and im old-fashioned, if i want 'meh' music with something to look at, i watch alizee vids from 15years ago instead
ah... those were the times
exotic glen
who
solid nova
I dont know who that is mate
exotic glen
๐
old sphinx
member alizee ? Peperidge Farm members
solid nova
Who/want is Alizee?
marble hemlock
yikes
solid nova
What*
marble hemlock
some french pop star from a decade ago
solid nova
A decade ago i was 15 mate
old sphinx
Google... it exists for a reason
marble hemlock
yeah
solid nova
@old sphinx If people dont need to read pins, I dont need to google
Im all about equality
marble hemlock
still young and new to the world
marble hemlock
not sure how i feel about living in an age where people born in 2000 are actually adults
vivid bone
A decade ago I was 2 decades old
solid nova
Grampy Luke
vivid bone
Fuck off
marble hemlock
same
old sphinx
still when i heard one of my friends was dating a someone born in 2002 i felt disgust, also i heard sirens for some reason ....
marble hemlock
yup
old sphinx
FeelsGood to not be that young, but still be yung af
old sphinx
๐
marble hemlock
dunno, wouldnt mind being younger again
marble hemlock
i feel young, then i remember 2000s are 18, and i feel old
exotic glen
if you get to start over your entire life with all your current memories, would you do it
jovial kite
@vivid bone i love that woman
old sphinx
yes
vivid bone
She's mine damnit
old sphinx
i'd be a millionaire by the age of 12
marble hemlock
nah, fuck those memories
jovial kite
Cyberninja ๐
exotic glen
lmao
jovial kite
Reformed bby??
old sphinx
mby ๐
vivid bone
I wish she was my woman @jovial kite
echo estuary
reformed is a myth
jovial kite
Wb my man
old sphinx
ty ty ^^
solid nova
Where did you go and why
jovial kite
@vivid bone same.. so hot
old sphinx
I got banned for calling someone the r word
and telling them to get checked
wasnt the smartest move
marble hemlock
wait, calling someone reformed gets you banned?
old sphinx
I realize that now
exotic glen
i said the a-word and got muted for a day
jovial kite
no more mr roboto
jovial kite
Ass rogue
echo estuary
i remember seeing alizee on MTV back in 00/01? she was stunning
keen inlet
exotic glen
you cant say that richar
old sphinx
oh yeah
marble hemlock
careful richard
solid nova
I said assassination
shrewd night
@exotic glen gotta remember this was before the Don-era so shit was inconsistent as fuck. People got permd for shit others got muted for.
marble hemlock
you immediately woke the don
solid nova
Dont take me to off topic
marble hemlock
by saying the a-word
solid nova
OFF TOPIC
marble hemlock
she got fat
keen inlet
Okay well
marble hemlock
and has a bunch of tattoos
keen inlet
Let's discuss that in off-topic
old sphinx
#off-topic dat way
exotic glen
@shrewd night yeah i remember a ton of people that used to be regulars in this channel just disappearing and people say its because they all got banned
keen inlet
@exotic glen #off-topic also don't believe everything you hear
vivid bone
We're all in off-topic
hoary copper
dedspec
exotic glen
ded channel
wind gull
I miss this channel
zealous dew
this channel is so toxic they named a talent after it in BFA
zealous dew
it's level 120 called toxic stuff
0.01% per cp spent to spend another cp to gain a cp
zealous dew
buy a fan
wise frigate
25 > dying. 
zealous dew
what will you do when it's going to be 40+ ?
exotic glen
looks like im taking the express turbo lane richard
sorry
its not gonna be 40+ here
exotic glen
like maybe 35 max
zealous dew
here = ?
zealous dew
Italy
last summer we had like 42 and 95% humidity
couldn't breathe
f0k this place
exotic glen
guess where im never going
exotic glen
idk like
zealous dew
but summer just no
zealous dew
it depends where you are used to live
exotic glen
after today, i will kill if it meant i got 18 degrees tomorrow
solid nova
@exotic glen UK Things
zealous dew
f0k rain, i can't stand rain
solid nova
Im just surprised i got 3 days with a sun on it ๐
exotic glen
rain is bis
zealous dew
rain is just no, you go somewhere and you end up soaking wet and sneezing
rather have snow
hoary copper
It's 29 here today, one of the cooler days
Actually looks like we have 1 day of 26 here
echo estuary
hoary copper
I'd post mine, but you'd have to convert it. tbh this is the coolest spring we've had in a long time. has barely hit 32 yet
echo estuary
where are you located
solid nova
Let me come to tan ๐ฆ
hoary copper
Brits tan?
