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#assassination
marble hemlock
strange python
assasination related discussion
spare cloud
what are sims even?
marble hemlock
are assa sims valid?
spare cloud
I played sims 4
marble hemlock
are assa sims correct?
spare cloud
Which class doesn't have biological issues
marble hemlock
because if you do, were here for you. its like a support group basically
marble hemlock
AA, assassins anonymous
marble hemlock
i feel excluded
spare cloud
actually
I'm pretty sure every single person in the world has some kind of biological issue.
But I'm not a biologist so I don't really know for sure.
vestal wren
guys, clam down its a game.
also the majority in here seems to enjoy it.
having a simple spec does not mean that the one playing it is inferior by any means.
spare cloud
considering that humans can't survive in extreme cold or heat, thats a biological issue
marble hemlock
dont think im being excluded because of the spec i play, its because he thinks im a mongoloid π¦
spare cloud
Can you confirm that?
marble hemlock
how do you confirm that?
strange python
i thought u arent easily offended
spare cloud
marble hemlock
im not, im just bored and this seems to be the only topic with some lulz to be had
@sudden ocean
marble hemlock
π¦
sudden ocean
why did this easily offedned mongoliod ping me
jovial kite
@spare cloud
sudden ocean
don't do that ever again
spare cloud
@sudden ocean
jovial kite
dingo getting b&d soon
marble hemlock
btw, was there any info on what those sub t7 talents might turn out to be?
strange python
@marble hemlock people suggested it can be energy regen row
with possible goremaw
marble hemlock
yikes, sub people coming here like they own the place and when you ask them something about their secret society, they refuse to talk
strange python
but pray to god it isnt that
spare cloud
There is actually a sub community
jovial kite
spare cloud
I always thought they were exiled assa players
marble hemlock
self-exiled though, arent they?
marble hemlock
maybe i just prefer to be white? π€
marble hemlock
unlucky
mail really needs a rework anyway
its the reason i refuse to do timewasting dungeons
dont want to bother with the mail, deleting the items etc.
and who has the bagspace to loot everything
marble hemlock
i didnt
spare cloud
You dont have an authentificator
spare cloud
marble hemlock
i mean, i dont need one, im at home all the time anyway
marble hemlock
yeah
spare cloud
for those things
marble hemlock
and im not working cause im unemployable anyway
spare cloud
marble hemlock
even got a laminated card that says im "severely disabled"
marble hemlock
so yeah, at home 24/7, no need for a smartphone, no authenticator, no 4 bagslots, no timewalking
the amount of AP i didnt get becuase of all those bonusrolls i didnt get....
yuge
spare cloud
no timewalking?
marble hemlock
i want to like it
but i cant
and it usually means i get 4 pages of mail with currency, loot, questitems i have to destroy individually, and you cant just delete the mail, you have to actually loot it before you can do that
pain in the ass :<
wise frigate
marble hemlock
yikes, addons :x
i mean, obviously its a "me" issue
id just like those 4 bagslots :/
spare cloud
You could order a physical authenticator?
zealous dew
timewalking bleah
marble hemlock
or blizz could just give me my 4 bagslots?
spare cloud
I mean its not just for the 4 bagslots
marble hemlock
without forcing me into extra security i neither want nor need
dapper kelp
Can someone help me with something
trying to make a burst macro for assassination
anyone got an idea?
zealous dew
good joke burst and assassination π
dapper kelp
well to pop all the major cd i need for big damage, really i was trying to macro vendetta and my kingsbane
wise frigate
Cast-sequence opener macros in 2018
dapper kelp
its not cast sequence
wise frigate
I don't see the issue. Vend is off GCD. Put both in macro. Profit?
marble hemlock
most of assassinations cooldowns are on the GCD, so such a macro isnt really possible imo
zealous dew
you can only macro vendetta into 1 ability
spare cloud
Assa has pretty good burst
wise frigate
Although only macro I use is Vanish + Envenom/Garrote.
spare cloud
π€·
marble hemlock
so unless its a castsequence macro that you want for your opener burst with shoulder-legendary
theres not much to do im afraid
dire spoke
keybinds 
wise frigate
Clicking
zealous dew
playing
wise frigate
Living
zealous dew
afterlife
steep obsidian
marble hemlock
whats happening
zealous dew
just nothing to do
spare cloud
Breaking the chain
zealous dew
beside massgripping adds
wise frigate
C-c-c-c-c-combo breaker
zealous dew
ever 90s
spare cloud
Seliathan du spielst auf eredar oder
marble hemlock
@dapper kelp so yeah, the way assa works, the burst youre speaking of isnt really possible to just do with a single macro
spare cloud
gib mir mal eben 10 silber fΓΌr ne Gildensatzung, bitte
wise frigate
NEIN
marble hemlock
where do i report bums?
wise frigate
Can always ping Stjern to report them.
dapper kelp
@marble hemlock So i was not trying to do like a whole macro was trying to do this showdow step into vendetta
marble hemlock
is it for pve or pvp purposes?
spare cloud
showdow
marble hemlock
then id suggest asking in the pvp channel, the pve burst-setup youre doing isnt possible to do in a single macro since you actually need to cast certain spells, which are on the GCD, in order before you can utilize the burst
spare cloud
showdow stoop
spare cloud
Nice name
wise frigate
Had to do a lil throwback.
