yea exactly, having orange logs for mythic and thats good enough for me. Closest I came to r1 was Vari with R6 or something like that.
#assassination
shrewd pine
and technically heroic argus R1 log on release of antorus but thats barely relevant anyway
spare cloud
Well most guilds dont log in those cases
shrewd pine
heroic week 1 ?
spare cloud
There are multiple rank ones at that time often
I try to be as consistent as possible
Having 90% median average is better than one 99 to me
shrewd pine
yea thats true as well. Having a 10 green logs with 1 orange somewhere in between means you got probably just lucky and you arenet actually good
spare cloud
No what i mean is like
For example i came back when my guild killed argus
I was on a break
So my firsr logs were grey
Because i was 25 ilvls below everyone
shrewd pine
oh yea, obviously thats why you look on item level if u judging the log right
item level parses are not relevant but its obvious that if someone is 940 they aint gonna parse orange
and grey / green is to be expected
shrewd pine
yea lmao I saw dudes taking off their lowest piece of gear just to get ilvl down
spare cloud
For example
shrewd pine
and then jerk it for 100% ilvl parse
was in a guild with a player like that
annoying as fuck
turbid harbor
@gusty kestrel shorter than I’d hoped
high command has the risk of getting fucked by the stuns as well 😀
shrewd pine
you can somewhat mitigate that unluck with dispersion, but not too often
turbid harbor
sure, but having the freedom to disperse at 10 insanity and having the spirits take you back up to 100 would be really nice if you weren’t forced to save it because of the fight’s mechanics
turbid harbor
True
:
spare cloud
Its stupid
drifting cosmos
🤷 things have gone mad these days
sharp viper
that's what happens when you surrender 2 madness
latent drum
[Insignia of the Grand Army] or [Insignia of Ravenholdt] or `[Cinidaria, the Symbiote] with the shoulder sorry if its not the right place to ask
vivid bone
sim it
dire spoke
@latent drum you best simulate that using the gear compare option on raidbots.com - you need to import your data by inputting the /simc information you get with the ingame simulationcraft addon.
pawn, crucibleweight and herodamage.com can help with a basic overview, if you want to minmax you always need to simulate it for your own toon
latent drum
will do ty ❤
vivid bone
You are
solid nova
The mobile release?
echo estuary
who isn't excited for BfA?
manic vigil
edgy anvil
gon lose new spells poggers
sharp viper
i honestyl would prefer a small raid before bfa 😦
vivid bone
rofl
sharp viper
wut
echo estuary
its been happening since inception of wod
but now thankfully even dragonslayers have realised that this is not sustainable
keen inlet
lol
prunin'
let's scale everybody back to one button that does everything
no resources
keep existing talents
and then add/remove everything via RNG gear each xpac
sound good?
Imagine:
"Stab" 40 energy. Applies Envenom, rupture, lethal poison, exanguinate, TB, etc etc etc
full duration ofc
echo estuary
got to be console ready though
spare cloud
"Nice stab"
keen inlet
Talent 15:
Nice Stab: You gain 20% leech after stabbing
Fast Stab: Your stabs cost half but do half damage
Reverse Stab: You stab yourself causing a rush of adrenaline. +5000% damage for 20s then you die. Horribly.
I could be class dev tbh
I could be...Ion
exotic glen
@neat olive idk what Richard is talking about, you do cloak flame rends, it does negate raid damage. You can take almost all flame rends like that throughout the fight, there are 2 that you cant. One of them you can soak with feint and cheat death. The last one you just dont soak. Hope that helps
solid nova
Difficulty wasnt specified in the original context. At this point in the expansion you shouldnt need to double soak.
spare cloud
Ion Josekostas
solid nova
If you need to double soak for your raid to survive, the rogue isnt the issue.
spare cloud
We still double soak with 4 rogues in group
🤷
but on most combos you can cloak the big aoe and still cloak the flame rend that comes after
solid nova
Having 1 rogue double soak shouldnt be the difference between wipe or not
exotic glen
Its not about that, its just to help tour healers even if its a small thing
solid nova
Yes but would you not agree
That if possible
Its better to use on ST
For DPS uptime
That is my point.
exotic glen
Id rather help the raid than whore
crystal helm
Is it worth to use toxic blade on cd and let kingsbane wait for tb to come up again?
exotic glen
Ude CDs on cd
vivid bone
whoring is helping the raid kill the boss faster
exotic glen
You can set up all kinds of scenarios where people fail to soak or maybe 1 or 2 people are in danger of dying and you soaking will help
Even if Those situations are the exception rather than the norm, i would prefer that over getting 50 more dps
solid nova
Im not saying it has no benefits, im saying i'd rather use for ST if its an option for dps uptime.
exotic glen
50k
vivid bone
random number is random
exotic glen
And im the opposite, good discussion
solid nova
Like I said, personal preferences 🤷
zealous dew
so boring, nothing to do, -2h to go home
someone please share a log to throw shit on
bright vortex
anyone know any good WA's for tracking all group int's for m+
bright vortex
oh cheers, didnt realise it could do that thanks!
lone junco
I set a column for each. above my dps meter
@bright vortex
heacds / defensives/ stuns/kicks /res
north basin
any good exhang indepth guide?
lone junco
prob.
also, with high crit, you mut at 2t then fok at 3t
Ive written a tldr guide before. just cant find it.
north basin
exang build sims for 2.25kk hefty 50k above my regular poison build. so eager to try it.
lone junco
Bracer/Boot. 2p4p 3vendetta 45+ crit. Ep/NS/DS/exang
dire spoke
lone junco
the vanish rupture is 6 cp. env is 4cp+ and you will crit a lot so you get 3 or 4 very easily.
