I fully support gigglepai
#assassination
solid nova
Blushpai sounds better
strange python
I can't decide if I want to level to 120 on Beta ๐ค
civic palm
Sure.
safe matrix
To get ahead of the pack
civic palm
Also, knowing where the NPCs/etc are.
Step 1: Log into WoW.
Step 2: Turn on War Mode.
๐ MAX EXP ๐
Also don't go trying to gank solo.
There seem to be more people with WM turned on than you would assume.
civic palm
and get counter-ganked O _O
exotic glen
never
calm grail
If I get ganked with war mode on I'm going to make a toon on that faction just to send a strongly worded message to the person responsible.
civic palm
haha
calm grail
Almost 30, get called a kid because I like ganking people. I always figured that was half the fun of being a rogue.
dire spoke
you kid
echo estuary
niralath ancient confirmed
bronze kelp
are there already some "feelcrafty" talent suggestions for the beta?
calm grail
I heard that CT is better than Pbomb.
fiery nest
dire spoke
proc chance should be higher the less CP you use
civic palm
I've seen PBOMB at ~5% at all times, rather weak even with the "higher" proc chance.
marble hemlock
is that in line with HB/CT value on singletarget?
civic palm
Not sure how close honestly.
Since on ST I don't cast CT as your Envenom uptime is fucking terrible due to juggling 3 DoTs with such poor NRG Regen.
dawn kettle
Would CT be taken in every situation if it procced VW?
civic palm
Would be broken if it did.
dawn kettle
What if it did at a reduced rate?
sharp viper
it would be op for aoe unless they implemented some limit on how many targets it would proc VW
civic palm
What about ST then?
sharp viper
like limit it to 3 targets for VW and you have balance for energy and it could even be viable in ST
but hey ๐
dawn kettle
VW is 3 per tick on beta right?
civic palm
Yeah instead just arbitrarily limit it to 3 targets, uhhuh.
dawn kettle
Reduce the energy given from CT to 1 per tick instead of 3 like normal
sharp viper
you mean VW it self or crimson tempest VW?
dawn kettle
VW. CT doesnt proc VW currently
dawn kettle
I dont know beta values
And im not at home to check
But if its 3, take VW CT down to 1, CT is probably going to be the best talent in that row for massive aoe pulls anyway
civic palm
If you limit the NRG REGEN from single ticks of VW then your REGEN is even worse for ST, can't change the value.
civic palm
Correct.
dawn kettle
Seems like thats the aoe row anyway, so limiting energy regen on st wouldnt really make that much of a difference.
I imagine poison bomb will still be king on ST even if CT procced VW
Id imagine CT would take over in the same situations where fok becomes the main generator
Especially with nightstalker buffed CTs
civic palm
This isn't the case atm due to CT doing on-hit and that on-hit damage being substantial.
You end up just spamming it.
dawn kettle
Ooh, didnt know there was on hit damage with it
civic palm
Yeah.
dawn kettle
Take off the on-hit, buff bleed damage by half the on hit to compensate for extra energy then?
civic palm
CT doesn't need a DMG buff I think.
It might with the on-hit removed, but the DMG is very good as is.
viscid helm
Why is this discussion even a thing
dawn kettle
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
civic palm
Stop being so yourself.
dawn kettle
I think its fun to try and come up with changes that i think would be interesting to the classes i play
Not that theyd ever happen
viscid helm
How is CT energy regen interesting
civic palm
Getting this out of my system now before 12000 people ask what happened to Poison Bomb.
and I am "not there".
dawn kettle
Its not really that CT energy regen is interesting, its more of coming up with the changes
Idk how to explain it
Theres no innovation if everyone accepts what they have my dude
viscid helm
It's to late for that.
dawn kettle
3 days grace :p
safe matrix
Right
sweet inlet
i've recently returned to wow and have checked hero dmg and it says 4set+2set bracers and boots is the best, is this the case for M+ aswell? and do i need Master Assassin x3 for that to work? or does master poisoner work too?
nvm i just realised i managed to leave it on bleed... im used to poison being selected automatically as it used to be haha
sweet inlet
i just showed my stupidity infront of all these people, brb deleting char ๐
plain thistle
yeah, for bleed T20 2p is really good (and a huge quality of life improvement too) and 3MA is important because you want to align exsanguinate with vendetta ๐
that doesnt mean you cant use T20 2p for poison build, its good if you have access to a good ilvl T20 gloves and shoulder
sweet inlet
but is the poison build still bis? since all my relics are MP and im stacked to the heights of highlands in mastery
plain thistle
yes and no, exsanguinate can be good if you have the gear for it
if you dont, poison will probably be better
safe matrix
It has the lowest average but the highest peak rng damage, but that's only at like 975+
It's still really close though
sweet inlet
well yeah i DE'd all my exsang gear since i disliked the playstyle and poison was just all out better when i played
im only at 960 anyway so yeah think theres no point trying to gear for exsang
plain thistle
yup, this late in the expansion probably not worth it ๐
safe matrix
You have like a month anyways before the prepatch takes everything away anyways
๐คท
supple hearth
At this point you're either waiting for BFA or you're banging your head against a wall ๐
dawn kettle
Mfw banging my head on a wall for another 3 months ๐๐ซ
spare cloud
@plain thistle How do you feel about taking over giggles position as sb
after todays events
plain thistle
๐ค
supple hearth
dont fall for the bait
plain thistle
he already tried to bait me a couple days ago ๐
dawn kettle
I got that notification on my phone after i looked at it on my computer 
novel island
Oh did something happen?
