But after 10k shards you should have realised the fault lol
#assassination
solid nova
woeful wigeon
well richard we all aint pro
raiding i s easier for me on mytic then this solo bullshit
manic vigil
solid nova
As the mechanics are only so many
strange python
Leeching poison?
primal tangle
There are... services
manic vigil
primal tangle
You can pay $20 and have someone finish it
solid nova
You've got a finite amount of mechanics to check off
Nothing to do with pro
Casuals can stomp it
woeful wigeon
let them trash talk
solid nova
Not at all
primal tangle
Nobody is trying to make him feel bad lol
strange python
nobody wants to make him feel bad
woeful wigeon
i am realm 1 guild on silvermoon
solid nova
Ah it's a troll
manic vigil
such troll
strange python
now i actually want to make him feel bad
solid nova
@strange python it's not bickering or trying to make anyone feel bad
It is tuned for 900 and in 100 tries you should be able to identify the problem in a finite list of mechanics
Fact
strange python
but its alright, im sure as a realm 1 guild you have enough good players in it to help you out with this challenge!
woeful wigeon
nope cause we dont share account
strange python
may the rng god be with you friend
strange python
🤦
vapid moth
100+?
woeful wigeon
otherwise i wud not be here
vapid moth
thats dedication to error right there
strange python
vapid moth
lmao
strange python
No really, are you using leeching poison?
unborn wharf
is mage tower up btw?
vapid moth
mage tower aint even up on US
unborn wharf
oh 😦
vapid moth
dunno bout EU
woeful wigeon
eu is up
primal tangle
970 rogue, silvermoon
woeful wigeon
silvermoon is EU YOU BLEP
lone junco
@woeful wigeon soak the explody orbs. then win. thats about it.
manic vigil
blep
strange python
thot?
unborn wharf
i feel like sub was harder than sin for mage tower
strange python
it is
unborn wharf
havent even touched outlaw lol
vapid moth
if thats your character it legit says it in the link dumbass @woeful wigeon
unborn wharf
any tip sfor agatha?
strange python
its all about dodging shit and killing prio adds
unborn wharf
ah
woeful wigeon
XEAT that not mine i am eu not us
strange python
and breaking shield + interrupt
unborn wharf
on a serious note.. i hate you sin rogues... i have to try REALLY HARD as sub to keep up in damage.. my fingers literally fall off after each boss fight
manic vigil
yeah but you are playing as outlul - which is a handicap in itself
vapid moth
with MfD you cant be handicapped
strange python
yes, playing outlul is challenge on its own
manic vigil
and then I had timing all fucked up and she spawned all imps at once while already channeling her shield
rip. I died 100 times I think
while I oneshot sin and needed like 5 tries on sub
(I ran into the ice in sub xd)
that's why I died
unborn wharf
once i learned that the bubbles come back for sub, i beat it easily
vapid moth
i took 40 tries sin. 20 sub. and 10 outlaw
granted. i tried doing the last 2 wihtout guides
manic vigil
they aren't very hard anyway. I was just having no clue at all what I was doing as outlaw, since I literally never played it before
unborn wharf
Sub? just faceroll harder, literally, roll your face on the keyboard and win
vapid moth
"what is this shadow dance bullshit"
"why are the icycles killing me"
"wtf is this darkness killing me for"
unborn wharf
the 15m+ DFAs are nice though
vapid moth
"AHHHHH"
thick jacinth
Literally just going to miss having a spec that's not ridiculously hard to parse with
Assassination, get poison bomb rng.
Outlaw, better roll good son.
vapid moth
or have 19 amanthul
spare cloud
how do you even fail the sin challenge
strange python
dont feed the troll anymore Toph
thick jacinth
Atleast with sub the difference wasn't that bad or a log didn't seem impossible to beat.
You can tell when a group cheesed stuff with additional mobs but like outside of that.
rose ember
anyone have a Weakaura for poison reminder?
fervent beacon
@vapid moth 40 attempts on sin challenge......and you're saying that rogue is trash.
vapid moth
i did it when i was 930
and the rogue trash was a joke... as i obviously play rogue
but whatever entertains you i guess
fervent beacon
.....I did it with T19.
vapid moth
cool. i didnt have any of the defensive leggos either
and i had been playing the game for 4 months when i did it
but if youd still like to try to put me down somehow. go ahead
im going back to my movie
civic palm
🔨 Just let him get outta line one more time 🔨
I don't have a toy hammer to use there so imagine those squeak.