@dire spoke looks familiar 😉
dire spoke
:p
north basin
ty gona try it
lone junco
the best English speaking exanger is prob this guy. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormreaver/slackjack
we play a little diff. but its a very smooth rotation once you have decent crit.
bb relics help
dire spoke
he is mystic
steep obsidian
mystic waidar
stark heart
@exotic glen welcome back 
exotic glen
thanks
dusky fulcrum
Guys quick question, ive seen multiple sources say different things, is master alc or master assasin best?
i only have leggoboots, no shoulder or bracer
lone junco
Both is nice.
exotic glen
use this site giffeswe https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
dusky fulcrum
Infusion of light -> master assasin Murderous intent -> master alc
ty argonic ill check it
exotic glen
under relics you can choose your build and then look at how they stack up
dusky fulcrum
that site is way to laggy for my work laptop, can you pm me so i can check it when im home?
(cant use adblock at work)
lone junco
The other option I use is raidbots dot com relic compar.
strange python
!rota
dusky fulcrum
i guess ill wait untill i get home 😄 thank you for answering
exotic glen
i dont think its possible to only see for one lego but for boots + bracers it looks like this
dusky fulcrum
well icyveins says that 1st and 3rd relic assasin is good, but on 2nd relic assasin is bad, why is that?
fervent beacon
Doesn't line up CDs well
dusky fulcrum
ok so you only want assasin 2 times?
exotic glen
its got to do with timings of your cooldowns yeah
you want either 3 or 1
having 2 is "bad"
fervent beacon
You ideally want 1 or 3 but its whatever for me
dusky fulcrum
but i have boots so vendetta is inconsiten anyway, no?
exotic glen
its not RNG, therefore not inconsistent
dusky fulcrum
oh right
exotic glen
its really consistent if you can just stick to the boss
dusky fulcrum
true
fervent beacon
Boots/Bracers are going to be a strong choice for progression, remember that.
dusky fulcrum
well i guess im going with murderous intent and master alc then
vernal adder
new exp out in 2months anyway'
dusky fulcrum
ye but i wanna get my rogue into cutting edge before then 😄
exotic glen
do you want a picture of the netherlight crucible traits as well giffeswe?
dusky fulcrum
if you dont mind, i love reading when im on the shitter 😄
dusky fulcrum
👌 💯 ty
vernal adder
shocking
drifting cloud
2 MA isnt bad with boots is it?
pretty sure its only with shoulders and not boots
exotic glen
you can see how much of a gain it is in the picture i linked with boots
its a 0,57% increase it says
also you mean bracers + shoulders
drifting cloud
well it could also be insignia
vernal adder
cloak is bis
stark heart
2ma is not bad with shoulders as well, it's just 5 min sims tringy
drifting cloud
yeah I think monk has the same thing with 1 sef
in reality its garbage but in 5min exactly it sims ok because sef is what 1:15 cd?
lone junco
It just delays the vanish compared to the other conditions.
stark heart
That fits
exotic glen
idk ill just keep it like this
manic vigil
fervent beacon
royal halo
Hi guys, I have a specific question regarding my Mythic Eonar as Assassin rogue.
Based on these logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DFWNz7jk9hnQZ4TL/ What the hell am I doing wrong? My parse/DPS is so low!
exotic glen
eonar is a shit boss, thats what
as long as you are constantly attacking something and using cooldowns, and doing the ship, theres not much else to do
fiery nest
worrying about eonar parse 😂
exotic glen
you should probably press envenom instead of rupturing every single add
sand whale
seems you are doing more things right than your padding melee buddies ijs
exotic glen
yeah no reason to pad as assassination on eonar
fiery nest
no reason do do anything on eonar
sand whale
like you have 3 locks between them they can solo bats and any stray packs lol I dunno why there's so much aoe dmg by everyone and probably doing it for the sake of looking good
fiery nest
garb boss, no all star points
exotic glen
still, you cant expect to do dps if you use dots on adds that die in like 1 second
noble ingot
How's spec lookin in bfa?
exotic glen
looks the same pretty much
kind rose
can someone explain is depth the cd alignment with 1 and 3 vs 2 MAs?
sand whale
@royal halo - you should tell your raid lead or whoevers in charge by looking at the amount of add dmg it's actually not good that adds go down so quick due to eonar's energy - and if you really wanna parse equip some aoe things or play sub lol. Your main role here is basically to top dmg on destructors/purifiers/obfuscators
exotic glen
i've never had 3 MA so idk but with 1 MA your vendetta lines up with TB every time pretty much perfectly
sand whale
if you play mantle 2MAss gains no real benefit as CDs don't line up
if you don't play mantle then it's a gain
kind rose
if you play mantle, which cds align with 3 MAs then?
fiery nest
It's the delay of vanish
sand whale
you'll have an extra use of vendetta without delaying for vanish
fiery nest
And vend
lean hill
Shoulder and wrists, 3 MA. You dont need to hold vanish very long for vendetta
kind rose
I see
lean hill
Some fights it gives just enough time to squeeze in a vendetta vanish 3rd time at the end of a fight
strange python
hey guys whats the best spec to lvl up for BFA?
sand whale
restoration
strange python
thx
sand whale
np I got you fam
exotic glen
fuck me, bfa questions are probably the worst thing ever
i'd rather have stat weight questions
kind rose
thanks btw guys.
exotic glen
anytime dude
strange python
whats the best class in BfA?
keen inlet
probably bard
royal halo
No joke, Dark Ranger will prob be the next class
Kind of pretty much like rogue except ranged.
