what do I do ingame at 7am
#assassination
smoky tulip
I’ve seen some other logs of people killing arg mythic and they take way more damage than we do as a raid.
Healers are around 1.1-1.3mil hps when we die after 8-10mins
dire spoke
well if your vial and healthstone are on CD and they can't heal the chain breaking
there is nothing you can do except you're an officer and blame them
civic palm
You could blame the healers :3
smoky tulip
We go in with 13 DPS, we make P1 dps check easily when we aren’t plebe with buffs
viscid helm
I didnt know p1 DPS check even existed
smoky tulip
I don’t think we’ll make check if we go in with 5 healers and 12 dps :/
Meh, we’re only clearing Ant now after 3 months, we’re Uber amazing 😂
We’re not*
dire spoke
You mean 6month
viscid helm
Its fine 99% of the people are still on hc
smoky tulip
We started late
dire spoke
Then it's even worse because everybody most likely had better hc gear
):
I had my aggr firstkill yesterday
As a trial in my new guild
viscid helm
civic palm
:3
strange python
still no amanthuls in guild 😄
dire spoke
idk right now
I'm to busy not fucking up shitty duties because I hardly had more than 3 kills in most bosses
FeelsTrialMan
gilded kayak
can anyone here confirm does feint reduce mythic argus chain damage when the chain is targeting you directly?
viscid helm
Yes and No
civic palm
heh
dire spoke
go to bed miz
gilded kayak
so does nothing to chain damage? how about post chain damage when raid is ticking?
viscid helm
Same answer
gilded kayak
do you mean yes confirm and no it doesnt lol?🤔
gilded kayak
yeah I thought so thanks
humble crane
Finally joined a new guild and got a kin parse that wasnt green, because I got a kill where most of the raid WASNT DEAD.
strange python
stop talking shit .. that makes no sense to skill 30% dmg reduce to have 30% dmg reduce
civic palm
@dire spoke
dire spoke
humble crane
I had alpha, barely played it. Feelsbad
civic palm
It's being Installed, that's abooooout it.
viscid helm
That looks like waste of time right there
supple hearth
😭
dire spoke
hugs giggle
zealous dew
cities skyline
viscid helm
U can play BFA rogue on live
civic palm
Oh yeah?
viscid helm
Dont pick VR or use poisons and remove KB from bars
civic palm
Lemme press my fucking CT button real fast > _>
viscid helm
CT is a meme anyway
civic palm
I am more interested in that if I need to test something, I can, that's all.
dire spoke
BfA clicker friendly
dire spoke
_ >
strange python
netflix talk kills ppl
civic palm
Interesting.
dire spoke
miz netflix and chill? 
civic palm
upbeat fiber
Im happy to hear that assasination will still be fun in BFA. I watched a FinalBossTV video on youtube on it
so will continue to play mine
dire spoke
bay playing rogue 
fast nacelle
viscid helm
Good fucking joke mate
Also the issue with finalboss videos is that he doesnt understand all classes and specs
And the mechanics
civic palm
Troof
exotic rampart
Pb being a choice, exs viable, blindside, mastery and haste scaling with bleeds lesgo
No longer would we rather kill ourself than put on a 985 ring with haste
brisk forge
insane that haste has been such a bad stat for so long
civic palm
Not really, for Rogues anyway.
Considering it did "nothing".
Even though there was some meme-y shit going on for a little while when DP was broken and probably contributed to that > _>
civic palm
Mmmm, talk to Ret Pallies for a while there how much they liked every stat being about the same for them.
Your gearing was effectively a random serious of shrugs due to your stat weights changing almost always.
You're better off with stats doing something but not have every stat be the same weight.
