i dont have faith in blizzard putting in new mechanics in azerite armor either
#assassination
trim dirge
viscid helm
Legions artifact stuff was tested from the very beginning
went through so many changes
balance changes
they wont just slap stuff like that on azerite without testing
gaunt moat
like, basically, azerite traits are "tuning knobs" for specs.
that they can play with, instead of changing the base abilities
trim dirge
im glad sub wasnt reliant on the artifact so it will be alright for the most part
turbid oxide
We have already seen azerite traits that change how you play though
trim dirge
there was that shuriken toss trait
strange python
wtf
turbid oxide
I don't see how you can say it doesn't/won't have these new systems
gaunt moat
@turbid oxide i haven't seen all traits, which one do you refer to?
turbid oxide
Dead shot and the shuriken toss one
Nothing for sin that is actually interesting iirc
But still
turbid harbor
sod on gcd gives me actual aids
turbid harbor
๐
viscid helm
subs dead anyway
gaunt moat
you mean these?
Sharpened Blades Your autoattacks increase the damage of your next Shuriken Toss by 15, stacking up to 20 times.```ohh
turbid harbor
no it isnt
warm parcel
I was told it is
viscid helm
yeh pretty sure it isnt
turbid harbor
i just played with it and it wasn't
warm parcel
vial is?
turbid harbor
vial is
lethal heart
what
turbid oxide
Yes
gaunt moat
i mean, you're right.
but i wouldn't say those bonuses have much depth.
like flowi said, these are tier bonus style changes
which is to say, minimal to playstyle
turbid oxide
I'm just saying don't write them off yet
gaunt moat
well, i'll be the first one to say that i hope they do ๐
viscid helm
seems like no changes gonna happen
gaunt moat
i just don't hold much hope, you know?
especially after devs made their intention clear to us
turbid harbor
i sort of understand for 2-3min cds
turbid oxide
what intention? @gaunt moat
gaunt moat
that sin should be very simple, because sub is the more complex spec
trim dirge
i really believe they will revert sod
viscid helm
well numbers are irrelevant untill heroic week is done
like always
na doubt that
if anything
they gonna add more
and more
trim dirge
it makes no sense from what they've said about the gcd changes previously
turbid harbor
we're going to have to use it while out of combat while levelling
not even worth the gcd on normal mobs
why press a button to deal 15% more damage instead of 2-3 shotting the mob ๐
viscid helm
someone made a good comment
might as well remove the energy regen part of symbols
cos you regen the amount in the GCD anyway
gaunt moat
also it might be their intention is to reduce these "complex" system, so that there won't be a big skill disparity between players.
trim dirge
it certainly seems like it
gaunt moat
they consider live to be very complex
viscid helm
theres hardly any difference
if you spend 10min reading a guide
and next 10min on a dummy
trim dirge
the average player doesnt read a guide
gaunt moat
yeah well...
viscid helm
you are good to go
gaunt moat
implying people spend 10 minutes reading a guide ๐
@viscid helm i looked at my guide analystics a couple days ago
average time on the page is 5 minutes, heh
viscid helm
lmao
gaunt moat
which is more than i expected actually
turbid harbor
at the start of legion you couldn't enter dance while on gcd
but it wouldn't trigger gcd
heavy plover
@viscid helm "rogue is at the level of BM hunters" lets not go that far bud
trim dirge
honestly im surprised they didnt remove sod
it seems like one of those abilities they would have pruned
viscid helm
you are right, sorry
as a BM you actually need to think when to press couple cooldowns
might have to delay some
just slightly
heavy plover
yeah kill command is a great rotation lul
gaunt moat
for sin in BFA, i just don't see any scenario that requires decision making currently.
trim dirge
survival on bfa is literally just pushing everything that comes off cd
gaunt moat
i might be wrong though since i played it for a long time
gaunt moat
what about it
lethal heart
what about vendetta trait that refills your energy
is that a thing?
or it's gone?
gaunt moat
vendetta now refills 80 over 3 seconds
viscid helm
the regen part is there
gaunt moat
and it has GCD
lethal heart
yea
heavy plover
oh the GCD on BFA makes me want to vomit
viscid helm
i mean you already use vendetta as first action
heavy plover
i hope it's not like that on live
trim dirge
in some form it will be
gaunt moat
but vendetta is still used on CD, so no decision making... unless you think delaying it be a soonish vanish counts.
heavy plover
viscid helm
vs live rn
heavy plover
LUL
viscid helm
with set
lone junco
Did they remove most cdr effects but True Bearing?
gaunt moat
well, i don't se a future when they back down from GCDs
but tbh it doesn't really affect assassination
vendetta on CD is not a big deal
turbid harbor
one gcd every 2 mins ๐
gaunt moat
i wish CV wasn't on GCD though.. it's like punishing us for PvPers
just... remove pvp from wow please.
crisp shard
In rotation with garote on cd, 4cp and rupture running out do we muti or rupture?
