assassination

[marble hemlock]

on mob-death you get all the energy the rupture wouldve generated if it ticked the remaining duration

[lone junco]

Then without shoulders. All mobs will be garrote mut rupture.

Esp with PB.

Assuming they live like 10 sec I guess.

Ep is a let down. The whole spec feels like it was cut in half

Prob the low crit.

[warm parcel]

Theres a lot of ways bfa aoe can go

Mostly depending on ct

[lone junco]

I want to like EP CT. But 4sec is bonkers.

[warm parcel]

hows 5-4 affecting you

its just one second less of the boost

[lone junco]

Btw for prepatch I hit like 125% haste last night with a sephuz proc.

40/100/125

[marble hemlock]

could you hold all that energy?

[solid nova]

How could you hold such power

[marble hemlock]

enough for do my power

[warm parcel]

current vw means gcd lock happens at around 140 haste

or 120

not sure

[lone junco]

Rip that haste tho. They removed Alacrity.

Still get to vanish rupture kick exang.

[vapid moth]

@solid nova say I did use DBM and had all those timers on my screen. What would that help with.

[solid nova]

IIRC you have them all turned off apart from when tanking

My point being

Why would you not use BW/DMB/WAs when you're actively looking to improve

And raid at a higher level

Rather than progressing Eonar 2months before expansion end when you want to be doing more

The limit to your progression lies in your own choices in that respect

If you're not wanting to optimise, you're putting the cap on yourself mate

[vapid moth]

Frankly I've always felt that no DBM let me understand bosses better than having to adjust to timers

[steep obsidian]

do you know exactly when a transition is going to happen?

[vapid moth]

Yes I do

[steep obsidian]

do you pop vendtetta 3 secs before a boss runs away

i bet you dont

not exactly downt ot he second

[solid nova]

I'm just trying to be straight with you mate

You want to raid at a higher mythic level

[vapid moth]

I dont

[solid nova]

When at the moment you're raiding at low level

The differences are huge

From where you are to where you're wanting to be

And not using things like timers etc are effecting that

[vapid moth]

Transitions are percentage based for all of the bosses. Cept coven

[keen inlet]

Even for heroic content you could be performing much better

[lone junco]

Dbm does have clutter. BigWigs is nice tho.

[solid nova]

I use BWs and WAs for my own preferences

[keen inlet]

Which...I mean, if you don't want to, fine

[steep obsidian]

i just configure dbm to turn off he thigns i dont need to know

[keen inlet]

But I don't know why you wouldn't if you could easily

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid nova]

I just think you complain an awful lot about your guild for not wanting to sim/use class discords

[lone junco]

But some stuff like Varith aids needs an alarm. You have to move asap.

[solid nova]

When using dbm was etc is far simplier

[echo estuary]

dbm is still around? i used it like 9 years ago oO

[keen inlet]

It's kinda crazy how little things can make a huge dps diff

[solid nova]

Having a WA for certain trinkets etc

Is a massive help

[strange python]

@marble hemlock yo u think i should run elusiveness in hov 25

[vapid moth]

If I'm able to stick to the boss and do optimal damage while still following mechanics what difference would knowing the exact second collapsing world is coming make?

Or siphon on dogs?

[solid nova]

But you're applying that to your current raiding standards

Which frankly is low

When you're wanting to raid at a much higher standard

It doesnt add up mate

[vapid moth]

Well then I guess I'd have to move up just to see how far I can go

[solid nova]

I mean you're mid Eonar progression and not liking the fact the guilds asked you to get an addon to help

How far up isnt very far at all with that mentality really mate

[marble hemlock]

@strange python the route is usually to go fenrir first, so you can run cheatdeath until then, die, run out, respec into elusiveness for the other 2

but yeah, elusiveness is nice

[strange python]

well its just for dagger tbh

shit hurts like a truck

will do that then ty

[marble hemlock]

yup

[vapid moth]

I was complaining cause it was for things I had already memorized. Groups and stuff are easy. Waves are all the same

[solid nova]

Think of it this way mate

[steep obsidian]

the eonar weak aura for mythic is amazing

it plays the game for me

tell me exactly what pack is coming up and where i should go

i only ever killed the boss once though 😛

coz fk raiding mythic this tier

[solid nova]

If as a half decent mythic raiding guild, you get a raider application.

You come across the question: What addons do you use for raiding etc?

And you reply with: I don't like to use DBM/BW/WAs because I can memorise fights.

No guild worth their salt will touch that app

[steep obsidian]

they def will want to see you ui in combat too

i agree that lots of people have shit on their ui they dont look at though

see people have 2 or 3 different places with the same info

[solid nova]

I've been on the end of recuiting etc. And when you're progressing or maybe you fall into roster issues. Those apps you will instantly decline.

Many many guilds will see DBM/BW/WAs as bare basics

[vapid moth]

fair point

[solid nova]

Which i agree with

Not trying to bash you mate

Just giving you some personal experience as you're wanting to progress some what

[vapid moth]

Yeah no worries

[steep obsidian]

things like weak aura and the raid tools mob can actually be used to assign soaks for shit too

that is really common

even things like exorsus raid tools some guilds use it to just share on screen notes of assignments and update per fight

[echo estuary]

xae seems like a nice fellow, i see no underlying reasons that justifies a ban. shame on you TOPH

[steep obsidian]

lol

[solid nova]

ERT for the Battle Ress timer

Little shit like that

all useful

[vapid moth]

Emergency resuscitation timer?

[steep obsidian]

the guild i raided a little bit at the start of this tier actually had to ask if breses were up 😐

the raid leader i mean

[solid nova]

Yeah i mean ERT it a decent addon

[steep obsidian]

i mean we would have wiped a lot more on kormork and kromog in wod without that mod

and we had a weak aura to run to the markers with shit on archi and fel lord

i think most guilds did have stuff like that

and use things like that constantly

past a certain level anyway

[viscid helm]

boss mods 2k18

[solid nova]

I can do the next one

bfa in 2k18

[manic vigil]

Not everyone has 220 IQ flowi

Us mere mortals need help occasionally

[inland wyvern]

anyone testing out blindside in beta?

