assassination

[strange python]

Whqt does this change mean? Will it affect our leeds also now?

[wise frigate]

Do yourself a favor and go read the tooltips of Garrote, Rupture, and any other bleeds.

Then place your face in your palm.

[shut willow]

So close

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/au4iKWNZ3mUzG47WrxTpix

wtb 2.2M plox

[strange python]

So bleed dmg is not nature dmg?

[onyx falcon]

pwn3r, does your tier cape w/ w/e hands you got sim lower than that gear set? just curious since hands have haste

and your boots too

[wise frigate]

Did you read the tooltips Kalkoo?

[strange python]

@wise frigate you could have just answered my question, and not be a jerk

[wise frigate]

I prefer to teach people how to answer questions for themselves.

Especially silly questions. :)

[supple hearth]

I don't think he was being a jerk he pointed you to the answer.

[strange python]

He could have just said "No, its physical"

[supple hearth]

🤷 what's that saying with the fish...

Give a man a fish feed him for a day
Teach a man to fish feed him for life

Or something like that

This discord is a wonderful place to get clarification or answers but you gotta do your due diligence first or you'll get memed and that's not because people are jerks

[strange python]

its just sad

[wise frigate]

I will concede, I'm a dick.

But you have to admit that was a pretty silly question.

[supple hearth]

It's not a personal help desk. It's a community forum.

[strange python]

So the change MP will it affect its dmg?

[warm parcel]

Its like you had a watch in hand and you ask what time it is

[wise frigate]

And you don't want to be meme'd on and you ask that question again.

[placid egret]

[wise frigate]

Do some simple math for me rq Kalk. Does Physical = Nature?

[strange python]

This is not ravenhold, this is assholeholdt

[steep obsidian]

the only classes were vulnerabilities get weird are like dh and lock right?

[supple hearth]

@strange python nature damage done is increased by 30%

Rupture and garrote etc are physical as was pointed out

Not nature

You're welcome

[steep obsidian]

cant dh hit every add on argus and get bonus damage

opop

[warm parcel]

Ye

[wise frigate]

Giggle pls. Don't give into the willing ignorance.

[supple hearth]

Can't help myself.... He needs the help lol

Just because you've been taught doesn't mean you've learned

[placid egret]

Such a nice guy.

[wise frigate]

People like that don't deserve the simple answer after getting salty for asking a super silly question that can be answered with a few seconds of brain power applied to comprehension.

[steep obsidian]

i mus be weird i don't really mind answering dumb questions

[warm parcel]

But he got the correct answer of looking at tooltip.
And then he comes out blaming us?

[supple hearth]

^

[steep obsidian]

then again i did it for a living for years so got used to it

[supple hearth]

I googled it for him

And then he asked it again

[steep obsidian]

lmgtfy.com is still a thing

[wise frigate]

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

[supple hearth]

Weapon poisons so.... Deadly poison etc

Wound poison

[placid egret]

weapon poisons

Dead talent tbh

[strange python]

So is this bad or good?

[steep obsidian]

does that mean it won't affect pb?

[warm parcel]

O they nerfed that?

[supple hearth]

Means not envenom

Or pb

[placid egret]

Not pb

Yuh

[steep obsidian]

ewwwwww

[warm parcel]

[steep obsidian]

exasnguinate rising

[strange python]

Ty

[supple hearth]

Too early to tell tbh

It's alpha

[warm parcel]

Never did env

[supple hearth]

Oh ok

[placid egret]

Did they change ep as well?

[warm parcel]

Would be cool to have dp as bit more important dmg tbh

To help haste and env uptime

[supple hearth]

Meta will probably change another 50000 times before live and then some more after.

Hopefully not like legion launch

[steep obsidian]

yeah for sure

[plain thistle]

http://pt.wowhead.com/spell=196864/mestre-envenenador

OPS

portuguese wowhead 😂

[strange python]

How will this affect TB?

[plain thistle]

it doesnt buff envenom

just deadly and KB

[warm parcel]

It does

Just wording change

[supple hearth]

Toxic blade isn't a weapon poison with that wording change it's just nature damage so wouldn't be affected by master poisoner Is that correct :p

Is that what you're asking @strange python

[strange python]

Nah more in a broad question, is it a bad change, or a good, and why in ur opinion

[supple hearth]

Imo it's irrelevant because changes are still being made

The spec isn't complete yet

[warm parcel]

It didnt change

Just changed words

[supple hearth]

Probably for clarification

[strange python]

Yeah im just trying to havea discussion about it, to gather what other more experienced rogues think of this alpha patch changes to our sin rogue

[hazy iron]

🤔

[viscid helm]

I mean hardly anything changed

Who cares

[strange python]

not using alacrity

[hazy iron]

rip

[strange python]

what kind of abomination

[supple hearth]

Insignia...

[hazy iron]

its because my crit is fucked

[strange python]

boots/insig alacrity op

[viscid helm]

What ilvl is that

[hazy iron]

973

[viscid helm]

Nice garbage

[hazy iron]

🤔

[supple hearth]

Angery pooh

[sage geode]

Would you also play with eye of command on aoe trashfight or cleavefight in m+?

[hazy iron]

hell no

[sage geode]

Which one then

[hazy iron]

i'd use wrists and fang on aoe, isn't that a no brainer

[vapid moth]

EoC is very doable

[hazy iron]

I just found it funny that my stats are so out of whack

dunno, I've never taken an EoC into M+ before, only had it for a day at a reasonable ilvl

[vapid moth]

Yup. It works well

[strange python]

listening to xae's advice 🤔

[hazy iron]

guessing you just focus a priority target and mouse-over rupture if needed, at least that's what I've read

but I'm pretty comfy doing what I do in M+

[viscid helm]

Its not worth if you have fang

[hazy iron]

without EoC on trash

yeah

[vapid moth]

I have mouse over tied to everything at this point lmao

[strange python]

why are you simming so low with 973? 😮

[hazy iron]

im not sure

[viscid helm]

Cos he plays TB

[hazy iron]

lol

i mean, i could sim a 3 min fight and add an extra 200k..