I thought that was camouflage so when you went to snowy areas you could just jump in the snow and be hidden.
solid nova
There's some sort of other heritage on my dads side, not sure where though. Been meaning to look into it
I tan well, but never have the weather for it ๐ฆ
Or stuck in the office
hoary copper
All my heritage leads me to be pasty...Dads side is mostly French Canadian, Moms side is Irish and Polish/Russian/Lithuanian (not really sure, I traced it to an area that was owned by Russia at the time)
solid nova
My mums parents were Irish and I never met my dads side
So its a mystery for now ๐
hoary copper
I started tracing it for my moms bday but I kinda got stuck and not sure how to go back further
hoary copper
I'm 4 hours north of there ish
zealous dew
doesn't matter you can still go there
i'm 14hrs away from there and prob 2 planes
not to mention passports, visas and crap like that
hoary copper
Psh small details
I mean I dont really have a reason to go there, its super expensive and if you go to the wrong spot you'd prob be shot
old sphinx
ayy finally a decent item from weekly
hoary copper
I gave up on m+ long time ago. Too many items in leggo slots or haste items or both
lean hill
940 base, heroic antorus isnt worth doing at 945
I get my weekly chests just in case though
Need those haste mastery items
hoary copper
If that was our primary stats I think I'd be 970 by now
hoary copper
Im casual tho
Still need aotc, cant get groups passed coven
I got into more groups for HKJ and got it faster than this which was a harder fight from what im told
hoary copper
What is this friend you speak of?
hoary copper
yea its like 200K gold over here idk if its worth the gold
zealous dew
not really
but when i pug HC on alts for trinket upgrade i see ppl second boosted guys coming in, asked price, around 40-45
it's easier to wipe on aggramar than argus tbh
hoary copper
haha always
fiery nest
Just invite the carries when you get to argus ๐ค
spare cloud
round harbor
just feelycrafted what looks good
strange python
master assassin feels good?
safe matrix
๐ค
strange python
I've never used it so what can I say
round harbor
it feels not horrible
strange python
yeah that was my impression... 3 seconds!
marble hemlock
anyone else got the feeling that almost all our talent choices are garbage?
and then you want to aoe some more
and all you can do
is cast another CT ๐
because that still deals more aoe damage than letting teh NS CT run full duration ๐ฆ
i mean we're already energy starved after building CP for and actually casting 2 CTs :/
but yeah, it looks like we kinda have to multi-rupture hard in order to get some decent energy sustain, but were not really casting CT anymore and currently it just feels to be better for aoe to just not give a shit about ruptures and spam-cast CTs with your base regen instead
safe matrix
does CT get the NS snapshot
strange python
ya
marble hemlock
ye
safe matrix
I thought it only buffs the initial hit
marble hemlock
nope, its not like kingsbane
safe matrix
aight coo
marble hemlock
and i think the only reason kingsbane doesnt work with NS is because the damage over time actually gets recalculated whenever you proc a lethal poison
yeah lol
that would be awesome
i mean
youre probably gonna save CP from the previous pack
do a non-pandemic CT
build ruptures while it runs
strange python
maybe a lesser version of venomous wounds lol
marble hemlock
and once thats done, you have multiruptured enough to spam CT after
either way
its going to be a consistent aoe dps that we can control
and optimize
no more PB โค
safe matrix
but how am I gonna excuse my shitty parse now
spare nebula
^^^^
spare nebula
shit procs, yes. 1 proc. no.
prime void
If shit procs bug you don't play a PB reliant build kek
prime void
also mfw complaining on a heroic fight
spare nebula
just saying the whole "lol heroic" reeks of holier-than-thou
when the point is the rng over an almost 5 minute span
spare nebula
lol ok dude
prime void
@gusty kestrel https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HPf6aJGYcgbQNFp2#fight=32&view=rankings we did a thing
stacked em
lol
manic vigil
Toxic mizu is back 
spare nebula
Oh?
prime void
I'll take it
spare nebula
better.
manic vigil
safe matrix
but you guys stacked the whole time?
prime void
yes liav