hi guys, is the diffrence between vigor and deeper strat just playstyle pref ? also when playing vigor u clip at 4 to not lose combopoints, if you play with deeper strat do i now clip at 5 or still clip at 4
#assassination
jovial thunder
slim estuary
I didn't know that was a choice. TBH i just thought we all knew vigor was choice
heavy trail
Quick one for you guys. Is it true I read somewhere that having 3 master assassin relics is wasted and if that is impacted by using the lego boots. And one last dumb one. Is there a huge advantage in dps to keep dumping points into your spec once it's past 75 ?
yeah messedup got 3 MA relics now and could have taken a poison knivesone which rocks for m+ oh well
Thanks AG
I am playing poison build usually with subterfuge as i just seem a bit cozier vanishing with that lol. Not sure if its probably a great idea. My legos are wrists and boots right now just swapped out head because i just got 4 piece tier 21
Yep
Yeah no shoulders my toon is only 110 for 2 weeks I believe
I really want shoulders and the legs for world pvp goodness
strange python
world pvp in the current year?
lone junco
I think the world pvp toggle will be neat. Especially if there is some pve goal through honor.
strange python
yeah
it's cool for leveling but idk what the max level bonus is
extra war resources hue
void elf or dwarf best ally racial for pve?
quick ice
10% bonus rep iirc?
strange python
well then looks like pvp will be staying on for me
easy for us rogues to just leave pvp on regardless
timid loom
lone junco
It depends on crit levels. But 2T for most. High crit (Ep) it is 3T
exotic glen
disgusting
fast nacelle
steep obsidian
i wonder if freehold is gonna go live with that stun debuff
people gonna get so triggered
red prawn
so I got duskwalker's leggo this week and don't have bracers, but I have shoulders, are dusk better than bracers?
strange python
I don't see a lot of shoulder + boots but it sims higher for some people
Compared to shoulder + bracers
steep obsidian
it always gonna be situaitional but sim wise they are close yeah
generally people like bracers coz the sub 35% is the hardest part of the fight
in a lot of bosses
zealous dew
boots are very good for m+ bosses
mystic talon
@pliant grove Hey I was wondering, how much do you sim for?
pliant grove
@mystic talon im main sub u gotta tag me on sub channel
jade forge
What traits should I go for m+?
For 1st and 3rd tier
I picked 500 avoidance where I could for 2nd tier
Avoidance/mastery
plain thistle
if talking about traits alone, PK and MAalch
for T2, master of shadow is a good and solid choice (mastery is awesome for AoE and avoidance is super good too)
fiery nest
You click the subtlety spec button :)
spare cloud
Thats not true
jade forge
Thank you @plain thistle
viscid helm
@stark heart wasnt meant for you
uncut shale
Anyone willing to take a bit of time to analyze my setup? I'm having trouble getting above 2.05m simmed, I don't know if it's low ilvl trinkets or maybe I can focus on replacing some gear? I think my rotation is fine as it's quite similar to top parses I have analyzed. If anyone has any insights here is my character: https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Bandageheals
I specifically mean for raiding though, I don't care much for M+.
strange python
Your crit is really low!
Those are your stat weights, you should definitely work on getting more crit, you also have 6 master assassin traits which does nothing to your dps, you either want 5 or 7
vapid moth
"AOTC for inv"
slow stag
is 31% crit on assasin a bit high?
exotic glen
No
vapid moth
are you using shoulders?
vapid moth
then no its actually kinda low lol
pugs are as bitchy as ever. glad to see that hasnt changed
dude was just judging my normal parses... like ive touched normal since january
vapid moth
bored really
vapid moth
uneventful
spare cloud
Thats good to hear
vapid moth
yup
vapid moth
waiting for a pug to accept me
spare cloud
you can do it my friend
vapid moth
yup
solid nova
Just link aotc or make your own group fam
supple hearth
@vapid moth are u NA horde by chance
vapid moth
no.