[vapid moth]

Cause his crit is shit

He has more vers than crit

[strange python]

you simmed 5 min fight right?

[hazy iron]

ya

[strange python]

oof

[viscid helm]

Now u just sound stupid

[hazy iron]

but my crit is pretty low

[strange python]

how high do you sim flowi?

[viscid helm]

100k more than that

With same ilvl

[hazy iron]

whats your crit and verse at?

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h8PNn8vnBe4n2g3fBw5gnT

🤔

[vapid moth]

And actually I'm pretty sure the Ring 1 has haste

[viscid helm]

Like 80% mut crit

[hazy iron]

huge

yeah, its gross, i need to get rid of it, i have about 6% haste

[strange python]

only 6

and still simming 2.2

[hazy iron]

😦

[vapid moth]

6 is a lot

[viscid helm]

Its not

[hazy iron]

m,ost peopel i see at like 2 or 1

[strange python]

6 is not 100k dps

i promise

i have 5% too

im 34% crit, 5% haste, 194 % mastery, 13 % versa

[viscid helm]

You get like 5% just from legos

Most likely

[strange python]

my bleed is 51 8 100 17 or something like that

[vapid moth]

My stats are still shit :/. My DH almost as strong as rogue

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7wB9ynn9PvdpHBXYB1yGf9

[hazy iron]

i think i sit at 2 or 3% with wrists and shoulders, taking off the eonar ring

[strange python]

alacrity not worth for me 😦

[hazy iron]

Flowi how many mut traits do you have?

to reach 80%

[viscid helm]

Simming alacrity with wrong stat weights

Okay

[strange python]

explain my dude

[vapid moth]

Lol

[strange python]

what would be my alac stat weights?

[viscid helm]

Wrong talents to

Im done

Thats like me trying so sim bleed with full TB gear

[hazy iron]

why so angst 😦

[strange python]

i literally jsut put alac in my dude, im not familiar with the alac play style

[hazy iron]

people come here to learn lol

[wise frigate]

You must be new here.

[strange python]

sry for rustling your jimmies

[wise frigate]

Flowi's always like that. Don't take it too personally.

[vapid moth]

Ep alacrity

Need high crit

[hazy iron]

But yeah, need to replace eonars with a decent crit mastery ring, and I expect a significant increase for my wrists build

[strange python]

alacrity is bleed style then?

[vapid moth]

Wut

[plain thistle]

alacrity is ♿ style

[vapid moth]

Anyway why do you have 5 tier pieces on?

[strange python]

i mean im familiar with normal poison shit + ep / exsang bleed stuff with 3x MA

[plain thistle]

fullspeed ♿

😂

[hazy iron]

lol

[strange python]

errorsol wearing 5 pieces? 😄

[vapid moth]

No I meant you. The gloves aren't tier though my bad

[strange python]

gloves are tier

shoulders/ head arent

[vapid moth]

Or um...

I hate looking shit up on the phone

You should get the head. That is mastery and crit right there

[strange python]

its 985 offset head + 980 offset shoulder with 4x tier

[vapid moth]

Or not. 985 lol

[strange python]

yeah no way i get a aggra token with a 985 head offset 😄

thats why i have to play tier set gloves

[vapid moth]

The neck can still go. Filigree pendant is the thing I just can't replace on my rogue :/

[viscid helm]

Nothing wrong with tier gloves

[vapid moth]

Who said there was?

[strange python]

the 965 neck simms higher than a 960 + socket hounds neck

for some reason

[vapid moth]

🤷🏾‍♂️

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wvwrcfou3FguLJR6kHcvWM

[vapid moth]

You already Sim for 2.4 though. Doubt any drastic change would be of much help

[strange python]

my 3 necks id have to choose from

ye

[hazy iron]

whats your ilvl?

can my lack of crit really be punishing me that hard?

[strange python]

978 equipped with this gearset

[hazy iron]

wrists boots for me sim like, 2.15

ah huge

[strange python]

flowi whats your alac sim rn?

[vapid moth]

Flowi doesn't like to share

[strange python]

i mean for it depends with lego shoulders + normal boots i sim 0,8% lower

but on shorter fights its way stronger

than my current setup

[viscid helm]

Somewhere between 2.3-2.4

[strange python]

no chance i could actually ever play anything but bleed with 3x rupture relics but meh

[viscid helm]

I dont play the game so dont really care

[strange python]

simming 2,322 with alac setup / changed everything to crit

[hazy iron]

whats the idea behind alacrity anyways, creamy smooth muts and ability to keep up EP indefinitely?

[strange python]

or memes 🤔

[viscid helm]

100% uptime on envenom,EP,2pc

[strange python]

why arent u playing anymore @viscid helm ?

[viscid helm]

Cos Its the end of the expansion

Whats the point

What am i gonna do

Farm some tedious m+ to replace the gear at 112

[strange python]

not even doing 1x week clear/ sellrun with your guild?

