I was able to notice the name change right away lol
#assassination
spare cloud
Ass to mouth
novel island
keen inlet
Whatstdt am I doth been being have accusededeths of
sharp viper
ah ye very olde english chap sir joseph
keen inlet
verily
spare cloud
hellon't
lone junco
you got some of that 
exotic glen
watching selithan stream just reinforces the idea that i should blame my bad dps on poison bombs
hes getting plenty
sharp viper
poison bomb proc rate is directly proportional to your skill
exotic glen
idk just feels bad spamming an aoe dot as a finisher
idk the initial hit to dot ratio but the concept still works
sharp viper
12 seconds isnt a long time
lone junco
As long as the hit/target approaches env hit, it's fine. Case one is maintain env then Ct. case 2 is screw the env+DP applications, all we need it CT.
But in the 5man context, the tiny trash mark spam is what made outlaw fun. I'll enjoy it with CT. As long as they don't remove the hit and buff the tick.
devout temple
so i havn't played beta in a month which spec has the best aoe right now
dire spoke
fire
sand canyon
they miswrited will be changed dont worry
marble hemlock
^^
sand canyon
fuckn trihard
marble hemlock
grats on teh deal tho
marble hemlock
always
sand canyon
I just get bored after 2 seaons need new multicalss challange ^^
marble hemlock
sub is kinda shit right now anyway
dire spoke
marble hemlock
๐ฎ
patent topaz
rogue is big in every expansion m8
normal plover
a big.... turd!
strange python
Notter has one in the pinned messages.
civic palm
Probably.
spare cloud
I have one.
civic palm
๐ CP ๐ AS ๐ NUMBERS ๐
dire spoke
N ๐๐ป O
plain thistle
Version 7: Changed combo point from number to texture
civic palm
๐ Y ๐ E ๐ S ๐
plain thistle
๐
civic palm
Version 8: Changed CP from textures to a bar?
viscid helm
yikes
plain thistle
haha, not worth changing it now, but it only works with vigor
๐ฆ
and sub is still using numbers
viscid helm
nice wa
civic palm
hahaaaaaa
viscid helm
only works with vigor
dire spoke
Be a pro like Xaeth and play without addons you baddies
plain thistle
๐
civic palm
Yeah but he literally claims he is bad.
shut leaf
thanks guys ๐
civic palm
๐
spare cloud
Thats why Jhonwei will be shadowblade soon
summer moon
civic palm
๐
prime void
gotchu
TISUMI
WHAT YOU SIMMING NOW A DAYS
@gusty kestrel
dank
I'm behind for sureeee
civic palm
Always
eager cobalt
Whew knew, pure classes aren't as popular as hybrids
civic palm
We've basically always been bottom 5, since Vanilla.
vapid moth
The no addon life ainโt a bad life. Yโall should at least try it some day. Something to learn from it
civic palm
Yeah and we should also try clicking our buttons.
vapid moth
Yes definitely
civic palm
Sure there is something to learn there as well.
marble hemlock
id always post that sim tisumi
vapid moth
I will click the buttons some day
dark crag
is that sim with other pantheon trinkets?
fiery nest
Yea I always sim with 0 even tho we have 1
civic palm
Could do like 5, to get some of the damage, but then again people still sim against Patchwerk.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dark crag
but most fights are "patchwerkish"
fiery nest
There's nothing wrong with simming patchwork lol
civic palm
This late into the expansion, sure, but it's been a thing forever, and it makes no sense.
Unless it's a specific type of fight that there's a sim setting for, it's probably fine.
Though should overshoot your potential damage by a bit, but Poison Bomb exists sooo, fucking whatever.
fiery nest
100k iterations should get it pretty close
civic palm
Yeah but not everyone runs that many, and the sim almost never gets there anyway.
dark crag
yeah in sims it may don't play a huge role, but when you look at your kill and see 3.5% you just want to cry
eager cobalt
My rogue only gets trash legendaries
fiery nest
People's mistakes doesn't make the process invalid
civic palm
Clicking, no clacking.
dire spoke
blizzard listened to my community post and added the gcd to make clicking more viable
so I'm happy
vapid moth
Now for them to listen to my community post and ban all addons
To the dark ages we go fuckers
supple hearth
Thotbot dayz
civic palm
Addons existed back then though > _>
Even dumb fixes like Instant Quest Text.
and Decursive... just click the people you lazy shits.
austere flame
Why are sin rogue good for mythic argus
hazy iron
Several reasons - good execute dmg, no dfa shenannugans with rage debuffs, shorter cloal cooldown
Cloak
safe matrix
hazy iron
Youre not punished anywhere near as badly for being targetted by mechanics
austere flame
Okay thank you
primal tangle
So my guild finally killed coven. How likely is it that we down argus?
drifting cloud
maybe in prepatch
primal tangle
something sin related goes here
drifting cloud
how many hours do you raid
drifting cloud
how many wipes did you have on coven
but yeah if you extend
prolly kill it in prepatch
since it should be easier
drifting cloud
if you dont extend you have 0% chance I think
unless its gonna be a mega joke in prepatch
plain thistle
just to give you a idea, @primal tangle my guild killed argus 2 months ago, with 500 wipes ish, we had 16 on coven ๐
drifting cloud
same here, 18 wipes coven, 380~ argus
solemn rapids
what ass ass abilities are still on gcd in bfa?
civic palm
All of the stabby ones.
strange python
"still on gcd"? Nothing was taken off the gcd
civic palm
Correcto.
strange python
You get to discover that Vendetta has an animaton
civic palm
Yep.
and some red stuff.
