and its never had hatchet toss on a bfa build
#assassination
stuck peak
i doubt they would just forget to add an ability if they were planning to give it traits 🤷
civic palm
More important, Chakrams is a thing, so it would be repetitive.
nimble tartan
SIN ROGUE OMEGALUL
lone junco
TBH I'm pretty annoyed that Ep is 4 dec.
Was hoping for prepatch memes. But they are fucking with me.
And the flat VR on mut is dumb.
Could have just baked in the 4p21
civic palm
I still think the haste changes were made to kinda bandage the loss of T21.
Though Blindside needs to be on VR > _>
dire spoke
I want tacos ._.
civic palm
Tacooooos
void pecan
you better have gotten more tacos
quick ice
I kinda feel like tacos for lunch now...
thick jacinth
will assassination lose surge of toxins or is it an azerite trait?
quick ice
haven't seen it as an azerite trait yet
thick jacinth
hmm so poison builds considerably weaker I guess
civic palm
No tuning No telling
thick jacinth
but now we're doing decent dmg with both?
vapid moth
how do i bring up the fact that 6 healers is excessive and frankly useless
plain thistle
decent damage? number are not done yet, you cant judge based on current beta
thick jacinth
show them logs of every guild not using 6 healers.
civic palm
By pointing out overhealing or the healers having too much mana.
vapid moth
damage sucks
cause no one actually gives a shit
they all sim higher than me i really dont get it
dire spoke
hitting sim dps on progress
thick jacinth
and I didn't mean actual numbers, but you can still see dmg breakdowns % dmg from abilties
vapid moth
but zempai im still always top dps.
plain thistle
that obviously changed with the mastery change and talents (no traits as well)
quick ice
maybe you need to slack off more to fit in?
dire spoke
you're rogue, you stand in most of the shit
- dps literally says nothing about performance when there are duties and avoiding damage
so that's mostly the point others suck at
you may speak down to your mates if you're top dps doing your duties and still belong to the least damage taken players
vapid moth
alright
drifting cloud
are u 6 healing dogs again
civic palm
wtf on DOGS?!
vapid moth
lmao welcome to the convo
civic palm
O _O
dire spoke
I'm not trying to offend you Xaeth, I was at that point for most of the progress and it was a factor on why I changed the guild
drifting cloud
pretty sure everything else except going offline is a waste of time 🤔
supple hearth
Sempai Zempai 😍
void pecan
At least you're not doing 1.3? mil dps on argus anymore
vapid moth
yeaaaah. suuuuure
dire spoke
that was all 25 Aggr M wipes before I applied to another guild https://snag.gy/Vb1R4g.jpg https://snag.gy/wQ3SXY.jpg https://snag.gy/VMS61n.jpg
🤷🏻 pretty pathetic
civic palm
Blazing Eruption O _O
vapid moth
5.7B? Aggramar have 50bill hp or some shit?
dire spoke
it's 25 wipes not 1
vapid moth
oh ok
dire spoke
if it looks like this for you too Xaeth feel free to go up a few world ranks
vapid moth
deaths to foe breaker
dire spoke
nice 0% wipe on garothi you got today
lone junco
Not as much crit as I was hoping, but
46 haste
plus that sephuz proc for exang.
🆗
vapid moth
oh ok
lone junco
I can prob get 50/40
lone junco
wot
vapid moth
on garothi? not unless its needed. not gonna run accross the map to get somehting range clearly has
i know. i should feint a lot more. really bad at that
civic palm
uShadowPriestNow
dire spoke
expecting others to double soak while complaining to be top dps
lone junco
10 sec overlap is nice
dire spoke
good job, that's an F on duties tbh
lone junco
would prob bota fish then kickvanishexang
vapid moth
i never said i dont double soak
lone junco
wait.. alacrity would get me to 95% haste
civic palm
Correct.
But at the same time.
