mastery buffood is actually almost 4%
#assassination
spare cloud
vestal wren
375 mastery vs. 475 versa
spare cloud
But yeah, all depends on stat weights
stark heart
depends on your stat weights
keen inlet
^
vestal wren
dont forget that the versa food has a higher base value
stark heart
4% mastery is a) not all your damage b) you have a lot of mastery already so it's not 4% increase to damage even for that portion that is affected by mastery
1% vers with low amount of it on gear might pull ahead
drifting cloud
100 dps food minmax โฟ
viscid helm
I personally use agi food
stark heart
I use mastery because I made too many of it
drifting cloud
yeah my guild stopped usi agi feasts like 2 months ago
stark heart
but I wanna go for crit
drifting cloud
vers 1sec eating for life
stark heart
4 cp mutilate please
stark heart
viscid helm
Alacrity btw
stark heart
I have around 60 I think
36 base + 5 traits
don't remember how many it is per trait now
6%?
viscid helm
4%?
stark heart
oh 4
viscid helm
i cheat
spare cloud
crit gear
stark heart
viscid helm
wow
spare cloud
What class should I play on alpha
strange rover
^^^^
final dove
should i use Forgefiends Fabricator 950 or shadow singed fang 935
other trinket is kiljaden burning wish
grim canopy
In BFA is Sub still the best at aoe?
cause if "yes" ill know to delete my rogue
just did a M19 as asssassin this monk literally did 40% more total dmg by puressing 1 button on big aoe (FOF)
i just alt f4d
total dmg, the aoe itself was like fucking 1000x more
civic palm
Yeah just Delete your Rogue, for asking a question 4+ months before someone can give you an accurate answer.
We dunno.
grim canopy
Sub is so funfun especially i heard the gcd will go into that 30 sec ability
civic palm
and anything else, not escaping it unless you stop playing WoW.
grim canopy
blizzard is smart, this order hall gold thing keeps me playing now and then since its basically free and more i log in more i pile up
iron crane
is sin way better than sub now?
lone junco
Yes.
grim canopy
in raids
iron crane
what makes it so good now
lone junco
Dps.
grim canopy
Sub is better for M+ the premeire new pve content
lone junco
The long answer is that 4p21 is very good for sin.
iron crane
sounds good dude, i've sticked with sub for so long w/ t21 4 pc
I don't have the shackles for sin though
manic vigil
noobe 
iron crane
well time to re roll
grim canopy
lol
merry orbit
guys, any site with tips for sin rogue on m+? i'm new with sin on dungs :C
i always played sub on m+
grim canopy
rip
crimson knoll
Shoulders + bracers. Spam FoK, pray for 
lost horizon
If shit lasts long enough it's worth maintaining like 3 ruptures
merry orbit
i know that, that is a basic stuff, i play sin already so i know rotations ect. i mean i look for specials tricks for spec, like how many ruptures on pack, when use back or when wrists, and sth like that
lost horizon
You don't really have trash cooldowns other than for prio targets
There's no real sin specific tips
Just know what to focus down
hazy iron
Using crimson vial preemptively for dense concoction is good too
On higher keys
But yeah, no depth or intricacy
lost horizon
Sin is about as faceroll as it gets
You said you're familiar with the spec already right?
merry orbit
yea i play rogue since prepatch, so i know the class
i search for magic tricks, they are in sub, so i thought maybe i dont see something with sin yet
but i see it's nothin to see in deep xD
lost horizon
Yeah there's no depth in sin
merry orbit
i heard something about it it's not worth to rupture more than 3 targets, you hear someting about that?
merry orbit
okey, ye, in theory rupture is more dmg, but not more dps
okey right
no it depends situation
vs how many enemy we are fighting
and what about 5 man pack? like hov?
spare cloud
civic palm
No it's literally Rupturing more than 3 targets will lead to a DPS loss.
Especially if things don't live for over 20 seconds.
spare cloud
You can't compare 2 abilities purely based on the dmg they do
merry orbit
if they die before it full tick it's obvious it's dps loss
spare cloud
thats not necessarely true
merry orbit
it's why i'm thinking about best number
civic palm
and need to dump into ENV and hoping for PBomb procs.
merry orbit
K
civic palm
The best number is probably somewhere between 2 and 3, but 3 is just easier.
merry orbit
it's shoulder time
eya
yea*
you use back? or always wrists?
like imps on cos
on first pack of imps (left one) you can have 30 stacks if you dont fok pack with 2 mobs (sucub and felhunter)
then same with 2nd pack after 1st boss (inqi +4 imps) it's worth to use on something like that back?
i check, and Fok with max back is doing more dmg than ss on sd with max back
blissful summit
i got the mage tower down!