The last thing that was taken off of the GCD were racials.
and not all of them IIRC.
steep obsidian
you prolly wont see the vendetta anim if you have a 2 min racial
civic palm
Slow due to poor haste and crit levels.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Melee with huge CDs crush atm.
toxic bay
civic palm
With enough Crit CT should be able to compete with Arms.
toxic bay
u think so?
civic palm
24k pulls
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Bladestorm only lasts so long, CT keeps going, needs high target numbers though.
Though IIRC Ravager is the better choice but I am noooot entirely sure about that.
slow mortar
it doesn't say it, but is/would there anything about CT and venomous wounds interaction?
rupture gives energy, but CT gives damage. there's probably a number of targets where you would forgo rupture, maybe? (but keeping up garrote)
warm parcel
Perhaps
fleet whale
It would be nice if they reduced the energy cost of garrote
slow mortar
i read your name as Totally not Ewok
warm parcel
I can be an ewok too
slow mortar
a good chuckle i had
@fleet whale lowering the cd (i think) would keep the energy cost where it is
viscid helm
:thinkw:
steep obsidian
crimson tempest most definitely does not restore energy through vv
it would probably be stupid strong if it did
slow mortar
so would you rupture during aoe, or just ct?
steep obsidian
and without venemous rush its still kinda shit
quick ice
Presumably once they fix CT so it's not worth it to spam you'll be casting ruptures in between anyway
steep obsidian
well you cant even spam it if you have shit tier gear
can barely get enough cp to keep it up before it drops
civic palm
Yeah atm I do ~12k sustained on ~3 targets, but that's with CT spamming, might be similar once the on-hit damage is removed and I am actively maintaining ruptures and garrotes though.
More like 15k -
slow mortar
what crit% do you have?
civic palm
23%
2 items missing crit
helm, shoulder, chest will never have crit again as well
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
quick ice
Guess that's one way to reduce secondary stats
civic palm
Just roll a warlock -
quick ice
Demo?
elfin fossil
Yeah, that'll get nerfed
cedar thistle
civic palm
Yeah Implosion has been an issue for a while now, can't not be looked at.
The problem being it's still top damage in purely single target fights -
viscid helm
Its broken
civic palm
Not by much, but yeah.
steep obsidian
arcane mage is kinda broken too
civic palm
Have not run into any O _O
Locks and warriors all over the place.
On my part it's without any trait bonuses as well.
Not that +MUT dmg is a huge deal.
steep obsidian
i dont even have any working azurite traits on rogue
i hope they actually fix shit or allow pre mades
steep obsidian
mythic gear doesn;t even show up the traits
civic palm
Yeah I am thinking it's the same as the deal with raid AA gear.
Not turned on.
Chances are there might be some unique stuff on the Mythic AA gear.
๐ BED ๐ TIME ๐
quick ice
How does EP feel at such low crit?
viscid helm
Bad
past ridge
the occasional free CP from Blindeside feels better atm
hidden sapphire
Greetings. Recently returned to the game and picked up sin again (took a break since early ToS). I've read the Ravenholdt guide and stumbled upon toxic blade. The guide recommends using it on CD and even the opener rotation has it used right away before kingsbane. Now form what I remember, some months ago, I've read you hold on to TB until the last 9 sec of your Kingsbane and then try to keep toxic surge (10 poison dmg debuff from finishers) active throughout, maximizing KB dmg. So we not do that anymore? If so, why has that changed, higher values of mastery available to us?
hidden sapphire
So basically use on CD then?
warm parcel
Thats how it is yes
hidden sapphire
Thank you very much :)
stark heart
Bs has plenty issues. One being not working on ae
think it's fine for it not working on AoE, it's like obvious ST talent. If you value Assa as ST damage dealer and/or execute( which is laughable now I know but still ) then why not pick it
warm parcel
Well regarding being picked for aoe purpose
Ep is nice as it works with ct
And mp obviously is nice for aoe aswell. Perhaps worse after x enemies
warm parcel
I dont 
quick ice
^ just know its gonna be tuned so spamming isn't better.
viscid helm
Sure buddy
stark heart
don't think CT is supposed to be spammed
it has short enough duration so you would use it frequently
quick ice
those DP hits count for a tiny bit I guess...
onyx orchid
How many members is offline its 11k online right now and iยดve been scrolling for a while but im never coming to the bottom
quick ice
just under 40k
quick ice
@onyx orchid
lyric veldt
is tb at 4cp ok or not suggested?