Not possible.
and you know why :3
Hopefully O _O"
vapid moth
yawn
mighty star
is Master Assassin talent any good or nah
vapid moth
for beta? nah its horse shit rn
mighty star
feelsbadman
civic palm
Correct. Too short, 50% ain't great.
mighty star
Just make it baseline, put shadow focus in its place, GG
But Blizz is terrified of making stuff baseline
civic palm
Then it would be even worse...
vapid moth
ew. shadow focus felt so basic
vapid moth
ye
lone junco
115% haste with sephuz proc
void pecan
gotta go fast.
vapid moth
lmao
civic palm
HMMMMMMMMMMMM
dire spoke
no spoilers pls
vapid moth
its very cleary the dinosaur mount
dire spoke
the f*ck did you play crown when it's your worst setup Xaeth 
vapid moth
ooof. the eonarwipes
its acgtually not my worst setup
it sims the most. strange i know
10k above bracer. and easier to play around
dire spoke
I did an error
but you could think of using vendetta earlier then because of the capping nrg
vapid moth
didnt think i did cap. what boss you looking at
dire spoke
Really? Well it could be right I just thought of the double gain you get from vend+kb
never used crown that was just feelycraft rn
vapid moth
yeah i watch that shit
its fun to play with. crown was like the first or second leggo i got
dire spoke
I mean the energy gain with vend>tb>kb you get should be 60-30-38-8-8-8-8
looking at the APL with crown the profile has already +90% energy after KB WITHOUT vend
because it uses it out of stealth
that's why I think using the guide opener is pretty useless since you got a gain anyway
wanna look at a non-crown APL energy situation rn ... https://snag.gy/o8tBXH.jpg
vapid moth
do most people have a methodic way of doing eonar or is it just kill whatever you see however you see fit?
dire spoke
I think vendetta is pretty much an overkill, sure for both setup combinations - but more for crown
vapid moth
Maybe in the opener. But my dps has definitely not been lower. I think I'll keep it for now
And like I said it's easier to play around. No more being forced to wait for 30% to use second pot.
rigid shuttle
Is it ever worth saving vendetta for Kingsbane/Toxic Blade?
vapid moth
5 seconds at most
But if they both fit in vendetta window you should be good
It's a 20 second buff after all
rigid shuttle
all right, cool. thanks
vapid moth
Np
civic palm
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
viscid helm
Daily reminder bfa is shit
jovial kite
atomic grotto
ohayooo
zealous dew
can't even finish the scenario without puking
atomic grotto
What scenario though?
zealous dew
the one when you create a char on beta
atomic grotto
Oh god its boring after a point
zealous dew
it's boring at 1st quest
atomic grotto
after the first time
zealous dew
or step
zealous dew
prob beucase rotation is zzzzzz
atomic grotto
CT is the only nice inclusion
talents are distributed shitty
if they want people to switch talents for aoe and st
they should think a bit more
cause venom rush, tb, exsang on same row
and pb, hidden blades,ct on last row
u are forced to go pb for ST
and the other row is useless on aoe
safe matrix
Hidden blades is better for single target I think
atomic grotto
and dont get me started on the blindside vr combo
which is shit
this is even more stupid
fok da police
viscid helm
CT worth using ST rn
atomic grotto
my tilt is real
zealous dew
i tried either you ct or you envenom
although shitty ui might slap an envenom here and there
viscid helm
Keeping CT dot up on ST
zealous dew
oh well
viscid helm
Is worth
zealous dew
yeah deals ton of dmg
atomic grotto
but its a stupid design
zealous dew
also tried sub
viscid helm
CT dot deals as much dmg as envenom so
strange python
we cant really say a lot for bfa numbers now can we
vanish -> CT does pretty nice damage on aoe
strange python
what's your in-game name
atomic grotto
u spam it for the initial damage?
viscid helm
And the only numbers we can talk about is the ones up now
So might as well
Yes the intial dmg is worth way more than envenom
strange python
we need the BrokeBack twitch emote
viscid helm
Dunno, depends on content
Could just pick NS for rupture
For St
And not use vanish on trash
Lets say m+
nimble tartan
u know whats interesting if the initial hit of CT is actually strong
mfd sin with CT is basically like scuffed DFA in terms
of aoe
viscid helm
I hate the 90 row
nimble tartan
u just like CT spam
viscid helm
Its all so bad
atomic grotto
venom trash
zealous dew
😄
atomic grotto
snd outlaw and use killing spree
nimble tartan
tfw sin mythic + build gonna be elaborate planning with mfd ct spam pogchamp
atomic grotto
thats the way
nimble tartan
even if u hit the pb it does no damage in bfa omegalul
atomic grotto
we need to find the designers
and ask the an honest WHY
them*
pb shouldnt be there wasting a talent slot
viscid helm
Remove whole 90 row
atomic grotto
yeap thats true
viscid helm
Please
strange python
but toxic blade 😦
zealous dew
i haz a question, a serious one, why on some logs the 2nd hit from ember on aggramar doesn't get empowered by 100% blazing debuff and on other logs it does ?
