celest fable
😦
#assassination
exotic glen
wow zempai why dont you have a crystal ball that can predict everything about what rogue will look like in BFA
casual
steep obsidian
try classes on ptr when it goes live and see if you like how they play what some people like you might feel is crap
what ill say though is sin plays slow as hell if you want a button spammy spec you hit tons of buttons this aint it especially earlier in expacs
dire spoke
tardy belfry
So, if I’m facing a boss with 2 adds, like illysanna from BRH, how do I adapt my rotation? More specifically, after having applied poisons and rupture to all targets, do i build CP with mutilate on the boss or just keep FoKing?
sudden solstice
Hi all - 946 ilvl, 2pc tier bonus, leggo helm & boots, 166% mast, 32% crit for better info if possible. Should I run Nightstalker or Subterfuge? I find it hard to use vanish as a DPS cooldown running Subterfuge but not sure which talent I should run. Running poison build (master poisoner, vigor, TB for talents)
exotic glen
they are usually pretty equal with such a setup, i would sim it if i were you
exotic glen
im going to assume he meant singletarget
zealous dew
yup I guess as well
sudden solstice
Yup - ST. sorry, forgot to mention
If running Subterfuge what’s the best way to use vanish a DPS cooldown? Just vanish on CD to apply garrote?
zealous dew
vanish and refresh garrote pandemic in 3s
you have that window
you can vanish ability ability ability
one of the three must be a garrote
garrote pandemic is 5.4s so vanish accordingly
sudden solstice
That’s what I figured. I’ll check it out to see if what sims better given my gear.
zealous dew
i'd still play NS tbh
zealous dew
when in a dungeon you can enter a boss fight with 5CP
sudden solstice
Except for a fight like coven where you can garrote both bosses using Subterfuge I suppose but I’ll sim just to make sure. Assuming I to go NS with my 2pc - should I apply empowered rupture or envenom when vanishing?
zealous dew
coven can be run with 2p t20 4pt21 boots/wrists and prob subterfuge double garrote
exotic glen
your 2pc has nothing to do with this, if you have legendary shoulders you envenom, if not you rupture
sudden solstice
Got it - makes sense. Still waiting on my shoulders but I suppose helm/boots aren’t bad for now. If rupture is empowered by NS, should I let it fully tick out or still refresh on pandemic?
safe matrix
Fully tick out
It says in the guide
Well, not fully fully
But you wanna maximize snapshot rupture time
sudden solstice
Awesome, sounds good. Thanks all!
sudden solstice
D’oh - I remember reading that and must’ve forgotten. Thanks for your help @safe matrix @zealous dew @exotic glen
zealous dew
enjoy
safe matrix
your
exotic glen
meal
sudden solstice
Yup, just sinned and Subterfuge pulls ahead by .4% so I’ll stick with it until I get new gear/leggos
exotic glen
playstyle-wise personally i think that doing vanish > envenom > garote is the easiest to pull off, for some reason my vanish gets fucked if i just vanish > garote
probably just because im mentally confused but its what works for me
safe matrix
You said the word monkaS
exotic glen
you cant prove it
exotic glen
ye im a gut boi
heavy trail
Hey friends. Is WC logs down today ? Or is it my route there or something
quartz depot
up for me
sharp viper
i can still access wclogs
heavy trail
Ok
zealous dew
ded cennel, maybe it's time to take a break
viscid helm
Dead game
shrewd pine
I've been hearing that since TBC annoucement.
viscid helm
Hows that
zealous dew
content cleared in 1 week this xp, maybe will be cleared in 3-4 days next XP
top guilds ranting game too easy
avg guild killing in 3 weeks
my guild never killing it
trolls on forum blabla game easy
shrewd pine
Tier takes 3 weeks for world first
GAME TOO HARD FUCK YOU BLIZZARD
Tier takes 1 week
zealous dew
yep
shrewd pine
GAME TOO EASY FUCK YOU BLIZZARD
zealous dew
behind blizzard ? 😃
shrewd pine
behind fucking blizzard
or something
idk
I just play the game and dont give too many fucks about the rest. If games gets too bad I'll just go somewher else
viscid helm
I'll give first tier 3 days
shrewd pine
after seeing the mess
zealous dew
lul
shrewd pine
rly?