Monk = rogue that can tank and heal
DH = Rogue with more mobility
exotic glen
demonology is looking dope
sand whale
ranged sin? blow darts new combo builder then renamed to witch doctor
keen inlet
the replaced by necromancer
royal halo
If rogue had a new spec, it would be cool to have a gunslinger spec.
keen inlet
5 years later
sand whale
lol
keen inlet
but hey this is all #off-topic ty
royal halo
Or fucking replace Outlaw with gunslinger.
exotic glen
can you come up with an ability or synergy between abilities that would make a range outlaw work?
right now between the eyes and pistol shot is all they have, i cant come up with any idea to further build upon this
keen inlet
lean hill
Gunslinger would be sweet. Just need trenchcoat xmogs so I can look like Roland
north basin
regarding exang build. do i care how many seconds my rupture and garrote have before i apply exang?
lost horizon
Yes absolutely
You should apply a max CP+max pandemic rupture right before exsang
Ideally with a garrote application (max pandemic) as well
north basin
my max rupture is 36 seconds. so i need to aim this number before applying exang?
and do i wait til garote wears off after exang. or i can reaaply right after exang usage
and rupture
the meaning - do these dots somehow buffed or
exotic glen
if you reapply dots, it will remove your exsanguinate on the dot
so you wait until that dot runs out of duration
north basin
i thouhgt exang instant. coz it reduce instantly dot duration. thought it was doing it damage and thats it.
ok then,.
exotic glen
it reduced the dot duration but makes it do the same amount of damage as the full dot
if that makes more sense to you
north basin
ye tnx
and what about kingsbane
how its playing around exang?
or just press on cd
vernal rain
is the sin wowanalyzer still being worked on or?
exotic glen
the site itself says its out of date but who knows
viscid helm
@gusty kestrel smh
fiery nest
its good for big issues and seeing uptimes at a glance (trinket values as well) but to get really in depth its best to post the log here
proven granite
was wondering about something, tok a check on the logs. Which relic would you recommend for raiding? seems like alot of players cheesing with fan of knives on logs
Master alchemist + fan of knives
lean hill
That fok stuff was a bug from a few months ago
proven granite
i know, but if you look on logs, bosses with 2+ they spam fan of knives
civic palm
uhhuh
exotic glen
you dont need specific relics to do that, and its not cheesing
proven granite
And if you look on herodamage, fan of knives relic spikes huge on +2 fights
lean hill
If you see logs where the top handful are astronomically higher than others, it's a high ass guild cheesing for logs. Ignore those
lean hill
Garothi, kin, imonar, argus, agg, vari all mainly ST
exotic glen
that doesnt mean you should go for those relics
you will be useless on half the bosses
lean hill
A lot of people cant stack dogs, so that becomes ST
Sin is a single target spec, as Argonic said you'll cripple yourself on most bosses to maybe squeeze out a bit on an aoe fight
Aoe fights where other classes crush us
proven granite
Reroll lock/sp 😉
Just feels like i cant compete with any classes, not best class on ST or AoE
exotic glen
you're close to best class on ST so
lean hill
You shouldn't have issue in ST
proven granite
Garrothi, ench/war/windwalker
lean hill
And sin rogue
proven granite
15 place, down 600k dps
lean hill
With good PB rng I can top those specs in most ST argue fights
proven granite
thats good RnG ^^
exotic glen
so are they
proven granite
as the rank 8 on felhounds being assasin rogue 😃 fan of knives ofc
lean hill
Good not godly. Sin rogue with close to same gear did 50million more PB damage one kill on heroic last night
exotic glen
because they can stack the dogs, which is not normal
lean hill
And I did more overall
exotic glen
are you even listening
lean hill
Sin is a top end single target without pb luck. With PB you can top things easily
proven granite
First rogue 269spot
kindred sedge
sounds like you should reroll to something other than rogue
exotic glen
i literally have rank 2 on varimathras, do you think i got that using poison knives relics?
ocean root
hey guys is there someone who can help me with some tips for sin... i ll send him a full hc log just to check my problems on rotation etc
exotic glen
just link them here leia
proven granite
mained rogue since vanilla 😉
shrewd night
If you dont enjoy rogue, reroll. But dont come here claiming its because rogue is terrible, when its likely down to you not playing correctly.
proven granite
Rogue is the funniest class
proven granite
Never said they are terrible, just they are not in the greatest spot DPS wise
exotic glen
are we looking at you leia?
civic palm
"We" :3
ocean root
yes please
exotic glen
do you usually play sub?
ocean root
yeah i play sub for 9 months and i switched sin for helping me at progress
exotic glen
sub is perfectly viable for mythic progression if you feel more comfortable in that spec
ocean root
yeah i know but i want to learn sin too 😃
exotic glen
but if you want to play sin, switch out your vers with mastery first
lean hill
The vers curse. I'm at 17% and I cant come close to 200 mastery
exotic glen
how did you envenom twice in a row 🤔
ocean root
lol dont know
shrewd night
Miss?
