like its fucking retarded
#assassination
vapid moth
lost horizon
At least 18 is reasonably higher than the weekly cap though
vapid moth
2.6k or so if you have just 17s
primal tangle
18 is pretty chill
lost horizon
I agree but man if you're trying to push...
primal tangle
though tyran
lone junco
we +3d a fort upper. from 17-20
lost horizon
There's some really shitty pugs out there
timber mauve
vapid moth
i cant push at all just for that reason
lone junco
but some keys would be hard for us at 18
timber mauve
dude demanding 4k, is 3.8
lost horizon
M+ score isn't exactly reliable but it's all we've got
lone junco
what addon is that?
timber mauve
ya
spare cloud
my best seat is a depleted 16
lone junco
we did 16 seat. but it was gross
timber mauve
meh, im 2.7 cause i dont give af
lost horizon
I think my worst key is still a lower
vapid moth
i 2 keyed a 15 seat
lost horizon
Not even THAT bad compared to seat and shit, I just haven't gotten to run one with an okay group
vapid moth
that was really a great group
lost horizon
My first 18 way back was a seat... It was horrible
Damn was the 21 pre nerfs too? @gusty kestrel
lost horizon
Wasnt crazy but they reduced the number of tentacles that spawn and shit like that
Seat without a warlock is so bad
lone junco
it was tuned a little high.
fast nacelle
my only seat key is still depleted +14 one
i think i played seat twice. 1x hc 1x 14 depleterino
not even interested in playing any seat anymore
lost horizon
The trash hits like a truck, you've gotta kite
fast nacelle
m+ became kite fest anyway
lost horizon
Well at least first packs
It's crazy to watch groups go nuts though yeah
Pull it all and kite the shit out of it
lone junco
our prob in M+ for the longest time, was stopping at each pack.
we wouldnt pull 6 or 12 or 20 mobs.
stuff would go smooth, slow as snot
no warlock hurt
our seat was 2h:54m
guy that tanked didnt tell me that it was the first time he had tanked a M+ ever
like didnt know his talents.
lone junco
me: why dont you have aoe taunt. or spirit bomb
lost horizon
Bursting at least you can just hold at x stacks
lone junco
bolster really slows us down.
lost horizon
Or heal through
lost horizon
Lower health mobs sub hurts bolstering
But higher health you can really even it out
lone junco
oh god. that DH was 946 ilvl tank. no wonder. everyone else is like 965
lost horizon
And help burn prio targets like mad
lone junco
we fixed our group to a set of 5 or 6 people. so things have been a lot smoother.
ill run with randos with my alts.
lost horizon
I have like, one dude that I'll run keys with consistently
Don't have a real group unfortunately
lone junco
the thing i was most impressed with my hpal. was bursting stacks.
i didnt blink at like 10-12
some stuff sucks. but bursting was fine
lost horizon
There was a point where I preferred pugs over guild groups, that's how rough it got
Now we actually have a good selection of decent peeps
lone junco
explosive is easy too. judge or shock or cs 👌
lost horizon
I feel you on Hpal, my pally alt made me actually like healing M+
Didn't really enjoy it on priest
lunar saffron
whats the best assas rogue weakaura out there
spare cloud
No, mine.
civic palm
All of them at once.
spare cloud
100%
gaunt moat
"best" is subjective.
i have linked my own WAs in the pins in this channel
you can also search wago.io for WAs
@civic palm don't troll new people
you too toph.
void pecan
Why are..
civic palm
Sure, just not all at once.
void pecan
some of the normal people white now?
civic palm
Yeah they left or rejoined.
void pecan
Oh. Alright.
gaunt moat
because that's what they want :x
gaunt moat
i have never abused mod powers
spare cloud
I left before
because a guy said that you dont need rogue discord anymore when you parsed 95% once
gaunt moat
spare flame
Hey dudes, can someone give me some insight as to why so many rogues swap to sub for mythic aggra?
gaunt moat
hmm, crazy people? :x
spare flame
alot more people play sub on that fight then any other fight in the raid it seems
I have a decent set I just couldnt see why that would be the case, if at all
spare cloud
I don't see that being the case.
