#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 2820

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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btw. i lvld a wl and hunter on vanilla

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but started after initial lvls

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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eq/rs had better crafting

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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but i didnt experience all the "pro stuff"

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:19 PM

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its not like wow did anything better than the other MMOs, except for maybe pve endgame (i.e.raids)

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it just had the mass-appeal, allowing for a shitton of servers that eventually created their own sub-communities which is what made people enjoy the game

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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well it let you do content solo

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rather then requireing groups

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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it combined most of the interesting features other games had into a single game

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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so that was kind of new

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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it succeeded in some aspects, failed in others

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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you rly did a lot of things in groups. there were way more group quests

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you also grouped for quests in mines etc cause of respawn timers etc

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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you were grouped up for the majority of the time

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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sure but you where not forced to have a group to progress

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whatw as by the time not common

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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you started a quest with some fellas you invited and then sticked with the group

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for hours

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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because everyone was in this frenzy of "omg this is amazing, i need someone to talk to about it"

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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talking about random stuff

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also traded some stuff etc. it was rly great

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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sure you werent forced, but it naturally happened that you grouped up

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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lvl 40 grouped with healers to grind mobs

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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for group/elite quests, and stuck to that group

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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wasnt fun though

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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I cant wait for DH's in classic

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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it was, and it will never come back. I am suggested it wont happen on classic realm again

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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i cant wait to play my bloodelf paladin on classic

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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i still remember doing ZA with this grp and we had like a lv50 paladin with us, a healer, who would just solo packs after we wiped to some stupid shit, felt amazing, and i stayed in contact with those guys for years

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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Im gonna go shaman ally in classic

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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since it was new for everyone

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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xD

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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it felt completely different

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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it will be the same game

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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thats something thats not going to happen with the rerelease

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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nothing changed, so you will have the same feeling

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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you will have people who are new to classic, and you will have people who played it already

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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you cant ever feel the same even if you didnt play classic 😄

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too biased of new (and better systems)

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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it isnt "new" anyway ..

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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its the same as saying you cant experience the new witcher bc. you didnt play it on release day

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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back then most ppl were noobs and wow was the first mmorpg

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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it will be far worse now

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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dude

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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thats apples and oranges though

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its like you cant experience any game the same again when you completed it once

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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most vanilla stuff is so outdated

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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it will be the same experience, just that the enviroment around it evolved

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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how would you enjoy it if you have "newer" stuff

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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so you will have the same experience

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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it wont be the same experience

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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its like you go back to black and white tv

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and say "you can experience the same like ppl in the 60'"

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or whenever

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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the time you drove y our first car, no matter how shitty it was, was something special

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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you cant cause you experienced full hd already

viscid helm Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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still better than BFA so who cares omegalul

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:25 PM

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now, 30 years later, when you get that same car again, its not going to be the same

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or rather

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driving it will be the same

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but it wont "feel" the same

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which is what im talking about

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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ppl can enjoy the "lvling not for being fast and efficient but meeting ppl and gather"

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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what will feel diffrent

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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but not the "wow this is all new to me"

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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it will "feel" worse because youve had 30years of car development that you compare it to now

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okay so

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something simple as loot

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it will not feel nice

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to have loot drop

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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so many ppl get stucked on the bwl raid tier .. today on privet realms they chees this shit out

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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and everyone has to write N or G or S in chat

swift pine Apr 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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ive played both vanilla and legion recently and prefer vanilla over legion by a lot

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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so you know what everyone wants to do with the item

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youre so used to easier loot-allocation

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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i did not like legion

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but i am maybe the minority

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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that the way we used to do it 15 years ago

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just feels ancient and bad

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im not looking forward to vanilla from a gameplay-perspective

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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it does not feel bad for me to work on a windows xp system

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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im looking forward to it because it has "community-driven" written all over it, which legion does not

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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i loved my 1h fury warrior on classic :)))

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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it still feels the same as when it was an actual system

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even tho it has less features 😉

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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and i play MMOs to be part of a community

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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and the OS enviroment/etc changed

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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and wow doesnt really enable that anymore

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except for m+

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what type of new communities have emerged in the past few expansions?

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rated BGs were on a good way, but then they made it shit

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server-communities are nonexistant

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:28 PM

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class discords, idk

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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community moved to discord/twitch/reddit

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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class-based community have always existed

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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technically vanilla lvling was bad and exhausting.
mana regen was dog shit
everything did too much dmg
often stuff respawned too fast
you didnt have any noticable gear for a long time
as caster you used wands most of the time
as melee you regen after every 2 mobs and if you pull more than 2 you prob die
way less fly points
no stuff like aoe loot
no stuff like scaling lvling
no stuff like "do w/e quests you like there are dozens of quests and areas you can quest" < you ll run out of quests in vanilla

thats all stuff that got improved and you experienced in improved version

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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theyre only easier to get into now, thanks to stuff like discord

fast nacelle Apr 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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which is totally fine
vanilla wasnt perfect or even good. but still the best for 2000's standards

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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i hate everyone saying "community moved to xyz"

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thats just different ways of communication, but in order to build a community, you need to have a foundation to build it on

swift pine Apr 17, 2018, 3:29 PM

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it made leveling a challenge, a journey it wasn't something to just rush through

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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and wow doesnt deliver that foundation anymore

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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i assume there are more sides to the medal

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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medals are a circle

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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discord, twitch etc. are all just means of communicating inside that community, but you dont build one there. even here, we are a rogue community, based on a class inside wow, using discord as a means of communication, but the foundation is still based inside the game

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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everyone has diffrent opinions and perspectives on vanilla. We will see once its out how well it manages to attract players

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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and over the past 10-15years blizzard has repeatedly robbed people of what their foundation was based on

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by creating lfr, crossrealm etc.

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vanilla doesnt have those, and thats what i personally am looking forward to

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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now ive to play with zombie pugs 😦

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wiping aggra hc

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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becasue it means people actually have to talk to each other again

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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you do not sit before og for hours chatting now

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you did that back in earlier iterations

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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have to play with the same people, need to behave because otherwise they will quickly become an outcast etc.

