talking about "i dont wanna be here all day cause people dont know how"
#assassination
vapid moth
steep obsidian
Yeh I watched my Druid friend walk past the same mop 4 x in that first brh pack and it detected him 3 it feels like as a rogue I’d have to walk over the top of the mobs to get seen
He did same thing every time and he’s not a noob
Probably just do the death run meh
vapid moth
or invis
vapid moth
well im hungry. ttyl
steep obsidian
I think part of the issue is that not everyone understands how stealth works they think it’s like an invis pot
hazy iron
Yeah still need to avoid that aggro radius
We o ly ever have trouble on teeming weeks, so the others deathrun and the healer shadowmelds at the top and rezzes
civic palm
_>
copper wigeon
What's a good burst rotation for pvp?
viscid helm
Poison bomb
alpine grotto
Poison bomb is rng but was looking at Warcraft logs ,and some rogues every week consistently getting loads off poison bombs on some bosses but I never get that amount . So does anything we have effect the amount of pb s we get?
viscid helm
You literally just said yourself that its rng
stark heart
it's flat chance rng, you can't control it in any way
prisma gull
More combo points spent more chance of pbs, that's it.
still pewter
How do I apply poisons
I've been playing bleed build and I dont know how to apply them now I play poisons
zealous dew
lul
shrewd night
I guess there is a job opening at the frier. Cant go wrong with that.
wise frigate
🎣
zealous dew
anyway dont bother using them, they're worth only 1.1k dps
stark heart
I think it's a troll
shrewd night
I was looking forwards to getting someone to man the frier
prisma gull
I mean.. would you not still use poison on bleed build?
zealous dew
dps loss, only 1.1k dps
prisma gull
But I know tacts so I can just do it
zealous dew
shrewd night
strange python
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
prime void
What the fuck did I just scroll through...
zealous dew
😄
digital berry
Returning Player playing rouge, looking for opinions on Poison over bleed builds? Left During Tier 1 raid now back! Played Poison seems a bit off at the moment, hows bleed looking?
zealous dew
probably on
digital berry
Wut?
shrewd night
Bleed is good, but is VERY geardependant
zealous dew
poison off, bleed on
shrewd night
If you stopped in t1, you might as well just go poison kek
digital berry
How gear dependant like stats or we talking set bonus, I have the setup for Poison but the RNG is bad, I am never lucky. Rather not be that guys at top DPS mainly due to the code swinging its random number gen at me.
shrewd night
Might as well not play then, all classes has RNG.
digital berry
Damn it, thought I left BDO guess I didnt.
zealous dew
is this a candid camera ?
digital berry
No srsly! Ive been running assassination for so long I am conditioned to see a green puddle, no puddle = no life.
digital berry
Wait, I meant T1 raids for legion sorry, wrong use of words there! I left during Nightmare raid.
solid nova
So you left in T19.
shrewd night
There are things you can do to lower the importance of PB, but you are so far behind now those arent options for you.
digital berry
@solid nova TY
solid nova
Tiers dont reset with new expansions
digital berry
@shrewd night I mean my guild is ok dragging my ass through Normal ATBT? would that help?
dire spoke
You will likely play poison as it's easy to gear because bleed requires strict high stats and the correct relic / lego / tier pieces
solid nova
I mean at this point theres only so much you can expect from the tier
Its a few months till BFA
digital berry
@dire spoke TY so bleed is gear dependant on Lego's and relic of which I have neither, tier pieces are work in progress.
dire spoke
check, read and understand pinned messages in this discord and come back with logs in 2 weeks
and you'll be gud
digital berry
Aye, TY, ill stick with Poison for the time being then. Maybe get some luck with gear!
shrewd night
ded channel
solid nova
ded spec
shrewd night
ded game
midnight latch
no
sharp viper
damn next level
prisma gull
And you'll be a dps god among plebs
sharp viper
gotta drop by a factor of 10 to have more progress
or you could hop around after clearing everything to join a fresh guild
midnight latch
dps god among plebs more like gandalf the grey based on the color on those numbers
shrewd night
Checked potential competition in a guild if shit hits the fan in my current one
Saw grayparses from council onwards all the way up to aggramar on a 970 rogue
Dont think I have to worry if shit hits the fan
marble hemlock
i always wondered how many grey/green logs are just people who died during the kill
lunar berry
@plain thistle ok, that explains it. thx for the info!
