if you are to look at statistics.
#assassination
lone junco
sullen mountain
i got a R1 parse as UH DK third week on PK because i was only 1 of 3 people in the US with 970 ilvl
drifting cloud
dont bother with ilvl parses with noobe you wont get anywhere ;d
sullen mountain
AMA
lost horizon
Right, but you're inherently at an advantage with your setup, for your ilvl
lone junco
sure. i would be low orange purple as bleed with my poison ilvl
lost horizon
Had a lock accidentally forget to take off his lovely charm bracelet or some shit
Parsed 100by ilvl like 3 times going 'why tf is my dmg so low'
lone junco
tbh, i dont care about ilvl parse as much as I do beating simc for that attempt
lost horizon
Before he realized
sullen mountain
orange is all that matters
lone junco
meh.
lost horizon
I think the simC comparison is MORE valid for exsang
But it's still iffy in my books
lone junco
most of my advice is for people that are grey/green/blue/purple anyway
but i get people asking log review for mythic argus progress
lone junco
it is what it is.
lost horizon
Dude in here earlier was purple avg wasn't he? Like that's fine
Just depends on your standards
lone junco
no one can roast my bota fishing. cause idc what the apl says
my fave ABSOLUTE fave
are people with 99 99 99 heroic. but green by ilvl.
975 and no fucking clue how to play
NO CLUE
thems my fav
strange python
ooo thats me, 970 and no clue, thats me 😄
lost horizon
Er
lone junco
its just a bell curve.
lost horizon
Tbh that's fair LOL
lone junco
if you are 50 you are avg
lost horizon
Just like how captain lovely charm bracelet got ez 100s
vestal wren
speaking about parses on a spec where pb impact is the main parse reason 🤔
lone junco
pb doesnt make you grey
lost horizon
Fuu with the bait
sullen mountain
no but it does make you R1
sharp viper
@vestal wren ssshhhhh my 20% poisonbomb dmg on high command is pure skill
3.3m dps thanks to skillbomb
sullen mountain
hey those pbs just dont come out of nowhere! you gotta cast a finisher
vestal wren
i know those ppl with 30% pb procs are the first pointing out their skill due to logs
sharp viper
just because i am that good /saber
lost horizon
Honestly I haven't checked my ilvl parses for a very long time, I could be in that boat
I know there's times where I've parsed garbage for ilvl but still decent overall, and honestly
lost horizon
If that's in heroic... A lot of the time it's cheeeesy af
sullen mountain
its mythic
vestal wren
its not all pb
sullen mountain
thats def not all pb because that fight is 90% single target
vestal wren
parses are not only personal effort tho
lost horizon
And to be fair @lone junco you did pick a really good player on a fight where PB is less relevant
sharp viper
gear is also a factor
lone junco
ofc it is.
sullen mountain
that guy is like top 10 US rogue players easy hahah
lone junco
sure.
vestal wren
gear, strategie, luck, killtime
vestal wren
e.g. look at the top sub parses on high command
the raid team literally let some ppl do adds alone
#skill
lost horizon
But honestly ilvl parses get very heavily skewed
sullen mountain
they literally solo the intermission
lone junco
@vestal wren yeah, ive seen people just die to let 4 dps handle all adds
its pretty gross
lost horizon
Lots of cheese
sullen mountain
they measure epeen
and mines gonna be the biggest
who wants to look at my parses
lone junco
I dont gaf about max parses.
never said i did.
I care about consistent high avg.
and personally want to beat my simc expectation.
I personally will never be 100gold in heroic, with people stomping it in mythic gear
so Ilvl is all i have to see if Im doing a good job or not.
i always make mistakes
can roast my own log and find 50
every time
sullen mountain
thats why theres logs for ilvl and damage
sharp viper
the median is way more interesting than best performances due to the rng mentioned
vestal wren
itemlvl measures agains the same itemlvl
lost horizon
By ilvl is a good metric for if you're about avg ilvl or slightly below/above
lone junco
ilvl is a smaller bell curve for sure.
