prydaz give you a little bit of leeway if you screw up and your healer too
#assassination
near python
ignore sebek, he knows nothing. Run Cheat Death, have cloak + vanish + cheat death for 3 mechanics, call for iskars when you are out. Remember you are a rogue and you need to be greedy, because if you are not nr 1 dps what is the point of playing
lethal heart
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steep obsidian
you cant be nr1 dps if you dead
marble hemlock
sebek isnt even a rogue
marble hemlock
lul
marble hemlock
yup
zealous dew
bah unfair
drifting cloud
wheres the remake
marble hemlock
well....
why remake?
can just fake dc
everytime youre losing
to force remake
drifting cloud
they did it in apac like 10 times?
marble hemlock
apac was an entirely different issue though, wasnt it?
steep obsidian
its different to the apac thing apac had thousands of players dc at the same time
and blizzard could see the issue
drifting cloud
I see
steep obsidian
i guess it was just a random dc or something :\
drifting cloud
not having extra mobile tether setup in 2018 or something lul
steep obsidian
i was watching mdi while in a antorus pug for the apac and like when those guys dced half my raid lagged out or dced so the issue was huge and obvious
although it still sucks
nocturne gate
how worth is useing leggy back in m+ ?
nocturne gate
for sup too ?
drifting cloud
its bis for sub
lethal heart
@marble hemlock stop bully ๐ต
marble hemlock
stop playing monk then
marble hemlock
sounds like a you issue
zealous dew
it's drjay time ๐
steep obsidian
team not good enough to pull off the big dick pulls sub needs to be really good
obv
alpine pier
Insignia of the Grand Army or Soul of the Shadowblade?
steep obsidian
you should probably sim it there are some basic rankings in the pins up top for legos
zealous dew
๐
cosmic prism
anyone got a good wa for sin that shows dot timers not cd's?
zealous dew
check pins
cosmic prism
the pinned wa's are pretty trash
cosmic prism
i mean they look good in the preview pic but thats not what is linked
steep obsidian
there are probably a couple dozen sets on wago.io if you cant find something to modify that you like id be surprised
cosmic prism
im mainly looking for a wa that changes the colour of my garrote for subterfuge
steep obsidian
oh well i thought that was in notters set i dont use them though
cosmic prism
i have a nice set of wa's now i'd just like that 1 feature
strange python
for those on beta, what spec do you think is faster to questing? I feel like outlaw, but whats your opion
Ok boys, im new to assassination and rogues in general (I boosted to 110) i tried LFR Argus as cringe as it is to log it i wanted to test my performance on a mechanic orientated fight https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kaXTvWJYP7qrMjd1/ any feed back apart from the obvious (No enchants ect) would be appreciated!
plain thistle
get mine, https://wago.io/Hk97Xy-Yf , delete the rest ๐
i dont have garrote/rupture with NS/subterfuge separated, sorry
zealous dew
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steep obsidian
man we are so freaking helpful here
screw the people who say this discord is toxic and mean
plain thistle
btw, if you import mine, dont delete "Bleeds (DB)" , you will need it for the subterfuge/NS buffed dot
spare cloud
Your weakauras 
strange python
@strange python You are ilvl 897 so there is not much to say. With no tier and really low crit it is hard to do anything outside of the basics. Try reading the guide at the top to get a hold of the basics (never let dots fall off, maintain envenom buff etc). From what I can see, you are letting Garrote fall off a lot.
Yep i do notice that, on that note. Any one got a WA that just tracks the time left on dots?
There are lots of them, try browsing wago.io for assassination rogue weakauras.
I also see that you are wasting a lot of combo points. Never use mutilate at 4 combo points. Just use your finisher like normal.
Ok, thank you for advice. ๐
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Actually, is my opener good?
sorry to drag you back lol
steep obsidian
read the pins
for the correct opener
it will change with your gear and legendaries
wraith eagle
Hey, I'm poison build sin rogue, andI'm using the talent ring and mantle (only two leggo's atm), so I have Vigor AND deeper strategem. I was wondering, should I still do finishers at 4/5cp? or 5/6cp?
strange python
4/5 - Ideally you should just never mutilate three times in a row
wraith eagle
awesome, thank you. I've been keeping at 4/5 out of habit, but was curious if anything changes because of the talent ring.
zealous dew
imagine DS and mut2 mut2 ๐
surreal lodge
should i put the effort into getting t20 pieces ๐ค
marble hemlock
as assa? only if you want to play bleed, and even then its not mandatory if you get good offpieces
surreal lodge
ah im a poison boi
marble hemlock
then no
only decent t20 pieces statwise are chest and shoulders. gloves are decent but the rest is kinda crappy, so they quickly get outpaced by somewhat higher ilvl offpieces from antorus
and t21 chest has great stats too
so theres no obvious go-to choices for t20 2pc
ideally youd want shoulders+gloves
surreal lodge
i guess i continue my eoc hunt ๐
marble hemlock
hmm
eoc is barely better than fang, and youre not gonna use it on most multi-target fights :/
well, a 940 one
got 950 with socket and its only slightly better than 965ssf
marble hemlock
yeah, just sounded like you were looking to spam a single dungeon
upper isnt really the best one since the only good item there is eoc ^^
steep obsidian
There is an ma shadow relic too
marble hemlock
vault is better for relics, since it has 2 MA relics and the bis ring
surreal lodge
ooo cache mission is up for me, bonus rolling dogs again boys 
steep obsidian
Yeh forsho
proven falcon
anyone have any tips to help me increase my DPS?
supple hearth
the first pin in this channel is a good first step
always read the pins ^^
@proven falcon
simple jackal
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
simple jackal
!help
proven falcon
thanks!
little frigate
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
sinful jewel
guys bigwigs or dbm its working in beta bfa? and which addons working anyone know that? can you help me?
proven falcon
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
little frigate
what do you guys think about the removal of tier sets in bfa?
supple hearth
good change
the focus is going to be on the pieces of gear that give specific boons to your neck
so having set bonuses on top of that would be annoying
hard gust
what's the apl for assassination rogues with kil'jaedens?
does it use it on cd or only while vendetta is up?
strange python
The default condition for sin trinkets was to use with vendetta dont know if that changed
run a sim and check
hard gust
i've been taught that kj gets increased dmg if there's a debuff on the target that makes it take increased damage
but not if you have a buff that increases dmg dealt
drowsy depot
Do anyone know if bloodelf still is better racial , when nerf hit live ? or is it close to others
civic palm
Did they remove the resource generation?
civic palm
Yep, all same for raiding.