Don't need 4 stats to "scale well", just a few.
brisk forge
got a hight geared pala and yes its a blessing with ilvl before stats
steep obsidian
"make a bis list" "ok every titanforged item is my bis"
exotic rampart
Having some stats be better than others is fine, having mastery sim more than 3 times more than haste isnt
civic palm
Nah, not all stats have to be "good".
exotic rampart
Makes you just hate your life getting a tforge piece with haste
civic palm
Having a bad one is fine.
exotic rampart
An unusable one though?
safe matrix
I actually liked haste being garbo, it made it fun to see how low I could get it
quick ice
It's not really 3x as bad as mastery though.
civic palm
2% or die.
I do think that the changes made in BFA to get Haste to influence some of our design is fine, as it - if nothing else - makes up for losing T21 4P.
stark heart
It makes haste finally do what it's supposed to do
stark heart
Scale your energy income properly and be stat that allows you to do more
civic palm
But... Droods still have a 6 second cooldown on Prowl > _>
quick ice
Does it improve poison tick rate now too?
stark heart
Yes
exotic rampart
Exsang CT haste build when?
stark heart
Ct doesn't give energy so why?
quick ice
Please God let hidden blades not be best st talent
civic palm
hahaha
civic palm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quick ice
Did they fix the fact that spamming it is better than letting it tick yet?
stark heart
I am not a fan of HB neither on live nor on beta
viscid helm
Exsang is garbo
civic palm
The initial hit is still on CT AFAIK.
viscid helm
Hidden blades was the best choice last night
stark heart
It's still there yes, but that can be done via balancing which hasn't happened properly yet
viscid helm
On both raid tests
civic palm
Yeah no numbers have been run yet, part of the reason for these raid tests.
exotic rampart
Ct feels clunky because the ideal rotation aoe would involve 3 ruptures 3 garrottes and ct 100% uptime
stark heart
Classes aren't done, it's not time to tune numbers closely
civic palm
Too many Garrotes.
exotic rampart
You almost feel punished for it giving no energy
quick ice
I guarantee the CT issue will be balanced away, because that's "degenerate gameplay"
stark heart
I dunno how I'd play Assa on packs, multi rupturing is a loss of value because mobs don't live for it to tick fully
civic palm
Should be MUT/BS > _>
quick ice
VR dead or blindside dead?
civic palm
Both?
viscid helm
Which is not ideal
civic palm
At all.
viscid helm
Cos TB is trash early on
civic palm
People like Dispatch.
quick ice
Yes.
stark heart
Hello?
quick ice
Called blindside now
kind forge
_
exotic rampart
Why is exs slow, it literally gives you more energy when it ticks twice as fast
quick ice
It doesn't work with VR, so possibly not great
viscid helm
Vendetta doesnt line with exsang
civic palm
So for the future...
viscid helm
No more bota
civic palm
we want...
Dispatch to work with VR;
CT to have a weak initial hit or removed entirely.
Hidden Blades fucking what?!
exotic rampart
Why would we want a passive talent to better, does it make sense for vr to be good
civic palm
Also character copies.
main storm
I hope TB is not the best st talent anymore
quick ice
Hidden blades seems more sub to me still, maybe it's because they were the only ones to use the cloak ever
kind forge
Hidden blades sound boring... Never liked to stack the cape LUL
civic palm
Yeah need more Mastery for TB.
viscid helm
Need more energy
civic palm
Not getting ENVs in?
viscid helm
Spec to slow for TB atm
civic palm
mmm
viscid helm
Exactly
exotic rampart
No kingsbane either
civic palm
Meh
kind forge
I did hear that TB only affects DP now in bfa.. Is that true ?
quick ice
Only 2 Env during a TB is kinda meh. 3+ is when it feels good
viscid helm
Its bad talent for early expac
exotic rampart
Rest in pepperoni
civic palm
Yeah stats are whack atm.