exotic glen
good for u
blissful summit
๐
exotic glen
ilvl?
blissful summit
936 but im not a good rogue at all, very bad at mechanics and abilities so i struggled XD wiped 13 times XD
exotic glen
wat spec
blissful summit
assassination
blissful summit
yeah im sure it is XD like i said im terribad XD
exotic glen
i hadnt played outlaw since like emerald nightmare
did outlaw challenge like 2 weeks ago i think
just mogo'd it down
with ilvl
blissful summit
what ilvl?
exotic glen
@strange python how much r u charging
wise frigate
@supple hearth Wake up and do your jerb ^
wise frigate
It's going. Just fucking around on my tank DH for the luls
civic palm
Giggle is buying driving in traffic and I bitched him out for texting.
Try someone else.
busy*
wise frigate
Fark. Uhhhh @gaunt moat I summon thee, bunny!
civic palm
We need ๐ฅ s!!
spare cloud
@strange python what are your achievements/qualifications
strange python
achievements.
well
let's see
game achievements or life achievements?
be more clear please
manic vigil
spare cloud
I'm not buying
exotic glen
it was cat
supple hearth
๐จ
@strange python self promotion is against the rules here please read #rules-and-guides
gaunt moat
go to sleep
plain thistle
๐
grim canopy
So I did another M+ this time my dmg was way higher and I almost beat the monk....
this poison bomb lottery stuff is worse than outlaw
arctic venture
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
grim canopy
i dont think any other spec has such a huge rng sway as this crap
nimble tartan
How about those ascendance boys
plain thistle
how about elemental gambling build ๐ค ?
sometimes P1 argus 3M and sometimes just barely 2M, ๐
potent lintel
Would it be beneficial if there was a WA that tracked the concordance buff and nether crit buff so that you can use kings bane during that period?
vapid moth
Havoc Dh mage tower is a joke at 957 lmao
did that shit first try
those illidan blades look way better up close and on a regular sized dude
dire remnant
mythic cache at 13 kills correct? or 12? heard lots of conflicting info. i'm at 12 right now on my alt and unless my pug kills imonar tomorrow i gotta wait til next week for my order hall qeust
btw is there a way to favorite discord servers
as i join new ones ravenholdt keeps movin down the line xd
void pecan
civic palm
@potent lintel No.
potent lintel
Do you guys used poisoned knife in any of your rotations
civic palm
Only if you find yourself away from the boss and your Deadly Poison is fading and you are NRG capping.
safe matrix
Tbh I'd say "if you find yourself away from the boss and are energy capping"
civic palm
Can just your the normal debuff tracker.
Yeah there's not much do other than Feint when away from the boss, or spam FoK if you are using Boots.
potent lintel
Does FOk apply the poison at the same rate as PK
potent lintel
Hmm I wonder that explains why my dps is shit. Ive never used PK
Cant seem to get over the 2.3mil mark on garothi heroic
civic palm
No.
safe matrix
Pray for poison bomb ๐คท
safe matrix
But on garothi you shouldn't ever leave boss long enough for poison to fall off
civic palm
Correct.
safe matrix
You can survive everything with feint
civic palm
ESPECIALLY on Heroic.
echo cargo
feint + crimson vial = immortal
safe matrix
+cheat death
civic palm
I am going to miss Dense Concoction > _>
safe matrix
I'm gonna miss a lot of things
civic palm
At this point it's not pruning, just losing a fucking weapon that happens to have a bunch of weird shit on it.
safe matrix
Legendaries too
civic palm
Honestly CLR really just feels like a small bonus.
Some leggos are being rolled over, though I do not know about SUB.
safe matrix
We got nuffin
civic palm
You keeping nrg reduction talent?
safe matrix
Supposedly fuu likes it in t45 now
civic palm
Yeah, better for leveling and makes that tier more interesting.
Vigor and DS are not great on trash but MFD is fucking insane.
safe matrix
Vigor is great for trash
civic palm
Not as good as MFD I wanna say, though that's pure feelyshit.
safe matrix
But I'm pretty sure sin is becoming the AoE spec
civic palm
Looks like things are not done yet considering the WIP talent.
safe matrix
Literally all of sub AoE got gutted
civic palm
Considering the BF nerf yeah we might be.
safe matrix
I mean poison bomb being baked in is super good
safe matrix
Meh close enough
civic palm
Not at all considering Crimson Tempest is on that tier and needs a nerf/change.
safe matrix
I mean atleast sin has an AoE tier
civic palm
Yeah but what if you end up the ST kings?
safe matrix
Might be that way
safe matrix
But there's no AoE in the kit
potent lintel
NVM i tracked MP on WA and it never fell off
I guess it is very rare for it to fall off since it kept refreshing
civic palm
I will need to invest in Tomes in BfA though, that's for sure.
zealous dew
MP ?
potent lintel
Mastery poison
civic palm
Yeah DP is not like AP was before the proc chance change.