Still a 1.5 minute CD as well.
Yet my fart cloud... is 3 hours.
drowsy depot
yeah first in bfa , im chaning to horde probably, and just thinking about races to use
civic palm
If racials are going to end up mattering I would wait to see what other changes are made to the other racials.
supple hearth
@drowsy depot blood elf is an aoe purge instead of a silence now. its garbage :p
strange python
in terms of dps the silence doesn't matter anyway
supple hearth
๐คท it was mostly used for utility not dps
sand whale
inb4 they make a boss with a mechanic that makes aoe purge amazing
strange python
his question was about the best racial for dps
supple hearth
I didn't see anything about dps - I just saw "if bloodelf is still bnetter racial, when nerf hit live"
and the answer is no. it's not still a better racial. because it was used for utility
which is gone now
marble hemlock
can dispell arcanist in brh so mage cant pad as much ๐ค
supple hearth
Playing BRH in 2019
nova pagoda
i think its on the gcd now though
so its kinda shitty compaired to like double food from panda
supple hearth
I mean it depends on what is "best" for you. If 10k more dps is actually THAT important to you then yes its the best racial. But i'd put a lot of money down betting that utility > aesthetics >>>>>>>>>>> dps for MOST people.
viscid helm
what would you choose over belf then?
supple hearth
without the silence i'll probably be orc
next expansion
the stun reduction is going to make it the best racial for pvp
unless that gets changed
plus they get upright now so aesthetically they wont be as awful
I'm also waiting to see zandalari racials
but I'm not expecting anything too strong for them - just have my fingers crossed to be pleasantly surprised that they'll actually be good
nova pagoda
wouldnt panda for void elf be bis in terms of dmg beacuse of some reacils geting put on gcd
strange python
Boys! if i sim at 920k and achive 800k (Varimathras) am i bad?
fervent beacon
Not at all. That's pretty good.
hybrid laurel
should I go with dreadlord's deceit for doing a +15 or is it better to run a single target legendary instead?
supple hearth
Rashathel its really something that would need to be simmed and we won't know until live what its actually like so speculating the best spec atm is just feelycraft. That and like I said we still don't know Zandalari racials. And with how much editing they've been making to racials I wouldn't be surprised if we saw more nerfs/buffs
@hybrid laurel dreadlord's deceit is not good for assassination. Run ST legendaries. shoulders/bracers are common
safe matrix
Just do something like mantle/bracers
hybrid laurel
kk i wasn't sure it it's worth giving some aoe to the team for it or not
hybrid laurel
i run mantle boots for ST, no bracers yet
solid nova
@hybrid laurel Shoulders, helm are a decent alternative. Sims a lot higher than mantle-boots for me
hybrid laurel
ill check if it works for me, I have to use some lower ilvl t21 pieces to keep my 4pc for it
bold jetty
is this even worth using on assa? LOL
bold jetty
m+
safe matrix
It's too slow
safe matrix
Also sin doesn't have great multipliers to make it good
marble hemlock
proiblem with the trinket is that the mines explode after 15sec, so you need the mobs to be on the same spot 15sec after you pulled it, which is unlikely in m+
since tanks usually start kiting once their CDs run out, you may very well have them explode without any mobs around anymore
drifting cloud
I used to use it as sub on early high command kills it did decent damage
but yeah for assa probably potato
nova pagoda
idk i think it would be good for highcommand
honest pelican
anyone still solo vault of wardens, for ash'golm piece of the binding? im looking at it and i think i can but only hard boss may be the inquisitor in my way
i used that forgefiends a 950 for a looong time, still dont have my pantheon trinket just 6 blessings. it simmed highest only because of mastery i think
i used it in the mage tower fight on xylem too, funnily enough the mines are pretty strong aoe in there on he crystals
safe matrix
if you're having trouble soloing
you may need to use leeching/will of valeera
and vanish is kinda useless cause you'd just end up dropping aggro
honest pelican
ah i did not try yet, already ran it for the day didnt try to reset it or anything
ide assume will of valeera is plenty, consdiering it carried me through 3 mage towers
saw the old videos where you could just glitch it and fly down
civic palm
Not M+ IIRC, since I think you need to be able to loot the boss for the drop.
Don't think you can get it out of the end chest, though that might not be the case anymore.
civic palm
Mmm, /shrug
mellow python
am I supposed to keep garrote up if I'm playing nightstalker and I got shoulders??
civic palm
Yeah, Garrote up at all times.
marble hemlock
for singletarget atleast ^^
trim dirge
random question does anyone know if arcway/cos are still gated behind nightfallen rep
still pewter
Yes they are
trim dirge
damn
woeful prawn
So after failing forever on M aggramar my guild has at last reached Argus. I think I am dead inside at this point.