zealous dew
haha
zealous dew
ohh nice
jovial kite
Asesinaron
wise frigate
The origin story of π
spare cloud
wise frigate
wise frigate
wise frigate
wise frigate
You're welcome.
jovial kite
miss me with that weeb shit
spare cloud
Slagg is actually a weeb himself
just insecure about it and doesn't like to admit it
spare cloud
You're probably into yaoi hentai
marble hemlock
i dont even know what that means, and you should feel ashamed for knowing yourself
wise frigate
dire spoke
marble hemlock
i respectfully decline
lone junco
@marble hemlock tbh, I never enjoyed the time race component of the M+. I guess it keeps you from banging your head like progress for 3hrs on a high seat.
lone junco
but as long as that meta is there, they will max the trash speed with fat cleaves and kiting.
marble hemlock
it should be a healthy mix of time vs challenge
too far into either one direction will lead to very few classes being viable
lone junco
yeah. tbh, I always enjoyed super roid raged giants and shit in the trash.
marble hemlock
and the keylevel-system itself doesnt exactly make for easy balancing
steep obsidian
you make the timer in ever instance by just not sucking
marble hemlock
because one key might have a good mix of challenge both regarding the timer and challenge required to clear it at all, and one level higher it suddenly becomes stupid
lone junco
removing the oranges will probably flatten the classes out though. not a lot of variance in play styles per class though.
steep obsidian
if you wanna 3 chest gotta take risks n shit or be overgeared for the key
marble hemlock
theres plenty of keys where just not fucking up make it impossible to time
you have to pull bigger and bigger to cut down on time spent per mob
steep obsidian
well it depends on how high sel
lone junco
tbh, i wanted a completion over time to still gain a +1.
steep obsidian
i only do like 22s 27 is nuts to think about for me
marble hemlock
yeah, theres obviously different goals depending on keylevel
steep obsidian
but my group is like 10 ilvl below mythic raiders and i suck too
lone junco
yeah, we run at 962
marble hemlock
but youre right, for the majority of people partaking in m+ its just about pressing the right buttons and not fucking up on mechanics
spare cloud
at least you're honest with yourself
steep obsidian
see
go look up dunning kruger effect
the shittest players dont konw they are shit
lone junco
I play sin, because sub is dangerous footwork.
steep obsidian
they think they good
marble hemlock
stuff that bothers me about m+ probably only bothers a tiny fraction of players
lone junco
if they have fun and you dont, then they are actually winning.
steep obsidian
hmm
marble hemlock
and theres also plenty of people complaining about m+ being "too hard" or "only possible for a few classes/specs" who have no right to complain because theyre shit :<
steep obsidian
true in many ways
lone junco
"suck" is limited to goals.
steep obsidian
the dumbest peopel are the happiest generally
marble hemlock
on average, yeah
lone junco
i have been substantially less happy since finishing engineering school.
it was a trap.
spare cloud
Noobe unhappy about being married confirmed
marble hemlock
would you rather have spent your time getting a degree or with a women, only to find out it was a trap?
see, theres a silver lining
be happy
spare cloud
I think going to university was the best decision of my life
π€·
but then again I'm just a young fuck
marble hemlock
id argue that there is no "great decisions", only objectively bad ones, and theres plenty of those in everybodies life
jovial kite
not going to school must be the worst decision anyone could make
marble hemlock
depends on the school
spare cloud
school is mandatory I believe
marble hemlock
school that teaches important skills and critical thinking? yeah, everyone should do that
jovial kite
not getting an upper education****
steep obsidian
well it depends
marble hemlock
but theres few of those around anymore
spare cloud
Some people can't get upper education
steep obsidian
if going too uni means you end up with a huge debtand no job
spare cloud
even if they want to
steep obsidian
maybe not the best idea
trail heron
most countries in the west have some mandatory '10 years of school, even if you repeat so many classes that you only make it to 7th or 8th grade'
marble hemlock
lets face it
lone junco
I think I'm going to Finland.
lone junco
Will need bigger mittens.
jovial kite
i can donate noobe
spare cloud
In germany I don't have to pay anything back as well
lone junco
Construction. Water engineer.
jovial kite
mittens and wooly socks
marble hemlock
wat
steep obsidian
yeah
marble hemlock
depends a lot on what type of funding you get
bafΓΆg you have to pay back, in part
steep obsidian
not every country is the same
trail heron
well, toph, but depending on where you live, your abitur can either be well regarded, or seen as toilet paper
if you go for it
marble hemlock
financial support for students is actually pretty damn bad in germany
trail heron
for students, yes. basic school education is free
marble hemlock
10years back? it was super shit
trail heron
studying at university was once fully free, too. however, people abused that to be 'eternal students'
marble hemlock
so its slowly getting better, while the pre-university education gets worse and worse
spare cloud
that is true
trail heron
i know a guy who, when i last saw him, was 30. and he had not worked a day in his life, only studying
steep obsidian
who wants to be a teacher
spare cloud
I feel like everything I learned in school is basically useless now
steep obsidian
they ahve important job but its underpaid as fuck generally
spare cloud
except for stuff like learning to write etc.