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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ppl spend more time doing shit ingame, now we move more to efficient time management

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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i know i spent hours upon hours just sitting in ironforge or dalaran

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talking to people who did the same

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just idling while waiting for guildies to come on or whatever

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talking to each other

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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if you are german you can just watch barlows yt video about vanilla

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he sums it up quite good

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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ive spent hours in front of IF doing duels with other similar-minded people, and sometimes we wouldnt duel but talk for an hour or two, or start a BG grp

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we didnt jsut log-in to do something specific, with random people we didnt give a shit about

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it was the other way around. we logged in to see who was online, and do something we were interested in doing together as a group activity

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and since group-sizes were usually larger back then, atleast for easy-to-setup activities like dungeons, you almost always had to find a few random people who you then got to know, because youve already seen them ride around in your capital hundreds of times

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none of this is possible now

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so fuck legion and bfa

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long live vanilla/tbc

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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🤔

marble elm Apr 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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vanilla reeing has moved to this channel

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i see

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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oh, and #tertiarystatswereamistake

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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not sure if automatic translated subtitles are good, but this is rly a 💎 (german)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM-Nngsvmk0

viscid helm Apr 17, 2018, 3:37 PM

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I feel like at this point blizzard might as well remove Mastery all together

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it's becoming Vers 2.0 more and more

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cos they are obviously to lazy to redesign it to actually something different for all classes

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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while i didnt like it personally, the design of something like the combat-bracers is what mastery/azerite traits/talents should be like

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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BfA really not looking appealing to me atm, even less after talked about it here hours ago

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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somethat that significantly alters your playstyle, and you choosing which playstyle to take (with one always being better for raiding than others obviously)

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but coming up with stuff like that isnt easy i suppose

viscid helm Apr 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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idk it can't be that hard

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to make it something special for everyone

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rather than %increased shadow dmg

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or frost dmg

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or holy dmg

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etc

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i mean they came up with bunch of artifact traits for every class

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sure some where just flat % dmg for specific spell

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ik

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god bless

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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hm

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assa mastery

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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they were too busy with making gcd

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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"you got a x% chance per combopoint used on rupture/envenom to proc a poisonbomb, scaling with mastery"

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id like that :p

viscid helm Apr 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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yeh something different

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rather than % increased dmg

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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or rather "to make your next enveom cast proc a poison bomb"

viscid helm Apr 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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which affects like 90% of our skills

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in BFA

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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so you can actually hold it if you want to

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for burst aoe or whatever

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fuck no

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all tertiary stats are godawful

viscid helm Apr 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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Multi caused a lot of server issues

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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armor pen

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:44 PM

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even armor pen was kinda shit

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and all the new stats after mastery are just bad in my opinion

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mastery was a nice thing to give classes some more flavour

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:46 PM

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nyanPls

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:47 PM

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i was thinking something naugthy

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but thanks for not going there

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Weebs

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DansGame

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:50 PM

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👺 forsenWhip gachiBASS

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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I liked the vanilla discussion tbh

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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which one?

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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Sel makes some good points

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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number 2817 or 2816?

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Hehe

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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well, i spent a lot of time thinking about why i dont enjoy wow the way i used to do

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Tbh don's no transmog point shocked me

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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that ultimately led me to the conclusion i base my arguments for vanilla on

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:53 PM

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Not a transmog nerd but looking like a clown sucks

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:53 PM

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i think a lot of people are just looking through the rose-tinted glasses and hope that vanilla wil magically fix everything, which it wont

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i mean

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youre not looking at your character during raid

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and most people i know just had a different gear-set they would equip when going "casual" and sitting in if/og/dalaran for hours to talk to people

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Also a fair point

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:54 PM

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friend of mine was always wearing a pink robe and the engineering fishing helmet

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:54 PM

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Plus noggenfogger

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LUL

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:54 PM

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yeah

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used like 15k noggenfogger on my dk over the course of wotlk

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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I found it baffling that fuu didn't see that you can't have the same experience now than you could have back then tbh

warm parcel Apr 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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jose*

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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Yeah I'm a noggaholic still

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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http://puu.sh/A56ld/99608af351.jpg http://puu.sh/A56mz/9d775d3d5c.jpg

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the second one is just from one expac, and i didnt play my dk anymore during ICC

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<

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now you know why marin has a vault full of gold

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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you made marin

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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we all did

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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LuL3d

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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i actually stopped using noggenfogger when i transfered to horde back in cata

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i just never liked the hu-female attack animations i g uess

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or preferred the ud-male ones

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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ud females got good attack ones

warm parcel Apr 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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I wouldnt mind if the animations werent broken

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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hu-female was always spinning in circles

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annoyed the fuck out of me

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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Yeah human female two hand is still gross

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Literally swinging like a girl

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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yeah, that was horrible on my dk

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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LUL

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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every style made you pirouette

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Yeah

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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so spamming noggenfogger 24/7 was a rational solution

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what was the price for 5 of them? 40s?

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Ikr

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Not sure

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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ate a lot of gold :<

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not even close to respec-costs tho

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no dualspec is going to be one of the big offenders for a lot of people, since i expect it to stay out of vanilla

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Well I played mage and I was okay with the casting animations there. But I was addicted to being small

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Because the animations are quicker and it feels faster

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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feelycraft

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Yes

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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that shadowrelic from vault is an never ending story

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:03 PM

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hm

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i got one thats haunting me, mephistrophs nail, got like 30 of them

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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trait ?

grave pagoda Apr 17, 2018, 4:05 PM

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Hey, can someone pls rank the legendary for me. Best to worst

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:05 PM

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the pin in the top

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is the best legendary

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:05 PM

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pins angery

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:06 PM

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i mean ive good relics at least .. 7malch/bb/env/ma 2x shock 1xmos

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but iam looking for decent MA

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stuff

grave pagoda Apr 17, 2018, 4:07 PM

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Is it possible to look at pons from the phone app, cant see it anywhere

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Nvm

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:07 PM

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something like this @strange python http://puu.sh/A56ID/c61e4f81d1.jpg

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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yap

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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got 3 of them

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3shadow, 3iron

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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take the right side

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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but i am never lucky on shadow/blood spots

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..

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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PK slave though

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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yeah, my crucible-weights are a bit weird

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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but anyway WoD>vanilla

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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yikes

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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wod combat was the shit though

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played it 25 minutes

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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mop combat > wod combat

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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and easily picked it up

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👀

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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ye clicking a table is combat

grave pagoda Apr 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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The pin dint mention the argus legendary ring. Is it any good at all. Sry for the questipos but did just resentlybstart playing again.

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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nah, its terrible

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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ive two relics with ma/malch and torment the weak but there are only 940 and it ends up in an dps lose .. its only a gain for exsang .. simming arround on 2.260...

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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i need a better pk/malch blood relic, mine has shadowbind :/

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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I was a disc priest in wod kappa

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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the other two pk/malchs have shocklight though :3

stark heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Shieldbot

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Ye

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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i have triple energettic stabbing/mastery/weakpoint on my sub

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in bags

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but i'm gutripper slave

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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yeah

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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ive sacrificed to much relics in the past

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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technically

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your neither

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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xD

grave pagoda Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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While im lacking wrist and shoulders a boot / head is the best to go then?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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youre a monk-reroller

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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no 7/7 gutripper

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WHAT DO YOU MEAN

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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which is the worst rogue-spec of them all

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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And fucking all healers on farm. Can't heal if no one loses hp. Uni op bigWOW

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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head is good

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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I PLAYED ROGUE TODAY

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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http://puu.sh/A56Rl/a02dd07a09.jpg

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made that

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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well

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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3sec ago

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:12 PM

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i'm just online ok

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🕵

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need to start using offline mode

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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need to idle on your rogue

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if you want me to consider you one

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:14 PM

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i wanna dooooo some recleaaaaaaaaars ...