lavish fern
Hi. As a new person on this discord, can i ask a question regarding gearing? ๐
Or is it in another channel? ๐
lavish fern
Quite new to simming though Ganador. But I'll try ๐
void pecan
Also check out the guide
in the pins
Feel free to ask questions though, someone will probably answer.
lavish fern
^^ Will try to sim first, if I don't get my answer there, ill head back here ๐ Thanks though.
dawn kettle
Not really, giggle just tagged everyone in off topic like an ass
little hinge
Went and did Sigryn challenge on my Arcane mage just to see how it's done. So at least I know the ilvl and dmg don't seem to be too big of an issue. But Arcane just has better tools IMO. Longer downtime on Sigryn herself with Poly, ranged class that nullifies the issues caused by fel pools, more mobility with blink and on-demand speed boost with Arcane Barrage, and an Arcane absorb that has its CD removed for the encounter >.>
little hinge
I've always just ignored bladestorm and attacked other characters while he does that.
dawn kettle
Kidney stops it completely
vapid moth
@exotic glen yes that bug is still there
dawn kettle
I dont remember how long storm lasts
vapid moth
oh shit
dawn kettle
I did it when it first came out
vapid moth
thats was 6 hours ago
dawn kettle
But mainly leeching poison will take you to the promise land
little hinge
Runeseer and the Runes are more of a problem for me. They both decide they like to start in the middle of fel pools and/or in the path of a valkyr charge and then I have to blow my cloak to survive, so it's down the next time they decide to do it.
little hinge
Yeah, I was thinking of just holding Vendetta for it.
dawn kettle
That whole scenario is literally following the step by step guide to assassination rogue in the pins
little hinge
You mean the rotation guide on Ravenholdt?
dawn kettle
Yeah
little hinge
More DPS would be nicer, but my Arcane mage was averaging like 500K. It's just a long fight with a lot of one-shot mechanics.
dawn kettle
Leeching poison is more than enough to keep you alive through most of it, evasion the berserkers fixate, blind silgryns wings, save cds for shields
Its not a dps race outside of beating the shields.
You can take as long as you like with it
novel island
Was reacting to someone's comment, didn't mean for it to be here.
glacial gust
My advise is use a macro the blind Sigryn
/target Sigryn
/Cast Blind
That's what I used
safe matrix
toph
ornate valley
WELP OFFTOP
plain thistle
hahahaha
devout hollow
orchid swallow
you ever just not get a poison bomb in your opener and want to fucking die?
tawny quiver
orchid swallow
i gave up on ahc and just go sub
random shuttle
Fairly certain that was not toph cause I think @[everyonesssssssssss] end up in your mentions.
Or maybe it was just a weird discord fuck up.
I am pretty sure who I know who it might have been, but it is whateves.
drifting cloud
because theyre too dumb to mute channels
safe matrix
I know who it was too!
random shuttle
Yeah, I look away for like 2 minutes and look back and am all like , uhhh
random shuttle
I am pretty sure the red one still shows up/
You can look directly at mentions actually for that and jump to it.
It is on the otherside of the search bar.
l9ol
safe matrix
you can go to the top of discord
right by the x where you close the program
and theres an @ symbol
you can click it to see/go to your mentions
@gusty kestrel
safe matrix
you can also ignore @everyone pings in that too
i actually lowkey had stress when I was typing that
cause what if they messed up the permission further
random shuttle
Did you see how I wrote the @ everyone?
I added like 8 extra s's and brackets cause I was paranoid.
exotic glen
fucking hate when someone pings you for no fucking reason
once had to scroll through 500 messages to find who was pinging me
and the message is just usually something like "lol"
safe matrix
@exotic glen like this?
exotic glen
Pls
civic palm
I must have missed the second one.
civic palm
I saw some idiotSpam looking @ #off-topic
safe matrix
cause the perp deleted their post
exotic glen
Who was it
random shuttle
Yeah dude that toph was bait.
random shuttle
I thought Don got one of them.
civic palm
How do you think I got this name? > _>"
safe matrix
don/me/toph baited giggle
random shuttle
lol
novel island
exotic glen
how many messages were just purged wtf
civic palm
2 hours worth
random shuttle
lol
civic palm
Server Audits are important.