shrewd night
I checked to be sure Selia
There werent any
Over several weeks
All alive and well
marble hemlock
yeah, just saying that when youre doing like a 35% parse
doesnt mean theres 34% people who did worse dps than you, you might be the worstp layer ever and the others all just died for some reason which is why their parse was worse (dying as a rogue is a criminal offense anyway)
shrewd night
I guess -some- parses can be explained with shitters dying and sabotaging kill timer
But grayparses week after week gives me a full on tilt
especially when you're a 10/11 guild
marble hemlock
yeah, definitely
im mostly talking about grey logs that are a result of people dying at like 40% bosshp and no CR available while they still kill the boss in the end, thus leading to a horrible parse
imagine being worse than that even when youre alive 100% of the fight
yikes
im just wondering how many of the grey/green parses are a result of people just dying early but their guild still managed to kill the boss
shrewd night
I think that depends a little on progress too, its way harder to get a gray parse for earlier bosses than it is for later ones. Or is it easier....
quick ice
more bads means you have to be bad-er
prisma gull
Had a feral druid in my raid once, was alive til the end (wipe) 450k~ dps. Didn't understand why we kicked him. We had basically carried him through the entire thing lol
His ilevel was like 940~
solid nova
Shit players are shit
Less mechanically capable players will always under perform*
shrewd night
Can consistently beat that dps on my shaman of equal gear
🤔
And I work at mcdonards
So what does that say about him
shrewd night
I make some mean cheeseburgers tho
high mist
For raiding, do people tend to use bleed build or poison build? I tried out Assa the other day on poison build and i couldnt hold the damage
high mist
i mean, my gear isn't tuned at all for assa, its all sub
no i was just testing on a dummy - couldnt risk it in a raid (would only be normal/heroic antorus tho)
shrewd night
I mean
solid nova
A bit difficult to see why you wouldnt hold damage without log analysis as you could be rotationally incorrect
high mist
most likely am
solid nova
Have you got any similar logs or is it just feelcraft atm?
high mist
no logs at all unfortunately mate
solid nova
Fair enough, well bit difficult to point out the error without. If you can get a few kills logged i can have a browse into them for you to give you a comparison.
Until then there's not really much that can help tbh
dire spoke
Use simulated numbers to figure out if you're doing good in a spec on patchwerk-ish bosses
high mist
because my gear is so tuned to sub, i have 22% vers and 146% mastery in Assa spec with 29% crit
solid nova
Simulations should give you a benchmark but again, logs for a comparison are going to give you a solid answer for where you're not up to scratch
And those stats are more than capable tbh
dire spoke
Use simulated numbers to figure out if your sin+sub gear already out-dps'es the actual spec
high mist
But will those logs help me with what build to play? Or am I missing the point it so apologies
dire spoke
logs will provide you errors in your play if you're doing less than sim dps
heavy trail
Hey there. I am only 915 atm but wanting to improve primarily in M+. I currently could use pryduz, march ring, symbiote belt, wrists and will of vajeera legs. Generally I am in large packs using the aoe ability and trying ot get better at applying rupture to targets and using subterfage to do get garrotes up on as many out of stealth. If it's only a few adds I can mut and then rupture instead. Does this sound about right?
Also for instance on Helya in Maw of souls, any tips to maximize assassin dps. Like should I focus on one tent a a time or try to work the boat and get as much crap up as possible.
dire spoke
yes
heavy trail
I think so yeah
high mist
@dire spoke @solid nova so..wanna hear something funny?
dire spoke
shrewd night
heavy trail
But was wondering what would be better to focus one or to try to run around andget ruptureson all of them
high mist
basically, i didn't have poisons on...so my dps kept dropping below 1m XD
cos im stupid
solid nova
I agree.
high mist
😄
shrewd night
Im just going to let the silence sink in
solid nova
@heavy trail If the tents wont live long enough for the rupture to fully tick then its not worth rupturing them all is it? You also want to weave your envenoms for uptime.
So depends entirely on the key level and affixes as to if you do that
So need to use your noggin
heavy trail
True fair enough. I just started on my rogue as assassin pretty much only ever played sub
solid nova
That's alright fam, gotta start from somewhere.
heavy trail
Just a bit sad ran all of LFR and didn't get one tier piece lol.
warm parcel
Big ass dp wa for that reason 
solid nova
Might end up running HC and getting all your tier - just pray to rng and you'll be alright
I've also got a poison WA that sounds a fog horn and message with "Put your poisons on idiot"
dire spoke
richard's says APPLY YER POISANS YOU FOKIN WHANKA
warm parcel
I have a gigantic "retard" in red
solid nova
It happens to the best of us
heavy trail
I got someone to take me at 905 for a normal argus / agg run though most groups won't touch that low level. My guilds are all on kinda end of expansion leave so have to pug it
Oh yeah I created a WA for that also haha 😃 big green one
solid nova
Realistically, do what you can for legion but you should set your goals for bfa imo
dire spoke
yeah why put effort in doing other raids first, better get carried 
heavy trail
Well I still did decent dps didn't seem like a carry in that I was horrible. I have done those fights on my alts so it helped a bit.