supple hearth
Rip
vapid moth
alliance
solid nova
He's alliance
spare cloud
He can express himself richard
supple hearth
Would have gotten u into a group but u chose the wrong faction
solid nova
Don't tell me what to do
spare cloud
π
vapid moth
i can get into any group for raid. i was talking about M+ group
solid nova
Mr trouble starter
supple hearth
@vapid moth same thing
spare cloud
when did i ever start trouble
supple hearth
I can even heal
solid nova
Well if you don't have 7k raider io then no you can't be invited to my +8 BRH
supple hearth
Good think I'm 9k
spare cloud
richard I'd invite you every day β€
solid nova
Thanks fam
vapid moth
is it bad that ive killed PK and kin over 30 times each accross my rogue and DH and never gotten the cincture or crit ring
spare cloud
It's fine you'll get it eventually
vapid moth
those shits just dont fucking drop for me. its amazing
"sorry i needed a DH"... instead of a rogue... for upper 15... if that aint the biggest bullshit
spare cloud
tranquil silo
15s are serious business
vapid moth
in that case i woulda brought my own DH
having played both i can safely say that DH has absolutely nothin on rogue when it comes to Upper khara during fortified week
Oh yeah youre right. darkness is absolutely life saving on +15 keys
at this point i see more people saying "gimme gold to join" than "gimme a score of 3k to join"
open reef
Evening, does wa oraz tmw addons work on beta?
plain thistle
yes, WA does work on beta
spare cloud
Jhonwei shadowblade when
jovial kite
shrewd night
Dont poke the bear and just be happy about it
exotic glen
Cant be happy about something i dont know
plain thistle
exotic glen
Dont think you realise how many messages are in there. I just scrolled through a ton and it was all perelman vs the world
civic palm
O _O"
exotic glen
Mizerok help
civic palm
?
manic vigil
civic palm
^ _^
echo cargo
civic palm
Nope.
trim dirge
wtf
supple hearth
probably just some bug or something
civic palm
Yeah over the entire fight and through death even.
So it's not something that they brought into the encounter.
marble hemlock
initially id assume they just let the buff at the start stack incredibly high, but that doesnt seem to case since he opened with like a 20mil holyshock from the get-go
must be something bug-related
marble hemlock
his gear also doesnt point to anything that mightve caused it
civic palm
Yeah it's not even particularly high level either.
marble hemlock
and he was using a stamina flask
lost horizon
+tanking trinket
marble hemlock
well
marble hemlock
with how easy it is to accumlate threat
you can probably still tank a 9m dps player
:x
and not lose aggro
civic palm
and I imagine a 20M Holy Shock would probably strip threat after Taunt is done.
He seems to have threat only during those huge burst windows as well.
dark crag
15k crit and 14k haste
marble hemlock
yeah, just seems like something bugged honestly, as in most of his spells just got some weird modifier to their damage
civic palm
Yeah, weird math.
marble hemlock
i dont see a buff or anything that mightve made it happen, so unless someone can reproduce it, it just consider it spaghetto code
dark crag
maybe some unknown trick with a trinket or something
marble hemlock
nah, theres nothing there that should lead to it
civic palm
Nothing weird about his gear at all.
marble hemlock
i was thinking about some weird interaction with the codex too
civic palm
or relics or anything.
marble hemlock
but his first codex proc was after he pulled aggro from dpsing
marble hemlock
it does however seem like he did it on purpose
civic palm
and it seems too consistent.
marble hemlock
otherwise theres no reason for him to go defensive
civic palm
marble hemlock
by playing riftworld codex and a stamina flask
civic palm
Unless the Codex is incorrectly applying an aura, or that aura has a damage amp. component...
I dunno.
marble hemlock
so he probably knew something was bugged, and knew hed pull aggro, so in order to do the parse he went full defensive
civic palm
The aura itself amounts for .1% of his damage.
So
It would stand to say he would do it elsewhere.