strange python
oh it's 3 even
atomic grotto
I SEE WHAT U DID THERE
strange python
did they put any talents in 100 yet
atomic grotto
edgy af
marble hemlock
sounds like we applied some sort of explosives device to a shadowpriest and then while hes unsuspecting during the raid, he explodes for big damage
atomic grotto
hell no
strange python
I mean I dont even know
outlaw I hate the roll the bones
sub I hate the symbols gcd
sin is pretty much the only thing I like atm
marble hemlock
arent they removing symbols GCD again?
strange python
are they
atomic grotto
symbols is off gcd i read
strange python
poggers
marble hemlock
atomic grotto
also the only way i could play outlaw is with snd
strange python
finally
holy fuck
that was abnoxious af
and yeah I outlaw SnD is awesome
as long as u have some on-hit effects
to make full use of it
marble hemlock
New talent (replacing Strike from the Shadows): Shuriken storm applies 8 sec snare to all targets
yikes
strange python
please
marble hemlock
too bad sub without all of what it currently has is going to be hypertrash
strange python
I mean u never know
atomic grotto
3-4 months for tuning
atomic grotto
release and after 1-2 more months
strange python
u know 3 shadow dances
atomic grotto
more tuning
marble hemlock
no mantle, no cloak, no shadow nova
quick ice
no more alacrity :sadface:
marble hemlock
how can you unsub when youre not playing sub before? 🤔
atomic grotto
thats a mistery
strange python
i wished they removed SoD rather than remove GCD
inner talon
wait so whats exsang opener with shoulders?
shrewd night
@jovial kite is shoulders even optimal for exsang 
inner talon
no boots and bracers are
marble hemlock
not sure anything changes really
just take a look at the non-shoulder opener and think about whats gonna change for CP generation when all those garrotes/mutilates crit
marble hemlock
that one is w/o mantle
shrewd night
^
atomic grotto
u dont use mantle on exsang
shrewd night
....
marble hemlock
just cut out one of the mutilates required to hit the 6cp rupture before vanish
shrewd night
Lone are you just being combative for giggles, or whats going on
atomic grotto
again why would u play exsang with shoulders
atomic grotto
with t20 2set? 🤔
shrewd night
marble hemlock
you never know
shrewd night
Thats the most banjo thing Ive heard all morning
atomic grotto
i would suggest to that guy to play poisons
if he doesnt have what exsang setup needs
marble hemlock
well, from a min-max point of view, theres little reason to play exsang when youre not geared for it
shrewd night
Thats outside the Scope of his question.
marble hemlock
yup
shrewd night
He seemed well aware of what was required
inner talon
lmao
marble hemlock
some people just want to watch the world burn
atomic grotto
u answered his question
marble hemlock
well
atomic grotto
i just asked why would he want to do that
marble hemlock
on the left is exsang with all the leggos/relics
on the right is playing exsang with shoulders
so yeah, its not pretty, but as i said, some people prefer to not give a fuck, and thats a valid point of view, so dont let anyone tell you otherwise
wise frigate
Green names are the worst.
atomic grotto
its pretty obvious that you are free to play as u please
i find exsang more fun than tb
jovial kite
@shrewd night no
inner talon
lmao lets see
regal furnace
How is assass in high level mythic keys?
atomic grotto
Pray for pb
atomic grotto
pretty strong on tyrannical bosses
regal furnace
Currently play sub and i enjoy it. Assass is a boring AF rotation but was just wondering being a dot spec how good it is on adds
Its reliant on poision bomb procs no?
solid nova
Depends how long they live for
PB, Rupture times etc.