ocean root
like tier 21 4 set from sub 😛
exotic glen
initial impression is that you need to use your gcds faster, you didnt attack on 0, you probably wasted your shoulders window as well
lean hill
Watch bleed timers, the heroic vari was not so good
exotic glen
if i compare you to my log, we cast the same spells and i use vanish on 6.5 seconds into the fight and you use it on like 10 seconds
you will be overcapped on energy as well
also, your first vanish wasnt good, you kept using 2 mutilates to get 5 CPs before envenom, just go with 4 in the shoulders window
ocean root
i think garothi was my best try
so if y want you can check my mistakes from there
it was the best i could do
exotic glen
sure, you just linked to dogs making me think you wanted that one analysed
exotic glen
oh ok you actually just fucked it on dogs
this fight is looking a lot smoother
you should use potions of prolonged power btw
you refreshed your rupture about every 10 seconds, which is just dumb, you are wasting your combo points
ocean root
i know this run was only a train for learning sin
on how many secs do i need to refresh it?
lean hill
Do you have a weak aura or anything for bleeds?
exotic glen
iirc 7.4 is the start of the pandemic window for 5CP ruptures
ocean root
yes i just need to fix them better with timers too 😛
lean hill
Garrote is... under 5 seconds for pandemic?
exotic glen
uh
think that is like 4.2 or something close to that
you straight up missed a cast of toxic blade between your first one and second one
which you do again after your 2nd cast
lean hill
I checked guide said 5-6 on garrote
ocean root
yeah dont know the timers of my spells yet very well
exotic glen
oh i see, my bad
you're holding toxic blade for kingsbanes end right
dont do that, just use cds on cd
exotic glen
its an either-or situation
if your cooldowns happen to line up like that, do it, but they wont do that often so
fiery nest
there's a nice weakaura package for sin that will glow the boarders on your bleeds when you're in pandemic window
makes it pretty hard to fuck it up
exotic glen
mine turn green
lean hill
I just try to remember lol
ocean root
anything bad with my BoT?
exotic glen
trying ti remember wtf BoT is
lean hill
Me too
fiery nest
bot means nothing for piooson build
ocean root
bag of tricks
fiery nest
if ur refering to blood
exotic glen
just pray to RNGesus
ocean root
i mean poison bombs
fiery nest
pbs are rng
ocean root
hahahaha
you need to stack this thing somehow?
if it stacks one then y can keep it?
fiery nest
flat % chance per combo point spent
exotic glen
for every combo point you spend, you have a higher chance to proc it
ocean root
hmmmm
lean hill
If you had 7% damage from poison bomb that is about average
ocean root
so do i have still a lot of problems? Cuz i want to go for mythic with sin sometime 😛
do i need more dummy practice?
lean hill
Having high bleed uptimes will help a lot. So will using abilities on CD and proper vanish vendetta windows
Doesnt seem like anything really bad from a quick skim
ocean root
also change vers for mastery
exotic glen
i can sum it up if you want
ocean root
i have 187% mast and 17% vers
lean hill
What ilvl
ocean root
967 equipped
ocean root
18% vers
exotic glen
get more mastery, use potions of prolonged power, dont hold cooldowns (except vanish. vanish always goes together with vendetta and toxic blade), more dot uptimes yet dont spam them outside the pandemic window
ocean root
perfect man... i can live with these problems 😛 😛
looking my dmg thought that i was far away from a good rotation 😛
lean hill
The fact you are getting specific answers bodes well. Some logs you look and it hurts your eyes, the answer becomes read the guide and learn the class
hoary copper
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
exotic glen
also helps that you said you already read the guides
lean hill
Good idea to ease into it. I got the beacon trinket off high command and wanted to try it with sub after not raiding as sub since tos
Needless to say I had a very very low parse
exotic glen
leia if you want you can upload a log of you hitting a dummy
fiery nest
that trinket is bad tho 😂
exotic glen
the rotation is the same
lean hill
Wanted to try it out, our warrior does insane damage with it
ocean root
cuz im knew at wow (one year almost) i tried to make logs at dummies but it didnt write them at my disc 😛
exotic glen
which trinket off high command?
exotic glen
lmao you serious
lean hill
The ship dies
fiery nest
ship will just kill itself
hoary copper
Do you have to run out and in for it to work?
hoary copper
Or when you're running to it between phases
lean hill
Gotta combine with shoulders for auto crit
hoary copper
Stupid leap
lean hill
I had about 2 minutes to figure it out and failed miserably
I'll go mess around in some shitty lfr lol
Damn thing is higher than my actual melee trinkets
fiery nest
be goblin, rocket jump out, pop it, and step back in
royal halo
Something something big tiddy goth GF....
lone junco
👀
dusty hull
Is there a sweet spot for Mastery ? I could equip a set with 28Crit/9Haste/10Vers/175 Mastery/41k Agi but Raidbots recommends a set with 30Crit/9Haste/10Vers/152Mastery/44k Agi does 3k Agi really make up 25% Mastery ?
exotic glen
no sweet spot known at least
lone junco
There are def balances.
wary reef
I find that the more mastery you obtain, the more you want 😄
exotic glen
just listen to raidbots
lone junco
very not true
safe matrix
simit
sim yo self
its the most accurate way to find out
sim your stat weights
^^^^
lone junco
0c 250m is not a sloution.
safe matrix
lone junco
^
wary reef
at least by my sims, just never stops increasing
dusty hull
As I said, I sim it myself and the Sim is telling me to drop 25% mastery for 3k Agi gain
safe matrix
probably low ilvl
safe matrix
but are you doing the "top gear" on raidbots?
dusty hull
The set with 152% Mastery has 939 iLvl the other has 942ilvl
lone junco
Drop a raw mastery trinket for 5k agi.
dusty hull
yes top gear
lone junco
seems irrelevant. prob less than 0.5% diff
dusty hull
2% difference
lone junco
top gear is a good tool. It uses trinkets where weights do not.
then believe it. and carry on.