Which he doesn't seem to have done.
dark crag
looks a lot like the somekind of bug like the fok bug
marble hemlock
maybe its because his name is silverhand, and the light empowered him to defeat sargeras as its avatar
civic palm
Unless he could stack something BEFORE the fight started.
marble hemlock
that would be lost when he died during transition, but hes still going big in p4
marble hemlock
ill just stick with my theory
with xera gona, and illidan in the spotlight, the light has decided to empower a paladin as their righteous champion, and it would make sense for it to choose someone named silverhand
to vanquish the evil sargeras once and for all
dark crag
maybe that pala spell where you bow down covered in light does something
civic palm
He has an ~1second CD on Holy Shock.
dark crag
he has no sockets and no enchants outside neck
civic palm
Yeah.
marble hemlock
yeah i was thinking that his holyshock cd seemed kinda odd
civic palm
Doesn't explain why it crits @ a 92% rate or does 24M on average though.
marble hemlock
90%+ holyshock critrate is normal tho
civic palm
k
marble hemlock
whats not normal is how high it crits
marble hemlock
since so many of your procs rely on your HS critting, its what you shoot for statwise
to get 95-100% HS critchance
civic palm
Yeah
civic palm
Yeah everything is amped.
civic palm
This is the R1 Mythic hPally parse -
2M > _>
Where's this 10x multiplier coming from?
wise frigate
Wait so I'm just getting into this convo. Wtf happened? Shockadin did some stupid numbers?
marble hemlock
as i said, its not just HS
its all the spells
CS average cast for 9mil, even his meleeattacks hit for 3mil
dark crag
marble hemlock
seems like all his abilities just deal 10x the damage
dark crag
3.08 mio avg melee hits
wise frigate
Yeah dafuq. I see that now. 1.65mil average neck enchant proc.
14mil Judges. Something's not quite right...
spare cloud
Thats me
marble hemlock
guess
spare cloud
my iq
marble hemlock
we know the answer now
he just did a whole rick and morty marathon before doing argus
civic palm
So why does he have 13x INT? ...
spare cloud
because I have no friends to share my intellect with
jovial kite
πππππ
strange python
wat
marble hemlock
some weird interaction with some worldbuff or something increasing his stats
strange python
even
marble hemlock
and getting summoned without losing them or smth
civic palm
What buff though? It would be on the list if active still.
jovial kite
πππππππππππ
marble hemlock
might just be some scenario like the highmountain tauren ones where you play the dryad
where your stats get changed
civic palm
mmm
marble hemlock
then you get summoned, and for some reason the stats stay
jovial kite
This isnt offtopic
dark crag
you enter the wq scenario and get ported to argus?
civic palm
Yeah, easy enough to check I suppose.
dark crag
but i think that would have happened before in en, nh, tov and tos and not now
civic palm
Any kind of patch can break anything.
dark crag
ok thats true
civic palm
and since you cannot complete WQs in a raid, chances of someone accepting it and then doing it are lower.
dark crag
i do last min wqs and get invited all the time and wondering why the wq is that long ^^
civic palm
Dummy.
dark crag
group frame looks like raid frame, sometimes annoying
civic palm
Yep.
Well at least that is figured out... for the most part.
Too much INT, killed the boss.
dark crag
the mage in the group has 65k int
wise frigate
strange python
how much health does he have
civic palm
But the Intellect gain was much more dramatic.
civic palm
Also, the guys tank had 160k Stamina, he had 500k or so.
marble hemlock
well, that pally had a bit more int too
wise frigate
Only a lil bit
wise frigate
Miniscule difference. Pretty irrelevant really.
civic palm
π
dark crag
whats the time in us?
spare cloud
Yes
civic palm
9:45pm EST
strange python
time zones π€
dark crag
maybe someone on us servers can ask the pala what he did
exotic glen
No its not lmao mizerok
I guess you are technically correct tho
Thought you meant that EST meant East Coast
civic palm
Not literally.
exotic glen
Me sorry
civic palm
This trinket is in the business of making you MONEY O _O
quick ice
Or costs money when it procs? π€
civic palm
Oh no!
strange python
not gold, actual american dollars
quick ice
Hopefully those are Venezuelan dollars
quick ice
Do they let you preview them still?
strange python
nothing atm
steep obsidian
has anyone even grinded enough to be able to test the traits properly?
seems way too much to be bothered and balancing is wrong like the way it id you'd never even get traits on heroic gear before you replace it with mythic gear
i guess balancing comes in a bit
quick ice
I mean, with raid not releasing right away we'll have time to grind out traits?
that'll help
how many azerite traits do we have per spec atm? I can't find the wowhead page
quick ice
exalted gear is 340 too, yeah?