Also depends on what you class as a high level key
If you enjoy sub, its superior overall, so wouldnt see a need to swap to sin tbh
atomic grotto
If u try to push keys
u practically want burst on trash mobs
thats where sin is lacking
cause his only burst is pb
for aoe
although the slow from poisons is pretty nice
marble hemlock
in high keys assa has a higher dps potential than sub, sub has better prio-target damage than assa, and assa doesnt have any burst-aoe
so if your group doesnt have like a boomy+ww or something that can cover the weaknesses of assa, stay sub
shrewd night
Slow from poisons
marble hemlock
if you do however have other classes to take care of trash even if you dont get lucky on bombprocs, then assa is the way to go
shrewd night
My braincells is about to implode from the banjo
atomic grotto
which banjo dear sir?
marble hemlock
for what its worth, assa has better survivability too because of the crimson vial trait and higher energy-regen, meaning you dont lose as much dps compared to sub when you have to feint once in a while
atomic grotto
also sin is really good on upper karazhan
solid nova
Upper is where sin shines in comparison to sub
Always has done
Scenarios where you'd want to use crippling?
shrewd night
Around 0
solid nova
None come to mind rofl
atomic grotto
if u dont have a warlock
solid nova
What.
atomic grotto
u can slow the trashpack
atomic grotto
why would u slow the trash pack?
marble hemlock
so you can kite it
shrewd night
Whats the highest prio, nuking the trashpack or slowing it? If the prio is that you need a slow, pull less. There is zero reason to gimp a dps if you havent made a composition to handle such pulls.
But uuuh.. You do you.
atomic grotto
sanguine
atomic grotto
u can also avoid casts
solid nova
Stop
shrewd night
This is a tilting amount of banjo
atomic grotto
rofl
solid nova
Slowing adds for sanguine, just no.
marble hemlock
of course you slow adds for sanguine
atomic grotto
like this week on europe
marble hemlock
if mobs are kited and stacked on top of each other
atomic grotto
fortified sanguine
shrewd night
Yes, lets slow them
marble hemlock
they dont get healed by sanguine when affected by a 60% slow
shrewd night
marble hemlock
even if they dont die evenly
and with a BDK you usually want to kite most of the time anyway, because the DK only loses around 300-500k dps when kiting, whereas the healer can suddenly start dishing out 2-4mil dps on the trashpack, leading to an overall gain
atomic grotto
if u wanna push timers
marble hemlock
yes, because you dont time a key by not doing crazy pulls
marble hemlock
even if a pull is messed up with sanguine for example and it takes you 4min to clear it, its preferable to having 3pulls which last 1min30 each instead
and sometimes its not so much about time-efficiency, but cooldown efficiency instead
i.e. in halls of valor, you pull big because you dont have the interrupt-CDs to handle multiple smaller pulls one after another
so you do a bigpull with thundercallers/runecarvers, do a smaller pull with sentinel+mystic, do a bigpull again, and so on
defensive, utility and offensive cooldown management is one of the most important factors in whether you time a key or not
shrewd night
Like, I get efficiency, I get large pulls. But five minutes before Youre entering the instance, is really this the thought process? 'We need to do large pulls, so lets get a slow. Ah yes, a rogue.'
marble hemlock
nah, usually the way it goes is a grp gets built, then you have a look at what keys you have, and you do one thats most suited to the comp
shrewd night
Exactly.
marble hemlock
and when youre running ww+boomy+rogue
theres really only one key you dont wanna do, and thats BRH
all the others are absolutely fine
solid nova
So sin for slows because?
marble hemlock
obviously not everyone may see it that way
solid nova
Like thats the whole point
shrewd night
So it all goes back full circle to -> Dont fucking use crippling.
marble hemlock
of course you use crippling
marble hemlock
theres very few situations where you dont use crippling on purpose because you dont want to slow mobs
marble hemlock
and yes, i have been invited to, i.e. a hov27, because they were already having a ww+boomy in the grp, and wanted something durable that can also slow -> assa
thats just flatout wrong @atomic grotto
solid nova
You are lol
marble hemlock
assa just has a higher damage ceiling in highkeys
which obviously isnt all that matters
as i said before, sub has better burst-aoe and priority target damage, but thats also not all you need. if your comp or the key doesnt require any more prio-target damage then theres no reason to bring a sub when assa just does more damage, period.