But if its anything then its being able to shuriken storm the adds for increased boss ST
Yeh theres not really that many parses compared to other bosses
turbid harbor
it doesn't give allstar points so nobody really cares about it
obtuse cedar
you can abuse the fact that adds are being all stacked up near boss
to increase single target dmg
no other class can do that without wrecking adds too hard
turbid harbor
if you have more than 1 rogue doing it the ads still die as well
have to take turns
spare cloud
Maybe for increased ST dmg? Because of shs
obtuse cedar
dunno, in our guild only 2 rogues are doing it since we don't slow with dnd
out of 4
and they are making it so each week different people do it lol
dire remnant
how much crit % is needed to get 1% assuming you have 0 crit strike?
honest needle
on high command mythic is it ok to do finisher with 3 or more combo points if we are spammign fan of knives
wise frigate
Finish 4+
earnest sparrow
any1 could give me some tips in how to get 90+ parses in H aggramar , its the only one i'm having trouble with
supple hearth
turbid harbor
somebody got banned for posting that yesterday 😡
earnest sparrow
hahah .
supple hearth
its literally pinned. I doubt they were banned for posting that
probably for something else
turbid harbor
it was deleted within 3 seconds
and the next thing he said too
it was on wednesday at 10:03 pm GMT
his 2 messages were deleted and he was banned, it might not have been for posting the image but it was 3 seconds after he posted it
and his other image was a heart that i saw so it probably wasn't that 😄
supple hearth
nobody was banned on wednesday
he probably just deleted it himself and left or something idk
bans u
turbid harbor
maybe he posted it and deleted it within 3 seconds
i don't know for sure he was banned, just that his messages were both deleted by somebody which could've been himself
maybe he found it here and wanted to link to his friends because it was such a cool image!
zealous summit
Hey guys, new to the server gonna be pushing mythic content soon. Trying to improve, I've made some changes recently and my most recent logs are on normal. If someone could analyze my logs and throw some tips my way https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kiljaeden/peyt
I try to line it up with KB but I checked the assa guide and it said not to wait more than 5 sec so I started doing that and I saw improvements
I did worse than I should have on vari for sure
yeah, some times I get caught between choosing rupture or keeping up envenom
that's the only thing I could think of that would cause that, I'm usually pretty on top of keeping envenom up during kb
Yeah, 1 envenom during tb is pretty bad lol
I think I focus on using tb and kb as they come up sometimes without thinking about making sure I'm not gonna have to refresh rupture
I appreciate the tips
grand sigil
Just curious roughly how much mastery is optimum
onyx falcon
as much as you can get
zealous summit
make sure you're checking stat weights, most of the time mastery should be #1
in which case you can never have enough
onyx falcon
@gusty kestrel are you ever actually in outlaw's channel? XD
grand sigil
I have roughly 12k mastery and 11k crit but both of the stat weight is really close
onyx falcon
whats that in % o.o idk stats off top of my head
cause thats eems like a lot of crit
zealous summit
you have too much crit imo @grand sigil
grand sigil
150% mastery and 39% crit
onyx falcon
@ tisu, i went into outlaw spec the other day for like.... an hour
i have no idea what the actual numbers are for the stats XD i just look at %
grand sigil
the thing is it seems to be the best gear when sim so not rlly sure about it
It feels like i have too little mastery based on percentage
onyx falcon
grappling hook does fun things in M+
zealous summit
I have 7,166 crit (28.92%) and 15,587 mastery (155.87%)
grand sigil
Poison with master poisoner
zealous summit
at 960 ilvl also
onyx falcon
i ❤ how bleed doesnt exist anymore... Poison Master Race >:D
SIM it
or just do w/e you prefer
grand sigil
ok
onyx falcon
curious what my Mastery % is when i do 240-250%
when i cheese it for fun
stat*
im at work LOL kinda multi-tasking
prob like 15-16K?
onyx falcon
theres a draenor discord?
turbid harbor
because i have lots of friends
onyx falcon
how dead is that realm, never even seen anyone from there
also we have the trifecta of outlaw/sin/sub here
turbid harbor
there's quite a few guilds on draenor
turbid harbor
i assumed tarren mill was but i don't know actual numbers
onyx falcon
tarren mill is prob just the most famous cause Methods on that realm?
turbid harbor
tarren mill has the most 11/11 guilds
by a long way
how did i forget about kazzak
i confuse the two
kazzak and tarren mill
always think they're same server
onyx falcon
-goes back into my US realm corner-
grand sigil
it seems to say that the higher crit gear produces higher dps
so run with the raw crit on the chest?
dire spoke
you don't wear mantle, therefore crit isn't dumped
mantle builds literally don't need much crit because of it
grand sigil
ok thanks 😃
dire spoke
yeah I highly doubt NS sims higher
drifting cloud
I dunno isnt that talent tree almost irrelevant without shoulders
onyx falcon
In reality NS is better for raiding though
drifting cloud
you can just highroll bota rupture in execute easy
onyx falcon
If you're running shoulders* mainly cause sub is useless on bosses, you really wouldn't waste your Crit window on dishing out garrotes
sacred citrus
soooooo
convergence plus boots?