dire spoke
if you did decent, the rest was horrible
thin sleet
Rn stuff to do is legion flying, arcanist mount, mt and m15
Maybe fishing artifact if you hate fun
heavy trail
Was right around Sim DPS on ST so not worried too much about it 😃
shrewd night
Sometimes I like checking warcraftlogs and hitting the LFR tab. Not only to see which shitter is attempting to rank in LFR. But also how far into the log he stops because hes getting shit on.
solid nova
At that gear level and this late into the expansion you'll be behind for a long time if not the remainder of Legion.
thin sleet
Aotc/ce and m guldan if youre into those too
Stuff thats going away or gets hard to do/find people for
Oh also The Chosen
dire spoke
I still haven't Don Jose
shrewd night
dire spoke
shrewd night
I havent Don Jose either
stark heart
@warm parcel you should make it load always
warm parcel
echo estuary
I haven't had Don Jose either, sounds like mexican cuisine
fallow estuary
Need APL Help ❤ I'm afraid im to stupid to read it correctly even tho it should be easy
fan_of_knives,if=combo_points>=3+talent.deeper_stratagem.enabled&artifact.poison_knives.rank>=5|fok_rotation
- in my understanding this means that the APL only Foks if you take DS - is that wrong?
gaunt moat
lorentz answered you in #tc-research
dire spoke
you need to learn a little patience and not multipost, please
fallow estuary
Oh - didnt see that ❤
spark pond
Guys, I got a 945 Void's contract yesterday...Is it any good at M+ AoE fights? or what trinket should I use?
heavy trail
There's a pin I think that has some trinket stuff in it
dire spoke
mastery statstick or everything that is not eye of command
heavy trail
I personally use this bloody trinkets
I got a 900 eye of command today was happy lol even if notso high ilevel
spark pond
Oh yeah, I saw that. But it's showing in the mid of the list, and I remember seeing someone saying it was good, so I'm not sure
lol, so I shouldn't use my EoC in M+? hahaha
that's exactly what I'm doing...Golganneth's + 940 EoC 😦
dire spoke
why would you use a trinket that resets stacks on swapping targets?
when all you do is swapping targets
spark pond
because that was the best trinket that I had 😦 and raidbots was showing better with it
heavy trail
WEll you can switch it in on bosses that are ST
dire spoke
did you sim patchwerk?
spark pond
Yes, patchwerk...nice point
dire spoke
ok good talk 
spark pond
wich one should I use, Hectic?
heavy trail
Skirmish as a rogue can be extremely frustrating lol...
spark pond
Wut...4+ 60s, hectic...stil showing EoC as best
but my UM is 915, so maybe thats the reason
heavy trail
IT might not also factor in that target swaps. I could be wrong.
It might assume that you are not switching but aoeing while on the same target. Dunno 😃
heavy trail
I assume EOC might oversim if the simulation assumes that the buff is active
shrewd night
Although the logic, on a more serious note, is that when you sim for hectic, it has one main target with addwaves.
dire spoke
non-stat trinkets are shitty for sin
warm parcel
It cant oversim
warm parcel
Like its just good. And you can get more out of it via mouseovers
dire spoke
if you're not skilled subt the APL won't swap targets anyways
warm parcel
Assa has 0 modifiers for glaives
And pantheon wont proc in m+
But has 1k ilvl worth of agi
dire spoke
are you planning on an m+ ish APL since it's going to be in BfA aswell?
dire spoke
the community 😄
warm parcel
If people want. M+ might also be more relevant
dire spoke
I think it would make sense
dire spoke
since this question gets asked already 5 times every day
warm parcel
Why not just use amr 😉
restive inlet
M+ APL xd
spare cloud
Because in m+ im a feelycraft pleb
dire spoke
idk trashfight APL with fixed time and targets just for the sake of whatever will be important to know - maybe make it have 2 packs with 10s downtime inbetween
shruggety
warm parcel
Would be interesting to see some trials when it comes to m+ imitation
Just a lot of work and dno
Not what simc is for
dire spoke
yeah
restive inlet
It's so situational though. Maybe you'll want to save cooldowns if you're going to do a boss after that pack. Maybe the other Dps in your group blasted the trashpack with their cds. Etc.