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:14 PM

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i made a severe mistake

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of not making warlock though

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i have like 8 warlock leggo tokens already

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so big chances are i get something that is decent at least

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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its a sign

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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just need sephuz

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rest doesnt matter

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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ya'll need jesus

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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but ranged isnt my thing

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especially pet classes

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never liked that concept

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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theres no pet-classes anymore

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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rogues are warriors pets thou

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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seli gogo loot some decent mephistros for me

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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that sentence

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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😛

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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reminds me of the picture from tbc

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of the warrior who had a mace-rogue strapped ontop of his mace

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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rogues kitet warriors in the past :p

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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http://i.imgur.com/nOrir.jpg

Imgur

With all the CC in PvP right now, This image seems relevant.

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good old times

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innocent times

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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i'd love to play spriest

#

but spriest is just meme

#

and my spriest got kj as 1st leggo

#

so i just

#

ditched it

#

still rethinking if i should delete it already

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

#

i dont need mephistrophs, i already got 2x955 malch/mos/mass shadow-relics that i dont use, dont need a third :x

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

#

mace rogue was fun

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

#

u should loot for me man :p

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

#

nah

#

once i trade it, the NLC traits become worse

#

only works for me :3

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

#

hopefully i dont become mad and sacrifice my shit and go bleed build

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

#

go alac

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

#

ive 1bb and 2x shocklight

#

maybe it worxx

acoustic yacht Apr 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

#

I just simmed with shoulder+head vs shoulder+boots and shoulder+head does more dps why?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

#

still remember how it hurt replacing my 895 rupture-damage relic with a 860master assassin one back during EN :x

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

but it was an huge gain seli

#

Too many variables to know for sure

#

45vendetta

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

yeah

#

still

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

and then nerfed

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

was my first 895 item

#

from a halls of valor

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

best times in legion

#

😄

#

first content

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

but yea

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

as exsang

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

having triple MA and vendetta boots back then

#

you were a god

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

theres multiple reasons why that legendary combo could be better for you @acoustic yacht

lone creek Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

DEing a 975 FoN/MAss relic FeelsGoodMan

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

#

most likely one is that you have good non-legendary boots, but your non-legendary helmet is kinda bad

#

the top4 legendaries for assa are all fairly close in strength

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

#

ive become argus relic 975 with malch :(((((

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

#

so off-pieces can easily tip the scales in favour of one specific combo

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

#

head mantle is straight of my best setup too

#

mate

prisma gull Apr 17, 2018, 4:28 PM

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Woohoo

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:28 PM

#

2.341.633 DPS crown/mantle .. with deeperstrategem 5-6k+ on sim, my bracer/boots setup is 6k behind(ns with subt. 2k) and mantle bracers 12k

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:29 PM

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5-12k youdontsay

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:29 PM

#

but yeah there are even close

#

2p4p 2.313 :8

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:30 PM

#

Worth

prisma gull Apr 17, 2018, 4:30 PM

#

5 tries today, 10 in total, sin mage tower complete! 😄

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

#

not doing assa magetower firsttry :x

prisma gull Apr 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

#

half of those fails was me not putting sigryn on focus for blinds lol

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

#

i didnt :/ but ive done it on release

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

#

anyway, congrats

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

#

have 10 attempts arround

prisma gull Apr 17, 2018, 4:31 PM

#

ty 😄

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:32 PM

#

vault18 only german, lets go .. xd

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

#

Germans DansGame

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

#

😃

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:33 PM

#

2.348m with triple PK

#

feelsgood

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

#

Europe is the worst country tbh

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

#

Agreed

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

#

its ok man

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

#

Fucking commies, all of them

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

#

i think u dont need to live there

prisma gull Apr 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

#

as a eurotrash I can confirm

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:35 PM

#

question, are there cases where you'd alter the rotation listed in the Assassination guide?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:35 PM

#

if you happen to have multiple PK relics, you may want to fok at 3+ CP instead of mutilate

#

and then finish 4+ as usual

#

apart from that, no

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:36 PM

#

seli how much pk traits needed ? 5 ? 6 ?

#

7 ?

#

lül an shadowpriest mindcontrolled me and put me into the dungeon

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:37 PM

#

to fok at 3+ instead of muti?

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:37 PM

#

😭

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:37 PM

#

2 or 3, depends on your gear

#

for me its ~25k dps gain to fok instead of muti

#

with 3 relics

#

so 2 might be the threshold where its better

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:38 PM

#

so u are sitting on 7pk

#

reasons m+

#

😄

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:38 PM

#

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:38 PM

#

I'm gonna guess pk is poison knives?

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:39 PM

#

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:39 PM

#

yes

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:40 PM

#

for normal raids not used to really watching my relics, but I'm starting to think for H+ they're gonna make a big diff?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:40 PM

#

compared to just weapon-ilvl, assa benefits greatly from having the right relics, yes

#

you can check on herodamage.com how much of an impact its going to have

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

#

nods gonna guess with a poison build master alch is the best relic?

#

lol ok

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

#

noone saw that

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

#

peepoF

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

#

just check on herodamage 😃

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

#

ok

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

#

I saw and took a screenshot

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

#

link screen

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

#

Erm

#

No

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

#

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c6762NzUWXnXwgR5EmjXFf

Raidbots

#

thats 3xPK vs 3xMAss

#

~50k difference

#

used to be less, but i guess my gear has gotten better :/

#

or maybe its just because i only got 15k mastery in my singletarget gear now :/

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:45 PM

#

so is the boots/wrists combo the best with 4pc t21

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:45 PM

#

Big boi deeps peepothumb

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:45 PM

#

when all the other slots are on the same ilvl, thats usually the go-to combo, yes

#

since that rarely is the case, it is best to sim yourself and see what combination of legendaries and non-legendary pieces is ahead

#

where the fuck did i drop all my mastery that i only have 15k now :<

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

#

is there a cutoff on crit where it starts to become a diminishing return to stck it?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

#

once you hit 100%, yes

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

#

lol ok so never basically

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

#

pretty much, yes

#

im running 14k crit (with stacked eoc) right now and its still somewhat close in value to mastery

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

#

14k gachigasm

#

GieF

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

#

http://puu.sh/A5847/bc2b9dc717.png

#

:/

#

even with 14k

#

so yeah

#

crit is gud

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

#

wow

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

#

best use for swirly

#

second boss vault

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

#

++

#

well

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

#

niceee

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

#

as assa it doesnt matter as much

#

can just use mutilate

#

since it doesnt trigger the +10sec cd for some reason

#

probably because it hits twice or something like that

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

but for sub

#

playing a bit sub

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

for sub/combat its great, yes

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

its fun 😄

#

on low keys

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

"Combat"

#

slootRip

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

ive zipped my combat gear

#

:9

spare cloud Apr 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

rtb

chrome tuskBOT Apr 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

:game_die: rip rtb :game_die:

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

i hate having to update gearsets

#

:<

spare cloud Apr 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

imagine you had as many as the BRAH

#

then you would hate it even more

stable lichen Apr 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

So is loosing an ilvl or 2 within reason as long as crit and mastery go up quite a bit?