So long you are on the boss it's almost constantly refreshed.
safe matrix
Nah it got trashed hard
civic palm
Could be something fucking weird that messes the tree up.
zealous dew
why would you track a talent, you mean deadly poison ?
safe matrix
Fuu bets AoE talent, I'm guessing single target
civic palm
I do think that for as many people that wish to play DFA more there are just as many that would really like to never press that button again.
Mmmm, there's a general DPS talent and DFA, could be...
Anything.
DFA could be refactored to being more AoE oriented and you get a new ST talent.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
OTL got fucking New Killing Spree.
Which is just better Killing Spree.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
safe matrix
Ye, but they have to reduce SoD cd. Spec plays too slow otherwise
Cause loss of tier
civic palm
You were gonna lose the tier regardless.
civic palm
Yeah.
Will feel bad for sure.
I do think most things are being slowed down a little.
civic palm
It's fine ATM.
The tier NRG regen is bonkers, no chance of getting that back.
With more Haste the NRG regen returns from DoTs ticking faster.
Even if we don't stack haste the effect is still there.
Venom Rush also got gutted and is probably not being picked anymore.
So we lose some spiciness there.
safe matrix
Gonna be interesting to test things out ๐คท
civic palm
I do wonder if they are going to add CT to Venomous Wounds, though I doubt it.
turbid harbor
0% chance
civic palm
That would basically break our NRG regen.
turbid harbor
that would be retarded
civic palm
Entirely.
safe matrix
Oh actually I remember the thing that really cheeses me about the pruning
You can't cast tranquility while moving anymore
._.
civic palm
Yeah well fucking pay attention.
safe matrix
But how will I spam jump now
safe matrix
FeelsBadMan
safe matrix
But I like HoTing
safe matrix
How doe splashing some water on people heal them
If anything
It would just give them hypothermia
civic palm
It's cold water, helps with clotting.
safe matrix
Is it sanitary water?
civic palm
Shaman are getting so many things back AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Only from the freshest springs that mother nature has to offer.
safe matrix
Does Mother Nature disinfect?
civic palm
Naturally.
If it's good enough to be inside you, it's good enough to be inside you elsewhere.
Come on Blizzard...
a little on the nose.
wow nice buff, jeez
potent lintel
Ive noticed that on aggarmar right where he shields and we attack adds, my dps drops significantly from like 1.9 mil to 1.5 mil in a matter of seconds. Why is that?
civic palm
You can and should refresh your DoTs on him as they still generate energy, but focus on the add you need to kill.
FoK instead of MUT, multi-dot Agg. and a big add, continue along as normal.
potent lintel
why fok?
civic palm
Better CP generation.
The damage is already awful so losing 99% of the damage on 1 target makes no difference.
Keep Crippling Poison up just in case something gets too close as well, just in case.
turbid harbor
i mutilate during intermission
civic palm
Sure but if I can multi both > _>
civic palm
If the buff range is 15y it's pretty easy to take the two steps to DoT both and Fan for CP.
turbid harbor
it's not
turbid harbor
also rupturing aggramar when he takes 99% less damage is not worth
the ads are moving around because you're speeding small ads up
they will not be tanked exactly 15 yards even at their closest
also fok is only better "cp generation" at 4+ targets
it deals more damage to ads at 2
but that is not your goal
you deleted, but what the guide says is fine
if the intermission is long enough it's definitely good to rupture both big ads
civic palm
Yeah if they are close enough, they don't need to be within 20y, starting on one is probably fine.
Having SS up at that time makes that very easy.
stark heart
You can fok and hit both big adds if tanks position them well
I usually refresh dots on aggy right when he walks to the center then go ham on big add, fok to hit both if I can reach another
One of the adds die so fast bleeds on it would be a waste of time
turbid harbor
does your guild not split damage on them?
to kill them at the same time?
they both die instantly at this point regardless
stark heart
Nope we kill one first then another big add
turbid harbor
but, if by some act of god, a guild is still progressing at this stage the ads will be alive for a while
turbid harbor
to end the phase more quickly
civic palm
To anger the healers?
turbid harbor
get more value out of multidotters and single target cds
stark heart
You don't?
turbid harbor
yes you do
stark heart
Multidotters do what they would do anyway
civic palm
Yeah range is not their issue.
stark heart
It's mostly that non multidotterrs focus on one, then on another
civic palm
3
turbid harbor
is better than 1
stark heart
Those who can attack both do it anyway
turbid harbor
you will do more dps, the phase will end faster
we end the phase so hilariously fast it's not even worth rupturing 2nd ad
civic palm
Whaddaya have 8 Spriests?
stark heart
You have multidotters who spreads damage and then single target deeps that focuses on different adds
You overall damage would be the same but healers have more to heal
turbid harbor
my mind is blown
having 2 targets alive longer benefits everybody for dealing damage
split the melee
have ranged dps them equally
i can't think of a different way to type this
civic palm
You already expressed your point.