Copies please.
or fucking... gear vendors.
with OLD gear even.
viscid helm
Barely any crit
vapid moth
lol 30%
quick ice
KB dying is "good" because it had a hard to understand tooltip for most people and they didn't really fix it.
viscid helm
Like 15%
vapid moth
lololol
civic palm
What are you fucking LEVELING?!
viscid helm
Its really bad
civic palm
KB didn't change anything > _> Keep ENV up... wow.
vapid moth
lmao 15% crit
quick ice
Don't we have 10% crit baseline?!
vapid moth
youre never getting more than 2 cp from mut
quick ice
Where the hell did crit go
civic palm
Didn't even explain how KB worked the entire expansion.
viscid helm
Crit went into haste
exotic rampart
You guys might need to bring out your fist weapons for a tier or two
main storm
All i ask for is we keep our strong ST and we have the choice to lose some ST but then we can compete in aoe.
exotic rampart
😄
civic palm
DMG poor?
quick ice
Just so long as we never get agonising back
civic palm
AP was horeshit awful.
main storm
I hate when PB doesnt proc on mm+... or it procs when 1 add left...
civic palm
Wanna DPS? Wait a moment.
viscid helm
Yeh hidden blades was more ST than PB
viscid helm
On raid tests
exotic rampart
I would hate for a passive talent like pb to be able to do 20% or my damage D
civic palm
👏 AP YAY
viscid helm
PB was 2%
civic palm
Anyway yeah, PBomb needs balancing.
quick ice
The only vaguely decent part of AP was letting us tunnel all the time
main storm
But scalling is shit so we dont rly know
civic palm
AP was an excuse > _>
kind forge
Tunneling ResidentSleeper
civic palm
Yeah that's the thing about Beta atm, bad stats. Though I dunno how much mastery we might be able to get.
Time to find the mastery gear from questing > _>
main storm
Pray that we are not #1 dps on release or we will take the nerf hammer
civic palm
Testing is at like... 4PM est again tomorrow ye?
viscid helm
Same time
civic palm
Nah people get nerfed when things are too high compared to the rest of the crowd, broken, or above where they want ST to be.
Will have to get things setup for then, then.
👏
civic palm
There not being discreet fullscreen anymore is weird > _>"
atomic grotto
hello people
strange python
hello
viscid helm
100
main storm
With our ilvl
atomic grotto
y so?
main storm
We fucking have to soak the spell (dunno the english name) as rogue on vari
That is annoying
humble crane
Marked for prey?
atomic grotto
u just shadowstep
viscid helm
Is hard
humble crane
Dont you have any warriors?
strange python
annoying cause shadow step is not dps 😦
humble crane
Your raid has no dps warriors though?
main storm
We have 1. But it s always rogue u know
viscid helm
1 gcd is irrelevant, unless u cap energy
humble crane
But warriors gain dps from doing it...so
atomic grotto
BLEED MASTERRACE\
viscid helm
So does havoc
brisk forge
lol, do it with shadowstep, i mean cmon ^^ i got nice ranks when i shadowstep so ofc you c an do nice deeepsssss
dapper knot
thoughts on sin vs sub in raids?
fiery nest
in raids sin is no brainer imo, more dmg, more forgiving on mistakes/mechanics, has an execute
solid nova
@dapper knot https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17
You can change it to Heroic if appropriate
Regardless, Sub is currently the under performing spec out of all 3.
dapper knot
why is this even a discussion then
fiery nest
performs better in m+ tho
dapper knot
theres strong feeling that sub isnt bad i guess
solid nova
Thats why its a simple as
Sin for raiding
Sub for m+
Literally.
Naturally people have their preferences
But the numbers are out there to support
strange python
Mornin’ Richard
shrewd night
Hey richard
dapper knot
Yeah if using normalized and an RNG spec is still pulling out ahead
its definitely the best
shrewd night
You know what the definition of insanity is?
dapper knot
thats legit outlaw at start of expo
solid nova
Saying the same thing over and over expecting different results @shrewd night
@strange python Morning
strange python
Hows life?
shrewd night
@solid nova Let me fingergun ya
strange python
Sim it btw
dapper knot
cant sim it with current gear
solid nova
@dapper knot You also have to remember, not everyone plays "Whats best". Some people play their preferred spec. And in all honesty, if you're only playing till the end of Legion, you'll be fine playing your preference too.