In germany you're okay as a teacher
not super well off
steep obsidian
yeah
spare cloud
but you're good
and many times you're set
because you can't really lose your job
if you work for the state that is
marble hemlock
well, school should teach important life-skills and critical thinking, who cares whether you actually remember what you were learning 10 years ago
trail heron
the wife of that guy i mentioned was a teacher out of the depths of her heart. in bavaria, so she had to be smart, due to their degrees being hard as hell
marble hemlock
thats becasue we dont teach any of that
spare cloud
@trail heron Yeh, if you want to be a math teacher you most likely are going to be in for a harder study than actual math students
marble hemlock
and because the highest level of education gets lowered year by year
trail heron
and then, after spending 1 year (mandatory, once doing the state exam that allows you to teach) as replacement teacher for a veteran teacher who had parental leave
marble hemlock
because people want their stupid kids who are too dumb to get a higher education to still get one anyway, because theyre "special snowflakes", and the state actually gives in....
trail heron
she got basically 'fired'
spare cloud
Well, tbh you're not gonna get a good degree like that
trail heron
welp, she did not give up, and applied to private schools as teacher, after bavaria gave her the finger
toph, in berlin and NRW, you do, as idiotic person
trail heron
due to 'inclusion' and so on
spare cloud
You do here as well
lone junco
If you've read "Brave new world" you'd see that dumb people don't know they are dumb and are better off for that. They can be honestly happy in mediocrity. Where as alpha+ knows enough truth to be miserable.
spare cloud
but if I were too stupid for my study I would've failed in the first year
would've fallen on my face so hard
trail heron
sadly, not in berlin and nrw
spare cloud
and it doesn't have an NC
marble hemlock
who wants to be a teacher anyway
trail heron
hell, they don't even deny entry to a 'gymnasium' anymore, if you are barely above 'hauptschule' level
marble hemlock
all the ones i know who studied for a teaching position, went into the private sector anyway
because noone wants to be a glorified babysitter
marble hemlock
and thats all you are nowadays
spare cloud
which is sad in its own
marble hemlock
catering to the lowest performing students, leaving the ones at the top behind
spare cloud
I don't really think thats really happening tbh
trail heron
yes, once everyone then not demands the 'abitur', but an actual '1.0 with 5 years of extra qualifications' because otherwise, they get only people with welfare education (ie, get the 'higher education' degrees as if they were participation awards)
steep obsidian
i think the opposite happen a lot of the time
spare cloud
If you actually are a talent in some kind of way you will be discovered one way or another
marble hemlock
well, listening to my mom tell storied about whats happening in her school, im fairly sure that happens more often than not
nah, teachers arent trained for that sort of thing
steep obsidian
if you avhe a big class
marble hemlock
the good student, the one with the top-tier grades, dont get a lot of attention
trail heron
toph, it is actually done already. in schools, if a class constantly fails in one subject, they don't kick their asses and make them learn, they tell the teacher to make the exams easier
steep obsidian
it hard to cater to everyone
trail heron
because in germany, schooling is province based, not federal
marble hemlock
the one pulling knives on his fellow students who barely gets through each year? that one you spend a shitload of time on
lone junco
Aim to pull the bell curve up. Fuck the fringes.
spare cloud
but thats a cause of the system in itself
steep obsidian
so you doing the job a parent should be doin as a teacher
trail heron
^noobe: but that is discrimination
spare cloud
school is not supposed to be there to discover talents
marble hemlock
exactly aelandria, students rarely if ever get to repeat a class anymore
steep obsidian
sometimes at least
spare cloud
school is supposed to give everyone a basis they can build upon
trail heron
seli, or booted down 1 level
steep obsidian
people get through school and can barely read or write
marble hemlock
who made some problems every other week
trail heron
ie, if they don't hack it in a 'gymnasium', they could get booted down to 'gesamtschule' or 'realschule'
marble hemlock
eventualyl he pulled a knife out during a break and threatened his classmates
spare cloud
I was a problematic kid myself
marble hemlock
what happened?
trail heron
and if they don't hack it there, last chance at the hauptschule
marble hemlock
he got booted off the school, and just joined another one, with the notion of "dont tell the new teachers that hes troublesome, so he can have a safe space to develop normally"
like wtf?