It's not like people do not clearly understand what you are trying to express.
stark heart
Now you don't understand what we are trying to say
civic palm
1 add can die in 4 fucking globals on Heroic, let alone the duration of a Garrote.
and that's with my guilds awful DPS.
civic palm
bahahaha
jovial kite
๐คฆ
civic palm
I was going to point out that the original statements in regards to Agg. strats were geared towards Normal/Heroic but looking at it no difficulty was stated.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
civic palm
They tell you that?
turbid harbor
of course ๐
civic palm
It can get a little dull.
stark heart
Aggramar is 
civic palm
Yeah.
Kill that, then that, then that guy, ok let's hope everyone else is doing their... jobs...
Oh hey Void Fart is good here... once... woo
turbid harbor
at this point itโs all pretty ResidentSleeper
strange python
can you use shadowmeld to activate the garrote 30 talent?
turbid harbor
our healers ask us to let imps cast on portal keeper
civic palm
IIRC Shadowmeld doesn't work on some stealth stance specific things.
Pyromancer free casting? THAT'S WHAT I LIVE FOR.
civic palm
He was neat like, the first time.
With a combo thingie, not that we did anything with it, was still neat.
stark heart
it's boss for those who deal with adds
civic palm
The fucking MDI twitch overlay plugin thing is the nicest overlay plugin thing on Twitch > _>
The technology is there.
extension^
strange python
hmm thanks, dunno i can shadowstrike with it and ferals can rake
just wasnt sure if it recognized the garotte talent
or for that matter the 50% one for envenom/rupture
civic palm
Was better in WoD > _>
civic palm
So long there are no auras applied to you before there are targets.
Like Eonar.
Not that Eonar matters.
But everything fucking procs it.
strange python
im just thinking for sub mayb
if thet 5% lasts until the double shoulder window is over
steep obsidian
does that overlay update when they change their gear?
did anyone notice?
i thought it was pretty cool too though
woven night
Greetings. It's the first time i post on thsi discord. I play mainly rogue. I love the class. Since i have been on and off WoW many times i'm a noob in pve and pvp. I love PvP even if i'm not high enough on item level (875). Is there any guides you would recommend me checking? (No skill capped please). I use Assassination spec and i don't if it is the best way to go.
jovial kite
check the pinned messages mate
woven night
Where are those? Sorry for ask i'm new here and on discord as well.
strange python
jack you still bleed parsing or playing something different
woven night
@jovial kite @pale basin thank you for the info. Knowing that i don't use enchant or jewelcrafting how can i get enchants and gems?
Thank you ๐
dire spoke
๐
woven night
In general you guys think that Sub is the best PvP spec or Assassination?
dire spoke
depends on pvp, setup and ranking
arena, rbg or shitshow - what do your mates play - how high is the level of your play
if you go random low level just play what funs you because it's kinda the same question for pve
for more detailed discussions please enter #pvp
woven night
Thank you @dire spoke i will do that :)
steep obsidian
gosh what a cluster fk in the MDI
cold patio
hi, guide says don't delay TB more than 5 sec and use it for last 8 sec of KB so u guys delay when kb is 30sec and tb 25sec left (TB delay for last 8sec KB would be 12sec) or just use them both than on cd?
zealous dew
How's mdi going
dire spoke
they quit due to connection problems in australia
primal marsh
hey, ppl telling me, I should only aim for 33 % crit. Everything above isnt that important. Is that correct?
primal marsh
ty
steep obsidian
how good crit is will depend on your gear and legos
viscid helm
i'm very curious about the sources, where are "people" telling all this bullshit
plucky oak
Does haste impact poison bomb tick rates?
viscid helm
no
dire spoke
no yet 
lethal heart
best players out of apac region*
steep obsidian
i wonder how he found his way here then ๐
also to be fair apac finished 1st and 2nd last mdi ๐
there are some good teams
heavy plover
Anyone know if you get essence from the daily brawl, gravity lapse?
astral sundial
yes you do
lethal heart
btw i was thinking
dont crucify me
but why wouldnt anyone run alacrity in m+ if you could keep it up 100% time let's saay
do you just overcap energy anyway if you multidot so it doesnt matter then?