yea
try it
it's rediculous
i got 9 vendettas off on argus
strange python
Wonder if you could vendetta on pull on kingaroth and it'd be up by the first adds.
grand sigil
Dont think it is possible tried it a few times
strange python
With convergence?
hazy iron
You say mantle builds dont need crit, but playing with low crit feels reallllly shit
strange python
I think it was more "they don't need high crit"
strange python
Dope
hazy iron
Whats considered high crit? I had 204% mastery and 22% crit, im now at 33% crit and 188% mastery and i still struggle with mut cp generation
sacred citrus
i have 27% crit and it feels low
hazy iron
No where near as badly though
sacred citrus
i lose out to other rogues
because they beat me on envenom damage due to low crit
@hazy iron don't believe that, you need crit
strange python
Bracer boot/bracer insig does will with high crit, as in 40%+
onyx falcon
im ~215% mastery and 36% crit not including EoC
sacred citrus
noobe
onyx falcon
go away noobe
sacred citrus
NOOOOBE
lone junco
close. 3 days in disney one in universal
@sacred citrus 7/7 + boots puts them at 45 sec apart
onyx falcon
7/7 + boots + CoF was ridiculous in NH
lone junco
niice
sacred citrus
10m
sacred citrus
is that me?
lone junco
yeah
sacred citrus
did i do it wrong?
lone junco
no it is right
sacred citrus
oh are you saying delay KB?
i dunno what i did
i read the guide
i do what the guide says
lone junco
yeah. if you had env earlyl, it would have gapped your env buff prb
lone junco
I like the tb in opening shoulder
sacred citrus
yea
onyx falcon
i hold it just cause im use to it
i know they said its better to do it at beginning now
lone junco
4.7m tb there
then crit the kb hit.
if you delay that tb, it will be out of conc. and non crit
sacred citrus
noobe
lone junco
y
sacred citrus
i sacraficed a baby to RNgesus
lone junco
4m pb tick
sacred citrus
we just did an optional
heroic
a
and RNGesus was with me
we are onaly 9/11
just got coven last week
sacred citrus
if you're free around 8pm to 12am eastern
and wanna do a heroic on thursdays
you should come
to just do rando parses
lone junco
NA Horde?
sacred citrus
ya
dire spoke
No, you're doomed to pump conc trait until ded
buoyant nest
?!
dire spoke
the one you got 11 in
buoyant nest
Keep putting em in that?
dire spoke
yeah
buoyant nest
Dont think id be able to
dire spoke
sin is stupidly easy, talent leeching poison and multidot
dire spoke
yeah that's when we did it around there
lilac lily
They are all pretty trivial if you have Will of Valeera
drifting cosmos
I think sin was the one that ppl did it with lowest ilvl back then
Was below 900 if I remembered it right
stark heart
Assa one is stupid easy
steep obsidian
It’s coz they use weakauras and mods it makes the game too ez
prisma gull
Speaking of WA, does anyone know of one that tracks the amount of Ruptures out? I can't seem to find any
civic palm
Considering you are melee, should be simple enough to just look at nameplates > _>
Try this though - https://wago.io/HkHlmao0b
No picture so, who knows.
prisma gull
If there's a few mins yeah, but it's a massive clusterfuck if there's like 10 of em.
Cheers ill give it a look
steep obsidian
Do you have stacking nameplates on?
civic palm
Yeah Overlapping is booty.
steep obsidian
It shouldn’t be that bad to keep 3 rupture rolling
civic palm
Not at all.
steep obsidian
Then again most shit gets blown up so fast nowadays it doesn’t matter that much
Cept high m+
prisma gull
Nameplates don't overlap, they're just piling on top so I have a beautiful waterfall of names and bars :)
main storm
Hello everyone. If we take a boss like garothi mythic. Considering i have almost the same rng on different pull. How much dps the mantle of assassin will give me compare to the vendetta boots ? I mean if im doing 1m7 with braccers and vendetta boot, what should i do with braccer mantle. I would like to know if my dps will get a good boost when i will drop the mantle.
civic palm
Considering Garothi is basically standing still, just SIM the sets against each other on that kind of boss.
flint fable
jovial kite
civic palm
Quit posting pictures of yourself, jeez.
jovial kite
civic palm
Look at that smarmy motherfucker!!