Don't get me wrong, it would be intetesting, but very hard to pull off properly I'd imagine
restive inlet
Oh boy
spare cloud
Dont disappoint the goat
steep obsidian
i mean
im sure blizzard run sims like that in their internal servers with actual bots running scripts
seems like a like fo work though for maybe not great results for us to try and do though
strange python
hey guys is there one of those log analyze bots for assass?
or would anyone be willing to take a look at mine? im to new rogue and have been extremely lucky with getting shoulders wrists and wait for it.. amanthuls vision all within 6 days play time. i have a good idea on the spec but yeah there is room for improvment
hoary copper
Wowanalyzer unfortunately doesnt really work with Sin. @dire spoke and @lone junco are good log viewers. I cant at work, they blocked me
strange python
ah ok cool. would i dare ask that the analyzer dosnt work for assass because how much we rely on poison bomb procs for dps?
solid nova
@hoary copper I see how it is.
forest acorn
it doesn't work because no one made one, and it's not really necessary since analyzing sin logs isn't so bad as analyzing some others
hoary copper
I dont know if I've seen you look at logs but ok @solid nova too
solid nova
!
strange python
this rogue was originally a toon i used to gank alliance on a alli dominated realm too.. just for memes.. did my 2nd ever argus kill on it at like illv 930 and boom my world changed foreever.. amanthulss
strange python
sec il run one now
dire spoke
at least
hoary copper
What ilvl are you now? Totally not jealous >.>
strange python
963, was like 30 this time last week
hoary copper
I went from 950 to 956 last night at least. Still havent done past coven on heroic
dire spoke
so you know what you do wrong
strange python
iv mained veng dh since ToS
well
im always unsure about when to use my 2nd vanish and whether to hold KB and stuff for it
like how long do u hold cds to line them up
i read somewhere only if less than 6 seconds
hoary copper
Use 2nd vanish right away unless you'll be under 30% (if you use bracers) soon and wont be able to get a 3rd vanish in
strange python
only simming at 1.7m https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/HMzgo17cA54uezQfXE41n/simc
dire spoke
how is this possible
warm parcel
Apl has no such rule of 6 s
People just have diff habits
solid nova
Doesnt have 4 set
strange python
yeah only 2 set
iv ran heroic once and normal maybe 3 times
pugged ofc
so 4sets a big deal huh?
dire spoke
well anyways, that's where most of your damage goes to dust https://snag.gy/eovWDw.jpg
shrewd notch
what do the legendary bracers empower? it says poisons right, so env, deadly poison, toxic blade, kingsbane, all of that?
hoary copper
4 set will be a pretty good increase
shrewd notch
as well as bleeds
strange python
hmm sorry zempai i wish i was better at ready graphs but i dont understand
reading*
heavy trail
I got bracers and symbiote as my legos now so ...
forest acorn
you aren't keeping SoT and Evenom buff up during kingsbane
heavy trail
It's kingbane sot and envenom uptimes and crap
strange python
ahhh
shrewd notch
hm wait, why do you save vanish for 30% then, if envenom isn't empowered?
shrewd notch
would it be the same envenom damage, whether the boss is <30% or not?
strange python
ok so if at 3 combo points during kingsbane should i spend my next energery on a envenom or an extra muta for 5 combo points then envenom
basically do i spam envenom regardless of how many combo points i made during my last mutalate
during kingsbane
man that made no sense lol
dire spoke
did you read the guide?
forest acorn
you should have some pooling so you just need to evenom before previous buff falls off
if you have 6 seconds on evenom, it makes no sense to evenom again immediately with 2 cp
and you shouldn't be in the situation the buff is falling off and you only have 2 cp
strange python
ah ok
forest acorn
because you pooled and have energy for enough muti and evenom for always 4-5 cp
strange python
im pretty sure i can fix these issues by making a WA for Sot and the envenom buff
forest acorn
yes
spare cloud
Spoonfeeding is a good thing
shrewd notch
does everything have 100% crit during the vanish shoulders window (deadly poison, etc) or just the mutilates and envenoms you're spamming
warm parcel
everything
shrewd notch
do you save vanish for 30% just because of deadly poison ticks then?
dire spoke
go in stealth and press C
shrewd notch
i don't really understand the difference i guess, between saving and not
i'm missing something obvious i think
warm parcel
the everything crits during the mantle
and that everything includes stuff that is emped by wrists
shrewd notch
you said kb dp and pb were empowered right?
so right now it sounds like you're not saving vanish for envenoms during 30%, you're saving it because dp is going to be ticking
dire spoke
do you actually read tooltips mate
shrewd notch
thing is tooltips are misleading sometimes
shrewd notch
so yes... mate
warm parcel
poison school doesnt even exist
its all nature dmg
and just poison being the flavour name
dire spoke
nature dmg doesn't exist either
shrewd notch
maybe you'd save then not only for 30%, but if you have a kb rolling?
dire spoke
it's magic dmg
shrewd notch
so you have shoulder window up during the last 5 secs of kb?
shrewd notch
ok so that's right then, you save vanish for 30% (if you won't get another one) because of dp ticks and possible poison bombs?