civic palm
Next step is waiting for transfers.
strange python
20apm sim eskettit
median stag
alright how many of you are jealous?
fiery nest
56 gold 
strange python
cries in fury warrior
spice lava
tfw 980 argus relic is a 60k downgrade :<
solar willow
60k downgrade from what
vapid moth
His dps could be 3mill or 2mill. 60k still gonna hurt
solar willow
From what as in what ilvl relic
steep obsidian
it not news that ilvl doesn't mean jack for sin relics that has been a thing all expac
argus relic traits kinda blow :\
lone junco
Sprint cloak combo.
oblique umbra
sorry if this is answered already but going from night elf -> void elf how much dps increase is that
lone junco
You can sim the race copy in advanced.
oblique umbra
also do you know roughly how much top sins are simming nowadays?
solar willow
Idk but id assume 2.3+
viscid helm
2.5 ish
dire spoke
970 assuming 4p correct relics and legos ~= 2.2+
dawn kettle
people actually had trouble with the sin challenge? 🤔
civic palm
At low item levels and with no experience, sure.
supple hearth
mmmmm most people were able to knock it out around 900 ilvl in a few attempts at launch of the MT. that one was commonly received first by rogue mains
civic palm
Yeah it's rather easy, even at ~900.
steep obsidian
at 900 ilvl and liek 35 traits if you fucked up and didn't have like healing pants to carry you you could die
at 900 ilvl with 65 traits its a bit easier
civic palm
If you got hit by one of the abilities that would near 1shot you at that level, then sure.
I think even Leeching was enough to keep you up through most things.
steep obsidian
i cant even remmeber the sin challenge though or when i did it so it can't have been too bad
civic palm
Three doods with shared health pool.
dire spoke
ilvl does not much for you if you don't understand the matter of adjusting your talents to a soloing situation
civic palm
Warlock, Warrior, lady person.
supple hearth
disc/ww challenge is 100% the absolute easiest.
dawn kettle
idk, i guess i thought they were talking about people having trouble with it a couple months ago and didnt understand why
supple hearth
Feral was hard when it was new. A lot of druids struggled with it idk if changes have just made it easier or what
civic palm
Just item levels.
dawn kettle
i did mine at 890 without a 2nd legendary or any tier back when it first came out and that was just as an alt
civic palm
Brutal Slash killing things made the thing trivial.
dire spoke
give a casual/newcomer a 970 outgeared rogue and he will hardly do 1.5m dps
therefore he will not succeed in MT either
u n d e r s t a n d i n g
dawn kettle
i would still bet a casual with a 970 could do the sin mage tower
not the other two but there's a pretty good chance they could do sin
dire spoke
if his friend who is good with rog tells him leeching poison is cool and rupture is important, maybe
dawn kettle
yeah, maybe im giving casuals too much credit
although i never run anything other than leeching poison so if they used my rogue theyre like
halfway there already
steep obsidian
some guy is posting constantly on the official wow forums that the healing one is tooo hard at 960
dawn kettle
???
steep obsidian
he think it should just be a tank and spank and facerollable
not sure if he a torll or not
dawn kettle
he has to be
HAS TO BE
i watched someone do the resto druid mage tower at like 965
steep obsidian
"I go oom"
dawn kettle
those adds were actually irrelevant
steep obsidian
"well deal with the mana drain mechanic then and move behind the npcs"
"too hard"
dawn kettle
did that shit at 914 and it took me a solid 37 attempts to kill it
it was beyond frustrating to try and get it done back then
steep obsidian
yeh i mean i dont know if there are any of the mechanics that you cant outgear in some of the trials i havent done them all
dawn kettle
you can outgear a lot of the healer one
steep obsidian
i guess if you are dumb and just let the npc get killed in tank trial or get knocked off coz you just run blindly into mobs?
dawn kettle
but
there are still some parts of the blackrook hold thing that you cant outgear
i'm not quite sure about the tank one honestly
bear was the only one ive done and it was an enormous pain in the ass
took me the most pulls of any of the towers i've done
dawn kettle
good thing i did most of mine in 2017 
spare cloud
slate tulip
solar willow
985 eoc inC
honest pelican
real real fine server
im glad we have admins like notter that help clean up the crap that spam the chats with utter nonsense
but hey, today is a good day, i got zoldycks
spare cloud
good guy notter
honest pelican
yep, i love em
time to go test these zoldycks, wonder if LFR will be the bet chance this late
zealous dew
yeah def lfr is the right setting
spare cloud
cant test zoldycks if you cant get to 30% boss hp
chilly bear
guys is angerboda in 970 a good trinket choice? or shall i stick with the 960 shadow singed fang?