zealous dew
💢
plain thistle
where is don when we need him 🤔
velvet urchin
hello everyone...can someone help me about assasination
zealous dew
go for it man
jovial kite
Dont worry im down with the don @plain thistle
plain thistle
🤔
humble crane
If you cloak plague on Vari mythic, does it remove the debuff and pass it to others =P?
zealous dew
to vari as well
civic palm
I wish.
viscid helm
jovial kite
shrewd night
fiery nest
fervent beacon
open reef
guys - question about agrramar mythic, does ranged debuff "move away from raid" and/or technique "all move away from boss" empowers small adds ?
shrewd night
All fire damage empowers the boss
So if you have flares going around randomly
You are going to have a good time progressing
open reef
ok, how we do with technique - we put melee group soak 1st then ranged right boss leg left boss leg next, was wondering to avoid some risk due to ranged debuff grip and control adds in line boss-> melee -> small adds
shrewd night
Empowers the boss? I meant the adds
So flares, technique
Whatever really
Although as a melee, I generally snooze through that fight so I cant tell you specifics on raid placements and such, I just know that empowering adds = bad, bad knocks = bad
So someone else should probably answer that
open reef
k thx
floral loom
how much of 20-24 m+ is it a preference to choose sub/assassination?
sand whale
there should be a stack point to bait flares for ranged
but your ranged should have things figured out like positioning etc
verbal falcon
Depends on dungeon a bit as well @floral loom . And group comp. But Sub is generally preferred in m+
floral loom
trying to figure out with this gear if it would be better to swap for sub
everything is tailored towards assn so much, not sure if sub is just an uphill battle
e.g., i took a break in tomb so I don't have 2 pc
t20
verbal falcon
You mean switch to sub for m+? Or raiding
dire remnant
anyone here got a toon on lightbringer?
floral loom
switch to sub for m+, @verbal falcon
without the right gear, i'm wondering how viable sub would be relative to assn
verbal falcon
Well then your sim dps isnt that hugely important as long as your sub isnt too får below ur assa sim.
floral loom
sorry, included the sim more for gear than score
sand whale
do you have t20 2pc? fiber
floral loom
no
sand whale
and do you have glaives or other aoe trinkets
floral loom
no
sand whale
if no then honestly stay sin
strange python
Without a Guild ist kinda hard to get with Pugs in Tomb Mythic...
floral loom
ya, my guild isn't running tomb mythic
verbal falcon
Are plenty tos mythic pugs
strange python
Ye
strange python
But 90% of them reach first 2 Bosses :/
floral loom
biggest thing holding me back is aoe
so hard to compete with other classes
as assn
and PB rng is not fun
verbal falcon
It's fun when you get lucky :D
floral loom
trinket wise, how important is seeping scorgewing?
sand whale
the higher the key the less noticeable imo
there's a point where sub just drops off
past the initial burst
verbal falcon
Well yeah, when adds have too much HP the burst sub has matters less
And sin is good for sustained dotting
floral loom
what's the best way to improve assn aoe?
strange python
According to Herodamage the best Comb is 2er T20 and 2er T21 (not 4er), right?
(For Sub, sorry)
sand whale
ask in sub XD but it depends on your pieces so you need to sim
strange python
Ye Wrong Forum sorry, just asked here since Fiber was talking about the T20 Question anyways
verbal falcon
Yes Wusor 2p/2p for aoe
sand whale
aoe tips - not much... really does depend on PB but 2-3 pb procs on packs is enough to overtake sub sometimes
but in my m+ groups I'm usually the priority target guy
floral loom
and you stay assn?
floral loom
and if we're in a lesser group where 21's are still an achievement, seems like assn may have the edge on sub too?
sub burst seems to be one of those things where if you have a strong aoe comp that initial burst is super helpful, but if the mobs live past that you could be in trouble
where as assn is a bit more consistent throughout?
sand whale
yeah I think so I mean I played a lot of sub last tier and right now I truly prefer sin in m+
even a lot of people will say GO SUB
zealous dew
you need to have the group to play for you if you sub
like pull 6 mobs
pull adds into bosses
etc
sand whale
I just run my normal ST trinkets which is golg + fang atm
zealous dew
rupture does more dmg than envenom if has full duration
so env 100% up then rupture if full dmg
and fok till tomorrow
sand whale
^
zealous dew
just sim a 5/7 target 20s on raidbots
check DPE
and you will find out what to cast
floral loom
cool, thanks all
fervent beacon
@dire remnant hey Voidbutt here
shrewd night
zealous dew
stark heart
shrewd night
prisma gull
Why on earth would you have 4 rogues? Or any class for that matter
quick ice
Splits? ☹️
brisk forge
Good way to Fuck up the fun 😏
zealous dew
fun in this game 😄
fiery nest
cause fun 😃
shrewd night
I mean. Theyre not twinks. Theyre sitting there gathering dust.
