assassination

[strange python]

never mutilate at 4 cp

[iron nimbus]

Even with the mantle? I must have read bad info on openers

[dire spoke]

what is this opener

[spare cloud]

Especially with mantle

I cant look at it because im outside

[dire spoke]

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[iron nimbus]

ok, cool. Opener is an easy fix with a little practice

[spare cloud]

Im assuming envenom uptime is bad during kingsbane

Also envenoms during toxic blade

And only use vanish with vendetta

[iron nimbus]

Yeah, I'm really working on combo point efficacy

[spare cloud]

Dont finish at 4 only

[strange python]

yea, second vanish was in the middle of nowhere

[spare cloud]

5*

Finish with 4

[steep obsidian]

i was about to say that connor

[keen inlet]

Y'all want a laugh?

[spare cloud]

No

[steep obsidian]

but it also mean he got an extra vanish in the fight

[spare cloud]

Don thats offtopic

[steep obsidian]

but yeah sync thing normally

[spare cloud]

Please go there

[steep obsidian]

with vendetta

[keen inlet]

Technically it's outlaw

[spare cloud]

Then go there

This is assa

Were busy here helping out a fellow rouge

[keen inlet]

k

[strange python]

kill time is slow which has big impact on parses. most top parses kill the boss in 3 minutes or so. so dont be too harsh on yourself

[steep obsidian]

get ma/malch relics for poison build

[spare cloud]

Killtime doesnt matter for now

Gameplay is important

[strange python]

sure, but if someone is hung up on parse %, it should be mentioned

[steep obsidian]

peopel shouldnt be that hung up on parse 6 month in

[spare cloud]

Yeah to make them think oh im playing well its just killtime

[steep obsidian]

some of my best parse i played like shit and made huge mistake but i got lucky with pb

[spare cloud]

Isnt that all your parses

[steep obsidian]

yeah

[strange python]

Fix the opener, work on vanish, dont waste cps - not much else, I mean

[steep obsidian]

i pug half the time so if i say hey dick i padding for parse you do the mech

we wipe

coz no one does

[spare cloud]

My logs are just pb luck as well

I feel you

If im not good at the game i just have to get good at being lucky

[steep obsidian]

same

i never claimed to be good

[spare cloud]

I was joking no offense

[fervent beacon]

@keen inlet Did you just make fun of outlaw?

[spare cloud]

Because the specc is a joke

[strange python]

oh im playing well it's just poison bomb

[steep obsidian]

i don't take offense if anyone says i am shit

i agree

[spare cloud]

Ofc you make fun of it

[keen inlet]

I made fun of myself

[fervent beacon]

i do too

because i can't hear the joke

[keen inlet]

I got a 100 ilvl parse (of two parses, btw)

15% overall

[spare cloud]

How do you go on dates with grills

[keen inlet]

snd

[spare cloud]

Do you tell them in advance

[keen inlet]

no you spec snd and then teleport behind them

[strange python]

off topic, no grills in here

[spare cloud]

Or do you take full advantage of it to get bjs

[keen inlet]

and tell them it's nothing personnel

also yeah Toph get that off-t outta here

[dire spoke]

@iron nimbus first of all you're not holding Vanish for Vendetta which is false - in heroic you get to Vanish only twice most of the time so it's even worth holding it for 30% with your wrists - and do an non-vanish Vendetta in the middle. Then you should try to clip your poisons (or at least SoT 100%) while Kingsbane. And work around Toxic Blade better, you should use Envenom as often as possible while its uptime (2-4 wanted) ... and even if the fight seems over, just fire off CDs to cheese some damage in https://i.snag.gy/YGib8l.jpg

[spare cloud]

Immunity checking in

My bus is late

Not sure if i should go to the train and probably miss both

[strange python]

you also need to get your 4 piece ASAP

[spare cloud]

4pc is huge

[strange python]

didn't even notice

[dire spoke]

also wears only 4/7 MAss - maybe get a 5th

[steep obsidian]

toph were you being very mean

[spare cloud]

?

[steep obsidian]

dw

[spare cloud]

What kind of question is that

[steep obsidian]

i missread something yo usaid offtopic anyway

[spare cloud]

Ok

Gj

[iron nimbus]

Hey thanks for all the help everyone. I'm in a meeting but I will definitely make a list of all the pointers tonight. Hopefully I will get better performance soon!

[dire spoke]

better tag everyone

[spare cloud]

@everyone

[drifting cloud]

[exotic glen]

@spare cloud

ping

[supple hearth]

#off-topic @spare cloud since I've been warning others as well not gonna leave u out just cause we are kpop soul sisters. Please keep the pinging memes in off topic and not in every channel cough perelman cough

[spare cloud]

Is that a warning?

[steep obsidian]

are pings disabled?

mabe i have this channel muted

[strange python]

10 argus kills in 1hr 45min

I love reset day

[iron nimbus]

@dire spoke That screenshot is really useful. I can definitely see what you're all talking about now. Also, it seems I was doing a crappy version of the exsang opener (I don't know what I was thinking either). Do you all think its worthwhile to practice on a training dummy or should I just practice in a live environment (LFR)?

[dire spoke]

You can practice the opener on the dummy and get a feeling for your CD alignments - how you're gonna play around mechanics you need to tune for each boss

Like, hit the dummy for 5min and see how it feels to delay Vanish for Vendetta

[steep obsidian]

practice wherever and whenever you can until you can do things without even having to think about it

[iron nimbus]

I think this line"• Use Vanish to apply rupture as often as possible if specced Nightstalker." in the rotation guide threw me on lining up vanish and vendetta

[dire spoke]

this line doesn't fit your build in any way since you wear mantle

[steep obsidian]

mantle with xsang build?

[iron nimbus]

ah, yeah mantle is super new. Only had it a week or so (of course it was my last lego)

I ran wrist boots forever

Also, is t20 2p crazy powerful or something? my sims keeping telling me to toss that back on for a 0.5% increase, but its a 11 ilvl drop (and brings me back to wrist boots legos)

[dire spoke]

It is for bleed with high crit

like 50% base

but you don't have MAss relics so ignore that dps increase

[iron nimbus]

I'm beginning to hate those relics. No drops. Ever.