[viscid helm]

It's a dps loss

[little frigate]

hey guys, is http://www.wowhead.com/item=152093/gorshalachs-legacy&bonus=3610:1472 as shit as it sounds?

just got it -.-

[inland wyvern]

ahh thx @olive crow

[sinful marsh]

If it's not 985, probably shit

[little frigate]

thought so

[inland wyvern]

im running the following, seems to be ok, anyone see/feel something better so far?

MP/NS/Vig/LP/IW/TB/PB

[little frigate]

whats wrong with blizzard and putting haste items on the sin loot list

[solid nova]

Preparing you for bfa

To buff your CT ticks

[viscid helm]

PB deals no dmg in BFA

TB is bad

[inland wyvern]

hmm what are you using in its place? Ex + CT ?

[severe iron]

http://bfa.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/ctLc isn't it something like that at the mo, I haven't kept up with BFA shit much yet

wait shit

CT, misclicked

saved

[solid nova]

Hidden blades 🤢

[severe iron]

yes, yes

I misclicked

[inland wyvern]

@olive crow just mentioned that BS isn't good

[viscid helm]

did you try to pick the worst talents?

MA is shit

[open reef]

What about using vanish with ns and 20 stacks of hidden blades from vanish?

[viscid helm]

blindside is a dps loss vs muti

[severe iron]

like I said, I haven't logged in since alpha

[solid nova]

20 stacks on 40 seconds

[viscid helm]

why HB

[open reef]

Yea 3 wont line up

[viscid helm]

when 1 CT cast

deals more dmg

[severe iron]

I misclicked

lad

[viscid helm]

than full HB

not talking to you

[cerulean bane]

What do you guys think about SIN for higher level M+ i BFA? Seems like the bleed mastery-scaling and more reliable AoE will make a big difference

[viscid helm]

well sub is dead

[spare cloud]

Flowi bashing new people

Nice

[viscid helm]

outlaw has burst AoE

Sin can do same as outlaw but have it always

outlaw can KS every 1min

[solid nova]

@spare cloud New?

[spare cloud]

Either new or older than me

[solid nova]

who

[viscid helm]

Who am i bashing?

[spare cloud]

Both are equally likely

[cerulean bane]

so you reckon SIN will be the go-to m+ spec for rogues? Currently maining SIN in legion, not interested in changing spec- would rather change class. Don't really care much for raiding, just want to push m+ in bfa

[open reef]

Guys btw, does addons work on beta?

[viscid helm]

number tuning happens in 4months

ask again then

[cerulean bane]

tuning will change for patch to patch in bfa too, i'm mostly considering the whole kit as of right now

[open reef]

I like tellmewhen

Or wa

[spare cloud]

Thats different

[viscid helm]

patch tuning is different

[severe iron]

I mean, based on that question, it's gonna be assa

[spare cloud]

Wa probably works

Just not sure if new icons and spell ids are added

Though

[marble hemlock]

can i please intime this maw....

[steep obsidian]

there is a weakaura version that works on beta

not the main one though have to get the beta version

[spare cloud]

Yeh weakauras should always work

Just not with the new stuff if its outdated

Speaking out of my ass though i could be totally wrong

[jovial kite]

eeeeeaaaaaa

[solid nova]

@spare cloud Why dont you speak from experience

Always speaking out of your ass smh

[spare cloud]

Now that youre finally able to ping mr

You gotta use it everywhere possible

Right

[solid nova]

Don't tell me what to do

[marble hemlock]

ive always found that phrase to be very ironic

[spare cloud]

Im not telling

Im asking

[marble hemlock]

by telling me to not tell you what to do, youre telling me what to do

[spare cloud]

Baka

[solid nova]

I tell you what to do

You dont tell me what to do

[marble hemlock]

yes, master

[solid nova]

Fixed

[marble hemlock]

or do you prefer it if i call you daddy?

[spare cloud]

At least i dont get told what to think only what to do

Sorry for the blow @solid nova

[keen inlet]

This is getting
very
extremely
off-topic
🔥

[marble hemlock]

toxic blade

fan of knives

vendetta

[keen inlet]

ty

[spare cloud]

Beta

[solid nova]

Don would prefer

Vanish

[spare cloud]

Crimson tempest

[solid nova]

@spare cloud I dont follow though

So the blow is a breeze

[inland wyvern]

http://bfa.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/cIpc

[marble hemlock]

think don would prefer redirect

[inland wyvern]

^ that look better?

[solid nova]

Leeching

[inland wyvern]

(leveling)

[solid nova]

Then excused

[marble hemlock]

good old 1min cd combopoint redirect

those were good times

[keen inlet]

hmm

for leveling you might prefer MFD

also CT for leveling

[severe iron]

probably yeah, just bounce it off shit

[solid nova]

Seeing thinkw

and not flowi

[viscid helm]

why would u not use CT

[keen inlet]

and I'd go MA for leveling

[solid nova]

Confuses me

[keen inlet]

my experience on beta, granted, low ilvl etc

[inland wyvern]

kk thx

[keen inlet]

was that I never wanted to fight more than 2-3 things at once

[viscid helm]

CT deals more dmg than Envenom on 1 target

[solid nova]

The mistake

Is playing rogue in BFA to begin with

[keen inlet]

Over duration

[severe iron]

spec sure sounds fucked up right now

[viscid helm]

intial hit is 1/3 of envenom

[severe iron]

Muti > BS in execute, CT > Env finisher

🤔

[viscid helm]

idk i was pulling 4-5 mobs at a time

spamming ct

with leeching poison

[keen inlet]

hmm

tbh I've barely touched rogue on beta, only alpha

[severe iron]

sounds like a job for the tuning pass

[keen inlet]

idk if something changed

but I was gettin' hammered

[severe iron]

same, last I saw on alpha BS ws good

now it's apparently shit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen inlet]