onyx falcon
exotic glen
intredasting
dense blaze
๐ค
exotic glen
since kingsbane is poison damage, everyone knows the higher your skill in alchemy is, the more dmg it does
duh
i personally find that 3 potions per kingsbane is appropriate
disgusting
@safe matrix ping l u l
slim estuary
Should I trust raidbots relic sims? i'd be dropping msin and m alch for a +10 ilvl and it says its +.8%
plain thistle
yea, you should
but if you simmed for single target, that relic is 0.8% increase for that scenario, if you want the whole picture, sim for other type of fight too
slim estuary
I just focus on raiding. didnt think that dropping an msin and malch would be worth it
plain thistle
there is more to a relic than just traits, like you said 10 ilvl upgrade is huge (weapon ilvl not relic)
and tier 2
and MAalch and MA are not that far ahead, there are other good options too, like balanced blades and toxic blades
slim estuary
plain thistle
19k dps increase, a good upgrade for sure
damn, 3 balanced blades? ๐
thats nice, but remember to MUTILATE at 2 targets now
since you have 3 BB, FoK for 2 target is probably not a dps increase
lost horizon
Just be sure to keep DP up on both at all times
slow stag
Hey, i might reroll Rouge in bfa since ive always played ranged. Does assasin look good in bfa so far? :)
steep obsidian
its not very different
plays the same
if you mean is it going to be "wtf op omg fotm"
no one knows its too early
slow stag
Okey, ty
it's happening
wise frigate
Definite sign of the end times.
dire spoke
stark heart
Don't forget to bind hearthstone
broken kettle
what are you guys taking for the 90 talent on beta
stark heart
navv is that you? 
granite kindle
Quick question. How's Assassination (or any of the other specs) in BfA?
civic palm
Fine.
granite kindle
That was a quick and easy answer.
dire spoke
solid nova
I'm proud of you Zempai, Angry bird just needs a coffee
Definitely just doing it to try and impress Giggle tbh
I see your plan
solid nova
Where's the Angry Liavre picture when i need it
safe matrix
Shienn has the emote
solid nova
Was it Shiennar?
safe matrix
I has the piktur
solid nova
Yeah thought so ๐
wise frigate
Most people call me birb, so every time you mention Lia's birb I get confused.
prime void
NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT YOU^
shrewd night
prime void
"Sauna Lifeguard"
safe matrix
prime void
Rofl
safe matrix
There's a meme behind that name
prime void
Can always trust Shiennar for the acoustic names
safe matrix
Nah this ones on me
shrewd night
Didnt you know? Sauna and other pools are fucking disgusting
safe matrix
Next thing you know I haven't been to the public pool in years caus wpeople shit in it
And it's disgusting
safe matrix
Yea
shrewd night
Stop shitting in the sauna you fucking bird
safe matrix
FUCK white people
prime void
JEEBUS
safe matrix
I can't shit in saunas m8
I can't even get inside
Do you think I'm gonna open the door
With my fookin wings??
prime void
That's too high IQ for him.
dire spoke
mizu 
safe matrix
Also zempai has changed
prime void
Hi boi
prime void
Yes, I saw him posting pics of binds
safe matrix
disgusting
prime void
Liav, just because I dont incessantly post does not mean I live under a rock ๐
I am knowledgable OKAY
safe matrix
no ur not
dire spoke
Mizu how is your study going
prime void
Awful
So ready for this shit to be over with
I've pulled 5 all nighters in the past 8 dayslelelelle
dire spoke
you can do it man
prime void
I woke up at 8pm tonight
safe matrix
Yikes sounds like finals week
prime void
Have a final in 9 hours
prime void
GFY
safe matrix
But good luck on your final I believe in you โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
I'm gonna sleep tho cause that's what I can do on VACATION
shrewd night
Long weekend three out of four weeks this month
Dont need no vacation for that shit when you have 4 days weekends
vivid bone
don't need vacations when you have nobody to spend it with
dire spoke
rechts in die fรผhls
strange python
Help, I have a problem on my rogue in leveling, I feel like I'm constantly starved on combo points and energy, feel like I'm auto attacking half the time
Is this normal?
shrewd night
I havent leveled in god knows how long, but it generally feels slow up until artifact weapon fixes it
dire spoke
@strange python you best skill into vigor and alacrity because you're missing venom rush until late game
- this is how energy works
- it's not a button spam spec
strange python
I'm lv 35
solid nova
36 apm 
dire spoke
@strange python apply poisons to your weapons and bleeds to your target before using other finishers
nothing more to say, don't expect much in early game
pine flame
hi guys, i looked into the thread here regarding combo and rotations for Sin Rogue, i only have BiS shoulders but my dps sucks I can only go 600-700k dps the most and maintain a 500k dps without vendetta, while I have another guildie that can do 1.2m to 1.3m and we basically have almost identical equips. Im at 927 ilvl
vivid bone
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE
viscid helm
Yeh 500-700k for almost 930 is horrible
Thats less than a fresh boosted green toon does
vivid bone
Is it really
pine flame
@vivid bone I read that already. that gave me 500-700k dps only
was wondering if you guys can help me through any of your rotations
viscid helm
Well the guide is by Notter so no surprise there
pine flame
20.43%
vivid bone
Drakkard, you can use AethysRotation addon to help you get a hang of your rotation.