[dire spoke]

You can keep an eye on that build but you most likely going to get gear faster and bigger numbers for poison - because of the strict requirement for bleed

[mossy olive]

Hi there folks, got some questions.

Any tips for mythic Argus? Doing Sass for guild since we need extra single target.

[spare cloud]

Dont kill other people

[dire spoke]

You can dodge scythe with evasion

[silent parcel]

Which leggos should I use in m+?

[lone junco]

Shoulder bracer.

[spare cloud]

Sublety

[jovial kite]

@spare cloud wheres my daily bubble pop

[marble hemlock]

stop spreading lies toph

[spare cloud]

🤷

[zealous dew]

he's right

sub is king for +15 weekly

[fiery nest]

what's the amount of crit recommended to go bleed build, and do you just need high crit or is there other gear you should get before switching?

[strange python]

at least 40%, and you want 7/7 master assassin so every exsang lines up with vendetta.

[fiery nest]

rip i only have 6/7 but i can get 45%+

[strange python]

I'm not a bleedy boi so I'm not sure how it plays out without 7/7

6/7 is ok

@fiery nest

youll find yourself pushing energy really hard to get it to align

and delaying exsang about 1-2s

[sour crown]

Could someone help me set up a weak aura?

I haven't played in a while, trying to set one up to manage Ruptures duration

I've set it up exactly like i would any other dot, copying some from my Priests dots, obviously using Rupture

Everythings set up the exact same minus the name, but my Rupture one won't seem to give me a timer

I'm wondering if it's because I'm using the wrong spell ID? because i intially typed rupture but it gave me the icon for something completely different

[strange python]

that's probably it

[sour crown]

Where can i find the spellid?

The one i got from wowhead, [spell=1943] is the one that isn't working

[plain thistle]

just use the name "rupture"

[sour crown]

The icon appears in combat when i apply rupture, it's just not showing the timer for some reason

[dire spoke]

Using the name can be a bad idea

[sour crown]

I've done that, but it shows this

[plain thistle]

not a problem in that case

but its not showing the timer because its probably showing other things like stacks

[dire spoke]

if the spell ID isn't working you did something different wrong

[plain thistle]

you need to change that in the "display" tab

[dire spoke]

like not selected debuff on target

or something

[sour crown]

This is my how my SW:P is setup and it works

[plain thistle]

but you can select a aura for that from templates

[sour crown]

hang on a sec

[plain thistle]

no need to change anything, just go with templates

[sour crown]

and this is my rupture

The SW:P hasn't even got remaining time ticked but it still shows a timer

[dire spoke]

rupture is 1943

so 🤷🏻

[sour crown]

Figured it out

i'm a twat nevermind

[strange python]

what was it

[sour crown]

Didn't have cooldown tickd

[plain thistle]

you can use cooldowns or just %p on the display thing

[sour crown]

ticked cooldown and started displaying

[plain thistle]

with %p you can change size, position, font, color, etc

[sour crown]

yeah messing with all that now

Ok cheers 😄 got it all sorted now

[dire spoke]

you can set pandemic color change at 7s in another tab

forgot what it's called

[plain thistle]

condition

[sour crown]

Ah that's a bit complex for me 😛

I'll just memorize the duration i can pandemic it from

[dire spoke]

it's 2 clicks and one input

[sour crown]

I'm a pleb, I'd mess it up.

[fiery nest]

@strange python ok thanks, also is there a snapshot picture of the bleed opener like the poison one that gets shown a lot here? i'm looking at the guide and not seeing it. also how do you play around BotA?

[dire spoke]

You mess it up and just redo it nice improving motivation

[strange python]

I neglected to mention that 2 piece tier 20 is ideal

[dire spoke]

^ 930 or lower >can< replace 960 there

[civic palm]

👋

[heavy plover]

Someone wanna help me get a beta key, i need a good caption for this photo

[jovial kite]

''Ill sell you boost for Cutting Edge son''

[civic palm]

I don't do sloppy seconds.

[heavy plover]

I wanna involve the dwarf somehow

[civic palm]

Look I know she's boosted... just... this once?

[jovial kite]

"See that dwarf son? I boosted him CE 2 weeks ago, now he has beta"

[heavy plover]

lmao

[civic palm]

I can't understand you, speak Orc.

I can't understand you, speak Common.

I CAN HEAR BOTH OF YOU IDIOTS, YOU'RE NOT THAT CLEVER.

[exotic glen]

brokeback mountain: the prequel

[dire spoke]

you're like pewdiepie, no original content

[heavy plover]

I went with "we both know one of us is dying this expansion"

I'll letchu know if i win

[dire spoke]

iwin

[void pecan]

F

[viscid helm]

is an idiot

[jovial kite]

[keen inlet]

[strange python]

@fiery nest sorry I'm at work, so i didnt see your message. There is one in the guide, its the furthest to the right

you dont play around bota, you can fish for procs of it during your bracer exsang

if you want, but its feast or famine

if you dont commit you're delaying the exsang and if you fish and still dont get bota you wasted that energy and the combo points

[fiery nest]

yea the one in the guide says no shoulders 🤔

wait do you not play shoulders with bleed

[turbid harbor]

no

boots 3ma lines exsang with vendetta

and bracers are bracers

[fiery nest]

😮

[turbid harbor]

and using 2/5 globals of your crit window on casting rupture and exsang isn't too good

[fiery nest]

thats true

[plain thistle]

and you want T20 2p with good ilvl

4 p + 2p , you cant even think about shoulders 😛

to be honest, you can play without shoulder even for poison build, and its better in some cases 🤷

[wary reef]

For that picture, "Ur Mom gay"

[ripe nimbus]

O.O

[dire spoke]

nice shit trait

[ripe nimbus]

traits wont matter once pre patch hits only ilvl

so oh well 😛

[civic palm]

Assuming you will even be using that weapon after pre-patch O _O

[ripe nimbus]

why wouldnt you, the ilvl of the wep can last you all the way to 116? the weapons arnt going away the traits are becoming de activated relics still a thing but only give ilvl and artifact turns epic.

