No, you plan around pandemic with CP
#assassination
dire spoke
vagrant patio
ah right, got it
tardy belfry
Does rupture get snapshotted by buffs like vendetta and mantle? I know about nightstalker but Iโm not sure about the others
wise frigate
Just Nightsalker.
stark heart
everything but NS and Subt is dynamically applied to bleeds
crisp violet
So with that elaborate planning build with wrists/feet and insignia, is it doing just 2-3 CP envenoms liek in EN or just 4-5 as per normal?
warm parcel
The guide answers all cp questions
crisp violet
Didn't see anything in that guide about that elab build with wrists and insignia I've seen a few times, so will just assume as normal, thanks
lone junco
@crisp violet with any EP build, you run pretty high crit. just finish env on 4cp+ occasionally a 3cp rupture is not a huge loss, but the rotation doesnt change really.
hollow robin
Is it ever worth ignoring sims and dropping dps for more crit to smooth out the rotation? Sitting at 22% crit atm, but sims keep telling me its better than the alternative. Just feels super low.
warm parcel
if you want less dmg sure
iron nimbus
Hey everyone. You all gave me a lot of great advice a week or two ago and I've been working to incorporate it into my play. I think I've improved a bit, so I have a new log for critique (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/B6GWYjJFyDtdZQzm#fight=30&type=damage-done). Thanks all!
wise frigate
old sphinx
yikes
viscid helm
im tired so cba spending time
opener is wrong
TB/KB usage is wrong
vanish is used at the wrong time
viscid helm
signal grotto
for complete rogue beginners, would you guys recommend the bleed or poison build? see theres 2 on ravenholdt
supple hearth
Poison
signal grotto
kk
old sphinx
@exotic glen new phone who dis ?
fleet whale
Poison because it's way easier to gear up for
fleet whale
I've had to apply poisons mid fight before
wise frigate
You didn't miss out on too much. It's only like a 1.1k DPS loss to not apply poisons.
iron nimbus
So how are we supposed to use KB/TB? Is on CD (after light pooling) wrong?
old sphinx
m! you misspelled 1.1m @wise frigate
severe harbor
so I couldn't kill anyone
wise frigate
No I didn't.
severe harbor
because healers are overtuned 
supple hearth
Deadly poison is like your 2nd or 3rd top damage as sin rogue in bgs so it's way more than 1.1k or 1.1m overall
supple hearth
assassination
supple hearth
You take the talent so that deadly = wound
spare cloud
I have no talent points ๐ญ
severe harbor
Yeah I just got into Legion maybe 4-5 days ago
supple hearth
Deadly brew is the name of the talent
severe harbor
been mainly getting my new DH from 98 to 110
severe harbor
then getting his gear to 910
but decided to hop onto the rogue now that I'm happy with my DH
DH def more fun in PvE but in PvP just feel like he doesn't do damage compared to the rogue, no CC either has like one stun and the belf racial
tonnes of DPS if you can free-hit people but healers are stupid OP and can just heal through your DPS so if they're not stunned they don't die
spare cloud
Yeah dh really fun in pve
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wise frigate
Just play Veng in PvP and hope you only get flag carrying maps.
And laugh at the plebs as you cap 3 flags before the enemy has left their base.
exotic glen
@old sphinx im not anyone in particular, i just remember when you got banned
old sphinx
I was joking ๐ I member you ๐
exotic glen
wb ya bastard
old sphinx
โค ty
spare cloud
who are you?
wise frigate
@supple hearth Only 1.1k increase with poisons.
exotic glen
literally no way thats possible lmao
spare cloud
thats almost exponential pb scaling level math
wise frigate
The sims don't lie man.
old sphinx
trust in the sims
wise frigate
No he meant 1.1k DPS.
exotic glen
im just memeing
severe harbor
so if I've just gotten into the expansion
low honor level on rogue
don't have the talent yet
is wound poison better?
wise frigate
Best get to farming those warden towers.
spare cloud
why sim pvp though?
old sphinx
@spare cloud I member when you were called Tophiphe back in the days... also when don created the toffifee meme
spare cloud
wasnt even a meme in some countries its genuinely called toffifay
or some shit like that
old sphinx
i know ^^
wise frigate
12 btw
spare cloud
but he didnt get it
old sphinx
I see don got promoted ... when did that happen ?