My baby shower's done and most of the home improvement projects finished. I think I'm gonna start drafting a BFA leveling guide soon

I will take your exp under advisement Flowi

[jovial kite]

guys

hold the fuck up

https://gyazo.com/eda1931136f7862b974a8997635e3df9

translate

nobody has been able to so far

i need closure

[severe iron]

oh I'd expect they want blindside to be good after removing it for 2 expos and bringing it back

but we'll see I guess

[viscid helm]

BS doesnt even work with VR

garbo

[solid nova]

Who's ready for some burritos fuckers, they make you go son, ruins the pan, roars like them too because he has lots to sort out. Baz (male friend) is going to be waiting for the bacon and eggs man. Im going mad for them. Anyone want a choc ice? Vans (trainers = run) to the shop though, crumpet dough balls 👌🏼 @jovial kite

Thats my best translation of monkey

[strange python]

i dinged 120 and suddenly everything has double health

[stark heart]

CT deals more dmg than Envenom on 1 target
can you like stop spreading rumors if you have no data to back it up

[viscid helm]

what?

[spare cloud]

Help

Offtopic is politics again

[manic vigil]

Can you even vote yet

[spare cloud]

Vote for xaethron ban

Yes pls

[upbeat finch]

sin on beta seems good from a design perspective, but the energy regen is so damn slow

[spare cloud]

No

How is the desigb good when one of the main design aspects is bad

Not even considering the others

[upbeat finch]

I mean in terms of buttons to press and their interaction

[spare cloud]

How so

[viscid helm]

there is no interaction

[upbeat finch]

the "core" kit is fine and the talents are fine overall

[solid nova]

What buttons?

I dont get it

[spare cloud]

Care to elaborate

[solid nova]

Press Mut, wait 5 seconds to get energy for another one

[upbeat finch]

sin is fun in terms of how it actually plays with its abilities

[spare cloud]

What interactions are good

[solid nova]

That isnt interaction

[upbeat finch]

the pacing is too slow

[solid nova]

Pacing too slow = bad interaction imo

[spare cloud]

So it would be good if you pressed the 2 buttons you press faster?

[upbeat finch]

maybe

yes

[spare cloud]

Im assuming you also like demonhunter rn

[upbeat finch]

I like sin on live

and this feels like an extension of that

albeit slower

DH is aite

[solid nova]

Lack of energy and waiting forever to achieve it

Is horrible

Its a bad interaction if any

[jovial kite]

@solid nova thanks

[solid nova]

I tried for you fam 😦

[jovial kite]

yeah i thanks and appreciate

but what is choc ice

[solid nova]

!!!

Are you yanking my chain

[jovial kite]

the fook

chocolate icecream?

[solid nova]

"A choc ice is the British English term for a generic frozen dessert generally consisting of a rectangular block of ice cream — typically vanilla flavour — thinly coated with chocolate and without a stick."

[jovial kite]

or some cockney slang shit

[solid nova]

Basically yeah

Gonna throw it here so it doesnt get lost in the off topic politics

[hoary copper]

So its a klondike bar?

[solid nova]

Yeah basically

Just more rectangle

Less square

[jovial kite]

and

what the hell is

crumps dough balls

[solid nova]

Crump is slang for like

Boss ass shit

[hoary copper]

I imagine Richard's accent to be like Eliza Doolittle in My Fair Lady before she gets all proper

[solid nova]

So dank dough balls basically

[jovial kite]

boss ass dough balls

[solid nova]

Thats what he said mate

[jovial kite]

boss-ass or boss ass-dough

[solid nova]

I'd go with dank dough balls

To avoid the mix up

[spare cloud]

Slagg

when

[jovial kite]

i wont be managin a run today

[solid nova]

@hoary copper Toph has heard me speak

[jovial kite]

its finnish Kendo world championship match

[spare cloud]

what the

Nice inconsistency

[jovial kite]

🤷🏿

when its time for kendo its time for kendo

[solid nova]

I like to think of it as Hugh Grant meets ex troubled teen

[jovial kite]

aka icehockey

[hoary copper]

Would Toph get the eliza doolittle reference tho?

[solid nova]

Perhaps not

[hoary copper]

Lol so angsty teen hugh?

[spare cloud]

No

I wouldnt

because im stupid

[solid nova]

Tom liked my accent 😦

[hoary copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJr9SSJKkII

[spare cloud]

Eliza doolittle sounds like a children tv series

[solid nova]

Zempai and Tisumi have been chosen ones too

[jovial kite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwfWSX0FYlI

this is richard

[solid nova]

If only i had sound at work

[spare cloud]

we also have richards character

[solid nova]

I see cockney though

[spare cloud]

I'm selling information on it

[hoary copper]

It was a musical made famous by Audrey Hepburn

[spare cloud]

dm with paypal and amount you're willing to pay

[solid nova]

Snitches get stiches

[spare cloud]

I'll share with you

dw

[solid nova]

You need to see moulin rouge toph

Thats a musical you'll like

[spare cloud]

I'd rather not watch musicals

[solid nova]

Youth 😒

[jovial kite]

wait

theres a french film about rouges

?

??

[spare cloud]

I know gichi gichi yaya thingy though

I know that song

[hoary copper]

The rain in spain stays mostly in the plain

That was My Fair Lady/Eliza doolittle

[solid nova]

She sells sea shells on the sea shore. The shells she sells are sea shore sells.

That'll get your tongue going

[spare cloud]

I read that perfectly in my mind

[solid nova]

But in reality

Its pure spaghetti

[spare cloud]

the first part is easy

[jovial kite]

A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood

[spare cloud]

the second one gets you going

that one is not too hard

[jovial kite]

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

[spare cloud]

Slagg

how about some finnish tongue twisters

[solid nova]

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked.
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?