spare cloud
sim
spare cloud
Simming is the best option because we dont know your gear
also sims are more accurate than feelycraft 🤷
chilly bear
is there any recomendationa bout soft caps in secondary stats?
spare cloud
No
chilly bear
do you guys get downtime, where u cant cast something because you got no energy?
spare cloud
yes
chilly bear
got 970 Itemlevel equipped but cant get over the 2.2mio dps mark and im wondering if it is the lack of PB proccs or playstyle
spare cloud
thats a really vague depiction of whats happening
how much do you sim for? which boss are you talking about? do you have logs?
chilly bear
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tdR2aL9hB3cJDz8r#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=1 garothi mythic cant get past that number, simmed around that dps by that date
chilly bear
so its more a matter of my group that i cant hit higher dps numbers
spare cloud
why do you have a crit gem in your chest
your relics could be better as well
https://gyazo.com/77dfa07f62ed541de5b70e65dca00f8b shouldn't refresh rupture during toxic blade
rather cast envenoms instead
chilly bear
ok
shrewd night
Killtime is 1,5 minute longer than most other people
spare cloud
why vanish like that
shrewd night
So thats a parse dumpstered
spare cloud
When should you use vanish?
shrewd night
But yes toph is on the right track
chilly bear
last 5 secs of overlapping KB and TB?
spare cloud
No
shrewd night
spare cloud
well, actually if the situation makes that possible
that would be optimal
yes
but not in general
supple hearth
Toph's avatar in this moment...
spare cloud
delay vanish for vendetta unless you lose a cast
again shitty kingsbane
again shitty toxic blade
again
wrong vanish usage again
work on that and you'll probably see improvement
dusky fulcrum
Hello, i just got Soul of the shadowblade as my first legendary, does my rotation change in anyway because of this? what is the 2nd talent i should run?
chilly bear
well thanks @Toph#0001 that helps a lot
spare cloud
You just play with 6 cp and play around that
chilly bear
trying to improve this week my playstyle and i should be fine 😉
dusky fulcrum
okay so i take stratagem talent?
hollow goblet
Yeah
spare cloud
deeper stratagem, yes
dusky fulcrum
thanks!
little frigate
hey guys, is golganneth's vitality a guaranteed drop or did i get lucky>?
hollow goblet
Probably got lucky.
I had a guild member get 5 pantheon blessings before she got her trinket.
spare cloud
chance increases the more you go do it
little frigate
i just got it without even opening the chest on my first kill
spare cloud
its not in the chest pool you just get it assigned randomly
You can still get an item in the chest
hollow goblet
I actually got a blessing last week despite mine being 1000 already,.
vivid bone
Isn't it also related to if people in your raid have it already?
spare cloud
not sure about the exact droprate
and how it is calculated
pretty sure blizzard doesn't release that info
hollow goblet
Pantheon proc, yeah, but the drop rate i'm not certain about
little frigate
i thought i was doing decent dps at 1.3mil then i saw everyone else doing 2-2.4
-.-
vivid bone
in sims or real scenarios
little frigate
real
hollow goblet
1.3 isn't bad, but one can always do better.
little frigate
lets see what raidbots says i should do
spare cloud
1.3 is pretty bad unless you're like itemlevel 925-930
chilly bear
ilvl would be interesting here
little frigate
im 931
vivid bone
Depends on your level of content and gear
spare cloud
can't really compare argus and sims
argus gives you a dmg buff in the beginning + inflated numbers on nature add + damage buff in the end
vivid bone
Better way of saying is, you can't sim argus
spare cloud
You can
vivid bone
is there really? 😮
spare cloud
You could sim every possible fight 🤷 problem is that its just not worth doing it and unrealistic
vivid bone
I mean, I'm sure it's possible, but worth it?
little frigate
yeah the 1.3 wasnt specifically for argus. im mostly at that numer
maybe higher now with the trinket
spare cloud
and probably gives wrong options because the most optimal play in one scenario can be worse if stuff is going different than what it is simmed with
vivid bone
Yeah, sort of what I meant 😃
Patchwerk fights are best, no random shit or phases to work in the sims.