shrewd night
TB at 3 cp is better
plain thistle
@lyric veldt its totally ok, yes you can overcap 1cp (the same way you can overcap mutilating at 2-3 CPs), but its better because it gives you 1 more envenom during the TB window
lyric veldt
also is it ok to clip one tick of rupture if kb is coming off cd and i am close to energy cap?
plain thistle
as "clipping" you mean refreshing it outside pandemic window?
lyric veldt
yeah
plain thistle
totally fine, and refreshing rupture with 3 CP during KB is totally ok too
if thats what it take to make sure you have more envenom uptime during KB
shrewd night
ded chanz
strange python
one rogue uses talent exanguinate if yes is it possible to explain to me the satitisic ect? I am in control of the poisons but for the end of Legion I will like test of other combination of talents. can anyone help me? ๐ ๐ฉ
viscid helm
Dont bother
shrewd night
Unless you have the gear for exsang, its not point even trying
strange python
hahaha okay thx ๐ most crit , litlle mastery and fast versality ?
i have playing exsang begin legion , i want try it again ^^
sharp viper
not the same now as it was at the start of legion but still fun to play, once i get a malch/mass relic i will try it as well
shrewd night
Dont have the required gear - Shit
Have the required gear - Feasable.
If you want to try it, knock yourself out.
sharp viper
biggest issue is getting suitable high ilvl t20 pieces (ideally gloves and shoulders)
atomic grotto
i wish i had high tf t20
sharp viper
i simmed bleedy spec and high ilvl off pieces were outsimming 2x930 t20 but the qol with the old 2 set is just insane
good thing they are changing the garrote baseline cd on beta
tulip grotto
you guys use mantle+bracers on mythic argus?
atomic grotto
im still progressing it and i use bracers although we still havent get passed 30%
atomic grotto
i like mantle
tulip grotto
Same
hidden sapphire
How does BFA sin feel so far gameplay wise?
dire spoke
like lvl20
shrewd night
@viscid helm copy paste your shit
hidden sapphire
With lvl20 I guess you mean energy starved and super slow?
hidden sapphire
Heh, sounds like early legion arms warrior. #methodical
solid nova
If you like pressing buttons once nearly every 2 seconds, you'll love it
hidden sapphire
I rerolled from arms, so I guess I'm gonna love it x)
shrewd night
Rerolling before tuning pass
This floor aint built to hold the weight of your balls
atomic grotto
im gonna stay rogue if he sucks dick
then im gonna complain at mmo-champion
with the rest of the plebs
atomic grotto
indeed
"i logged on the day of the release and i couldnt play due to unstable blizz servers, u have to pay me back with 1 free month of wow"
#feelsplebman
solid nova
#wepaywesay
strange python
Doesn't really matter if rogue isn't doing great damage, their kit is broken enough to bring anyway
shrewd night
Not really all that good now that we can soak shit once every 6 minutes
atomic grotto
although i expected a nerf to clos and feint
i still want to spam feint ๐ข
it will take some time for me to get used to not spamming it
probably a couple of times dieing cause i wasted it for no reason
shrewd night
FUN DETECTED
solid nova
Spamming feint in a raid fight pls no
shrewd night
Why wouldnt you waste all that energy, Richard
solid nova
They should have put the cd long enough to come off when the effect ends
Spamming feint when it has duration left
My heart
Please stop
๐
shrewd night
Oh, I havent done coven since uuuuuuh
solid nova
Energy waste 
shrewd night
Two guilds ago
atomic grotto
we need to spam it when we run around at krasus landing
shrewd night
Garothi > Aggramar > Argus, week done. One day farm at its best.
stfu tisumi
wtf is that shit
Bet you have good tanks doing the stack
solid nova
Alphasumi
sharp viper
leeching poison will no longer override your crippling poison on beta
boots bracers with EP huh
ye ik
hah foking on coven that would require tanks to position bosses properly
shrewd night
At some point I will get all the bb relics I need to cleave my ass off with mutilate
sharp viper
ring is inferior to bracers on coven anyways if you can multidot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FmvwM1yVHgGfXK8A#fight=56&type=damage-done way less fans for me
mutilate is just more reliable cp generator with my crit change than fok on 2 targets
your kill was significantly faster tho
that was my main raid ๐ฆ
we don't have an alt raid
shrewd night
Be on interrupt duty so you automaticly ignore everything while fel boss is up
ez life
sharp viper
we are ignoring the last lightning +old men walking adds
viscid helm
sharp viper
oh right amanthuls are up during the kill, it was slow af
sharp viper
if you have a mmo mouse you can play entirely one handed regardless of dps spec
prisma gull
Orbweaver tho
sharp viper
roccat nyth โค
viscid helm
I can play outlaw with my foot pedals tho
hidden sapphire
@shrewd night im thinking of rerolling from warrior to rogue since bfa looks to be more open world pvp focused and dps warrior world pvp is a train wreck. Who cares about numbers in beta anyway?