40 ilvl dps loss greatgame fam lol

what ever putting it on anyway lol dat ilvl

[jovial kite]

what traits in first row

[exotic glen]

but those 200 dps man

[ripe nimbus]

serrated edge, murder intent, master alch

[jovial kite]

and what you ha

d

[ripe nimbus]

uhhh 945 master assaassin, master of shadows, master alch

my 985 shadow relic almost rolled perfect.. good enough i guess lol

[drifting cloud]

its because you have 3 ma

and when it goes down to 2 the 2nd one becomes 0 dps trait

(in a 5min sim)

[exotic glen]

isnt that in strictly a 5min sim

since no boss fight will last exactly 5 mins its still a dps increase even if small

[dire spoke]

my 985 non-MAss had the same output like my 940 MAss (7/7) 🤷🏻 so yeah

pretty sure I did 7min

[drifting cloud]

well his pebble has almost bis crucible

its just the base trait

and 1ilvl is worth like 3-4k dps for rogues

[delicate gull]

idk if you guys find sim questions annoying, but right now broken crown always comes ahead of bracers or boots for some reason, maybe cuz i only have a 915 tier helm? right now I have crown+shoulders cuz its simming roughly 10k higher, but should i just use bracers anyway since most fights have at least 2 targets to benefit from the execute?

[fiery nest]

2 targets isn't necessary to benefit from the bracers

[delicate gull]

well I get that, ill just play around with it, i think if i get a better helm then bracers will just be better anyways might as well play with em

[exotic glen]

depends what your other gear looks like and which fights you are doing

your helm ilvl might be a good reason why tho

[delicate gull]

what kind of stats do you guys have? I have 27% crit and that seems low, but 168% mastery

[strange python]

what is your ilvl? those are both kind of low

[exotic glen]

think i got 32% crit 220% mastery

[strange python]

yea I'm 35 212

[keen inlet]

what ilvls tho

compared to relaxc

[delicate gull]

I'm 950, no golganeth yet since this is my alt, but it would be 965 trinket if i got it

[keen inlet]

Yeah.

952 I was ~ 180 mastery with it on just about every slot possible

[delicate gull]

gotta optimize more i guess damn

[keen inlet]

I mean

[delicate gull]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen inlet]

yes, but also it depends on your difficulty

[exotic glen]

just get more ilvl man and listen to your raidbots stat weights

you sound optimized enough

[keen inlet]

^

[exotic glen]

for your ilvl

[delicate gull]

for sure, just need some upgrades

thanks guys

[exotic glen]

np

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hYCAJ9arN6QDyfb8#fight=16&type=damage-done&source=7 what did I do wrong here? 🤔

[exotic glen]

what makes you think you did something wrong

[strange python]

kind of meh for my item level

and I certainly don't sim for that #

[marble hemlock]

9TBs in a 3m44s fight seems fairly low

procrates seem decent, good bomb, 5botas, no concordance on pull but 3 in a row in execute

[exotic glen]

cant see any definitive mistakes, i compared your casts to mine on mythic and they were pretty much the same except i cheesed the add so 🤷🏿

[strange python]

sometimes you just have pulls that feel off

[lucid latch]

you're only supposed to have 1 or 3 vendetta traits right

"master assassin" traits right?

u cant have 2?

[fiery nest]

u can but it's not ideal

throws off the line up of vanish & vendetta

(makes u hold vanish)

[dire spoke]

it's not so punishing with boots-bracers - with mantle you should "avoid" it

[exotic glen]

iirc this only applies to playing shoulders on a 5 min fight

[lucid latch]

hmm

i cant really avoid it

[fiery nest]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

then it is what it is

[exotic glen]

then dont, no one is gonna kill you for it

[lucid latch]

cuz

look at the others

they look bad

[dire spoke]

you can simulate the relic on raidbots.com and input the traits it has manually

so you can avoid it

cruciweight is an indicator, but you should not blindly trust it - if you did simulate it there is no question to ask here

[lucid latch]

yeah i simmed it

its the "best"

just feels bad kidna

[fiery nest]

ull just be holding vanish longer

[dire spoke]

just loot another MAss

[drifting cloud]

< 1 MAss club since January

[dire spoke]

3 MAss is a blessing and hell

the increase is poggers, but finding upgrades is banjo

[exotic glen]

guyz

new beta build poggers

oh shit maybe blindside is worth pressing now Blindside Exploits the vulnerability of foes with less than 30% health, dealing [ 58.03% [ 65% of Attack Power ] Physical damage to the target. Mutilate has a 30% 25% chance to make your next Blindside free and usable on any target, regardless of their health

[steep obsidian]

wut?

that isnt a buff above 30%

[exotic glen]

im referring to the fact that mut did more dmg on average than blindside in execute range

[steep obsidian]

yeh

[exotic glen]

did they nerf outlul lmao

14%nerf

[steep obsidian]

blade flurry was doing a lot i think

i dont know coz i dont care about that shit

[fiery nest]

yea outlaw nerfed

[exotic glen]

shadow blades buff woo

[keen inlet]

BF was op

[exotic glen]

idk didnt watch any outlul players on beta

those are some disappointing changes tho

most of them are tooltip rewordings

[marble hemlock]

wait, subrogue gets mistweaver monk revival? 🤔

also @gusty kestrel tell your officers that im still waiting for a response on my application :<

nah its fine

next week is gonna be a bigass m+ blast anyway

nah

quaking bursting forti

but yeah

well, its bad with shit healers

and to be fair

ever since they changed how it ticks

its actually easier to handle

but yeah, gotta decide on a guild over this weekend i think

still not sure myself 😦

i may just withdraw all applications and be a free-spirit for a little longer

[exotic glen]

fml

@gusty kestrel wat guild you in

[drifting cloud]

hes in Myst

[dire spoke]

Mystic raiders

[marble hemlock]

zempai, did we do a mos15 together earlier, or was that someone else with the same nick?