[jovial kite]

tietämättomyydelläänsäkkäänköhän

[spare cloud]

Yes.

I agree

[jovial kite]

its a single finnish word

[solid nova]

My pronunciation on foreign words is awful

Always struggle

[jovial kite]

kakkakikkare

[solid nova]

Think its a british thing

[spare cloud]

I could've guessed that by the lack of

[hoary copper]

What the ...how do you say that?

[spare cloud]

spaces

slagg come voice

and pronounce the word for me pls

[solid nova]

Not even waiting till i get home

Ditched

[spare cloud]

I still agree.

[jovial kite]

yes

wanna learn finnish with slack?

[spare cloud]

I'd rather not

[hoary copper]

Whats that word even mean?

[jovial kite]

tietämättömyys = ignorance
tietämättömyydellä = with ignorance
tietämättmyydelläänsä = with his ignorance
tietämättömyydelläänsäkkään even with his ignorance

welcome to finland

where the language fucks you over

[solid nova]

Probably easier to pretend im deaf and learn sign language tbh

[keen inlet]

Wait hang on

[jovial kite]

[keen inlet]

when I was in Norway

I'm trying to remember

[solid nova]

Were the tvs black and white

[spare cloud]

comparing norway and finnland

[keen inlet]

was it Finland/Norway/Sweden mock Dutch?

[spare cloud]

nice don

everyone mocks dutch

[keen inlet]

they were mocking somebody's language

"even the dutch can't speak it"

I think

[spare cloud]

dutch are getting mocked by all

[hoary copper]

Is there word genders like a separate one for with her ignorance?

[keen inlet]

ok I couldn't remember

Bruen I have no idea what you were trying to say

lol

[jovial kite]

no

[hoary copper]

Language always fascinates me, but I am just a dumb american that cant seem to learn a language.

[jovial kite]

he and she is the same in finnish

hän

[keen inlet]

Oh masculine/feminine

[hoary copper]

yea

[keen inlet]

fascinates me in Spanish

seems so arbitrary

[jovial kite]

minä sinä hän me te he nämä nuo ne tämä tuo se

[spare cloud]

hän

[manic vigil]

Never heard anyone mocking the Dutch

[spare cloud]

mia san mia

[manic vigil]

The Netherlands fucking rock

[hoary copper]

I took Spanish for 3 years in high school. My teacher made fun of my accent so bad I refused to speak it. I can get words here and there

[solid nova]

Hola

[keen inlet]

anyway.

Off topic, reeeeeeeee, etc

[solid nova]

Off topic was politics

[jovial kite]

minä sinä hän me te he nämä nuo ne tämä tuo se
me you him/her we you them these those they this that it

[solid nova]

We had no where to go

[keen inlet]

You are welcome to change the subject

lol

[spare cloud]

Is the political discussion

over

else no swapperino to offtopic

happening

[solid nova]

It's rude to interrupt

[manic vigil]

Perelman is laughing his ass off somewhere in Russia

[solid nova]

And i was brought up to be a good boy

[jovial kite]

laughs in russian

axaxaaxxaaxaxxaxa

[keen inlet]

I have got to whip you regulars into shape

before BFA goes live

[solid nova]

DW don im not playing rogue for bfa

[keen inlet]

and we crack down sin hard

[manic vigil]

W.. Whip?

[solid nova]

Ill still harass you dw

[spare cloud]

[manic vigil]

Where is ramlu when you need him

[spare cloud]

[jovial kite]

no

stop the weebness

[solid nova]

[exotic glen]

Assa channel is vest channel

[jovial kite]

i said stop

[exotic glen]

I have barely been to other channels

Idk the people in there

Best*

[spare cloud]

[manic vigil]

Why do people not edit their shit

Triggers me

[spare cloud]

fuck off

[manic vigil]

Make me

[spare cloud]

blocked

[keen inlet]

Hey

be kind

also

OFF
TOPIC

[marble hemlock]

mutilate

poison bomb

[warm parcel]

alacrity

[manic vigil]

Fok off toph

[hoary copper]

I'll give you a poison bomb

[manic vigil]

[exotic glen]

Toxic blade

[marble hemlock]

already said that earlier

now hell notice

[keen inlet]

when they talkin' Sin stuff in Sin channel

[marble hemlock]

what does that look like when someone suddenly start talking about politics

[hoary copper]

It looks like Perelman

[spare cloud]

What does it feel like to be a mod trying to enforce #off-topic but nobody going there

[keen inlet]

It feels like a slow change

but you know, off-topic used to be totally dead.

and since forcibly ramming y'all into the tight off-topic channel, repeatedly, daily

you have all taken the beating from my Love Truncheon ™ and it becomes more active with time

I call that a win, or the closest I'll get

[marble hemlock]

can we have an offtopic channel with only assa people?

dont want to mix with inferior subs/combats

[manic vigil]

[hoary copper]

Why you ramming us Don

[trail heron]

owo

ramming so hard.

[marble hemlock]

because he likes hitting people with his Love Truncheon ™ 🤔

[exotic glen]

Tfw thinking other specs are so inferior you forgot its outlaw

[marble hemlock]

if blizzard would paint the white house blue, would you suddenly call it the blue house?

[exotic glen]

If they were serious about adopting the name, yes

[marble hemlock]

yeah well, nothing about combat seems to be taken seriously by blizz

[exotic glen]

I do miss combat tho

Was a great spec

[marble hemlock]

absolutely

and then some idiot thought it was a good time to ruin it

[keen inlet]

I miss combat. And I'm worried because SND definitely seems inferior on beta. More testing to be done tho.