zealous dew
y
viscid helm
I'll give first tier 3 days
shrewd pine
they said somewhere that first raid is easier on purpose
for new casuals to have chance in LFR
I guess
shrewd pine
LFR part was sarcastic
but they said afaik, that they made EN easier on purpose to get new / returning people into raiding and not scare them away with hard first tier
and also they underestimated TFs and how much AP guilds gonna grind
oh and shadow priests, dont forget how much S2M influenced the encounters
nimble bison
yea s2m was fucked
viscid helm
1st raid always easy
shrewd pine
ye
shrewd pine
Yea, G'huun seems like a decent fight
viscid helm
The fight had some serious flaws tho
shrewd pine
shits gonna be cheesable as fuck
viscid helm
Bet my ass its gonna BE exploited to hell
shrewd pine
I'm dumb
viscid helm
Just my phone
rustic juniper
I am so annnoyed rn
shrewd pine
I think G'huun will be clusterfuck of a cheese, proper gouda
rustic juniper
been trying to do the damn scenario to get the kingslayers
and I just can't do it
shrewd pine
Blind Sigryn when she does the cast
Evasion the rage from the melee dude
Kidney shot bladestorm
rustic juniper
Not even to that
shrewd pine
interupt the caster and group them up
rustic juniper
I can't get into the keep
rustic juniper
the enhanced detection guys break sap
shrewd pine
u mean the acquisition? O.o
rustic juniper
I feel so inadequate
viscid helm
rustic juniper
I have no idea how to rogue
shrewd pine
you can distract them to get by
rustic juniper
yeah I've been trying that
I've been getting by by running and sapping
which has been working
but the guys on the approach to the keep break sap
shrewd pine
well if u cant stealth just murder everyone
rustic juniper
that won't work
I can barely take 1 guard
I know how I'm meant to do damage, vaguely, but I have no clue how to live
rustic juniper
oh
right
done it now
turns out sap only works on one thing at a time
things ya learn.
vapid moth
Blind has a larger range. Use it on the detect guys
Don’t take the main streets. SW has a bunch of tiny corridors
If anything you can sprint away and quickly vanish to remove any aggro once you get far enough away from thedetect guys.
@rustic juniper
rustic juniper
Yeah I got through it
now I just need a bit of practice to like
not die while killing a thing
vapid moth
It was one of my favorite quests actually
rustic juniper
I may be too used to having at least one heal
cause I'm not even noticing that vial thing
vapid moth
Play pvp. It’s a great way to learn exactly what a class is capable of
viscid helm
Or you know
Spend 5min
On the guide
🤷
X
D
Maybe if u spent that 5min
Scath
You wouldnt suck
Ye
?
Gotcha
vapid moth
Guide tells you how to do damage
viscid helm
marble hemlock
playing wow in 2018, think we still have plenty to worry about 😦
marble hemlock
go boomy then
viscid helm
Savage
marble hemlock
mousewheel up = moonfire, mousewheel down = starfall
mousewheel click for sunfire
there
30m dps
over a 2min aoe pull
viscid helm
I mean that could be legit
MUP slash
MDOWN dispatch
95% percentile
Who cares about pistol shot proc
marble hemlock
back in tbc ive always imagined my rdruid in arena as playing with a racing-wheel and pedals and a gearshift to switch between forms
pedals for hots, shift into travelform and cruise through the arena
wise frigate
Now I want to see Rudeism play a resto druid using a literal tree trunk.
wise frigate
Joke's on you, I like the idea of being able to play my spec with one hand and jack off with the other mid raid.
latent merlin
guys.. any advice for SEAT 25?
shrewd pine
dont do it
latent merlin
im already in
shrewd pine
rip
marble hemlock
if you think you may not have enough burst aoe for first pull, spec sub for that and respec assa after
latent merlin
we have balance and ele^^
marble hemlock
ele playing lightning rod?
latent merlin
sure
viscid helm
No
marble hemlock
ye
15deaths for first pull is totally fine
and theres a rule against promoting your own stream/content, so you might wanna remove that link
latent merlin
sry
marble hemlock
np ,)
latent merlin
deleted it
marble hemlock
depleting 18s with pugs ><
latent merlin
30 deaths approaching the second boss.. god, i hate that dungeon
marble hemlock
dunno, i quite like it, its just annoying as fuck as melee but also challenging when you pull it off
same as maw
latent merlin
so many unavoidable shit like shadow-pounce
that insta-kills you, when it overlaps with ANY other ability^^
marble hemlock
what i found works for me is that i just keep moving to different sides of a pack every ~5seconds or so, so im never in one place for too long
if youre the only melee it doesnt really matter if you got the suppression field, just feint+cv and move anyway
latent merlin
yeah.. but we have a holy pala who refuses to step away from trash and wants to deal his 200k trashdps
but our group just decided to call it, because "we are alliance, we have no belfs mimimimi , we cant do it intime now, mimimi"
we go nellys belly 23 now
marble hemlock
doing m+ as alliance 😃
latent merlin
you can easily do up to 27 as alliance, multiple groups have proven it. so i dont care about "but belf mimimi"
especially not in 25
marble hemlock
i mean yeah, but the only alliance grp that actually pushed pretty hard is gone
elu/blackfyre xferred horde, yabo stopped playing, and pinkbelt/draintrain transferred but have stopped playing since
and they basically had the perfect setup except for the rsham, before monk/boomy became as meta as they are now 😛
latent merlin
and? its not impossible to do high keys on alliance. yes, we wouldnt ahve dont that seat intime.. but calling it half way through after first wipe on second boss is mimimi bullshit
latent merlin
we fucked the timer at first boss^^
15 death after the kill, timer was gone
i just dont like the mindset "we cant do it because we are alliance", when we dont do keys 26-27+
we are around 23-25
marble hemlock
ye
can do 25s with discpriest and enhancer if you play cleanly
most people just dont wanna bother with putting up with comps or runs that leave very little room for mistakes
but since that is gonna happen eventually anyway when you want to push 28+
why not have that attitude in a 23 already
so yeah, just gotta fight the general mindset
people were saying assa is bad for m+, yet here we are
latent merlin
and doing "low keys" 😄
marble hemlock
i mean im doing fine 😛
but yeah, its like when we were trying to find a lineup for our maw28, ppl were telling us "cant play double melee, and if you do, you NEED a pally for bop on monk"
well, jokes on them
marble hemlock
a bunch of the higher score rogues are playing assa exclusively or depending on dungeon
so the mindset is slowly shifting
latent merlin
i never tried sub, tbh
marble hemlock
and its the same with the whole argument of alliance vs horde
the only difference is that due to not having access to belf/warstomp, alliance grps generally have a higher rate of VDH tanks compared to horde
then again playing with escaper has made me realize how incredibly underrated DH tanks are in general
wise frigate
Nah Seli's never ever streamed (it's linked on his Discord profile)
latent merlin
ty
exotic glen
why dont you just link your stream to discord @marble hemlock
latent merlin
im in dungeon, thats why i dont look close enough
exotic glen
also link me too
wise frigate
It is?