[dire spoke]

it wasn't me

except the rogue was good, then maybe

[marble hemlock]

wat

[dire spoke]

lmao

no it wasn't me 😄

the rogue was muted in ts

[exotic glen]

just wanna stalk a bit

[dire spoke]

nothing much to stalk, boosted player

carried by gear

[exotic glen]

no

nothing can get close to our warlock in terms of disgusting item luck

you're getting close tho

[marble hemlock]

think i got you beat on disgusting items anyway :p

you dont even sim 2.4mil, do you?

pleb

[exotic glen]

me or tisumi?

[marble hemlock]

yes

[exotic glen]

multiple choice question

answers with yes

[marble hemlock]

thats the point

[exotic glen]

big joke

@gusty kestrel you need to ignore some more mechanics on argus

[marble hemlock]

why dont you get buffs p1?

yikes

get them anyway

thats what healers are for

is what flowi would say

nah

[steep obsidian]

that my old guild on mistress

[marble hemlock]

gotta pop skystep

and yell into voice

"SARGERAS RAGE COMING THROUGH"

[exotic glen]

vroom vroom

[marble hemlock]

actually thats better

vroom vroom rage coming through

[steep obsidian]

can't stop dps so people can drop fish must tunnel hard and wipe us

hrrrnnngggggggg

[marble hemlock]

only got 1 argus kill 😦

[exotic glen]

8 kills 73 percentile

lmao

[marble hemlock]

but it was a good one, so im happy

[exotic glen]

jk btw

i suck more

[marble hemlock]

thats pretty plebian actually

73

yikes

[exotic glen]

yeah argus is a really bad endboss in terms of loot

[marble hemlock]

great shame to family

[exotic glen]

literally no good items from him

[marble hemlock]

did you get disowned yet?

[drifting cloud]

tbh should just ban him from discord

[marble hemlock]

then again

youre playing

ep+insignia

or is that just some memebuild?

havent farmed in forever

my logs are all dogshit

except coven and argus

[exotic glen]

but its not your best log, therefore build sucks

many logic

[marble hemlock]

yea

shoulders are godawful

empty crown masterrace

[exotic glen]

😦

i like shoulders

except on coven

fuck that boss

[marble hemlock]

yeah

coven is bracer+boots dream

but you can only do a toptier parse there if you tank the girls close to each other

and if you get some decent shadowstorm rng

no need for alac there

can sustain with just 2 ruptures and a garrote

shouldnt have skipped the last farmraid we had before we disbanded though

985 portalkeeper belt and 985 garothi cloak dropped :<

[exotic glen]

you wouldnt have gotten them anyways

😄

[chilly marsh]

maybe not right place to ask but anyone know what is the druid discord ? starting one alt here 😃

[marble hemlock]

since i was the masterlooter, im fairly sure i wouldve :p

dreamgrove

@chilly marsh

noone wouldve objected either

not like crit/mastery items are in high demand

[chilly marsh]

TY guys

[marble hemlock]

i need higher ilvl malch/pk relics though 😦

[exotic glen]

pk relics eww

[fiery nest]

google.com -> druid discord

wew

[marble hemlock]

pk relics best relics

[exotic glen]

do you only play m+ or

[marble hemlock]

well, right now i do

since ive basically destroyed our raid

[exotic glen]

you did that singlehandedly?

[marble hemlock]

ye

[exotic glen]

gj

that takes skills man

[marble hemlock]

well, the other officers didnt wanna continue without me

so we just called it

[exotic glen]

maybe it didnt take skills after all

[dire spoke]

[marble hemlock]

😦

why you must hurt feelings?

[exotic glen]

what was wrong with the raid

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[exotic glen]

im an evil bastard

[marble hemlock]

we sucked, kinda

[exotic glen]

world rank?

[marble hemlock]

~700 i think, 2day guild

had #418 coven though

so yeah

things went downhill from there on

i mean we basically didnt have a reliable maintanking team ever since nighthold

think we had like 12 different maintank tryouts during tomb alone

apparently tanking in raids is hard

idk

[exotic glen]

i just remembered a clip of our old maintank on star augur going into moonkin affinity form and beginning to cast spells

[marble hemlock]

nice

we barely were able to find tanks that could do kingaroth bombs

like

id say

"dont do bombs"

and 2sec later you could hear in voice

"ill take 2 now"

[dire spoke]

I remember a clip of a monk going out of bounds and porting back to dodge something

[marble hemlock]

+reverb strike

and that happened like every second try on progress

[dire spoke]

was it some russian guild?

they got banned for that

[marble hemlock]

at the end i just hhad enough and did like 60% of the bombs myself

topquality maintanks

i mean

that was a nice strat tho

[strange python]

does anyone know how long someone can refund their money on paypal?

[marble hemlock]

liked that one more than method stacking darkness

and hoping enough people would survive

to finish the boss

[exotic glen]

weird place to ask but i think its like 1 month

[dire spoke]

ohh I remember the monk taunted and used his port to avoid some mechanic

[marble hemlock]

ye

[exotic glen]

which boss?

[marble hemlock]

he baited the add

[exotic glen]

kingaroth?

[marble hemlock]

outside

augur

[dire spoke]

star augur

it was fusion

[exotic glen]

oh yeah i remember that

[marble hemlock]

monk had transcendence outside

[strange python]

i sold my account and want it back without the money being refunded

[marble hemlock]

so he taunted boss

got the comet

ported out

to spawn add outside

so they didnt have to deal with that shit

do you also push children off their bikes?