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

seli

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

got 15, so im not even close to his level :p

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

i dont find any crown/boots logs from u ? :p

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

usually @stable lichen the answer is yes

#

but as always, sim yourself

#

or rather, sim your statweights, and incorporate them into the game with the addon pawn

#

[With maintenance in each region] Damage of the following abilities increased by 4%: Marked Shot, Arcane Shot, Multi-Shot, Aimed Shot, Volley, Black Arrow, Bursting Shot, Piercing Shot, Windburst, Murder of Crows, Sidewinders, Barrage.

#

wtf?

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

#

Hunters are butt.

#

News @ 11

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:07 PM

#

firemage 6%

#

combat 4%

#

mm 4%

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

#

link plz?

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

#

Well you just posted hunter stuff sooo > _>

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

#

not on wowhead or mmochampion

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

#

https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1058549-hotfixes-april-17/

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

#

ty

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:08 PM

#

and affli "nerfed" because they fixed 4x proc on fatal echoes during reap

#

when it should be 2x

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 5:09 PM

#

Nice.

#

Buffs.

#

👍

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:09 PM

#

peepoF

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:10 PM

#

well

#

i used to be able to keep up with atleast one dps in my m+ grp

marble elm Apr 17, 2018, 5:11 PM

#

april 18th 2017

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:11 PM

#

but now that mage has gotten 3 consecutive aurabuffs, im the sucker afterall

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

#

Time to quit and wait for vanilla huh

#

kappa

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 5:12 PM

#

Bingo

flint fable Apr 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

#

xd

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:13 PM

#

gonna be another decade or so i think

#

before that happens

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

#

I suspect we see news this Blizzcon.

#

Along with some remake/remaster stuff.

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:14 PM

#

yeah

#

which is somewhat weird

#

to keep radio silence for an entire year

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

#

I imagine that they'd rather have something complete to show.

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

#

might be

#

then again

#

whats to "show"

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

#

eg. Here's how design mantra, and the changes we are making to make this not a fucking failure Day 1.

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

#

Improved the visuals for Patrol Captain Gerdo's Streetsweeper ability.

#

is this happening?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:15 PM

#

i mean

#

that line has been in every hotfix-update

#

for like 3months now

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

#

outlaw buffs

#

ez clap

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

#

buffing the one spec

#

that sims highest

#

:3

marble elm Apr 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

#

are u guys trolling?

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:16 PM

#

well sims highest yea

#

but you know how outlul is 😄

#

where is my sub buffs

#

so i can reroll back 😠

marble elm Apr 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

#

check the patch notes from 2016

#

there wasnt any in the ones from 2017

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

#

just give me +15% flat damage aura buff so i can compete 👀

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 5:17 PM

#

seli u mean mmhuntard reroll ?

#

and 18vault depleted by only germans

#

sad y.y

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

#

got trolled by my guildmate

#

those hotfixes are from 2017 😛

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

#

👏

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

#

@sage lintel well done

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 5:18 PM

#

ofc, i didnt read the headline

#

😛

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

#

cos still bugged then

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

#

Germans are bad, what else is new

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

#

unfortunate

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

#

angery

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:19 PM

#

i mean

#

this is from the hotfixes 2weeks ago

#

"Patrol Captain Gerdo's Streetsweeper ability should now always properly line up with its visual."

#

so, you know, the boss had some issues over the last year :p

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:21 PM

#

actually

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:21 PM

#

Xd

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:21 PM

#

have they finally fixed brh 3rd boss?

#

i think i havent done brh for like 2-3 weeks

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 5:21 PM

#

what was the issue

#

i did brh yesterday and didnt notice anything out of the ordinary

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:21 PM

#

you dont see lines

#

from bats

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 5:21 PM

#

from bats ?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:21 PM

#

no

#

its not fixed

lethal heart Apr 17, 2018, 5:22 PM

#

yea last time i did brh

#

it was fiesta on this boss

#

coz you run out of space

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:22 PM

#

yup

#

did a brh26 two weeks ago, wouldve intimed, but then we got cucked by the beams on that boss

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 5:22 PM

#

i did brh last night and all was fine

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:22 PM

#

and it was a depleto instead

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 5:23 PM

#

the lines where visible

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:23 PM

#

i did a run earlier this week and sometimes they were, sometimes they werent

#

and it was the same @ MDI this week

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:23 PM

#

Small indie company

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 5:24 PM

#

did 3 BrH last night, all three runs with invisible beams

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 5:25 PM

#

ohwei 😮

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 5:25 PM

#

😄

dire spoke Apr 17, 2018, 5:27 PM

#

https://www.pokewiki.de/images/thumb/0/08/Sugimori_102.png/250px-Sugimori_102.png

hoary copper Apr 17, 2018, 5:28 PM

#

Is that a warrior's favorite pokemon?

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:28 PM

#

pepethink

hoary copper Apr 17, 2018, 5:29 PM

#

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/sonicpokemon/images/1/1f/Magikarp_AG_anime.png/revision/latest?cb=20130520060359 Found the Outlaw

dire spoke Apr 17, 2018, 5:30 PM

#

outlaw uses aoe CD

#

... nothing happens

midnight latch Apr 17, 2018, 5:33 PM

#

hello is this the pokemon channel?

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 5:33 PM

#

seli 2349643 dps boots crown

#

and only 10k crit :9

hoary copper Apr 17, 2018, 5:34 PM

#

Yes it is Naya

midnight latch Apr 17, 2018, 5:34 PM

#

👌

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:34 PM

#

@midnight latch that avatar monkaMega peepoF

#

Not even angery

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:34 PM

#

cute as fuck

hoary copper Apr 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

#

Oh now we're the kitty channel?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

#

yes

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

#

I always hated Pokemon btw

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

#

https://giant.gfycat.com/WellmadeComposedIndianabat.webm

Gfycat

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▶ Play video

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

#

There, I said it

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:35 PM

#

cat-creation machine

hoary copper Apr 17, 2018, 5:36 PM

#

@manic vigil

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:36 PM

#

digimon > pokemon

#

thats for sure

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:36 PM

#

I hate them all

#

angrybunny

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

#

is there anything you dont hate?

hoary copper Apr 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

#

http://en.bcdn.biz/Images/2016/8/17/43a9c021-1082-45d0-b648-75d608a56564.jpg

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:37 PM

#

Plenty of things

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:43 PM

#

care to elaborate?