vivid bone
raidbots, sim your stat prio
shrewd night
3% max
viscid helm
Ye i dont think its just the haste thats the issue here
pine flame
ohh how come low haste?
pine flame
thank you @vivid bone
vivid bone
It will tell you which stats are important
also https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/aethysrotation can help you to get a basic feel for your rotation
I use it for classes I hardly play to still manage
shrewd night
Although if your other roguebuddy has as much haste you can tell him to 'git gud, visit RH' too
dire spoke
Although maybe talk with your other roguebuddy and ask why he is superior
pine flame
yea ill ask
vivid bone
Talking to other people 
vivid bone
We're not people, so that doesn't count
vivid bone
then you woke up
dire spoke
I thinky you fell asleep before that
vivid bone
try it
dire spoke
@pine flame you also did not really ask a question or help us to help you in any way, so it was pretty pointless until now - like my car is broken, here is a photo of it
๐คท๐ป
vivid bone
We still managed to help a bit I hope
pine flame
the question was more on how can I improve my dps?
vivid bone
That's a loaded question though, since we don't know anything about you
pine flame
@dire spoke or any rotations that you tweaked
vivid bone
There's no ''set rotation''
like, in always pressing the same buttons after eachother
pine flame
logs from where?
vivid bone
^
pine flame
an addon?
shrewd night
Whats your rogue name?
pine flame
Drakkardnoir
dire spoke
No way to help, sorry ๐คท๐ป but I can turn on my crystal ball to find out where you press the wrong buttons
false opener, bad kingsbane, almost no envenoms while toxic blade, not using vanish
pine flame
@shrewd night how empty?
granite kindle
I did not know about this dps addon. Iโm gonna have to have a look at it for my non active classes =p
shrewd night
As in, noone in your guild, including yourself, is logging your raids. Making it impossible for us to help you outside of stats.
quick ice
3 buttons tbh. mut/env/rup ๐
vivid bone
Oversimplyfing rotations, ohh boy
dire spoke
@pine flame you can follow my buttons in the bottom right if that helps https://clips.twitch.tv/CleverGiantBulgogiShadyLulu
pine flame
does it need a base addon? that Aethys?
pine flame
yes reading now sry
dire spoke
note that the addon doesn't have boss scripts, so it doesn not plan around mechanics like you actually should
vivid bone
It's not perfect, but should give you a basic idea.
viscid helm
So should reading the guide
vivid bone
Yeah, that ship has sailed
viscid helm
Outlaw legit more braindead spec than BM on beta
Hope that shit is never viable for anything
viscid helm
K i fix
shrewd night
'no path' vs 'falling through world'
shrewd pine
falling through word has bunch of benefits with no falling damage
vestal wren
iirc you disconnect and are set back to your earlier position
shrewd pine
depends where you fall through tbh, some places you hit "bottom" without dying and can run around
that mostly applies to dungeons tho
vivid bone
how is that useful
sharp viper
don't hate on aethysrotation, it's a great tool for beginners to improve at the start
vestal wren
aethysrotation is great to learn the spec
sharp viper
indeed
vestal wren
however it has certain issues.
the biggest one is it does not show you mistakes, rather adjusts rotation.
also it does not adjust to raid startegies/mechanics
vivid bone
Well, that's not what it is for
sharp viper
how would you implement a mistake in rotation issue into a rotation helper? Log the ability casts?
vestal wren
give a certain time margin to use a ability
vivid bone
It already does that afaik
vestal wren
if its not used give visual feedback of an issue
vivid bone
oh, it does not do that
but it does give you a certain time limit for using a specific ability
Should we move to offtopic if we keep talking about AethysRotation in the general sense?
vivid bone
Yeah, sort of the same
sharp viper
it sounds quite complicated to adjust live feedback for rotations
vestal wren
it is more of an issue for sub tho, as things like the dfa interaction is not tested. this means if you use dfa and dont use shd for example the rotation would continue
vivid bone
Yeah, some specs are a bit harder to get right I'm sure
I've tested it on most characters, and I do pretty well most of the time. It helps I know encounters by heart and when to use certain cooldowns
vestal wren
a simple implementation that just gives you ~500 ms to use a ability after beeing displayed should be possible quite fast
vivid bone
Could be a nice option I guess
vestal wren
yes maybe
vivid bone
I like the 'whack-a-mole' aspect of it though
for some classes it feels like a mini game in itself ๐
vestal wren
well just make it like guitar hero ๐
sharp viper
for things like assassination it would be helpful to adjust envenom uptime, sot uptime and generally pandemic optimized debuffs
vivid bone
for assa it's pretty damn decent btw
Helps that the main developer also plays rogue I guess ๐
vestal wren
give points for excelent execution etc. so you can train your rotation on dummy and compete with others on the ranking
vivid bone
It's how I learned
sharp viper
so you really want to make it rotation hero?