and its not like assa prio-target damage is shoddy
once you get into 26+ though, mobs survive long enough for sub to fall off dps-wise because trash just lives too long
shrewd night
Still waiting for that reason to slow adds on sanguine btw @atomic grotto
atomic grotto
do the first pack on hov
marble hemlock
because not slowing means the tank will have to tank @shrewd night
marble hemlock
and a slow doesnt make the mobs heal while theyre being kited
marble hemlock
if theyre stacked up properly, the wont heal. if theyre not stacked up properly, you still prefer to have a slow on them so the tank doesnt have to tank and can kite instead, and play around potential sanguine-healing-issues with knockbacks/grips instead
marble hemlock
well, hov is a bad example
because that first pull in particular you slow so the tank doesnt run out of space while kiting
has nothing to do with sanguine however
atomic grotto
boss sneaked up on me
rofl
as i said first reasoning was for the tank kiting
anyway
g2g
strange python
😄
jovial kite
This channel is dead?????????
jovial kite
Hi :3
marble hemlock
bye :3
dire spoke
dire spoke
NOOT NOOT
jovial kite
marble hemlock
thats a nice emote you got there
dire spoke
Also 
vapid moth
Oh joy. Being told to install an addon so I can remember shit I'm able to remrmber without the addon
dire spoke
exorsus
vapid moth
Eonar shit
vapid moth
Yea
dire spoke
what now
vapid moth
Huh
dire spoke
playing without weakauras
steep obsidian
a likely story
prisma gull
But on topic, I've only ever started using WA these past 2 months, and tmw since legion launch
You can trust me, im a bear
Dbm/bigwigs since tbh though, which was the launch of my raid career
dire spoke
Well either you don't use boss mods because you're lazy listening to your RL calling every ability due to a bad Roster that can't think by itself
Or you're really into boss voice lines
vapid moth
Nope
solid nova
What the fuck man
vapid moth
At the same time I rarely make mistakes
vivid bone
lol
dire spoke
The correct answer was yes btw
vivid bone
I get how, but why
vapid moth
Meh. I get a feel for it after doing the boss a few times
solid nova
How can you look at boss timers and relate to CDs etc?
dire spoke
RaidLead is an idiot and has 19 minion robots
solid nova
Ofcourse you dont have to worry about mistakes smashing heroic
Progressing eonar 2 months before bfa
Pugs can clear beyond that 
vapid moth
I turn on coven in DBM. For the most part I can tell when it's coming
solid nova
vapid moth
Like I said. It's never been an issue lol
solid nova
Why would it be when clearing less then pugs lol
No boss mods, my days.
Ive heard it all now
solid nova
Complaining about guild
Complains about guild members not wanting to sim
Complains about guild no using class discords
Doesnt want to use boss mods
dire spoke
But also at this point you honestly have to be completely delusional when you say, that you'd be a viable member in a functional roster
vapid moth
Doesnt die either
solid nova
Progress mythic when its not end of expansion without any boss mods/was
Then say that
vapid moth
Delusional maybe. But I have DBM all the bosses are just off
solid nova
Not when you're chugging away at heroic lol
vivid bone
enchants are expensive man, better not use them
dire spoke
In a functional Roster your RL is not spoonfeed reading you bosstimers. There is no was you could perform well ist what I'm saying
solid nova
Always knew you had a sense of humour.
dire spoke
What
regal furnace
Lol at all the cucks trying to show their 'start of expansion mythic' achieves. Its a game. I understand your all virgins but no need to go round telling everyone. Cucks
dire spoke
I find that hard to believe
zealous dew
lol
solid nova
We're actually talking about boss mods and WA but good effort my boy @regal furnace
forest acorn
and It's
vapid moth
Pretty sure "cucks" is under the no use list
zealous dew
maybe he meant ducks
solid nova
Gotta be a big boy to call people virgins on a class discord
regal furnace
@shrewd night its you're but w/e
vapid moth
I like ducks
shrewd night
🤔
vapid moth
quack
zealous dew
donald duck
shrewd night
Aaero, guessing by Your anger towards mythic raiders that LFR is going alright?