So personally, I fail to see the fun aspect
fiery nest
actually my 60 and 70s aren't in full BiS due to the recent scaling changes
but theyr'e close
i'm not trying to run 200 BRD coffer runs to get double "of the monkey" rings
ah my trinks are scuffed i must have logged while testing
but thats 30%+ vers
prisma gull
Well, whatever floats your boat, but I can't see myself enjoying it lol
fiery nest
its fun 🤷
vers fell out of meta tho, those gems and chants are old news
been about 4 or 5 months since i logged in to them
want to see a tryhard, look at this lol
he farms with me sometimes
double dark iron rings
about 1%
that ramstein trink does about 1/3 of your health
and its like 10% drop rate
gaunt moat
ashkelon, lol, that's a name of a city here :X
fiery nest
really 😃
gaunt moat
fiery nest
cool u live in isreal?
gaunt moat
yah
fast nacelle
i wish i would live there too
gaunt moat
@fast nacelle wish i could live in germany, let's trade
fiery nest
same
fast nacelle
israel is my fetish
fiery nest
i know u saw those isreali IDF
gaunt moat
that's funny cause i like only russians.
fiery nest
mmmm
gaunt moat
you know, not everyone here is gal gadot XD
fiery nest
gaunt moat
@fiery nest doubt it... anyways #off-topic etc. heh
shrewd night
fiery nest
nah hes right my bad
verbal ingot
9 finishing moves
poinson bombeedoobeedoo bomb where are youuu
verbal ingot
all the time
steep obsidian
normally get pb as the tanks are positinoing its like a feelgoodman feelsbadman moment "woo shoulderbomb" "fk"
shrewd night
rogue on PK
PK casts her big ass aoe of shit
tank moves boss
proc PB twice while on the move
frozen pecan
shrewd night
zealous dew
don't use finishers on the move 😃
steep obsidian
it probably worht just sitting in stealth until boss is in place true
at least with crappy tanks who move like spastics
i like the monks who speed taunt from ranged constantly those make me happy in the pants
light jacinth
🍆
undone nacelle
Alright so I finally got +3 MAss and it feels like it aligns really nicely with kingsbane coming off of cool down now. One thing I don’t understand is that going from +2 to +3 MAss... the cooldown only decreases by something like 4 seconds. I guess it’s just hard for me to believe that just 4 seconds off vendetta is such a big dps increase
I feel stronger but the math feels like it doesn’t add up
I previously ran +2 MAss which as we know is reallllllly bad
zealous dew
do we ?
shrewd night
#Feelycraft
zealous dew
#roguethings
shrewd night
I used two ma for the longest time, but it worked fine with me because no shoulders
steep obsidian
i ran 1 mass for ages 3 is heaven in comparison
frozen pecan
I only have 1 atm feels fine 🤷
steep obsidian
yeah i dunno jus "felt" weird holding cds for that long
more feelycraft bois
it simed almost the asme for me /shrug
frozen pecan
what do you mean cds, you only hold vanish for vendetta right
prisma gull
What's the lowest theoretical CD you can get on vendetta? With 3 relics all of which has it on 3rd tier? Or is that even possible?
shrewd night
7/7 mass, CoF, boots.
CoF ~12 seconds
Like.. In optimal situations, probably around 45~50 in raw unvalidated napkin math?
zealous dew
napkin with lipstick ?