then again, as long as the boss dies it's all good
spare cloud
nowadays your dps should be above sim dps on patchwerk fights
because they usually go 2 minutes faster than sim fighting lengh
it's very dependant on fight time
vivid bone
I usually adjust fight length as well
spare cloud
If you got a bad group vari might take 6 minutes
spare cloud
sims do
vivid bone
they do
spare cloud
hero + all raidbuffs are used
vivid bone
unless you config your own sims
safe matrix
Aight cool
spare cloud
if you use raidbots
vivid bone
And it's more of a guideline anyways
spare cloud
It helps you find the most optimal gear in general cases
but like
for example, some people sim better with mantle bracers
but still go boots bracers for argus
because the fight is so long and you get so much value out of boots
- the crit on shoulders can lose/win value depending on how the timers work out
vivid bone
lots of factors you just have to experience yourself 😃
spare cloud
if you get vendetta vanish on nature add while its buffed + poison bombs
you're good to go
hazy iron
i prefer crown shoulders, it sims roughly 5k lower than shoulders wrists, and feels smoother to play
for me***
spare cloud
Feelycraft
vivid bone
😛
spare cloud
would be weird of it doesn't
vivid bone
Oh god @shrewd night is awake.
spare cloud
but then again if its good, thats another question
hazy iron
well i mean, anything would feel smooth with 40++% crit
hazy iron
i reckon it'd be a waste of energy in that case
spare cloud
not in all cases
shrewd night
bracer/head was pretty bae when I played it
hazy iron
fair enough
spare cloud
which does make the playstyle more smooth
but then again, it's your decision if you want to give up damage for "smoother" gameplay
hazy iron
I should have said 'because i enjoy the smoother gameplay"
spare cloud
no judgement, every man for himself
shrewd night
a) go regular build with mantle/bracer
b) go crit build with insignia/bracer for a 100k damageloss
Again, mantle 🤢
spare cloud
You don't raid in an enviroment where the 5k dps make a difference, so go have fun instead
viscid helm
hazy iron
Y I K E S
warm parcel
hazy iron
@shrewd night not at all - but a 5k sim dps isn't meaningful in any form of raiding as assassination, because PB shenannigans
shrewd night
It's not meaningful in any environment regardless of class because it's within variance
hazy iron
true
spare cloud
variance goes both ways
shrewd night
No 
spare cloud
Okay
hazy iron
lol
jovial kite
Wow
shrewd night
I did
jovial kite
First poopping in sauna
jovial kite
Then call ppl scum
shrewd night
dire spoke
46% crit, mantle-bracers still better due to shitty relics
zealous dew
unlucky
dire spoke
I wanna ditch 2 MAss to have 5/7
zealous dew
rip
dire spoke
spare cloud
jovial kite
cerulean anvil
Okay so this is a pretty basic question and might have been answered elsewhere but here we go anyways. I just started playing around with assa which i find to be absolutely amazing right now. However i know the shoulders are amazing and i love the burst they give but i feel that it doesn't really line up all that well with my other CDS. Usually i have like 30secs left on the CD when i get my second Vendetta up. I am wondering how you guys handle this? Do you just use the vanish whenever its up or do you keep for third Vendetta?
cerulean anvil
Alright, thanks! That's what i have been doing and felt was the most logical choice aswell
solid nova
No sweat fam
fast nacelle
@marble hemlock gratz on +29
solid nova
Lower 29 poggers
lethal heart
nah
they got 30 seat after
jay's team got 30 maw
if only you could find a way to kill destructors on helya you maybe could complete maw at least xD
not in time, but just complete
dusky fulcrum
Is gushing wounds trait worth more than 5 ilvls over the fan of knives one?
i have a 910 with gushing and a 915 with fans
dire spoke
@dusky fulcrum you best simulate that using the relic compare option on raidbots.com - you need to import your data by inputting the /simc information you get with the ingame simulationcraft addon
crucibleweight and herodamage can help with a basic overview, if you want to minmax you always need to simulate it for your own toon
dusky fulcrum
i got boots!!
i got assa boots 😄
i got grand army, soul of shadowblade and boots, i guess soul is better than grand army?
shrewd night
Sim it
dusky fulcrum
can the sim sim the traits?
solid nova
Yes
dusky fulcrum
oh ok
dire spoke
I literally explained everything
honest pelican
dang that marin coin being unique, just pickpocketed 2 in a row but had one on me
im gonna grind this lamp out today no matter what
any other suggestions on where to pickpocket? google same up with various results, but no concrete #s some people just got plain lucky, getting like 70k coins in 5minutes
shrewd night
Suramar
turbid harbor
@lethal heart pk has value on single target if you use fok at 3cp
honest pelican
suramar i keep running into stealth detectors, is there a spot without them
turbid harbor
worth at 5+ traits
lethal heart
@turbid harbor is that even in standard apl?