dire spoke
and bleeds
warm parcel
you also have 2 bleeds
dire spoke
and white hits
shrewd notch
gotcha
dire spoke
kappa
heavy trail
This Zempai tard seems to be simply here to insult people for not being diligent about their "research" it's comical 😃
vapid moth
No. It's just fucking annoying having to explain every fucking detail to people
solid nova
@vapid moth Didnt you ask for outlaw stat weights yesterday? 🤔
heavy trail
LOL I get it 😃
vapid moth
Yeah. I have trouble phrasing my questions
heavy trail
But this guy go back and read through the last few hours lol
vapid moth
So I didn't go back for a follow up
heavy trail
it's a behavioral pattern lol
solid nova
Behavioural pattern and you come out with "Zempai tard"
Remind me what you were saying about irony again
supple hearth
@heavy trail hi please go reread the rules in #rules-and-guides "tard" or other variances of "retard" are going to get you in trouble with me please do not make personal insults either
vapid moth
Lol
supple hearth
I'm not your bro pal
solid nova
@heavy trail You're not new. So should know otherwise.
heavy trail
K
vapid moth
I don't like this guy
heavy trail
Got ya "not my bro" 😃
solid nova
Imagine being here to simply insult people
jovial kite
vapid moth
Lmao bruen ya ain't slick
hoary copper
Who me? 👼
solid nova
Guess Xaethrons mute was only temporary 😂
vapid moth
Giggle said it was
solid nova
Starting when?
vapid moth
Dunno. Rather not have to invest in a new raid group right now though
solid nova
Did you get some progress?
vapid moth
APs are starting so yeah technically
spare cloud
Not like you would have anything better to do with your time anyways 🤷
vapid moth
I have dogs down. Honestly I can progress on my DH too at this point. That fuckers almost as strong as the Rogue
lost horizon
Gotta do what you gotta do man
solid nova
I hope you clicked it off after you killed it 😂
vapid moth
You know lack of pantheon trinkets makes no difference
vapid moth
Why would I click it off
But yeah we legit have one guy that can use khazgoroth trinket and he doesn't use it. Tank doesn't use his trinket either.
vapid moth
10mill was what it counted for in the garothi win. Imagine 10 other people doing an extra 10 mill
strange python
even spread across a whole raid it shouldn't make a difference on any bosses until like kin
shrewd night
When did that happen?
lost horizon
There's not any real DPS checks
shrewd night
I didnt take part in such an agreement
strange python
xaethron log posting time
vapid moth
Again?
spare cloud
xaethron post logs pls
strange python
my ww outdps's my rogue and has like 2/3 of the gear thx blizz
spare cloud
How long does it take for one to link logs
strange python
g r e y s
vapid moth
I died on dogs doe. Fuckers around me were all dead and I took a siphon alone
spare cloud
shrewd night
Legitimate question
spare cloud
ITS THE GEAR DUDE
vapid moth
Lmao
vapid moth
They Sim higher than me too. I checked last night
spare cloud
lets look at gameplay though
bronze topaz
does shroud work for dreadborne seer in arcway?
hoary copper
channel
spare cloud
why do you not fok on 3 targets?
vapid moth
When we're there 3 targets
dire spoke
ya'll spoons btw
vapid moth
Anyway I never said they were good logs. I said I knew how to play
manic condor
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
vapid moth
Can't hate on me when I jumping due to annihilation 1/3 through the fight
Where'd everyone go
strange python
had to get up and walk around after seeing your logs
vapid moth
Nah. I have no list
spare cloud
Not like we have an ability that can prevent that
heavy trail
darn got a 940 mark of dargul in the chest.. 😦
spare cloud
dire spoke
roleplay walk to boss
spare cloud
Shhh
its calculated
he knows what hes doing
saving the envenoms for a more impactful moment
dire spoke
for bracers
vapid moth
Was I using something else during the interval
solid nova
I certainly hope you were doing something rather than nothing my friend
vapid moth
Cause I probably wasn't on boss
solid nova
Why would you TB before moving away for xyz reason?
dire spoke
soaking range camps
desert vault
So mythic Aggramar as rogue, just Kindney Shot on adds a reasonable amount to help with CC and that's pretty much it right?
vapid moth
Well. I had a reason to not be on boss I can tell you that much
desert vault
Soaking Flame Rend with cloaking debuff off as well
lost horizon
@desert vault let your bdk deal with adds
desert vault
@lost horizon I just thought giving some extra help never hurts, we have so many DKs, four of them, two tanks and two DPS
solid nova
What kind of raid is this
desert vault
Going to be nice for Aggramar and then ... Argus, well yeah 😃
lost horizon
You're better off not doing anything
vapid moth
No shit @spare cloud. Are we ignoring the fact that I raid with idiots?