marble hemlock
linked it to my profile
and id rather not get the attention of the people in the lavender/orange jackets, so if someone asks, i usually just DM them
exotic glen
oh you can do it like that
wise frigate
I figured most people here knew you streamed by now tbh. Or knew you from the M+ leaderboards.
marble hemlock
probably, yeah
exotic glen
reee, thought you were streaming now
spare cloud
Who are you?
exotic glen
toph ❤
spare cloud
Everyone knows best m+ rogue is musclebrah
marble hemlock
the guy that ditched you guys last night @spare cloud
spare cloud
More gold for us 
marble hemlock
yeah, planned on doing maw with him but got the full ruski-entourage for it instead
to be fair, he and didde have sort of been the only hpals available these last few weeks
exotic glen
funny how team pogchamp in mdi opted for another healer than zmok just because he didnt want to play every day until after qualifiers
marble hemlock
think imba isnt really pushing right now, neither is cirranor
spare cloud
Playing assa in m+ 
marble hemlock
wise frigate
wise frigate
I know. That's leftover from when The Fokkening was in full swing. My one contribution to the rogue community.
marble hemlock
still got some of the best memes saved
ye
but their grp is struggling i think
jimmy doesnt seem to be interested in m+ anymore
so the only people left in that grp are robin, mike and imba
i mean
thats sort of on himself though
cultivating that kind of viewership for years
it always felt to me like he wasnt really enjoying highkeys anyway, he mostly did it because it was good for views
spare cloud
🤔
spare cloud
waiting for a m+ group
exotic glen
you need to speedrun a lap and get a new pb
shrewd pine
there is addon that counts dalaran loops? O.o wth there is addon for everything lol
marble hemlock
shrewd pine
lol, gotta get that, cheers
shrewd pine
I can see why, yea
marble hemlock
so ever since antorus came around, i spent 2 and a half days doing nothing but flying circles in dala
quick ice
Healthy
spare cloud
nerd
quick ice
Gotta get value out of your sub
marble hemlock
i mean
m+ boosts paying for subs since legion 😄
and im flying circles while looking for people to boost
so.... its not as bad i suppose
vapid moth
The boosts still sell well?
spare cloud
Not for you
marble hemlock
depends on what youre boosting really
15s sell for like 100k, thats not really worth, even when youre boosting 2people at the same time
mscore boosts have become a thing though with the raider.io addon being used by more and more people
spare cloud
buying a high score to get removed by higher level groups after they see you suck 
marble hemlock
so for a 18 you can usually get 700k (2token), 21 3-4, and 24 you can generally get 5-6token
shrewd pine
shhh, thats logic, casuals dont understand that
marble hemlock
had a restodruid once who wanted to show her guild that she can heal a 23
was during raging/necro/tyra
spare cloud
boosting a 24 maw with tyrannical in time
exotic glen
and she couldnt i guess
vapid moth
So people can get my score for a few Tokens. How nice
spare cloud
thats not on them
marble hemlock
offered 1mil, we told her "not doable unless we 2heal", she said then people know she got boosted, we told her "then we cant do it, not this week anyway" and she jumped up to offer 3mil
spare cloud
thats because you are bad
marble hemlock
so yeah... some people just have a lot of gold and dont care really
spare cloud
yeah block me for telling the truth
so you can feel better about yourself
that makes sense
not like blocking someone makes their messages even more annoying
because of the other color and the "click here to see blocked message" box
marble hemlock
yeah, the blocking-system is kinda flawed
vapid moth
Better than reading half the bullshit you type
shrewd pine
🍿
vapid moth
I don’t have to. It’s been seen here numerous times by numerous people. You’re as big of a dick with half the balls
spare cloud
shrewd pine
in his defense thats a great insult, I'm gonna steal that
exotic glen
tohp doesnt have a dick, toph is a girl
marble hemlock
but yeah @vapid moth its the same with anything really. make a random grp and demand curve, or mythic kills, or mscore, or pvp rating, and you cant really be sure whether people have bought those "achievements"
vapid moth
Very true
exotic glen
you can literally make the achievements with addons
shrewd pine
It's easy to spot M+ boosted character tho.