strange python
pretty sure it is 60 energy over 3s
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
strange python
oh i was scrolled up
gaunt moat
@strange python 60? oh, my bad then. hard to keep up with changes ๐
heavy plover
@trim dirge will completely destroy PvP, i know blizzard hate PvP but it won't happen
dark crag
is crimson vial on the gcd in alpha?
viscid helm
yes
gaunt moat
well, slow down the actions/reactions
heavy plover
I know what you're all saying are facts, and yes Blizzard are trying to slow it down. But I don't think they'll go through with it
gaunt moat
i don't think the duration will be slower
trim dirge
yeah
dark crag
wtf why is a 30 energy 30% hp hot on the gcd? it does no dmg
heavy plover
cause blizzard things
gaunt moat
vendetta also doesn't do damage, so? :X
trim dirge
does anyone know what defensives for other classes are on the gcd also
is there a list somewhere
viscid helm
yes
torn token
wowhead
strange python
all of them
strange python
jk i dont really know
heavy plover
probably all of them at this point
trim dirge
damn
heavy plover
like that isn't the direction they should be taking, just lowers the skill cap in PvP
but then you can argue "swifty one shot macro"
gaunt moat
this is zed
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XpQYHYup3Pw/TcQXuUDygpI/AAAAAAAABCw/gdmOpDkMjdY/s1600/han+solo.jpg
trim dirge
oh i see it on wowhead now holy shit this is like literally every ability that isnt already on the gcd
heavy plover
:>
dark crag
but vendetta is a dmg cooldown
viscid helm
and sprint
heavy plover
@gaunt moat I love harry potter in star trek
dark crag
sprint and step on gcd, can hell be real?
trim dirge
step would be so awful
viscid helm
well considering that other movement abilities already are
i see no reason not to add sprint and step
there as well
dark crag
blink on gcd
trim dirge
charge is on a .5s gcd i could see step being .5
gaunt moat
here's an idea:
all the abilities that currently have no GCD. now have it.
and all other abilities have 2 seconds GCD.
i think blizz will like it
trim dirge
sounds like ffxiv
marble hemlock
why not make bossfights a QTE already
echo estuary
gaem is too hard, need 2 sec gcd on every button, also more pruning needed
marble hemlock
like, every member in the raid gets to watch a cinematic, and they need to press certain buttons in a certain window, and if everyone does it well, we get the looot :3
dark crag
does it dmg? does it enhance future dmg done? gcd
gaunt moat
@marble hemlock isn't that Eonar?
trim dirge
does it do literally anything
gaunt moat
@dark crag i guess you missed start of conversation, the reason is probably PVP.
also, feint has GCD on live.
CHECKMATE ATHEISTS.
drifting cloud
Ill have you know I have less wipes on atleast 3 other bosses than eonar
gaunt moat
if you wiped on heroic eonar i will give you 5g
heavy plover
clearly you have never done eonar with pug tanks
dark crag
the whole concept of blizz putting things on the gcd was, that they want to reduce the pace in pvp
trim dirge
@gaunt moat 5g pls
dark crag
what?
what can be faster than charge, swifty one shot macro, next big hitting ability?
gaunt moat
using all your defensives at the same time too...
what i mean is, that i don't think matches will be longer
dark crag
no but you have a better time to react
gaunt moat
maybe. but you can't react fast cause you're locked
i'm not a pvper though
so i might be way wrong
dark crag
yeah but they can not pop their macro anymore and need to setup
that warri gif some one posted is an extreme case
honest pelican
i cant sim this righ tnow, but i got a 945 relic. left side is master of shadows(500 mastery avoidance) with envenom or vendetta 3rd slot, otherwise light speed (500 haste, speed) with master alchemist . obviously going with mastery and envenom is better choice yea?
gaunt moat
@honest pelican we can't call these kind of things like that, you will have to sim it
too many factors
it LIKELY that the mastery one will be better.
but these kind of questions require a sim.
anyways, goodnight ๐
honest pelican
i see, master assassin came out 15k more dps then the envenom, i didnt expect that
is too much envenom bonus dmg bad or is -time off vendetta just that good
gaunt moat
you said master alchemist before...
yeah, master assassin is just really good.
dark sun
I just started an assassination rogue, should I use rupture with less than 5 combo points? I know I should use envenom with 4+ but I'm unclear about rupture
dark sun
ok, I didn't see finishers only envenom
rare moss
anyone else having a bug issue with Tricks at the moment?
drifting cloud
cancel your neural silencer
rare moss
dont have it on lol
mossy flicker
should I put a gem 200 agi or 200 mastery ?
plain thistle
@mossy flicker 
, but generally speaking, mastery is above agility
so 200 mastery will be better
mossy flicker
Oh ok, thank you buddy
plain thistle
but if you are like, 910 ish or less, is totally possible that agi > mastery , thats why its better to sim your character
strange python
what is going to be our best 100 talent in BfA?