solid nova
@desert vault It's worth it to be prepared incase you need to, but it highly unlikely. Goodluck though
lost horizon
A bad CC can hinder more than it helps
spare cloud
You are raiding with yourself so you are always raiding with at least one idiot
no matter where you go
spare cloud
i dont know how you can be so delusional to think that you actually know what youre doing
desert vault
I wonder if we should 4 or 5 heal mythic Aggramar, prolly 5 heal for progression
vapid moth
We had 6?
spare cloud
From what I've seen so far you're probably also a flat earther
vapid moth
Toph now you're just being a dick
solid nova
@vapid moth You need 3 healers for hounds, there's actually twice the amount you need
Explains the slow kill
dire spoke
I'm the richest guy in walmart btw
vapid moth
Alright then. Ty Richard
lost horizon
I mean xaethron's already tagged 'really bad rogue' idk what the discussion is even about 🤔
spare cloud
spare cloud
Why would you even claim that you can play yourself
when youre not even close to being a top rogue
vapid moth
Alright
sullen mountain
vapid moth
I'm 962. That's not top dps
spare cloud
as claiming you are a good rogue
twin meadow
logging on progression? are you ok?
spare cloud
What progression logs
vapid moth
They asked @twin meadow
spare cloud
I mean I'm fine with you checking my logs
vapid moth
Those are progression logs. Not " come check the good dps" loga
spare cloud
But I also never claimed that I can play
shrewd night
3 months into content, first bosses are NOT qualifying as progression.
final star
No, my dick is bigger than yours 
spare cloud
Kieron doesnt even know what the discussion is about
just feels the need to say smth
and its stupid
🤔
final star
If you don't think this is a donger measuring contest, you obviously can't read
spare cloud
final star
This dude tryna prove he got the 8 inch dps
spare cloud
heavy trail
Hmm...toxic channel here lol but I guess that is determined by the moderation lol
final star
twin meadow
???????????
warm parcel
mods seem to be mia rn
dire spoke
Kieron how is your hand? can you punch stuff again?
spare cloud
Well, I'm done anyways
final star
@warm parcel has huge dongler
heavy trail
Well some of them seem to actually enjoy this sort of thing so 😃 haha
final star
Yes my hand is good, starting gym to strengthen it now
spare cloud
even if you are good, you don't claim it
spare cloud
He's not good by any standards
he's literally worse than average
but well, it's okay
vapid moth
Lol
hoary copper
hoary copper
Its extra buttery at the bottom, reach way down deep
spare cloud
I can also understand that.
shrewd night
Kieron is tom in disguise
final star
Wewlads vindication 😡
hoary copper
you dont put butter on your popcorn? what an atrocity
final star
Justice for the wew 😡
hoary copper
like kettle corn?
spare cloud
I always thought youre more of the salty popcorn person
final star
Why not
hoary copper
I am the sweet one of RH
strange python
Damn i leave for 5 minutes and the roasting of xae got even better
solid nova
I've seen the salt and sweet stuff, looks minging.
final star
Salt and sweet is the best
Only if it's made as salt and sweet
You don't like, go half and half
cold spoke
🤔
gaunt moat
it wasn't a ban, it was a self exile
zealous dew
spare cloud
cold spoke
never had pad thai before?
spare cloud
Notter exposing the pussys
hoary copper
He was doing bunny things I guess
vapid moth
It wasn't even roasting
final star
When is stjern gonna do another @ everyone and break the server again
lone junco
vapid moth
Besides not being on boss. You guys said nothing other than my dps was low
solid nova
Give it a rest
final star
Just hit boss
spare cloud
What
lost horizon
@zealous dew jealous af rn not gonna lie
placid egret
...
spare cloud
I literally posted screenshots of you failed your rotation
final star
Download 
solid nova
Stop. Taking. The. Bait.
final star
spare cloud
fucking hell...
final star
A little piggy getting his hands held by addon
solid nova
@zealous dew Please dont post NSFW images ty
placid egret
That's a lot of no envenoms
final star
Richard the mod 
placid egret
solid nova
Too toxic for Mod sorry
hoary copper
Sadly your level of toxicity is lower than most, so still eligible
dire spoke
notting else matters
solid nova
Sadly 🤔
final star
If Don can get despot anyone can 
gaunt moat
i'm not sure what's going on
but it seems like... if you can't take criticism, maybe better to not talk about your performance.
placid egret
No bully notter
shrewd night
Dw Notter, he knows how to play
gaunt moat
i mean, if someone points out mistakes (of anyone) that's great.