solid nova
marble hemlock
i know thats now necessarily what you meant, but caring about the numbers in beta is important in order to let blizzard know that any given class/spec feels bad to play or just does absolutely no damage
you would assume blizzard knows that themselves, but they dont, and you have to hit them over the head with a skyscraper to get the message nowadays
so complaining about numbers in beta serves a purpose
also, warriors drool, rogues rule
shrewd night
doesnt care about numbers in beta
still already set in stone what to reroll
๐ถ One of these things are not like the other ๐ถ
hidden sapphire
Numbers matter to some point, but not to the point of "this damage is insane ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ฏ ๐ฏ" YouTube videos for beta right now. Sick of warrior dps since fury is always dog shit early on, arms is all over the place. At least rogue almost always had one spec that performs decent. And I ain't doing bleeding edge mythic progress, so a spec plays good I couldn't care less about fotm.
viscid helm
I mean who cares about beta numbers/feedback
When tuning happens after heroic week
Based on live data
Also lol
hidden sapphire
Just look at outlaw early legion, look at outlaw now. Nothing set in stone spec wise but rogue seems like a safer bet than warrior to me, to perform atleast somewhat decent.
shrewd night
with the rogue toolkit having been dumpstered with large cds Im not even too sure if we will be that much better for anything really
But uh, guess we will see
hidden sapphire
Go back some months in time and play focused rage arms, best dps spec during that time and tell me you don't want to kill yourself
solid nova
I didnt mind focus rage ๐คท
shrewd night
If you didnt want to kill yourself the carpal tunnel would have
solid nova
shrewd night
hidden sapphire
I don't have a beta key, since most group buffs are coming back, does rogue bring a buff as well? Like old honor among thieves or whatever the raid buff for rogue was at one point
shrewd night
We did give ArP in a earlier build, but thats removed now no?
viscid helm
Rogue gives nothing
sharp viper
dh gives 5% more magic dmg to the entire raid while yeah rogues can pick locks!
hidden sapphire
Hm. What is there right now, intellect, battle shout, stamina? I figured DK's, hunters and shit would get their respective raid buffs back as well?
sharp viper
debuffs like the magic dmg amplification and the armor penetration on monks are technically not buffs but should be sought after in raids
hidden sapphire
Yeah I kinda meant those included, buffs for raid or beneficial debuffs
Haven't read anything concrete, I just saw int, battle shout and stuff returning so I figured they probably give every spec their buffs/debuffs back. Especially since they are so eager to homogenize roles and specs again
hidden sapphire
Yeah, I'm assuming they act logical. Mistake
Glad the finally got rid of loot master though, best bfa change so far
/s
royal lantern
evil gm's always stole my loot and gave it their rl friends!/s
solid nova
Why give the loot to your friends when you can keep it for yourself
I know its an upgrade for you Tyrone, but 50g is 50g fam sorry
hidden sapphire
Really looking forward to see that coveted Trinket/weapon drop titanforged for my buddy but he doesn't need but also can't trade it. Gearing and progress is gonna be fun
turbid harbor
Tyrone being stolen from ๐ค
hidden sapphire
Mfw casual plebs in lfr don't even loot the bosses anymore and get their stuff through mail because they don't want to deal with whispers/begging if they get something. If they want to interact with humans they would play a mmo
solid nova
Doing LFR 
sharp viper
gotta get your tmog somewhere
hidden sapphire
Speaking of tmog, what about old dungeons/raids. If we have PL only, does that work differently there? Or do we kill bosses and might not even get an item ๐ค
shrewd night
'oh shit, whadya know, no loot from this boss either, has to be a bug when 20 people dont get loot'
solid nova
@hidden sapphire https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20761866700
hidden sapphire
Oh, that sounds reasonable, contrary to any decision concerning loot they made for bfa so far. Thanks mate
solid nova
I gotchu
hidden sapphire
Nother question. Is kingsbane completely gone or does it return as a talent? Kinda grew fond of it
quick ice
Gone gone
exotic glen
is ded
hidden sapphire
F
echo estuary
4 buttons, longer gcd, crank up the RNG. Sounds good!
royal lantern
assassination gameplay is now keeping garrote up and spam rupture
solid nova
Each consecutive rupture adds onto the duration of the previous, stacks indefinitely
15apm patch 8.5.6
royal lantern
deadly poison is a 2,5% proc for each combo point spend
sharp viper
don't give them ideas
exotic glen
removing garrote as well, it was too difficult keeping up 2 dots at the same time
royal lantern
rupture now awards combo points, mulitate removed?
exotic glen
wish i had discord nitro so i could reach with monkagiga
prisma gull
Can't we just go with auto attacks? One 30s CD that increases attack speed by 50%, 30sec duration
exotic glen
because that would be insane
solid nova
Details and other damage meters are now coded to always rename your highest damage done to poison bomb so you can feel better about it
shrewd night
Bruh
make rupture into unstable affliction
All applications are unique
Then remove envenom
ayyyy
solid nova
I'VE GOT 5 RUPTURES UP IM POPPIN OFF
royal lantern
i srsly hope that poison bomb is a crap talent in bfa and i never need too pick it.....