4p21 is biggest upgrade. then shoulder/bracer or bracer/boot combos. then the crit/mastery relationship those prefer.
if you dont have 4p21 or either of those combos. dont expect miracles.
dusty hull
I am not expecting miracles, it just confused me because I thought Mastery was most important
exotic glen
that doesnt mean everything else isnt important
lone junco
weight relationships are important.
you are probably seeing 32m 29agi 27crit 25 vers 18h
or something
it all changes with gear and ilv
exotic glen
honest needle
ty for showing that i was scrolling for it earlier couldnt find it\
fast nacelle
subterfuge with 2p4p and ns with 4p + mantle feels gucci
lone junco
2p4p dream.
I ran some shoulder bracer in LFR and it was ok, but timing issues made me furious. So 2p4pexang. :$$$$$:
dead tier tho. we stopped raiding in feb. so I just jump around dalaran.
lean hill
What timing didnt you like? Or is that bleed build shoulder bracer
lone junco
Shoulder Bracer poison.
oh just the vendetta vanish timing for after second hands on garothi.
lean hill
Theres only a few fights now I can get 3 vanishes in
Nothing feels worse than waiting on those last few seconds as the boss is in single digit %
You want to get someone killed or something to prolong until you can get the last combo in
fast nacelle
mfw high command you get another phase
but your vanish comes up too late and boss dies after first adds
as sub
rip glaive trinket rip vanish
lone junco
@lean hill thats the thing with exang. every 45sec is a strong peak. not as good as every 2min with shoulder, but you always get a few more good ones in.
fast nacelle
"not as good as every 2 min with shoulder" 🤔
lean hill
I've been trying to get a decent set for bleed but all my stuff is vers
fast nacelle
vanish mantle without pb doesnt feel that great
while exsa with bota
is more likely to happen
lean hill
Anyone know why sometimes I'm not getting an empowered envenom from nightstalker?
Occasionally my first hit is several mil less than it should be
fast nacelle
idk if they fixed it but if you cast vanish + X too quickly it can happen that it wont buff it
lone junco
I look forward to the prepatch hasted bota
lean hill
Hmm. Could be. I thought something was doing damage and using up NS but I never actually looked back in logs to see
lean hill
I keep getting the mutilate with shoulders for 3 CP too, so annoying
lone junco
with alacrity and a sephuz kick I got to 119%haste
exang doesnt care. and env on 3 is a wash.
but with high crit you dont get a lot of 2s anyway
steep obsidian
are you sure you aren't getting parried on the pull or something?
lone junco
yeah. I got a boner for crit back on KJ and started collecting.
exotic glen
dacx its because the boss is parrying one of your attacks
steep obsidian
for your 3cp vanish mut things
fast nacelle
if you get just 3 cp muts in mantle its cause you stand in front of the boss
steep obsidian
^
fast nacelle
or you fight elisande which also dodges everything from behind
lean hill
Oh that could be it. I'll watch positioning and see if it fixes
steep obsidian
gurantee you thatsit
lean hill
I want to say it is all on farm content where I dont give much of a shit now
Would make sense I ended up in front of a boss
steep obsidian
i find its only an issue when the tank moves like an idiot
like spins it in cirlces or random directions
steep obsidian
have you done freehold noobe?
lone junco
bfa 5man?
steep obsidian
yeh
fast nacelle
can confirm noobe forgot my name after we had sex
lone junco
Gnome Robots with soccer boss.
Jungle Pyramid
Snake ball with healy boss
lone junco
@fast nacelle new discord who dis
fast nacelle
excuse me
honest needle
boots/wrist https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wkHLcox4szbTrCLScbTZD - wrist/insignia ring https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3vNvf72Cev4zLXNUoghjd6 - manlte/wrist https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7J1asMDqwW2CnUKXZV8k9y with dps this close i mine as well play mantle wrist since i like rotation better right ?
lethal heart
@fast nacelle i have that every week on kingaroth, when we have 2 fury warriors executing the boss
and i'm saving all my shit
hoping that we get next add phase
PepeHands
fast nacelle
@lone junco me no understand "new discord who dis"
echo estuary
no toxicando tyra
manic vigil
what happened to the hot grill in your avatar, tyra? not cool
honest needle
+so run mantle ?
safe matrix
mantle/wrists have the highest variance though
lone junco
safe matrix
since poison bomb swings it more depending on if it procs in mantle
honest needle
i just dont see any 1 else running wrist with insignia ring
lone junco
here;s the thing. ready?
honest needle
but wrist insignia is simming highest for me because i have the 985 shoulders prolly
lone junco
anything less than 0.5% is in margins of error.
If you cannot play it, and match sim, that margin doesnt matter.
Some fights work better for one over the other.
fast nacelle
steep obsidian
what fight is that
fast nacelle
coven mythic
fast nacelle
idk it doesnt make sense
lone junco
and BIGLY. the last
the max fight parses are very very high on the bell curve of probabilities.
fast nacelle
i dont think anyone plays bracer insig
beside me 😦
often im sure i would have done more dmg with MP and boots+bracer
lone junco
tom is a BM hunter now
fast nacelle
i thought about rerolling too
lone junco
and did you talk with Pikaboo or just a memefan?
lone junco
like DH
honest needle
@lone junco my crit is 38 with wrist ring
fast nacelle
maybe demo WL
safe matrix
I've given a thought about MM
fast nacelle
yeah 😄
lone junco
Implosion
lethal heart
2,7 for like rank 10 as assa
honest needle
people keep talking about some pvper named pikaboo but i dont even kno who he is lol/ i made this name as a twink and left it level 19 since bc. i just boosted it this expansion
fast nacelle
dfa sucked anyway
honest needle
i loved dfa for sub
fast nacelle
but the idea of dfa + symbols was good
lone junco
@honest needle just play what you do well with. and keep a few pawn strings. play what you do best at. sims are tools
lethal heart
i mean they're just gonna replace dfa by something that is dfa without the animation though
right?