Any random tips for Arg?
void pecan
That's quite the long haul.
civic palm
Less time than some people are taking > _>"
supple hearth
The hardest part of killing the boss at the end of the expansion is people get burnt out and its hard to find replacements if you lose someone and have roster issues
surreal lodge
940 eoc achieved
dire spoke
the joining rate of new guildies is increasing exponential
lean falcon
Doing normal argus to gear a friend and do this to a poor nature add https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YJvqhcpya6xG481H#fight=last&type=damage-done&start=4924308&end=4969629
vapid moth
where do i go if i still want cutting edge by the end of the xpac
dire spoke
in /2 you can get it for gold
vapid moth
rip then
rain urchin
get good parses and apply at 10/11 or 9/11 guilds on the server I guess?
shrewd night
vapid moth
lol
civic palm
Find someone that has been working on 11/11 for four months, they need more bodies.
honest needle
a guild was telling me they need a rogue for mythic argus is there a reason y
what do rogues do on argus thats needed
ripe crow
is anyone in beta using crimson tempest?
hazy iron
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YJvqhcpya6xG481H#fight=last&type=damage-done&start=4924308&end=4969629&target=141.2 was the actual damage to the nature add
40% PB.. lol
fast nacelle
who needs poisonbombs anyway https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6NGLMhjnvVqDrFP9#fight=26&type=damage-done
ripe crow
i meant for bfa, wondering what ppl are thniking
sage stratus
Is Soul of the Shadowblade any decent? Not seeing it mentioned in any of the guides. First leggo, and new to rogue. Been researching a lot, but haven't come across any mention of it.
zealous dew
not that great ๐
steep obsidian
its ok for sub pretty garbo for sin unfortunately
sage stratus
Halfway decent for Outlaw?
zealous dew
have no clue, I don't play outlaw
honest needle
ai got 985 blitz shoulderrs from mythic garothi u guys think its worth replacing manltle lego for insignia ring
since i got that
for single target fights
kindred sedge
Best answer is always to sim it
zealous dew
crown + wrists is a good combo as well
sharp viper
hazy iron
the head is one of my best simming legendaries, and I have no idea why
hazy iron
true, i guess it'll be different once i get my mythic tier head
safe matrix
Replacement gear might be shite
vernal shale
zealous dew
euuu
steep obsidian
close
hazy iron
gushing wound ๐
zealous dew
almost a bleed boy dream
steep obsidian
a 960 with master lach would sim better ๐
safe matrix
Gushing wound and MAss, destiny wants you to bleed
zealous dew
missing shocklight ๐
safe matrix
Let's you ignore more mechanics to apply bleeds
safe matrix
If I play sin in m+ I'll use vendetta (if I don't need it coming up) for the energy to fish for poison bombs
So mass wouldn't be terrible
I dunno if that's right though, I really only do sin in m+ for shits and giggles
zealous dew
well if you pull 2 mobs sure, if you pull 10 you drown in energy
and you're gcd locked
strange python
Hey guys is there a reason ppl run legendary wrists on Kingaroth mythic instead of boots? I feel like you should be able to get in an extra vendetta between adds. right now im waiting 47 seconds with vendetta up and that seems like a waste, but the best logs are from ppl with wrists ๐ comments appreciated
steep obsidian
well you can do either
just depends if your group needs add damage or boss damage more
shoulders bracesr is always going to have an extremely high ceiling for add damage which makes up for holding vendetta
top logs are those who managed to get bombs during their shoulder crit window on the add as it spawned
cosmic prism
guys im new to assassination rogue, came from my sub and im doing less dmg than i expected can a link a warcraft log and someone can take a look?
viscid helm
ok
zealous dew
haha rich is on fire
steep obsidian
he goes a bit overboard imo sometimes
surreal lodge
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heavy plover
960 memento sims higher than 950 shadow-singed fang, however i feel like the fang is strong and never see anyone with a memento. Thots?
quick ice
Do people in your raid die a lot? That makes memento even better than sim
viscid helm
feelycrafting > sims
heavy plover
idk mem has a socket tho
sharp viper
well a lot of times simulations are not very representative for actual raid encounters and the player skill does not match the APL perfectly
memento is great for argus progression
heavy plover
ima try fang out
steep obsidian
memento really simming higher then a fang? thats interesting
i never had a high enough one to bother with it
old quartz
it has to be 960+ , my 940 memento sims lower than 960 eoc / 965 fang
steep obsidian
yeah
like that other guy said it is better when people die and that isnt part of the sims
would be fun to use on argus
old quartz
yea but if ppl are dying before p3 mythic argus your betting on the raid to fail lol
viscid helm
was just about to say that lol
old quartz
lol
viscid helm
reminds me of last MDI
jovial wharf
So I finally got my next legendary, but it's Soul of the Shadowblade. ๐ฆ not sure how I feel about it. It's apparently pretty low tier lol.
viscid helm
sadly yes
jovial wharf
now, being with the only legendaries I have. Would it be better than the Insignia of the grand army? or with their stats being higher, would it be better?
zealous dew
why seat remake ?
jovial wharf
I'm running a raid sim test to try them out, but I figured I'd ask while I wait
viscid helm
seat remake cos either the trash or boss bugged out
drifting cloud
the monk bugged out
steep obsidian
someone saying a debuff bugged on a player
drifting cloud
he got the dragging bug from trash mobs
jovial wharf
yeah I raid simmed. the insignia is still better. ughhhh
steep obsidian
you can play ds with sin it actually doesnt sim that badly just it feels kinda horrible if you have low crit
jovial wharf
Yee, I feel ya.
candid jasper
Sorry if this has been asked but why nightstalker instead of subterfuge? The first opener from stealth is garrote so 50% vs 125% damage, subterfuge wins. You then get a vanish and get one or two 50% extra damage ruptures or envenoms. Is it really that much better?
I guess maybe if you're a night elf it's going to pay off?
viscid helm
lost horizon
@candid jasper when using shoulders, applying garrote during mantle window is a waste, since you're guaranteed mut crits for 4cp
Subterfuge you'd have to garrote, NS you can make better use by just envenom-mut spamming
spare cloud
???