[exotic glen]

should probably ask in a place where people know the answer insanitarious

[marble hemlock]

because thats a dick move

[dire spoke]

https://youtu.be/FlVjfxViVEE?t=6m4s

watch the minimap

[exotic glen]

yeah i remember

like how fucked are you in the head that you release the video as well

[drifting cloud]

everyone knew smth was fishy there

[exotic glen]

showing you exploiting the boss

[marble hemlock]

because they made fun of it

[drifting cloud]

they were like r15 and killed augur what like 4th

😄

after they got banned they made the video lol

[marble hemlock]

the boss was retardedly stupid tbh

[exotic glen]

i remember like WF tactics

they were fucked

[marble hemlock]

well, its first incarnation anyway

method literally

[exotic glen]

like 2-healing and solotanking

[drifting cloud]

wasnt elisande the same

literally 2 heals

[marble hemlock]

progressed the boss, dropped a darkness, and hoped like 18 out of 20 people would survive based on the individual 20% chance to not take damage

[exotic glen]

thats because if you do the mechanics on elisandre, the hps check isnt that big

[drifting cloud]

nah it also got changed didnt it

like augur

[marble hemlock]

eventually, yes

[strange python]

I miss that raid

[marble hemlock]

i dont

[exotic glen]

i miss agonizing poison 😦

[marble hemlock]

ye

[exotic glen]

raid was good but assa playstyle was better im

imo

[marble hemlock]

with our current gear wed be doing like 15mil+ envenoms

[exotic glen]

that would be so good

[marble hemlock]

kind of

would also feel incredibly bad if you dont get concordance procs

and do 9mil envenom instead of 15mil

[exotic glen]

just re-read what that insanitorious guys said because i didnt understand it initially

and what the fuck man

you dont do shit like that

[drifting cloud]

I mean

youre breaking tos already might aswell go full retard

[exotic glen]

might as well try and cheat 2 companies at the same time

him irl

[strange python]

my acc sold for 3k euro so im pretty sure thge guy who boiught it is more retarded

[drifting cloud]

ye threw paypal .. so he can claim anytime 🤔

[strange python]

it was through blazingboost

its been 2 months

so nah

[drifting cloud]

so what they change secret questions

then you get it back with vanilly cd keys

[strange python]

thats not how it works

[drifting cloud]

or does that still work

[strange python]

yo just send your id

and you get your acc back

[drifting cloud]

oh right since you cant change that info anymore

I remember where we had to change location so we could RAF

[strange python]

the acc was banned straight after he bought and i had to send my id through, unbanned insta

[strange python]

how to use

off cooldown?

[exotic glen]

dont

[civic palm]

👏 VALUE 👏

[safe matrix]

you disenchant it

thats how you use it

[strange python]

i mean.. its simming higher, replaces a 915. was just curious

[novel island]

Pretty happy after tonight

[lone junco]

@belzzzz#5293 I use the forgefiend in large m+ pulls. It's effectively a mastery stick tbh. If you were standing still you can just let the bombs go off. Or trigger them during shoulder. But they suck when the tank moves and bombs explode 10yds back.

Nice tag.

[civic palm]

What's the speed on Kingslayers? O_O

[main storm]

Have 25% crit. I should probably get more crit even if i lose some masteries.

[civic palm]

_>"

y so slow...

[solar willow]

Bcs they heavy af

[civic palm]

2.6 is a fucking SWORD speed though O _O

Also this exists now -

[barren lark]

i mean they are huge ass serrated daggers with a bottle of poison in them

[civic palm]

The Kingslayers are FAST in this case.

HA

[solar willow]

What is that

[bronze dragon]

does assass outperform sub in antorus this patch?

[nimble tartan]

QUICK WHATS TH EHOTTEST RACE FOR HORDE SIN IN BFA

[solar willow]

Probably zandalari transgender

[civic palm]

I think PBOMB got buffed...

[quick ice]

On beta it needs it, so hopefully yes?

[civic palm]

It's critting for over 2k atm before the crash > _>

Was like... 600-800 previously, though this might be just due to gearing, but that's a large jump for about only 10% more mastery.

[quick ice]

Anything that keeps hidden blades from being optimal ST :D

[civic palm]

Preeeeetty much.

[shrewd pine]

Inb4 CT st

They improved the proc rate for pb on beta didnt they

[civic palm]

Still 4% per CP.

At least from the tooltip

[heavy trail]

is the effec t on melandrus ring any good for assassin ?

[shrewd pine]

Wasnt it 2.5 on live?

[civic palm]

There was a new build today so I am only thinking of changes in the past 24 hours :3

[viscid helm]

What mastery % and lvl

@civic palm

[civic palm]

Servers murdered me.

[shrewd pine]

@heavy trail no and it has haste stat on it which is rly bad

[heavy trail]

Ok...

[civic palm]

32% mastery @ level 120

[viscid helm]

I mean avg hit was 1.7k with 30%ish mastery

On HC tests

[civic palm]

👌

Too many DCs now, nooope.

There seemed to be a large increase in PBOMB damage from leveling and having ~30% mastery and being 120 and having ~30% master.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

PBOMB during leveling with that mastery is flaccid.

[heavy trail]

Not bad got boots and wrists for assassin both in 10 minutes lol

head and wrists sim higher then boots and wrists by about 60k perhaps its because of my weak off piece in the head part ? (895 versus a 935 boots)

[quick ice]

yeah almost certainly

[solar willow]

No items linked yet🤔

It's 8 minutes after reset damn it.. link something

[zealous dew]

ded game

[solar willow]

So i had this question/gray area. I have both 960 EoC and Singed fang. EoC sims more but in a fight like PK or High Command should i be using singed instead?

[shrewd night]

PK no

Or rather

Im dumb

Disregard

Dont use eoc for either of those imo

[solar willow]

Im confused

[shrewd night]

If you stay down for platforms sure

'i got eoc now daddy, let me stay down'

[solar willow]

I mean im the clown who runs everywhere to do the debuffs so rip there on mythic atleast

I barely get to attack anyway lol

Once you do it once you're automatically the guy for it every run

[shrewd night]

I like my guild, dont do shit anymore. Dont soak on garothi, dont do stupid shit like PK buffs

All is 👌

[fiery nest]

Must be nice

[solar willow]

And im sitting here with green log on pk and imonar

Yes they send me to suicide at bridge 2nd crossing

[fiery nest]

What

Lmao why

[shrewd night]

Why dont they send a tank this late into the expansion

[quick ice]

yeah that's just weird

[solar willow]

Good lead

[shrewd night]

Edit that, son

[solar willow]

Yeah sorry

[fiery nest]

Yea that's just so anti-optimal it almost seems like a troll

Lul

[jovial kite]

guys

Guys

its the best day

[civic palm]

oh ye?

Looks like your name is the right color, so that's a start.

[jovial kite]

Yes

a start to a beautiful ting

[civic palm]

I like best day news.