shrewd pine
You just gotta check their actual runs, instead of their score
vapid moth
The addon is shit
marble hemlock
i mean yeah, but people generlaly dont vet the people they take in for, idk. a +20 that much
they just see "okay, 5k score, got a 24 intime, lets invite"
shrewd pine
Yea, true)
spare cloud
nobody will look up previous runs done for a +20
shrewd pine
I do for healers. Just this week had a r druid with 4,5k m+ score who couldnt heal +20 fortified Shade of Medivh
and didnt even know flame wreath explodes if target with it dies
marble hemlock
and when the run is over and its deplete, its not always that easy to just realize "okay that guy has been boosted" since a lot of people who actually played for those scores are fairly bad themselves still
spare cloud
by now people with hc gear should be able to rush through +20 like they did through +10 earlier
so it doesn't matter anyways
shrewd pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
marble hemlock
and its usually harder to spot why someone is boosted, since doing dps isnt hard. not doing shitty pulls, or failing interrupts/stuns etc. is, and that stuff can happen to anyone, not just people who got boosted
spare cloud
shitty pulls shouldn't matter for that key level
vapid moth
How do you know someone is a good player then?
marble hemlock
well, with people usually not doing more than ~2mil dps, if everyone is doing that the 20s are somewhat tight time-wise
messing up pulls and wiping because of it can quickly deplete the key
spare cloud
Yeah but you would need to know how good your group members exactly are to do proper pulls for them
if you pull too much stuff doesn't die
and if you pull too less then you will just take too long
marble hemlock
just need 1 or 2 badly placed starfalls or dragonsbreath/prototype pulls and the run is over
shrewd pine
You can't properly say if a pug is a good player. You just gotta make yer own network and only add people who aint shit.
Pugging will always result in playing with shitters and depleting keys.
spare cloud
thats more of an issue that comes with experience in a group
marble hemlock
yup, and people pay good money to get a jump-start for that networking capability
shrewd pine
yea and its gonna be even bigger "issue" in bfa
spare cloud
Yeah but it's not going to get them anywhere
marble hemlock
theres also the people that dont need a boost, who are really good players but just dont have the friends to consistently do higher keys with, so they pay to have those people
spare cloud
people in the community know if you got boosted
and then deny you just because of that
shrewd pine
as in legion these systems are just getting estabilished... in bfa, oh boy. If u good, you gonna be so rich at the start.
Yea but thats 25+ community that knows each other well.
The guys who are doing around 20s, not so much, they are just above average who "push" 20s
and thats the audience where getting boosted will get you in
IMO
marble hemlock
i mean, theres 3 tiers really
spare cloud
Then we need to clear which community we're talking about
marble hemlock
you got the dudes just using the LFD tool with the raider.io addon
those will usually suffer the worst of it when they take in a boosted guy
shrewd pine
Yea, thats the guys who "push" 18/19
marble hemlock
then you have the people looking for groups in the keysboys discord, people usually get called out there if they play like shit
vapid moth
It’s an interesting discord...
marble hemlock
and then you have the people who started on the discord, but have built up a network through whispers/private discords to do like 26+ exclusively
those are the ones doing the boosts 😛
shrewd pine
I think we can add a 4th category, which is 15 shitters who are looking to get into the "LFD group"
spare cloud
If you are willing to invest the time to get good at it, you're gonna get to play with a high group earlier or later
vapid moth
That’s my DH category
steep obsidian
try starting a group for anything lower then a 15 you get people who have no idea what the affixes even do
vapid moth
Harder to look for 15s now ironically
marble hemlock
yeah, if you just spend some time your score will rise eventually
shrewd pine
We dont talk about sub 15 zone. Thats a forbidden.
spare cloud
But if you are trying to cut your way short to it you're going to fail
thats about it
marble hemlock
people paying for boosts usually feel like they are "stuck" in whatever tier they are in right now though
or just want access to one of those higher "tiers"
vapid moth
Get their foot in the door
spare cloud
I'm stuck at my level as well, I would never pay for a boost because it doesn't really give access to higher tiers
thats the problem
shrewd pine
its the same as in any other online game with rating. Its always other people's fault for them being stuck in "elo hell"
marble hemlock
it does, since name-shaming isnt as common as you might think
as i said, its hard to see who got boosted, and who is just bad
spare cloud
to a certain degree, ofc
shrewd pine
Yea, generally u find out someone is bad until you play with them... which is too late.
spare cloud
Not only your name 🤷
Your logs say so as well
🤷
But thats fine
You don't want to improve anyways
vapid moth
People really be bashing on my shit cause I use the head leggo in raids
marble hemlock
yup, at that point they may have already ruined a key
which is somewhat of an ethical dilemma when youre boosting these people
spare cloud
Yeah but you're not gonna ruin a good 29 and play it with a guy you've not played with before
shrewd pine
Yea lol, I'm boosting this dude in all 23s for mad cash
marble hemlock
but i do a lot of 15-20 pugkeys so i feel i make up for it 😄
shrewd pine
but then I might get the shitter in my key and fuck up my run
spare cloud
It only matters for the medium-level category
marble hemlock
thats not what youre boosting anyway, its the 20-24 region right now
spare cloud
Seliathan
marble hemlock
and those are rarely done in the same grps, and usually done with either LFD or the keys discord
vapid moth
I’ll buy a boost
shrewd pine
I stopped in legion on like 4k m+ score. Havent properly pushed. Might start pushing in BFA tho.