It's simply, envenom does more base damage when it's a guaranteed crit, so you use nightstalker because the 50% buff on envenom outweighs 125% on garotte
lost horizon
Yeah that's why you envenom over rupture when using shoulders w/NS
spare cloud
for example: lets say garotte does 100 damage. then it would do 225 damage with the buff. Now lets say envenom does 200 damage then it would do 300 damage with NS
lost horizon
To fit the dmg within crit window, but you're also wasting CP just by having to garrote in mantle window
spare cloud
not 100% true also
APL does Rupture after vanish in some cases
even with shoulders
It's not the cp waste youre having, it's more that if you were to garotte you would lose a last envenom cast inside of the mantle window
so it's not a guaranteed crit
also the damage is just simply less
steep obsidian
when does the apl actually vanish rupture with shoulders?
spare cloud
I think it's during vendetta, when it's exactly on pandemic timer
So max pandemic window
not 100% sure though
Zempai knows this
spare cloud
What?
candid jasper
MerlinMcLean (Squawkk) - Today at 5:43 PM
@edizio when using shoulders, applying garrote during mantle window is a waste, since you're guaranteed mut crits for 4cp
are you talking about opener or when you cast vanish?
as a general guide its right?
lost horizon
Opener you garrote first
steep obsidian
the apl does shit that isnt in the guide too
like waste energy with vendetta
in the opener
lost horizon
What you quoted is in the context of vanishing after
candid jasper
OK cool
spare cloud
What else are you supposed to use in your first opener
You cant rupture or envenom without combopoints
steep obsidian
mutilate for the cp!
candid jasper
since you're guaranteed mut crits for 4cp
I am just questioning what was replied ๐
spare cloud
Don't be xaethron and do that
heavy plover
gr8 name
steep obsidian
i actually found myself levelling on beta opening with mut because mobs lived like 3 secs
candid jasper
I've no idea who xaethron is, I mean no disrespect
spare cloud
I mean to disrespect him
steep obsidian
same
spare cloud
You don't want to be him under ANY circumstances.
steep obsidian
guide is just that a guide there are lots of little min maxy things you can do in certain situations which it can't cover and most people wouldnt think to pull off anyway
like some dude make a pk relic build for dungens but got it to sim really well for st and he uses fok at 4cp none of that in the guide
spare cloud
Learn the basics then think about more advanced stuff
steep obsidian
yep
echo estuary
Its not his name that is the genius part, its the title
red flume
bruh.. 15sec cd on feint on beta... what do i spam to be cool now
vestal wren
detection
marble hemlock
steep obsidian
i rememeber when feint on ud fem made a flippy jump but they wrecked it with the new anims ๐ฆ
unlimited flippy jumps op
vestal wren
oh wait didnt they remove detection also
marble hemlock
hope not
steep obsidian
im pretty sure you can still get the glyph of detection to learn the spell
safe matrix
If you feint as a NE and jump, you get the spin and flip
vestal wren
ye maybe
steep obsidian
you have to use the spell to get the bag of coins toy thing from ravenholdt
bitter coyote
hey is it still better to use FoK on 2 targets even if im wearing the ravenholdt ring
spare cloud
twin meadow
strange python
34% crit 15% haste 141% mastery. Are these good stats, i'm yet to get 2p or 4p which i assume will change my weights significantly but as a base are they decent?
spare cloud
No they are not
strange python
rip
spare cloud
Even if they were good what would it change
rather focus on learning the class ๐คท
more important than stats you're gonna change pretty much every minute anyways
strange python
TBH you have a point
wanted to make sure i was heading in the right direction though
marble hemlock
mantle+insignia nightstalker mut?
vapid moth
hell yeah seliathan
woeful carbon
is rupture's DoT not affected by Nightstalker?
vapid moth
it is
woeful carbon
more damage from a NS envenom then?
vapid moth
depends on whether you are using shoulder or not
well actually no. depends on if the envenom crits
vapid moth
yeah. envenom would be stronger
high mist
is it unusual that my vendetta boots sim higher than my wrists? with mantle in assa
vapid moth
nope. depends on off pieces
high mist
should i be using them then in that case? my gear isnt really tuned to assa thats the thing
high mist
hmm ok
woeful carbon
lol that made my opener like double in dps
high mist
its only about a 20k difference, thats why im asking the question
vapid moth
20k is a lot
woeful carbon
thanks for the tip Xae
high mist
well my switch out is 970 wrists in for the leggo and 945 boots out for the vendetta leggo
guessing thats the 20k
or part of it
vapid moth
yup. your wrist are high which devalues the wrist leggo
naive cypress
We still use shoudlers and wrists on Kin'Ga ?
drifting cloud
vapid moth
yes you can. probably wont pull as muhc damage as easily as shoulder boots though
steep obsidian
huh?
@naive cypress in the end its your call, you will do more add damage by using bracers and holding vendetta but less boss damage then with boots and getting an extra vend on the boss in between
fervent beacon
boots/bracers are ideal for kin'g. Vend uptime on add/boss. Bracers help push the execute phase for them as well
However your vanish will line up with adds everytime so its your call.
woeful carbon
@vapid moth the more i think of the NS thing the dumber i feel for not noticing myself pretty simple math once you think about it
steep obsidian
top logs all use shoulders coz a pb on the add is insane
shoulders boots worked well for me in the past never actually tried to play boots bracers on that fiht
vapid moth
NS is so simple to use and much more enjoyable than subterfuge
naive cypress
I dont have 2p t20 so i will try boots/shoulders instead of boots/bracers
And i dont have a shoulder alternative
steep obsidian
in the end like i said depends if its still prog for you or if ya just want to fish more maximum damage for parses
although i don't think any guild really struggled for boss damage on kinga prog
steep obsidian
gratz
tall umbra
guys, who can give me a macros for poison bomb?
viscid helm
supple hearth
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supple hearth
TFW u become pbparsegodx but cause the tank to die because he stood in the fire for ur pb
solid nova
Worth.