vivid bone
as a seperate option/addon, why not ๐
sharp viper
GREAT! GREAT! PERFECT! POOR!
vivid bone
how fun would that be
shrewd pine
LOL that sounds great, and get cheer noises on background if you nail it all the way through
10/10
vestal wren
aethysrotation is the simulation apl so its as accurate as the apl advancement
it should be excelent for sub, good for sin/outlaw
vivid bone
yeah, but doesn't Aethys also develops on the simulation apl?
vestal wren
it works vice versa
the apl is ported to the app (will probably became automated in the future)
sharp viper
i am really tempted to play my rogue on a dance dance revolution pad for movement and a guitar hero guitar for rotation
sharp viper
biggest movement will be character movement and that is not depending on spec :p
shrewd pine
passes out during bloodlust phase
vestal wren
e.g. i did the majority of the sub apl but mystler ported the apl to aethysrotation
i only ported 1 apl change to the addon iirc
vestal wren
thanks ^^
vivid bone
I love addons more than the game itself tbh
I want these @sharp viper https://www.amazon.com/Fragpedal-Quad-PC-Gaming-Footpedal/dp/B005GVWTS4
"look, no hands"
viscid helm
This is legit how i play BFA
sharp viper
i bought a ps4 style controller for pc and that is how i used to play my dh alt
it was surprisingly effective
vivid bone
I tried playing with a controller, but I missed the specific movement that you get with mouse and keyboard
Insomniac is typing a book here
sharp viper
well movement certainly is the biggest issue but you can do it with practice and two sticks
novel island
@Drakkard#7462 1. I've seen better crafted rings than the ones you are using. IL is not king on jewelry. 2. I see you're only wearing one Lego? Boosted toon? 3. I didn't look at all the traits on your relics, but 2 of them are garbo. Have you tried more relinquished relics? 4. At your item level I had almost 200% mastery. While you didn't post any logs, from what I saw. I think your biggest problem out of the door is knowing stat priority. Go to raidbots and see what they are. The top two more than likely will be mastery then crit.
viscid helm
novel island
I am a dumpster rogue, but that should help you out. I dont even raid 
novel island
Sorry, didnt read anything about his gear in channel, only he had 20% haste. Thanks.
pliant yacht
anyone got any suggestions for sin mage tower
vivid bone
vivid bone
and watch that youtube link
strange python
yo i might be retarded or something, but did they change something with rogues, or specifically assassination rogues this past week? my energy regen feels so much slower suddenly
solid nova
Poisons on?
vivid bone
and that
strange python
I got 4set with cloak, chest, hands and legs, and these are my talents http://prntscr.com/jhoxno
exotic glen
And you remember poisons?
vivid bone
then you might be crazy
strange python
i pretty much always use deadly
exotic glen
Idk what to tell you other than no, they didnt change anything
shrewd night
Man, you must have missed out on the crippling meme
strange python
i barely played rogue, and when the sub until i recently picked it back up
solid nova
solemn vapor
๐ฏ
strange python
this is what i got statwise atm http://prntscr.com/jhozut
solid nova
er
solemn vapor
That mastery ๐
strange python
good or bad?
solid nova
Bad
Along with your haste
Nothings changed in the last week though mate, if you've got correct talents, poisons and rupture etc
Then its all in your head brother ๐คท๐ผ
strange python
its so weird
solid nova
Hopefully you'll get some more crit/mastery gear along the line
And kill off most of that haste
solid nova
Maybe you've got some high TF haste pieces that simmed higher than whatever you had before if you've just picked it up
shrewd notch
if anything crit's a bit high with shoulders, yeah?
vivid bone
doesn't matter
solid nova
Not really
strange python
yeah my haste atm comes from both legenderies, the argus neck, and the tier hands
vivid bone
crit is good anyways
shrewd notch
yeah, it's not bad
strange python
yeah guys, i must've forgot to apply poison, there's no other explanation
vivid bone
shrewd notch
i suspect he sims higher for vers, at any rate
strange python
strange python
no clue man
exotic glen
DID U PRESS RUPTURE
vivid bone
lol
strange python
i always rupture ๐ค
shrewd night
Doesnt matter if he ruptures if weapons aint poisoned
Might as well just autoattack at that oint
shrewd notch
get a poison reminder weakaura
solid nova
@strange python Get a WA
strange python
yeah i'll ask my friend for his
solid nova
For when theyre not applied
strange python
he got a big bouncing "apply poisons" that is there if they're not applied
shrewd notch
i have mine set to yell at me if i have < 10 mins left on it
so it doesn't run out during some long boss fight
solid nova
Mine says: "Apply poisons retard"
strange python
loool
solid nova
And i get a fog horn sound
vivid bone
I have auto repair from guild bank on
strange python
yeah same
shrewd notch
i did 6 pulls on mythic spellblade and was so distracted i didn't realize my crap was broken
rofl
strange python
everytime i dala i go repair
shrewd notch
so i got a weakaura
vivid bone
Now never forget to poison again Swybe
vivid bone
NEVER
strange python
lmao
that was torture
waiting for me to have enough energy to finally refresh rupture
shrewd notch
you can still starve yourself if you don't pool energy here and there
strange python
yeah cant spam too much
shrewd notch
does the gcd thing affect assassination much? i feel like not much would change
shrewd night
We get GCD on vendetta I guess
shrewd notch
What about vanish
shrewd night
Its effectively on GCD now as you cant use rupture/garrote instantly without fucking it
shrewd notch
Hm?