exotic glen
nothing goes over my head
i would catch it, im too fast
like 2 weeks ago i think it happened?
spare cloud
fast as fuck boi
exotic glen
you get the reference toph?
exotic glen
its one of the guardian of the galaxy movies, cant remember which one
spare cloud
Yeah havent seen them
exotic glen
theyre pretty good
wise frigate
First one.
exotic glen
idk i liked both
wise frigate
Also, I need that guy's leg.
exotic glen
first one was best tho i agree
wise frigate
I was more saying the quote was in the first one.
old sphinx
#off-topic is that way
wise frigate
But I do agree.
spare cloud
old ones as well
wise frigate
Original trilogy is the only Star Wars.
spare cloud
I grew up with fantasy not science fiction
exotic glen
i dont have much love for old star wars, but they're good enough
void pecan
Bless you.
spare cloud
Telling people to move to offtopic is also offtopic
old sphinx
reformed 
spare cloud
so go away ๐คท
void pecan
Mods help
wise frigate
Am not name. Am human bean.
void pecan
this toxic boi
old sphinx
aaand im out bye
wise frigate
RUN AWAYYYYY
exotic glen
cya in another half year cyberninja
strange python
eye +25 hetecoil , you guys survive with focused lightening with faint only ?
drifting cloud
id assume you need some avoidance
supple hearth
simming for bg PvP
Iiterally what @wise frigate
wise frigate
That was a sim for PvE.
supple hearth
The conversation was about PvP tho
supple hearth
Don't do that or if u are at least do it well
wise frigate
I mean, anyone who was around for that whole deal with the 1.1k increase understood what I was saying.
echo estuary
how come BfA is allowed? gotcha ;>
severe harbor
I was playing a BG with honor among thieves
and a Havoc DH crit like 10x in a row
I got like 3 envenoms off in 3 GCDs
did like half his HP
was juicy
in like 6 seconds got 3 talent points
so that + a mutilate was a free envenom
I wonder how reliable it is to gear exclusively through pvp
you could argue youre relying on RNG
but so is raiding
but raiding has better stuff regardless
so it's better rng?
hm
You think Assassination Rogue has the highest single target burst in the game? ๐ค
You'd think so but Fury Warrior definitely seems way higher
which is weird since Rogue's are kinda fit for that bill on a design perspective.
spare cloud
how is that relevant
exotic glen
like if you get 1 poison bomb in opener, you're winning over fury warriors
spare cloud
and how is assa supposed to be a burst specc from a design perspective
its about poisons and bleeding your opponent to death
severe harbor
Rogue is a burst class
severe harbor
Sub does less damage
spare cloud
and a sub rogue can consistently outburst a fury warrior
severe harbor
more CC
spare cloud
sub has higher short burst than assa
old sphinx
? huh isnt spec fantasy of sub that they jump in kill and jump out again ?
severe harbor
well less damage in like 100-0ing a target
spare cloud
wat
exotic glen
sub and assa is about equal in burst imo
old sphinx
and as toph said assassin is more about bleeding enemies out ?
severe harbor
they have strong opener burst with MFD/DFA and Evis
old sphinx
talking class fantasy
exotic glen
idk if ours just suck then because we switch being on top
old sphinx
in the game it's different obviously
spare cloud
argonic I'd argue that in the first 10 seconds of a fight I'll consistently do more with sub than with assa
severe harbor
wtf is outlaw's fantasy
spare cloud
pirate life
old sphinx
ye
wise frigate
Being on suicide watch.
severe harbor
is there any way to get the artifact weapon to sheath on your hips like normal daggers do isntead of on your back it looks awful
exotic glen
ctrl z i think it is
wise frigate
severe harbor
it is not
wise frigate
Yeah, mog it to a different dagger.
old sphinx
unsheathe and sheathe daggers is z / ctrl+z
severe harbor
I meant
spare cloud
assa daggers are too big
spare cloud
you cant
viscid helm
severe harbor
how to sheath and unsheath
wise frigate
Yeah, mog it to a different dagger. Problem solved.
wise frigate
Then suck it up.
spare cloud
dont want to accidentally cut yourself while putting them on your hip
with those poisons
exotic glen
violet yew
Leeching poison to the nuts. Ooof.