manic vigil
lethal heart
but dots dont scale with haste ๐
at least yet
they will in bfa tho
wont they?
sharp viper
does crimson tempest trigger venomous wounds energy?
turbid oxide
yes @lethal heart
merry orbit
poison ticking on target dont scale with haste? strange, it should work like normal dot
"magic dot" -> it's not bleed like ruptur or garrote
warm parcel
neither are hasted on live and both are on bfa
sharp viper
dangit, crimson tempest is not in the venomous wounds tooltip ๐ฆ
haste only gives you faster autoattacks and slightly more energy on live servers, hence why alacrity is shit
zealous dew
๐
tired crag
hey can i ask a quick question
its not spec related but i really have no clue which race to choose on horde
turbid harbor
haste weight is 0.1 on 5+ targets ๐
sharp viper
@tired crag you might want to check out https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/
sharp viper
although i think bloodelf should pull ahead of the other racers
sharp viper
unless you play highend pve or pvp you should pick whichever race appeals the most to you
turbid harbor
so bloodelf ๐คค
lethal heart
troll ๐
strange fog
Pick Forsaken, they don't need to eat, breathe and they make some gnarly poisons!
manic vigil
dire spoke
trolls are swoll 
round bane
Finally pieced together 4 set in Normal Antorus last night and went from parsing about 30-40% iLevel to 78% on Argus. Anyone care to peruse my logs and throw some feedback my way? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7ybVnjBKxv1gJ4D3/
dire spoke
Why are you playing DS ?
dire spoke
๐คฆ๐ป don't select all encounters
spare cloud
I DIDNT
it redirected me after I clicked on garothi normal
i went to double check
@round bane Your best go would be to read the guide, first of all
gather some questions you have
and then ask them collectively
round bane
I've read the guide and built toward is as best I can at this point. I just know missing 4 set was a big loss in damage. Sometimes people like to pour over logs to help others improve. Just hoping there's a Rogue doing it here. ๐
round bane
Well, I was running the Vigor Ring until I got 4 set.
spare cloud
Okay, did you sim between vigor ring and ravenholdt insignia
round bane
And I think they are pretty interchangable so I'd just need to run sims to see where they stand.
spare cloud
because you used them both
round bane
Yeah. Ravenholdt sim'd higher but I really couldn't get used to the feel of it before 4 set. So I ran Vigor Ring instead.
round bane
Well, I didn't run Ravenholdt until I had 4 set which fixed my Energy regen issue prior.
dire spoke
I'm not gonna review and draw lines in a fresh 4p rogue / false talents log
spare cloud
deeper strategem with vigor ring is the right choice ๐คท
anyways, you ran deeper strategem + ravenholdt on fel hounds
without 4 set
round bane
Oh crap. I must have forgotten to swap the rings.
spare cloud
You never used vanish in the fight as well
round bane
Well, anything before Argus I'm not too worried about.
spare cloud
You have not read the guide.
At least not attentively
you are not even using all your abilities
Please leave.
round bane
To reapply Garrote I'm assuming.
manic vigil
spare cloud
Indeed
round bane
Yeah, I need to work on that for certain.
spare cloud
You vanish garotte to refresh it within pandemic window
spare cloud
why do you not use the information then?
Mieta, stop with the advice
you don't know what you're talking about
viscid helm
just because he forgot to use vanish doesnt mean he didnt read the guide.
spare cloud
Also if Ravenholdt sims higher, then you should play it
round bane
Toph, who's your Rogue?
spare cloud
Tophqt-Blackhand
manic vigil
Wow
spare cloud
Why are you interrested in that though?
I mean I can also stop, good luck finding someone to analyze your logs and pointing out the mistakes
round bane
Just curious to see what you run.
spare cloud
I run shoulders bracers
dire spoke
don't compare sin rogues
spare cloud
It doesn't matter what I run though
because you will not be running my build anyways, at least not in the near future
most likely
Focus towards your character
round bane
Sure, but it's still fun to see what a better Rogue is doing.
spare cloud
sim what is the most beneficial
then play accordingly
the problem is
for example I play with Nighstalker
so I play my opener differently
so if you were to copy my opener but play it with subterfuge
then you would play it wrong
(just an example)
manic vigil
spare cloud
Anyways @round bane you should if anything look for rogues which use the same talent/legendary choice as you do
but I can almost guarantee that you won't find any good rogue that plays that combo.