marble hemlock
it is
lethal heart
i guess it co uld be since it looks energy efficient/cp efficient
marble hemlock
i think its in there for 6+ pk traits
marble hemlock
thanks 😄
lethal heart
how did you deal with spinny retard guy on moroes
did you have him jump on warlock or on tank or melee?
marble hemlock
went into m0 to see who he would jump on
lethal heart
yea smart
marble hemlock
was on sjele
lethal heart
lucky
marble hemlock
yeah, there no dangerous trashmobs and most of the bosses are fairly trivial too
lethal heart
it's only 1 pack in attument trash
and maiden trash
i'd say is dangerous
and maiden trash you probably skipped
marble hemlock
well, we did those fire-debuff guys one by one
marble hemlock
and yea, maiden trash we skipped completely except for 2 sentries that we pulled into the boss
lethal heart
grievous doesnt take you out of repentance though
marble hemlock
killed one right as first repentance came so we could stand in sanguine to remove repentance
lethal heart
for sure
marble hemlock
it does
marble hemlock
both grievous and sanguine drop repentance
lethal heart
thought it'd be same as burning rush
so warlopck can literally just life tap
and he's fine
on grievous
i know burning rush doesnt work
marble hemlock
yeah, burning rush is hp-loss, not damage
same as bursting
but grievous/sanguine are actual damage as far as im aware
lethal heart
idk, spaghettin coding probably
because i could see a world where grievous is same mechanic as bursting
marble hemlock
yeah
lethal heart
i did it with mage
so monk/mage
i just let him solo some stuff
he lets me solo some stuff
overall is very balanced since i catch up on st too
marble hemlock
did feel like a good run though with the bombs, always got atleast one on the packs where it mattered
lethal heart
tried coen 28 yesterday but we went too fiesta
cba doing 27 because it was too late
actually we got unlucky too
marble hemlock
our second coen28 was yikers
lethal heart
always someone was called to stun mob on 1st boss
lethal heart
and he got insta gripped
marble hemlock
with like 3ppl dead
marble hemlock
actually forgot to spec prey on the weak :x
marble hemlock
well, 6sec stun with 15% bonusdmg is quite significant, so i always try to stun first
abstract thunder
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
marble hemlock
only bad thing is that i cant rupture it before, because as you said the grip-add just fucks it up
you have enough time for 4 gcds, so you could do rupture, mut mut kidney, but you get gripped right as you want to stun, so youre forced to insta-stun basically if you want the bonusdmg
when im playing with miracle i usually just let him grip first
and then i do full stun
but since we were playing with escaper all night that wasnt an option :/
lethal heart
yea
as sub i always wanted to do kidney into small 1-2 cp nightblade into sod -bs - dfa
for maximum damage
cos 28 looked spicy as fuck
2nd boss is retarded
we had really strong comp for it too
but thing is 1 imp cast on me and i died mid my cds
hence it was a bit messy i guess
lethal heart
i'm only mad about halls 27 i got depleted by 50 seconds
we go to 4 kings
we have literally
2 deaths
going for 2 chest pretty much
do kings somewhat cleanly
marble hemlock
to the knife guy?
lethal heart
and we die on skovald
marble hemlock
or random deaths?
marble hemlock
wow
marble hemlock
who was tanking? 😄
marble hemlock
hahaha
marble hemlock
well we also depletod a hov because elunarn missed beam 😄
lethal heart
it was 28 in time
if we could do it on 28
till the skovald
and well skovald/odyn arent the dangers in this dungeon even
yea but was sketchy we played 2 melees
and divine called melee to interrupt during rune phase
and my spider sense was like 'yea i think it's sketchy but its ashine so i trust'
and he didnt have shadowstep, rip
cos 28 as assa, is that even possible?
with mage monk maybe xd ?
lethal heart
we lost r1 on cos 28
because else loading screen
is 2 minutes
we actually almost lost in time because o f that
LOL
honest pelican
cant wait to see what the high fashion dkinn lamp does, just more coins right?
i keep PPing and running into marin coins, and having t go back, turn in, go back pp it again
shrewd night
But why
marble hemlock
why not? 🤔
the lamp works differently though @honest pelican
its a different kind of currency, which is really only used for the weekly turn-in where you get 5k gold for free basically
shrewd night
Unless you are going for something specific from marin there is no point running back for the turn. Just sounds like inefficiency deluxe if the primary goal is coins.