steep obsidian
im happy with my ♿ 3300 rating i dont care about pushing it
marble hemlock
and for those two options, the boosts seem to work, even if they fuck up the run, they get a chance to play there, which is all these people want
i mean rating is just a number anyway
spare cloud
how much do you take for a 24 seat btw
shrewd pine
in the end it's about what you enjoy the most. I enjoyed for the longest time easy keys with low risk.
marble hemlock
theres plents of highly rated players that get somewhat shunned because theyre not that consistent in their gameplay or simply are assholes noone wants to put up with
spare cloud
I think name shaming in the top bracket is a huge thing
marble hemlock
ye
vapid moth
Muahaha
spare cloud
its just in the medium - lower bracket where its not as big
steep obsidian
tbh some of the guys who stream high keys are assholes
spare cloud
because it doesn't matter there
spare cloud
I'm still baffled by the fact that people willingly play with musclebrah and drjayfisto
marble hemlock
some of the players that are like top20 or smth, i wouldnt consider playing with for pushing keys, because i feel like theyre not that focused or good :x
shrewd pine
The higher you go on a food chain the more toxic enviroment gets, thats just case in every game and should be expected.
spare cloud
Ofc
Its not really toxic its more of a people actually start calling you out for the bullshit you do attitude
that becomes toxic in many cases though
shrewd pine
yea, agreed on that
spare cloud
some people can't take getting called out for their mistakes
marble hemlock
its a time invested vs results earned ratio, and either one of those will eventually get you a high score, simple as that
spare cloud
so they start flaming back
marble hemlock
can fuck up 9/10 runs, but if you do a thousand of them, youll still get a 27+ intime eventually, right?
shrewd pine
Its quite fine line between calling out and getting toxic. And as you said a lot of people cant take the criticism and just go ape shit in return.
spare cloud
Seliathan I think thats a matter of attitude as well
Since you can bruteforce many things why bother actually learning it?
marble hemlock
yeah
its why i liked the changed they did back then
that starting a key and depleting actually lowered it
shrewd pine
Because at some point you a hit point where you need to learn and brute force wont get you further
marble hemlock
instead of just bruteforcing it 20 times till you got it right
steep obsidian
calling out other people is fine imo but you better be accurate or you are just a dickhead blaming someone else
spare cloud
When you are at that point you're looking at top 8 eu teams
I don't mind if people call me out for my bullshit
otherwise you don't improve
marble hemlock
meowchan for example was highly rated, but he wasnt that good a player, he just spent a lot of time in dungeons trying to practice and perfect them, and eventually did a clean run
spare cloud
it doesn't have to be that accurate, some people have trouble expressing themselves the right way
marble hemlock
how toxic people seem to be also depends on how the people theyre actually talking to perceive it
spare cloud
but just the fact that someone is willing to "call you out" already might show that there is an issue
marble hemlock
for example a lot of people think that the russian monk, iq23, is extremely toxic
but i never felt like he was
he just calls people by their shit, trying to analyze, not to blame
for people watching from the outside, it may seem differently
shrewd pine
Thats because they have bias towards the dude cuz he is Russian, quite simple.
marble hemlock
i mean its his voice and the way he says it
spare cloud
tbf russian people sound angry at times
marble hemlock
but people doing these extremely high keys usually dont mind being called out for things they fucked up
spare cloud
germans do as well
Like I said some people have trouble to express themselves
even with good intentions
marble hemlock
but then you have people on the outside who dont share that attitude and think its toxic
spare cloud
and those people then buy his boost
shrewd pine
Also regarding the calling out. If you call out people you gotta be ready to get called out too and accept it. Otherwise you are just massive dick. I was playing with a person like that. He was all about calling out your mistake, but when you called HIM out he would dismiss it or find a way around how it was your fault... at that point its not calling out, but blaming and being a cunt.
marble hemlock
haha
spare cloud
then get in a 25 and suddenly get flamed for messing up a stun
and ragequit because people are not "relaxed"
shrewd pine
anyone who expects a 25+ or higher run to be "relaxed" is delusional lol
spare cloud
I mean
marble hemlock
a lot of people get toxic as fuck when you ruin keys that they need for score
spare cloud
I raid on a pretty decent level and we still have fun in the raids
marble hemlock
those are the people i try to avoid
because score isnt all that important
i dont mind depleting 5 keys in a row with the same grp if im having fun
shrewd pine
that's a fair point
spare cloud
its just that you kinda have to know when to get serious
marble hemlock
exactly
shrewd pine
truu
marble hemlock
you should be able to fool around
as long as people are focusing when things get tough, youre alright
spare cloud
You see that in killvids of method for example
You see them trashtalking in all of their videos
and then suddenly when the hard phases begin
its silence
shrewd pine
I think that's the issue. Sometimes you get 4 ppl who fuck around and 5th dude who wants to be serious. Or the other way around.