And honestly "snd" isn't old combat, either

it's just closer to it than RTB was

I do like a more active rotation than Sin

[exotic glen]

Hell no man

[keen inlet]

if I'm not getting carpel tunnel why am I playing rogue

[marble hemlock]

i miss bandits guile

[exotic glen]

I miss my red buff > killing spree

[keen inlet]

if they'd kept red buff DFA might've worked

[spare cloud]

I want

[keen inlet]

idk tho I was stuck tanking for most of WOD

[spare cloud]

a kpop channel

I would go there any day every day

[marble hemlock]

thats a good reason to have one actually

wed finally get rid of you

[exotic glen]

Was thinking the same thing

[marble hemlock]

i like how people constantly want me for their upper karas

and then ditch me for the keys after

#feelsassaman

[supple hearth]

@spare cloud same

[exotic glen]

are you complaining

its free EoC loot chances

[smoky bluff]

post kpop on #off-topic ?

[solid nova]

I consider kpop disruptive behaviour which is against the RH rules.

No rule breaking

[smoky bluff]

any news on why venom rush doesnt proc with dispatch

[warm parcel]

cause it reads mutilate and not blindside

[solid nova]

Tooltips my man

[smoky bluff]

🤔 ! but of course /s

[lone junco]

Yeah. Seems lame tbh.

[fleet whale]

it should probably proc with blindside cause right now that talent has 0 synergy with anything

[warm parcel]

bs is in its current form poor

[plain thistle]

almost every row have problems now 🤷

with the current tunnning

[smoky bluff]

they should just fuse sin and sub, to make way for gunslinger

[plain thistle]

with the new mastery, MP and TB both are weak (compare to live) , they nerfed EP and blinside is kinda meh

exsanguinate without lining up with vendetta is not that good, venom rush is boring and have a anti sinergy with lvl 15 talent(blindside)

lvl 100 row is a legendary that we never used, poison bomb that current doesnt do enough damage (tunning problem)

crimson tempest is really nice for AoE tho

[smoky bluff]

mastery would fix it?

[jovial kite]

reroll fix it

[plain thistle]

probably, to sub, if they dont bring back DfA and give us something better 😄

[fiery nest]

Fire mage main

[hoary copper]

Go hardcast your pyros!

[fiery nest]

40k+ pyro all day

With shit gear

[warm parcel]

I got 75k pyros and spikes on beta

[fiery nest]

Yea I'm in mostly greens

[manic vigil]

Mage

[zealous dew]

15s cast

[manic vigil]

Are you flowi with a hat?

[fiery nest]

Lol 15s

It's like 4s

[twilit cradle]

hello, i'm wondering if any experience assassin rogue can help me review a player's logs, even if just brief overview

need to evaluate an applicant assassin, any help is greatly appreciated / rewardable on some servers

[fervent beacon]

Just link your log here m8

[twilit cradle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/sargeras/tsukiihi#

[fervent beacon]

Might be slow on replies btw, ded gam

[exotic glen]

idk, been looking for like 2 mins and cant find any major problems

[strange python]

he is good for his item level

[fervent beacon]

Yeah, I was mainly checking his Vari and hardly wasted CP, good opening, etc.

[twilit cradle]

CP?

[lone junco]

What's ilvl and Varith dps?

Web blocked.

[exotic glen]

combo points

[echo estuary]

a bit of a peculiar question Voidbutt, but since ded game and all. How many women do you ensnare through tinder on a weekly basis?

[exotic glen]

966 with 1.9mil dps

[twilit cradle]

anything in particular i should note down about him to officers, in consideration for trial?

[exotic glen]

on vari

[twilit cradle]

good for ilvl, mechanically sound?

[strange python]

oh, the mythic one, i assumed he died

i was looking at heroic

[exotic glen]

you can take a look at mechanics yourself

shouldnt be too hard

[solid nova]

@twilit cradle on your vari log you double ruptured and you have a fair bit of downtime as I can see you're soaking

Few occasions you only got 1 envenom in your kb window as well

[exotic glen]

also i can see him switching to the add while using EoC, resulting in only 30% uptime

should use another trinket

[solid nova]

Ignore the add it dies too fast to waste eoc uptime.

[exotic glen]

you cant do that in a bad raid for example

maybe they lacked burst on the add which is fine

[solid nova]

It's 30m hp odd

He can ignore it

It's a waste of eoc

[exotic glen]

if his teammates are competent yes

[solid nova]

Looking at his log

He can

[strange python]

Depends on if the raid leader screams at him or not for switching

or not switching

[exotic glen]

like i dont mind him switching, just use another trinket

or dont switch and use eoc

[solid nova]

If you're going to switch it's a waste of eoc

[strange python]

if you are asking us to review his logs in detail for the sake of inviting him to your guild then that is counterintuitive no? in that case just the log percentiles can speak for themselves?

[solid nova]

Need to get more envenom in kb windows and not double rupture

Going to sleep but saw that after a minute of looking

So I'm sure there will be more if someone looks more in depth

[exotic glen]

i would but i suck dick at analysing logs, i only know basics

[solid nova]

If its not been done by the time I'm up in an hour or so I'll happily go through

[twilit cradle]

thank you guys for this input

[strange python]

Seems like he's letting garrote drop off a few times.

He should be able to push more even on vari

[exotic glen]

first kills are always bad

[strange python]

yeah very true

[exotic glen]

cant find any super major mistakes tho

minor ones only

[fervent beacon]

@echo estuary I don't go through much women tbh, I just have few FWB 🤷

[twilit cradle]

ty argon, be, richard, void

[cosmic prism]

should i use insignia on sin rogue for mythic + or just keep boots?

[lone junco]

Assuming you keep shoulders? And you don't have Bracers ?

[vapid moth]

All your EoC troubles can be fixed with mouse over macros

If only I could type stuff correctly the first time

[runic crescent]

what legs do ppl run when doing m+?

like upper KZ fort for exdample

mostly ST

[fervent beacon]

bracers/mantle

[runic crescent]

bracers is pointless on trash

[fervent beacon]

30% is useless when you're fokin away on trash, amirite?

it also affect your PB as well since its a poison

[plain thistle]

bracer pointless 😂

our damage on AoE is almost entirely poison bomb and deadly poison but bracer is useless 🤔

[fervent beacon]

I mean what's the other options?