trim dirge
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supple hearth
@strange python the one that sims best
shadow birch
hi guys, any less scuffed weakaura link than the one from Notter ? I dont like the thinned out abilities ...
drifting cloud
shadow birch
@gaunt moat if theres an option to get them in square form is basically what im saying XD sorry didnt mean to offend anyone
shadow birch
Well i guess its the internet XD cant be too cautious
wind gull
*too
shadow birch
Ty
dire spoke
we should add that link to our resources tbh
but ppl still gonna ask because reading is hard
nvmd
merry plover
Are mythic logs so dominated by good poison bomb rng that I'm doing this low? There are a few things I could touch up but I didnt think I did this bad. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/v3ctdYzgABJG4qhf/#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=2
merry plover
rip
dire spoke
- the fight took forever
merry plover
@dire spoke is there anything blasphemous I'm doing that I should stop?
dire spoke
@merry plover you should stop pressing cooldowns when you decide to do mechanics the very next moment
you're not clipping SoT which should be 100% up during KB
envenom uptime is not very good aswell
also you could optimize the TB envenoms, you have lots with 1 env only
merry plover
Thank you. Back to the training dummy for me!
dire spoke
you need better relics
strange python
your average kingsbane damage is incredibly low
but another big factor is that the kill time was really really long too
merry plover
Yeah I switched to rogue in the middle of the tier, relics have always been a problem
dire spoke
Why are you not delaying vanish for vendetta?
the 5/7 alignment looks weird
shouldn't it be perfect?
merry plover
I've been trying to hit vanish as much as possible, but this is also my 5th pull or so on the boss
I may have gotten distracted by mechanics
dire spoke
gett better weakauras then ๐
strange python
nonono you didn't forget a vanish cast
You just need to align vanish with vendetta
merry plover
I was under the notion I had to hit cooldowns asap for max usage
Im gonna start holding vanish then
strange python
You would have still gotten 3 vanishes over the course of the fight
Normally you only have to hold onto it for ~25s
dire spoke
^ as you can see in my image
strange python
But yeah that would be a big improvement, most juicier burst windows
dire spoke
looking at it, you would have delayed 2nd vanish for the next vendetta
and delayed fourth vendetta for the last vanish
dire spoke
I take paypal donations
merry plover
If I get a 90+ next garothi kill we shall see 
drifting cloud
at 965 with 6min kill timer gl with that ๐
dire spoke
tisu 
plain thistle
oh nice, everyone with the argus cutting edge got access to alpha? ๐
thats nice
manic vigil
I have curve, am I next? 
plain thistle
not sure, a lot of my guildies got alpha, and we are like world 500th guild, we just got access, no email at all
manic vigil
I don't really care, I'm not a good alpha tester I think
I'd be bored after 5mins and log off
lone junco
Was easy to see 2p2p sub on ptr. Was pretty hilarious to reset everything so quickly.
manic vigil
I mean I wouldn't turn it down, but I'm not upset or anything
lone junco
Easy screening process as well.
manic vigil
I'm a nobody with a questionable past after all ^^
(meaning I played the game on and off a lot)
dire spoke
@gusty kestrel it's the weakauras one https://discord.gg/wa2
strange python
do the traits on the artifact stack ie gushing wound from one relic stack with another on the 2nd relic
dire spoke
@strange python the percentage will increase
strange python
Thank You Zempai
onyx falcon
anyone gonna watch MDI China ?
starts in 10 mins
its just funny how savage twitch chat is being
we're all watching if they finally get past Rokmora this time
cunning urchin
poison
vapid moth
how do i invite the raidbot to a discord server?
onyx falcon
more so crit on bleed and dmg on poison
and dont they have a website xae
-> crit for both rly but not so much you can do for crit on poison besides just stacking crit so dmg instead but still not much you cna do for that
ima laugh quite hard if they wipe
plain thistle
wtf this MDI interface, cant tell which team is on the main screen ๐ค
well, now that 1 boss is down for one team its easy, but anyway
key level not on display too
plain thistle
yup, but I think that should be on display somewhere, same thing for team name for each screen
strong torrent
civic palm
Team Name is perfect under the Group Frame, no idea why it's not there!! >_>
onyx falcon
forgot about it, but Skyline.D rly had a good comp for Harbaron, double cloak for fragments
but they also lose out on the CP bonus if htey do that
civic palm
Most practice probably.
onyx falcon
yanno, they wanted to see how badly they could get destroyed
theres the purg
welp CBA won this one
civic palm
ehhhh give a minute
onyx falcon
nah, like they just said, their comp wont make for a fast helya, they have a double execute comp
only way is if they do a 1 phase helya
civic palm
Yeah
civic palm
lol
dire remnant
alright guys help me out here
if a guild wants to continue imonar prog tonight by extending... would it ever be possible to use my lockout which has the first 3 bosses of antorus down, then have one of them use the skip to imonar to get us there?
i basically pugged 3/11 today and this weekend raiding guild is gonna extend to imonar tonight. just tryna figure out all the small details of how lockouts work, like technically if they just joined my lockout and someone jumped to imonar (so skipping eonar and portal), we could just be at imonar?
plain thistle
if they are not locked, you can share your lockout with then
but yeah, if someone already did immonar 4 times , you can skip to immonar, no problem
wise frigate
Pretty sure if you use other people's lockouts, it cucks them for loot too if they go back in to try and kill it. Mythic lockouts are fucky and I wouldn't advise trying to do clever stuff with them.