marble hemlock
some dungeons just are that boring between bosses or hard pulls, theres no reason to be tense
spare cloud
only raidlead talking
quick ice
That's the good thing about raiding. Farm night is for fucking around. Less of a farm in m+
marble hemlock
then you have 1 hard pull
shrewd pine
Oh yea I saw that a lot on Sco's stream when they were reclearing raids.
marble hemlock
then nothing happens again for 10mins
then you have moroes
and then the rest is just a cakewalk again
comparing that to a maw
youre tense and focused the entire run
spare cloud
I'm not
marble hemlock
my hands were shaking when we got helya into p2 yesterday, felt great
spare cloud
because I just die to cleave of the first 2 mobs anyways
thats why I don't push high keys 🤷
marble hemlock
idk, its amazing
better than any progressraid i had
except for maybe our raggi 10man progress
steep obsidian
progression raiding can feel like that
marble hemlock
yeah, we did #21 raggi back then, that was tense too, but m+ is somewhat comparable due to the scale
everyone has specific duties and if you fuck up yours, the key is gone
shrewd pine
The time commitment for dungeon pushing is higher than raids. As in time "lost" if u fail a "pull"
brisk forge
M+ isnt the same feeling at all imo
steep obsidian
but yeah i do miss 10 man a fair bit, its really hard to find a 20 man raid where you dont loathe at least a few people
quick ice
On that topic of the shakey hands - anyone else have to have something in their mouth during prog? I grind like a mfer if I don't have a mint or gum
spare cloud
I don't really have the time to establish myself in the m+ community
I'm probably not good enough to do really high keys as well
idk 🤷
shrewd pine
Therefore m+ pushing is more intense and more rewarding, but its not for everyone. Exactly due to that
marble hemlock
everyone has to pull their weight and you need to be able to trust that they dont fuck up stuff, or youre gonna have a hard time
steep obsidian
just make some friends and run keys with them
better then running with random ragey idiots
marble hemlock
yeah id agree, losing a 30-40min run to a single mistake is quite damning
brisk forge
Friends can rage aswell tho xD
spare cloud
it happens so many times
shrewd pine
Yea, thats my beef with m+
spare cloud
m+ is very time intensive
if you really want to get good at it then you're bound to invest so many hours
steep obsidian
learning them is
marble hemlock
but since this shit happens all the time, people just need to accept that and not rage nonstop, and id say that theres not a single super-tilter in the highkey community because you just cant survive if you are one
shrewd pine
Also gear reward is absolute shite...
spare cloud
seliathan how many hours do you think you've invested into m+?
steep obsidian
the dungeons in bfa kinda scare me as a melee tbh
marble hemlock
idk, hard to say
pseudo mural
stat prio for assa?
marble hemlock
i did like 1.5k runs i think?
spare cloud
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
shrewd pine
spare cloud
@pseudo mural
marble hemlock
generally mastery>crit>agi=vers, sim yourself if you want more accurate weights
pseudo mural
ty
spare cloud
Yeah
brisk forge
And like 3-5% haste xD
quick ice
I don't know many people where AGI is still equal to vers tbh
steep obsidian
@brisk forge that is true but like going overboard is dumb personally I don't need someone to rage at me to improve I am hard enough on myself for 3 ragers
steep obsidian
i dont push keys high enough where making a single mistake means you miss the timer though
spare cloud
I've been warned for harrassing xaethron yesterday
steep obsidian
my highest is still only a 21 /shrug
spare cloud
so I need another target
marble hemlock
yeah, people usually realize when they fuck up themselves, so theres little need to call each other out to begin with
spare cloud
that can take a little more
shrewd pine
yea, like if I sperg out and use DFA in flamewreath and bomb out the whole squad
brisk forge
Rage never makes ppl improve imo 😀 But ppl are diff ik 😜
spare cloud
he doesn't respond as funny as xaethron does
jovial kite
@fair compass
jovial kite
yes
shrewd pine
toxic D:
jovial kite
pedro will do it for 50
spare cloud
I can give you 100
jovial kite
make it three fiddy and ill have @orchid rover do it
spare cloud
steep obsidian
did i miss some drama?
jovial kite
yeah and toph trying to buy sexual favours with baepoints
nothing out of the ordinary
steep obsidian
i always miss the good stuff cept the bit the other night as i went to sleep i went back and reread all that
spare cloud
read offtopic from yesterday night
that was the shit
I need to do one small favour today
echo estuary
which one is offtopic? i cant tell
spare cloud
Every channel is offtopic
just for different things
offtopic is for politics
assassination is for actual offtopic
outlaw is not used
sublety is for fuu
exotic glen
offtopic is for mizerok to link random music
spare cloud
jovial kite
stark heart
:/
jovial kite
@spare cloud
exotic glen
help lorentz
stark heart
Perfect time to open rh as I see it
spare cloud
Lorentz go back to tc
warm parcel
spare cloud
you're not supposed to be here
stark heart
Good day to you too darling
spare cloud
❤
exotic glen
lorentz how do i do mage tower
spare cloud
you and weak are the only hope we have left
stark heart
You queue for scenario and then complete it?