exotic glen
@spare cloud
spare cloud
argonic
exotic glen
toph
spare cloud
do you actually burst as much as assa as you do as sub?
because then your sub opener is probably messed up
violet yew
He bad
exotic glen
๐คท๐ฟ i do that regularily too
violet yew
How many pb procs tho
wise frigate
violet yew
I thought argonic is saying that's as assa
old sphinx
wait, you don't have poison bomb on sub ? ๐ค
violet yew
I have rtb and pb as sub 
exotic glen
might be something wrong with your opener then
old sphinx
exotic glen
๐
sturdy python
So getting back into Sin. Read the guide but feel like I can do more. When TB and KB are coming off CD whats the best way to manage them
exotic glen
tb > kb, use them on cooldown
sturdy python
Ok another question, I only envenom out of vanish if TB is already on the target?
WIth mantle
exotic glen
what do you do with excess combo points when you already have rupture on the target?=
do you just keep mutilating
spare cloud
Jhonwei mod when?
plain thistle
๐คฆ
spare cloud
Lies
exotic glen
what he said
sturdy python
Okay, it hasnt been but im assuming thats me mismanaging
spare cloud
depends on your relics really
vanish when tb is up and vendetta
never vanish out of vendetta and when tb isnt up
sturdy python
K got it
spare cloud
and get 5 cp before you vanish
sturdy python
Would assume 3 cp>TB>Vanish would be optimal
spare cloud
with bracers save last vanish for 30% or less boss hp
exotic glen
if you dont get another vanish cast that is
exotic glen
fak, didnt see that
sturdy python
Wait so on the vanish I build to 5 cp, wasted or not?
Crap thats probably a lot of dps ive been losing
spare cloud
You want max dmg there so you kinda want 5cp on the first one
exotic glen
not really " a lot of dps"
uncut dragon
Hey, rogue friends. Anyone mucking around on beta? Am I going to do OK with an assassination main for a mythic raiding guild? I can't find any good comparisons across the dps specs online yet.
exotic glen
its just min/maxing
spare cloud
but if would lose out on smth then just vanish with 4
uncut dragon
Although I hate the change to feint already
spare cloud
like for example if the last envenom wouldnt go into tb anym ore
exotic glen
@uncut dragon you would do best asking again once bfa is out
literally no one knows, tuning isnt in yet
spare cloud
I know
sturdy python
Best to pool energy right before KB or TB come off yeah?
uncut dragon
of course-it would be best to ask after 8.1 rolls, too. Just trying to plan ahead.
still have my 110 boost, was trying to figure out what to do with it in case rogues are gimped.
spare cloud
Pool so you got 100% envenom uptime during kb
@sturdy python
and 2+ envenoms into every toxic blade
sturdy python
Alright, havent played Sin sicne NH so trying to see whats different. Mostly just TB been throwing me off
I appreciate the help
sturdy python
SOunds good
spare cloud
use for maximum impact unless you lose casts
sturdy python
Right, how it was before. Just gotta plan out whats going to line up a bit before hand so you have rup/garrote and energy ready for it
spare cloud
You dont want to rup while tb is up
sturdy python
Yeah thats what I meant
Have rupture refreshed so you dont have to
So I just hit a dummy for a bit
My second vanish came off CD about 15 seconds before KB/TB and around 25s before Vendetta
So do I hold TB for 10 seconds
Nevermind
Says that in the guide ๐
strange python
how many master assassin relics do u have
spare cloud
3
gilded kayak
hey I use Enkeys rogue weak aura, does anyone have any idea why it has stopped showing combo points randomly for assassination? Other specs are fine and I have tried reloading the weak aura and everything?
sturdy python
I have 1
dire spoke
Reasons for WAs not showing mostly are related to version or talent-switching which you can check in the 'Load' tab
gilded kayak
well it actually bugged after I went sub and switched back
dire spoke
maybe he has some faulty DS/Vigor condition
gilded kayak
hmm so check the load tab and if not just need to learn a new WA?