steep obsidian
i just curious how the will balance shit
like levelling the neck atm is horrendously grindy
radiant fossil
Hi guys, if im at 4cp, do i need to mutilate to make a 5cp rupture/envenom ? or maybe FoK ?
fiery nest
No
civic palm
@steep obsidian Are there even traits on gear that you can access that are different from the leveling stuff?
civic palm
@marble hemlock Turns out there might be a way to get a 4th relic, causing a bit of an overflow.
steep obsidian
mythic dungeon gear is buugged and you can't even see the raits, the traits are there but they need a lot of levels to unlock on other gear even normal gear need a bit of grinding to unlock it
like the first level of traits
civic palm
yeah
civic palm
@marble hemlock Though he had ~1800 mastery and there's mastery on the weapon, so the idea that the relic overflowed the item level of the weapon and granted him those stats doesn't make much sense, things are not normally so choosy.
steep obsidian
faction or race change and it might move your toon
it rotates every 30 mins or so i think on beta
civic palm
Keep on being... awesome... Poison Bomb... yeah.
sharp viper
209 hits and not even 5%
civic palm
π
steep obsidian
needs more 15%
vestal wren
thats on beta or?
pb is supposed to deal less damage and have a lower impact, thats basically what ppl cried about
it would make no sense to make it high impact as this would end up in a live status
no
you just have the wrong perception on impact due to legion
4% dps is not negliable
marble hemlock
well, seeing how its in the aoe tier and RNG based, it should have, on average, the same impact as the other 2 choices, with the chances of having either more or less depending on RNG
should probably be on par with hidden blades, maybe slightly below it, since its a choice between not having to do anything and pressing a button every 40sec
vestal wren
thats a tough statement
stark heart
hidden blades is basically a passive, I can't imagine you not pressing FoK when enough enemies around
that is basically the problem of it
stark heart
it's tied to your builder which is core part of your rotation and holding it just feels shit
marble hemlock
yeah
stark heart
for ST it's just wait for full stacks, fire it
vestal wren
well its basically the same as lego back with all pros and cons of it
marble hemlock
well, theres no reason to hold fok as an assa rogue since except for vendetta, which is 1-target only, theres no possibility to line the 20-stack up with other abilities
stark heart
but I doubt you would do that in dungeons unless boss would take 40 seconds more to die
marble hemlock
id argue that you would use it on <20stacks so the 20stack lines up with your next vendetta
stark heart
it's such a minor gain on ST but boss fight is probably the only time you can hold stacks without gimping yourself
marble hemlock
yeah
well, if theres adds spawning you may want to hold it for that spawn, even if youre at 20 already
stark heart
I mean on ST you would use it but not on bosses in dungeon run probably
marble hemlock
so theres some min-max to it, which is pretty nice actually, even if it wont mean all that much
yup, gonna keep that 20stack and nightstalker-fok the next trashpack instead
turbid harbor
the only potential holding that would happen is say you have 3 targets, and you would want to fok without taking into account the talent, but you know 3 more ads are spawning in 20 seconds
marble hemlock
but agian, you can still use it early into the fight, you just need to time it properly so you dont overcap too much before you get to use it to its full effect the next time around
stark heart
I know that is why I said "could use if boss would take 40 seconds more"
but it being "burst" option doesn't really work in dungeons
marble hemlock
same with vendetta, youre gonna use fok during it the first time around, and depending on the final vendetta cd with azerite traits etc., youll just gonna use it sub-20 stacks once exactly 40sec before your next vendetta
it may not be a significant dps-increase but this sort of min-maxing still feels kinda nice
stark heart
I am really unhappy with HB tbh but don't think anything would change
marble hemlock
*10 more tries from method/exorsus
viscid helm
even the fucking 3 head dog
marble hemlock
you miss-typed
viscid helm
was like CT
stark heart
why you need ct on doge?
stark heart
does it have some other adds?
stark heart
oh so 1 fat blob?
stark heart
you should keep in mind that although CT might look good on meters you give up other finisher to use it, so its value is not just CT damage on meters
stark heart
1 big fok is at least bonus on pure ST unlike CT
viscid helm
it was almost unkillable on beta
stark heart
how often is adds spawn?