spare cloud
Yeah you can't build a society upon failing every other person
who is not a top student
trail heron
and if you fail there, you get sent to a 'wreckage yard' type hauptschule where you are kept under supervision until your 10 mandatory years of schooling are over
marble hemlock
nowadays everyone can get into a gymnasium-level school
back when i was a kid
i actually had to have good grades throughout elementary school
in order to be able to apply for a spot
spare cloud
I remember I was througoughly tested
marble hemlock
now you can have the worst grades and be a shit student whos only making troubles, but if yoiur parents want it, you get put into a gymnasium-class anyway
spare cloud
But I was a odd kid so that doesn't really apply for everyone
trail heron
when i was in elementary, and my parents wanted to send me to gymnasium, my teacher only gave me a 'potentially recommended' judgement
marble hemlock
and then the teachers there who teach 5th grade, who usually are somewhat inexperienced, have to deal with your shit, instead of training and educating the ones who deserve it, because those get by without any help
trail heron
which, at gymnasiums, meant to the teachers that they should put a pupil with that judgement through hell
marble hemlock
thats a system thats just set up for failure
spare cloud
I was supposed to go to a "fΓΆrderschule" because I was a bitch in kindergarden and in school
marble hemlock
and eventually leads to a lower level of general education
trail heron
either they make it, or they break, and leave after 6th grade
marble hemlock
well, kids like that just get pushed through somehow nowadays aelandria
trail heron
guess what? at the end of the 9th degree, half of my former classmates had left for 'Realschule'
marble hemlock
yeah, that doesnt happyn anymore π
spare cloud
I have a few friends who are 2 years younger than me who are finishing gymnasium right now
trail heron
some actually had taken a repeat at gymnasium
spare cloud
he says that half of his class has repeated at least 1 year
marble hemlock
guess some schools are worse off than others
spare cloud
But the tests in the end which determine if you fail or not are not easier or harder
they are at around the same level from when I got my abitur
marble hemlock
but theres been a general movement that makes me think that were headed for trouble, when parents arent standing on the same side as the teachers anymore when it comes to their kids education
trail heron
3 girls that were in my class actually only entered 8th grade at the realschule, when i was entering 10th grade there, after switching there at the beginning of the 7th grade
marble hemlock
instead when a kid acts out, you have to teach both the kid and the parents
and teachers arent trained to do that
trail heron
seli, there is also the 'politically correct' mania
marble hemlock
and most certainly arent being payed well enough to do that
trail heron
ie, a freshly arrived refugee kid with zero german knowledge joins, is age wise qualified for 6th grade?
trail heron
gets into 6th grade, even without being able to understand anything, language wise
marble hemlock
school should be a place where kids get tought important soft-skills that will help them in life, critical thinking, and get to identify their strengths and weaknesses which they can then expand upon when choosing a grade or specialization
none of that is happening right now
spare cloud
That is true
you don't even get insight into many of the potential paths you could thread
trail heron
and then you have socalled 'underaged unaccompanied' 'kids' who claim to be 15-17 inbetween, actually are 20+, and then try to score with the actual underaged girls, but that is something different alltogether
spare cloud
Most people still don't get IT classes
even though its one of the biggest parts of our society
vestal wren
i disagree
trail heron
schools either are overdigitalized, with the school insisting on the kids, even in elementary, to get a tablet of a specific brand and model for the kid
vestal wren
IT is big but you can add advanced tools for ppl to handle it, then more abstract those are then easier they are to handle for the majority
trail heron
or underdigitalized, with 1 computer room, maybe 2, and those being 10+ years old, or worse
spare cloud
Most people who wish to thread a scientific path are fucked by school
trail heron
my realschule for example, which i was on, was using 286 computers until 98
vestal wren
e.g. visual programming is quite decent and way easier to understand
trail heron
then, they got a whopping upgrade to win95 computers
marble hemlock
i mean yeah, but thats just an issue of school-funding, or lack thereof
vestal wren
also you dont need to have good hardware for most it works
additional apple, microsoft and some others have education stuff going
viscid helm
trail heron
we had a wordbasic class in school. i ran that. was fun. usually did the coding in one lesson, and then, i went and fired up some non bloody game (had the OK from the teacher, for it)
vestal wren
besides of many big name software devs offering free licanses for students
marble hemlock
knowing a few people in the education ministry, its not about the money not being available for new equipment, or more teachers, its that noone wants to be the one saying that the current level is not good enough, and that hundreds of thousands of student were educated with inferior methods/equipment/personell
btw
did you guys notice
trail heron
seli, and probably no one wants to stomp on the ground and state that 'inclusion' (ie, drag everyone along in a normal school, even those with extra needs, either in equipment, or in attention) has FAILED.
marble hemlock
fuu is the orange guy who chimes in on discussions like these
frozen mesa
do you guys typicallyrun subterfuge without shoulders??
vestal wren
π€· the xpack is over and there is not much to talk about bfa yet
marble hemlock
blizz does the same actually, they only ever admit mistakes about an expansion when the new one is already live
once bfa is like 3months old
blizz will shit on the legendary system
and call it a huge mistake
etc.
spare cloud
@frozen mesa Depends on what sims more. But most likely, yes.
vestal wren
a bit offtopic is fine, the only issue is if we discourage relevant discussions with to much offtopic
marble hemlock
true
but its hard to say how many on-topic discussions didnt happen because of an off-topic discussion already taking place
people still answer questions that are assa-related as soon as they pop up
spare cloud
When mods tell us to go to #off-topic I've made the experience that most of the time it just purely kills the discussion
marble hemlock
ye
trail heron
pretty much
trail heron
and its not as if someone would not get attention if they speak up in here
vestal wren
the main idea is still to move to #off-topic instead of flooding the channel
marble hemlock
is happening with those ninjas and pirates
id rather stay here and be with toxic guys and girls
than be with pirates and ninjas, those are evil people
spare cloud
I play outlaw only
spare cloud
creating guilds on realms you have no gold on sucks
trail heron
indeed.
frozen mesa
i just picked up notters WA for sin but it doesnt have the combo point bars or energy bar like in his picture that must be a seperate thing?