safe matrix
Keep the mobs in sanguine pools so I can feel good about myself for 5 seconds pls
supple hearth
@tall umbra if you're in a scenario where it's actually important for the tank to know not to move then you are in voice with them and can call it out. If you are not in that scenario then a /s for pb is actually not necessary at all.
solid nova
Hello Mr tank, I'm an assasinastion rogue. Please keep mobs as stationary as possible for my pb, thanks
supple hearth
It's annoying and selfish and not recommended at all.
tall umbra
not all tanks are adequate ๐
supple hearth
Imagine being THAT charismatic to actually get an entire pug raid to play around your rng proc though....
solid nova
No but the tank should at least be able to acknowledge there's a sin rogue in the group and stack when possible
plain thistle
I really dont understand why a lot of guys here think a simple /say WA is annoying ๐ค
solid nova
Otherwise you're just gimping yourself
plain thistle
not talking just about poison bomb
safe matrix
I hate when people macro a /say into cds
It may be funny once
But then it's just annoying
plain thistle
like for mythic argus, we have 2-3 guys with a WA/addon that calls cone of death, and everyone(almost) have a WA that call fear+ other mechanic with a count down.
solid nova
And generally you'll be stacking anyway on pulls so it's not a difficult thing to ask
plain thistle
but why? you pay that much attention to the chat? or what?
solid nova
Don't have any macros for pb etc
They're obnoxious
Just play with people who understand the classes in the group
plain thistle
if you want to use it, and you thinks it will help, just use it. I play with a carry group selling mythic plus and the tank already stated to me that that WA helps him sometimes, and no one, in more than 1 year complained about it. ๐คท
solid nova
Personal preference ๐คท
plain thistle
yup, I just dont understand all the hate, if the guy want it, just fucking use it. if someone in his group complain about it, thats his problem ๐คท
supple hearth
@plain thistle it's like those people who use /role play things with every ability. It's just annoying. And for the pb proc it's very selfish to expect the tank to pay attention to and respond to your proc
solid nova
??
If the group isn't playing with pb in mind then you're fucking the overall damage
It's not selfish when it benefits the entire group at all
plain thistle
but it works ๐คท , you cant expect that every tank in the games move the adds ONLY when its necessary, I have experience with the WA and with the tank in my group and he says it help sometimes
one thing I can say, its WAY WAY less annoying than calling of in voice chat that you have poison bomb down
solid nova
Saying it's selfish for teams to play around certain classes is ridiculous
plain thistle
but my group is a selling group, so my poison bomb damage is necessary because we are playing with 1 less dps
but you cant expect that the tank will not move the adds just because you have a /say poison bomb too, sometimes they have to move the adds and your little poison bomb will not change that fact ๐
solid nova
Well you have to factor in common sense as well
supple hearth
@plain thistle if that is something in your specific core consistent group then I get that. But when I see rogues using it in pug m+ and lfg raid groups and stuff like that? Personally I hate it.
plain thistle
for raids I agree
solid nova
For raids it's totally useless
spare cloud
I'm swaggin
nocturne gate
have someone tips for aggramar mythic ? should i use my cds on the big adds or should i save dem?
jovial kite
depends on if your guild has enough damage on the adds
on progress it might be better to save them for the adds
plain thistle
yeah, for my raid I can use vendetta x2 on phase 1
and just KB+TB for the first intermission
nocturne gate
but u play with boots then or ?
jovial kite
well i play exsang ๐คท๐ฟ
plain thistle
and for the second now with the 35% intermission nerf, only TB+KB for the second too
I play with boots+bracer, yes
jovial kite
i get 2x vendetta on p1 and i get vendetta on the add too
calm grail
Slagg can you do some real speculative feelycraft for me.
calm grail
It's going to be largely pointless, but I was thinking about it earlier.. assuming the current beta talents got locked in. What legendaries would you level with for the most luls until they get muted.
little frigate
guys do i suck if raid bots sais i should do 1.3 mil but i only do 1.2 on st?
jovial kite
shoulders and wrist / cloak
plain thistle
no, because simc tells you the avg dps, not the dps you should do every single pull
little frigate
ah, thanks
calm grail
Shoulders are gonna make leveling pretty goofy for us.
little frigate
and do y ou guys have any idea why poison bomb is still random as fuck?
what are these blizzidiots thinking? :/
calm grail
Nothing's changed with PB.
little frigate
i come back thinking 'well, they MUSTVE changed the randomness of pb by now'
but no
solid nova
It's a chance per combo point to change, of course it won't be sonsistant
little frigate
anyone know if it's still like that on bfa beta?
plain thistle
well, every class have RNG, not a new concept to wow
supple hearth
Its reduced damage but procs more often
little frigate
yeah but this rng is ridiculous imo
plain thistle
and every class NEED rng, or the gameplay will be boring as fuck
little frigate
especially its our only hard hitting aoe
little frigate
maybe im just bad
red flume
ct looked good on beta
solid nova
Ct op
little frigate
ct?
solid nova
Gonna be nerfed
red flume
crimson tempest
little frigate
ah they removed poison bomb?
red flume
no mad eit a talent
supple hearth
No lol
calm grail
No.
little frigate
as now
solid nova
Please read the patch notes
supple hearth
http://bfa.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination
@little frigate you're welcome
little frigate
thanks giggly
supple hearth
Compare pb tooltip there to current tooltip and you'll see the change made
naive cypress
Should i do Sub on vari?
solid nova
What
eager kernel
no
calm grail
What could go wrong with sub
solid nova
It's an st fight
calm grail
๐
calm grail
One of our Warriors the other day very gracefully left onto Imonars mines on the bridge which led to a graceful series of pinballing into other mines.