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:44 PM

#

I don't hate you

#

For starters

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:44 PM

#

okay

#

but i like digimon

#

and you dont

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:45 PM

#

So

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:45 PM

#

so i dont think ill ever consider marrying you

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:45 PM

#

Fair enough

hoary copper Apr 17, 2018, 5:46 PM

#

Poor Uni

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:46 PM

#

Quite interesting that not hating leads to considering marriage

#

Btw

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:47 PM

#

you miss every shot you dont take

#

so everyone i dont hate could be considered marriage material, yes

#

until i find a reason to hate them

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:48 PM

#

So you eventually hate everyone you are not married to?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:48 PM

#

makes sense to me

#

and no

#

thats not the logical conclusion

#

i dont consider anyone i hate for marriage

#

thats the logical conclusion, which makes sense

hoary copper Apr 17, 2018, 5:49 PM

#

So Im still in the running?!

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:49 PM

#

who are you?

#

uni has a strong meme-game

#

thats always a good thing

hoary copper Apr 17, 2018, 5:50 PM

#

Uni is a meme

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:50 PM

#

I'm confused

hard gust Apr 17, 2018, 5:50 PM

#

wow is murderous intent really better than infusion of light?

#

i thought infusion of light was like

#

:BIG:

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:51 PM

#

all the damage-proc traits have lost some value since they dont really scale

#

compared to, say, versa/mastery/crit that continue to scale with every gear upgrade

hard gust Apr 17, 2018, 5:51 PM

#

i must be stuck in days long past

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 5:52 PM

#

the procs were great during ToS

#

but now the stat-ones are all the rage

dire spoke Apr 17, 2018, 5:52 PM

#

I mean who doesn't have 980 yet, right?

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 5:53 PM

#

cmonBruh

hard gust Apr 17, 2018, 5:53 PM

#

<- this guy

#

:EZ: 👏

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 6:20 PM

#

i am still 969

#

xqz 970

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

#

joins a M+ group, spec sub, "dude play sin for slow or we kick you"

#

madness

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

#

oO

vestal wren Apr 17, 2018, 6:25 PM

#

nice^^

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 6:26 PM

#

slow in 15

#

MAH

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 6:26 PM

#

^^

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 6:26 PM

#

got ES relic from AHC

#

but it's only 945

#

and no ripper

#

pfisfisf

lost horizon Apr 17, 2018, 6:28 PM

#

Oh god it's a +15 and they made you swap?

#

Rip

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 6:29 PM

#

lul shantal

#

why you no sin?!

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

i want to play sub

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

yeah I was just commenting on the irony

#

just arrived at home, little late to the party I know

wispy zephyr Apr 17, 2018, 6:30 PM

#

best site or addon to sim?

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 6:31 PM

#

raidbots

#

https://i.imgur.com/zUbmPZy.gifv

Imgur

#

finally could use that again POGGERS

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 6:35 PM

#

LOL

#

epic

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 6:36 PM

#

is simyourself.com registered?

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

#

his site can’t be reached
www.simyourself.com’s server IP address could not be found.

#

it's mine now

#

😄

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 6:37 PM

#

peepoGGERS

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 6:38 PM

#

redirect to raidbots

#

problem solved

#

could also register in latvia for simyourse.lv

#

though in that case simyoselv would be better i suppose

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 6:44 PM

#

simyourself.com beschte

amber briar Apr 17, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

I simmed a 960 chaos talisman and my 915 cof simmed higher... How?

echo estuary Apr 17, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

selia you latvian? xd

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

🤷

keen inlet Apr 17, 2018, 7:02 PM

#

@manic vigil all about dat thicc gril in the blue shorts rockin' it

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

maybe you know, chaos talisman isn't a good trinket 🤷

keen inlet Apr 17, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

Kul'tiran identified

📎 unknown.png

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

just maybe tho

amber briar Apr 17, 2018, 7:03 PM

#

Yeah agility sucks

spare cloud Apr 17, 2018, 7:12 PM

#

WaitWut

vernal adder Apr 17, 2018, 7:18 PM

#

heHEE

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 7:19 PM

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nah im german

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saxon, to be precise

knotty sinew Apr 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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for the mage tower what do you use for the demon bitch that casts that ability?

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what do you use on here to stop it?

wise frigate Apr 17, 2018, 7:39 PM

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Blind

knotty sinew Apr 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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but she does it more than once?

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blind has a long cd

wise frigate Apr 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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Blind has reduced CD in the tower

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You'll be fine.

knotty sinew Apr 17, 2018, 7:40 PM

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oh thank u

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did it first try FeelsGoodMan

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 7:48 PM

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http://puu.sh/A5etH/6f5997428e.jpg

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i like my rng today

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6% pb in an entire m+ run

vapid moth Apr 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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303mill FoK damage. Is it usually that high on the list?

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 7:51 PM

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nah

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had to play cloak on a few pulls so tank could kite without losing aggro

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 7:52 PM

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gratz

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6%pb

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 7:52 PM

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yeah, fuck me right

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did an eoa with okire earlier, he had 700mil PB, i had 450

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not a good day i guess

vapid moth Apr 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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Norightto complain until you’ve had 0 pb

marble hemlock Apr 17, 2018, 7:55 PM

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i mean ive had 7min bossfights with 0 bombs so....

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we all did

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 7:56 PM

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yesterday one argus pull 13m pb dmg

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 7:59 PM

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no relic again

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they call me the neltharion boy

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have to play sin these pug tonks pull 2 mob at a time

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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https://gyazo.com/c2297d839305a156b0b1ae54a772ea39

Gyazo

vapid moth Apr 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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Sadly it’s useless

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For sin

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 8:08 PM

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lul

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I still have to sim it

vapid moth Apr 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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Yup. Have fun with the haste gloves

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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i use haste gloves

vapid moth Apr 17, 2018, 8:09 PM

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I do as well

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Not because I want to though

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 8:10 PM

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so give that head 😃

jade lion Apr 17, 2018, 8:11 PM

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Boosted a rogue because I didn’t want to realm transfer my old rogue...