lone junco
Jumping through the roof in lower K? bad
fast nacelle
yea most likely
lone junco
Gorestab
fast nacelle
only upside of dfa was
lethal heart
it was fun to outplay some mechanics
fast nacelle
that you could shd b4 evi hit
lethal heart
but then you were omegacucked in some situations
lone junco
KJ knockback. was fun
honest needle
@lone junco also wat legos do u run for aoe fights like high command and portal and eonar
lethal heart
idk it had both ends to it imo
fast nacelle
dfa gave same good stuff
lone junco
shoulder/bracer MP/vig/tb
fast nacelle
but also bad stuff
lethal heart
yep
safe matrix
I feel like we're gonna get shadow reflection back though
fast nacelle
so fuck dfa
lone junco
I would be ok if it had a ghost do the movment.
honest needle
so on high command u pretty much fan of knives the whole time right
lone junco
like the DH red blade dash
safe matrix
fan on 2+ targets
honest needle
do u put ruptures on all 3 adds or just spam boss ?
fast nacelle
like kamehameha
honest needle
on high comamnd ?
lone junco
@honest needle you can. I play exang ep. I rupture a few things. and fok all.
steep obsidian
nah rogues have to lose control of their character that the way things work
honest needle
mythic
fast nacelle
and you fire a fel bolt
steep obsidian
like killing spree
safe matrix
adds usually dont live long enough to rupture them tbh
fast nacelle
actually you know what would be sick
honest needle
well in mythic they last long enough i think after the first opener
echo estuary
shadow reflection was so fun in pvp lol! SR full kidney into garrote and SR followed up the CC which resulted in insane lockouts
honest needle
like mmythic high commands i feel the adss are up long enough for ruptures
safe matrix
depends on your group
lone junco
you only need rupture on the boss tbh,
fast nacelle
i d dig for a spell what works like moonglaives. like you channel like fist of fury and in the end you smash out an evi
lone junco
but if you are having energy probs you can rupture a nearby
fast nacelle
and you can use shd while channeling
lone junco
but its all in the fokking
fast nacelle
and while channeling you do dmg around your pussy
dayum
lone junco
Mosh is not horrible
honest needle
i dont like extang lol
lone junco
it plays the same as bracer boot 2p4p.
honest needle
prolly cause i dont rememeber the rotation for ity
lone junco
just do what you play best at
ep is easy.
it will change your weights to need higher crit.
prob has a higher cap than shoulder bracer.
honest needle
@lone junco this is the final sim with ep wrist insignia https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cnSCuoUDJGCM2n96cKrfD
so im guessing mp is better
for me
lone junco
thats your highest sim i think.
lone junco
you wont beat that 980 argus tho
honest needle
i think its whats holding me backl
lone junco
its whats going to keep you MP for sure.
nice box loot or are you argus M asking a heroic scrub questions
honest needle
whats the 980 argus ring i got ?
lone junco
honest needle
im 8/11 mythic between my rogue and my druid
this is my first expansion ever raiding with a rogue
honest needle
Im trying to get better
im parsing 80/90s but i really want to do 99
and im trying to figure out how to do it
fast nacelle
gear and cheese
steep obsidian
99 at this point means you have to have prety damn good rng and yeah be allowed to cheese
honest needle
do u guys use kingsbane at low combo points or do u guys use it after and envenom to do it then do another envenom
steep obsidian
and also have a good fight time
echo estuary
cheese = stat pad?
steep obsidian
cheese = say hey let me solo these adds
fast nacelle
cheese = bad raid and/or pb rng on aoe fights and pb rng at st fights
echo estuary
back when i raided 10 years ago, cheese was basically padding meters = aoeing adds 😛
fast nacelle
combined with a decent killtime - w/e this means depends on fight
lone junco
where is your T21 chest, and high Mastery/crit off glove.
steep obsidian
well if you kill the boss fight after you go through a vendetta vanish cycle
is what i meant
lone junco
and 7/7 Malch is big for the MP builds.
steep obsidian
or just stupid fast kill time
echo estuary
we used to have mechanics like power infusion, rogue tricks, unholy dk frenzy i believe
that could boost a player artificially
viscid helm
@gusty kestrel nice boss
dire spoke
Is CT bugged on beta? it displayed two debuffs on the target after using it twice
lone junco
Have they nerfed the hit component yet?
viscid helm
no
lone junco
Are you plan to main sin or keeping an eye on outlaw
I don't mind 36apm tbh. So hope si stays strong.
viscid helm
depends on tuning
rn there is no reason to play outlaw
CT keeps up with outlaw AoE
and outlaw AoE is tied to 2min CD on KS
and charge system
lone junco
Def more to keep an eye on especially if no gain.
Will be nice for sin to utilize all 4 2ndary.
calm grail
CT pretty sick dmg then?
Better than Pbomb in Beta atm?
I didn't know if since it was slower it would kind of suck.
Haven't played the beta too much.
It's good to hear that Crimson is good.