Cloak?

Boots?

Crown?

[viscid helm]

such AoE legos

[fervent beacon]

oh right, there's always the KJ trinket

[arctic venture]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[lone junco]

@Toomes (Trent)#9600 Bracers are fine on trash. (Almost) All mobs have a 30 to 0 range.

[hoary copper]

Nice ping

[rustic yoke]

what stat weights are best for poison rogue?

[plain thistle]

[abstract thunder]

!relic

!help

[chrome tusk]

!simc, !outlawguide, !singuide, !subguide, !enchants, !relics, !trinkets

Commands Plugin Commands

!enchants

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!help

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!outlawguide

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!relics

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!simc

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!singuide

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!subguide

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!trinkets

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[abstract thunder]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[twin pulsar]

@marble hemlock nice bomb damage

[marble hemlock]

:3

[twin pulsar]

grats on wf

[marble hemlock]

thanks

that coen should put me at #1 rogue aswell

[twin pulsar]

nice man and as assa

[marble hemlock]

assa > sub confirmed

[twin pulsar]

lol

are you still doing helm boots.?

[marble hemlock]

for singletarget? yeah

[exotic glen]

cyka blyat

[twin pulsar]

what do you run for aoe?

[marble hemlock]

mantle+bracer

[twin pulsar]

for sure ty!

[lethal heart]

@marble hemlock 👏

[marble hemlock]

always getting a headache when playing with this grp tho

yikes

[still totem]

Why helm for st?

[lethal heart]

you have very realistic chance of doing that 29

[marble hemlock]

cause i have 985+socket shoulders/bracers

and they just sim better for me, by ~20k

[lethal heart]

they tried 29 before

and they had like 6 minutes for maiden + 5% trash

wiped to maiden to 2nd shield

[marble hemlock]

yeah, should be doable, depends a lot on how smoothly the trashpulls go

[lethal heart]

i think if you can do smoothly 1st boss

it's possible already

[marble hemlock]

yeah, firstboss might be hyperyikes with only 2 short-cd interrupts

[potent island]

is the vigor ring good at all

[south bone]

hey chaps, sorry for the noob question, been looking at the herodamage relic info for t21, not sure I understand which trait to pick in my 2nd weapon relic between serrated edge( 5/5 without) and master assassin (5/5 without picking this one). Been trying to wrap my head around the table in the link, still lost... 😛

[lethal heart]

idk they did it with warlock/boomie/monk

they probably just manipulated who it goes on

like boomie/tank its fine, rest interrupts

[marble hemlock]

ye, need to be conservative with interrupts

[hollow matrix]

whats the best way to sim argus fight considering the buffs deaths/respawns etc that are possible anyone know?

anything other than just bleh 10min patchwork?

and can u add vantus rune to sims?

[lone junco]

doesnt matter does it? its flat dmg increase

[hollow matrix]

yea i guess w/ vers u are right

[lone junco]

these are the simple options

if you do advanced, you can change whatever you want.

but re Argus (M) damn near everyone uses bracers. the other slot is up to you.

[hollow matrix]

oh right on

ty sir for your time, u da best

(not to assume any genders or anything)

😃

[lone junco]

if your crit is high, you can do insig

or boots

if not then shoulders

[still totem]

What do you sim with for m+? @marble hemlock

[hollow matrix]

ok i'll check it out thx

[lone junco]

@still totem I use patchwerk 8x20s 4x40s 1x3min.

[marble hemlock]

yeah

thats pretty much it

i do 6x40s for trash

since packs on highkeys usually last longer and are smaller

but thats pretty much it, ye

[lone junco]

raid bot added that same day when I asked them.

not that it matters, but turn off bloodlust for the 20s/40s

[marble hemlock]

i usually do a few different sims for the 1x3min patchwerk

[lone junco]

btw. was sad that bleed didnt win for any condition

[marble hemlock]

are those with triple pk?

[lone junco]

nah. mine

[marble hemlock]

kk

[lone junco]

3v 1bb 1env 1 something

[marble hemlock]

yeah, im assuming triple pk is going to make that green look even more enjoyable

[lone junco]

I liked the weighted avg by pull count

was really bored that day

[marble hemlock]

@still totem but yeah, thats really all the sims i do. short-duration burst fights with multiple targets for trash-simulation, so 8targets20sec, and 6target40sec, a 3min bossfight, usually two sims with and without mantle to get statweights, and the regular raidsim

[lone junco]

short fat pack weights are funny tho

like 250 mastery 160 agi 160 vers 120 crit 4 haste

[marble hemlock]

which then leads to 3 different sets of statweights. trash, m+ bossfights (which use mantle) and non-mantle bossfights (which are just the raid-statweights)

[still totem]

@marble hemlock @lone junco ty both

[marble hemlock]

( Pawn: v1: "m+ AoE": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, CritRating=109.97, Agility=153.13, HasteRating=42.8, MasteryRating=248.61, Versatility=189.88 )

mastery > all

[lone junco]

do you do glaives for fat packs?

[marble hemlock]

nah

im pretty much sticking to my 945engine nowadays

[lone junco]

My fel bomb trinket raw mastery wins i think.

even with the awk bomb timings

my engine is shit.

[marble hemlock]

engine is pretty nice because when you get a good proc-streak

you can just keep it on and blast on an upcoming boss

[lone junco]

you staying rogue for bfa?

[marble hemlock]

definitely

[lone junco]

I like the contacts i have made here. I dont want to learn a new class or new people tbh.

[marble hemlock]

only time i didnt play rogue was during wotlk, when i was tanking from naxx to icc, and ultimately switched back to rogue during icc because i just missed the class too much

[lone junco]

too old for that shit.

I love that I never die.

[marble hemlock]

fall-damage too

[lone junco]

i mean, Enh, splat. Hunters, Splat. DH gibbed.