(Cucks them if you and the people you share the lockout with kill the boss(es) that is)
plain thistle
ofc, they will not be able to kill the first 3 bosses, they will already be dead
fixed ๐
agile anvil
Ravenholdt ring any good?
fervent beacon
Not the best, but it's good for crit and ST.
marble hemlock
damn, i missed the double-rogue MDI action ๐ฆ
olive pike
Are duskwalker's footpads alright?
primal quail
strange python
hey guys whats your world of warcraft secret?
minor spade
ikr???
strange python
how did no healers rogue heal so much
DFA during DK leech?
he went from like 4-5% to 48 or something
eternal haven
healthstone leech
onyx falcon
SIN ROGUE IN MDI!
strange python
๐ด
light jacinth
๐ฅ
zealous dew
lulz
civic palm
M D I C H A T
zealous dew
and the war begins
gaunt moat
gaunt moat
in vanilla defensives were off GCD...
civic palm
Evasion/Sprint/Cloak/etc. all off GCD > _>
olive pike
How strong is Convergence for us? I have an 895, am I better off just grabbin a relinquished one?
jovial kite
gaunt moat
@olive pike please check www.herodamage.com
it has a list of all trinket sims.
that way you can figure these kind of things yourself
civic palm
Crimson Vial on GCD, always felt like that anyway.
olive pike
I cant sim something I dont have :X
jovial kite
ofc you can
raidbots has lots of tools
Or do you mean the cof is your only trinket
olive pike
I'm trying to decide between buying gloves or a trinket
civic palm
What is your other trinket?
olive pike
930 coid stalkers contract
civic palm
Raid any?
olive pike
trying to get him there
olive pike
woo 910 vers trinket
civic palm
Contract is at the bottom of that list.
The list goes further down.
But those don't matter.
910 VERS beats a 930 Contract, more-than-likely;
olive pike
I will now that I got the trinket and a new lego
civic palm
GL
minor spade
I'm surprised to see Scourgewing so low.
civic palm
SIN + SUB Rogue > _>
sharp viper
assa has the lowest apm out of the three rogue specs and almost no dmg modifiers like sub does (dance, symbols)
it is quite logical that seeping is lower in dmg compared to outlaw or sub usage of that trinket
civic palm
SIN just ahead > _>"
marble hemlock
oh yeah, theyre running sub+assa for BRH
civic palm
Yeah > _>
sharp viper
well that is to be expected in ST
proven granite
Just a question, does herodamage.com have correct information about relics ?
marble hemlock
2nd boss has adds to cleave off of tho
meaning shuriken combo is possible
those bursting extends
sharp viper
@proven granite herodamage has correct sim but they assume certain fixed sets, if you want to compare relics you can use the relic compare function at raidbots.com to sim it with your gear
olive pike
wait is there a group not using a healer in mdi?
sharp viper
there was a group with the name " no healer" who played double dh rogue lock + blood dk
olive pike
did they do well? I can't watch atm sadly
sharp viper
they won their round with 2-1 against yingyingying
olive pike
that's pretty nifty
proven granite
because as a outlaw rogue i have seen poeple using elisande trinket, but herodamage do not agree with that ๐
marble hemlock
dying on smashspite as a rogue LUL
sharp viper
what do you mean, cof is quite high for RTB outlaw rogues iirc
sharp viper
wise frigate
It makes the spec just play so much smoother.
RtB that is.
SnD doesn't use it though.
olive pike
what does it reduce for outlaw?
sharp viper
well really depends on the buffs you roll, true bearing and you don't need cof
zealous dew
mmm why on MDI server you can see the bats lines on 3rd boss brh ?
wise frigate
Adrenaline Rush
zealous dew
and not on live
wise frigate
More ARs = more Loaded Dice = more guaranteed 2 buff rolls.
zealous dew
lolz
olive pike
that makes so much sense lol
I had it equipped
couldn't figure out why friend was complaining about outlaw being slow
sharp viper
reading tooltips is helpful :p
zealous dew
again: mmm why on MDI server you can see the bats lines on 3rd boss brh ?