vestal wren
tho it is due to the small sample size w/e
lone junco
I prefer compare tool
vestal wren
you cant apply the bell curve
as its not the same base for everyone
e.g. you assume everyone has the same gear, good team, killtime,strategie
if thats true you could say the distribution matches a bell curve
vestal wren
e.g. alone the time you get to the boss decides your log
drifting cloud
like I said 10 min ago pointless discussion 😄
lone junco
👌
sullen mountain
now
lets got to the outlaw channel and talk about RtB if yall really wanna talk about RNG
vestal wren
i had a slightly higher killtime, worse gear and points in the weapon parsing 85-90%tile or so, while pyllero parsed 100%tile on the fight with lower damage etc...
lone junco
thats why Raid leads requireing orange or what not, is rediculous.
vestal wren
looking at early logs you would say pyllero is best rogue 100%tile ....
just to get beaten by a lower equiped rogue TC with a worse raid group
sullen mountain
there are no other metrics in this game for skill unless you read everyones ability use log
vestal wren
that doesent even have the same amount of gear
lost horizon
Well I mean to be fair expecting a decent performance avg isn't unreasonable
lone junco
same. my logs are good cause we dont have 2 warriors to steal the execute
lost horizon
Depending on the content you're doing ofc
lone junco
@lost horizon i want our guys to be 75% ilvl.
not unreasonable. better than the masses
strange python
Like how my argus logs are dope since I'm the only person hitting the nature damage add
lone junco
doesnt happen. but its a good target
lost horizon
Right on, and that's awesome for the content you're running, same for me
I like parses and shit but
sullen mountain
it is all about being on top
lost horizon
I try to compete within my raid cause it's more applicable
sullen mountain
hes got a point
lost horizon
I'm not a great player, but it's fun to compare and improve
sullen mountain
that warlock sucks
sullen mountain
l o l
lost horizon
Then bad
lone junco
he died tho
lost horizon
But still good
sullen mountain
even worse :X
lost horizon
I'm still without a coven kill, feelsbadman
strange python
It's ok we don't have Tom to lose his mind whenever someone says the word parse
lost horizon
LOL ret.. oof
drifting cloud
when you literally need people to suicide for your logs
lone junco
anyway, yeah i still do log reviews, as a heroic scrub
sullen mountain
i dont need people to suicide in my raid when 2 people die every pull anyways 😃
maybe i should roll ret
lone junco
sounds awful
strange python
its ok noobe, right here with you.
well, I did garothi a few times with pugs. does that count
sullen mountain
show me a 2400+ CR screenshot as RMP and ill take that over any 95% parser any day
sullen mountain
why not that means they have incredible game sense and communication
spare cloud
2400?
lone junco
sullen mountain
id rather gear a 910 2400+ rogue from RMP
spare cloud
thats like nothing
sullen mountain
lol
drifting cloud
pretty sure 3k players could get 2.4k being afk 😄
sullen mountain
ok but theres also only like 100 2400+ rogues in NA
if that
theres a hanful of R1 rogues NA
vestal wren
btw. i dont think logs are useless, but they are not a good messurement tool for skill.
strange python
damn he told you
sullen mountain
im saying a 2400+ rogue is better than a 95% rogue
spare cloud
I'd prefer a grandmaster in overwatch
drifting cloud
as your comparison
spare cloud
over a challenger in league
indigo jolt
hidden appearance is off rares in underbelly right?
strange python
yes verasin
lone junco
@vestal wren tools. of course. its a better tool than a label. but anyone that looks at logs or sims or play, should be able to distinguish situational complications. Like Pod time. or triple mut in shoulder.
sullen mountain
takes a lot of communication and game sense to get 2400 as rmp
steep obsidian
i know players who are shit on prog die all time and suck but they can parse 95+ on farm because they are selfish
indigo jolt
Ty connor
sullen mountain
not just arcane 1 shotting
spare cloud
The skillsets are different
lone junco
i will say dps is far easier to review than healing.
spare cloud
the statement is nonsensical
thats it
You can't compare 2 different things
Like said
sullen mountain
it is to an extent yeah
spare cloud
"I prefer a challenger in league over a gm in overwatch"
vestal wren
btw. pvp rating has nothing to do with pve skill
final star
Excuse me
sullen mountain
how so
gaunt moat
@steep obsidian tell me about it... all my gorothi worldbreaker parses suck
cause i'm the only one who goes to soak stuff, while the rest want to log good...