[north basin]

anyone on mdi playing assa rogue? or only subs

[steep obsidian]

only seen sub rogue so far and they tailor the pulls specifically for them

n keep mobs up as long as poss

[viscid helm]

Why would you play sub when Monk exists lol

[steep obsidian]

well the chinese were doing ok with the sub rogues and the big cleavy pulls but yeh

[viscid helm]

I mean if you are aiming to lose i guess it doesnt matter

[steep obsidian]

i guess more leeway in the mistakes you can make on a rogue too

easy to die as monk

[strange python]

if you die a lot you prolly shouldnt compete in mdi anyways 🤔

but yeah monk shits on sub / doesnt need tailored pulls really

[steep obsidian]

monks can flat out die

[strange python]

just beyblade around and kill everything

[steep obsidian]

through no fault of their own though

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

also no glaive in mdi 😦

which makes sub rogues sad

[steep obsidian]

yeah

i guss when you used to doing like 25 and 26 keys 22/3/4 feels like nothing

and they just play what is the best and not for mistakes or whatever

[strange python]

and prolly monks being "frail" isnt that big of a deal in 22-24 ish keys

compared to 26s

[steep obsidian]

yeah they can do trinket cheese n shit for problematic mechanics

as well

[strange python]

i would love if you could choose your gear for m+ on live aswell 😄

[north basin]

why they dont have glaives in mdi?

[strange python]

only antorus trinkets

or dungeon ones

no tomb trinkets at all

[north basin]

k

btw any reliable way to see through logs exact boss damage? coz i cant choose fights only whole 25 min runs

[strange python]

you have details?

details shows u a list of the last combats u had, you can pick the bosses from it?

[north basin]

i mean top logs

from warcraftlogs

[viscid helm]

Yes timestamp the logs

Not hard

[strange python]

aah mb

[north basin]

so only picking time frame from fight? thats all?

[shrewd night]

@north basin What is it that you want to achieve?

Oh MDI? Yeah, good luck with thayt

[zealous dew]

rip arcane torrent

[stark heart]

long overdue

[quick ice]

at least belf is pretty good for mogging still

[viscid helm]

1% crit

Still better than anything else

[zealous dew]

yeah but 3s aoe silence 😦

[quick ice]

zandalari might get a better racial?

[viscid helm]

Well see

[stark heart]

tauren aoe stun new best racial

[viscid helm]

They have life regen

As one

[shrewd night]

For the sake of all belfs out there, glhf if there is an aggramar-esque fight in BFA

'We got a shitty flare, Mr Rogue, run over there and massdispel'

[zealous dew]

lolz

[steep obsidian]

lol

8 yards is hardly mass dispel

but yeah it will have some use i guess

cloak my stun debuff on raid then dispel them instead of runnin out

npnp

[shrewd night]

I mean, whats the radius on mass dispel on live?

[zealous dew]

random guy sleeps the whole melee on imonar

MD!

[steep obsidian]

haha

mage: don't purge that buff i want to spell steal it its op

..... wtf

[shrewd night]

'Oh, so you mean if we dispel this its rip parse for you?'

[warm parcel]

Even more bitch duties for us

[shrewd night]

*if youre belf

[warm parcel]

Mding aggra adds

Thats honestly amazing

[shrewd night]

Bow down to your nightborne overlords tbh

[warm parcel]

Troll still better for mage

I dont wanna go troll

[shrewd night]

I looking forwards to see what goodies Zandalari gets

[warm parcel]

Prolly time to buy bfa and start grinding the races

[viscid helm]

Who cares about a mage

Not like u are gonna play one

[stark heart]

@warm parcel just wait for better looking troll to pull ahead

[turbid oxide]

you should already have most of the work done for the new races

[stark heart]

[warm parcel]

I dont have bfa yet

And I meant grinding 1-110

For the achies and armor and what not

[shrewd night]

[viscid helm]

[shrewd night]

But

Uh

Why

[warm parcel]

Duh

Cause I collect stuff

[viscid helm]

Its 20-110

Please

[shrewd night]

According to Flowi

You dont collect parses tho

[viscid helm]

[stark heart]

grinding races

I only unlocked all of them and called it after

[viscid helm]

My nightborn wlock got stuck at 80

[turbid oxide]

I haven't even done the questlines yet

none of them interest me

[shrewd night]

I started question, then got stuck at 35, because armor isnt worth the hours of selftorture

*questing

[stark heart]

@turbid oxide velf one is nice

rest are meh imo

[viscid helm]

Alliance

[turbid oxide]

I don't have any alliance characters though

[warm parcel]

I mean I just want the heritages

[shrewd night]

Level my characters too while youre at it

[warm parcel]

Sure

[fervent beacon]

voidelf feels so good.

[sharp viper]

the teleport seems fun as hell

[shrewd night]

It seems fun, but I dont think it has any actual real value

It doesnt travel fast enough for that

[marble hemlock]

all these yellow names, everyone playing alacrity nowadays?

[steep obsidian]

its outlaw 😐

[dire spoke]

henlo frands

[zealous dew]

alacrity 😄

[shrewd night]

@dire spoke

[prisma gull]

I've seen one instance of the teleport being useful, that during coven when norgannons torment is up.

[shrewd night]

Proper CC renders it useless tho

[prisma gull]

Psh, CCs are only for elitists.

[dire spoke]

you can actually

dispell empowered embers on aggr

like don't care at all

[shrewd night]

@spare cloud

[wise frigate]

Did someone say yellow name?

[vital blade]

whats the stats for assasination whats priority

[shrewd night]

[fallow estuary]

V11 is bae on Argus

[shrewd night]

[fallow estuary]

The Voidelf port is amazing to reposition with rage

[quick coral]

but a question tho

for ST sims i sim lower with Masterassasin then master alchemy, shouldnt it be a opposite? second trait is the same etc

or is it mastery based i guess?

[fallow estuary]

Is it your 1st Massasin relic?