exotic glen
well it is currently so
royal lantern
idc if i need too cast CS on st then, fk that rng bullshit
exotic glen
idk, you'd need to overwrite your rupture since envenom is gone
making exsanguinate bad
shrewd night
???
exotic glen
OR you can just spam mutilate
shrewd night
Are you high brother
exotic glen
?
shrewd night
Read up to the UA thing
exotic glen
this shit is getting out of hand
prisma gull
I wish I was high :(
sharp viper
i wish i didnt have to work
shrewd night
Got to follow the memes and times
exotic glen
think we need to shut down this conversation, or else blizz will get good ideas
shrewd night
Already have ion on speed dial
He has been made aware
Will be changed in next patch
๐
solid nova
Rupture now lasts 1 minute on a 1 minute CD. Refreshes on death
exotic glen
combat resses are split into 3 per class
so you get 3 ruptures entire fight, use them well
solid nova
Mutilate now automatically turns into FoK when optimal situations occur.
Editors note: We feel everyone has too many keybinds
shrewd night
Mutilate changed into: Fan of daggers - Throws a handful of daggers around yourself hitting for x damage. If there are only two targets nearby, damage is increased by y damage.
We on a roll today bois
exotic glen
targets reduced to 1 target, we felt like sin rogues were too good on 2 targets
solid nova
Raid bosses limited to 2 per tier
Trash increased by 1000%
shrewd night
Cant work for blizzard tho, they would never allow me a Koffing gif as forum avatar
exotic glen
we heard how much you like ahn'qiraj
viscid helm
U all dum
exotic glen
so here we have the new raid ahn'quraj
solid nova
Just because we're not following foot pedal meta
exotic glen
shrewd night
prisma gull
Sauna bis dev
vapid moth
Ugh I need a new phone
sharp viper
your current avatar is no gif either
shrewd night
#off-topic over there ----->. We doing important dev talk here.
vapid moth
Lmao
shrewd night
Naya aint here to gifify my koffing, sorry
vapid moth
How can I possibly talk to yโall about assassination if I donโt have a working phone
shrewd night
Naya left when saber came back
sharp viper
be a strong independent pokemon and gifify yourself!
shrewd night
But it wont be angery no more if I do that
sharp viper
wait what our most humble friend is back?
sharp viper
i lately barely have the time to follow this discord
shrewd night
lord knows, but he aint here anymore
sharp viper
woaw who would have thought that would ever happen, such a friendly fellow
jovial kite
i wanna know aswell
shrewd night
Probably continued to post long indepth answers to q&a channel
5 hours after the answer was given
sharp viper
you mean basic questions?
exotic glen
maybe he said the dreaded a-word
sharp viper
viscid helm
Man i still dont have access to that channel
jovial kite
gold titanium samarium
sharp viper
i am certain you get banned for saying a****rity
viscid helm
jovial kite
assrity 
sharp viper
thanks discord format for making the stars cursive
shrewd night
hunter2
royal lantern
nah, bfa mm hunter is far worse then rogue
trueshot is a 1,5%dps increase on a 3min cd right now!
exotic glen
feel like they are gonna introduce some more cdr like cof in bfa
there are too many long cd, short duration cooldowns currently
even shortened duration on shadow blades!
royal lantern
well, they gave shadowblades a dmg buff sooo...thats fair i gues?
steep obsidian
they were gonna have cdr as a stat in wod then they were like nahhhh too strong
exotic glen
i know tryan, but still hoping for some cdr effects
steep obsidian
then they make a trinket in nighthold with op cdr and wonder why its bis for the rest of expac
steep obsidian
i havent actually seen any interesting azurite traits yet
there is one taht is like the maidens trinket where you pick up a ball to get stats
thats about as exciting as ive seen
the rest are just passive damage things
or just self heals etc
exotic glen
idk wasnt the same thing said about artifacts
steep obsidian
no
royal lantern
traits like finality from sub changed the gameplay
steep obsidian
there were some artifact traits that peopel pooh poohed but most of them ended up being really useful
royal lantern
(why the fuck is that not a baseline passive?)
spare cloud
Just play different speccs and you got your playstyle changes
steep obsidian
things like evasion on step ended up being op and interesting and rewarded good play but most people laughed at it when they looked at it at first
echo estuary
Just play runescape, works for TOPH
lucid frigate
what trinkers/leggos are good for m+?
spare cloud
Rewarding playstyle
echo estuary
Str lvl TOPH?
spare cloud
34
echo estuary
Meh need to lift more
spare cloud
Getting combat stats up first and then be unable to kill any rewarding mobs because slayer is missing 
echo estuary
Just slay plebs instead, win-win
steep obsidian
@lucid frigate you want bracers shoulders and boots for dungeons, you can swap between all 3 when you need to same bis legos for raids
spare cloud
Why would i make a pk account as my first account
steep obsidian
use get a stat stick and the argus trinket /shrug
spare cloud
I dont know the game well enough
steep obsidian
if you want to build for burst aoe play sub
prisma gull
Ok less confused now
echo estuary
Riding the crazy train ozzy
spare cloud
Now thats a song i havent heard in a long time
Should probably listen to it again
Drop some rammstein in as well
echo estuary
Put it on speaker
quick ice
are we going to have the daily weather update again now?