jovial kite
!rtb
spare cloud
🎲 rip rtb 🎲
echo estuary
can we have a quick weather check
warm parcel
Too hot
spare cloud
jovial kite
echo estuary
22c, sunny
viscid helm
26c
quick ice
That's what we call wintery here tbh
viscid helm
jovial kite
warm parcel
Its bad rn
echo estuary
jovial kite
the asswater?
quick ice
Winter rn - people legit wearing sweaters
echo estuary
молодец @spare cloud
quick ice
less during the middle of the day though
echo estuary
oil/gold
spare cloud
I would love to learn russian though
echo estuary
war/epidemic
spare cloud
love the language 🤷
quick ice
crocs are (usually) way further north
quick ice
darwin has many crocs
echo estuary
brisbane is for surfers
spare cloud
were you attacked by a poisonous animal?
solid nova
Lets go boys
spare cloud
considering you live in australia
viscid helm
solid nova
UK coming in
quick ice
@spare cloud not today but I've been inside all day
spare cloud
How do you fight them off
solid nova
God save the queen, tea and scones blud
quick ice
I am now immune to 15 different poisons
echo estuary
these weather checks lighten up the mood i feel, whenever Don attempts to engage in an e-altercation with Perelman, hit em with a weather check
solid nova
How can sunny weather not make anyone happy?
exotic glen
send help
spare cloud
argonic
solid nova
Its not possible
spare cloud
go play some dark souls
exotic glen
toph
quick ice
I actually had a spider-bro living in my place until he got blown away in the wind 😦
exotic glen
later bub
exotic glen
gotta do it another way then because im heading out hahah
solid nova
I've done it in 22 minutes before
Get everything in advance, dont be a pleb
Bank appropriately
spare cloud
I need to unlock fairy rings
solid nova
its fast if you're efficient
echo estuary
rip 1 def pure, not worth doing monkey thingy
spare cloud
and I need to do those ectoplasm
quests
for accumulator
and shit
they take long as fuck
<.<
solid nova
1 def pure can do MM, just dont recieve the xp at the end and you're find
Yeah ive done all those Toph
spare cloud
Yeah you can leave beforehand
echo estuary
how is it possible to not receive the exp Richard
solid nova
Dont talk to the guy that blindfolds you
After completing the quest
and you wont get the bonus xp
Simple
Daero or whatever the name is
echo estuary
will you be able to return to that area though?
spare cloud
no
quasi spindle
anyone have good talent setup on beta for leveling?
solid nova
You have no need to return
spare cloud
try out stuff yourself @quasi spindle
there is no best atm
but crimson tempest is pretty good
and pb sucks
I can tell you that much
viscid helm
leeching poison and CT
echo estuary
hopefully my rs accs are not gone, i had a p hat set and some other goodies from way back. i hear they go for a bit nowadays
solid nova
@echo estuary Some of them go for 3bil+ now mate on rs3
echo estuary
holy cow
quasi spindle
mainly asked because not overly familiar with rogues. Druid/DK mains.
echo estuary
i used to merch the hats for about 1m back in 2003-4
quick ice
@viscid helm still planning your HB/cloak/flying daggers 1-shot-fok build for actual launch?
spare cloud
But yeah, my next goal will be fairy rings
echo estuary
blue was worth the most back then, around 5? i guess
viscid helm
that + crafted boots
solid nova
You only need to partially do FT part 2 to fully unlock
viscid helm
if they work
spare cloud
Yeh
viscid helm
if not then sephuz
solid nova
Thats all i did
solid nova
And get recipe for disaster done for b gloves
jovial kite
cant wait for launch 
spare cloud
I don't like to keep quests unfinished
shrewd pine
boots will be better than sephuz cuz you can slam 3x XP gem into them
solid nova
Yeah i got 3 yellow ones atm, triggers me but got skills to get 80 all round first
jovial kite
its only disappointment from there
spare cloud
I have 60 qp already
echo estuary
are those games completely separate? oldschool&rs3?
viscid helm
well i already said, if boots work
solid nova
Yeah Perelman
spare cloud
thats more I had on my old account when I played as a child
echo estuary
so no way to transfer any dineros over to oldschool?
solid nova
Maximum quest points is 263 and ive got 179 atm
spare cloud
No
solid nova
Yes there is
solid nova
There's clan chats that exchange at a rate
solid nova
48 hours of fishing ahead of me, gonna do farm runs in between
quick ice
you could technically test boots
if they work on a toon that doesn't have flying yet
then they should work
but I don't know anyone that doesn't have flying
echo estuary
whats your endgame goals, TOPH&Richard?