shrewd night
Yes
prisma gull
I'll accept your napkin math :)
prisma gull
You sure you got enough pawn strings? :)
prisma gull
Maybe if I start doing higher keys I'll add more, for now one is good I reckon :)
shrewd night
I only have one, because Im just that lazy
That and I have yet to run into a ML that gives a shit about pawn percentages
marble hemlock
its pretty simple anyway
singletarget mastery>crit, aoe mastery>vers
done
im just happy i finally got a good ring, was running around with 960/965 for ages
zealous dew
that sub ring
marble hemlock
top3 for assa too, after vault/eoa rings
zealous dew
dht hov have pretty good sin rings
marble hemlock
theyre crit though
zealous dew
yarrr
marble hemlock
for trash you want mastery+vers
zealous dew
i switched to the dark side 😃
marble hemlock
theres only 4 of those in dungeons, only one has high mastery
other 3 are, in order, eoa, lower, coen
😦
how dare you
switch to sub? 😦
marble hemlock
i always felt that as sub you really want a good tank
zealous dew
tonks pulling 3 mobs
marble hemlock
so you can do some decent pulls that you can do good dps on
as assa it thankfully doesnt matter as much, or at least it doesnt bother me as much when tanks keep chainpulling or pull smaller
zealous dew
yeah played a nl 22 last night, top dmg aparto from evisc was shadowstrike
enough said
marble hemlock
yikes
zealous dew
1gut 2 stabby 2precision and 1fortune's i think
marble hemlock
playing sub with only 1 gut? :x
marble hemlock
thats worse than playing assa without pk 😄
zealous dew
yeah but i never bothered collecting relics 😦
i hate this relic system
deeply hate it
marble hemlock
itd be fine if switching relics wouldnt destroy the previous one
jovial kite
I got bank literally full of them
zealous dew
do you have 2x fel gutripper 960+ =? give
marble hemlock
only 1, and it has stabby :<
zealous dew
😄
zealous dew
lolz 32
marble hemlock
im a DH now
midnight latch
rip
all pug healers are useless
told one to shut up and heal
he called me kid
and left
shrewd night
I KIND of want to have a healer
But I wouldnt be able to heal anything but fivemans
midnight latch
we proceeded to finish the key intime anyways
shrewd night
I remember doing a mythic+
Tank dced midways through
Hearthed out and respecced after waiting five minutes
When I got back to the dungeon he got back online
zealous dew
this one had 3.9k score
died again twice on feed
no baer form looks like
finished not in time
oh well
marble hemlock
😦
spare cloud
Which team did swag join
Did he replace musclebrah?
The shame continues
Well at least its a good team he joined
Sad that the whole group couldnt make it
Cuz of nel
safe tiger
http://prntscr.com/j4rjbh is this any good?
zealous dew
free vanish !
safe tiger
yeah but in combat aswell?
zealous dew
yeah works outdoor
edgy anvil
dope for the pvp world quests
viscid helm
midnight latch
is to smoll
tepid ridge
hi guys
does raidbot using prepot / pot ?
and if yes does it use it when < 30% when we sim with bracers?
spare cloud
Rude giggle
supple hearth
how
midnight latch
adrenaline rush 
supple hearth
I took it off a random sim in botspam
tepid ridge
he's right ^^
spare cloud
40 year old black men are always right
supple hearth
if you think that's rude 🤷 you're probably going to struggle
spare cloud
Im struggling already
midnight latch
@supple hearth btw ur not blushing
should I do something about that on ur avatar?
supple hearth
ye
tepid ridge
I mean you're not rude @supple hearth 😄
warm parcel
supple hearth
its not angry blush
tepid ridge
on this report how am I supposed to check?
supple hearth
on the right tile there is a hyper link to "full html report"
scroll down to action priority list to find out when/conditions of potions/etc
zealous dew
man this day never ends
tepid ridge
potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.time_to_die<=60|debuff.vendetta.up&cooldown.vanish.remains<5
so it doesn't take bracers into account right?
spare cloud
Bracers are calculated over the whole fight
As a set amount i think
Correct me if im wrong
tepid ridge
btw thanks for the help @supple hearth looking at full html report is very instructive 😃
spare cloud
You can also look at when apl does what
There is a sample iteration under the priority list
midnight latch
arent the pipes OR linkers?
so there are 3 cases when to pot and all are simulated?
tepid ridge
oh nice advice toph 😃
midnight latch
and time to die < 60 is most def in execute
tepid ridge
anyone did a good weakaura who calculate the time left to the boss taking into account all dps of the raid
I mean an estimation?
spare cloud
Idk if apl values bracers accurately
viscid helm
pretty sure ERT has that build in
midnight latch
@tepid ridge u can use ERT which has it build in
tepid ridge
my potions timing is terrible i guess
viscid helm
Naya
spare cloud
Else check priest discord
viscid helm
stfu
tepid ridge
ok thanks I'll check this out
midnight latch
@viscid helm remember who u talking to mate
tepid ridge
the openner is different of the one adviced on ravenholdt
lone junco
@tepid ridge the ERT time to death is based on current decay rates. so if you see 60 sec. it will be less than that due to executes. so on long fights I just hit at 30% else hit at like 1:15-1:30. depending on fight phase ofcourse.