[jovial kite]

skrrrrra

[civic palm]

o _o

[zealous dew]

why are you green?

[jovial kite]

Dunno

[zealous dew]

drunk already?

[jovial kite]

Prolly jose or notter changed it

[zealous dew]

ah ok

[jovial kite]

yes but psn dum

[civic palm]

o _o'

[jovial kite]

no

[wispy leaf]

🤔

[jovial kite]

You become 💩

not yella

[civic palm]

:nod:

[jovial kite]

🤣

[zealous dew]

good old H/v headpiece

kinda missed it

[jovial kite]

Het

The channel is ded

[shrewd night]

no u

[noble pumice]

so what is the pros of Sin over the other two specs i mainly play outlaw but might learn sin or sub

[viscid helm]

Its better

[noble pumice]

why tho

xD

like more skilled or what does sin bring to the table

that the other two cant

[viscid helm]

The only thing that matters

Dps

[shrewd night]

Do 1,3m as outlul

or 2m as sin

[noble pumice]

in a pvp situation?

[shrewd night]

Does this look like the PVP channel?

[noble pumice]

no

but it looks like the sin channel

lol

[viscid helm]

PvP is a minigame

Thats like talking about pet battles

[noble pumice]

pretty sure thats sin related 🤔

[shrewd night]

PVP channel is down there

meaning thats where you ask about pvp shit

[noble pumice]

right

they should rename this "PVE ONLY assassination"

is that right?

[shrewd night]

Yes

[noble pumice]

okay mr boss man

[supple hearth]

@noble pumice sin has poisons and bleeds that makes it very nice in rot comps. Locks and spriests in 3s. It's very very very strong at sustained pressure with a disc in 2s. In rbgs sin is the number one spec for team fights. Neither sub or outlaw are going to come close to the damage you can do and just like in arena they synergize very well with rot comp type teams that have spriests/locks/hunter/ele etc. You spread Ms reducing the amount of healing the entire enemy team will receive and you're a nightmare for healers.

[noble pumice]

@supple hearth thank you for answering properly i apprciate that alot ^.^

i dont uderstand why every1 is so anti pvp in a spec channel

i mean

ooohhhh

[shrewd night]

99,98% of the people in this channel wont know anything about PVP, hence youd get better, more accurate advice in the actual PVP channel

[supple hearth]

Assassination channel isn't specific to PvP or pve. But nobody is wrong to tell you to go to PvP. And nobody is wrong to ask sin PvP question here either. Up to the person on whether or not they will answer you but what sauna said basically most people in this channel are here for pve not PvP

Nobody is in the wrong in this scenario ;)

[viscid helm]

Can se get a channel called "minigames" ?

Can merge pet battles and PVP into it

When outlaw turns out to be the best spec

I can retire to pet battles

[supple hearth]

@gusty kestrel I'll answer for Don and say yes this is right ;)

Gottem

Ye

[onyx sigil]

Well... Outlaw is the best on beta right now. Time to fire up those pokeman.

[supple hearth]

Outlaw was best in legion beta too for a lot of things. Then it got to live 🙃

[viscid helm]

Outlaw is shit on beta

Will never be top spec

Just like BM hunter

To Brain dead spec

Ye

Outlul in dumbster

[supple hearth]

Bm hunter was top hunter spec in PvP for a time. What an awful meta. Hunters would hide behind pillars while their pets solod people.

[viscid helm]

Where it belongs

[onyx sigil]

Implying all 3 rogue specs aren't brain dead on beta.

[supple hearth]

Hehehehehe

Yeah it was not at all fun to play against

[onyx sigil]

Fighting demos locks is pretty similar. They should make the imps non-attakable or something. Half the benefit of the spec is it makes nameplates unusable.

[shrewd night]

I thought all PVPers macroed

EVERY

THING

[sharp nova]

opinion on using fok for 5th cp with 2pk traits?

[viscid helm]

Sim

[onyx sigil]

Can't use arena# in BGs or Warmode. Being able to FoK them would be nice, though.

[sharp nova]

i would, but im really not sure how to

[zealous dew]

apl foks on 3cp with 5+ pk

on 4 just finisher

[sharp nova]

🤔 will give it a try then

[hard gust]

does sin have kb in bfa?

[stark heart]

nope

[silent parcel]

Anyone that could help me with analyzing my logs?

[shrewd night]

Link them

[dire spoke]

[drifting cosmos]

kb was fun

had a good run in legion

[slim estuary]

Does cloak break argus mythic chains immediately

[jovial kite]

no

Vanish does

[viscid helm]

Cloak doesnt break it at all

Or make u immune to dmg

[slim estuary]

np, it wasw a q that came up in raid

[steep obsidian]

lots dont play shoulders on m argus though so they can vanish chains

which does break it

[viscid helm]

That sounds stupid af

[shrewd pine]

they dont run shoulders cuz they are running boots and wrists with 2t20+4t21

not to break chains

[viscid helm]

Rogue shouldnt break it anyway

[shrewd pine]

yea

[viscid helm]

Just sit till it runs out

Vanish doesnt even line with chains

[steep obsidian]

well ive heard quite a few say that

¯_(ツ)_/¯

maybe they were stupid as fuck but it worked for them

it sorta nice to not be tehtered to your vanish anyway

[shrewd pine]

they were full of shit yea, losing a lot of dps

just dont do that, such a bad idea

[steep obsidian]

is vanish a really huge deal without shoulders?