shrewd night
If you use skills instantly instead of waiting a sec they won't get empowered by NS
wise frigate
So you have to sit in stealth for a whole second doing nothing to get the NS bonus of using Vanish mid-fight?
That seems silly.
tranquil wolf
do u guys see a chance for CT to outperform PB in single target at any point? Maybe with enough haste? Talking BfA
wise frigate
Wait really? I couldn't tell you were asking about BfA. I thought we somehow got CT on live.
tranquil wolf
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vivid bone
too much yellow in this chat
wise frigate
That's really colorist of you.
vivid bone
It is, captain obvious
tranquil wolf
I rightout HATE PB and i can't even think about the reason why they decided to bring exactly this artifact trait into bfa...
warm parcel
It fit talent row
vivid bone
hate is a strong word
tranquil wolf
its not passive, its rng as hell even though its not that bad as its on live
tranquil wolf
well ofc its passive, but its not passive in a sense of "skill the passive and do 10% more dmg without efford or skill the active and do 15% more dmg, but u have to be good"
its like "skill that thing and pray for it to procc at least once and / or at the right time"
vivid bone
that's still what passive means right?
I get what you are saying
rng can be passive
tranquil wolf
A simple and flat cleave dmg on envenom would be better than PB xD (and would be passive too)
warm parcel
And even more boring
vivid bone
sure, 1000% increase damage would be better too
also passive
let's be realistic here
tranquil wolf
just watch the rankings.. sometimes u have 2 rogues in one guild on same boss in same try - one ranking top 10 world and the other top 100 and thus just because the "better" rogue has triple the PB damage
vivid bone
So?
tranquil wolf
Thats why i hate it. Its not fun to rely on rng that much.. Its bad for progress to be inconsistent
tranquil wolf
dude, i just asked if someone thinks CT can outperform PB at some pooint. I didnt mean to offend your religion or something
grim wolf
Lol
grim wolf
Gottem
vivid bone
Anyways, you're asking questions that have no real answers yet so there's that
Discussions are fine
tranquil wolf
If a rng procc is rank 1-3 of your damaging spells in some pulls and rank 12-13 in other pulls it's just bad design. Thats my opinion. Get over it
shrewd night
Wow isn't your game then
vivid bone
Lol, saying it is your opinion and then demanding me to get over it
tranquil wolf
But im not telling him to play another game or class just because of that xD
solid nova
Still not over it
shrewd night
He isn't entitled to accept your opinion though. It's bad design. Clearly because he said so.
shrewd night
Modern social netiquette
vivid bone
I think some people take the game way too serious though
feeling so entitled to have this and that
tranquil wolf
Why should I? all I said was: I hate PB because of its extreme rng and inpact on the numbers.. You're interpreting a shitton into this simple statement
solid nova
Welcome to the light
lone junco
nooo
vivid bone
Embrace the toxic
solid nova
When did you acquire Green?
lone junco
Exang doesnt care about Pbomb. 5-8% etc.
vivid bone
Exang also doesn't care about being in top 10
lone junco
ive had green forever, but they must have shifted Green above red as primary
vivid bone
As it should
shrewd night
Go ring build for less caring about pb
lone junco
Yeah, I just care about high avg.
lone junco
yeah EP insig/+ high avg as well.
echo estuary
what's going on, noobe is green?
viscid helm
BFA btw
lone junco
no
Mark CT in 5man is gold.
tiny shits feed the bleed.
this green name makes me :RIP: the week I was green
PK gods shined, then shat.
zealous dew
time to pb
fleet gulch
hey everyone, I was wondering if someone could look over my logs for garothi to help me figure out what I can do differently. I'm nadrel. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Zm86KacdkLJvq7XM#fight=22&type=damage-done. I see that the other rogue is getting more envenom casts than i do. I know I screwed up the opener as well
strange python
have you tried using evenom more dude
dire spoke
Toph can't read don't mind him
spare cloud
Ok
spare cloud
I'm sure hypertrophy can help you better ๐คท
strange python
salty
hoary copper
You and slagg are the last of the bleed bois now @strange python
dire spoke
@fleet gulch you did okay with your uptimes, just stop fucking up burst phases around vanish
fleet gulch
gotcha, so I want to hold vanish for cooldowns it sounds like
hoary copper
Does that mean we have to send guards like the last white rhino Notbory?