Ret bubbles and Rogues live

and fuck if im playing ret

[marble hemlock]

jumping down cliffs that you know you can survive as rogue, and every other classj ust dies unless they have a blink

just sucks :p

[lone junco]

that whackamole bullshit

[exotic glen]

i just dont like switching class 😦

[lone junco]

I want a battle rez

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/AiAlW/dcb47c52eb.jpg

it is done

assa > sub confirmed

[fiery nest]

took him that long to get enough pb procs

[marble hemlock]

😄

[strange python]

thats some thicc score

[jovial kite]

not bad tbh @marble hemlock

[marble hemlock]

fucking sub-plebs

but were still gonna get reduced to "nice poison bombs" :/

[turbid harbor]

gz @marble hemlock 😃

[exotic glen]

tfw can barely do coen as a weekly 15

[marble hemlock]

for score on raider.io? yeah

even a 2sec overtime will immediately cost you like 40points, whereas the difference between barely intime and 2chest is ~10score

well

finishing a +1 key is usually not the issue, not on fortified anyway

if you wanna time it however, you need to be able to get atleast 3-4min intime on the -1 keylevel to have a chance

[exotic glen]

i can only imagine the 27 team did monster pulls

[marble hemlock]

in coen specifically you usually skip the first trash alltogether and make up for it by killing all the fleeing imps on the stairs

which can only be done with a heavy-aoe lineup though

[lone junco]

For seat last boss do vanish in the 10sec window?

I assume yes.

[marble hemlock]

ye

[exotic glen]

if you have cds i guess

[marble hemlock]

since youre playing nightstalker anyway

you just pop everything and hope for a bomb, but even without it its good burst damage

[lone junco]

We run an arcane. He can wreck the 10sec window.

[marble hemlock]

well

upper is weird

[lone junco]

Last time I did tyr. I was exang there. Prob wouldn't again.

[marble hemlock]

because the timer is way too long

we wiped on medivh at like 20%, so we lost ~4mins on that fight

[lone junco]

Glad the 4dps teams didn't make it to the end.

That's silly.

[marble hemlock]

upper isnt really affected during fortified because theres no scary trashmobs that suddenly survive ~10-15sec longer

for every other key, when comparing say 27 to 28, you gotta have atleast a 4-5min intime on the 27 if you wanna be able to make the 28

exponential scaling says hi

but upper only has like 4 trashpulls

[lone junco]

You take the 3bansheees and robot to the arcane packs?

[marble hemlock]

well, 27 is 1090% health/damage, 28 is 1211%

so yeah, every trashpack usually lasts 10-15sec longer becuase of that one level

usually you shroud the first 2 banshees, then either MC (dk tank) or cc (repentance) the 3rd one, and do double robots. if you MCed, you release either with the robots or on the miniboss

[lethal heart]

@lone junco just one banshee

and you take it only for being efficient really

because you just cleave 3 mobs

like killing 2 mobs or 3 makes no difference

[marble hemlock]

well

[lethal heart]

since everyone pops cds there

[marble hemlock]

its usually for sephuz-efficiency

[lethal heart]

that aswell

[marble hemlock]

since you cannot proc sephuz on the robots, but the banshee works

with either interrupt or stun/roots

[lone junco]

We did teeming fort 20 and the tank got gibbed on the 4 banshees.

[lethal heart]

yea

[lone junco]

Was a mess.

[marble hemlock]

so its an overall dps increase to take one banshee with the 2 robots

[lethal heart]

banshees are insanely strong

and not worth to play

give close to 0 mob count

whereas mana wyrms have close to half of their hp

and give twice as much count

because reasons ???

[marble hemlock]

the debuffs are ridiculous, especially the curse since its 2players and not every healer can dispell curses

[lethal heart]

i remember good old times when it was 1st teeming ever during kara dungeons

and there were like 7 ghosts in total

and we couldnt kill them for like 30 minutes xD

was same with arcane anomalies in moroes room

[marble hemlock]

triple elementals in lower when the debuff actually did damage

[lethal heart]

they were so op

[lone junco]

Do we think Druid soothe (enrage) will be a insanely strong m+ kit?

[marble hemlock]

was superyikes

[lethal heart]

yea hahaah

if they can dispel raging

and raging is still a thing

because not many mobs enrage

i can think of eoa warriors that enrage

[lone junco]

Apparently Druid is the only enrage dispel. In bfa.

[lethal heart]

but its irrelevant, since you can just kite them

if they make trash mechanics/miniboss that legit enrage then yea

[lone junco]

Prob just the scorpions in the volcano

[lethal heart]

looks like a very strong tool

[lone junco]

I worry about h e gnomes in the giant robots.

[marble hemlock]

i miss shiv dispelling enrage

or tranqshot dispelling magic effects

[lethal heart]

yea shiv is exclusively pvp talent

i think

[marble hemlock]

i still ask hunters to dispell mobs sometimes

[lethal heart]

and it's even renamed maybe?

[lone junco]

Shiv is pvp.

[lethal heart]

it's shiv for sub

and neurotoxin blade for assa

isnt it?

pvp talents, they do probably same

just different names

[lone junco]

Applies poison I think. Haven't pvpd in years.

Like 3 matches in late 2016. A dh flew in the air and shot me to death. Lol nope.

WTF IS THIS.

[marble hemlock]

hehe yeah

pvp talents are somewhat weird, especially when its active abilities

because youre almost never confronted with them, so you have no clue what other people can do

[lethal heart]

pvp talents are weird

it's such a gate

btw Seli when you did 28 upper

what was the spark damage/boss damage like?

were you on top of boss damage/spark damage?

[heavy plover]

Was Poison Bomb buffed on BFA, on BFA it's 4% per combo and live it's 2.5% right?

[plain thistle]

yes

[heavy plover]

Damn

[plain thistle]

and their nerfed the damage (plus mastery change)

[lone junco]

Faster tick duration.