[exotic glen]

do you guys think i got lucky?=

[shrewd pine]

its not, but not using shoulders is a big deal

[turbid harbor]

it’s a couple million damage without shoulders

[viscid helm]

Using shoulders is irrelevant

Its a pointless DPS loss

Is the point

For no gain

[steep obsidian]

how much dps do you lose runningout with chains?

i dont even know

just curiuos

[viscid helm]

U dont run out

What

[steep obsidian]

ok

[shrewd pine]

dont run out, someone else runs out

[steep obsidian]

there ya go

[viscid helm]

Rogue has the best defensives

[shrewd night]

Same thing with people talking about saving cloak for second rend on Aggramar

[viscid helm]

U sit it

[turbid harbor]

how is that the same thing

[shrewd night]

It's dumb shit you shouldn't have to do

[viscid helm]

I cos the aoe

[shrewd pine]

having rogues cloaking rend decreases amount of people that need to soak and reducing damage on raid, since you are immune to the damage

[viscid helm]

No point not to

[shrewd pine]

that being said, you cloak first rend, not second

[viscid helm]

No

U cloak explosion

[shrewd night]

^

[shrewd pine]

for max dps, yea

[turbid harbor]

You cloak both if it lines up

[shrewd pine]

for reducing the amount of damage your raid takes, you dont

[viscid helm]

And IF there is cleave after explosion

U cloak last sec

[shrewd pine]

alternatively you can have rend and explosion line up

and immune both

[viscid helm]

So u can soak cleave as well

[shrewd pine]

cleave is tank mechanic

yo dont soak that

[viscid helm]

Cloak lines for explosions nicely

[shrewd night]

If a rogue soaking is the deciding factor for whether you kill it or not... wew lad

[shrewd pine]

its not deciding factor obviously

it helps tho

a lot

[viscid helm]

With current healthpools

Its irrelevant

[shrewd pine]

yea, nah

[turbid harbor]

The mechanic deals no dmg after nerf and we have so much more hp

That the boss is a joke

But I assumed we were talking about prog

[shrewd pine]

well, thats a good point

now its a fucking joke

[steep obsidian]

oh wow rankings are different on argus since lasttime i looked last time i looked pre nerf it was dominated by boots bracers, is that because its not as long a fight now so less in execute?

m argus i mean

[shrewd pine]

but before the nerfs, helping with soaks by double soaking

was a big deal

[viscid helm]

It wasnt

[turbid harbor]

The longer people have to get sick bombs in vanish window the better mantle is going to look

[viscid helm]

IF people did what they are supposed to

[sage geode]

is assa buffed on beta ?

[steep obsidian]

it was the last time i looked there were lots of logs using boots bracres and not shoulders

just a few now

[shrewd pine]

tuning hasnt been done yet, numbers on beta are irrelevant

[prime void]

It definitely wasnt a big deal

Sure it could help, but its not like it was necessary or even important

cloaking that is

[keen inlet]

I am way late to the party

As i cleared a marathon roic last night then went to bed

But what giggle and sauna said was accurate

The end

Lol

[viscid helm]

Mfw someone replies to half a day old post

[keen inlet]

mfw ppl pinging me at 2am

Don't sass me, sir

[marble hemlock]

can ping you now if you want

🤔

[keen inlet]

english pls

[hoary copper]

It says 4:45 this morning, you clearly should have been awake

[keen inlet]

[hoary copper]

Didn't you know that you're not allowed to sleep now that you're purple

[exotic glen]

[hoary copper]

think of it as baby training

[marble hemlock]

thats a good point actually

[jovial kite]

Thistle tea

[quick ice]

I distrust beverages that shade of yellow 😐

[hoary copper]

Slagg is green too

[quick ice]

I guess it has lacing so its probably beer

[jovial kite]

no

Its thistle tea

Regen 100 energy on use

[hoary copper]

Is that useable still at 110? I remember it at lower level

[viscid helm]

I drink it daily

[jovial kite]

@quick ice you dont drink beer from a narrow glass like thid

[echo estuary]

is that Porvoo? slaggjack

[jovial kite]

Yes

Howd you know

Nigga stole my metadata

[quick ice]

schooner in a bar here would be that narrow tbh

[echo estuary]

small town, been there

[jovial kite]

Beautiful during the summer

[jovial cedar]

some Finns in here?

[jovial kite]

o/

[jovial cedar]

Im French but I live in Helsinki 😄 Porvoo is great, cycling there this WE 😃

[jovial kite]

nice!

you should def visit the riverside

[echo estuary]

a frenchman living in helsinki, that doesn't make any sense

[jovial kite]

and old porvoo is great

old town*

[jovial cedar]

@echo estuary I know right

Finland is great though, not as many savages as in France

[jovial kite]

@jovial cedar where in helsinki do you live if you dont mind me asking

[jovial cedar]

actually Im in Espoo, around Leppävaara

[jovial kite]

🤢

espoo

[jovial cedar]

hahaha

[jovial kite]

what brought you to finland

[jovial cedar]

my wife 😄

[jovial kite]

dam immugrants steal our gurls

[jovial cedar]

she came to get me all the way back in France

we are just trying to enhance the gen pull 😄

[echo estuary]

let me guess, she came to Nice on a holiday seeking adventure

[jovial kite]

Or paris

[jovial cedar]

nope

study in Brittany (North West France)

another Erasmus couple, pretty standard nowadays I guess

[jovial kite]

you wifed her already?

[echo estuary]

i mean its quite a commitment leaving everything behind and going off across the europe on a whim, i probably wouldn't do it! best of luck m4dlib, some things are worth to pursue 😃

[crisp cipher]

hi guys

is there a specific channels where i can ask questions about rogue?

[shrewd night]

Don said I was correct blushu

[marble hemlock]

@echo estuary i mean if theres one thing in life to leave everything behind for and move across continents

its rank1 parses, right?

[echo estuary]

tell that to Snowden 😛 luckily, all you need is to play a class with minimal reliance on RNG and befriend a GM who is willing to let you cheese

[supple hearth]

@shrewd night same

[strange python]

Hmmm... so if I run War Mode in BFA while levelling, and just grind straight from 110 -> 120, it seems like if I'm quick about capping I likely won't even encounter any of the opposite faction.

so free 15% xp buff and PVP talents for levelling with zero risk

since they don't come over til minimum 112, but more like 120 for WQs and such?

[hoary copper]

@crisp cipher This is where you would ask about Assassination spec, there are channels for each spec. Also make sure you read the guide too, it may be answered there. Ask away, most of us dont bite unless asked

[mighty star]

Why does exactly 1 vendetta relic sim so well? Is it a byproduct of the sim fight length?