Leapt*
solid nova
You mean the adds that'll be dead 2 seconds after swapping to them
Legit i don't even swap
They die too fast
calm grail
Even the potato ranged in my raid kill them before it's even worth swapping for me
naive cypress
Ok, cool
solid nova
First pulls tonight?
calm grail
Prepare to be the shadowstep bitch
solid nova
They've got such a small hp pool just natural cleave sorts them
naive cypress
Yeah
solid nova
My add damage is from poison bomb 
calm grail
I guess you could technically mutilate them.
If they are up and you are close enough
And all the other conditions apply
solid nova
@naive cypress It's a pretty easy fight, goodluck fam
calm grail
It's a nice progression fight in the sense that if you fuck it up, it's over quickly.
If you do it right it's super short.
naive cypress
Yeah, i hate that on imonar. Takes forever if you keep wiping on 4th platform
naive cypress
Feelsbadman
heavy plover
"Advanced Combat Logging is not enabled. Combat Replay will be non-functional. This log will also be ineligible for rankings." Can anyone explain this?
Does it mean logs won't update?
safe matrix
You need to go into your advanced wow settings and enable advanced combat logging
heavy plover
why though, logging has been fine up until now
safe matrix
Basically if you don't have it enabled your log doesn't have all the information
And is considered invalid
Maybe it rechecked itself after an update
heavy plover
so that means the log i just beat won't update now?
safe matrix
Yep
heavy plover
the box on wow, or the combatlog app?
can't i upload the log so it updates or is it just useless?
safe matrix
On wow
It's useless
Well, it'll still have a lot of information in it
It just won't update your parses or be eligible for rankings
safe matrix
I don't remember, Warcraft logs has a guide
I'm on mobile so I can't check right now
heavy plover
ok i've enabled it, is that it?
safe matrix
System settings, network tab
heavy plover
yeye i ticked it and clicked apply, is that it?
safe matrix
I mean if you've never enabled advanced combat logging none of your logs have counted
safe matrix
Someone else could have been logging possibly
heavy plover
I mean i clicked on my updated log, and it was under the name i made
i probably found a way to fuck something up
i always do
safe matrix
It gets uploaded, it just doesn't affect your parses or rankings
heavy plover
so it's only said this now, because i beat a current log?
rain urchin
better luck next week
safe matrix
Well, it could still update if someone else in the group was logging
rain urchin
a question for those that've downed M Aggramar - my vanish and vendetta come off CD when the second add phase starts, I've been blowing them on one of the large adds for the raids benefit, is that going to severely cuck my damage or can I expect to get another vanish in by the time the boss dies?
doubt we'll be spending 2 minutes in execute, but I want to help us get out of that phase asap
turbid harbor
you will get another vanish
rain urchin
ok, cool
I'll probably need to see how it works out with my guild's dps, but that's kinda reassuring
I guess the question now is whether I hold to get 2 vanishes during execute or not, but idk if there's really a case for that outside of parse whoring
turbid harbor
just kill the boss
if your guild needs the ads to die faster, and the intermission is a problem, definitely vanish on the ad
rain urchin
yeah
lethal heart
@turbid harbor why are you calling my guild's name ๐
eager cobalt
Why Toxic Blade before Kingsbane?
surreal lodge
toxic blade increases the poison damage taken by the target so its making kinsbane do more damage
also
dire spoke
๐
void pecan
plain thistle
surreal lodge
lapis torrent
is it worth getting 2set from tos
lapis torrent
also was wondering how long i should be letting envenom tic for before refreshing it with 4-5 combo points
lost horizon
@vapid moth it shows your bags ilvl in group finder anyway, don't have to equip it all
lapis torrent
so just have high up time on it unless kingsbane is up where i basically just spam refresh envenom?
lost horizon
During KB you just don't want to drop it
So you space it out and envenom within its pandemic
lapis torrent
ah okay
ive been pretty much refreshing envenom as soon as i get 5 combo points every time haha
lost horizon
You want to space things out
Only time you're ever really spamming is mantle window
And maybe to fit an extra within a TB or something
lapis torrent
ya i dont even have my leggos sorted yet, pretty new character and first time playing rogue so this is pretty helpful
still need both of my bis leggos
eager cobalt
I got the Ravenholdt ring for my first leggo on my sin rogue ๐ฆ
spare cloud
Insignia is good ๐คท
lapis torrent
anyone else forget to apply their poison's all the time? lol
lapis torrent
im using ipse's wa but i dont really like it and it doesnt have the poisons on it. any recommendations for a better one?
void pecan
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
spare cloud
Making your own will bring best results most of the time
However notters was are pretty good for beginners
Dunno if theres a poison off wa in there though
dark lantern
What legendaries do you all prefer for Kin'garoth? I'm not sure I'm getting the full value out of the bracers with how much damage is done to bots and how little health they have. Been debating running the shoulders+boots, which should let me have a vendetta on kin in between each add spawn in addition a vendetta at the start of each add spawn
surreal lodge
i use afenar's weakauras although i eddited his bota tracker and replaced it with an envenom tracker
i used ipse's before also
lapis torrent
notters looks good in the screenshots but its all seperated on wago?