prisma gull
You're One of those..?
spare cloud
24 degrees munich germany
echo estuary
Daily weather check sounds good, what's the status in zimbabwe
spare cloud
43 degrees
echo estuary
They're having winter i believe
quick ice
its legitimately also 22 degrees in harare according to google
spare cloud
Yeah thats winter temperature there
echo estuary
What about salomon isles?
spare cloud
Idk where that is
quick ice
middle of the pacific
sharp viper
23ยฐC and cloudy here
twin meadow
whats the personal fish feast called again?
exotic glen
@spare cloud lets go
next zenith
Hey guys ! Little question ! Is 3 vendetta trait on relics are good or 2 are enough ? I wa wondering
steep obsidian
you want 3 but if you want to see if a relic is an upgrade before you put it in simming is the way to check
next zenith
Okok, ty. I always sim the relics but two days ago I had an upgrade of 2 ilvl with envenom trait vs a vendetta trait and on a 5min sim my dps upgraded
shrewd night
If youre using shoulder 2 is useless
steep obsidian
ilvl means almost nothing
for sin right now
well not nothing but traits are a lot more important
shrewd night
Reported to @gaunt moat
solid nova
Thats more like it
shrewd night
Thats already happening
echo estuary
runescape takeover confirmed
shrewd night
Yes. Lets go back to 16 bit graphics, because the world was a better place back then
solid nova
Because its all down to graphics
shrewd night
Yes
solid nova
No
echo estuary
graphics didnt matter when the games were fun
shrewd night
Thats like saying 16bit porn and 4k porn is the same.
solid nova
So pacman, crash bandicoot and all that is shit now because Flappy Bird has better graphics?
shrewd night
Yes
solid nova
Away with ya man
shrewd night
Besides, crash bandicoot got some HD love, so that point goes away
solid nova
Did you hear about the new london eye version thingy being put up in newcastle?
echo estuary
eye candy graphics is like CGI in movies --a distraction and a mask for a weak narrative
solid nova
You know they go like "Way ayy man" or whatever it is
They're calling it the "Way Eye" havent found the spelling for it yet
Cringe
shrewd night
Wae aye
solid nova
Thats the one
Still, cringe
Also, pacman. Released in 80s, $2.5bil rev by the 90s through quarters alone = shit
No
shrewd night
Lets hope the view from that eye is 16 bit so they cant see all the crackwhores and wannabe thirteenyear old rappers running around
shrewd night
'Son, look at this giant box thing that is twenty times your iphone. You want to play this game, or flappy bird'
Lemme know how that works
solid nova
Because new gen automatically means better than old?
shrewd night
dusty finch
Sup guys, which spec are ya using for BfA dungeons?
dusty finch
After the outlaw nerf I don't really know what to use
solid nova
"Adrian Gee
3 years ago
'Girls can play this. Why can't it be called GAMEBOYGIRL?'
Haha, no. That does not sound right.๏ปฟ๏ปฟ"
Lmao
sharp viper
gamegirl?
spare cloud
@exotic glen im home from work soon then ill watch
stark heart
@exotic glen struming? 
exotic glen
yee
spare cloud
old sphinx
๐
chrome quartz
Seems like legendary shoulders and legs is best for pvp but what is best two to use for pve?
Also I need a new head piece do I can wear those two in pvp together so which headpiece would you recommend I grind for
supple hearth
@zealous dew he's asking for pve tho.
solid nova
Sim all your legendary combinations
hoary copper
Pretty sure leggo effects dont work in pvp? In PVE it depends on your stats, a lot of our leggos are close
supple hearth
@hoary copper correct.
@solid nova also correct.
chrome quartz
Oh yeah I am coming back from a 3 year break I keep forgetting that pvp is just about ilvl ๐ฆ
hoary copper
I havent done consistent pvp since like TBC
supple hearth
Also in wpvp you want to be as offensive as possible since as a rogue if you're geared you will kill within a single stun. Defensive legendaries only mean you won't die immediately but if you can't get a quick kill you probably won't win.
chrome quartz
Yeah I main rogue and rdruid in s6 so thatโs my last real pvp days so I am learning and catching up but def loving assassinatin and itโs weird seeing combat โoutlawโ a pvp spec lol
solid nova
Take shoulders, open in wpvp, win
supple hearth
Combat was good in PvP before legion too.
solid nova
Rinse repeat
If first option fails vanish and repeat again
If that option fails, see spirit ress
chrome quartz
Yeah I still remember how to play rogue and have learned openers and trinket blind strath reset
Never played a monk or dh so learning them and how to counter their moves
solid nova
Each to their own fam, wow for pvp just doesnt do it for me
chrome quartz
Why not
hoary copper
if you fail, vanish and run away
dire spoke
but pvp will be part of pve 
spare cloud
Thats not how it works by definition
manic vigil
hoary copper
idk why I read paid as laid
wise frigate
Probably gets that too.