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Why is my dmg output ass

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Almost least damage in every bg

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Ilvl 887 and artifact level 65

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 8:12 PM

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bg ?

strange python Apr 17, 2018, 8:13 PM

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you're highly undergeared, don't have proper stat weights

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and secondly, it's bgs

lean hill Apr 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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BG scales 100% off ilvl. So you are going to be the shittiest geared person most of the time

lost horizon Apr 17, 2018, 8:14 PM

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World quests drop upgrades for you at 887

grizzled trail Apr 17, 2018, 8:15 PM

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Hi guys, really trying to push my dps and was just wondering if there’s a rule of thumb on how long to hold vendetta to line up with vanish. Will link my log page in case u guys see something obvious I’m doin wrong.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/khadgar/showgun

lean hill Apr 17, 2018, 8:16 PM

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You hold vanish for vendetta, not the other way around

grizzled trail Apr 17, 2018, 8:16 PM

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Sorry to interrupt current convo

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 8:16 PM

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yes, you always delay vanish to use it with vendetta

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with shoulder

jovial kite Apr 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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Just do it

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grizzled trail Apr 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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Regardless of vendetta having say 50 seconds left?

jade lion Apr 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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Okay so i keep hearing there’s no pvp gear in legion, so so I just get the world quest gear or is there a specific set? Icy veins doesn’t list a particular set anymore

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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that shouldnt happen

lean hill Apr 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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@jade lion just wear the highest ilvl you have for pvp. Doesn't matter where it comes from

jade lion Apr 17, 2018, 8:17 PM

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Cool beans thanks all

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 8:20 PM

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@grizzled trail

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3 vanish either way

lean hill Apr 17, 2018, 8:21 PM

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@grizzled trail how you deal with vanish using wrist/shoulder really depends on fight length. If you will only get 2 uses of vanish in a fight it doesn't matter if you hold vanish for a while, you want it during execute and with vendetta

grizzled trail Apr 17, 2018, 8:22 PM

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Yeh that makes sense. Thanks guys

tidal sedge Apr 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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what build is better for gearing a fresh 110 poison or bleed?

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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poison

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easier to get gear for it than bleed

tidal sedge Apr 17, 2018, 8:25 PM

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okay cool

zealous dew Apr 17, 2018, 9:03 PM

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another NL without relic

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paying destro locks and dh to join me

frigid jasper Apr 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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is the 125% garrote dmg buff from Subterfuge permanent or only during stealth/subter?

gaunt moat Apr 17, 2018, 9:09 PM

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it remains for the duration of that garrote (aka "snapshotting")

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if you override it with a regular garrote, it will lose that damage bonus.

frigid jasper Apr 17, 2018, 9:10 PM

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so it's only when garrote is applied during stealth or subterfuge?

gaunt moat Apr 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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yes, if you chose subterfuge.

frigid jasper Apr 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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alright good to know

gaunt moat Apr 17, 2018, 9:11 PM

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same deal with nightstalker and rupture

lilac lily Apr 17, 2018, 10:12 PM

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Does the Crucible weight string on the guide accounts for the dr on the second MAss relic?

tacit ferry Apr 17, 2018, 10:12 PM

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speaking of vanish, what kill timer addon/weak aura is recommended

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for that

orchid cove Apr 17, 2018, 10:17 PM

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didnt someone post a blue post from earlier with buffs ? i cant find it anymore

drifting cloud Apr 17, 2018, 10:17 PM

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it was from 2017

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 10:20 PM

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yup, this one > https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1058549-hotfixes-april-17/

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2017

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 10:22 PM

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_>

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drifting cloud Apr 17, 2018, 10:23 PM

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you know thats the day not the year

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right

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 10:24 PM

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Oh right lemme get the year...

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📎 unknown.png

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odd year but it "checks out"

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 10:24 PM

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2049?

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 10:24 PM

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19... 49.

drifting cloud Apr 17, 2018, 10:24 PM

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or you know they dont post the year in the hotfix thread name

plain thistle Apr 17, 2018, 10:24 PM

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🤔

drifting cloud Apr 17, 2018, 10:26 PM

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https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/news/21365424 look its legion hotfixes from 2010

World of Warcraft

Hotfixes: April 10 - WoW

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sry I meant 2024

civic palm Apr 17, 2018, 10:27 PM

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Bingo.

manic vigil Apr 17, 2018, 10:33 PM

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peepoweird

humble crane Apr 17, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Finally broke 2.3

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void pecan Apr 17, 2018, 10:54 PM

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Gz

prime void Apr 17, 2018, 11:02 PM

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Yeah but do you parse well

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F the Sim. Rep the parse

heavy plover Apr 17, 2018, 11:12 PM

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📎 ok.png

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transmag

urban blaze Apr 17, 2018, 11:17 PM

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how do you break 2.3

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jesus

humble crane Apr 17, 2018, 11:26 PM

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Not since I swapped guilds to a more casual guild a couple months ago. New guilds kills are so godamn messy, have to clench my butthole wasting bulk energy keeping myself alive. Feelsbadman

fervent beacon Apr 18, 2018, 12:03 AM

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I'm getting close to breaking 2.3m sim. See you there @humble crane angery

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My mastery is at 204% now, but Crit 28%....

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 12:07 AM

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angery

humble crane Apr 18, 2018, 12:11 AM

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I got a neck upgrade from my cache that pushed me over

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sitting at 213% unbuffed now mastery

plain thistle Apr 18, 2018, 12:18 AM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/teDe6qKUYQffuuTDefMPG5 176% mastery 🤔

Raidbots

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don

strange python Apr 18, 2018, 12:19 AM

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owei 😮

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let me see

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my shoulder

signal oxide Apr 18, 2018, 12:26 AM

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📎 image.png

humble crane Apr 18, 2018, 12:27 AM

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I should try and sim with boots again @plain thistle . Haven't done it in a while

plain thistle Apr 18, 2018, 12:27 AM

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😛 my sim is with T20 2p

humble crane Apr 18, 2018, 12:27 AM

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ah yeah, I actually dont have any tier shoulder t20

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cause I mained a mage last tier lol

strange python Apr 18, 2018, 12:28 AM

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sitting on 945 helm

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-.-

plain thistle Apr 18, 2018, 12:28 AM

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😄

humble crane Apr 18, 2018, 12:30 AM

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I was playing outlaw for the first 6 mythic bosses lol. Swapped to assass about 2 months ago 😂

true warren Apr 18, 2018, 12:59 AM

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Do the bracers sim really low for some reason

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cause I got them out of my weekly box but they sim 3k lower than KJBW

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:01 AM

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you probably have a terrible trinket that replaces kjbw

true warren Apr 18, 2018, 1:02 AM

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860 arcancrystal

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lol

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 1:02 AM

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That's why

spring light Apr 18, 2018, 1:03 AM

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"horn of valor" any good for assassination?

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:04 AM

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can be decent on really high ilvls

true warren Apr 18, 2018, 1:04 AM

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looks like EoC and Shadow Singed Fang would be one i want.