vapid moth
@dark lantern everyone uses shoulder boots lol
plain thistle
or bracer+boots ๐
vapid moth
never heard of anyone using bracer boot
dark lantern
I figured shoulder boots would be best...I hadn't looked too hard into it before and WarcraftLogs just shows 99% of top parses being shoulder bracers, but top parses on warcraftlogs is pretty much "who won the poison bombs procs" game and not really a good gauge I think lol
plain thistle
@vapid moth I do, for every boss, expect immonar
and others too, even for poison build
to use with T20 2p
safe matrix
Bracers/mantle is a gamblers build
It has higher highs cause of mantle windows and poison bomb luck
hazy iron
I use head and shoulders, used to use ravenholdt and shoulders until ingot a decent crit mastery ring
safe matrix
That's why it's more common in parses
hazy iron
Head sims about 4k higher than bracers for me
honest pelican
do i want to just wear wrists/mantle permanently? i just got wrists, had given up on trying to get anything else since i had will -> mantle -> crown figured ide got lucky and so many more leggos
jsut got bracers off some random argus rare
honest pelican
thats what i use now, i just dont know how good the execute on bleed/poison effect is
safe matrix
Mantle/bracers is really good
honest pelican
930 wrists, but i have a 965 helm to replace my crown
vapid moth
then there you go
honest pelican
crit/haste helm, but its whatever
hazy iron
Eh
honest pelican
i lose about 2% crit, 3% mastery swapping
ill play around with them, im sure i can find some fights where they are better, i do like the energy gain from crown tho
vapid moth
you sim for 1.5 mill? just raid more
honest pelican
yeah i dont have good trinkets
6 pantheon blessings waiting
using relinq trinkets with versa/stat stick pretty much
952 ilvl
only 2pc, havent been able to get 4pc since i have a 985 drape of shame and was wearing the leggo crown
dark lantern
That's the only reason I don't like using the crown leggo. Same slot as the only tier piece that gives crit/mastery
honest pelican
yea ive got a 960 chest thats crappy crit/haste, so eventually maybe i can replace it with tier, get tier helm for 4pc
vapid moth
when you tell your guild to sim their shit and everyone ignores you
hazy iron
@dark lantern yeah, that's the only reason Crown sims so high for me, because I'm replacing a 945 tier head.. once I get the mythic head, wrists will outsim my crown by a substatial amount
dapper mango
So, is Sub or Ass better now?
exotic glen
i think ass is the best part of a girl
vocal talon
I see you are also a man of refined tastes.
supple hearth
@dapper mango depends on the scenario
humble crane
coming home to dead guild after an overseas holiday...feels bad
vapid moth
Lmao I feel you on that one
humble crane
Bit weak, they did 1 week of argus attempts and then imploded
vapid moth
Mythic Argus?
humble crane
Yeah
vapid moth
Rip
humble crane
Ah well, guess I just play beta till launch. I just started a trial with these guys, idk if I cbf looking for a new guild again.
exotic glen
rip
vapid moth
Iโd look for something new.whats gonna bring them back for BfA
exotic glen
yeah might be a good idea to finish your trial before bfa
cursive hatch
Man, looking for guilds right now blows
Ive filled out like 10 applications since thursday
humble crane
Its just shit tbh, was happy with the trial too. Coming back from an overseas wedding for 5 days, its just a shit feeling to have to look for a new guild.
cursive hatch
not to mention the 20+ people that I've contacted or have contacted me
humble crane
There are guilds imploding all over the place too. Its like a minefield out there lol
kindred sedge
Just have to find a guild that needs a rogue
My guild has like zero melee and no rogues
vapid moth
Is your guild doingargus?
cursive hatch
guilds dont really need rogues right now
kindred sedge
We killed argus
cursive hatch
and its hard to find ones that do that also work for my schedule
humble crane
Im on Frostmourne-US. There are so many guilds dieing on it.
exotic glen
i fucking hate every cycle that comes once an expac when everyone just rolls a rogue
kindred sedge
Would have loved to have a rogue for prog. Made it harder on my soaking orbs
cursive hatch
I have a couple offers, but waiting on the guilds that I would prefer to join to get back to me
vapid moth
I woulda done it
exotic glen
makes me not feel special and it deflates my monster ego
humble crane
I had a feeling this new guild I joined was going to die though if im being honest. They killed agg 1 time, and had both their tanks leave and 3 of their dps. I went in with them and we got it back down to 40% after 5 attempts with 6 new trials, but they called the night early..., and that was the day before I left to go overseas last week.
kindred sedge
We took a short break. Next week we start reclearing again
cursive hatch
I have offers from Capitally and Notion, but idk if I want to do 4 day raiding again
exotic glen
imo its a bit like a job application to some extent
always be on the lookout for potential new guilds you could join
vapid moth
What days do you raid @kindred sedge
kindred sedge
Notion only raids 2 days
exotic glen
even if you are happy where you are
cursive hatch
Yeah, but they weren't top 100 us, which was what I was originally looking at
but 2 days is fucking nice if I can clear the content
kindred sedge
Tuesday, Wednesday and Monday. Do heroic sometimes on Thursday.
vapid moth
4 days is too damn much
kindred sedge
We raid late night tho. 12-3:30am est
vapid moth
Goddamn
exotic glen
lmao what
kindred sedge
Most are west coast ppl
vapid moth
West coast always gotta fuck my shit up
cursive hatch
my available hours are 8pm CST - 1 am CST. So many guilds that start before that though
vapid moth
Iโd love starting at 7 and being done by 10
vapid moth
I must look then
cursive hatch
Yeah, thats a common time
way too early for me though
thats why finding guilds that even work for me is hard
kindred sedge
Yeah I canโt raid that early either
fervent beacon
I raid at 730-1030
but been benched for like 2 months
one of the top geared dps too
exotic glen
๐ค
mossy olive
Almost done with M-Aggra. ;| Somehow still going on strong.