[quick coral]

nah

atm am in a awkward pos with 2

[shrewd night]

So its your second?

Or third?

[dire spoke]

with mantle the second MAss isn't beneficial as it desyncs vendetta the most - for non-mantle builds it's not punishing

[quick coral]

well am building mantle and sadly i got 2MA but question is if am going for the 3rd then to make more suitable for kb?

[dire spoke]

it depends what you get 🤷🏻 it can also be benefitial going back to 1

you need to simulate it when you have something

[quick coral]

yeah i guess i will freeze it as it is then and w8 for more relics

[dire spoke]

you can simulate a what if situation on raidbots.com/simbot/relic and just insert a relic that has MAss on it

simulationcraft addon is needed for that

[grim harbor]

oof got my BIS legend

[fallow estuary]

Gz! :)

[grim harbor]

had to run a raid to actually equip it though ive been running the dreadlords cloak until i got it

been tryna farm it for ages so i was pretty happy but ive been running versa rings instead of mastery which i kinda just found out i was doing wrong so reeee

[fallow estuary]

Reeeeeee

[grim harbor]

big reee

[fallow estuary]

Just sim your satatweights on raidbots ❤

[shrewd night]

running the dreadlords cloak until i got it

[grim harbor]

oh shit

lmao

you know what i meant haha

the mantle of master assassin is 👌

pvp and pve

[shrewd night]

Thats what I think about mantle

[grim harbor]

lmao i love them

in pvp you can burst people down in seconds with them thats why i love them

does the crit affect the chance of poison bomb though 🤔

[steep obsidian]

reading the tooltip in your weapon would tell you

the only thing that effects pb % is the cp of your finisher

[grim harbor]

thought so wasnt sure if crit affected it

[steep obsidian]

i mean

esseentially crit does

[grim harbor]

5% each cp isnt it

[steep obsidian]

because you will get more fininshers

[grim harbor]

true

[steep obsidian]

if you crit mute more

but sims take all that into account

[grim harbor]

in my burst i normally use vanish with the mantles debating whether to keep it in my opener or keep it to use it later on in the fight

[steep obsidian]

the guide gives the useage that gives the best results over thousands of iteratons

you only delay vanish for vendetta

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim harbor]

aah aight sounds good

[viscid helm]

5% per CP what

What game do you play

[shrewd night]

25% PB

yesty

[grim harbor]

isnt it 5% per combo point for a poison bomb

[viscid helm]

No

[grim harbor]

on your envenom

what % is it

[shrewd night]

Envenom and Rupture have a 2.5% chance per combo point

Read the fucking tooltips reeeeee

[grim harbor]

oh shit where did i pull 5 from

[warm parcel]

Alfa

[steep obsidian]

hey i already said that

not mah fault if he didn't do it

i am being nice and helpful here

[grim harbor]

havnt read tooltips for a little bit

forgot a little bit off it and just went off memory but i mustve forgot lmao all good cheers for clearing all of that up

[warm parcel]

5 was on alfa

[shrewd night]

alPHa

[warm parcel]

Alfa

[dire spoke]

ananas

[warm parcel]

[dire spoke]

[grim harbor]

lmao your pictures are great

honestly

[shrewd night]

Ah shit

This is MattB

in disguise

[grim harbor]

👀

big boy b

[steep obsidian]

wut

[thin plinth]

hey guys, how do i do more aoe dmg in M+ then the tank without the shoulders ?:D

[shrewd night]

FoK

[thin plinth]

like with sub ?

[shrewd night]

This isnt sub-channel

Or do you mean like sub would use 'insert spell here'?

[thin plinth]

yes

like the sub aoe ?

in sub spec i do FoK and then eviscerate

[shrewd night]

...Yes? Assasination has one aoe spell, and thats FoK. Why you wouldnt be using it is... Strange.

[thin plinth]

and about the dotting with garrote and rupture

should i be doting as many targets as possible

[shrewd night]

Do you have four set?

[thin plinth]

yes

[shrewd night]

Then the answer is no

[warm parcel]

Yes

Rup still wins

Garrote no

[thin plinth]

so i dont garrote, just rupture 2/3 targets

[shrewd night]

[grim harbor]

ruptures og

[shrewd night]

We had this disucssion 2-3 weeks ago and found the opposite to be true

[warm parcel]

You rup as many targets that live thru it

[thin plinth]

and spam FoK + envenom

[warm parcel]

The discussion was finishing vs ignoring cps

[shrewd night]

Ah right

Nvm

[warm parcel]

And if pb didnt exist, yes fok spam

But pb does exist

[thin plinth]

well pb is random

[grim harbor]

keeping rupture up on at least 3 targets is pretty good

[warm parcel]

Unlucky

[thin plinth]

so in my understanding i spam FoK + envenom and pray for a PB proc

[warm parcel]

There is no x target

[thin plinth]

right ?

[warm parcel]

If target will bleed out you rup

Simple

[thin plinth]

i saw a video, the lego shoulders will make my AoE like 300% stronger

[shrewd night]

Noping the fuck outta this one

Cya!

[zealous dew]

lol, take care dude

[midnight latch]

300%

I wanna see the source on that math

so I can bully that person

[grim harbor]

he might mean the cloak

the dreadlords

[scarlet mantle]

NA math

[keen inlet]

Lo, and the Angel of Good Play descends from the heavens;

Readeth the guide, trusteth the guide, 'twas written by people smarter than thee based on maths developed by people smarter than thee

But the people threw rocks at the Angel, for they did not believe His message.