severe harbor
Holy fuck bag of tricks is absurd
literally just cheap shot + garrote, mutilate and 5 stack envenomed and killed some poor soul almost 100-0
12.5% chance 
rng is fair and fun
dire spoke
You can also delete and re-import it to make sure nothing changed
lucid latch
!guide
exotic glen
sub is a bit more bonkers in wpvp imo
dire spoke
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
exotic glen
its just shadowstrike > SD/SS > dfa, ded
spare cloud
Thats not assa
lone junco
civic palm
๐
lone junco
just looked at someones log for varith. same ilvl like 300k less. ill take it.
this is mine. Ill probably log for pretpatch, lols. i guess.
lone junco
garrote is bigger than a mutilate. so ns and subterfuge is better
lucid latch
does garrote benefit from stealthing
civic palm
from NS and SUB yeah
lone junco
the only way Mutilate may exceed Garrote on the open is if you have env up and already have 1cp
(a joke, but prob true)
lone junco
np
civic palm
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
lone junco
and
lucid latch
we always use deadly poison right
civic palm
Yes
lone junco
the opener is pretty tight if you have shoulders
mut crits, so you get NS Garrote Mut Crit (5) rupture.
(tb kb) crit. . shoulder drops. vanish env chain
lucid latch
garotte isn't used outside of opener?
civic palm
Used literally outside of the opener, almost immediately.
lone junco
maintain garrote.
read the guide.
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
severe harbor
Garrote is like ur biggest damage source
or top 3
usually my top 3 is deadly poison, muta and garrote
in that order
lone junco
severe harbor
no
lone junco
severe harbor
kidney shot > envenom if it's off cooldown
but 30 second cd so only really use it once
lone junco
@severe harbor go away
civic palm
Don't lie.
severe harbor
at leas tlike
in an opener
first 5 stacks is spent on rupture, then kidney shot and then you staart envenom spamming
civic palm
o _o
nova pagoda
that makes it a 100% chacne for a posin bomb right?
civic palm
nova pagoda
xd
lone junco
@lucid latch yeah. you maintain rupture and garrote. Env is your spender. it is a hit and a buff, so people will talk about clipping Env, it means to only env enough to maintain. while not capping energy or cps.
im actually looking forward to my sephuz kick exang build in prepatch.
civic palm
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
lone junco
i hit 115% haste the other day messing around.
civic palm
uhhuh
steep obsidian
lone junco
thats sephuz plus alacrity ๐ฆ
civic palm
Which you are losing come prepatch > _>
civic palm
Not one with Alacrity in it.
lone junco
I saw the tornado shit
civic palm
๐
lone junco
Storm Ev Storm ev storm ev STorm ev
civic palm
Polish flag... or ok hand...
lone junco
or what not.
๐
seems like a manual ks
with combo
whew. @keen inlet finally passed me in posts. I had to take off a few months for him to catch up. but it is his ๐ฅ now.
civic palm
oh yeah?
lone junco
sub auto pushes sht right?
severe harbor
oh wait I just realized you were talking about pvp
I meant kidney > envenom in pvp
yikes
yeah don't stun mobs constantly that's
not needed
TALKING ABOUT PVE*
fuck me im autistic
need coffee
lone junco
yeah, but alacrity gets more pokes so more 1/5cps right?
I dont enjoy sht. if there is a high dps mosh build, thats fine, but without mongo dfa, I doubt sub will be worth it for me.
severe harbor
how is this possible
enemy team had 4 paladins
so it was pretty hard to actually open on anyone ever
but fuck
why am I like this
#2 is a ret paladin the dude is in a wheelchair pressing 2 buttons and did 30m more damage than me
guess I'm the 
spare cloud
Henlo
exotic glen
henlo
signal grotto
I'm probably just stupid, but on the ravenholdt website I don't see any different rotation/leggos etc for poison or bleed build, is the only real difference between the two the talents that you use and the rest is the same?
strange python
in "openers and rotation" there is a section for exsanguinate build
exotic glen
signal grotto
ah gotcha, exsang is the bleed build... should have realized that... sanguine.. blood. duh
strange python
haha np
signal grotto
I was right, was just me being stupid. thanks lol
strange python
you can sim it but mostly likely ds
strange python
honestly I like anticipation even if it has no practical use
I like the idea of 'buffering' cp
spare cloud
I'm wet
strange python
nope
eager oak
Am I mutilating at 4?
strange python
you still don't want to mutilate 3 times in a row
exotic glen
still envenom at 4
spare cloud
did you read the guide?