stark heart
sounds like good timing for HB tbh
if it's 45-50
maybe not so good if it's minute
50 seconds would be awesome for HB + TB I think
stark heart
imgaine holding HB + Exs for that
the only CDs I can see lining up well is MfD + TB combo
viscid helm
i hate the 90 row
stark heart
think our very early results showed TB > Exs
and I didn't do good lining up of MFD + TB
because it's supposed to be ST row
old VR worked on AoE and worked quite well
viscid helm
ye MFD should be the only way to get 3 envenoms in
stark heart
yeah you like TB - Env - Mfd + Env - muti to 3rd Env
and with low stats that is probably the only way to make TB work
viscid helm
stark heart
it's slow AF anyway
stark heart
vigor is not as potent now imo since bleeds are hasted
warm parcel
Id always pick mfd anyway
All bosses have adds
And mfd is perfect for swapping that again is present on every boss
marble hemlock
13% melee damage is something thats actually scaring me
viscid helm
that melee would be higher normally probably
the boss has some shit mechanics
force you out
marble hemlock
that why he has a blue color, cause hes playing mage?
warm parcel
π―
marble hemlock
who would want to play mage
stark heart
who would want to play rogue in BfA tho
(inner Flowi is awake)
tbh I'd trade TB for KB any day
or just make KB baseline please
π¦
viscid helm
^
warm parcel
Or move to the dark side
warm parcel
mage
viscid helm
warm parcel
viscid helm
3 mages
viscid helm
ye
warm parcel
I enjoyed the very first iteration on alpha
viscid helm
they just gave colossus smash to DH
warm parcel
And Its just better now
viscid helm
stark heart
dank slash?
viscid helm
who is excited for another round of beta tests next week
viscid helm
i like how last test was 50min spent on trash
out of 2h test
like why the fuck do you test trash on mythic tests?
when they run full normal raid on weekends etc
stark heart
did you enable war mode?
wide badge
that 0.8% is from live?
steep obsidian
it does fuck all damage on beta
steep obsidian
nice for what?
marble hemlock
well
when theres 10mobs
all with dots and you foking constantly
it seems to be fairly nice, but ive just done one run with it so far
and brh isnt exactly the best case since theres only huge pulls
zealous dew
π
warm parcel
Rppm doesnt care if you attack 50 times in 10 seconds ore once
marble hemlock
not entirely sure if this is actually rppm tho
warm parcel
Regular .7 rppm
zealous dew
well you just need to proc it once per pack
turbid harbor
itβs one of the few trinkets where you donβt want a second proc until the first one has ended, luckily it has such a low proc rate that it shouldnβt happen without a large break in the dungeon
willow cedar
On Beta is PB shit? Don't have beta 8-(
viscid helm
no
true ingot
Scaling.
vapid moth
I enjoy this beta talk without me having to physically get in the game and see shit for mtself
vestal wren
you do
chrome geyser
Hey guys, on single target rotation page, it says:
Use finishers at 4+ combo points. When both bleeds are up use Envenom at .
it is missing how many CP to use envenom at -- is it 3+?
chrome geyser
the second sentence dude.
viscid helm
i did my best
chrome geyser
it's a qualifying statement
chrome geyser
okay, and the part about envenom?
chrome geyser
I get that guys... the sentence leads you to believe that envenom will be treated differently when all bleeds are up.
otherwise why else would it be singled out.
jovial kite
@fervent beacon π€£π€£π€£
dire spoke
@chrome geyser It's not left out because sin is a DoT class and if you're maintaining your DoTs aka bleeds are up you use other finishers
chrome geyser
yeah id really like to hear from the authors if possible.
supple hearth
π€
chrome geyser
I remember this number used to be 3+ back in the day.
supple hearth
@chrome geyser what everyone is telling you is correct
dire spoke
lol
jovial kite
@fervent beacon
stark heart
jovial kite
supple hearth
Also notter's been pinged now dont need to do it a million times lol
@viscid helm careful there π
viscid helm
supple hearth
dire spoke
watch ur perjoratives
supple hearth
^
strange python
To be fair, that sentence doesn't make any sense. When both bleeds are up use Envenom at .. At what?
chrome geyser
exactly what im saying @strange python
jovial kite
Dam
chrome geyser
@gusty kestrel no longer really need your comments.