Does CT procc venomous wounds?
exotic glen
which bosses were tested today? i missed it
still laurel
Any tips on not starving yourself on energy?
exotic glen
spam less i guess
still laurel
I was wondering why my damage was so low and I thought it was because I was capping my self real bad
turns out
didnt have my posion on
viscid helm
well at least you know now how it feels to play in BFA
still laurel
hahaha
wise frigate
But it's only a 1.1k DPS loss.
shrewd night
^10/10 meme
sinful island
Any good rogues streaming PvE content like mythic+ etc? Can't seem to find any on twitch
I often see a rogue playing with jdot or what his name is and would love to see m+ from a rogue perspective. But it was apparently very rude to ask in his chat.
fleet whale
just did a normal dungeon as sin on beta at level 120. I like the damage, but I hate the low crit :(. But i'm sure things will smooth out a bit as I get more gear.
Poison bomb also seems kind of week. I know it's suppose to be an aoe tier of talents but I wonder which will be picked for ST anyway
mild obsidian
@fleet whale PB is horrible, take Crimson Tempest
hollow goblet
I'm so glad crimson tempest is back. It used to be stock abilties.
marble hemlock
would be nice if venomous vim would work with crimson tempest :3
tacit pebble
why does cloak not work on focused lightning :/
rustic abyss
quick question can shadowstep kill someone on coven by going through them?
warm beacon
civic palm
Correct, Shadowstep doesn't move the character through the space you are traveling.
NO TOUCHING on Coven though.
BAD!!
civic palm
Expansion Prepatch is basically the expansion launch but without the content/quests/etc.
civic palm
There's usually quests that go along with the prepatch.
Who knows, still no extension on the Silithus quests =\
civic palm
There's nothing there really.
Feels a lot like one of those old Vanilla quests that just end, but there seems to be more story to tell.
true ingot
Isn't the Silithus extension meant to come with the prepatch?
With all the bits about depowering the artifact.
civic palm
Yeah but I think people are assuming that the corruption/depowering would take some time.
Like we'd get to play with the weapons for a bit more before noticing the weirdness.
true ingot
I mean. We... sort of do?
In that we keep them up until the expac hits.
Which'll be a month give or take.
But yeah. I get you.
novel island
novel island
civic palm
Also the code for that is awful > _<
novel island
novel island
novel island
civic palm
1 Century old bunny.
novel island
civic palm
Mastery has no cap.
worldly temple
what about crit?
vapid moth
Why is that always a question
civic palm
Other classes have "caps" for how high you wanna go before priority shifts elsewhere.
So it's not entirely bizarre that it comes up here.
untold crater
discussion on rogue races (alliance) ?
fervent beacon
I can see dwarf still leading as #1 dps but its only within like 1% difference really
Just be what you would like to stare at for rest of your game
mild obsidian
Dark Iron es numba 1
fervent beacon
Yes
its 2% crit damage
and with sin T21 favoring crit more than ever, its an increase damage overall
human simply for the increase stats with secondary stats
So its just depends if you want to be ugly male dwarf or the alpha brave dwarf female
wise frigate
I love my male dwarf purely cause his name is Mcbeard.
And he ofc has a big bushy beard.
supple hearth
@untold crater keep in mind the racial DPS boost is very very very very very minimal. And subject to change. So unless you're throwing down that cash money every other meta change it's probably best to just go with utility > aesthetics >>> DPS imo ;)
Human is best for PvP atm though. And still great for pve and also very nice aesthetic.
tardy belfry
Hello!
I’ve read the guides but I’m still finding difficulties with the spec
I’m trying out sin after having leveled 1-110 with sub. I went into a M+, finding out my dps on AoE is much worse, and@doing trash packs I’m always energy starved, to the point that I often had no spell to kill explosives orbs with (and I also took the vigor talent). I rarely had energy issues on sub even without vigor, mainly due to the refund on finishers and the raw energy gain from sybols of death. How do you manage you energy? If I spend more time pooling I just do crap dps on trash packs
drifting cosmos
you dont spam as hard as sub, sin's apm is lower
and sin isnt not designed for aoe unless pb
tardy belfry
I was doing fine on bosses, having more CP on crits has crazy sinergy with shoulders. But I’m playing a lot of dungeons on my main toon, and never found a single sub rogue, everyone is playing sin and doing fine in M+
tardy belfry
Oh dear god
What I did while leveling and having no FoK/shuriken storm
I remember it being painful
zealous dew
prob because 1-60 questing takes years of running
tardy belfry
I just queued for dungeons while questing. As a lone dps it can take 15 mins to find a group
zealous dew
yup, on kazzak takes like 3 min to pop
drifting cosmos
Yea subs are easier in lvling
As sin you kinda need some time to build up dmg
With that said, sin can shine more in higher keys where mobs tend to live longer
Imagine if you do a 10 with sin
zealous dew
you can do a 10 with 850 ppl and deplete it 😃
drifting cosmos
Man that’s actually so true. Especially after that bfa pre orders
A lot of fresh 110s just fked up everything
Like how can ppl fail a 5
The tank was like, sorry this is my 3rd dgn after ding’d to 110
zealous dew
it's fine people have to learn
as long as they learn
what I don't like is that at some lelvels it becomes a kite fiesta with slows
run in,, pop cds, get 3-4s of aggro, stun, run
drifting cosmos
Isn’t that what they do in mdi lol
zealous dew
i suppose
vernal adder
is the zandalari racials out yet? I havent followed any wow news
drifting cosmos
watching that maw of soul + 20 for like 3943578934 times
flat cave
thats what i do when run normal and heroic dugeons
drifting cosmos
is definitely very depressing
zealous dew
you mean go to maw 20 pull everything bop a monk and watch them doing 60m dps
yup, fun
tardy belfry
Monk 🤢
drifting cosmos
Also fun when monks die like 50 times a day
celest pulsar
Can I check if a rogue can solo soak. Mythic aggramar flame rend using cloak?