spare cloud
Where is xaethron today
fiery nest
who cares
spare cloud
strange python
on argus
not mythic
my second vanish seems to line up exactly when the sky buff falls off
spare cloud
Unlucky
exotic glen
unluck chuck
strange python
like vanish is off cooldown but vendetta is not
spare cloud
No
strange python
is it better to vanish with like 350% mastery or wait for vendetta
spare cloud
idk your killtimes are weird
the thing is your crit chance is really high as well
so without the energy regen from vendetta you're not gonna get much out of the vanish
if you vanish without vendetta
strange python
yea
strange python
I gotcha.
spare cloud
if its a gain I'd say its very minimal
manic vigil
play boots bracers, ez clap
spare cloud
since your poisons etc. would have 100% crit as well
strange python
its tempting uni
manic vigil
most likely yeah
but I really love argus heroic, one of the best fights for boots bracers
spare cloud
but argus is the only boss where I'd not be surprised to see something other than bracers shoulders be top log
Especially hc
with add vanish
wait
the other way around
mythic
without add vanish
that sounds right.
yeah most top hc logs are still shoulders bracers
hc
mythic its pretty even and top log is boots bracers
yeah
manic vigil
damn I never even think about that "padding" phase
spare cloud
add vanish probably deciding factor
manic vigil
makes sense actually
exotic glen
padding?
manic vigil
also fun as aff lock, lemme tell ya 
exotic glen
you mean killing your add very fast because big dps
spare cloud
Nah
top logs are probably adds stacked near nature
and pbs
and like 4 pbs then
hitting 3/4 mobs
- buffed nature add
exotic glen
would be ez game
spare cloud
- fok aoe for instant 5 cp
manic vigil
ye
primal quail
dont really need stacking to get a good parse so much as just a sale run
spare cloud
manic vigil
as aff lock you just agony them all and go ham on the shadow dude. it's fucking glorious. one of the very few things I love about playing aff lock ๐
spare cloud
we're not talking about "good parses"
primal quail
more people = higher hp pool = longer time on damage boosted add
fast nacelle
parses as rogues 
primal quail
i have many argus sales, a lot of my better runs are just better poison bombs without much stacking
primal quail
my best parse is 2.76 if that makes it any more accurate
spare cloud
do you have a rank 1 though
exotic glen
kingaroth is the easiest boss smh
primal quail
for kingaroth sure
for argus id say most important thing is just ratio of carries/people getting boosted
spare cloud
Pretty sure the korean guys do stuff like delay p1 on argus
for more stacks
and then clear p2 fast
primal quail
i havent done many sales in a while
spare cloud
and then burn boss with buff
primal quail
but if by p2 you mean the add phase, its better to stay in phase 2 as long as possible
spare cloud
How so
primal quail
most sales i used to do are 4-5 buffs phase 1, followed by as long a p2 as you can get
primal quail
worst case scenario you are attacking a target that takes way more damage than anything else you are attacking for the fight
fast nacelle
3.3k on portal
primal quail
best case you get a damage boosted target + adds stacked on top
exotic glen
also fugg koreans for insane cheese parses, doing weird shit
spare cloud
Ofc, you want to solo 3/4 stacked adds
primal quail
only had 1 attempt on it
but we just let 1 person do it every week
same group for clearing heroic for a while now
original intent was just killing stuff as fast as possible
fast nacelle
same useless nonsense but w/e makes people happy
primal quail
a lot of our times are not very optimal for assassin
primal quail
but for argus phase2 is just higher damage than p1/3 any way you look at it
primal quail
just because the adds wont have enough HP
exotic glen
toph
we were /rolling on who could cheese adds on aggramar from now on last raid
who do you think won
the same warlock that has been dotting with corruption all progress and every kill until now
fast nacelle
you also stay on boss @ portal keeper
primal quail
but ya tyra idk, they just started the aoe cheesing recently in the run
primal quail
originally the intent was just kill stuff as fast as possible
fast nacelle
like people do all this stupid things
spare cloud
kill stuff as fast as possible -> 8 mins killtime probably
fast nacelle
logs and the rankings say nothing... even less for assa rogues.. same as sub rogues in tomb
primal quail
raid has been on farm for months
the majority are up in portals, but certainly ive had the chance to stay down
at this point why not just ask
id imagine most guilds will let you if you still comfortably 1 night clear
spare cloud
Why go for logs when you can just reclear in 2,5 hours
fast nacelle
im officer in my guild i could do w/e i want
primal quail
we clear in 2-2.5 hours regardless
fast nacelle
we sell mythic i rather have 10m gold when bfa hits
primal quail
what does one person staying down change
we just change who stays down every week
lol
fast nacelle
not judging... its has just nothing to do with skill
primal quail
youre talking about assassin
fast nacelle
i could just run mantle bracer every week and do the tunnel rogue with 982 equipped until i get 12%+ pb
its fine.. not judging parses hunter
it just doesnt say anything
spare cloud
I could just have the best try possible on portal keeper and then get 1% pb 
primal quail
i dunno i view it differently i guess
fast nacelle
dude toph is not even online is he
spare cloud
๐
exotic glen
LOL
fast nacelle
with your fucking discord bullshit
spare cloud
manic vigil
fast nacelle
fucking monkey
exotic glen
rofl
fast nacelle
fucking toph..