It was an honest question to the people that wrote it, about clarification.
you keep typing, ill bbl
jovial kite
supple hearth
he's actually literally confused no need to make it worse by throwing in disinfo into the truth you've already told him
dire spoke
he is not confused, he just don't believe random ppl - even if he's asking random ppl
fervent beacon
I think Don changed it but I'm going to leave it anyway
shrewd night
Naya 
jovial kite
Naya 
wise frigate
12 btw
exotic glen
you guys remember that holy paladin doing 9mil dps on heroic argus yesterday?
his adventures are continuing
naive bison
he soloed it or what?
strange python
yeah. looks like it.
strange python
the 'healer' category on raider.io bugs out sometimes.
sometimes it thinks a blood dk is the healer
I'm not sure what it would think if someone solo'd a run
naive bison
yeah im pretty sure its just the site being buggy and showing him as holy
vapid moth
In place of my favorite βrβ word :/
strange python
that's not necessary man
vapid moth
No one else said it. Itβs very necessary
naive walrus
Does Nighstalker works with Shadowmeld ??
naive bison
i fkng hope not
strange python
no
vapid moth
No it doesnt
naive walrus
OK, is there any usefull trick for shadowmeld ?
vapid moth
Not in raids
naive walrus
is it usefull at all ?
strange python
in mythic plus you can dodge some mechanics with it.
vapid moth
In M+ you just gotta stealth right after shadowmelf
naive bison
can you just get a restealth with it? i play horde so idk
vapid moth
It works 50/50 for me. Make sure you arenβt standing in any pools and are not about to be hit by anything. Iβm still tryna get better with it
naive bison
that sounds really strong if you can get a shoulders proc out of it
naive walrus
doging shit, losing treat, ok, thx mates
nah, shoulder proc is not working
though Nightstalker works
vapid moth
Stealth gives you the shoulder proc. Just gotta use it right after clicking shadowmelf
naive bison
i mean if you meld and then actually stealth for real after
naive walrus
aaaa, right
chrome tuskBOT
Alright, @vapid moth has been warned because '** don't personally attack someone like that**'.
vapid moth
Wooooah. Brobot does stuff on his own now? Good for you man
Ya didnβt have to delete the insult tho. Now itβs not worth the warning
spare cloud
xaethron ban when
void pecan
That is the question
warm parcel
What other typos/confusing sentences are there?
supple hearth
I think it was just triggering chogs that the sentance had an "at" at the end. It was throwing him off.
fair sluice
pd
warm parcel
Ye I noted that from the convo. I asked for more
chrome geyser
kk, dropped out for a bit, thanks
lone junco
@exotic glen there arent any logs with hpal dps. above 1.4m on argus. Figure he got purged for log problems?
fiery nest
@lone junco it's here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hBJ9dpC1m7QDMwVN#fight=80&type=damage-done
trim dirge
he's knowingly doing this so i assume blizzard will do something about it
exotic glen
@lone junco think its just a private log
faint sleet
Does anyone know how assa is doing in BFA dungeons relative to the other specs?
spare cloud
Yes
civic palm
Ditto
dire spoke
No
little hinge
I just realized why I was having so much trouble with the Ass tower challenge. It's because I'm a motherfudging scrub who didn't comprehend that you could have two poisons on at the same time! Throws computer out of window
So yeah, only had leeching poison on >.>
void pecan
Woops
marble hemlock
bad RNG
cedar gust
hey guys , is flame wreath cloakable?
exotic glen
Yes
spare cloud
Yeah I had to leave early for sellrun
spare cloud
Wait you got to champion gundyr
exotic glen
yeah ofc
exotic glen
yeah think its like +7
the upgrades i needed to lvl it was something i got right before i stopped tho so could get more
spare cloud
guess you chose a shitty weapon then 
exotic glen
idk i asked a series vet about which weapon to use so π€·πΏ
spare cloud
what sword are playing
exotic glen
anyways i asked you on stream but since you were gone i guess you didnt hear
spare cloud
I didn't check exactly
exotic glen
longsword i think its called?
anyways, when im done with the game, we're gonna be having some duels on stream
spare cloud
I mean pretty much every weapon is fine
exotic glen
so if you wanna whoop my ass as well, you can try
exotic glen
and you think i dont?