final star
Hayde don't do it
gaunt moat
that's how you get better
final star
😡
cold spoke
😎
dire spoke
final star
LOL
shrewd night
Not if you raid with idiots
solid nova
Look at that spicy avatar you had
gaunt moat
what do you think PB is?
cold spoke
im into crabs now
solid nova
Personal Best
cold spoke
beans on toast
gaunt moat
anyways, #off-topic for all your crab needs
spare cloud
notter what is the game you are playing all day long
final star
Beans on beans
spare cloud
tell me about it in offtopic
fiery nest
Thinkin about thos beans
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/TAZVNMwQhwEjZRWz1U54s dicking around with a super high crit super low mast set mid lvl vers with ring
sims on par with my reg bleed stuff lmao
final star
Lol not even alacrity lol not even TRYING
final star
Rofl
final star
Cos that's how high assassination Sims with bleed
strange python
who needs it when my bis gear also has 20%
strange python
with 80% mastery tho , i wont be praying for poison bomb 🤔
strange python
ill sim it for kicks
strange python
56crit+dogs and its just too low
but ive also only got rupture crit % traits so that makes anything but bleed pretty shit
ive got 3x mass 3x rupture crit
strange python
if i happen to get them at Mass and something else i prob will
they just happened to roll
strange python
oh yeah you're right
ill check that after this other one
how much mut crit does 3x bb give
gaunt moat
dead toph?
vapid moth
Hmm
spare cloud
spare cloud
Yeah you're never gonna be the hero of the chatroom
Sorry to disappoint you
You would make for a good anti-hero though.
Even though they are usually smarter
vapid moth
Who pissed in toph cheerioa
spare cloud
Whats cheerioa
lean hill
Cause it's all shit
Eagerly awaiting the end of the day so I can get my 960 relic to DE
solid nova
EU.
vapid moth
Heh. US all dead
void pecan
serene basin
i feel like Rock Lee with his leg weights, without zoldycks
hard gust
hey guys do i use wound poison in pvp?
floral panther
Hey I got zoldycks and mantle as assassination rogue. Should i swap mantle for boots?
strange python
strange python
so in other words
solid nova
@hard gust Would poison is applied with honor talent to crippling poison
serene basin
@hard gust No, once you get deadly brew you'd use that
floral panther
Well thanks for nothing @strange python . Thanks @solid nova
serene basin
It's in your honor talents
solid nova
^
strange python
oof
solid nova
Pretty sure i got a genuine thanks
strange python
ye he did
solid nova
As its a correct answer lol
strange python
i got slammed for being concise
zealous dew
I know but I wanted to flame
strange python
🤔
zealous dew
slammed 😃
zealous dew
I agree
floral panther
Already simmed. But wanted other people's opinions on how it worked for them.
Instead I got some 16 year old elitist
Reply
strange python
oof that one hurt im not xae
zealous dew
even if bracers sim less in progression you use bracers anyway because potato ppl will die
fiery nest
🍿
drifting cloud
you can leave now
shrewd notch
seconded on potato + bracers
strange python
ryler came in guns blazing
dire spoke
If I'd listen to opinions I would play bleed with alacrity
strange python
that one hurt
lone junco
@strange python is prob mid 20s anyway
fiery nest
what if yoiu're the potato, better off using cyndaria
shrewd notch
tru
strange python
ding @lone junco got it
strange python
lmfaoooo
floral panther
Difference between attitude makes a world of difference
Like I said tact. Learn it
zealous dew
savage #2
strange python
if you had a genuine question id have had some discussion
dire spoke
sausage
strange python
instead you didnt use your brain and asked someone else what you should do with your character
so i said
floral panther
No the only discussion you have is how great you think you are at a game.
dusky tiger
!trinkets
chrome tuskBOT
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
solid nova
EU times, im off
If you want a gentlemen's opinion, you know where to find me xoxo
fiery nest
telling someone to sim themself is thinking you're great at the game? 🤔 interesting leap of logic there
zealous dew
@solid nova do you pb on cd ?
floral panther
What's the point in this channel if not to compare notes and ideas? If the only answer is to sim yourself? If there was only a need for guides and sims. It would be pinned. I asked for opinions to weigh options that I might have missed. Anyways gonna have a cup of Joe. Thanks for the help
fiery nest
there is plenty of discussion when the answer hasn't already been answered by simply simming yourself
feelycraft is bad
lone junco
@floral panther bracers are good; boots are good; shoulders are good. your offpiece combos matter
gaunt moat
@floral panther hi, if you're new
you'll find that people here do have good intentions and like to help people.
you don't have to take offense over answers like sim yourself. especially when that is the correct answer.
also, keep in mind, people are under no obligation to help. and that every question has been asked about 10 times a day.