solid nova
Max again
echo estuary
ah i thought you boys wanted to pk
solid nova
Probably take a little over a year at current stats
solid nova
Well i could leave def till last and max melee, 75 def pk with dh or something
spare cloud
my goal is max an account first
solid nova
Toph will die out on gains when bfa releases
spare cloud
then go over to pking
echo estuary
are any of the obscure builds viable? i.e 99 str 1atk/def
spare cloud
yeah but if I get a decent account going before that
I will come back after first grind
for sure
solid nova
Yeah i mean theres so much you can afk Toph
spare cloud
perelman there is many obscure builds going
I've seen a 1 attack 1 str defensive pure
with poison only
echo estuary
oO
spare cloud
just tanking you out until poison kills you
solid nova
Or they have a dfs and the spec hits like a 30
echo estuary
sounds like fun
solid nova
serp helm with stacking venom
Venom can stack to like 20
- dfs max hit of 30
Can be level 50 odd with a 50+ combo
1 shots
spare cloud
and you cant die
because you are like combat level 50
and nothing does enough dmg
to kill you
echo estuary
but its too much active clicking and stuff for me, if there was a way to offset the burden a bit by some afk macro, that would be essential i think
don't really have the time anymore
echo estuary
i perceive streamers no different than a beggar with a cup, except streamers' cup is an e-cup 😃
spare cloud
its entertainment
solid nova
So if you receive without asking, its not begging
exotic glen
they provide entertainment?????????? how is that like begging?
spare cloud
thats like saying film artists are just beggars
exotic glen
i would ask if you have a mental deficit in a rude way, but i would probs get muted again
echo estuary
go ahead
echo estuary
just pm me your thoughts if that will alleviate your troublesome existance
exotic glen
you cant just go around saying the most insane shit and expect people to either like you or respect your opinion, especially if this is how you react
i guess i understand now why don doesnt like you
echo estuary
i have no expectations
spare cloud
Im horny
dire spoke
I'm Batman
viscid helm
im hungry
warm parcel
Me too
solid nova
I could eat
jovial kite
wise frigate
Hi Horny, Batman, and Hungry. I'm dad.
spare cloud
Hi dad
solid nova
What if you're so hungry you're horny and decide to RP as daddy batman?
echo estuary
@jovial kite give a man a sauna...
jovial kite
he will bathe for an evening, give a man a sauna and a swimmingpool and they are both covered in shit
@safe matrix
👀
echo estuary
i suppose its how liavre marks his turf, no trespassing!
prime crest
Sup bois kinda struggling with my assassination rogue I don’t know how to polish my rotation what should be the usual drill when both KB TB and vanish are up mid fight, should I use the vanish on the Envenom after applying KB and then use TB on the last 9 seconds on kB ?
Or use TB KB Vanish Envenom just like the opener 👀
shrewd pine
a) make sure you have envenom for KB
b) dont delay TB for KB for longer than 5 seconds
c) after vanish you wanna be using envenom if u have shoulderpads.
What you can do is get 3/4 CPs, then KB, to get to max CP, then vanish envenom and then TB
strange python
Read the guide at the top
shrewd pine
you have time to do one action right after KB before first damage ticks which should be the vanish'd envenom
strange python
You can check to see what your simulation does regarding the second vanish
prime crest
Aight will do thanks guys :p
mighty star
is subterfuge good for M+? Accidentally took it and found out garrote does a ton
exotic glen
i guess it can be if you dont play shoulders
mighty star
so in other words: nope
mighty star
I'm hoping subterfuge will be better in BFA, I honestly like it a lot more than nightstalker
marble hemlock
yeah thats kind of the thing
proud plaza
Hey there, does anyone know where some up-to-date racial sims are? I can't seem to find them on ravenholdt
marble hemlock
if you go subterfuge, you dont really want to run shoulders and spend 3gcds garroting right
but there are no other good aoe legendaries 😄
mighty star
herodamage limit
proud plaza
@mighty star thanks
mighty star
has all the sims for everything
proud plaza
oh duh, forgot about this site lol
marble hemlock
the "best" options are cloak or trinket, and neither one of them really do much, so i pretty much always run nightstalker
i always wanted to try subterfuge with high ilvl t20 4pc+t21 2pc though, but yeah... gl getting that 😄
mighty star
is it better to FoK in AoE under nightstalker or envenom?
mighty star
yeah but if you already have envenom buff, wouldn't FoK beat envenom in damage after a certain number of targets?
or is that not even worth worrying about
exotic glen
i think no, because poison bomb chance
mighty star
ah ok, thanks
exotic glen
but you know, maybe if you have like 50+ targets
mighty star
yeah lol
marble hemlock
depends on the amount of targets, if you have PK relics etc.
i generally spam fok when theyre sub 30%
and disregard overcapping cp
for more consistent damage
compared to the proc-based damage you may or may not get with a bomb
naive cypress
Is envenom buff additive or multiplicative?
steep obsidian
the guys in the theorycraft channels might know if they dont answer here, I dunno if they bite though
warm parcel
add
steep obsidian
there ya go
fervent beacon
@spare cloud the fuck did you say about me you shit Lord.
I will let you know that I'm trained in 159 different ways to beat people up.
spare cloud
What did I say about you?
exotic glen
probably said that he was a respectable and valuable member of society
and we cant have you going around lying
fervent beacon
Saying I'm lame and you won't bother with me. May be deaf but I can read hurtful things.
spare cloud
I didn't mean it like that
sharp viper
now kiss and make up
keen inlet
fervent beacon
I also noticed what you did too Don
Everyone's bullying the defboi because he can't hear
keen inlet
did what now