sullen mountain
bruh that was almost 10 years ago
sullen mountain
but you do taunt in PVP LUL
drifting cloud
damn you got me good
steep obsidian
@gaunt moat my old guild would wipe repeatedly unless i soaked at the very back of the room on krosus and dpsed and interrupted as many adds as i could on the way, some ranged wouldn't take 2 steps
steep obsidian
then we kill it "lol i got a 100% parse" 0 add damage 0 interrupts 0 stuns
gaunt moat
@steep obsidian same deal for us...
melee needed to run all the way to the back. cause ranged can't move 2 inches.
annoying as hell.
steep obsidian
mistress broke me, we had ranged who just wouldnt stop dpsing and pushing shit to fast and bursting down teh adds so we couldnt make gaps in the wall
lone junco
np
gaunt moat
a lot of guilds get stuck in progress, cause they recruit people based only on orange parses, without further inspection
for example, my old guild asked me to look at a rogue they wanted to recruit
he has good parses
but i looked at his history
he had grey parses for every boss at the start of tier... cause he died. all the time.
sullen mountain
but he learned so thats good
spare cloud
consistency > 1 good parse
steep obsidian
that is the definition of a shit prog player though
lone junco
for the record Logs really really helped me. seeing what people are doing in timeline is far superior to a text list of abilities.
People shit on logs, but from an educational stand point to get people from grey to blue, they are FANTASTIC
gaunt moat
but you want someone who's good from the get-go. not someone who takes 2 months to learn @sullen mountain
steep obsidian
those players hold you back
gaunt moat
obviously improving is also important
steep obsidian
if you the first to die constantly on prog
sullen mountain
well thats not necessarily true notter
and you know that
he couldve just got back into the game
sea legs ya know
steep obsidian
unless they are giving you a hard job to do no reason to die as a rogue
and i don think any job has been hard for a few expacs ;P
lone junco
thats why I like rogue. so slippery.
gaunt moat
@sullen mountain that is also a valid reason. but even then, shouldn't die as much.
sullen mountain
yeah its reallyreally hard to die as a rogue unless youre literally blind
but still
steep obsidian
you can make twice as many mistakes as a rogue as a hunter
sullen mountain
especially for current tier prog
steep obsidian
and not die
sullen mountain
take him
but if youre recruiting for next xpac and relaly investing in this guy
maybe not
vestal wren
you can turtle as hunter
spare cloud
@steep obsidian youre saying there hasnt be a hard job in a few expansions
what was a hard job back then then?
drifting cloud
you cant turtle when youre already dead
sullen mountain
brackenspore was a hard job as mm
gaunt moat
for me, looking at a guy like that, is a major red flag, when i'm thinking about taking him to progression.
vestal wren
also ranged position usually tent to be more strategic planing
steep obsidian
umm i had to solo the downstairs on valiona on my own for 10 man heroic prog, that was sorta hard at least for me
vestal wren
ranged gets bitch job because it is efficient to let a ranged do it
vestal wren
its encounter design
lone junco
we had a melee imbalance then.
like 8 melee 4 range
was pretty rough
made tich easy
vestal wren
you take a ranged over a melee usually
sullen mountain
@gaunt moat unless you have a cornucopia of rogues to pick from with the same parses, yeah i agree
lone junco
"take"
gaunt moat
@sullen mountain also people like that tend to overvalue their skill
vestal wren
yes if you can change your raid comb dynamically you usually go ranged heavy
unless there is a encounter that benefits melee a lot
steep obsidian
more guldans pls
spare cloud
No point argueing
lone junco
we have a fixed mains roster for entire tiers.
lone junco
some times it sucks tbh.
vestal wren
e.g. helya was an example for a encounter design that is good for both
turbid harbor
hunters die all the time
lone junco
@spare cloud Nibren
turbid harbor
turtle doesn't save you
vestal wren
you still took rangeds > melees
lone junco
our hunters die a lot
turbid harbor
from damage that occurs every 30s
spare cloud
@lone junco Can't tell if irony or for real
sullen mountain
they dont have very good defensives
drifting cloud
everyone knows the best rogue is yliajo
vestal wren
well those are the classes that have low survival tools
lone junco
not irony. but not 100% truthful
sullen mountain
enh doesnt either
spare cloud
Can make a point for every rogue that plays in method
turbid harbor
wait until you get to aggramar/argus
spare cloud
🤷
drifting cloud
wheres alaiz thesedays
lone junco
alaiz is dh
drifting cloud
oh ok
lone junco
bailed at the tier drop when sims showed Sin dumpster
vestal wren
DH masterrace
lone junco
then we got the boof
sullen mountain
fucking mongoloid spec
spare cloud
🤷
sullen mountain
dont worry theyre getting rid of that for all classes in BFA
lone junco
hard pass on that shit
lone junco
hince
spare cloud
assa is like 40 apm atm as well
lone junco
I have to yell at people. no time to stare at my procs
spare cloud
I also like the
sullen mountain
jesus
lone junco
20 apm with top 3 single is fine by me
sullen mountain
im gonna be a pirate main bfa
lone junco
whackamole specs dont make me happy
sullen mountain
isnt poison bomb going to be a talent in bfa lol
lone junco
yeah,
strange python
confused why 970 haste mastery ring sims higher than 950 vers/mastery
sullen mountain
mastery heavy shit is real gud
spare cloud
I think longnoodle is a troll 🤷
lone junco
haste is DEF a zero in M+ trash sims.