trail heron
you need the 'common' pack, if you want the premades
he has a ton of 'shared by all 3' WAs, too
marble hemlock
if you need a rogue for hc sell, lemme know π
dire spoke
you can run our hc sell for me and I get the gold in mail if you want
marble hemlock
still got gold on so many realms
but not enough to buy tokens with
fuck those token prices
dire spoke
they will get even higher
marble hemlock
yup
trail heron
ooh yes
when Hearthstone releases an expansion, token prices rise
when an expansion comes out, token prices rise
trail heron
even if it seems to be rather disliked now
strange python
its all about hype
trail heron
(but i might see if i get it from humble bundle, when i get paid. just to peek in)
vapid moth
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
vapid moth
wut
viscid helm
wlock sleeping
strange python
quick question if possible guys
i wanna play rogue but i fucking hate sub, how often is sub the best spec
is it quite rare
or every other patch
cause i obviously wanna be going the meta spec to get the most out of it
drifting cloud
its looking relatively bad in bfa as of now
zealous dew
sub is good for M+
strange python
k
zealous dew
if you have a premade group play sub
if you run pugs, play sin
raiding, play sin
easier, and more dips
strange python
why is sub better in premades?
green plume
across legion is enjoyed being top dog for Tomb of Sargeras, and is excellent in M+ due to on demand high aoe burst
zealous dew
they need to tailor pulls for sub rogue
like eoa, pack of crabs into hydra for example
viscid helm
5th person sleep
zealous dew
wtf another wiperino on medivh
strange python
just NA mdi i know
xD
do you think sub is going to be best in bfa m+ too or way too early to tell?
drifting cloud
I dont think you can 4man medivh
viscid helm
this MDI
strange python
while pala was mass ressing
strange python
WHY DID THEY RELEASE
exotic glen
the druid might be mvp
viscid helm
Blizzard should lower the keys for NA
exotic glen
both teams might deplete LUL NA
exotic glen
wipe pls
strange python
blizzard should DQ the 4man team tbh
exotic glen
yep
violet elm
You boys staying rogue for bfa? Or jumpin ship
exotic glen
would be the same
drifting cloud
probably forgot to put in the rules that you need 5 people to start the match π€‘
violet elm
Cant decide if i wanna rogue or mae
marble hemlock
poor crenix
violet elm
Magw
drifting cloud
well the warlock could already be here by now
marble hemlock
dude actually is pretty good
strange python
just lower the key to 15 for NA 
drifting cloud
so maybe hes in next map
strange python
also its refreshing to see frost mage
marble hemlock
frostmage is pretty dope in upper
exotic glen
idk why they do that tho
strange python
hmm
exotic glen
just feels like they're gimping their comp
drifting cloud
brh
strange python
i think triple monk setup for upper was the meta
drifting cloud
they would have lost 1st map tho if the other team actually had 5 lmao
viscid helm
I didnt think NA could top EU remake memes
viscid helm
but they've done it
drifting cloud
fire in upper kara
exotic glen
and then arcane in brh
drifting cloud
nice meme
strange python
frost is arguably better in upper
i feel sad for that 4man team
they try so hard on medivh
NA math
97%
exotic glen
the amount of deaths man
if stupid mistakes were up against any other team, they would lose so hard
exotic glen
that ww monk LOL
vapid moth
hes still salty lol
strange python
might be too soon to say but
i cant imagine these teams compete with eu/china
from what ive seen yesterday and today
exotic glen
even if sinking ship had their lock, he is terrible
so not like its an unfair representation
plain thistle
if dps not you?
vapid moth
lf
plain thistle
π€
exotic glen
think its an L jhonwei
vapid moth
yes. hes the dude who blamed me for the missed 2key a few days ago
strange python
monk fucking skyrocket in meters
plain thistle
π
vapid moth
at least 19 groups are finally letting me join
sullen root
@marble hemlock Sorry if you've answered this too many times, I'm an infrequent discord viewer; what would you want alongside Sin in something like 24 DHT? Its my key this week and wanna see if i can push into a higher average key done per weke
week*
vapid moth
where can i find the list of shit zoldyks affects
lone junco
I should do more hpal m+ before the end of tier.
sullen root
Cheers for the responses guys
lone junco
Rupture garrote. Poison. Pbomb. And tb (I think)
sullen root
too pleb at sub atm to do 24 sanguine π¦
vapid moth
ty noobe
lone junco
I hate sub on sanguine tbh. Jump into the shit.
marble hemlock
ideal for DHT would be hunter/boomy/rogue i think
hunter is aces for xavius
@sullen root
sullen root
Thanks Seliathan
marble hemlock
can also go wl instead of hunter obviously
sullen root
I think you do drop Crippling poison for Sanguine imo. I mean, unless theres a specific pull you kite in, I think by and large you'd rather they moved faster to not waste any dmg done
But I'm no M+ god
marble hemlock
you can keep crippling, as long as the tank is not tanking and keeps kiting, mobs rarely heal up if they died on top of each other
sanguine still takes ~2sec before it starts ticking
and thats what stuff like grip, typhoon, bursting, and a succubus are for
steep heath
rogue assa op for bfa
exotic glen
then we sub bois
strange python
yeah this game is pointless really
exotic glen
nothing better to do
strange python
should move on
it will be great
if they dont give us goremaw in replacement of dfa
pray_to_lord_ion
exotic glen
inb4 all three rogue specs are shit
lone junco
So far so good. All the multipliers aren't in place yet.