Unless Im missing out on a coin reward from marin?
shrewd night
There is the box, but its so rare it aint worth the hassle of flying back and forth
honest pelican
ive got like 13 marin coins in the last hour
i found one, was unique, so i eharthed, went back, and before i even made it to the same one
i PP'd another one
so i just went back AGAIN, to pick it up
have 37 palance keys
i wish smoke powder worked properly, if u vanish, ur follower doesnt, and gets ut attacked
but im just after artful dodging gold sacks, im done with keys for now i guess
maybe a few mor thistle tea/smoke poweer for pvp
lone junco
Don't know what most of that means. But I use a follower that isn't a body guard for that reason. I wanted extra OR from him but zero help. He just gets in the way.
marble hemlock
thats why you get the jorach
for the extra action button
but still get the extra OR
scarlet palm
someone got the Infexious Gaming WAs that works with a german client?
marble hemlock
i still remember when you were able to get 50% of a worldbosses HP off with that one button 😄
lone junco
Is that the flying mech?
marble hemlock
what flying mech? 😄
lone junco
I'm such a weird no player. I dgaf about lore. Or fantasy. Or rep. I give 1 f for mog if it drops from a raid boss. But if I'm not killing something, or healing. Im not playing.
marble hemlock
rep grinding is nice though
lone junco
I still don't have the reusable rune.
honest pelican
she runs a 100OR, 100OR/50gold, and a 50gold/AP token on her. so i get 200OR 100g pe WQ
lone junco
Might have the rep for it now.
marble hemlock
well
honest pelican
i just dunno what to do with these PP'd coins
marble hemlock
my OCD forces me
honest pelican
i guess the rotation of what noggenfogger gives u changes every so often
turbid harbor
@lethal heart it used to be, idk if it still is
marble hemlock
to have full green lines in my rep-window
honest pelican
so right now hes only giving keys, sticky bombs, and somethine else
marble hemlock
like this http://puu.sh/AiXTt/665d8e625e.jpg
just looks better
than having some of them not be full at 999/1000
that would be yikes :x
lone junco
Lots of my old achieves were never counted. PRe 2008. So I never bothered.
honest pelican
i just want a PP place with not a shit ton of see stealters
lone junco
I don't know what a pp is.
🍆
Closest I had to rep bars was on my hpal. But swapping mains fixed that.
@marble hemlock pigged a cos last night. Got to the npc room with 9mins left. And burned them all looking for the spy. Felt good
lone junco
Yes.
lone junco
Female potions long sleeve dark cloak.
marble hemlock
those are a pain in the ass
lone junco
What a shitty part of a great zone.
Btw. Why can't my undead jump out of the creek?
Should I just go gamon?
Prob cause I bound jump to x.
honest pelican
i must jusdt be stupid and these marin noggenfogger coins are insanely common
finished my highest djinn lamp tho
wow gleaming lamp is amazingly more coins
triple+
marble hemlock
yikes, here we go, looking for a new guild :<
these are gonna be some fun weeks :<
marble hemlock
well, ive come to realize that i wanna progress more than 4-8hours a week
which is not doable in the 2day raiding guild i was in
i also cba raid-/guildleading anymore, the new generation of wowplayers is just awful to have to interact with in that setting
so it was time to move on, lets see where it takes me ^^
shrewd night
Come raidlead me daddy
marble hemlock
with comments like these youre bound to wake up one of the off-topic redirecting dragons
careful
marble hemlock
yikes
wise frigate
:D
marble hemlock
i always feint though, im easily scared 😦
i do proc cheatdeath on purpose for DPS reasons sometimes, does that count?
warm parcel
+1
vivid bone
That's why it's there
marble hemlock
better than jay!
boreal frigate
bis shoulder if no mantle?
viscid helm
solid nova
Q: Is there a BiS list for X spec?