solid nova
Le sigh
regal furnace
@shrewd night lol salty because you tried to be a grammar nazi and got it wrong? Haha lel
zealous dew
shot fired
vapid moth
Hmmm
shrewd night
super salty btw
vapid moth
Back to the convo
regal furnace
@shrewd nightlegit
zealous dew
solid nova
Last time you were salty you were upset people said pvp was scripted
Mentioned something about IQ
shrewd night
PVP
vivid bone
Yeah, fuck you and your mythic @shrewd night
regal furnace
Pvp scripted? Hmm ok
shrewd night
Me and my mythic is getting married next month Hashi
vivid bone
Nice
zealous dew
get ready for halimony
shrewd night
you are iq
solid nova
Usual dribble from you i see
shrewd night
shrewd night
I wish I was iq too
solid nova
Theres plenty to chose from
shrewd night
YOU ARE AGE
vivid bone
you are age
shrewd night
ahahahaha
vivid bone
rofl
forest acorn
Wow his usage of 'your' and its homophones just gets worse
shrewd night
Can someone else than the kid Richard respond pls
solid nova
dire spoke
can you're all FoK off to #off-topic
solid nova
Grammar lessons here in the RH, guaranteed to raise your IQ
@shrewd night no ur dumb kid
shrewd night
@solid nova kid this convo is over because of Youre dumbness
solid nova
@shrewd night Dont throw your mythic kills at me cuck le sigh im smarter than youre every be lmao smh kid
shrewd night
ded
solid nova
Memed him away
forest acorn
The conversation became too complicated for him.
solid nova
I mean
forest acorn
A shame.
solid nova
He basically put the bullets in the gun himself
marble hemlock
what did i miss?
zealous dew
someone's IQ
forest acorn
He missed his IQ too.
jovial kite
Wtf is goimg on
solid nova
Personally, I had a blast.
jovial kite
Fill me with the memes
zealous dew
there was a guy claiming that you're IQ sucks if you play bleed
exotic glen
you're'st've
marble hemlock
how can an IQ suck?
zealous dew
I'm just a messenger here
marble hemlock
isnt sucking and blowing basically the same?
zealous dew
euuu
marble hemlock
why do people constantly deplete keys that i need 😦
vapid moth
o.o
dire spoke
blowing stuff in the cockpit
zealous dew
proby they're IQ is bad
forest acorn
i made the mistake of accepting a tank from ragnaros and not checking if he could speak english first
marble hemlock
not good enough to dodge skjal charged-attack i guess
zealous dew
lol flooring
shrewd night
Russki tank and ragnaros tanks only vocabulary being '123' and 'y'
solid nova
I need to join the monk discord
marble hemlock
forget the
exotic glen
rush b
solid nova
In prep for bfa
marble hemlock
))
forest acorn
this one had 'healer??????' too
shrewd night
healer?????))))))))
zealous dew
where ???? are Russian characters not displayed ?
zealous dew
going where?
forest acorn
in
marble hemlock
was probably saying "healerISGUD" but the last part in cyrillic so it only showed as ??????
stop being such a pessimist
solid nova
Flame in M+
Asking for failure
Never works
Ive been put off russian pugs now after my arcway experience
forest acorn
This one was spanish
dire spoke
I kinda want to watch Xaeth streaming progress now
echo estuary
duuuude this RH drama always tends to elude me
solid nova
Everything eludes Russians 
solid nova
Like my arcway key 
exotic glen
you can just scroll up a bit
echo estuary
also it wouldn't be the same
marble hemlock
and its not the same when youre not a part of it
solid nova
It was over in a matter of minutes
exotic glen
i know, moving 1 finger a few times is really hard
marble hemlock
thats what she said
solid nova
@exotic glen They usually prefer 2 or 3 tbh
Oh, we're talking about scrolling discord, my bad.
solid nova
My hands arent hulky at all fam
echo estuary
how would you know, this guy said yuor're a virgin. also cuck
solid nova
They're made for bliss efficiency for my keybinds
exotic glen
richard is virgin confirmed
marble hemlock
yeah
exotic glen
idk, why dont you just touch your own chest and feel
marble hemlock
chickenbreast?