spare cloud
idk
But yeah every weapon is fine
I'd use smth like sellsword twinblades on my first playthrough though
the dps are insane
and play dex/str
dire spoke
#off-topic pls hellon't
spare cloud
You should have more than enough
to get like 4 weapons up to 7
until now
only problem is to get the 9->10 upgrade
civic palm
Yeah the lategame stuff is much more rare.
spare cloud
because there are only like 5? you can get during 1 playthrough
that is with all dlcs
exotic glen
interesting
spare cloud
do you have the 2 dlcs?
spare cloud
You should really play ashes though
spare cloud
it should be right in your level zone
exotic glen
yeah, im gonna
spare cloud
well it scales upwards
I think
not 100% sure though
Yeah
a little later than 60 :^)
tired thistle
So i have a relic with 3rd tier vendetta but its 10 ilvls lower than the relic i just got it techincally sims just a bit higher than the 960 relic but do the sims take into account the Crit mastery we get from the wep ilvls?
steep obsidian
weapon ilvl does not mean that much in legion
trust the sim
we arent like casters with a billion agi and stats on our weapons either
tired thistle
Ok was just thinking the extra Crit mastery meant something
steep obsidian
well it does but traits are more important
exotic glen
it does, but not much compared to 3rd MA relic
tired thistle
Ahh ok i only have it one two right now
exotic glen
oh right you wrote 3rd tier got it
steep obsidian
two isn't actually a dps increase over 1 in the sims 3 is a huge upgrade
normally
tired thistle
Noticed
steep obsidian
dpending on other traits
exotic glen
depends a bit i think
spare cloud
sim
exotic glen
iirc 2MA being a 0 dps increase only happens with shoulders on a 5minute sim
spare cloud
its not 0 dps increase
I think its like a really really low increase
if played correctly
the thing is it kinda desyncs your other cds with vendetta
tired thistle
Ahh tha makes sense then why the two isnt a good increase
tired thistle
Yeha the relics i have are like 30k DPS Diff
spare cloud
thats pretty big
tired thistle
Yep thats why i was asking about the crit mastery thing
Figured maybe the 990 Weps would make a diff clearly not
spare cloud
sim does take weapon itemlevels into account
so the stats to go along with it as well
tired thistle
Ok thats what i was wondering
spare cloud
if youre troubled with that you can put the stat changes in manually
livid moss
When it says "use on cd" for Toxic blade, Kingsbane and Vendetta, do i need to combine them for like big burst or do I literally just use them when they pop up
exotic glen
what the fuck is that name
livid moss
i mean i can fit like 2 toxic blades in between vendetta, and one kingsbane but theres like an excess 12-15 seconds Toxic blade is down and like 10 for kingsbane waiting for vendetta to pop
is it worth waiting for the vendetta to pop
exotic glen
if you arent playing some obscure CDR based build, your cooldowns should usually line up by themselves
supple hearth
@exotic glen we'll just call him eggplant
spare cloud
I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you're trying to say
exotic glen
eggy
supple hearth
Eggy-chan
spare cloud
You should get a toxic blade into the vendetta
in that case
and there is no way you can get 2 toxic blades into vendetta
I can proof that
spare cloud
Yeah you can easily get 2 toxic blades between vendetta
but why would you delay 15 seconds for vendetta
like think a little
if you use it instantly then you can use it at 10 secs of vendetta duration again
exotic glen
this is why i enjoy having only 1MA relic no boots
vendetta lines up perfectly with tb ππΏ
every time
exotic glen
every cast or?
spare cloud
I think someone made a sheet about it
exotic glen
i'd like to see that
spare cloud
But like you should always get a full toxic blade into every vendetta
But yeah I think it lines up better with 3
like whats the cd with 3? 1 Minute and 30 seconds?
exotic glen
checking
drifting cloud
1min30 wat
its like 1:10 if not less
I wouldnt know since I havent had 3 since EN π‘
exotic glen
1:08
exotic glen
1:16
drifting cloud
its dr
spare cloud
Yeah I thought so
drifting cloud
its like 10/10/10/8/6/4/2 ?