A: Because of the Warforged/Titanforged system and sockets, BiS lists are essentially obsolete. We recommend simming yourself to find the best gear for you, check the “How to sim yourself guide”, in the top.
novel island
Hi guys, what's best in slot?
exotic glen
its BIS
novel island
I joke, I joke. Don't roll your eyes at me!
dire spoke
dire spoke
Who are you
vivid bone
Who's to say you're not the new name
novel island
I was once active, but meh. Died.
vivid bone
ok, easy grandpa
viscid helm
better watch out for giggle
solid nova
Back in my day
novel island
Grandpa, if he only knew!
solid nova
Grandaddy
novel island
My kid still lives with me, so hope that isn't any time soon.
solid nova
Children 🤢
novel island
23
solid nova
Keep the filthy beasts away
novel island
Not a kid anymore
solid nova
You man whore!
exotic glen
isnt tom dead
novel island
Sounds good, she plays feral.
vivid bone
Does she play WoW too?
solid nova
@novel island Hi, My names Richard, I'm a 25 year old accountant from Oxford. Want your daughter to be safe, secure and financially stable? Hi.
novel island
She only dates orange parses though.
vivid bone
sick burn yo
novel island
But, she is a good feral ;)
solid nova
Brb, joining druid discord
novel island
LoL
vivid bone
Little bit creepy how you winked at her being a good feral
solid nova
😏
novel island
But she is a good feral ;) I guess I should say she plays very well.
solid nova
Resisting comments
vivid bone
Context matters
solid nova
That Don will mute me for
exotic glen
does she play guys well too
shrewd night
So uuuuuh
Hey
I got orange parses
Not as much $$ as Richard
But yaknow
Priorities
no u
novel island
Rofl
exotic glen
i dont think i would date any girl, because if they like me they must have bad taste, and i dont wanna be with girls with bad taste
solid nova
Its not Ravenholdt appropriate
exotic glen
why does don jose have purple name now
solid nova
I value the rules put in place, for the safety of others
Here in our special community
exotic glen
wasnt he orange some time ago
shrewd night
He had a kid, got real daddystatus
solid nova
Mega Don
exotic glen
its not in annoucements
novel island
Don was orange
exotic glen
or i cant find it
solid nova
Fierydemise-Despot Emeritus - 10/04/2018
Welcome @keen inlet our newest purple text. Don Jose will be leading a new effort to improve moderation quality and consistency across Ravenholdt.(edited)
That was hard
I didnt even scroll
Did that just tag Jose? Hahahaha
exotic glen
@keen inlet gz on promotion
solid nova
Copy and paste life
shrewd night
Im sure Richards name was there before
manic vigil
solid nova
Me > you tbh
solid nova
Valid point
novel island
How do u know you're over > me
solid nova
Tisumi x weak confirmed
exotic glen
imagine getting pinged for no reason
keen inlet
keen inlet
nah it doesn't bother me
solid nova
Sorry Don it was the copy paste 😦
novel island
My daughter would shred u lol
keen inlet
I just love that emoji
exotic glen
solid nova
I like the feral word usage
I dont mind a few scratches as long as shes alright being ripped tbh
warm parcel
solid nova
🤷🏼
novel island
And mangle
solid nova
Mangle yikes
exotic glen
shred
shrewd night
But would she thrash him?
solid nova
@gusty kestrel Implying thats a bad thing? 🤔
solid nova
swipe
solid nova
Oh the talent?
novel island
Ya
solid nova
YES
novel island
That's it
keen inlet
Yo
keen inlet
beta players come to off-topic I have questions
viscid helm
no
exotic glen
yeah, only alphas allowed in here
novel island
Grats on promo Don
exotic glen
so go away richard
solid nova
Fite me little boy
exotic glen
wanna duel
novel island
I can say I knew you when you were wee little now.
exotic glen
1v1 me on rust
normal plover
how come I see so much complaining from other classes about BFA but not really much from rogues
solid nova
Because we've accepted our state of depression
normal plover
I dont think that's really how the rogue community has reacted in the past haha
manic vigil
Flowi summarized it all already 
solid nova
BFA Changes for Rogues 
Wait sub changes implemented 
crystal helm
How would one find out what caps there are to the stats?
crystal helm
Aint that sweet, any % in crit/haste/vers before aiming to dump rest in mastery then?
solid nova
Depends on your stat weights
Sim your stat weights and you'll see what secondaries you'll be aiming for
Varies from person to person
Gear/ilvl etc
To refer to #rules-and-guides
Q: What are my stat weights for X spec/Pawn?