strange python
i feel it will be legion all the way again
exotic glen
you never know with blizzard
lone junco
Sin scales with crit and mastery we won't have access too for months.
exotic glen
cant wait for that 1 warrior sim that says they do 3x anyone elses dmg
lone junco
Maybe their execute is worth using.
strange python
these sims were inaccurate
exotic glen
lmao noobe
lone junco
Rend champ.
strange python
yeh arms is residentsleeper
exotic glen
yes
lone junco
No clue. My last warrior was vanilla.
strange python
fury was fun in tos and nighthold
lone junco
I dual boxed a priest warrior combo.
strange python
antorus fury is meh imo
its not that hard
change loot spec to arms and just farm every diff every week
i feel you
i havent been in raid for last 3 weeks
i have no drive to play in legion
anymore
marble hemlock
bunch of wusses
vapid moth
When people still look at ilvl for M+ π
marble hemlock
farming is as important to a successful guild as progressing :<
lone junco
Not at the end of tier.
Maybe keeping moral. But we just take a break for 6 months. Come back at pre patch.
zealous dew
what an horrible come back π
lone junco
When 114blues beat your antorus gear, meh. Break is nice.
strange python
yea
quest items in bfa will probably be better than mythic antorus pieces
so theres that
full iron
i mean thats like every expansion right lol
exotic glen
dont be surprised if raiders go look for other guilds if you tell them you wont be playing for half a year
good luck unless literally everyone on the raid team is on board with the idea
strange python
we had voting in our guild like 1,5month ago
if they want to prog argus or\chill and give up
stark heart
every raider of ours wants to not play live wow now 
strange python
yeah our guild decided the same
cant blame them
i havent logged on live for like 2 weeks now
not even doing weekly chest
stark heart
we finished prog long ago but people rather kill 3 bosses every week instead of farming full Antorus
rapid mirage
Anyone on beta test haste on sin? Does it look like we can Frankenstein out style of play or go straight to cookie cuttery set ups that perform miles ahead of any creativity
strange python
i mean
rapid mirage
Our style *
strange python
90% of people agreed to give up
including me
i didnt really want to prog anymore
strange python
:puke:
exotic glen
π¦
i like it
not specifically doing the raid but spending time with people i like weekly
strange python
u can also go and get drunk
rapid mirage
I think its important to keep raiding or atleast m+ regularly until expansion drops because its keeping rust from glazing over π
strange python
some alternative
exotic glen
i can go get drunk whenever i want
rapid mirage
That is if you want to push for kills earlier than most guilds
exotic glen
and uphold social relations / keep the roster updated
rapid mirage
Exactly
exotic glen
after half a year, i wouldnt hold it against people if 2-3 people just never came back
idk like maybe take a few weeks off at the end sure
but like 2+ months is just rip guild
stark heart
well there is difference between no raiding and just farming 3 bosses
strange python
eh it isnt really
stark heart
also raid testing and alpha beta dungeons
strange python
our guild has been together since late cata
devout hollow
we're starting argus prog wednesday 
strange python
??
exotic glen
gl rudetude
stark heart
I'd rather spend time on beta than enter Antorus again
strange python
like mythic prog or?
devout hollow
yes
strange python
thats a late prog you have
devout hollow
my friends guild I just made a rogue to play with him
strange python
but goodluck anyway
lost horizon
Everyone progs at their own pace fam
devout hollow
For me it is.
lost horizon
Or at the pace of their raid at least
devout hollow
I don't like the illusion of a "casual" guild raiding less
cause we're going to be extending and wiping till BFA launch likely
whereas good guilds are donezo with this tier by now
exotic glen
any guild starting now should be able to get cutting edge
starting argus prog now, that is
lost horizon
Unless you're like 1night raid
exotic glen
lmao ok like that
devout hollow
2nights 3 1/2 hours but our agg performance really makes me 
lost horizon
And honestly after aggramar nerf..
devout hollow
anyway i guess ill get to stay in cause immunity class xd
but I was being really toxic and shit talking them on stream when we were doing agg prog
lone junco
Our guild has been consistent for about 11 years. So we are fine. Esp due to flex. 15 or 25. We are gtg. Core is tank/heal so we won't be short.
lost horizon
Flex is awesome
strange python
having core tank+heal is big
lone junco
Flex is the reason we aren't playing another game.
Fixed 40/25/10 were all rough due to RL.
lost horizon
Do you guys end up pushing first couple bosses if you happen to have enough?
strange python
our guild is quite similar, our GM is main tank and 4/6 officers are healers
so its good
lost horizon
Or strictly no M?
lone junco
Each tier we kill full normy first two days. Then march our way through heroic. We've killed a few mythic bosses. But roster floats at 18 and I'm not going to break my back recruiting for different 1's and 0's.