exotic glen
? no?`
drifting cloud
not sure about last 2
spare cloud
its 52 on 7
spare cloud
what are the ones before then
that would make sense
40 base then 4 for every trait
would be 52
drifting cloud
nah theyre not the same
7.1.5 with 6 levels: 10/10/10/8/6/4 (total 48s reduction)
7th is prolly 4 aswell
drifting cloud
well im guessing tbh dont remember if it got changed again after that
spare cloud
nobody who knows is here 
exotic glen
assa discord in a nutshell
exotic glen
i like the pre-raid content π¦
exotic glen
lvling and dongers
exotic glen
idk about you but i got alts
spare cloud
2 chars is day 1
drifting cloud
sure but I dont usually lvl them up at start
spare cloud
3rd char is day 2
4th char is day 3
5th char is day 4
6th char day 5
thats all mine
spare cloud
Might as well get them all out of the way
the annoying part is catching up
so just keep them up to date
barely any time investment
drifting cloud
should be ez in bfa
spare cloud
they dont need to be super geared or have anyhting done except main and alt
rest can basically chill out and fill time
when there is nothing to do
spare cloud
Yeah
the problem is getting chars up to date late in the expansion
thats annoying as fuck
rather have a set schedule and do 2 hours of work every day
than do 14 hours to catch up for 3 weeks
inflated numbers but you get my point
drifting cloud
you need 1 alt for your guild I guess?
spare cloud
Yeh we need 1 main + 1 alt
drifting cloud
personal loot fiesta cant wait
spare cloud
I'm actually thinking of rolling like 1 main 1 alt then as other chars same class as my main
and then hope for luck on 1 char
drifting cloud
what get tf from heroic pugs? ;d
spare cloud
Nah but if they are ready I can play same class on split
if it comes to that
they would be ready at least
drifting cloud
did m+ open on heroic or mythic week
it was heroic but capped loot right? something like that
can expect the same again
spare cloud
We will see
drifting cloud
not gonna spend 1 gold on boes, so pointless
drifting cloud
ez 5mil mount
drifting cloud
yeah but +1 mount count
exotic glen
lmao what are you talking about
spare cloud
I'm not a huge collector
exotic glen
AH mount is probably the best feature ever
exotic glen
you can get a big ice cream for that gold
shrewd night
Gimme ur gold fam
spare cloud
5M is actually just 200 euros
drifting cloud
yeah I rounded it up
exotic glen
still more than venezuelan currency omegalul
drifting cloud
well im not sure of the exact price
spare cloud
Yeah but like 5 Mil are nothing nowadays
I know people who sit on multiple hundred millions
drifting cloud
I dunno id say 20mil is still decent amount of gold to have
spare cloud
I mean some people make their living out of that stuff...
drifting cloud
just because some people have hundred id still say average is below 3 easily
π
spare cloud
the average is probably below 1
drifting cloud
lets say average of people that actually play the game moer than 30h a month
I dunoo how people are so poor
steep obsidian
grinding ap again is going to be fun
spare cloud
drifting cloud
too bad everything in this game costs either 5mil+ or 200k
steep obsidian
i have about a 1.2 mill gold or something
i wasted 1 mill gold on destiny 2 coz friends were gonna play it
what a waste
i did already buy expac with gold
cuz why not
spare cloud
playtime until 2020
drifting cloud
but thats a new thing since like a month ago
steep obsidian
was expecting token price to take a hit with cod zombies thing
but maybe peopel dont give a shit about that game
drifting cloud
it jumped for 40k and dropped back 1 day later on eu
steep obsidian
destiny seemed to spike the token price
drifting cloud
same as always
drifting cloud
I dunno I was legit 0 or - gold when legion launched
I guess at the end you always regret not actually farming
since I never boosted m+ for example which was easy gold at some points
steep obsidian
i dis sales in hfc
nothing in legion
doing m+ carry didn't really seem worth the time but prolly is now
vapid moth
I only have 2 char. Gold missions only bring in do much
celest fable
how is sin (and rogues in general) feel in bfa
if sin and outlaw feel good then i may go rogue
i care little about damage, just gameplay
dire spoke
sin plays like a okay lvl20 toon, otl is actually pretty smooth
sub with the last ST talent will be fine too I'm guessing
dire spoke
If I told you it's all shit you would go play something else? 