hoary copper
Its the accent
spare cloud
who are you
prime rapids
your worst nightmare
spare cloud
disgusting
echo estuary
he is the one who knocks
old sphinx
hoary copper
It's yellow, so nightmare sounds about right
solid nova
๐ STAY ๐ HYDRATED ๐
hoary copper
๐ Rubber ๐ Sheets ๐
zealous dew
ded gheim
solid nova
ded schpec
vapid moth
Have any of you used dfa as sin in wpvp?
solid nova
wpvp
prime rapids
sin in wpvp ๐ค
vapid moth
Sub donโt survive if the fight has more that one opponent
strange python
Hey i just switched from blood elf to orc. when dpsing do i save vendetta to use with blood fury every 2 mins?
solid nova
Surviving fights
In wpvp
Why are they still alive outside of your mantle window
Probs your dfa choice
strange python
ok ty
steep obsidian
dfa is pvp talent in bfa
but the whole 100 talent row blows for sin anyway in bfa anyway :\
viscid helm
stark heart
Crimson tempest is nice
stark heart
I see nothing wrong with it apart from tuning
steep obsidian
vr?
stark heart
Which is debatable as well. No ct
steep obsidian
i mean i guess if the intent is an aoe and a st spec i guess
stark heart
Fix vr by adding blindside to it?
steep obsidian
and maybe fok?
warm parcel
would help vr being bad
stark heart
Whole row is st oriented
steep obsidian
its a 100 row it should be worth something? or do other specs work that way
stark heart
Vr is 90 row
steep obsidian
other classes i mean
stark heart
steep obsidian
k
steep obsidian
see flowi hates game and doesnt even play and he remmber better then me
yeah sorry
stark heart
But that is interesting idea tbh. We have AoE rows that boil down to obvious choice on st. Why can't we have st row that boils down to obvious choice on AoE?
๐ค
viscid helm
spare cloud
echo estuary
isnt Ion a handsome bloke
hoary copper
dire spoke
๐ค is balance so bad?
hoary copper
Before the announced changes it apparently was
hoary copper
Ion is a boomkin in disguise
strange python
spoilers
steep obsidian
ion play shaman tho
steep obsidian
i think he plays resto almost eclusively
dire spoke
I think he plays insert class I'm angry about because it's poo
hoary copper
He plays sin?!
manic vigil
Wow zempai, your mom so gay
dire spoke
your iq gay
manic vigil
strange python
insert class was better in mop
empty hound
I canโt decide weather to play outlaw or Assassination in BFA, Iโm more of a high burst high sustain single target dps. Any suggestions?
dire spoke
wait until release
stark heart
Wait for tuning
manic vigil
No you're not @hoary copper
hoary copper
Numbers havent been tuned
stark heart
Which means wait for tuning after heroic raid week
strange python
high burst high sustain is assassination... but in legion
manic vigil
Just a hipster
hoary copper
You got me, I love daa....uh....what do you guys like? boobs?
stark heart
Move that shit to #off-topic
manic vigil
stark heart
empty hound
Do u think Assassination will pull more single target just like the last 2 or 3 expansions in a raid environment?
Out of the rogue specs that is
hoary copper
If we moved to off-topic than Sin chat would be dead
No idea. Again, numbers arent tuned
strange python
and early in the expansion it will be easy to switch specs anyway
I'm not sure, right now sin needs some work with talents but I think it is okay
stark heart
This chat dead is better than memes imo
And off topic
Again, tuning will decide that. None can predict
dire spoke
@empty hound ask again in 3 month
stark heart
Your best bet is to prepare all specs
empty hound
What do u mean by prepare?
dire spoke
get gear with correct stats
strange python
I started playing halfway through legion - would they roll out all these class changes in the pre-patch?
turbid harbor
Practice pressing 2 buttons so you can play outlaw if itโs good
strange python
or is the pre-patch more event orientied
hoary copper
Some changes prob between prepatch and release and more tuning after first raid
dire spoke
you will have new talents while prepatch
hoary copper
they'll patch after prepatch if things break, which they seem to do
strange python
if they tune slice and dice to be viable from day 1 then I'll definitely give outlaw a try
empty hound
Currently I sub main and itโs decent but looking at what they are putting out, not a fan.
Slice and dice is the same as legion just without alacrity right?
dire spoke
3 if proc
turbid harbor
Thatโs too complicated
dire spoke
hoary copper
So they're frost dk?
stark heart
Slice and dice is the same as legion just without alacrity right?