Fun is subjective to context.
lost horizon
Totally, just wondering cause like
lone junco
I prefer 30-50 wipes on a hard boss.
lone junco
Not 500
lost horizon
I've got an alt at 6/11 or something cause an Aussie friend's guild was short
And I was the only one awake π
strange python
free boost
onyx falcon
how far is your guild into Mythicc now Noobe? ;/
strange python
kingaroth
lost horizon
LOL pretty much, I was doing so well on imonar til lthe kill when someone decided to knock me into mine's on bridge
lone junco
Ye. Our hpriest gripped him around the room for 4mins.
onyx falcon
if its a bear, ive heard legends of a bear tank who fell asleep 1/2 way through a pull and woke up and the boss was dead and he didnt die
lone junco
I believe it.
onyx falcon
bear tanks so many passive mits =.=
supple hearth
falling asleep during prime raiding hours
strange python
ToS effect
lone junco
We could have done a few first night.
strange python
ToS burned out so many people
lone junco
We have guys that get up at 4-5am for work.
lost horizon
I miss some ToS bosses
steep obsidian
ive killed 6 bosses in mythic ant and don't really care about clearing it
trying to find a decent guild is shit
supple hearth
I stopped raiding after tos. Was a good raid but def burnt me out
lost horizon
Harjatan add spawns π
onyx falcon
Y'all are better than me, im in a 11/11 M guild... but im 1/11 M cause i cant raid cause of work XD
lone junco
Personal loot is making our GM rage tho.
strange python
my previous guild was so stupid that we had 400 wipes on maiden
tell me about being burned out
drifting cloud
π₯ π₯
lone junco
Imagine being that RL or GM.
lone junco
You want to kick like 8 people. But wouldn't have roster.
steep obsidian
my guild in hfc had about 400 wipes on archimonde
lone junco
So grats.
steep obsidian
that was bad
drifting cloud
depends when
strange python
that was a fun fighjt
drifting cloud
400 on archi doesnt sound that bad
lone junco
Our mother fucking disc had the sprint to bubble and on mannarpth. Would sprint people off ye edge during fear.
steep obsidian
guldan was easy when we reached it after hp nerf
like 100 pulls and should have died 20 pulls earlier at least
but some people were potatoes
drifting cloud
hp nerf was like the 1st guldan nerf
steep obsidian
pretty early
drifting cloud
made you skip the 3rd add
steep obsidian
it was before eli nerf
steep obsidian
was eli even nerfed i cant even remember
lone junco
We did guldan easily. But maiden. Was rough.
strange python
there was another hp nerf later
steep obsidian
i know star augur was enrfed
lone junco
Turns out. We have 3color blind people.
strange python
maiden required all 20 members to do perfect pull
strange python
that was the hardest part about this boss
exotic glen
it wasnt a huge dps check but mechanical one
drifting cloud
yeah eli you basically just outgeared even before the nerfs
strange python
it was colorblind check
lone junco
Yeah. If we can't have 75% carry the potatos. It will be a rough fight.
steep obsidian
couldnt outgear idiots dying to rings
onyx falcon
noobe
onyx falcon
pretty sure thats like 90% of the m raiding guilds
steep obsidian
same idiot dies
strange python
just play rogue and cloak 
onyx falcon
75% of the pplz carry the potatoes
steep obsidian
and we wiped a ton in final phase from idiots not realising they had the bomb
and allar akhbaring raid
like its the easiest part of the fight
just run away and die it doesnt even matter π¦
onyx falcon
you guys have the problem where your most geared pplz/highest dps pplz suck at mechs? π
lone junco
RL for potatos. "Stack. Move. Stack. Green. Spread. Don't fucking touch the orbs unless I told you specifically. God dammit"
steep obsidian
i loathe people who wipe the raid trying to parse
lone junco
Nah.
steep obsidian
i want to gkick them all
lone junco
"Get the fuck out of the box"
steep obsidian
but i had no power in guilds for years so have to put up with that shit
strange python
its "God dammit. Wipe. Don't release.|
onyx falcon
pplz who try to parse on progression should not be M raiding O_O
steep obsidian
i won't rant though you guys have prolly heard this rant like 5x
onyx falcon
Wazon do what my guild did, make an obnoxious WA that says DONT RELEASE YOU PLEBS
strange python
or atleast put max dps
steep obsidian
its not only progression its farm too
strange python
i do have it @onyx falcon
steep obsidian
where you wipe liek 10x and waste half the nights coz idiots want their parse
onyx falcon
if its farm parsing is fine, if its prog you rly shouldnt be trying to parse, if you get it awesome
vestal wren
@onyx falcon thats an community issue, this topic comes up very often. Basically how wow developed the majority of the community is judging skill ONLY on parses, this leads to players that rather whipe the whole raid then having a bad log.
steep obsidian
if you wiping on farm coz idiots wont do mechcs properly coz tryingt o parse no its not ok
strange python
i can admit that during prog i tend to go for parse and burn cloak / cheat death for numbers
lone junco
Here's our prob. Some can do good dps. Some can do great dps. But most can't do great dps while moving.
onyx falcon
@ fuu yea i know, i agree
strange python
steep obsidian
thats different then wiping the raid because you refuse to switch to adds on krosus or soak things
cheat is a dps cd anyway π
onyx falcon
i mean, its awesome when you do parse on prog though, warlock in my guild got world #2 on their first aggy kill (dam warlock padding)
strange python
i played sin back then
strange python
i told my RL to either kick me from group or accept the fact that im not switching
steep obsidian
i had to run to the very back of the room and soak coz our ranged sucked major dong
and were just lazy
onyx falcon
o i feel sry for you
that long ass run, and shadowstep doesnt even bring you back to the front in 1 shot
steep obsidian
then id sit on an add ks and kicking it
strange python
if your RL knew how sin worked back then he wouldnt force you to switch at all
steep obsidian
because i was doing no damage to it and all ranged tunnel
strange python
#agonpoison
onyx falcon
anyone miss agon poison?