while on live is shit as hell
marble hemlock
you cant
even on that fight sometimes the observer couldnt see them
its weird, sometimes you can see your own line, sometimes you cant but can see others that they cant see, and sometimes noone can see any of them
marble hemlock
yeah
sometimes you feel its going fairly well
and sometimes you have shit like this
and ask yourself "why is this not fixed after almost 3months now"
zealous dew
so broken
marble hemlock
i mean
they did fix a few bugs one week after
all of which were beneficial to players
๐
zealous dew
of course
this one is annoying as hell
I can see all the lines
not last 2
soon M+ will be crowded by DH eye beams but with avg pug tank pulling 3 mobs dps overall will be like 1m
tawdry bloom
hey, when your vanish comes back up but your kingsbane and toxic blade are also coming up, what should the sequence be?
make sure rupture is good, then do kingsbane and toxic blade into vanish -> envenom?
or do you still save toxic blade for the last 8 seconds of kingsbane or what
or vanish -> kingsbane -> toxic blade -> envenom similar to the opener?
t21 and shoulders btw if it matters
zealous dew
If they all come up I'd vendetta TB kB to ,5 cp then vanish env
prime void
next salmon
Personally I take off all my legendaries to get ready for BFA
lucid dock
Is fan of knives cloak useful anywhere?
dusty wigeon
hi lads, so im new to rogue and the leggos i've got is the soul of shadow blade - kj's wish - and shoulders. Which should i use? Shoulders and? also if i use shoulders i lose the tier piece unless i lose 15 ilvl on legs. What should i do? ๐
prisma gull
Pretty sure the cloak is useful in m+ foe aoe clears, but it also depends on what others leggos you have
drifting cosmos
๐ค rip both wiping
slim estuary
@onyx atlas definitely sim your gear. shoulders are bis bis bis bis bis so it may be that you might have to lose ilvls to do good. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear
rain violet
anyone rate the basic tell me when profiles?
thin plinth
hey guys, i just came back to the game, what traits do i take on the netherlight crucible for assasination ?
i cant find anything helpfull on incy veins
thin plinth
there isnt shit about the netherlight crucible
flint fable
shrewd night
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lone junco
Herodamage rogue has relic value charts.
slim hawk
Hello I have looked through the guides as I am currently leveling a rogue and I cant find an opener without shoulders and with nightstalker(I would also like to use deeper stratagem). I know it might be a bit early to ask and I probably shouldn't worry so much about the opener while leveling but I am still curious.
Also I know it might not be the ideal build but got to love that stealth movespeed ๐
manic vigil
Use the nightstalker buff in rupture is what he is saying
While leveling I'd suggest still using envenom tho
Or just garrote from stealth
manic vigil
That's more of an issue for long fights really. In the open world just do whatever seems right
In dungeons on bosses use it on rupture
slim hawk
well it will still be useful at max, and I like to build good habits while leveling
manic vigil
Makes sense yeah
But there is no point applying an enhanced dot effect when the mob will die after two ticks anyway right
slim hawk
that is true
manic vigil
Or you can start combat by rupturing one target and then switch to another etc
Just experiment
slim hawk
it will be useful on some elites too at least
and yep if the rupture alone kills it or almost
anyways thanks for your time ^^ time to try it out
manic vigil
Have fun
lone junco
@ don Jose has a leveling guide for rogue. I think he recommends sub.
lone junco
Ugh.
slim hawk
Well leveling is easy enough, I just don't want to end up at 110 and need to learn the spec from scratch.
Thanks for the tip anyways.
supple hearth
You're going to relearn everything in 4 months when we get to BFA regardless
manic vigil
Nice motivational speech giggle 
viscid helm
Dont think there is any relearning
the classes are exactly the same as legion
- 2-3 buttons
gaunt moat
in sin's case, it has been tripped down of some mechanics.
so there is even less ways to fuck it up.
as long as you don't use finishers below 3CPs
you're pretty much set.
manic vigil
Can always just play the piano @viscid helm lots of buttons
midnight latch
uh piano
worn cradle
I canโt take Nayaโs profile pic seriously.
manic vigil
Flowi never insults me 
which means he doesn't like me 
viscid helm
you get banned here if you say anything insulting
midnight latch
@worn cradle why not 
gaunt moat
worn cradle
I mean look at that cute little broccoli face.
worn cradle
Agreed.
lethal heart
viscid helm
idk i just looked at the image
midnight latch
ye its from an anime which can have great music 
worn cradle
What anime has great music. Name one.
midnight latch
I can name u a shit ton
worn cradle
Come on.
lone junco
slim estuary
Does using shoulders+wrists on kin make me โnot a mythic raiderโ
slim estuary
You sure because apparently not changing my gear every fight makes me โnot a mythic raiderโ
lone junco
Shoulder bracer. Shoulder boot can both be fine.
slim estuary
Going by a ret pally this is though
lone junco
I mean. If you could have substantially more dps on Varith as Bracer boot. And you ignore it, then you should know why.
manic vigil
lone junco
I'm not saying. Ignoring gear swaps is a good thing. But shoulder bracer is good for most fights.