So what you should do is, first of all sim the legendary/talent combo that sims best for you
and then play accordingly to those talent choices
learn the subterfuge playstyle
Go punch a dummy for 10 minutes until you have it down
get used to the legendaries you are using
Addon usage is an important part as well, yeh
And then once you are used to the playstyle and you are confident in playing it decent, go try to log again then post those logs
with correct talent choices
which we can then use to eradicate further, less obvious mistakes
round bane
Ok. Thanks for the input.
supple hearth
!mute @dire spoke
manic vigil
tired crag
๐
supple hearth
He used some perjoratives that are commonly known to get you spooned
??? So just because someone is helpful they are above breaking rules
Sorry that's not how it works
Hes a regular he knew better. IDC who you are if you use autistim as a perjorative you're getting auto muted
The rules are listed in #rules-and-guides if you need a reminder
supple hearth
If you break those it's up to the mod to warn or mute.
@drifting cloud that's actually discord tos
Btw
Not na mods
terse hinge
Perhaps there is a way to negotiate this?... give em a fare warning? Or merely speak with them upon the topic?
supple hearth
Its not going to be negotiated. It's clearly been communicated a million times.
terse hinge
Fair enough. I respect your opinion, and though I may have different ones, it is not for me to decide.
drifting cloud
because hes nice and immune to ban ๐
you can shit on people all you want
just dont use the a word
supple hearth
@gusty kestrel I've muted for using that word more than anything else
No exceptions
drifting cloud
wheres even the message
did he edit it and you can see what it was before the edit
and still muted him
or what
supple hearth
It was deleted
terse hinge
Is there a portion of time this person will be muted?..
drifting cloud
rules are pretty vague regarding that
supple hearth
@terse hinge it's generally an hour or less for something minor
drifting cloud
so it kinda looks like your holy crusade against 1 word
because by that logic you could be banning for 10 other words
terse hinge
Good. In that case there is no need for you all to get worked up about it.
supple hearth
@drifting cloud if you personally insult someone you're likely to get warned or muted
If you use racist or commonly offensive terms same thing
@gusty kestrel you're being silly.
flint pelican
"autism" is a "commonly offensive term?"
supple hearth
@flint pelican yes.
terse hinge
Musclebrah didn't insult somebody in this chat. Using the term 'dickhead' while frustrated is one thing. Insulting somebody by saying (plz no mute for saying ty) Autism is different.
drifting cloud
except we all know which people he meant
so its kinda the same thing
just a differnt word
its fine hell come back next weekend after they get knocked out of mdi
or probably come back to quote and call me something thats not bannable if they dont
terse hinge
I won't argue that the person said some offensive things. But if they found no need to mute him, this doesn't mean he's above the rules. Simply that he lets such words slip easier. I understand your side of this - but this isn't my call.
supple hearth
@gusty kestrel next time you feel personally insulted call my name and I'll have your back
I apologize that action wasn't taken on your behalf
terse hinge
It'll be an hour.
supple hearth
Which is like 5m I can unmute him
@dire spoke ily don't use autism as a perjorative or call someone an idiot tysm
dire spoke
You could at least spell the word right instead of copypasting it
supple hearth
.>
terse hinge
Lol..
stark heart
not a personal attack to call language skills, right?
supple hearth
@gusty kestrel I get it you don't like him.
Drop it. Don't insult him and when he comes insulting you he will be the one to get punished
terse hinge
Too true..
flint pelican
is there a good trinket list floating around somewhere? the one in the guide isn't working
stark heart
serene lintel
insignia or soul of the shadow blade?
dire spoke
@serene lintel You best should answer that question with a simulation, from xp insigna most likely will be ahead
also you find standard profile simulations on herodamage.com
spare cloud
And because it's pointless you comment on it? Whats that flawless logic @brisk forge
brisk forge
Cant i comment on stuff that is pointless? since it happends
dire spoke
You can talk about the soft language issue using synonyms for synonyms and wamens nipples on TV in #off-topic
sharp viper
zempai #1 moderator
zealous dew
what's happening here
manic vigil
supple hearth
U rite
dire spoke
Yeah I don't care, just don't use the word perjoratives anymore because it doesn't exist
sharp viper
just make it one, neologisms ๐
wise frigate
#hot-topic?
sharp viper
language is constantly evolving, for better or worse
spare cloud
What does existing even mean
doesn't it exist if it is used
Or does exist mean it's in the dictionary
I don't know 
sharp viper
well it finds it's way into dictionaries by being used by people first
spare cloud
What is existence even
turbid harbor
i like the typo correct edit ๐
spare cloud
If we are just part of a script, then do we really exist?
turbid harbor
because existance doesn't mean anything ๐
wise frigate
This is life. And life is pain. And then we die.
spare cloud
Shall we migrate to #off-topic and call @echo estuary and @trail heron again and continue the political discussion from yesterday
grave pagoda
hey, anyone know what kind of dungeon u have to do for the red ghostblade skin ? normal ? heroic mythic ?