exotic glen
at least hes nerfed now
cursive hatch
can zerg the last phase, don't need to 4 tank like we did
exotic glen
4tank lmao
strange python
benched for 2 months buddy they dont even know you're part of the guild anymore
exotic glen
knew a guy who was permabenched until he left
strange python
oof yeah i have a guy i run m+ with who has been on the bench for 300 pulls of m argus but they still make him show up
cba at that point, with good parses and 10/11 kills too many guilds looking for people
exotic glen
i think its just because our officers have a hard time actually removing someone from the raidteam
it was clear he wasnt getting any more raidtime
so they just waited for him to leave
strange python
oof that sucks tho for both of em
i was an officer in a mid tier mythic guild earlier in the expac and i get that though, it always sucks (especially on a low pop realm) to let someone go
because youll be fighting roster boss next week
exotic glen
yeah just sucks because both parties will be leaving on bad terms
steep obsidian
I donโt get guilds who donโt constantly rotate plAyers through if someone is too crap just let them know
vapid moth
Better than having to stay on a shitty team and following their shitty ideas cause you morally arenโt a shitty person who just leaves everything behind and goes ๐
steep obsidian
I also. Think players who take it as a personal affront when they might have to sit a few bosses are dumb
Itโs the end of the world for some apparently
strange python
ive been trying to sit every eonar since prog
strange python
truth
steep obsidian
I always volunteered to sit on bosses I didnโt need stuff from or when everything was on farm
Farm is boring as shit
strange python
i dont mind sitting on some bosses, but there are some that are just fun bosses i like to kill
kin'g for example
i hope i never sit , boss is fun and fluid
exotic glen
and has bis loot
vapid moth
Farm is great. Until you're killing the same boss for the 20th fucking week and still have people saying "I need that___" but somehow not increasing their dps after they get it ๐๐
exotic glen
yeah because every single item you get is an instant dps increase every pull
vapid moth
That's not what i meant but ok
strange python
all trolls aside though no point being in a 2-3/llM guild
exotic glen
its what you wrote
vapid moth
No its not
I'm saying they always need loot but with all the loot they get they never increase their dps
steep obsidian
I just get way to annoyed on farm at people trying to pad and wipe the raid
strange python
yeah thats true
vapid moth
Padding is fun though but yeah I get it
strange python
our guild doesnt have a big parse culture
steep obsidian
My idea of fun farm is to just get it done ASAP
strange python
has made it much more bearable to pad just perfecting the encounter rather than padding
vapid moth
Have a specific dps each week get a chance to pay logs and its not an issur
steep obsidian
The last guild u was in had idiots stressing about parses on fucking prog
vapid moth
Lmao awesome
steep obsidian
Doing dumb shit like killling adds too fast 100 pulls in
Dancing across the line on sisters giving us 10 stacks coz you just blindly follow boss
exotic glen
without parsing, farm would be much more boring lol
if you wipe when people try to parse, you obviously havent learnt the fight at all
unless doing counterproductive things to boost dps of course
vapid moth
The game should add something to the game for guilds just farming bosses. How nice would it be to get a guild reward for killing a boss x number of times
exotic glen
i literally wouldnt care lol
strange python
thats what i meant though. like we're not going out of our way to game the mechanics to parse, just do the strat kill the boss o shit look a 99
steep obsidian
When you canโt parse because selfish wangs wonโt do their jobs properly and you gotta cover for them or wipe all night itโs not fun
Thatโs just a shitty guild issue and bad leadership though
vapid moth
Scold those fuckers
exotic glen
how many bosses is that even possible to do that on
most boss mechanics is not something that you can solo or even handle at all as a rogue
strange python
PK comes to mind, imonar maybe
vapid moth
Rogues are really the backbone of guilds
exotic glen
lmao
strange python
biggest pet peeve of mine is just dps with frontloaded damage who wont swap targets so i have to
exotic glen
how full of yourself you are
strange python
we've seen his logs, ๐ค
vapid moth
I don't get it. You'd think by now people would start hating on what are very obviously jokes :/
exotic glen
"very obviously jokes" when you in no way at all framed it as a joke
it wasnt even funny
steep obsidian
I wasnโt really commenting about this tier it was very noticeable in nh and tos who the selfish padding idiots were
vapid moth
Oh. I'll try harder next time
exotic glen
saying all rogues are the backbone of a guild is just arrogant
strange python
yeah sabod this tier felt really cohesive, not a lot of i can save the day mechs
exotic glen
what have i said that you disagree with?
im not trying to make myself into something bigger than i am
steep obsidian
Yay I got a 100% parse on krosus on my mm hunter and did 0 soaks 0 interrupts 0 add damage
vapid moth
Fine whatever. I'm arrogant. Moving on
strange python
its a patchwerk fight hehexd
steep obsidian
We wiped 10 times on farm for me to get it but 100% bro
strange python
played spriest then, smooth sailing because we were pretty good and comfy ranged raidspot
steep obsidian
Our ranged were too shit to place shit on one area then Iโd get bitched at for not being able to clear all the seeds on botanist
Canโt interrupt spell blade dps loss must tunnel for parse
vapid moth
I can't relate to any pre Argus stories :/
steep obsidian
Sorry Iโll shut up
exotic glen
star augur was bis fight
vapid moth
The pain and suffering I've missed out on
strange python
easily my fave fight this expac
exotic glen
we laughed a lot on augur compared to all other bosses
strange python
aesthetically it was nice, mechs werent bad, retard check , and it made your ass clench a lot
steep obsidian
Star augur was good the movement we did on botanist made me hate ir
vapid moth
Which raid was best?
exotic glen
nighthold 100%
steep obsidian
Literally covering for garbage rangwd
strange python
yeah no botanist was fun if you had a good group
otherwise it went to shit quickly
nighthold was the best raid this expac 100%
id assume most people would agree
i also really liked ToV but i think thats a not so popular opinion
exotic glen
i didnt like botanist because of agonizing poison back then tho
sucked ass to keep track of
steep obsidian
I liked guldan
vapid moth
Tov is too small to be considered
strange python
i really liked helya :L
vapid moth
I still gotta do mythic for the set and title
strange python
it was very hard dont get me wrong
strange python
i just liked being shadow, they were still op
strange python
i enjoyed it, multidotting tentacles, etc etc just felt fun
i remember heroic helya being harder than m xavius tho lmfaoo
strange python
im more proud of my aotc helya than i am ce xavius
strange python
until you could just burn him
steep obsidian
I got ce helya server first it felt pretty good
strange python
guild was like 2 days prog behind server first all expac
steep obsidian
I liked the fight toi
strange python
helya was a cool fight no doubt
exotic glen
just killing helya was incredible