dapper knot
well i could it would just be useless
strange python
I dont even know what’s being talked about
dapper knot
sub vs sin in raids
strange python
Sim it is my goto answer
dapper knot
most of the time it would be the right answer
expect im specifically refering to while gearing 940-960 with unoptimal leggos
well more specically no leggos except wellfare ring and whatever i get as first
strange python
Play what you like
solid nova
Sin will pull miles ahead
dapper knot
im not that type of person
solid nova
Without optimal leggos
dapper knot
okay thats the type of stuff i want to hear
i dont care whats fun for me i like to pull the maximum amount of damage i can for my item level
thats whats fun to me
strange python
Hey if Top dps is what you like to play
viscid helm
Then why do u play rogue
strange python
I can get behind that
dapper knot
the guild wants a rogue
cant play spriest or aff lock :\
they already have a shit ton lol
solid nova
Spriests in bfa 
dapper knot
thats why im saying ill get funneled gear by going rogue its not a problem
strange python
Priests in general
viscid helm
Just play WW
civic hinge
What's wrong with spriest in bfa?
solid nova
What do they want a rogue specifically for?
strange python
Soakinggggg
solid nova
@civic hinge Last time I heard they were horribly unfinished
strange python
What else does rogue do
dapper knot
not anything in particular its just they dont have any and i said i had a rogue at 110 that i could start using
@solid nova
solid nova
I mean, you can see the graph i sent, WW is busted.
civic hinge
@solid nova I hope it gets better, our top DH will reroll shadow :p
solid nova
And it seems to be strong in bfa as well
So instead of playing rogue for 2months and dropping it, could keep a class into BFA
dapper knot
@solid nova oh sure WW is very strong i just dont care for it
i already have my classes for BFA
i main heals
this is my dps offspec shit
i just still like min/maxing everything i do
shrewd night
@solid nova Is this usually whats going on in the mornings before my coffee? My head hurts alerady
dapper knot
@shrewd night first time member
but i get the jist im not stil lasking the same question
you have already answered
sin for raids sub for M+
dapper knot
its just pressing for details is the only way to get actual discussion out of people
rather than basic template answers
solid nova
Dont know about that mate
shrewd night
This is fun
solid nova
There's asking for opinions then asking for facts
dapper knot
You dont think so?
wise frigate
Share? @shrewd night
shrewd night
Ill trade for tart
wise frigate
Deal.
solid nova
@shrewd night As a recovering coke addict, i dont value your openess for pills.
shrewd night
Gotchu fam
wise frigate
I should really be taking my drugs and passing the fuck out.
dapper knot
aussie?
solid nova
Brit
dapper knot
its 1am here
wise frigate
4 AM but I want to get this damn AV achievement done for Children's Week.
shrewd night
Its 10am in non-third-world countries
wise frigate
So I don't forget for the 4th year in a row.
strange python
Y I K E S
dapper knot
america third world country
wise frigate
Since it's the only event I need left for the mount.
dapper knot
probably true tbh
wise frigate
For 4 years now.
strange python
Innit
solid nova
Something something 4
wise frigate
Fuck 12
dapper knot
what does the world think of our president?
dapper knot
yeah ill only ask this one question
wise frigate
At the very least other channels.
solid nova
No politics on discord until Perelman wakes up.
here.
dapper knot
at least one could answer 😛
solid nova
Well once you get boosted/geared and have logs that you want reviewing
Can look into those too
shrewd night
dapper knot
i doubt ill have decent logs since ill just be getting funneled
solid nova
But seriously, the guide covers a lot of basics and is worth reading
shrewd night
inb4 template answers
solid nova
Nah but rotation can be looked into etc.
dapper knot
true
dapper knot
ill have to do some research b4 the raid
for reference here is the toon currently https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/kelthuzad/sìlk
wise frigate
Aww what a cute lil baby.
wise frigate
: ^)
shrewd night
Because youll likely be the only on in the ilevel bracket
dapper knot
oh definitely
solid nova
Thats what he means 😄
shrewd night
Arent we always gearing though?