exotic glen
lucifer fell out of heaven and im sure hes a pretty ugly mofo
echo estuary
does that line ever work
vivid bone
Heaven is a lie
solid nova
@echo estuary If i ever use it i'll let you know
echo estuary
come to russia/world cup and we'll find out together brofist
solid nova
I'll try and sway them with my accent and then just throw it in there
and hope they dont hear me
echo estuary
but dont bring your waifu, if you have one
solid nova
I thought I'm taking you? 😦
echo estuary
boys night out
hoary copper
Aw Perelman is Richard's waifu
solid nova
Anything inappropriate or dating related being spoken about
A wild Bruen appears
Suspicious
vivid bone
sorry not sorry
solid nova
OPM official
solid nova
Daily toph quotes
marble hemlock
roofied?
exotic glen
glad no one bothers saving my drunk messages
solid nova
Hangover part 4 Ft Toph
warm parcel
I dont see why having rl call out mechanics somehow indicates shit players
Have you watched some povs with good rl?
marble hemlock
shit players are the ones
who when the RL forgets to call something during try#361
instantly die
cause theyre not spoonfed whats going on
keen inlet
!unmute @supple mesa
chrome tuskBOT
PSN#3911 (206839809648361492) is now unmuted! 
keen inlet
Love when the bot doesn't set timers correctly
warm parcel
Id disagree
keen inlet
I think calling them shit players is extreme
warm parcel
If you build your memory on said voice que and thats suddenly missing why would it be that persons fault?
Have you ever experienced great rl?
keen inlet
People make mistakes, #1, and that doesn't make them shit.
#2, Call outs are to help you when you've already got a lot of other stuff going on
warm parcel
Cause sounds like you havent. And the comment comes out as salty
shrewd night
Good RLs are the failover to not remembering something. Good RLs should never be the primary.
warm parcel
Again strongly disagree
Good rl is what carries the whole team
It frees you from looking at rrdundant timers
And allows you to play
shrewd night
So everybody but the rl uninstalls DBM/BW? Because somehow thats what could be understood from that
exotic glen
usually you would react to either said voice cue or the bosses wind-up of said ability, which is more versatile
warm parcel
What ever man
keen inlet
At a high level it's very easy to tunnel into the immediate, which is actually important for micro-performance of the raid
Raid lead is there to help with the macro, and also give direction during times of reactivity/RNG
marble hemlock
well the usual response to someone messing up when the RL forgets to call something is "you didnt call it"
which i, as a RL, find to be a pretty stupid defense
shrewd night
Thats a shit excuse
lone junco
I do calls. Some times I think it is to keep me focused. Some rotations are too complex to pay attn to everything.
solid nova
But playing without boss mods/WAs can be and is extremely inefficient
Players should still be self sufficient
To an extent at all levels
lone junco
Like hpal. You are looking everywhere.
keen inlet
I don't think anybody's arguing that players shouldn't be self-sufficient
warm parcel
I never advocated for uninstalling bw
lone junco
It's hard to do heal ui. And defensive and movement.
warm parcel
But if rl calls out x 350 times and then doesnt. Its rls fault
keen inlet
I think Weak (and I) are just saying that a good RL shouldn't be undervalued "because WA/DBM/whatever tells you everything"
warm parcel
And its not "a shit excuse"
exotic glen
raid leaders give a good rythm and flow in the fight imo, at least ours does. for me its not about calling out said ability, its more about breaking the flow of the fight which can make me lose focus
keen inlet
And it's operant conditioning - literally on that 365th try you have trained the dog to drool/be hungry at 5pm
lone junco
Especially when someone misses a raid and roles change.
keen inlet
it is literal, provable, empirical science
lone junco
Assignments are based on deaths.
keen inlet
Yank that out and yeah, it's your fault
marble hemlock
a good RL makes or breaks a raids success
lone junco
That's why I play sin. Silly easy rotation.
shrewd night
If the excuse is 'I didnt Dodge x ability because you didnt Call it' putting the blame solely on the RL I wholeheartedly believe its a shit excuse. Partial blame on the RL, sure, but putting the sole responsbility on someone like that is all kinds of silly.
echo estuary
but sub gets all the chicks
shrewd night
imho
shrewd night
Gone
exotic glen
fk
exotic glen
found a guild or?`
shrewd night
Yas
exotic glen
feelsgoodman
stark heart
@exotic glen how are you doing fam?
manic vigil
Let's wish it away!