I don't understand this question tbh
hoary copper
"Bop it!" "Twist it" "pull it" pretty much same thing
dire spoke
this is sfw channel, stop the sexual chatter Bruen
hoary copper
dhedspec
vagrant patio
Anywhere in particular i can ask about rotation?
charred harbor
is there a spreadsheet where we can compare relics for rogue or just herodamage?
floral loom
why would you want a spreadsheet if you have herodamage?
charred harbor
because im nitpicky and i compare all my relics on my tanks so im kinda used to that >.>
dire spoke
since you want to do damage, you simulate them
fervent beacon
fucking bot
dire spoke
and don't just read about what's kinky
charred harbor
good ol simc, lets see if i remember how to use this
dire spoke
@charred harbor raidbots.com - wowhead just released a guide for that
welcome to 2k18
๐ช๐ป
vagrant patio
Hmmm, cant find any info on surge of toxins in the guide. How much uptime should you aim for or are people getting on a Varimathras style fight?
dire spoke
mythic?
dire spoke
you aim for 100 ๐คท๐ป
strange python
you dont worry about surge of toxins except when kingsbane is active
vagrant patio
Its the only thing i've found different between myself and a lower geared rogue who did just as much damage as i did. So considering changing my playstyle to focus on surge
ok
strange python
i doubt that's the only thing
surge of toxins hasn't been a big deal since they got rid of agonizing poison
strange python
go ahead i can take a look
vagrant patio
Lower geared rogue - reireireirei https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/37XzbV9qwMyJr8hn#fight=7&type=summary&source=1
Me - Rawshank - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/37XzbV9qwMyJr8hn#fight=7&type=summary&source=41
dire spoke
8min aggr hc 
hoary copper
helm bracers vs helm boots
strange python
he casted every ability more times than you did
dire spoke
aggr is pretty shitty to analyze
strange python
ye rankings are "disabled" on aggy
hoary copper
boots can favor a longer fight
your're 9 ilvl higher too >.>
Timeline apparently doesnt work on mobile now
vagrant patio
Thats what i mean, got better stats than him too i feel, better relics. So its down to my rotation.
hoary copper
They both did
dire spoke
that sucks
strange python
you have some wasted combo points and he doesn't, never mutilate at 4 cp, he casted toxic blade 5 times more than you, his envenom time was 12% higher
dire spoke
parse carried by PB 
ez game
vagrant patio
Rupture at 4, or always at 5?
strange python
hmm he had the boss garroted and ruptured during the intermission, while you didn't really, so he is getting lots more energy while killing adds
hoary copper
I give up looking at the damn log with mobile crap. Even mobile as desktop is shite
strange python
rupture doesn't do more damage with cp just lasts longer
hoary copper
4
vagrant patio
I have, but have heard conflicting ideas
hoary copper
The guide isnt conflicting?
vagrant patio
The only thing i've read from other guides that conflicted the the guide supplied was rupture at 5, envenom at 4/5. Just wanted to clarify
lean hill
Your bleed times sucks compare to his
hoary copper
There are no other guides
lean hill
70s to him being at 95
dire spoke
noxxic 
strange python
icy veins i guess
vagrant patio
Noxxic I believe
hoary copper
icy-veins
dire spoke
hoary copper
Some Icy-veins arent bad depending on who writes them
vagrant patio
But it was just a question, so in answer to my original question, its not about surge of toxins (unless in Kingsbane) and Bleeds should have a better uptime
lean hill
To be fair some classes send you to icy veins as the main resource
viscid helm
And RH guide is?
hoary copper
Like shammie is done by wordup
lean hill
Like hunters
lean hill
Bleeds is a pretty big factor, 20% less is significant
vagrant patio
Awesome, thanks
hoary copper
Flowi's Icy-Veins guide to Rogue: "Give up and reroll now."
strange python
68% garrote is pretty low even with aggramar and his intermission
strange python
garrote shouldn't fall off unless intermission
dire spoke
Well Raw also talented NS which is most likely false without mantle, but that's feelycraft so it's pretty useless to analyze that log
vagrant patio
I used NS to vanish/Rupture, but my consistency with that needs improving. Subterfuge would be better for Vanish/Garrotes?
strange python
but like i said he simply casted everything noticeably more than you did which you can chalk up to faster reaction timings and/or better positioning
you'd have to sim it
ns vs subterfuge
dire spoke
yeah, you best simulate that using the talent compare option on raidbots.com - with first use you need to import your data (relics) by inputting the /simc information you get with the ingame simulationcraft addon.
lean hill
More bleed uptime = more energy = more ability casts
strange python
fair point
dire spoke
= even more PB
vagrant patio
nice, i'll focus more on bleeds
lean hill
The lower rogue has a shitload more used. You holding CDs?
vagrant patio
no, but he knew more about cloaking aggr abilities than me
lean hill
That would only account for 10-15 casts over that fight though
vagrant patio
that and i guess less energy because of less bleeds as Dacx said
lean hill
You get dry pretty quick when bleeds aren't up
vagrant patio
yea, i got wa for em, but I can improve them
viscid helm
dire spoke
@vagrant patio do you know what pandemic is?
vagrant patio
Yes, got Wa for that, but think a sound could help
lean hill
And speaking from my experience I jumped up a decent amount of DPS when I got the uptime closer to 99 while I was learning sin
You can refresh rupture early with only a few points if it means you wont be holding your cooldowns, think you mentioned getting to 5
vagrant patio
So if Rupture is at Pandemic, top it up even at 3?
strange python
no because the duration depends on combo points