wise frigate
Ah a fellow Tich degenerate.
shrewd night
#Deep
dapper knot
were recruiting tart ;P
shrewd night
I dont think it was a compliment
wise frigate
Are you better than 8/11?
shrewd night
LFR?
wise frigate
If so I'll consider it.
shrewd night
Sure
dapper knot
i will accept that degenerate comment
strange python
👌🏻😂
shrewd night
Maybe
dapper knot
nah were progressing on HC rn
shrewd night
....Oh
wise frigate
Then I'll pass :P
solid nova
Progressing HC 
wise frigate
Scuse you Shi. I'm a mythic Tart now. Against all odds.
shrewd night
Mythic Tart, best tart
wise frigate
👌
dapper knot
we just started in mythic 3 weeks ago
wise frigate
Oh hey me too. I'm so bad in mythic. It hurts seeing blues and greens on my logs page.
solid nova
If you're on mythic
dapper knot
same
solid nova
You're not progressing hc fam
dapper knot
progressing high council...
wise frigate
Lel
dapper knot
mythic high council
viscid helm
Me to
wise frigate
AHC = HC btw.
solid nova
Im not sure whats worse really.
wise frigate
To avoid confusion.
solid nova
First 9 are free
wise frigate
Not if you're my guild. "How do I deal with heroic mechanics on Coven" -99% of my guild.
viscid helm
Argus and aggra are easier than vari
wise frigate
Exactly. And my guild just forgets how the entire fight works.
It's okay though. We can't even get past Imonar and Kin because people are playing with their eyes closed.
shrewd night
Just saying
We wiped more on Garothi than Aggramar this week
But then again Garothi hasnt been nerfed yet
wise frigate
Give it time.
solid nova
Week before BFA
wise frigate
Double soaks are hard man.
dapper knot
were just figuring out the fight right now
im our RL so if you guys have advice...
only like 3 pulls on AHC
shrewd night
Step one - Assign pods
Step two - Dont trigger mines
Step three - Dont fuck up Pod3
Aaaaaand its dead
dapper knot
pretty much
Do you guys think we have too many ranged?
look at those logs it feels like we doo
solid nova
No such thing as too much ranged
wise frigate
There's no such thing as too much ranged.
solid nova
Ayyy
wise frigate
Dammit.
dapper knot
literally only 2 melee dps
shrewd night
dapper knot
people not prepotting? oh boy i get to get my whip out
solid nova
So basically you're wiping because you're failing mechanics atm
dapper knot
as a healer idgaf
shrewd night
???
solid nova
What
dapper knot
im still working on it
shrewd night
You just destroyed every piece of integrity you had built up this last hour
wise frigate
That's why you're fucking up. Always min-max so you can flex on them hoes.
dapper knot
got better on doing it on garothi tonight
implying i care about my intergrity
im here to get answers dude
wise frigate
If you're not flexxing on bitches, what's the point of even playing the game?
dapper knot
in certain scenarios i do..
shrewd night
Dogs
Six people doublepotted
14 people didnt, or used no pots
Garothi
10 people didnt doublepot
dapper knot
definitely good to note
shrewd night
Or used no pots
dapper knot
gonna call people out
strange python
sounds like a casual guild
dapper knot
i mean were not a harcore guild but we are trying to progress on mythic
strange python
Shiennar 😂
dapper knot
and people not double potting is unacceptable
solid nova
Same applies to prepotting
dapper knot
at least dps not double potting is suuuuuuuper unacceptable
its legit just a dps increase
solid nova
Dont care what role you are
shrewd night
Anyone not doublepotting is dumb
shrewd night
Its a dpsincrease for anyone, so dont see your point
wise frigate
Inb4 someone tries to say "but pots are expensive." you best get that 
out.
strange python
But pots are expensive
shrewd night
solid nova
Theyre free and people arent using them
shrewd night
give it out for free
solid nova
God save me
shrewd night
But it aint used
wise frigate
Shit I double pot on fucking normals just cause it's habit.