steep obsidian
no
strange python
unpopular opinion
steep obsidian
it was fucking shit for dungeons
onyx falcon
i feel ike TB is way better
vestal wren
we had a WL solo padding on adds on aggramar that has a 70%tile log
onyx falcon
o yea agreed =.=
strange python
i loved agon because i could just tunnel the boss and nobody (for the most part) expected me to switch to adds or whatever
steep obsidian
i generally specced out of ap for dungeons anyway though coz posion swapping was annoying as hell
strange python
i could eat popcorn meanwhile for e xample
onyx falcon
well if you were a chadlaw you could π
steep obsidian
outlaw trigger me so hard start of expac
onyx falcon
@ fuu did you get a beta key? jw
steep obsidian
shitty spec
onyx falcon
its gotten better
eager cobalt
Do I want to hold Toxic Blade for Kingsbane?
onyx falcon
N H or M
lone junco
People shit on our prog. But Idc. We take friends and wives. And anyone that wants to play. Just don't be a nazi or a toxic jerk.
exotic glen
how about a communist
steep obsidian
@eager cobalt it is in the guide up top in the pins
strange python
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
lone junco
@exotic glen a friendly communist is fine. Probably matches our loot policy.
strange python
lmao
lone junco
Gdkp was the only capitalist system. Literally auction bid every item.
Socialist would probably gear from the bottom up. We use a linear turn based. So get in line. If you take a loot go to the back.
supple hearth
Gearing bottom up gets annoying when you have people who only log in for raid and don't make any effort to get gear from m+ or anything. It punishes those who work hard and rewards those who are lazy. Gearing bottom up is good when it's done with a loot council that takes that stuff into account and gives it to someone who needs it as well as someone who makes an effort
exotic glen
the other extreme is just as bad
that 1 guy who literally never does anything but play this game and has close to bis gear shouldnt have all the gear just because he has an extreme amount of effort
you give it to the people who can make the best contribution to the raid with that item over their current one
vestal wren
i am not sure that somone who invests more time to the game should get more loot in raids
i know guys who boosted a lot in their free time but didnt play anywhere near good enough for me to justify giving them loot over others
fervent beacon
It should be built around who A. needs the upgrade B. Who been on consistent. Aka not me at this point because I been benched for 2 months
lone junco
All systems have volatility.
strange python
i hate dkp
vestal wren
PL is not that bad
strange python
for example im fine with RL giving items away
supple hearth
A loot council that can take all this in consideration and determine what works best for the team as a whole is the best
strange python
im really upset about the argument that Ion gave in Q&A about PL being mandatory in BFA
lone junco
A huge value in any non PL. is the ability to pass on garbage. Or parallel.
strange python
i mean, if raid leader scammed on items and gave it to friends n stuff
just leave the guild
problem solved
and things like this happen rarely really
vestal wren
i am fine with RL distribugting items if they know what they do.
And judging from my experience they use personal things to distribute loot. This means they give a player that played a long time for them and peforms very poorly or does not even need the item the item over a newer member of the raid that is e.g. 2-3 months in the guild who needs it
lone junco
We let players decide what they need.
vestal wren
i am noone who cry abouts loot but a concil is only usefull if ppl know what others need
lone junco
But such is a system. Guild picks. If you hate it gtfo.
vestal wren
on a concil ppl just press bis a lot even if they dont need the item
again its just my personal experience from diffrent guilds
strange python
really hope they reconsider it before bfa
lone junco
Plus. I value attendance over most anything else.
strange python
or make ML available in mythic raiding
vestal wren
e.g. in NH we had a high TF ring with 18 BIS presses, 2 classes of those would benefit from the stats on it.
lone junco
Bis council isn't a currency. People will waste it on stupid shit.
vestal wren
this means the item in the end went to a player that just boosted his itemlvl with it
calm grail
Way long ago DKP was a nice way to provide unbiased loot. It awarded attendance and showing up.
lone junco
When they have currency. They are more careful.
vestal wren
instead of the one where it would be efficient on
DkP is worse then loot concil
however it values ofter things additional
but e.g. if you are not set on every raid you are fucked by the system
exotic glen
DKP might be mathematically the most efficient system but at the same time its super susceptible to corruption and hoarding
strange python
dkp is stupid
lone junco
Our system is fine. It's like dkp. But very simple. And benefits new people most.
steep obsidian
fuck new people
calm grail
I'm not saying it was the best choice. I was just thinking about how he was the best system for attendance I'd used.
lone junco
Anyone who says dkp is stupid has never been RL
vestal wren
you can add raid activity
steep obsidian
less they gonna stick around and help
exotic glen
good thing there are 19 other people in the raid who are not raid leaders that need to contend with their choices
steep obsidian
there no real perk to stick around and be loyal in a guild for a lot of players with removal of mloot
lone junco
Our List system drops people back in line if MIA without notice.
exotic glen
unless you know........ you like people in the guild