manic vigil
I friggin LOVE it when tyra is around 
exotic glen
TOPH
fast nacelle
toph "managing" sellruns
exotic glen
warrior main or not?
manic vigil
"fucking monkey" I'm dying here
spare cloud
I have 13 mil on bank and I'll get them earlier or later
I can decide who gets a share
manic vigil
13 mil?!
spare cloud
manic vigil
holy fuck
spare cloud
Yes
fast nacelle
yes
last sunday
i took time for sellrun
he made me look for customers
then he said "sry we are full"
after i brought them in
spare cloud
You wanted to look for customers yourself
manic vigil
fast nacelle
sure..
manic vigil
nice ditch toph
spare cloud
Guess I'll keep the blackhand gold then
theres good gold on kazzak
and ragnaros
you can have
fast nacelle
โฟ kazzak โฟ
exotic glen
you can join my guild when you get kicked for scamming toph
spare cloud
"I actually want to go to sleep so let me stay out if possible"
spare cloud
"I can help searching for the first run then stay out"
"Just let me have the gold on blackhand"
manic vigil
manic vigil
that's legit
fast nacelle
stop selling my gold would be a good start
manic vigil
spare cloud
Your gold is right there you can take it ๐คท
Screenshot is in the discord
Oh wait
you dont have chars on other realms
unlucky
fast nacelle
send me blackhand gold pls
manic vigil
what does one do with money on other realms though?
spare cloud
there is a discord for exchanging gold
manic vigil
after how many years now?
makes sense yeah
nice place to spot people to hack as well I assume
spare cloud
Bot, yes
fast nacelle
dude.. i said i look for customers and you just send me gold in exchange ๐ก
manic vigil
lorentz is probably sleeping, as a functional member of european society should at this point, but I still feel the need to tell you on his behalf that this is no sin talk 
trail moat
Does Gorshalach's Legacy (Agg trinket) have any viability for assassin? For reference I'm 911 iLvl with an 890 Horn of Valor and a 910 Relinquished trink w/ Crit
void pecan
Does it have haste? If so, throw it away.
spare cloud
Sim it to be sure
void pecan
vapid moth
I donโt see summons until I open the app
spare cloud
Sup
vapid moth
Hi
spare cloud
how are you
spare cloud
rip
vapid moth
Yup
brave bolt
Hey guys, is Assassin a good spec to level with, or should I stick with outlaw till 110 and then possibly switch? I'm asking because an online guide was saying Outlaw was way better, but I wonder if the ''way'' is an exageration
supple hearth
@brave bolt up to you. Asassination is probably not as easy as the other two if you're not used to it but no reason why you can't use it if you prefer it
drifting cloud
yes
haughty beacon
Just started M Argus Prog tonight, is there any rogue cheats/tips for this?
warm parcel
Feint
prime void
stacking dogs is fun
warm parcel
It is.