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:05 AM

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@spring light https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/7059199/17#metric=dps this guy uses it

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 1:05 AM

#

!trinkets

chrome tuskBOT Apr 18, 2018, 1:05 AM

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List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 1:06 AM

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Use that list as a guide

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also don't forget to sim yourself.

spring light Apr 18, 2018, 1:07 AM

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kay, thankies 😃

cosmic prism Apr 18, 2018, 1:08 AM

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anyone know why assassin is alot better than sub now? been a while since i played

plain thistle Apr 18, 2018, 1:09 AM

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T21 is better

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Sub t21 kinda sucks, while sin is really good

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:10 AM

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it also got a buff in january

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before that it was pretty close

plain thistle Apr 18, 2018, 1:10 AM

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it was what? 5% buff, cant remember

spring light Apr 18, 2018, 1:10 AM

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how about in m+? which does perform better?

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:11 AM

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sub

plain thistle Apr 18, 2018, 1:11 AM

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sub

civic palm Apr 18, 2018, 1:14 AM

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ACCORDING TO MDI RESULTS, there was a SIN and they did fine?

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 1:14 AM

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WHAT?!

strange python Apr 18, 2018, 1:15 AM

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sub without burst trinkets

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gg man

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 1:15 AM

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This blasphemous speak of sin potentially being good in M+.

turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:15 AM

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sub is fine on tourney realm

strange python Apr 18, 2018, 1:15 AM

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sin is absolutly fine

turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:15 AM

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they played sin because they had no healer

strange python Apr 18, 2018, 1:15 AM

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for mü

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for m+

civic palm Apr 18, 2018, 1:15 AM

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Skyline.D runs 2 Rogues and one was SIN a few times.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:16 AM

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idk if china know what a monk is

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but when they find out in the next round

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:16 AM

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yeah on tyra

turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:16 AM

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they're going to get destroyed

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:16 AM

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2 times out of 8 maps

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big woopdie doo

civic palm Apr 18, 2018, 1:17 AM

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Nah Skyline.TOP runs a WW 100% of the time.

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They know what WW is.

turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:18 AM

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i watched like 4 of the teams play, none of them played monk

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but the region is garbage

civic palm Apr 18, 2018, 1:18 AM

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SUB/SIN combo

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turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:18 AM

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so i didn't watch more

civic palm Apr 18, 2018, 1:18 AM

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Also ran SUB/SIN in HoV.

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:18 AM

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yeah because it was tyra

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are u dumb

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but sure run 2 rogues then 1 of them can go assa on tyra

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= viable

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you wont see an assa rogue in eu

turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:19 AM

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no need to get toxic about it though 😄

civic palm Apr 18, 2018, 1:19 AM

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The point isn't that it's the best, but that it's clearly more than fine.

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:20 AM

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the only non viable things in m+ is like a mw and enh shaman

turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:20 AM

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it's pretty garbage outside of upper kara

civic palm Apr 18, 2018, 1:21 AM

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SIN was played in BRH and HoV on winning teams as well, was Skyline.D though both times.

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ENH needs some love for sure > _>

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:21 AM

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it has nothing to do with the map

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its because of tyra

civic palm Apr 18, 2018, 1:22 AM

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uhhuh

turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:22 AM

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and skyline d are the only non total garbage team in the region

civic palm Apr 18, 2018, 1:22 AM

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Yeah that's why I said the though part about them, everyone else seems... lackluster.

humble crane Apr 18, 2018, 1:37 AM

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Just curious. What's your m+ score like ryler?

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 1:38 AM

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🔥

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:38 AM

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its 4k but I havent done m+ for almost 3 months

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so whatever that means

humble crane Apr 18, 2018, 1:39 AM

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Na not trying to burn. Genuinely was curious is all. Cheers

drifting cloud Apr 18, 2018, 1:39 AM

#

29th of Jan was the last time I did over 20 key

turbid harbor Apr 18, 2018, 1:40 AM

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i was asked to sub in for one of the qualified eu teams last week

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shit timing to start a new job and move house so i cant play

rotund vigil Apr 18, 2018, 1:40 AM

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maybe a stupid question but i'm changing to main a sub rogue for arena from a blood dk and rolling sin as pve spec, what is a viable opener from stealth w/ subterfuge build ?

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 1:41 AM

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pins

rotund vigil Apr 18, 2018, 1:41 AM

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word, ty.

faint ermine Apr 18, 2018, 2:18 AM

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So a quick question. I got two upgrades from Heroic Ant this evening. The trade off is +3% vers, +4% crit, +1100 Agil, +200k hp, + 2 ilvls, at the cost of -20% Mastery. My Mastery would be at 180% if I did this. I simmed both builds and apparently the 180% mastery one out Dps's the other one by about 50k. But I don't know, I need advice from Rogues who know more than I lmao.

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 2:19 AM

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do the one that sims more

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 2:20 AM

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I mean if the sims say it's an upgrade..

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 2:20 AM

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Sim > opinion of randoms

void pecan Apr 18, 2018, 2:20 AM

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Especially the orange ones.

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don

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 2:20 AM

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⚒

vapid moth Apr 18, 2018, 2:34 AM

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eeasy M+ week

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where are the EU peeps

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why they no talk

#

... Mutilate opener is the best opener

jaunty dove Apr 18, 2018, 2:37 AM

#

Quick question, does t21 2pc (for assassination), the increased crit chance for deadly and would poison, is that only on your current target? or all targets afflicted with deadly?

vapid moth Apr 18, 2018, 2:39 AM

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all targets

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makes you not have to rupture a target when theres enough shit to hit

jaunty dove Apr 18, 2018, 2:40 AM

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Great, thanks!

vapid moth Apr 18, 2018, 2:41 AM

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np

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 3:45 AM

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how much dmg do u guys do to the vari add usually? our raid thinks sin rogues should be able to do comparable dmg to ww and rets.....

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 3:49 AM

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your raid is dumb

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 3:49 AM

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you're helping the raid more by tunneling the boss. If you're struggling with the adds then thats a raid issue not a you issue

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 3:50 AM

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yea i mean we've had vari down for a few months now but tonight we struggled hard with it so people started pointing fingers

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 3:50 AM

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even fi you get a poisionbomb the thing shouldnt live long enough for it to fully tick

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 3:50 AM

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my guild usually blows up the adds before I even have an opportunity to swap. if I do swap I get 1 or 2 hits off and its dead

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so not worth it for me

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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kept linking dmg done to adds and showing rogues at the very bottom, implying we're tunneling when we're actually fok spamming and using env on it

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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i guess you could save cp and envenom every one

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

warm parcel Apr 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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Or your ele could solo it

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And rest kill the boss as intented

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 3:51 AM

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even saving cp and env is going to be probably 1/5 the dmg of a ww or ret, which has fof and ds that hit way harder

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 3:52 AM

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yes

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 3:52 AM

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ya i mean they kept calling for hard switch on adds from everyone and the melee add still didn't die fast enough sometimes so they focusing in on how the rogues are doing the least

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 3:52 AM

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🤷 if you need your raid leader to come here and ask if its wise to have u on adds have them come. we'll all tell them he doesn't understand how the game works lol