Maybe not best based on timings.
manic vigil
Absolutely
Jhonwei rocks boots bracers everywhere (except imonar) which I find awesome
I still go for mantle on kin and portal keeper as well
tranquil silo
If you run boots on kingaroth can you vend boss and still have it up for robots?
manic vigil
Yes if you start on adds iirc
midnight latch
@tranquil silo ye comes of in the last 20 secs of add pahse
manic vigil
So hold, use on add, boss, add, boss...
midnight latch
its either at the end of ur add or when u run over to the last add
manic vigil
Fucking discord not sending messages
tranquil silo
Then would you use boots instead of mantle or bracers?
midnight latch
On first kill I ran boots and shoulders
u dont get that much out of bracers on that boss anyways I feel
tranquil silo
Thatโs what I was thinking
sharp viper
sharp viper
why are there still oranges and purples without naya?
sharp viper
so our mods gotta show some initative to get
midnight latch
ye
sharp viper
if you edit the angery face onto a picture of a tangerine you get yourself a tangeryne ๐ค
manic vigil
midnight latch
sharp viper
discord always suggests ๐ while typing out
jovial kite
got alpha inv 
calm grail
bronze rapids
What are the best relic effects to have?
jovial kite
has all the answers
yes
many months 
not in our guild
could be they havent set preferences for beta testing also
bronze rapids
Thanks @jovial kite
jovial kite
np bro
fast nacelle
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manic vigil
tyra
jagged girder
I have a question if anyone wouldnt mind providing insight. What am I missing with Argus that envenom is my number 1 damage ability? Every fight it is DP. However for some reason Envenom ends up doing more then DP on Argus. Any ideas why?
jovial kite
link the log please
jagged girder
jovial kite
deadlypoison is your #1 damage ability
if you use skada, it takes the dot and the initial application damage from deadlypoison and puts them under the same bar
warcraftlogs separates these sources
jagged girder
Ahhh ok
jovial kite
but if you look at ur dmg done, there is several bars for deadly poison
jagged girder
I do use skada and normally see that. The log threw me off. >.<
Ok thanks for pointing that out
Makes sense now
jovial kite
np
chrome folio
Hey, method says rogue has double immunities for Argus. What are they talking about beside CloS?
dusty wigeon
evasion prob
chrome folio
Unlikely, you need to immune the debuff that spawns spikes
viscid helm
no
this is literally the main problem with guilds
stop watching methods videos and copying the tactic lmao
chrome folio
I think they just mean the low cd on clos
viscid helm
there is no double immunity
chrome folio
I'm watching method's video to watch how the boss works
viscid helm
mistake
chrome folio
We are not using that strategy
viscid helm
boss doesnt work that way anymore
viscid helm
who are you
jovial kite
spikey chill your tits
jovial kite
everything flowi said is true
dusty wigeon
but he is saying it like he owns wow xD
flint fable
they changed immunities on that boss a long time ago
viscid helm
i do clearly
jovial kite
it means hes probably right ๐
dusty wigeon
i didnt say he was wrong
viscid helm
hey its you who's calling people names here
viscid helm
meanwhile not even understanding how the fight works
TLDR
you cant immune
the chains anymore
you always get 2 per wave
just have to deal with them
chrome folio
2 per wave sounds doable
viscid helm
it is
chrome folio
We are only 6 hours, roster issues on Aggra and we just got him last week. Next week we are doing Argus.
Hope we don't take too many pulls
Under 200 would be cool ๐
chrome folio
The rest is all the same? Phase 1
jovial kite
p1 and p2 faceroll pretty much
chrome folio
Yeah a buddy on another 6hr guild got aggra in like ~90 and is at ~150 or so on argus with a 1% wipe
Must feel bad
P1 seems so easy
jovial kite
aggra is so 
as melee
chrome folio
Lmao yes, for at least half of those tries I was on the phone or doing something else
Just waiting for our dks to get the hang of it
jovial kite
one of the most frustrating bosses to progress in legion imo
whole fight
10 minutes
lethal heart
i remember spellblade alurierl as melee
jovial kite
and its pretty much up to dk's and cc'ers
lethal heart
was fun times aswell
jovial kite
npnp
vernal adder
have fun on Hyrja
lone junco
Eww
manic vigil
How is one supposed to survive that btw
Last time we did a 19 tyra and hyrja just killed everyone eventually
zealous dew
elusivness
manic vigil
And other classes?
manic vigil
Sounds like fun
zealous dew
avoidance gear
manic vigil
Pass
lone junco
Does moonkin bear form keep them up for major defensives like that?
lethal heart
avoidance
helps out
doesnt work for arcing bolt
but works on eye of the storm aoe/expel light
prydaz/defensive gear in general
as boomie/druid you can snapshot your prydaz with bearform
exotic glen
tfw got banned from dreamgrove
zealous dew
you asked if bear rotation is hard?