[quick ice]

its a combination of weird cooldown alighnments pretty much. I've been told even at different fight lengths it still pulls ahead

[exotic glen]

Vendetta and tb line up pretty well

[quick ice]

I think its vanish-related alignment issues for the 2MA relics?

[mighty star]

Does 3 vendetta relics still get this alignment?

So it's 1 or 3?

[frozen pecan]

ye it's 1 or 3

normally

3 vendetta relics + boots usually sims very well

[magic thorn]

Hello guys i just read the indepth guide about the rotation in the Pins. i didnt find or maybe i miss seen it but do i use rupture at 4 or 5 cp or can i do both ?

[exotic glen]

if you are at 4+ combo points, use a finisher

[steep obsidian]

there is an advanced bit if you playing xsang but yeah what that guy said

wasting cp isnt worth

[strange python]

hey is this good for assa

[zealous dew]

yeah it is

if only procced a decent ilevel

[manic vigil]

hey @strange python , eat shit

is that good?

[jovial kite]

[strange python]

@supple hearth can you ban this guy please this is a non toxic sjw discord

[jovial kite]

[manic vigil]

[jovial kite]

shoulda pinged jose for sjw effect

[strange python]

true

[haughty jewel]

Does our garrote and rupture snap shot our nightstalker and mantle dmg buffs?

[jovial kite]

[drifting cloud]

my name is saber im still trying so hard to be edgy until I selfimplode and get banned again 😁

[exotic glen]

only nightstalker snapshots, mantle is dynamic

[manic vigil]

such reformed, very good boi saber

[jovial kite]

@haughty jewel snapshots ns

[strange python]

who even are u dont talk to me or about me thanks

[haughty jewel]

@exotic glen @jovial kite ty

[jovial kite]

But mantle buff works for the duration of the buff only

so you cant snapshot it

[exotic glen]

thats what i meant by its dynamic

[jovial kite]

yeah just elaborated

Not everyone knows what dynamic means in this instance

[exotic glen]

gut boi

[sage geode]

is assa buffed on beta now ?

[civic palm]

Servers crashed too much last night for me to check.

[hoary copper]

buffed from what they were on beta or buffed from live now?

[civic palm]

Changes from previous build.

[hoary copper]

he's asked it a few times today and before. Its too early to tell in general though as someone said earlier

[shrewd night]

The definition of insanity is that dude btw

Ask enough times and youll get a different answer

[hoary copper]

Whats the bis leggos btw?

🤔

[nimble tartan]

any cute rogue girls in chat today

[jovial kite]

herro omr san :3

[exotic glen]

no

im ugly girl

sorry

[warm parcel]

nice eoc

now 👉 🚪

[nimble tartan]

🤤

[craggy kindle]

OwO

[stark mirage]

my guild is starting raidtesting today, does anyone have a decent assa wa?

[fallow bobcat]

Hi guys. I have a rogue I play and currently trying to learn how to use AoE properly. So my question about that is that all I need to do is spam FoK and Envenom rinse and repeat? Let me know if that is incorrect

[novel island]

Top priority for AoE, Pray for PB

[marble hemlock]

you will want to cast a few rupture to sustain energy, apart from that your maingoal is to keep up envenom/vp as much as possible (should be close to 100% on aoe) and use fok as a builder, yes

[exotic glen]

reee was about to have a really good aggramar parse for once

then ofc i went and got myself killed like a mong

[fallow bobcat]

So based on mobs quantity, put a rupture on each one? @marble hemlock

and sorry what’s the vp? I cant recall an ability from rogue except for Vendetta

[hoary copper]

No, put it on probably one or two if they will last enough for the whole duration

[dense quest]

Your 4 pc tier prooc

Basically your envenom

[fallow bobcat]

Yeah critical chance returns energy back. I dont have 4 PC yet trying to get it so I can do sustain damage. Thanks! All clear to me now

[marble hemlock]

sry, was semi-afk. yeah, you dont wanna rupture all mobs unless its only like 3-4. once you hit like 6+ mobs you rarely need more than 1-3 ruptures to sustain energy. im honestly not sure how things play without t21 4pc though, so things may be a bit different for you until you get that.

[sage cove]

are you guys satisfied with assination in bfa or to early to tell anythign really

[marble hemlock]

its too early to tell, and right now its dogshit

[exotic glen]

gonna be raidtesting tonight, hopefully it doesnt suck

[strange python]

no and yes

[tardy belfry]

@marble hemlock if I put 3 garrotes up using subterfuge do I still have to rupture or the multiple garrotes are enough to sustain energy?

[marble hemlock]

we're talking about m+ trash?

[tardy belfry]

Yep

[marble hemlock]

well

you dont really wanna run subterfuge in m+

because the only 2 valuable aoe legendaries are shoulders+bracers, and when you run shoulders, you dont want your first 3 gcds to just be garrote :p

but if youre set on runnin subt and maybe dont do shoulders at all, then yes, the first 3 garrotes will sustain you for a while

its really just something that you need to try out, youll quickly get a feeling for how many bleeds you need to have running at any given time in order to sustain

[strange python]

hello, im gonna play sin tonight for raidtesting, does any talent build seem to pull ahead right now please ?

will play 3/3/1/x/x/1/1 seems good ?

[primal sigil]

shouldnt Toxic Blade be better ?

i mean the 5 energy off muti.. compared to the tb dmg.. dont really know just guessing

id go 3/3/1/x/x/2/1

[nimble tartan]

go NS

[primal sigil]

for emp ruptures?

yeah makes more sense.. what time is raid testing anyway i need to try it out too

[exotic glen]

should be in half an hour

[nimble tartan]

1/1/1/x/1/x

legit just go 1

[primal sigil]

eh blindside looks good though

[silent parcel]

What does miss % mean in logs?

[exotic glen]

where do you see that

also, did they buff blindside enough so that its worth pressing now

[abstract thunder]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[strange python]

venom rush is better than tb and exsang

[primal sigil]

thats sad, so what now we dont even have a TB button to push just mut mut env ?.. seems simplistic.. but its early.. hopefully they make atleast blindside viable :/

[strange python]

just dont have the energy to keep up with it

[supple hearth]

@primal sigil keep in mind we get necklaces that will add abilities