strange python
The sim uses vendetta first yeah. In practice I don't think a lot of people actually do that
lone junco
if using shoulder bracer do this
tepid ridge
I'm doing this one already @lone junco
lone junco
good
tepid ridge
vendetta with garote on pull sounds like a waste of energy 😮
spare cloud
Its not much
viscid helm
I do it
strange python
In the end getting vendetta on cd asap is more important, at least justified by the sim
spare cloud
It gets some better timings
lone junco
tbh, from the shadows will fire off whether you are in melee range or not. I dont like it.
spare cloud
So it can be worth it if you play completely right
tepid ridge
but it also sounds like a +5s crit of vendetta
strange python
yeah noobe I don't like how from the shadows can take nightstalker
lone junco
garrote and rupture are in shoulder and tick every 2 sec and the mut crits anyway.
strange python
does every dot tick at 2 seconds?
spare cloud
It does buff the mut though
lone junco
i dont know about garrote tick rate actually
strange python
thought garrote was every 3.
spare cloud
But its not worth it if you lose an envenom buffed
hoary copper
Woah Flowi is back
spare cloud
At the end of vendetta
You pretty much have to play flawlessly for it to be a realistical gain
In my opinion
viscid helm
np
lone junco
one of the important parts in the opener is making sure that tb and kb crit. under vendetta
5m TB is nice
so keeping that open tight is important.
strange python
huh, my tb ain't 5 mill
strange python
probably concordance and fang agility
lone junco
was big boi numbers
guy also was hitting near 9m env.
not me. 😦
for the vanish ns.
tepid ridge
anyone here playing head over bracers (I think I'll do this because kinda bad head and decent bracers) ?
strange python
ive had a few 9.2 ish envenoms noobe
and people generally dont use the head leggo since the tier helm is so good
lone junco
you can run your log through the wow analyzer to see what the bracer value is. its typ like 5-6% for me. but if you have a lot of executes in raid, and no one is dying, then i could see it dropping considerably.
tepid ridge
we are trying argus MM atm and I'm not sure if you should be playing head or bracers, I mean the P1 when we try to skip something + the fact that he goes from 40% to 60%
lone junco
mythic argus? everything ive seen is bracer.
due to an extended execute phase
insig bracer with EP. seems fun there.
lost horizon
P1 prog you should swap to help push
I went bracer for a while but there's just no point if you're not even seeing 30%
I swapped to belt just to help push p1 more consistently
lone junco
I did the same for KJ. we had so many pulls to wipe in intermissions, that belt made sense
lost horizon
Would've gone boots but didn't want to get used to the adjusted vendetta timing
tepid ridge
we have actualy some issues to see even P3 x)
so I should go belt to help pushing
then swap for the kill when it's more consistent?
swaping belt / bracers won't change much about rotation I guess
viscid helm
I was progressing Argus with Pants/Prydaz
lost horizon
You're gonna have to wait for your raid to catch up in p1 anyway, while you're figuring it out I recommend swapping just so that you can get to p2 better while people are figuring it out
viscid helm
lone junco
manic vigil
Stop posting furry emotes then
frozen pecan
lulkitty is scary
manic vigil
It's actually kinda cute
But I got to stick to my guns now
Or whatever the expression is
manic vigil
But how many gear sets do you have
midnight latch
increasing urge to link Broscience vid
manic vigil
But if the earth is only 6k years old, how can you have that many gear sets
Makes no sense
hidden halo
Hey, I'm looking for some rogue advice for M+ high keys, I hear the best rogues are Ashine & Miracle, do they ever post tips? I really would like advice from actual good rogues
midnight latch
@manic vigil
lone junco
@hidden halo actual good rogues. 🤷
hidden halo
Yeah i know there are some memers in here who are pretend-good, like @sand canyon
glad ferry
No good rogues in here. just 1/11H rogues
hidden halo
atleast i was told by a few reliable people to avoid his advice
lone junco
what key level are you currently doing?
hidden halo
14 maw
midnight latch
lone junco
wut
glad ferry
14 HIGH KEY OMEGALUL
lone junco
🎣
manic vigil
midnight latch
lone junco
isnt the MDI advice for maw == play monk
manic vigil
Nice resolution naya
As far as I'm hearing, the latest wisdom is to fuck wow and play sts 
glad ferry
reported
hidden halo
tbh they need to nerf rogues
hidden halo
i think poison bomb should be moved to a talent tree
lone junco
it is
lone junco
👮
hidden halo
i would love if i can use 2h as my rooge too becus i luv tansmog to hav big sword
like lich kin
lone junco
fast nacelle
vernal adder
Hey
honest pelican
for the vault ticket, i see people saying you can only get 1 a week to enter and pick items, others say you can get it daily? or virtually every mission you send on can have a chance to bring a ticket back
which ones right
manic vigil
Tyra, pride of the alliance, my favorite dwar... Never mind 
glad ferry
Vault ticket is once a day
frozen pecan
🎣
hidden halo
dont question me please, ive forgotten more about mythic+ than you even know, you pale in comparison to me
haughty beacon
Starting m aggramar prog soon. Any rogue specific tips?