A: Stat weights are specific to your character's current talents, gear, stats, etc. If you'd like accurate stat weights to put into something like Pawn, please use SimulationCraft to generate your own. Remember, you will need to update your weights somewhat often for accurate gearing suggestions.
zealous dew
just forget about haste
crystal helm
Yeah i sim basicly any time i switcharoo my gear around
solid nova
Keep doing that mate and you'll be fine
This to X percent hasnt been around for a while
crystal helm
Last time i remember what % to keep was Wotlk.. Thats about when i stopped to play pve and only played pvp 😛
just 2 months ago started playing pve again
solid nova
TF/WF has changed things like BiS not being a factor anymore
Regular sims will keep you on track
lethal heart
@marble hemlock sorry just came back from irl stuff, yes we did boatskip. It never works for me though, think i'm special when it comes to this one xd maybe it's because of some of my addon or sth
like we were 24 minutes in waiting in front of the doors and pulled boss at 26 minutes in because of summoning healer, not even warlock was summoned because he thought it'd take more than 20 seconds xd
lethal heart
we all played mega giga defensive though coz we knew we have it in 4 minutes + lust
like i even played aggramar trinket
marble hemlock
lol
lethal heart
think jay played tank trinket too
we had 0 resses though
because fiesta on 2nd boss
marble hemlock
thats becasue mage usually dies fairly quickly on that boss
lethal heart
miniboss was spicy as fuck too, had to play my hyrja set on it xD
i couldnt even live shadowbolt volley with 20 avoidance/prydaz/aura mastery, would be ~300k overkill
with book up
lethal heart
even as rogue think you'd have to play 20 avoidance/prydaz + feint
and prydaz wont be always up
because timing is like every 20 seconds
marble hemlock
dropped to like 20% with book
marble hemlock
lethal heart
that's one good ability
naive bison
zealous dew
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
lunar berry
Does the sims include the vigor talent if using the legendary ring? It seemes it only valuate the stats of the ring
or how does it work
`?
marble hemlock
if you still have vigor talented it will only calculate the stats
lunar berry
i had strangem too
ill double chech using another rign but woth strangem instead of vigor to see if there is a diff
thx tho
plain thistle
lunar berry
ok, siince i dont hjave shpulders but i have bracers (for assa) i thought ring would be better than belt with the zoldyck bracers. but the sim comes back belt every time. I was i bit surprised
wise frigate
Belt has good stats and pulls ahead in any add fight since poison spec doesn't get too too much out of Deeper, and more chances to proc the belt.
lunar berry
yea
zealous dew
ded cennel
vernal adder
good
lone junco
🛌
vapid moth
He was definitely tryna get a wipe to fix logs
exotic glen
you dont think he would have noticed that from the other bosses we have killed?
im just happy to finally sit argus
doesnt give a single good item
shrewd notch
🤔
strange python
Was crashing every time I moved in Tiragarde.
Had the brilliant idea of using grappling hook.
Now my rogue is lost in the matrix.
Cant log in 🤦
manic vigil
strange python
It's what I get for playing outlaw
strange python
My only 120 :(
manic vigil
smallest violin and all
exotic glen
thats what you get for playing beta
naive cypress
Is Eonar bugged atm?
Mythic
Im seeing Rain of Fel hit twice
Once when targeted, and then after the countdown
It is not supposed to do that right?
exotic glen
did you check logs to confirm it?
naive cypress
can send you
exotic glen
i believe you, dont worry
naive cypress
No, but idk
Look at 8:30
Am i seeing something wrong? Or is it triggering twice?
naive cypress
Does it seem normal to you?
echo estuary
yes. rogue needs mfd baseline for leveling
exotic glen
baseline mfd would be poggers as fuck
echo estuary
what is poggers
exotic glen
autistic way of saying pogchamp
exotic glen
its a twitch emote signalling excitement
zealous dew
because saying excitement is hard
exotic glen
baseline mfd would be excitement as fuck
lone junco
These are Pogs. A pog champ, would take kids lunch money and or pog stash while gambling.
zealous dew
I wonder if ppl talk like this when they go out in the real world
lone junco
My brother was ahead of his time. He collected stuff, but then sold all at the peak in 5th grade or so. He took a kids lunch money for like 8 months straight as payment.
exotic glen
lol noobe, playing by the rules
i just stole the other kids toys because i was an asshole
echo estuary
that just makes you a thief
exotic glen
maybe back then
exotic glen
ded channel
vapid moth
Ded game
dense blaze
99 attack
chrome tuskBOT
Argonic#8543 (182183491998318593) is muted for 1 day because of 'we don't use the a word here', boss.
hoary copper
strange python
i cant for the life of me find raid testing from a rogues pov