[grim harbor]

lmao thats great

[keen inlet]

...and the Angel was like; "lol believing rocks can hit a divine planar creature in 2k18, did u even roll to hit, you aren't specialized in rocks that's gonna be a -3 penalty"

[midnight latch]

drops paper
HA I WIN

[keen inlet]

basically

if paper = simc

[jovial kite]

Lok

Lol

Btw drunk alrdy

Have a nice weekend yall

[steep obsidian]

bai

[jovial kite]

[midnight latch]

already

[steep obsidian]

bow down before Don

[midnight latch]

@jovial kite wats wrong with u

[jovial kite]

wat

[midnight latch]

its 3 in the afternoon

[jovial kite]

no

Its 4

[midnight latch]

how can u be drunk

well for u

still

[jovial kite]

imean

[steep obsidian]

its 11pm where i am

being drunk is perfectly fine

[jovial kite]

Itsfrifay

and

If you look out the window

Its beautiful out yo

[midnight latch]

cant am in the basement

no windows

[jovial kite]

dam

[midnight latch]

@jovial kite have a great weekend my dude

[jovial kite]

Thanks fam ❤

[warm parcel]

Naya just woke up

[midnight latch]

no

[warm parcel]

[zealous dew]

[grim jay]

🤔

[keen inlet]

Sin buffs and nerfs in equal measure on alpha build

[grim jay]

wouldnt expect too much from alpha balancing anyways rn

there are some classes being completly gutted

[keen inlet]

Pushing more dmg into active abilities

muti/env

taking away from rupt/poison

and a crimson tempest nerf, which should surprise nobody who's played alpha

it's quite strong

[midnight latch]

I dont like more damage in builders actually
but I guess its unavoidable

after the whole FoK > mut fiasco

also prob the counter play argument for pvp again

[turbid harbor]

master poisoner not buffing poison bomb anymore

[midnight latch]

cause a huge env crit has less counterplay than 3 consecutive mutilates

[turbid harbor]

and i guess ep duration at 4s makes clipping not possible in a lot of situations

[steep obsidian]

but mastery buffs bleeds

haste effects bleeds

its just a movin around of some damage is all

can't really say much until final tuning is live eh

i wonder if they doing raid testing soon

[keen inlet]

@turbid harbor That was important, to make MP not required for PB

although it stings

[turbid harbor]

tru

but all the alpha logs i saw had pb doing barely any dmg anyway

[keen inlet]

I think PB will be dungeon go-to

and/or M+

hard to say rn tho

[turbid harbor]

yea it's impossible to say right now

i looked at 4-5 alpha logs and pb was ticking for so little

now it's going to do even less dmg

rupture and ct got approximately the same nerf

roughly 10% for both

ct does only slightly less per tick than rupture

but it has aoe on cast

and lasts half as long

have to cast it twice as often

only weapon poisons

well that's what the tooltip says, and i assume the intention. would have to test in game to see if that's actually what happens 😄

i cba testing alpha stuff this early

no point

i'm still waiting for last tier sub talent

sin just seems to be getting number tuning at this point

[steep obsidian]

have they actually commented about specs much?

as to how complete they are

[viscid helm]

they are complete

what are u talking about

what you see on alpha rn is how it's going to look on live

meaning all classes have been brought down to BM level of play, probably even slightly lower

only specs that didnt get completely gutted

are UH DK and Feral

[steep obsidian]

mm seems seems sorta cool but that is completely different

[viscid helm]

Survival got hit the hardest

with 2/3 of its rotation deleted

[hoary copper]

Did DK get anything for movement? I havent looked at their changes. The only thing keeping me from doing a DK is how slow they are

[grim jay]

its cool that they got gutted? lul

no they didnt

still slow af

[hoary copper]

I'll prob not use my 110 boost on them then. Hunter or warrior prob then. I should finish leveling my DH too just to have it

[midnight latch]

you can no talent that you cant get slowed thou on dk

so u cant get any slower

[keen inlet]

flowi's in typical form this AM

[viscid helm]

mate

[midnight latch]

I think

[viscid helm]

its fucking 5pm

[hoary copper]

just this AM?

[midnight latch]

thats his typical form on anything concerning wow

[hoary copper]

^ or in general

[grim jay]

@hoary copper just boost what you feel is the best for you. not that leveling does take long anyways

[viscid helm]

ye u guys enjoy you're console game

[midnight latch]

I never heard the combination of "I like xyz " from him

[viscid helm]

WoW on mobile 2020

[midnight latch]

also he hates wotlk

[hoary copper]

I only have 4 left not at 110. Hunter, warrior, DK and DH.

[midnight latch]

I mean

[grim jay]

well as many classes are down to diablo level of play

I'm quite pissed aswell

so

can understand him

[keen inlet]

lol

I would actually argue

the talent/builds in diablo are more complex than WoW

more room to try/experiment with stuff, although ultimately it does end up with the same metas

[viscid helm]

the runes are

[hoary copper]

bring back talent trees from vanilla

[viscid helm]

if they are still called runes

[keen inlet]

They are.

[grim jay]

it was rather the amount of buttons to press

which I meant

😄

[viscid helm]

C O N S O L E

announced at the end of BFA

[turbid harbor]

can create new metas yourself on diablo

take a new passive and have everybody copy you

[viscid helm]

you mean

like i did with Alacrity

[turbid harbor]

yea but alacrity is garbage

[grim jay]

well final fantasy XIV is playable with controller and it is ways more complex regarding skills than wow ever was. and yet has more skills aswell

[viscid helm]

[manic vigil]

How is Rift looking these days? I remember quitting wow after they pruned the skill tree and migrating to rift for the big ass tree there was a fun game actually

[turbid harbor]

and nobody who wants to parse plays it 😄

[viscid helm]

yet i get r1 every week with it

[turbid harbor]

nice

[viscid helm]

Rift is pretty dead

i heard

[manic vigil]

[grim jay]

most mmorpgs are tbh

[viscid helm]

yeh

[hoary copper]

Didnt they have content issues or am I thinking GW2?