dapper knot
yep
shrewd night
Ahahahaha
dapper knot
makes me cry to see this
wise frigate
Wait you give them out?
solid nova
Are you familiar with log analysis?
wise frigate
????????????????????
solid nova
Because you'll see some scary things if you look deep enough
strange python
THEY’RE SELLING THEM
dapper knot
not really richard i try to look at some stuff we could improve on
strange python
ez scam
dapper knot
not super deep though
wise frigate
Wouldn't surprise me. Even I'm not THAT scummy and my guild's resident scumbag.
dapper knot
we dont give them out like that
they have to take them out of Gbank
so theres a log and nobodys even taking them out of Gbank
wise frigate
Know what, I should prolly not say that before Notter sees it and gets angery at me.
dapper knot
they just dont touch them
zealous dew
potions 😄
strange python
I miss old notter
wise frigate
Even if I am one IRL.
strange python
Resident scumbag lol
dapper knot
strange python
I saw nothing 👀
wise frigate
Well I've basically taken over 600k gold off them since I transferred to Tich.
Just from gambling in raid waiting on people.
wise frigate
Transferred with like 240k, am going to break 1mil with 0 gold making occurring once a warlock pays me the 130k he owes.
Uh, 200 or 300k
Usually do 10-20k rolls, and some 100-200k rolls towards the end.
wise frigate
2 people last night had to buy a wow token to pay me.
strange python
Nice
wise frigate
He said he'll get the token this weekend to pay me 
solid nova
Can you hear me?
solid nova
Have you been in an accident that wasn't your fault in the last 5 years?
dapper knot
yes
ornate gazelle
Should I be using Blood Fury with Vendetta or Vanish?
wise frigate
You maybe entitled to compensation.
safe matrix
I mean you hold vanish for vendetta
so both?
maybe just vendetta
i dont know, I don't play orc
solid nova
It's a 2min CD
And you're only going to vanish with vendetta
So use with vanish and you're gucci
zealous dew
jesus I hate that word
wise frigate
strange python
Hol' up i use vanish 》vendetta not vanish 》 rupture
zealous dew
no gucci
solid nova
#guccigang
strange python
Everytime gucci is said i feel a part of me dying
zealous dew
rather kill the guy saying that word
solid nova
1 v 1 me in dalaran sewers nerd
zealous dew
tulips ?
solid nova
❤
zealous dew
every dps does it from behind
well apart from ranged
they're nuking turrets
stand still and nuke
safe matrix
Not some of the dps I play with 😃
zealous dew
lol
wise frigate
solid nova
Just demonetised discussions
marble hemlock
demonetised or demonized?
marble hemlock
if theres anyone whos doing the demonizing, its the muricans
why is masteryfood so much harder to craft than the others? fucking gem chips...
shrewd night
Why make food yourself when you can leech off the vers feast?
safe matrix
But then you have to spec into leeching poison to be able to leech
safe matrix
Remember, cheating is wrong 😄
solid nova
Only bad players use cheat death
Because you should execute mechanics perfectly
So leeching is better
shrewd night
B O Y I S H G I G G L E S
solar willow
It seems i cant parce on high command and i dont know what im doing wrong either
solid nova
Not enough AoE
Literally all there is to parsing for AHC.
There's some real 🧀 logs for it
solar willow
I mean u still go with bracers u dont wear cloak right
solid nova
Are you talking HC or Mythic for this parse btw
spare cloud
And hope they don't die instantly
shrewd night
If you ever change legendaries just to pad Ill come to your house and break your kneecaps
solar willow
So when adds spawn jst fan of knives finisher and pray for bomb?
solid nova
They wont move if everyones stacked
jovial kite
Guys
solid nova
Yeah @solar willow
solid nova
I dont even swap targets
jovial kite
90 euros
solid nova
Just funnel boss
spare cloud
jovial kite
im too busy to clean
spare cloud
Busy wiping on maiden
spare cloud
Maids are only for rich people they said
jovial kite
she comes every two weeks when im at work
spare cloud
well technically richard is a rich person.