midnight latch
zealous dew
been declined from NL 17-18 because i'm a rogue
LOL
wtf
too much MDI for puggers
warm parcel
mdi uses rogues ๐ค
shrewd night
I still get declined because people think m+ score matters for 16-17s 
exotic glen
whats up with all these discord pictures
viscid helm
no
midnight latch
mild lintel
midnight latch
depends on the situation and if u can get the value out of the execute on bracers.
for ur particular case u can sim the legendaries with ur gear at raidbots.com
sharp viper
you could also sim both
void pecan
Top quality gif
echo estuary
is that aladdin?
warm parcel
its eldorado my man
supple hearth
@echo estuary must see Disney movie tbh
sharp viper
it is wonderous how they got away with putting in such a sexy character in a kids/family movie
brazen hemlock
Hello my dudes, recently i got a leggo ring for my assassination, the one giving free talent, but i already am using Insignia (AoE Ring)... and for some reasons sims arent working for me, some issue with loading armory.... from your experience, wich one works better in average raid encounter?
plain thistle
dont load your character with the armory feature, download simulationcraft addon and copy the string to raidbots.com
mossy flicker
I need your help guys ! Could you tell me what is the macro to call poison bomb proc please ?
sharp viper
it is annoying as hell and it will give your tanks even more incentive and information to move the boss out of your pb
and it's a weakaura you can probably find at wago.io
supple hearth
^
fervent beacon
It's only ideal if you're pushing high key like 15+ on fort week so tank can leave it in the PB before moving but otherwise its a meh
strange python
why should tank stop on kites ? partymembers get rekt
lucid dock
Hey guys, about how much mastery should i shoot for?
jovial kite
there are no caps
shrewd night
Given the right OTHER stat you can go pretty low, while the rule of thumb is to get as much as possible. So its all down to sims.
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clear charm
Hello Boyz ๐ after long time i decided to switch to Rogue easy mode and go Assa, but i don't feel really comfortable with it. any suggestion ? Maybe a weak aura for dummy that help with the rotation (at least for the beginning )
if there is any , ofc
jovial kite
check the pins
fervent beacon
I'd recommend using Notters WA, very crisp and clean.
thin plinth
hey guys, i recently started playing assasination
and i have a problem
whenever i go on a boss or just dummy, i tend to run out of engergy very fast
any tips ?
thin plinth
i apply rupture and i apply garrote
fervent beacon
Yeah, so there's not much you can do it, do you also have 4T21 pieces?
thin plinth
i dont
fervent beacon
Once you get that, you will feel more energy regen but sin is commonly to be slow pace spec compare to outlaw for an example.
lost horizon
Are you on vigor talent?
thin plinth
i am and i have the vigor ring ๐
lost horizon
Sin is like void said pretty slow pace
You're not going to be doing something every time you have energy for it
Part of good gameplay is spacing out your finishers
And pooling energy
fervent beacon
If you have high crit, you can try out Alacrity meme
thin plinth
like, at some points i cant do anythig except of auto attacking ๐
i guess i have to get better
lost horizon
That's going to happen
There's plenty of time when you should stop pressing buttons so that you space out finishers/pool energy
sterile aspen
friends i have a question
fervent beacon
like McLean said, sin is also about playing with CDs and pooling energy to keep up Env during TB/KB window
Stuart, ask away
so you may get meme at.
sterile aspen
basically, i have relics that are bad but i simmed them and its weird to me, Is it better to have 3 Master ass relics or 1 master ass 2 master alcs
could even be 1 master alc 2 master ass
got told that Master alc is best by my friend but sims confuse me
lost horizon
It's lego dependent for master assassin
If you're using shoulders+bracers like most, you want 1 or 3
2 sims at lower value
lost horizon
There's a lot more than just the one trait on the relic to consider
The other traits and ilvl factor in quite a bit
Your safest bet to evaluating relics is always to sim it for yourself
sterile aspen
i compared 4 of the options and it said Master Alc + 2 Master Ass but thought i'd ask here first since ive not played rogue long
lost horizon
Trust the sims ๐
fervent beacon
Your artifact ilvl doesn't really matter as much
civic palm
Unless it's like... +40 or something.
sterile aspen
people bully me for my trash weapons xd
civic palm
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fiery nest
Yea weapon ilvl doesn't mean shit really
Aa dmg is like 1%, and none of our abilities scale off weapon dmg
lucid dock
Stupid question probably but how do you specifically sim relics?
like, without putting them in
fiery nest
fiery nest
Can also use crucibleweights add-on and import the string for it for your build (bleed or poison)
tepid ridge
zealous dew
wago has one
civic palm
There are some other ones on WAGO that require the cloak to work, so I just removed that and reuploaded it privately.
orchid cove
isnt fok 10yards ? why a 6 and a 9 ?
civic palm
Rangefinding is retarded in WoW, also I think the 6y was removed before I uploaded it, doesn't do anything anyway.