Splitting ice hits both
civic palm
5.1% goooo
warm parcel
Melee above dp in aoe?
regal cape
Its dead
Im free
562 wipes
9 weeeks of extending
couldnt hit boss during final KB
solar willow
Dunno if i should say gratz or facepalm
solar willow
Or play ahoulders bracers and not care anyway
fervent beacon
Heroic
spare nebula
chill
just a funny pug
i dont actually care
rolled the rng lottery the wrong way, thats all
paid my dues on m aggy tonight w/ a 10% pb log
prime void
Parses ๐
atomic grotto
i see a lot of people playing boots bracers on argus mythic
atomic grotto
Also i see people envenoming on vanish even without shoulders
atomic grotto
just wondering why
zealous dew
kinda miss the dude
atomic grotto
where is he?
solid nova
Ded
zealous dew
laik de gheim
civic palm
I have no idea why they would ENV over RUP with NS but not shoulders.
It's not BFA, sounds like that guy/girl just doing whatever.
zealous dew
muscle memory maybe ?
civic palm
Yeah who knows.
Fat fingers.
w/e
It's not the mathematically correct thing to do.
zealous dew
doesn't matter as long as you proc pb
civic palm
Though I doubt the numbers are so different that you would ever notice.
zealous dew
you're a g0d to the RL eyes
civic palm
Considering the lack of mantle.
You see my GAME BREAKING 5.1%PB parse on Beta earlier?
OOOOOOOOHSHITBOI
atomic grotto
lul
zealous dew
nerf PB
atomic grotto
im just considering playing boots bracers on argus
zealous dew
i'm considering the choice of swimming costumes for the next 3 weeks
civic palm
People play bracers/boots because;
- Bracers are excellent on that fight due to the targets and execute range being very important there;
and...
- Boots simply allow for larger burst windows and assuming your raid damage allows for it, your timers might just line up very well with when you need them.
Shoulders just don't do that much when it's the kill you are looking for.
atomic grotto
yeap im thinking using boots cause its progression
civic palm
Shoulders are neato but the opener is meaningless and there's nothing that you need to blow that doesn't exist again in a few moments that the entire raid isn't already on.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
and it's not like Boots/Bracers are a bad combination or anything.
atomic grotto
i never said its bad
civic palm
Sure.
atomic grotto
i actually used on a couple of tries head with boots
to progress p1, p2
cause vanish was on cd due to early wipe
civic palm
Sure.
urban blaze
I felt boots and shoulders fit far better with timings, was switching between the four and settled with that.
civic palm
w/e works.
Like if you have five fucking warriors the execute phase probably isn't that large of a deal.
zealous dew
warriors doing no dmg till 20 then top dps
civic palm
=\ =\ =\
zealous dew
nice balance blizz
atomic grotto
We dont have warriors in our setup
solar willow
civic palm
Yeah that one.
rotund barn
Hey everyone, got a quick question on low parses for imonar and coven if anyone can answer
civic palm
Yeah use your CDs better.
Multi-dot on Coven if you can, make sure they are up to begin with.
rotund barn
Uptime with rupture is 98% for coven
Char is daili-spinebreaker
Avg is 89.5 or something
civic palm
and at the moment if you are not cheesing everything on the fucking planet good luck getting a strong parse.
rotund barn
But imonar and coven are on the lower side like 70s
civic palm
90% is fine so long you are near your simulated DPS.
Imonar is all CD management and raid DPS ruining your time on boss.
rotund barn
That's what I was thinking that maybe it's Cuz of the raid I don't have good parses but I have no idea
civic palm
There is only so much that you can do on something like Imonar.
lost horizon
civic palm
People taking too long across the bridge? That's a DPS loss.
rotund barn
In terms of rupture and garrote uptime + combo points wasted everything looks good
civic palm
Give us a log to stick a ๐ก in.
zealous dew
execute execute execute
rotund barn
Yes Merlin focusing on heroic parses cureently
I'm thinking it's for imonar, taking too long on the bridge and coven fights lasting way too long
civic palm
Kill time is a consideration as well, sure.
solar willow
U have 15 kills on imonar
rotund barn
Inonar I keep rupture and garrote on him during intermission but don't use cds
rotund barn
I usually get 2 vendettas of before he crosses both times
lost horizon
you have a lot of ruptures in TB duration as well
civic palm
That's usually fine so long he's getting 2-3, gotta make up for bad planning somehow.
rotund barn
Yes I keep rupture and garrote on him during intermission so I can use extra energy + combo points for kingsbane
lost horizon
like 7 ruptures in TB
civic palm
Sounds like over 50%
rotund barn
Yeah raid takes awhile to cross bridge
lost horizon
civic palm
aka every one COME ON
rotund barn
But whenever we kick him to start phase 2/3 I have near full energy
zealous dew
oh, log review time!