spare cloud
and slagg is poor af
jovial kite
yep top poor fam
solar willow
Uhm #off-topic ?
shrewd night
Im a little hestitent because I dont know how my cat would react to strangers
But aside from that, those maidens would be 👌
jovial kite
Its pure profit
who tf has time to clean
i bought a bis vacuum cleaner for her toi
spare cloud
tbh I'm probably gonna get a maid as well
solar willow
Does it have leech?
spare cloud
when I live alone
jovial kite
panasonic with a detachable container
or was it dim sum samsung
Ill post pic when im home
zealous dew
boy this energy regen on beta
strange python
Yeas?
steep obsidian
that is standard for levelling as a rogue in shit gear
strange python
Is poison bomb gunna be talent for us in BFA or crimson tempest
Or is that one of those build specific things
wise frigate
Asking what talents we're going to run when the game's still in beta 
viscid helm
Ask again in 4 months
strange python
Atm i feel PB shitty, not much procs and low dmg
I just wanted to know what its looking liks
viscid helm
PB is useless on beta rn
strange python
Only choice is CT unless u ST
strange python
Ye HB for single or questing feels better than CT
strange python
We all gunna have to re roll outlaw
On big packs i only can do CT > Rupture on 2> renew CT
Since CT are 12 sec i think
Outlaw on packs is awesome with blade rush, but on single is meh atm
I intend on maining rogue in BfA
strange python
Ass in legion is the only spec i find fun
viscid helm
Its far from fun
strange python
Agree i think only viable spec will be assa with good year and azerite
viscid helm
Shit game, still hoping they remove cos completely
strange python
If rogue doesent turn out fun in bfa then i guess ill main my lock
viscid helm
Dont apply poisons, un talent VR and remove KB from bars on live
Go do a lfr boss
=BFA
strange python
Lol why dont apply poisons
marble hemlock
so you dont get energy from VV
steep obsidian
i actually levelled frost mage to 120 on beta it does feel more fun then sin rogue
brisk forge
Lovely wont miss KB!
steep obsidian
but its hard to give up the melee life
well kb adds a fair bit of complexity to the spec
did you ever play sin in hfc? it was pretty brain dead you didn't even really need to worry about envnom buff it just happened
might get to that point in bfa
shrewd night
afaik enhancement is pretty much the same as on live so doing that as backup
solar willow
Is it really that azerite gear talents are same as netherlight crusible?
viscid helm
Yes
solar willow
Any1 tried monks ww in beta
Was thinking it would be a solid spec to re roll to in bfa
strange python
ww feels alright actually
violet elm
im thinking about switching to healer
strange python
probably due to it not being affected by gcd
this much
ww's offensive cds are already gcd locked on live
warm parcel
plucky ember
yes
the new dispatched, cant remember the name of it now, is fun as fuck
makes it so much more enjoyable in execute
slender bridge
rouge feels slow as well in legion without legos and good gear
slender bridge
so yeah i'd wait and see how it goes
ripe nimbus
Man that face when fun is subjective and ur assuming how u feel is how everyone should feel @viscid helm
shrewd night
Say that to everyone coming in asking if x feels fun
plucky ember
yeah im pretty sure the classes was "slow" before we got the artifacts, fucking EN was pure sheit
ripe nimbus
Assassination is always slow at the start of an expac yall new?
viscid helm
Well the whole purpose of BFA was to slow down the game
cos apparently it was to fast paced
slender bridge
they literally said in the faq that that was not the intention what they want to do is to make that it matters wether you use ability x or y instead of both
plucky ember
im digging the dispatch anyways, getting a free one, from useing mutilate, feels so good
marble hemlock
didnt you get the memo flowi?