strange python
@grave pagoda Difficulty doesn't matter, you can do any
hollow matrix
eoc/singed fang?
astral sundial
@hollow matrix the answer is always "sim it" - but eoc seems to have better stats per IL. for me for example, 940 EoC is better then a socted 945 SSF
crimson knoll
Keeping in mind EoCโs value goes down if you need to target swap
lost horizon
Right, but you can cheese around that with mousover macros
echo cargo
afaik EoC > Fang until it's basically a mythic fang.
plain thistle
wow dead channel
zealous dew
ded game
flint fable
๐ฆ
plain thistle
๐ฆ
supple hearth
poison master spec
plain thistle
rip
fossil panther
Got a few questions if anyone here doesn't mind answering...
fossil panther
What class or specialization would you relate the gameplay of assassination rogue to?
supple hearth
The pinned resources might be very helpful in answering a lot of your questions so I recommend looking and reading through those before unloading questions that might be answered there.
Im not sure I understand that first question though are you asking what other class/spec is similar to assassination? Because all of the classes/specs are unique for the most part
fossil panther
Nevermind that question then.
supple hearth
and the way metas change throughout expansions and raid tiers often change how each spec is going towork. Currently its a lot of throwing bleeds/poisons up and praying for RNG poison bombs
grave pagoda
@strange python do u know if karazan counts as one for every part ?
strange python
I think so
strange python
Was about to edit it ๐
supple hearth
iirc back when these first came out kara was only one dungeon. Its since been split to lower and upper. So you'll have to try and see if it counts as two or one
strange python
Made a typo, happens ๐
supple hearth
I'd assume that doing lower will count as one and doing upper will count as another though
grave pagoda
then ill just skipp lower then since there is no way of tracking how many u have done
withc is bullshit if u ask me. i did ask a GM about the matter he could not track my progress and he dint know wh ytheer was no tracking at the orderhall aither
lucid harbor
hello
can some1 help me with my rotation?
938 item lvl and my dps is around 1M on single bosses
supple hearth
@lucid harbor have you looked at the guide
warm parcel
If you have a pov of you playing just post it here
supple hearth
You can post a log as weak suggested
lucid harbor
youtube, icy-veins, ravenholdt
warm parcel
A logs fine
A pov is best
lucid harbor
i dont have
warm parcel
well then how you suppose we fix those issues ๐ค
supple hearth
easier if he can see what youre doing though
warm parcel
Guide does that
warm parcel
And if I dont know what you do there is no way to really comment
record you killing bosses on lfr
and post here
supple hearth
you have to do what the guide says to do x)
lucid harbor
hmm
Starting with Garrote > Mutilate > Rupture > vendetta > TB > KB > Mutilate > Vanish > Rupture > Mutilate x2 > envenom
is that wrong ๐ฎ
plain thistle
with shoulders?
supple hearth
why are you waiting so long for your first envenom
spare cloud
did you sim wether nightstalker or subterfuge sims more for you?
because that changes your opening rotation drastically
that sequence is fine if you play wrists/boots with nightstalker
plain thistle
you should sim
spare cloud
Indeed
supple hearth
@spare cloud ive never played without shoulders is that normal to not use envenom until hes using it there?
spare cloud
you should sim whats better for you
lucid harbor
i have NIghtstalker
spare cloud
The build he's playing is not played anymore
usually if you play wrists/boots subterfuge outsims nightstalker
spare cloud
You should really read the guide first though
to get a better understanding of the general mechanics of the class
spare cloud
@supple hearth If you play Nighstalker without shoulders then rupture after vanish brings better results
spare cloud
Yeh dont use icy-veins guides if you actually want to learn the class
read the guide of ravenholdt
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
lucid harbor
i did vanish then rupture x2
ty brobot
okay thanks every1
and this didnt work
plain thistle
lol
supple hearth
lol
lucid harbor
followed that guide b4 but i just looked quickly at it again
spare cloud
tip: it's way above the "to"
supple hearth
what could it be
spare cloud
[who knows]
supple hearth
[i see what you did here]
vestal wren
[i did not see anything ๐ฆ ]
vapid moth
where do i go fibd a tricks macro
/cast [@focus] [] Tricks of the Trade
does that work?
warm parcel
what do you want it to do
vapid moth
... to use tricks without me having to manually select the target
marble hemlock
i use two tricks macros, one [@leaden hemlockeover] and another one [@playername]
nice ping, sorry mous
marble hemlock
i use the second one, type in the name of the tank, and use it for the majority of cases
supple hearth
Can also use the person's name if you have like the same tank always
marble hemlock
i.e. for a raid or dungeon run, you rarely tricks a different player anyway
leaden hemlock
I can't even change my nick because it's my discord username 
marble hemlock
:x
leaden hemlock
I left it like this so at least the macro stays accurate. Was hilarious when people were trying to use [@Puddin.Popeover]
Because of my nick
marble hemlock
๐
vapid moth
arcway and court are shitfests this week
full violet
Is it true that haste increases dot ticking frequency in bfa?