zealous dew
you can't
you need 6 ppl (or 5) to not trigger his buff "gone" mad
don't remember the name
cloak doesn't give you debuff and makes you immune to dmg
celest pulsar
Thanks for the info
zealous dew
you can cloak 1st, feint 2nd
celest pulsar
Sin or sub better choice fight for this boss?
proven granite
Anyone know how i can do gear compairson easier with raidbots? instead of equipping and simming evey time?
plain thistle
you mean easier than ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/gear
cedar marten
quick question: what's the usual choice with the vanish combo? vanish+env or vanish+rupture?
tawdry radish
env with mantle rup without
cedar marten
ty for the quick answer
safe matrix
Depends also if you're running NS or subterfuge
sharp viper
how much dps are you guys pushing in the last phase on argus mythic?
brisk forge
Hell no, use cloak so you dont need to run away when the big circle hits 😎
Deeps man, its all that matters 👊🏻
Oh agg discuss was a hour ago lol. Gotta watch which time ppl post their shit 😜
zealous dew
unless your RL makes you a soak bitch with your fellow rogues
gilded crest
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aPcxuqxKZ4sFANJ3bPs9tm should I go for this relic, Im getting 3rd Master Assassin and losing 1 Master Alchemist
placid egret
Looks like a 20k increase.
nimble tartan
AHHH
spare cloud
Jhonwei sb when?
sharp viper
he doesnt meme hard enough
echo estuary
flowi sb when? the poll was clear
gaunt moat
@jovial kite better in #off-topic
jovial kite
its a dead channel anyway 🤣
wise frigate
echo estuary
slaggjack is it true that Finns like to go to vaalimaa to get their vodka supply from russian "tourists"
echo estuary
viking line to tallinn, the classic journey
echo estuary
hehe
i wish i remembered the name of that fish shop i visited outside of kotka many years back, they had the most exquisite fish and meat for a relatively fair price too
found it, somehow. http://www.disasfish.fi/ you been there slaggjack?
wise frigate
I'd go there purely for that name lmao
jovial kite
nope, sadly
echo estuary
its very popular amongst russians, see its not very convenient to go to Murmansk for similar quality
proud locust
has anyone got spare time to look at my logs and give some advise
sharp viper
sure, just link them here
exotic glen
any particular fight you want us to look at?
proud locust
nah just cant seem to get any higher logs on hc wondering if im doing something wrong mainly
sharp viper
your gear is not that high, that is wrong
exotic glen
terrible relics
proud locust
okay i thought those logs showed for my gear lvl range guess thats wrong
exotic glen
it shows both
proud locust
what relics are you guys running vendetta ones?
exotic glen
i cant find that many rotational problems except on garothi you fucked your second vanish by not using other cooldowns with it and using your nightstalker on rupture
vendetta and master alchemist
proud locust
okay atleast i know my rotation is fine thats good
amber sleet
Your buff uptimes is decent aswell
exotic glen
yeah all are 95%+ and cooldowns were used on cooldown
get better gear and fix your second vanish and you should be good to go
proud locust
i saw somewhere on here i think to use the vanish rupt instead of van enve ?
amber sleet
Vanish rupt is only without shoulders
proud locust
ah
amber sleet
With shoulders legendary, u do vanish env
proud locust
nice cheers guys
dire spoke
@viscid helm btw that's what I meant with double CT https://clips.twitch.tv/DoubtfulFilthyVelociraptorSeemsGood
exotic glen
are you clicking your spells
dire spoke
r1 speedclicking that openers
manic vigil
Zempy the competitive clicker
dire spoke
yeah https://goo.gl/SzqBjr logs don't look special
so idk why it was showing two debuffs after two hits 🤷🏻
dire spoke
holding vanish for CT was a bit overkill I think
strange python
Woohoo got mage tower done!
manic vigil
spare cloud
hard gust
hey guys if i'm at 4cp, both garrote and toxic blade are on cd and im fairly low energy while rupture is about to run out
do i mutilate rupture or do a 4cp rupture
wise frigate
Only if it's nightstalker empowered.
You want to refresh with pandemic so like 7ish seconds off the top of my head.
hard gust
what i meant is i shouldn't instantly refresh it to a 5cp rupture right?
wise frigate
What like rupture, mut back to 4+ and then rupture again?
The CP usage doesn't affect damage, only the duration.
wise frigate
Yes.
dire spoke
I'd suggest reading the tooltips tbh
hard gust
to be fair it does say it deals a larger amount of damage over a larger duration, i was just too retarded to make that connection
wise frigate
Yeah most people just see bigger number and assume it's not just a linear increase.
turbid harbor
it used to deal more damage per tick at the start of the expansion depending on how many combo points you used, but this was changed in 7.1.5
silver wagon
What are the best relic traits for m+ ? Would you still go with master assassin / master poisoner ?
master alchemist *
turbid harbor
if your priority is m+, the best relics are poison knives and master alchemist
poison knives relics make a large difference on aoe packs, but are much less useful than master assassin relics in raids
calm grail
@dire spoke I was looking at your logs, and it looks like melee does a respectable amount of damage now?
echo estuary
i thought zempais logs were inadmissible due to excessive clicking :p
echo estuary
grab a saw and venture outdoors
dire spoke
@calm grail white damage will be in top3 again yes
So it's a bug either way because that doesn't happen with rup or garr
lone junco
Searing zap is tooo strong