viscid helm
shrewd night
What they say != what is real
marble hemlock
which button to press
viscid helm
ye console release is after BFA
shrewd night
You say you want fastpaced combat, but you really dont
shrewd night
Blizz Slogan
marble hemlock
yeah
viscid helm
ye tbh i like the feel of Beta rn, where it takes you 8s to get to 4CP
and get env out
marble hemlock
next expac collectors comes with a couple of roofies so you can have the full "you think you dont want it, but you do" experience
shrewd night
slender bridge
@viscid helm that's how a fresh 110 rouge feels just saying
plucky ember
ah yes
marble hemlock
we will get more haste for more energy though!
viscid helm
is the equal of BFA end game
slender bridge
yes exactly that's exactly how it is Alpha bfa clearly shows us that lategame BFA will be like beginning of legion
marble hemlock
the only reason our gameplay became more fastpaced is thanks to t21 4pc
so unless they do the exact same thing
plucky ember
^
marble hemlock
which they said they wouldnt
viscid helm
raid testing was set to 330ilvl which is raid gear
marble hemlock
its gonna stay the same?
viscid helm
it played equal to live if you untalent VR, dont apply poisons and remove KB from bars
actually
it was worse
cos at least u have some crit on live
rogue gameplay
u mean
sub is even worse
marble hemlock
it just plays super slow, and theres no reason for that to change over the course of bfa except a tiny bit thanks to haste-scaling
slender bridge
yes and timewalking scaling works also perectly and oyu class doesn't suffer from stats
shrewd night
????
viscid helm
marble hemlock
but thats not enough, and there wont be any bonuses similar to current t21 because they specifically said they dont want stuff like that anymore, so assuming its gonna stay the same over the course of the next expac is not that far fetched
plucky ember
feels like you are talking out of your ass right now flowi
shrewd night
what is this
plucky ember
sure
yes
do you??
christ
so that i actually like the way you can play it now, means im wrong
marble hemlock
again, doesnt matter if youre playing beta or not, theres no reason to think that our gameplay will become faster paced further into the expac, because there are no mechanics that would enable such a scaling
plucky ember
alright
viscid helm
🙃
i really liked that passive azerite trait on raid testing
ohh boy
what a game changer
marble hemlock
^this
viscid helm
so amazing
slender bridge
the thing is it important for it to be fast paced or does it just have to feel good
slender bridge
well that can be done without faster pace
marble hemlock
there wont be any big azerite traits that massively affect the gameplay, because then it would be "mandatory" for them to create new ones all the time (or keep the old ones), which is exactly what set bonuses are right now, which is what they said they dont want to do anymore
viscid helm
fml
can they just
like
remove CoS from rogue
so i dont need to play this hideous class
shrewd night
Stop talking out of your ass flowi 
viscid helm
shrewd night
Someone else than Richard respond pls
marble hemlock
"not rogue"
shrewd night
Was surprised someone else than set rogue for prio tbf
Competition in slowpaced shit, what is this
Ill feel like winning the paraolympics
viscid helm
echo estuary
finally you'll know what pvpers felt like 😉
solid nova
@shrewd night Multi dotting hounds is a bad idea btw
slim estuary
if im energy starved is it more important to feint the rage on argus or dps?
echo estuary
getting shat on by the game devs
viscid helm
u mean tortured rage?
shrewd night
@solid nova I havent done that in months, henlo?
slim estuary
yeah mate. not the debuff
marble hemlock
if youre dying to it -> feint
otherwise its your healers job to heal, and youre job to dps
slim estuary
if im not energy starved should i take the opportunity to help out the healers
solid nova
Disagree
slim estuary
always the healers fault
marble hemlock
easy question
viscid helm
🤷
marble hemlock
would you like to kill the boss
solid nova
Healers should be anticipating rage
slim estuary
even if you take a scythe
marble hemlock
or would you like to wipe because you didnt feint and healers couldnt keep you up
marble hemlock
people progressing on these bosses now have to be more time efficient than dying to stupid shit
like not feinting when you couldve
viscid helm
exactly
slender bridge
might just as well stand in scythe healers job ain't it
shrewd night
🎸
shrewd night
Is what I think about that statement kofer