so i recommend that you reflect on that, instead of insulting others.
lone junco
I play 2p4p bracer boot. or 0p4p shoulder bracer or other 0p4p shoulder boot. or 0p4p Insig bracer. or . . . its all about the same. cause my gear is good. and i have a lot of crit.
spare cloud
Keep in mind that its the end of the expansion, and most bis combination are also already known
with bfa new stuff is coming though
dire spoke
keep in mind that you need to keep stuff in mind
spare cloud
Keep in mind that Zempai is toxic
gaunt moat
don't troll new people either.
strange python
at this point in the expac ive got enough offpieces to play most combinations except 22/220
spare cloud
I don't
strange python
do you disenchant them
lone junco
no 22/220 for me.
spare cloud
I have one gear set and it sims like 60k more than anything else
strange python
Yikes
lone junco
I get a lot more work done, when I do work.
strange python
cant wait for no set bonuses, though i do wonder if that is going to make m+ lord of all
viscid helm
azerite pieces are literally the same thing..
lone junco
basically we will just farm an ass load of everything still.
viscid helm
its not the same
lone junco
the Pyramid of traits from gear will be really important. Ive seen some that are neat dps gains.
strange python
yeah if the pyramids you can only get from raid are better than the ones from m+ might be different
vapid moth
Toph so butthurt bros
vapid moth
@floral panther is more butthurt doe
lone junco
our luck, the good will come from M+ that we will have to re farm each Ilvl boost.
but, the item itself will have shit 2ndaries.
so yay?
lone junco
hahha
strange python
Azerite armor cant procc
viscid helm
o ye
well just wear 50ilvl lower gear then
🤷
after you have obviously farmed 5x of that piece for all specs and AoE
while being forced into personal loot
lone junco
id love the pyramids to be qol and defensive. but saw one with a stacking buff to 100 on corruption applications.
strange python
supposedly youll be able to change them like talents but we'll see
lone junco
full tier bonuses from non tier sets
change is fine, but actually getting the right ones will take farming
viscid helm
yeh well you can "respec" artifacts as well
i highly doubt its gonna be like switching talents
if you can at all
lone junco
if we get something like. +3% damage per target with rupture. stacking to 10.
lol
but those pieces cant TF.
paper mural
Morning all,
Should I drop some mastery gems for crit? I feel my stats are a bit out of balance
gaunt moat
zealous dew
tact being the keyword
plain thistle
strange python
@paper mural as always you should toy around in sims and see what happens. I have a hunch your crit is a little low
looks like a #1 parsing build to me
2 pbs during vanish execute and hes r1
lone junco
@paper mural use simc addon and https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats then pawn to help balance stats.
some people dont like simming. so they get to guess.
but 23/200 sounds awful.
strange python
i cant imagine having to mut 2x all the time
paper mural
Cool, thanks guys 😄 Seems I need to dump my mastery gems afterall
lone junco
@paper mural next step is to use gear compare to test the gem swap. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/gear basically duplicate the item and put a different gem.
Every time I try to drop crit gems for mastery (even with high mastery weight) turns out to be a loss. So I keep my crit gems.
paper mural
Aye, doing that now, the difference is slight but it seems crit is better
dire spoke
with that low crit you most likely struggle to clip any of your poisons, therefore it's better to have more CPs with one builder
paper mural
I make my raids enchants so I don't mind wasting them for small upgrades 😛
strange python
ive got like 77% mut crit now
lone junco
niiice
strange python
52 base crit 2 bb i think
viscid helm
without some dumb shit like not using pantheon etc
strange python
and then whatever dog trinket contributes as far as crit goes
17 haste 11 vers 80 mast
😉
lone junco
a few of my fights I have logged are 71% mut crit range. not counting argus.
argus is pretty nice tho.
but sim is way lower
vapid moth
17 haste?
lone junco
but thats not the Insig build. I can get 52 base before dogs i think.
but thats ep/tb
strange python
sims like 2.2
vapid moth
more than me
strange python
which is what all of my stuff sims ish
lone junco
2.2 is pretty good for 966 i guess. My poison is 963 at 2.1
vapid moth
you have about 5k less agility doe. why
lone junco
I havent tried a stupid build like that though.
strange python
you could prob with ideal stats hit in the 2.3-2.4 range
strange python
with 0p4p im like 974 but still sims like 2.2 or a little less
vapid moth
i sim for about that noobe
strange python
ill keep my rogue up to par but also play ww
dire spoke
I should sim 2.3+
vapid moth
ill be playing allthe melee leather classes. cept feral
pine flame
hi guys. im new here. can anyone help me with rotations?
fiery nest
look at top of this window
pine flame
resources and faqs?
gaunt moat
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
gaunt moat
@pine flame