[viscid helm]

i think all of them fit

in that description

[warm parcel]

also about state of specs

[viscid helm]

is that wow killer mmo still alive

cant even remember its name

rofl

[warm parcel]

just stop listening to flowi cause he doesnt know anything and just keeps randomly talking

[viscid helm]

from vanilla devs

[grim jay]

the only mmorpgs with a considerable playerbase are wow, ffxiv, TESO and gw2

[midnight latch]

GW2 devs also stated that they dont feed u content 24/7 and its ok to quit the game and come back later

BDO has quite a big playerbase now aswell

[hoary copper]

I mean gw2 had quite a bit, but idk I got bored

[grim jay]

BDO is like

90% asian

[midnight latch]

they have 2.8mil active accounts in us and 2.6 in EU

[viscid helm]

wtf is the name of the mmo

wildstar

thats it

has it been shutdown

[grim jay]

what do you consider active? isnt it like you buy that game for 10 euro and your account is active? 😄

[midnight latch]

I have no idea they release an infographic in january about the state of the game

[hoary copper]

I'd play a mesmer like class with WoW, prob be better replacement for arcane at this point

[grim jay]

@viscid helm steam has wildstar on 150 players average

😄

[viscid helm]

In February 2016, NCSOFT closed the game's PvP servers for being under-populated and those users were merged with the two remaining PvE servers

[midnight latch]

I found something on swtor aswell few weeks back they have like 400k subs rolling or something

still running somehow

considering they have to pay quite a sum for the star wars license shit

and they announced a new expansion last week

[grim jay]

well 400k isnt too much

[keen inlet]

NCSoft

Killed City of Heroes/Villains, yet won't allow private servers to persist

[grim jay]

ffxiv and wow are both at 10m+ peaks

[keen inlet]

they're kinda a scumbag company tbh

[hoary copper]

I wanted to like swtor, but I just couldnt get into it

[viscid helm]

yeh i played swtor as well

the leveling was decent

[midnight latch]

only thing with NCSoft that comes to mind which leaves a really bad taste in my mouth was Invictus vindictus? cant even remeber how that shit was called

[viscid helm]

but end game was fucking shitshow

i mean it had worse PvP than WoW

that's saying a lot

[grim jay]

tera is a fun mmorpg

but endgame is shitty aswell

with the lockouts

[keen inlet]

SWTOR had its heart in the right place, storytelling was great. Not enough visual impact of gear/etc for my tastes, though...and the abilities/talents/etc felt like 5 years steps backward (and not in a good way)

@viscid helm awww c'mon I had a lot of fun in Huttball

[midnight latch]

@hoary copper well they blew all the money on story telling which is really reeaaaaaally good

[keen inlet]

(it was a clown fiesta though, you're right)

[midnight latch]

also its fully voiced

which is insane for an mmo

[grim jay]

what happened to BnS btw?

lol

[midnight latch]

P2W hit haaaard

[viscid helm]

man

BnS

had such an amazing pvp

[grim jay]

had potential smh

[viscid helm]

1v1

[midnight latch]

yeah it really did

and than they went like
if you wanna stay competitve how bout u get that credit card ready?

[hoary copper]

Yea I liked the storytelling, its why I like FFXIV. The plot is pretty decent, except if you're trying to catch up

[midnight latch]

I started ff last week

am lvl 40

[hoary copper]

You must complete these 200 quests before you can do stuff

[midnight latch]

have no fuckin idea whats going on

something something crystals

[grim jay]

you can buy the shortcut for like 18 euro tho

😄 😄 😄

[midnight latch]

blue red yellow

[hoary copper]

I really like how they did red mage (at least when it came out, idk what its like now)

Everyone and their mother was a red mage tho

[grim jay]

low dps and only useful for progress

😄

[midnight latch]

everyone and there mother is now samurai or Blackmage

cause DAMAGE

[grim jay]

monk is #1 dps atm tho

[hoary copper]

rdm was op when it came out before it was balanced

[midnight latch]

@grim jay summoner would like to have a word with u

[hoary copper]

Monk usually is, I liked them and drg

[midnight latch]

or I have looked at the wrong logs

[grim jay]

summoner is one of the best rangeds tho

but still less than blm sam and monk

on same level of play tho

[hoary copper]

smn when the expansion started was crap and everyone was rerolling and complaining. sounds like they fixed it

[grim jay]

summoner is great for pvp tho

[hoary copper]

smn was my main during the last xpac

Plus scholar heals were fun (minus the micromanaging)

[grim jay]

im having fun on my blm, sam, monk and nin tho

nin has the lowest damage rn, but most benefit for the whole raid

they gonna balance that out

they said

[midnight latch]

trying my hands on ninja actually

[manic vigil]

What game are you talking about I kinda got lost

[midnight latch]

low end duties thou

[hoary copper]

My ms doesnt let me play nin, but its so much fun

ffxiv

[midnight latch]

getting locked into 2 spells

[fallow finch]

I love this assassination discussion we got going here 🤔

[midnight latch]

DON STARTED IT

[hoary copper]

My fingers almost dont move fast enough to get all the ninjitsu in before the gcd

[grim jay]

been a while since I leveled with low duties tho. going for POTD till 60 and pvp till 70

[midnight latch]

save space

[manic vigil]

Garrote rupture mutilate

[fallow finch]

1 cp rupture 🤔

[midnight latch]

he has shoulders due

2cp

[manic vigil]

I'm just saying sin words

Duh

[fallow finch]

The only word we need is

[midnight latch]

wait lemme give u something

[manic vigil]

Is it a hug?