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 3:52 AM

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unless you are runnin like 8 rogues it shouldnt be an issue

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 3:53 AM

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it's like come on......not all specs are equal. i get 1 env cast before it dies and it hits for nothing

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 3:53 AM

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we had a rule even back in NH if the sin rogue is using agonizing poison they are allowed to tunnel

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 3:53 AM

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no point complainin in here you preaching to the choir dude

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 3:54 AM

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doesnt make sense to have ur member lose a ton of dps cause the rest of the team cant do their job

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 3:54 AM

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ugh...i know, i just wanted to make sure i wasn't insane. it's so ez to just be like u're tunneling so hard it's wiping us

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even when we're actually not and losing dps by saving cp and waiting to env the add once

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and still be on the bottom for add dmg

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 3:55 AM

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DW its not your fault your raid wiped

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 3:57 AM

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go sub and dfa every one and do no boss damage at all /nod

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that will make them very happy i bet

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probably still lose to other classes

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 3:58 AM

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thx guys. needed a sanity check. it was tilting to have ppl link the add dmg meters trying to imply there's more we could do

warm parcel Apr 18, 2018, 3:59 AM

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Well also

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If youre getting one env in the add is dying insta

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So whats the issue even then 🤔

supple hearth Apr 18, 2018, 4:00 AM

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probably the rest of the raid is ignoring them and tunneling as well

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tbh

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 4:04 AM

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i like to go to replays and see exactly wha people were targeting and see how long they take to target swap

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logs dont lie

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:04 AM

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i'm taking marked prey so i'm not able to get an env on the add every single time

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but like the one time each pull it dies too slow, then they go back and link overall dmg to adds and are like, why are rogues tunneling so hard when we said to swap

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 4:06 AM

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i always used to say to my raid if you even see me on add damage and im not last you guys are sucking ass

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it just the way sin works

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was worse back in the ap days

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:07 AM

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yea we had this issue back with ap too

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cept new RL/leadership team

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still thinks the same tho..

lost horizon Apr 18, 2018, 4:16 AM

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Target swapping when AP was a thing 👀 fuck that

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AP was like a free tunnel card

wispy leaf Apr 18, 2018, 4:19 AM

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U could switch to sub with mfd for adds LUL

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That's what i did... But after the first 5-6 kills i said fuck it, i'm done with that :x

warm parcel Apr 18, 2018, 4:21 AM

#

Lemme tell you a secret.
Frost mage can guarantee 7-13 mil on every add depending on gear and cds on

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An ele is 5-13 depending on crits/procs

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A hunter like 5+

plain thistle Apr 18, 2018, 4:22 AM

#

our elemental just destroys the add, you cant even compete with him

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😂

warm parcel Apr 18, 2018, 4:22 AM

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So it takes a combined 5 people to actually do their job and noone else has to even touch it

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Frost mage can

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And depending on how fast it dies frost can win

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If it dies in a global frost loses

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But give 3 and frost starts winning

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And ye

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Vari adds

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And even 3 globals at these haste levels are sub 4 sec

wise frigate Apr 18, 2018, 4:31 AM

#

Our ret pally went ham on the adds last night on our kill.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/143549157024464897/435680403890634753/unknown.png FeelsEnvenomMan

plain thistle Apr 18, 2018, 4:32 AM

#

FeelsPaddingMan

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😂

slate rock Apr 18, 2018, 4:40 AM

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!relics

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!relics

fervent beacon Apr 18, 2018, 4:42 AM

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@warm parcel I didn't dps the add at all but got called out on it. I was like but it's pointless when we got the range , especially hunter, elemental and hunter.

viscid helm Apr 18, 2018, 4:43 AM

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I never touch them

warm parcel Apr 18, 2018, 4:43 AM

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It is what it is

viscid helm Apr 18, 2018, 4:43 AM

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Not my problem

warm parcel Apr 18, 2018, 4:43 AM

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Ye we never let our rogues touch them

wise frigate Apr 18, 2018, 4:46 AM

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We wiped a few times from add not dying fast enough so I just started Envenom and sometimes Mutilating when they spawned just to help a lil

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:46 AM

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yea our ele sham wasn't there tonight

viscid helm Apr 18, 2018, 4:47 AM

#

400k Muti p much useless

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:47 AM

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especially if it doesn't crit so u can't even 4/5cp env

wise frigate Apr 18, 2018, 4:47 AM

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We got the kill so I'll take it. No thanks to my glowing parse. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 4:48 AM

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probably a dps upgrade to hold judge a few seconds and get a crit cleave judgement on it as it spawns

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that the whole point though ret and other spec has the tools for the burst can save procs etc

#

sin really cant in any meaningful way

marble hemlock Apr 18, 2018, 4:49 AM

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fairly simple, really

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as an assassination rogue you shouldnt be expected to go on the add

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if your raid struggles with it however, you should think about changing that approach and help out in any capacity you can, knowing that its still not going to make a huge difference

astral sundial Apr 18, 2018, 4:51 AM

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or go sub : /

marble hemlock Apr 18, 2018, 4:51 AM

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and if your raidleader specifically asks you to help out after youve wiped to plenty of times already, that just confirms you having to help

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is it efficient? no. but firstkills arent about about playing 100% efficiently with all 20 players, its about getting the mechanics down and killing the boss

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:52 AM

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it should've been our 6th or 7th kill, not 1st 🤔

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 4:52 AM

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yeh you can get away with that when the content is old/easy/undertuned and you overgear it

viscid helm Apr 18, 2018, 4:52 AM

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Or u could just kick the shit rdps

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 4:52 AM

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but when stuff is hard you gotta have the right comp and people actually need to understand ther classes n shit

viscid helm Apr 18, 2018, 4:52 AM

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That dont switch

marble hemlock Apr 18, 2018, 4:52 AM

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im fairly sure a solution like that was considered before asking the assa to switch

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:53 AM

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and this was post me helping already with a 4pt env and mut/fok

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 4:53 AM

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if you progging 6 months after raid come out you prolly dont have much of a competent bench

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:53 AM

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well they focus on the meter to find their answer

steep obsidian Apr 18, 2018, 4:53 AM

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or many recruits

marble hemlock Apr 18, 2018, 4:53 AM

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you never have a competent bench

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:53 AM

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so it's not that the ranged aren't switching fast enough

marble hemlock Apr 18, 2018, 4:53 AM

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if you had, theyd be in the raid, and the inept players would be on the bench instead

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:53 AM

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it's that there are ppl (sin rogues) doing almost nothing compared to the top (ww, rets, booms)

marble hemlock Apr 18, 2018, 4:53 AM

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yeah, but every little bit helps

lunar coral Apr 18, 2018, 4:55 AM

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yea i mean it's like, 15-30m from sin rogues vs. 100+m from ww/ret

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clearly the problem is the rogues not doing enough