strange python
O
strange python
Well that settles that
frozen pecan
alliance 💪
manic vigil
Now see, if you had 23 sets, I'd take you seriously. But 22 seems kinda slacking
lone junco
I mean, i have a glaive with verse gem and one with mastery gem.
get on my lvl for the +14s
manic vigil
See noobe gets it
vernal adder
lone junco
Guild: do you really "need" that
me ML: yes
tepid ridge
in MM+ as sin how is the best way to vanish?
can we vanish straight after a PB proc ?
foggy flume
at pack sure
midnight latch
@strange python how much RAM did u download to run sims around the clock?
foggy flume
prob at any case vanish + PB good
lone junco
I use the vanish in the fattest packs and bosses. also depends on the group comp. Do you NEED to burn vanish for that pac?
strange python
@midnight latch I just tap it every so often and it works
midnight latch
👌
tepid ridge
I mean you wait a PB proc to vanish or juste vanish and try to get the proc ?
vernal adder
try Overclocking your monitor
lone junco
our warlock does like 40m trash packs, me like 8m. so trying to squeeze out on extra pb crit is kinda limp
foggy flume
vanish is good for roling pb becase fok=5kp or 6 kp almost any times
vernal adder
just let other classes do the work in trash, oh its about pushing keys nvm 
lone junco
tldr, I wouldnt play vanish around the pb proc. I may go hard and do a vanish env fok env fok env
vernal adder
its a rat now?
lone junco
@marble hemlock do you ever vanish in trash because you procced a PB?
or do you plan the vanish better than that
steep obsidian
if you doing really high keys using it on a random proc doesnt seem the best to me
tepid ridge
RNGesus :<
steep obsidian
for lower keys using it when you get a pb seems ok if ya just want to pad overall damage?
marble hemlock
vanish on bomb is usually the way to go
tepid ridge
on ST :< kappa
marble hemlock
its less about the packsize and more about whether i know itll be up for a boss again
tepid ridge
yeah you need it on boss and you let it go when PB on a decent pack I guess
lone junco
sure.
marble hemlock
the bigger the pack, the less i care about vanish being up on the boss, since i can just run a no-mantle singletarget setup and dont really lose much dps anyway
vapid moth
When you play NE you don't need to vanish on packs 😏
marble hemlock
depends on the boss really
vapid moth
You... You use shadowmeld...
marble hemlock
bracers/boots mostly
also somewhat depends on whether i know ill get an additional vendetta out of the fight ^^
lone junco
yeah. I play boot on tyr
marble hemlock
vanish is less relevant on bosses and more relevant on trash during tyrannical weeks
since trash dies faster, bosses live longer, so the singletarget burst is less relevant while the aoe burst is more so
vapid moth
I should play bracers boot more for bosses. The rotation frequently gets messed up so not everything is aligned anyway
marble hemlock
and you can usually get another vendetta or two out of longer bossfights, so boots are stronger too
and keep vanish for trash, which is nice
and if you dont want to wait for a bomb, you can just envenom when a big pack is sub 30% hp, vanish and 5x 
lone junco
we fat pulled Nelth before rock boss.
lone junco
shoulder/bracer
lone junco
cape is for sub
sullen mountain
the fan cape is sub only?
lone junco
not sub only, but only good for sub
lone junco
30x in a shoulder/shd/symbol is like 4m per hit
marble hemlock
nah
marble hemlock
even though you a lot, the major part of the damage isnt from the fok itself
but from the effects it procs, i.e. poisons and poison knives
sullen mountain
yeah its the dots
marble hemlock
neither of which get boosted by the cape
marble hemlock
and since those actually do get affected by the 30% execute, which is when you will have everything ramped up to the max, you almost always go bracers
well, you rarely get to stack to 30
marble hemlock
it can be nice for the first pull each dungeon, especially if its a big pull, or to swap it in after RP events where you can stack it up
tepid ridge
and what about relics?
sullen mountain
like arcway
tepid ridge
x3 malch x3PK?
marble hemlock
malch+pk all the way
lone junco
i wish
marble hemlock
arcway has no RP events
marble hemlock
only one where swapping in the cape mid-dungeon is worth it, is BRH after 1st boss, for the spider-staircase