lost horizon
you have like 4 TBs where you only have one envenom in there
rotund barn
So more envenom during intermission?
civic palm
Why are you TBing during intermission?
rotund barn
I would think it would be a dps loss
civic palm
This is only a consideration of you not casting enough Envenoms during TB.
rotund barn
Oh
lost horizon
intermission boss takes 99% less dmg
rotund barn
I mean usually I'm the first across when doing bridge phase almost everytime
lost horizon
only put up bleeds
and have DP ticking
when TB is up on the boss, you need to be envenoming during TB
TB = nature dmg boost
rotund barn
Yeah exactly that's what I do, as soon as I get SS range I start
rotund barn
Yup yup doing that
civic palm
TB ~> ENV ~> KB even.
spare cloud
Henlo
civic palm
The amount of damage you can get from damage optimization during and around TB/KB windows is not to be taken lightly.
๐ @spare cloud
rotund barn
So your saying I should use at least 2 TB's when waiting for the rest of raid?
spare cloud
Dont ping me
civic palm
Hey the tagging worked, get fukt :3
atomic grotto
Why would u hit imonar when he casts?
spare cloud
Fuck me daddy
lost horizon
don't use TBs during cast
like i said, he takes VERY REDUCED DMG during the cast
don't use ANY cooldowns
civic palm
AA and getting bleeds up during the damage reduction is the only reason to be hitting him.
rotund barn
I mean I can see it being up by the time the raid actually crosses the bridge
lost horizon
just apply bleeds and have max CP/energy for when it's interrupted
spare cloud
If everyone takes 25 seconds to get there, might as well use it ๐คท
atomic grotto
i just gather cps and pool my energy back
rotund barn
Yeah 99% reduces so I only use bleeds
shrewd night
Wew lad
lost horizon
there's no point in using TB during intermission
don't use any CDs
just do better with the CDs during the actual fight
envenom more within TB duration
spare cloud
And if you dont lose a cast even when using it during intermission, then why not?
lost horizon
use TB BEFORE KB when they're both up
spare cloud
Literally no reason not to if you dont drop anything
shrewd night
????
civic palm
Because you cannot possibly know that it will take them that time to cross the bridge.
lost horizon
^
shrewd night
Toph
civic palm
Without prior knowledge.
shrewd night
Wat
civic palm
Back to sleep Toph, wtf.
spare cloud
What what
If you still get 2 full casts on boss without dmg reduction it literally doesnt change anything
lost horizon
you shouldn't be waiting 25sec for the rest of the raid to cross bridge anyway.. and if you are.... that extra TB at 99% reduced dmg sure aint gonna salvage it
solid nova
Your first bridge cross was nearly 40 seconds lmao
lost horizon
better to just not use that shit and not potentially lose it
solid nova
What are you guys doing
shrewd night
Lmao
civic palm
Achievements :3
lost horizon
yeah you need a better group for bridge cross if you want to parse WELL on the fight
rotund barn
Yeah I know pretty much everything in terms of advanced knowledge of fights, I'm just wondering why those are low compared to the rest of my log kills
lost horizon
but you can do better outside of the obnoxious bridge crossing
civic palm
Bad raid doing bad things, bad CD management.
solid nova
1/4 of the boss fight is your raid crossing the bridge
spare cloud
Thats a harsh claim
rotund barn
Like all my other kills are 90+ but these 2 are 7ps
civic palm
Almost a minute to cross the bridge...
spare cloud
Yeah youre not gonna have fun with that
lost horizon
nearly 7min in the log i'm looking at
rotund barn
Naw it's more like a full minute to cross
civic palm
Your logs are going to annoy you at that point.
rotund barn
I use vendetta 5 secs before he starts crossing and it's back up when we kick him lol
spare cloud
But you can use a tb on buffed boss if youre there by 15 seconds ๐คท
civic palm
Not if people are bad at walking =\
safe matrix
Heroic or mythic imonar
solid nova
HC
safe matrix
Oof
solid nova
Might as well be rp walking across the bridge tbh
rotund barn
Heroic logs liavre
spare cloud
Yeah
solid nova
Some people are just standing on one side