Who am I kidding, it's never a hug

[viscid helm]

[grim jay]

yesterday was international "send-a-nude-day"

hope you didnt forget

[hoary copper]

You mean the only word you need is

[grim jay]

nudes > hugs

[midnight latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/367803384771903501/432280646438748161/concernedpopcorn.JPG?width=819&height=317

[hoary copper]

damn, no one sent nudes. I feel jipped

[fallow finch]

Alacrity > Tb 🤔

[manic vigil]

Can't read that emoji

Halp

[midnight latch]

@manic vigil

[manic vigil]

[midnight latch]

senD DuDes

[hoary copper]

You can send dudes too, Im ok with that

[manic vigil]

[grim jay]

ha

[jovial kite]

Dont sn dudea

[hoary copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnlGKb3ngxQ Uhm the new shadowbolt animation

[midnight latch]

@jovial kite go back drinking

pick up the phone while out drinking

fckin rude

[jovial kite]

Im in a cab

[keen inlet]

@hoary copper I like the 5 minute video for something that could be done in 30s

classic youtube, never change

[hoary copper]

Yea most of it his him standing there

FLYING CUBES!

[midnight latch]

so you are here for...starts rambeling.....25minutes later so lets get to how you actually do this

[keen inlet]

Yeeeeeep.

[midnight latch]

like comment subscribe

[steep obsidian]

ergh

[hoary copper]

Almost forgot how fun aoe is on fire mage till last night trying to do my weekly mythics. Pull up to first boss, living bomb, cinderstorm and insta flamestrikes. Even at 930 I ended at like 2.4m

[midnight latch]

try unholy with defile and class ring

get out dpsed by frost dk spamming only scythe

[grim jay]

I would enjoy unholy so much. if there wasnt DA

[midnight latch]

whats wrong with artillery brynhilde

[hoary copper]

Frost DK/Mage are the whackamole specs. If it lights up, press it for max dps

[manic vigil]

Unholy frost

[hoary copper]

What was that kid as a game that lit up and you pressed it? Simon?

[manic vigil]

Simon says

Creepy af

[hoary copper]

press it, twist it, bop it....

[manic vigil]

Oh that thing

[hoary copper]

If you can play that, you can play frost

[manic vigil]

Cba gearing my dk to try it tbh

[hoary copper]

Spose thats true

[manic vigil]

I like frost mage simple? Sure. But it feels fun, too

[hoary copper]

fb fb fb fb....no procs .... fb fb fb....fuck!

[manic vigil]

Doesn't happen often tho

[keen inlet]

You're doing it wrong, Bruen

It's FB-FB-FB-FB-no procs-reroll

To sin, obviously

no RNG here none whatsoever

[hoary copper]

ha true

Ive never been a fan of frost mage. Prob resentment from beinf forced to spec it in vanilla. Maybe someday arcane will be fixed

[manic vigil]

Always a pyromaniac myself but frost is alright as well

Arcane tho

I mean the burst potential is

But meh

Good sin talk btw

Mutilate rupture toxic blade

[hoary copper]

yea, 3 min mage was fun in pvp back in the day. AP POM Pyro and run away

I need to do my weekly mythics on my rogue, but I'll prob get some haste mastery crap like I did on my mage

[keen inlet]

EXCUSE ME

is this

[manic vigil]

That's just how it goes. Meanwhile my aff has a whole collection of crit mastery necks I could put to good use on my rogue

[keen inlet]

altered time

[hoary copper]

Yep

[hoary copper]

Or I'll get something in slot with leggos (which also happened on mage). Dumb rng

Poor tom getting kicked

We're talking about rogue and weeklys now

[manic vigil]

We are talking about our sin rogues, don

[hoary copper]

Maybe I'll get lucky and get a 945 MA relic

actually it would need 2

[manic vigil]

You are not getting lucky

Sorry

[hoary copper]

Story of my life

[manic vigil]

Don is rude yeah

[echo estuary]

Donrude

Dududududu

[zealous dew]

I just realized that my kb dmg sucks

[hoary copper]

Don Rudese

[dense blaze]

Would placing multiple campfires in a boss room to cover the most area for the extra 4 vers be too extra?

[jovial kite]

[vestal wren]

i tent to place a campfire close to the boss

[manic vigil]

[hoary copper]

fuu tents

[safe matrix]

thats pretty intents

[manic vigil]

[echo estuary]

Oh you, such a tentalizer

[manic vigil]

[jade lion]

When is it worth spending <5 combo points

[fallow estuary]

If you have 4 🤔

[shut willow]

@onyx falcon -- just saw your question from last night. I'll check, but I think that simmed almost 150k less

[sullen mountain]

[strange python]

guys where i can read all the rogue changes in bfa

[keen inlet]

@strange python on wowhead

[supple hearth]

Or MMO champ

[arctic venture]

I have a question and I would like to know if anyone can help me. I have 3 Master Assassin relics 945, a relic of toxic blades 960 and in her traits has Master Assassin, would it be just like having a Master Assassin relic equipped?

[turbid harbor]

yes

[onyx falcon]

@shut willow thats... kinda shocking, but alright o.o

[arctic venture]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[hoary copper]

Isn't Tom on EU Ragnaros as Mathyler or something?

[sullen mountain]

[hoary copper]

I just saw someone useful with that and I thought I remembered tom as having that. Was a bit shocked he has been helpful.

[keen inlet]

?

[turbid harbor]

?

[midnight latch]

?