[heavy plover]

maybe assassination will be viable in m+ in BFA

[plain thistle]

not because of poison bomb tho

crimson tempest

[heavy plover]

yeah i'm talking about everything, crimson tempest looks good i can feel the bleeds being good with Esanguinate

like putting a full tempest up then popping Esanguinate

i can't spell it

[plain thistle]

for single target?

not sure if that will be viable

[heavy plover]

no in m+

[lone junco]

Exang is st only.

[plain thistle]

exsanguinate is 1 target

[lone junco]

And Ep is 4sec.

[heavy plover]

damn, feelsbadman

i'm just quickly going over classes spells as i have no beta

[lone junco]

I loved 4p21. Will be rough moving on.

50c feelsgood too.

[heavy plover]

alot of classes will feel so slow again with the removal of artifacts/legendaries

[lone junco]

@gusty kestrel did you say you were averaging 3k-4K per instance?

Or much lower.

[lean hill]

Overall dps? I know I had been seeing 6-7k on what I assume were bosses

Can abilities now hit for less than 7k? Lol

[heavy plover]

Is there any classes that you think will be great for m+ or too early to tell?

[lone junco]

My guy is only 113

Just don't want to be doing 4K next to a lock doing 40k.

M+ wise.

[heavy plover]

lock seems weak in bfa without alot of the traits

if you're talking m+

[strange python]

demo is good

[lone junco]

I did the scenarios on dh. That made me lol.

Was 10k packs.

[heavy plover]

ye i feel like they only care about pushing demo tho and forgot about the other specs

[strange python]

well

im fine with 'fuck affliction' strategy

no king rules forever

[lone junco]

Implosion has a ramp.

[heavy plover]

I agree but it shouldn't just be left to crumble

like soulflame and everything has gone so it won't be as strong in m+ but it should still be viable

[strange python]

it isnt left, its just boring

[lone junco]

That dread bolt hitting for 40k isn't shabby.

Affliction.

[heavy plover]

that's what i said you don't even spam out your UA's anymore you just leave them rolling with dots up and shadowbolt

can we remove DH not it's not longer leigon

thanks

[strange python]

what

[true ingot]

But then all the DH players will be forced to go BM.

[spare cloud]

@manic vigil

[vapid moth]

anyone have a good show to watch

[void pecan]

that new weird animal anime on netflix

even if you don't like weeb stuff

[civic palm]

What kinda shows you like?

[vapid moth]

breaking bad number 1. then in no particular order OitNB, Jane the Virgin, Better call Saul and yeah thats about it

[echo estuary]

try ozark

[vapid moth]

created by the guy who made The Accountant... hmmm

Drug cartel... hmmmm

[echo estuary]

the accountant was grossly over-the-top

[vapid moth]

agreeed. i liked it nonetheless

[echo estuary]

the niche was intriguing, give you that

[vapid moth]

yeah thats what i loved

[fervent beacon]

Does not even mention game of thrones

[vapid moth]

ive never been into the shows that were so fucking mainstream

[fervent beacon]

[void pecan]

Hipster.

[vapid moth]

i know. but did you expect more of me?

[safe matrix]

I have no expectations of you

and I'm still continually disappointed

[void pecan]

LOL

[vapid moth]

just like my parents

[heavy plover]

watch Marvel's The Punisher

[vapid moth]

i watch marvel for explosions and fights and shit. the storyline has to be real fucking good for me to watch a series

[heavy plover]

The Punisher is really fuckin good

[void pecan]

Yep

[echo estuary]

did they just rip off the equalizer, re-labeled it and passed it off as their own?

cus i loved the equalizer

[heavy plover]

nah, i'd say Jon Bernthal does a really good job of bringing the punisher to life tbh

[vapid moth]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[zealous dew]

w000 gratz @marble hemlock

[marble hemlock]

:3

[woeful wigeon]

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii hhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttteeeeeeeeee MAGE TOWER

[strange python]

??

eyy

[woeful wigeon]

cant get it done tryed almost 10kshards

[wise frigate]

The Sin one? What ilvl are you?

[woeful wigeon]

sin yeah 970 that the wurst part of it

[wise frigate]

o.o

[woeful wigeon]

\

[wise frigate]

I don't mean to be rude but...

How

Sin is by far the easiest of the 3 rogue towers, and one of the easiest over all specs.

[strange python]

wtf

[woeful wigeon]

seems i failing at some point

[strange python]

i wouldnt say sin is the easiest

uh, maybe

idk

[wise frigate]

I definitely would.

Agatha is so much easier to fuck up.

[strange python]

agatha one is the easiest by far

[wise frigate]

I just meant Sin specifically.

[strange python]

just run around and avoid shit

[wise frigate]

Sin + Sigryn is easier than almost all of them, outside of like Veng DH, Disc Priest, and WW Monk.

Agatha is pretty easy to fuck up if you get overwhelmed.

[strange python]

agatha was a joke, especially on fury warrior

bursted her to 52% on first pull

[wise frigate]

Sigryn, you can survive most fuckups easily.

(As a Sin rogue)

[solid nova]

At 970 with legs you don't even need to dodge valks

[wise frigate]

Hell I didn't dodge Valks at 910.

You can tank a hit with Feint.

Or just Cloak it and take 0 damage.

[woeful wigeon]

i dieing of someting else

[solid nova]

970 is massively over tuned

[woeful wigeon]

i get like 3-4 hited

[strange python]

pick up runes

[wise frigate]

Are you blinding Sigryn during her cast?

Are you standing in the runes?

[woeful wigeon]

i am doing that small to big

[wise frigate]

Are you kiting the whirlwind?

Are you breaking caster's shield?

If yes, you win.

[woeful wigeon]

the guy wih sord i ned to kindney right

sword

[solid nova]

At 970 you out gear it massively, so you're clearly missing a mechanic

[woeful wigeon]

then run away