guess it didnt matter either way
dire spoke
The other rogue also had less rupture casts which could mean that he refreshed it more efficent
- more envenom casts mostly mean more 4CP mut
fleet gulch
that makes sense
strange python
rip, bleeds hard to get geared for to be better than poison and it isnt as good in m+ so i guess ill forgive noobe
fleet gulch
one thing I was wondering is that I've found it difficult to maintain envenom while using toxic blade and kingsbane on cooldown
is it better to use toxic blade during kingsbane?
dire spoke
Yes and No
if you hold TB 4 times for 5s that's 20s already, could miss a cast
but it sure is better to have TB in the end of KB - if you maintain your buffs and debuffs correctly
lone junco
@strange python I've been red+green since red was available. They just changed the priority color to green.
solid nova
Why is it not alphabetical
dire spoke
because poison is superior
lone junco
Probably because only 0.2% play bleed.
solid nova
That's specist
fleet gulch
alright, I'll try to implement your advice @dire spoke, thanks!
dire spoke
@fleet gulch if you can't clip envenom during KB just keep an eye on SoT
- never do anything else than vanish > envenom again with mantle
https://snag.gy/fiHMkn.jpg
zealous dew
i'd play bleed if M+ didn't exist
paper void
im probabkly grey
fleet gulch
@dire spoke thanks man, I really appreciate the feedback
dire spoke
go away
wise frigate
I saw this really good class ranking video on YT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ Should have what you're looking for @calm grail
wise frigate
Well mods don't like it when I post YT in spec channels with preview on.
calm grail
Aww shucks you got me!
keen inlet
hmmm
lone junco
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stoic linden
is poison bomb on beta just broken or is 110 tier not going to have a single target option i just did 20 minutes on a dummy on beta and poison bomb had 1% overall dmg
strange python
The damage was not only nerfed but also it's over 2 seconds instead of 3
sharp viper
which would not be a problem if the dmg was adjusted , similar to when they changed pb from 6 seconds to 3
fleet whale
In pure ST that final row probably won't mean all that much
drifting crypt
CT could be a thing with Exsang
fleet whale
envenom hits like a truck right now though... it might be because of some of the azerite traits I'm using, but TB appeared to be better than exsang for me
viscid helm
strange python
I believe venom rush trumps both now
viscid helm
drifting crypt
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fleet whale
Melee being that high is just how it was prior to legion
and it blindside good? thought it was a trap talent
fleet whale
I don't mind if blindside is that best option, I would actually prefer it
fleet whale
if they baseline tier 18 2 piece it would
viscid helm
yeh they could also make it deal nature dmg while were talking about things that will never happen
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fleet whale
And have any sims been done yet for BFA or still too early
steep obsidian
dispatch might be good if you have really high ilvl weapon?
might be good to go ok with giving a crap about your weapons ilvl
re the scaling thing flowi said i mean
lone junco
lol
next time you think about mashing out mutilates for dps
11111111111
isnt double dose the Mut relic? i though it did more tbh
lone junco
pretty sure it was around 8% or so a while back.
viscid helm
doubt it works with blindside
steep obsidian
nothing seems to
viscid helm
so you dont proc it after 30%
lone junco
blerg
steep obsidian
does blindside apply poisions?
at the same rate as mut?
i guess i could check that easily enough
lone junco
they could push blindside up by giving it a higher crit dmg modifier or a higher base crit rate.
safe matrix
Is it only 1? Then 2 on crit?
viscid helm
yes
sharp viper
i like dispatch or however it is called now since energy regen is abyssmal so no EP uptime at all and master poisoner is useless, but last time i checked the dmg+cp/energy was too low to cast it instead of mutilate during execute
viscid helm
why would you say MP is useless?
sharp viper
because deadly poison is a rather low portion of your dmg
steep obsidian
we played ep and not mp until getting a fair bit of gear this expac
strange python
is it? in Flowi's picture above it is just below melee
steep obsidian
so not playing mp in the first tier would have precedent
plain thistle
I think he is comparing to live connor, where deadly poison is our top damage for single target (competing with envenom)
plain thistle
but yeah, MP took a hit when they changed our mastery to bleed/poison and nerferd the multiplier
strange python
right right
sharp viper
what jhon wrote
steep obsidian
good point
plain thistle
with beta gear ofc, not sure what will be our mastery % late in the expansion
steep obsidian
everything just guessing until they tune
strange python
Do the Legendary daggers work in timewalkers? The set bonus says Legacy:Disabled for them, but does it become active in TWs? Can I use em again once I lose the artifact?
sharp viper
does dp scale with haste now?
viscid helm
and on top of that
strange python
yeah
ripe nimbus
MP doesn't have to be good it just has to be better then what's in that tier and what's in that tier is pretty bad
sharp viper
that was what i was refering to as well, flowi, 4s 10% more dmg
plain thistle
sure, EP took a hit too, that row seems really weak
sharp viper
on top of shit energy regen
sharp viper
free dispatch proc could have a higher proc chance imho but i think both mutilate instances can proc it, that needs verification tho
strange python
hey guys whats the best spec for BfA?
plain thistle
bard
sharp viper
demolock
plain thistle
BfA is not even out, how do you expect us to have a answer for that question? ๐ค
steep obsidian
best answer is to get familiar with all 3 specs in the pre patch and play what you enjoy
what is best could change per encounter or per hotfix very easily
strange python
@strange python I did some googling, found this https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/16518332294?page=2#post-39 <-- looks like they were fixed and now work in Cata and lower Timewalkers!