[hoary copper]

https://gyazo.com/5c5281db7124e1115a15d0c3520b512b

All 3 specs tho, that doesnt sound like Tom

[jovial kite]

Gus

Guys

Im fucking winnig

[warm parcel]

#off-topic btw

[jovial kite]

ops

[midnight latch]

[hoary copper]

Same thing

[midnight latch]

he is drunk

[echo estuary]

just koskenkorva things

[hoary copper]

When isnt he drunk?

[midnight latch]

at work? guessing rn

[vestal wren]

"i am fucking winning"
10 mins later
"but my hand was soo good"

[manic vigil]

drunk slagg gambling, what could go wrong?!

[echo estuary]

poker aint gambling

[midnight latch]

said every gamble addict

[strange python]

that is tom Bruen

ik because he was bugging me on reddit

[manic vigil]

redditor btw

[strange python]

letting ravenholdt see my reddit name was not the smartest decision

[normal plover]

sucker

[midnight latch]

[viscid helm]

someone link the reddit post

[normal plover]

did gouge have a position requirement before or is that totally new

[warm parcel]

it once upon a time had

[jovial kite]

I won

[normal plover]

incoming backstab requirement again? lol

[safe matrix]

I dunno when they changed it, but you had to be infront to gouge

[normal plover]

I remember all the drama over finally removing the requirement for being 'behind' things, so I thought it was funny they added one in again

[warm parcel]

add what again

[normal plover]

a positional requirement

[spare cloud]

@hoary copper Must be fun to bash on someone who's banned, but in the end has given more helpful advice than you ever will 🤷

[echo estuary]

is it just me or is there are a sexual innuendo looming

[strange python]

thats kind of harsh, seemed like a lighthearted comment

[sullen mountain]

[echo estuary]

What is it like in Toms discord?

[warm parcel]

wonder if it found its way back to gouge on accident

[turbid harbor]

gouge has a positional requirement on live though

[warm parcel]

and even ep was changed to 4

I know

on alfa it does

[echo estuary]

just glyph it Kappa, pruned

[spare cloud]

we're having parties on voice every day

so its fun

[viscid helm]

if i wanna be in tankchat

i'll join tankchat

[spare cloud]

Thats where the snitches go

[viscid helm]

[spare cloud]

so you're good

[echo estuary]

TOPH

What is it like in Toms discord?

[spare cloud]

look

what i wrote

like 4 lines above

[echo estuary]

hmmmmmm

Can Bruen join?

[spare cloud]

but you're not one of the firsts to step out and help either

[hoary copper]

I didnt say I was

[spare cloud]

In fact I've never even seen you help someone

But well, could be when im not on so thats not really a valid arguement

[hoary copper]

I cant look at logs at work, and Zempai and noobe are generally better at it anyway and are always here. I usually help with general easier stuff.

[echo estuary]

i'm not helpful either 😭

[spare cloud]

You are here to manipulate ravenholdt about politics though

thats different

I mean friendly banter is fine 🤷 Just doesn't look like friendly banter when the person its directed to can't see it

[viscid helm]

but he can see it

[spare cloud]

[echo estuary]

illuminati confirmed

[strange python]

Tom is always watching

[spare cloud]

See perelman

your love has been seen

[hoary copper]

I was asking if that was him because the name looked familiar. Guess thats bashing.

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/cc5011f0898193b06c63d86d5dd78262

weird way to ask if its him

[turbid harbor]

😎

[spare cloud]

Have you tried actually asking

Oh you did

[hoary copper]

I did

[spare cloud]

[hoary copper]

All 3 specs, I didnt think he played all 3

[echo estuary]

God i wish someone made a slowmo fastthonk

[hoary copper]

Then wouldnt it be slowthonk?

[spare cloud]

I mean its a gif, so you can just slow it down online

[keen inlet]

for the hundred

millionth

time

I swear to the void lords I will keep posting this meme until y'all get it through your T H I C C highmountain tauren skulls

[zealous dew]

lul

[heavy linden]

i dont think he likes off topic much, swearing to the void lords and all 😳

[thin plinth]

guys how can i sim myself with the lego shoulders

[spare cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

go to gear compare and place shoulders inside there

[thin plinth]

ty

[strange rover]

why does the assassination guide say to use versa food buff over mastery?

[viscid helm]

guide writer probably a noob

🤷

[thin plinth]

how is this a thing

[stark heart]

what is wrong with that?

[keen inlet]

@strange rover Ah that's incorrect.

[stark heart]

multiple lego combos are viable for Assa

depends on your tier/stats

[vestal wren]

the darkmoon versa food might be stronger then mastery

[stark heart]

and talents you picked

[thin plinth]

it says i will do less dmg with the shoulders

i cant imagine that

[stark heart]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid helm]

actually Don

the newer vers food

[plain thistle]

🤦

he is assuming that shoulder is bis for everyone isnt he?

[keen inlet]

That's the one in the guide

[spare cloud]

@thin plinth care to elaborate?

[thin plinth]

whatdo you mean

[strange rover]

so 1% versa is better then 4% mastery? at least i get 4% from the delicacy platter, i just wanna make sure im understanding

[vestal wren]

4% mastery food

nice

[spare cloud]

Your statement

[stark heart]

there is nothing wrong with shoulders not being better

mantle is not some ultra op legendary

[strange rover]

well i mean, the versa gives you 1%, but the 375 mastery i get from the delicacy platter gives me 4% mastery is what i mean

[keen inlet]

@strange rover It's incorrect. You're going to want mastery or crit food, more than likely. Although simming will tell you.

[strange rover]

ok ty

[keen inlet]

raidbots.com

easy, fast, fun

[viscid helm]

but vers food superior