solid nova
Yesterday was a roaster
marble hemlock
but yeah, anyone who argues that a RL isnt necessary because you got dbm
never raided with a good RL
echo estuary
summer weather, that's a cold rainy night in stoke for ya
solid nova
They are most certainly necessary thats for sure
exotic glen
@stark heart how about you?
stark heart
good RL allows players to focus more on execution
it's simply more efficient for one-two people to keep track of upcoming stuff and call it rather than whole team
warm parcel
^
solid nova
I agree, but I dont think that excuses things like not using dbw/bw/was for your own use
Reliability entirely on the rl shouldnt be the case
stark heart
doing great, wheather is very nice outside
exotic glen
i get cancer though when i watch other peoples vods and they have like 5-6 semi raidleaders
stark heart
good RL is proactive, it gives you warning that X is coming and it's personal responsibility to react to that warning
solid nova
Exactly, the player should still be managing their own shit
warm parcel
A good rl can and should call out each mechanic coming.
Its just nice
stark heart
it says "big bag #2 is coming" but people should know when they use cooldowns
like on Eonar( I know it's a meme boss ) you get call "ship #2 is coming" none is gonna call your nickname because you are in a group 2, it's on you to remember but that warning helps you not keep track of that timer
marble hemlock
well
every monkey can read timers
good RL brings other qualities
being able to see what the issue was on any given try just by reading deathlogs/logs
switching tacticso n the fly to suit the situation
echo estuary
a good RL knows when and which hunter should taunt the boss.
example: Usso taunta!
solid nova
@echo estuary A good Russian Leader knows when to crack open the vodka.
echo estuary
so does a drunk one
hoary copper
You say that like they ever close the vodka
vapid moth
I don't remember ever saying I was dependant on my RL for calls
echo estuary
although they don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive
vapid moth
Yeah
solid nova
@vapid moth You're progressing the "meme" boss fam. Have you not considered that your reluctance to use timers/bw/dbm/was etc is hindering your ability to progress as you'd like?
marble hemlock
a lot of people expect that to be the case though
shrewd night
Progressing heroic
echo estuary
as a matter of fact, a good RL should have a bottle at hand for celebration (and during the encounter!)
marble hemlock
and if the rl misses a call people are suddenly surprised
that theres a gaze that you need to spread for
after the 3rd cleave
in try 300+
solid nova
You've been wanting to progress mythic since before xmas afaik, dont you think that some of the things holding you back is partially yourself?
vapid moth
I'll respond later
marble hemlock
and thats just... dumb
solid nova
By try 300
exotic glen
when you have thought up and answer?
solid nova
It should be hard printed in your head
echo estuary
heroic is like plat/diamond in overwatch, right
echo estuary
ergo, its always their teammates' fault
winged oriole
or RNG
echo estuary
sauna cleansing calls
exotic glen
where its placement (your skill having a direct influence) in OW and LoL games, in wow if you're much better than your teammates you can just apply to a new guild
solid nova
@shrewd night ciao ciao
exotic glen
@shrewd night bye babby
keen inlet
@marble hemlock Again, that's not dumb. That's literally what operant conditioning is.
echo estuary
in wow you can just befriend a GM for casual strip and get items doing fuck all, uncorrelated to skill
echo estuary
hmm
manic vigil
echo estuary
'corrupt' i don't know, lets say, its a sidekick perk from being a GM
exotic glen
lets just change the definition
manic vigil
He's Russian, cut him some slack. Corruption is the norm there 
echo estuary
i guess everyone is corrupt
winged oriole
lilac osprey
How long do adds have to live to use rupture or Envenom
solid nova
The duration of rupture
exotic glen
thats kind of a vague question
solid nova
If they wont, just dump envenom into them
exotic glen
doesnt have to be full duration
lilac osprey
The guide just states rupture to 3 highest health for aoe so thanks for the clarification
solid nova
That's not going to apply in all situations though
winged oriole
side tangent, how do y'all feel about the new AoE talents in BFA?
felt awkward to me
echo estuary
i would consult flowi on that, its a tough one
marble hemlock
gotta play T for atleast 15 rounds tho?
solid nova
Enemy spotted
lone junco
Is rupture bfa still going to return a ton of E on kill?
manic vigil
echo estuary
just rush B comrade
marble hemlock
noobe that mechanic hasnt change