Oh, cool
sharp viper
also depends on the context of how you intend to play the game, casual play whatever, more hardcore/semi-hardcore raiding or mythic+ and you should seriously consider your role, class and spec
silent parcel
What does pandemic mean in the stickied assassination guide?
strange python
I run Outlaw for PvP, Assa for Raid, Sub for M+ myself. Each spec is good at different things.
It means any dot when refreshed will have up to 30% increased duration based on the previous remaining duration
So if you refresh rupture at 7.2 seconds and 5 combo points, the new rupture will last 31 seconds instead of 24
drifting crypt
it basicly means, if you refresh a dot before it drops off, you get up to an extra 30% of its duration added
strange python
xd
sharp viper
that also applies to some buffs and not all debuffs are affected by it
strange python
Rupture's magic number is 7.2 seconds because that is 30% of 24
drifting crypt
yep, for example Envenom buff has pandemic, but Elaborate Planning does not
sharp viper
true, similar for surge of toxins not being affected by pandemic while garrote/deadly poison/rupture are affected by pandemic
i get furious that there is no more documentation about this game mechanic anywhere in the game
plain thistle
that and poison damage vs nature damage, why the fuck we have both if they are the same?
drifting crypt
but are they the same? ๐ค
plain thistle
our mastery increase poison damage, but increase the damage of envenom and kingsbane, both are nature damage
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toxic blade too
sharp viper
kingsbane is a poison tho so at least that is correct :^)
blizzard always sucked at tooltips
plain thistle
actually nothing does "poison damage", everything is nature
strange python
toxic blade used to say "nature damage"
plain thistle
even deadly poison
strange python
in the ptr of whatever patch that was
strange python
ah
Oh weird got the binding for the outlaw thing ina random heroic nelth
guess i'm chain running the vault now
drifting crypt
you'll get it in a few runs because of BLP
strange python
Oh they upped it?
wowhead comments were showing like 175+ runs for it. Good that it won't be that bad lol
hoary copper
I got it on accident during neth when I first hit 110, I hadnt any idea what it was
silent parcel
Would FoK still be better than Mutilate on 2 targets if I have insignia of ravenholdt?
mossy hazel
I thought it was better on 2 targets regardless honestly
plain thistle
no, thats not a general rule
for instance, if you have balanced blades trait on your relics, it could be worth to mut at 2 targets
thats my case, only 1 BB trait and no PK trait and for 2 target mutilate is ahead of fok
mossy hazel
Is that something you determined from sims or just play testing it?
plain thistle
yes, with sims
I just simmed 2 target with normal ratation, which is FoK by default, and changed the APL to mut at 2 target
mossy hazel
I didn't know you could determine something like that with sims. I've really only ever used the basic functionality
Ohh, you actually manually changed the priority
got it
plain thistle
what you thought sim was for? ๐ค
yeah, manually changed the rotation
thats how we determined that TB on CD is better than TB at last 8s of KB
or that is better to do TB > KB (on shoulder opener)
mossy hazel
I know what it's for, I just haven't delved into experimenting with those kinds of changes. I'd probably break the whole thing on myself. Lol
plain thistle
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mossy hazel
"Ok, I changed up my rotation and now I sim.... 12dps... Yup that sounds good"
I've only even been using simc for the last like 2 months or so, honestly.
lilac lily
Should I still use TB on cd even if I'm energy starved at that point?
strange python
No
silent parcel
Poison bomb damage increases with mast right?
strange python
Yes
silent parcel
Ty
strange python
@drifting crypt 2 runs. Just got it
drifting crypt
gz ^^
daring cave
@strange python what did u get?
strange python
Outlaw hidden appearance bindings
strange python
Fuck me
I didnt do Stormheim
have to do it to unlock the dragon for the quest for these. LOL
fleet whale
I don't think you need to do the whole questline though
royal lantern
its a bit more then 1/3 of the storyline
pale saffron
Only up to the vanthir line's completion, but i feel your pain
lilac osprey
Should I only toxic blade if I have rupture up?
Or is it worth using on trash when adds die quick
peak basalt
i use it on trash for m+
echo estuary
hi ariana. can i have your #?
civic palm
civic palm
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marble hemlock
didnt expect a pugraid to actually tank the girls close to each other
civic palm
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