heavy plover
damn gnawed thumb ring is pretty darn good
spare cloud
Well it depends, it can be pretty insane
strange python
Test them both
timber owl
yo, is this any correct? either 3x MA relics or 1x MA + 2x MAlchemist? atm putting sims aside, just came back to game and feelcrafting general idea
dire spoke
gnawed has more value than sim will tell you, it's used on CD within the APL which is false
keep that in mind
spare cloud
Can't tell you which you choose when you feelcraft
because the values of the relics are based on sims
๐คท
dire spoke
you choose relics based on legendary combinations and you choose legendary combinations based on your stats - so toph is right, nothing to feelycraft there
heavy plover
even better @dire spoke ๐
spare cloud
Anyone here good with elvui?
uncut shale
Gearing is so odd nowadays... Bracers are supposedly "BiS" but my leggo boots sim higher. @_@
dire spoke
There is no BiS in legion
plain thistle
thats because boots-bracer-shoulder are all good legendaries
and depends on off pieces
marble hemlock
dont f orget helmet
plain thistle
boss fight, etc , etc , etc
and ravenholdt ring if using alacrity build ๐
its a option ๐คท
dire spoke
haste buffs the poisonbomb tick rate
marble hemlock
how much haste do i need so poisonbomb gets an additional tick @dire spoke
drifting cloud
69%
dire spoke
yeah
plain thistle
hehehehehe
spare cloud
Ravenholdt ring can also be better without alacrity ๐คท
strange python
mp buffs only dp on alpha now ?
wooden stream
HeyGuys, has anyone the say annnouncement for poison bomb procc? :x
supple hearth
zealous dew
PB! bring luck!
civic palm
@wooden stream Hm?
wooden stream
i need the say WA or something for M+ for poison bomb procc ...everytime the tank move out from my PB
spare cloud
and you think a weakaura saying it will impact that?
wooden stream
its for my premate tank..
thin sleet
if he's premade, scream in vc whenever he walks out of it
wooden stream
n1 discord help server when no one will help..
supple hearth
a lot of people look down on that announcement. Its commonly regarded as annoying
thin sleet
^
supple hearth
also discord community hub =/= personal help desk
thin sleet
nice one?
civic palm
The only Poison Bomb trackers I make now are meme's.
Designed to annoy only 1 person.
spare cloud
the user?
supple hearth
It looks like maybe they left the server RIP. Also their only previous 2 posts were from way back in 2016 lol
spare cloud
People help almost instantly all the time if it's a reasonable question ๐คท
thin sleet
yup
my experience with all the class discords i've been to has been overwhelmingly positive
civic palm
Just push him off onto the WA disco > _>
spare cloud
technically it's a weakaura question yeh, so this is the wrong channel for it ๐คท
wrong discord even
supple hearth
Well it IS a rogue specific WA so it makes sense. I'm more surprised he left after like 2 minutes lol
thin sleet
touchy
thin sleet
v fragile snowplum
supple hearth
always smh at those people. Come in. ask a question. Leave server immediately
spare cloud
Probably was angry already because tank pulled mobs out of pb
supple hearth
lol
supple hearth
he left before I posted that
civic palm
Come to think of it, I could probably make the WA look like it posts to /say but just outputs to DBM/BW messages.
Probably enough to fool people.
spare cloud
Omg
civic palm
or even the chat box, that shit doesn't spam /say but can look like it.
spare cloud
don't troll people like that
civic palm
:3
civic palm
About?
spare cloud
If you could help me that would be amazing
civic palm
Who knows.
alpine pier
Whats better dps bleed or poison assa?
hot torrent
depends on your gear
fiery nest
hot torrent
well, then start with poison imo
naive cypress
Should my setup be different in m+? Like do i just use shoulders + bracers?
naive cypress
I see
tranquil birch
You should also have a non bracers set for the bosses that don't ever go below 30% health
cosmic nacelle
Mostythic plus bosses I use healm or boots instead of bracers
strange python
those damn sub rogues
hybrid laurel
i just got some good shoulders and was wondering if there's ever a situation where you'd wouldn't use the legendary
solid nova
When another one sims higher?
civic palm
and you are going to need a lot of Crit for that to happen.
prime void
Shoulders are for losers
prime void
^ toxic
wise frigate
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naive cypress
Rekt get
steep obsidian
TBONCD