I say it's retarded, but it uses the nameplates and those are not always literally directly above the center of a model, so if you are within 9y of a target you are always within 10y.
But if you are 10y from the target you might be 11y and missing entirely.
Can wiggle around the Rogue OH dummies and see what I mean, kinda dense.
eg. JUMPING was thought to increase the radius of your FoK earlier in this expansion and that's not entirely untrue.
gaunt moat
!warn @civic palm please don't use pejoratives
chrome tuskBOT
Alright, @civic palm has been warned because 'please don't use pejoratives'.
civic palm
The bot should rise against its' masters.
lost horizon
Rip
Good info, unfortunate word choice
I'm gonna have to check that WA out though, seems handy
civic palm
Yeah sorry lemme....
Rangefinding is finicky in WoW, to the point where it's simply inaccurate.
lost horizon
I haven't had the opportunity to mess with it, but I can imagine it being tricky
civic palm
Though it's most likely an issue with how WA finds ranges or how Blizzard allows addons to find ranges.
Not tricky, there are no tricks.
The way we can find ranges are not accurate.
lost horizon
Tricky as in difficult*
civic palm
Though 1y really doesn't matter.
lost horizon
Didn't they have a radar thing at one point that blizz had to put an end to?
Could be related
I'm fresh to wow as of legion so I don't know deets
civic palm
You just make the WA scan for 9y, then you always get what you expect and then some bonuses targets.
Blizzard very much restricts how players can interact with the models, nameplates, and LUA scripting.
For the better.
Almost always.
lost horizon
Yep, I'm just thinking the rangefinding innacuracy could be direct result of removal of that radar capability
civic palm
I think it was hampered when there were changes made to how nameplates work.
lost horizon
Oh back in NH?
civic palm
It's still accurate enough, due to everything else not being accurate.
Yeah NH was bad for modders.
haha
Russians in specific.
lost horizon
Yeah, star augur lmao
civic palm
and Gul'dan cleave.
lost horizon
Oh I didn't know about that one
civic palm
Yeah you could draw circles around players to make sure you were never within X yards.
lost horizon
I didn't progress hard in NH, was my first raid
civic palm
Same thing would help with Vari.
civic palm
Yeah
I don't know if there was anything bad between WOTLK and Legion though.
In regards to broken addons.
lost horizon
Probably minor stuff at least?
civic palm
Mmmm, dunno.
It's usually something rather bad.
Like the world mapping that was broke in WOTLK.
Would make Maw trivial for literally everyone.
Although now that I think about it, even telegraphing everything people would still get hit.
lost horizon
World mapping?
civic palm
Yeah think about.
Being able to draw where it is safe to stand and where it is not, ingame, at all times.
lost horizon
Sounds pretty damn handy
lost horizon
LOL well
Ideally in game visuals should present the same sort of thing
I get why it's gamebreaking
But dark purple soak circles in a dark purple room with other mechanics that put dark purple voidshit on the ground makes me wish they'd add a little contrast
civic palm
Well the visuals don't present the same thing because this is telling you where bad things will be, not just where they are.
The player range-finding was particularly bad.
I don't think you can rangefind using trade anymore, might be wrong about that.
I could see having Cone of Death telegraphed could be better, but they want you to learn the range and radius, not just be told it.
You could also rangefind for TOTEMS, much more helpful but maybe a bit much.
lost horizon
Well that's the same sorta thing, swirlies spawn, then bad shit spawns after
civic palm
Yeah the only negative that we have now.
lost horizon
Cone of death is a good example though
civic palm
Is that sometimes the animations are not as large as they should be.
lost horizon
Of where that kind of add-on would be busted
civic palm
Cone is probably the best coded telegraph this expansion.
It's infinitely repeatable and easily dodged once you are used to the width.
Things like Kin beam are awful.
ALL beams have been bad this expansion.
lost horizon
There's things that really fuck with me though in dungeons particularly
I used to play until pretty recently on a garbo laptop
So min all graphics settings
And it was horrible
civic palm
I do that anyway, just not on the like, DX2 settings.
Things still look great, just lower distances, shadows, etc.
lost horizon
Last boss of CoS the piercing gale has no ground effect on low graphics
civic palm
ha
lost horizon
Or at least no visible one for me at the time
civic palm
There ARE some settings that are lower than low.
lost horizon
So I'd memorize the way each clone was facing so I could try to be not in the line it faces/extends behind
Brh second boss, the eyebeam
I didn't even know it left shit on the ground behind it
civic palm
heh
lost horizon
There's literally no visual for that on low settings
lost horizon
My gf plays on a bad comp still and she had to drop to single digit fps by upping her graphics just enough to see it
Worm boss in nelths lair same deal
I'd watch my debuff bar and just tap strafe until I saw that I was out of the green debuff
midnight latch
plain thistle
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