vestal wren
pb is a talent yes
manic vigil
Bfa will kill wow. You heard it here first. What a bold statement that has never been made before 
lone junco
meh.
strange python
maybe vers isnt as high in my stat weights as i think it is
vestal wren
ppl assume wow dies for years now
lone junco
free me from this shit.
vestal wren
i doubt that
spare cloud
You know whats gonna die
sullen mountain
sea of theives is the real wow killer all the outlaw rogues stopped playing to play that
lone junco
@strange python Mastery crit, and crit mastery still bis.
vestal wren
bfa however has not a great storry
manic vigil
Indeed toph
lone junco
i dont care for story, but I do like killing pirates
manic vigil
Also could you post the sign
vestal wren
or a theme that makes you "OHH I NEED TO PLAY THAT"
spare cloud
I think bfa is a filler expansion like wod was 🤷
sullen mountain
bfa is quite lack luster from what ive seen
spare cloud
except for raids that is
manic vigil
Ok not sure fuu got it
lone junco
i loved HFC
sullen mountain
its Legion 2.0
vestal wren
hfc was rly good
lone junco
I liked a lot about Legion. Orange drop rate was shit. and destroyed relics were shit.
other than that. I liked a lot of it.
sullen mountain
theyre basically taking all the bad stuff from legion out and making the good stuff better for bfa
spare cloud
strange python
my various crit mastery 945ish rings dont even come close to the haste mastery
turbid harbor
while neutering all the classes
spare cloud
I think we're slowly approaching Xaethron levels.
lone junco
@strange python if you are in shoulders, that makse sense
sullen mountain
there is no super crazy new thing theyre doing like how artifact weapons or AP was
turbid harbor
should i know who xaethron is
spare cloud
You shouldn't
gaunt moat
@turbid harbor better not
spare cloud
You're better off without knowing
sullen mountain
i left this discord once i got my first 95% parse in NH as Assa
nothing else to learn /s
spare cloud
It's like riding a roller coaster after eating a whole lot
strange python
oh damn my crit weight is higher than mastery
spare cloud
95% parse = nothing else to learn
🤔
If thats the case
I'm out, cya guys
thanks for having me
fast nacelle
u are finally gone?
lone junco
Can always meme the #off-topic
fast nacelle
bye
lone junco
As a raid leader. I have always found that high pvp players learn quickly.
Regarding fight mechanics and footwork.
sullen mountain
yeah and you usually have to know the spec really well anyways to pvp
so that translates well into raiding
lone junco
High warlord however. Not a good benchmark.
vestal wren
we had a gladi recrute
and he was rly bad
like the player you meme about in your raid
sullen mountain
well current gladiator is different than like 8 years ago glad
vestal wren
but refused to take any advice from any filthy pve plesent
so i dont value pvp payers high
its not personal but it has 0 connection to pve for me
so i seperate it, and see how the player peforms
shrewd night
'Scripted raid encounters are SO easy, thats why you should play against other players'
vestal wren
its not unusual, a lot of pvp player look down on pve
sullen mountain
got 2k on a few different classes since
vestal wren
but fail horribly in it
sullen mountain
and it's really insane how much you can learn from pvp
steep obsidian
this chan is pretty easy to bait tbh
i dont use weak auras they make the game too ez
vestal wren
shrewd night
iLevel parses btw
sullen mountain
ive raided at a fairly high level since wrath as rogue
and rogue in
pvp is a whole different ball park than pve
the best pve rogues can be shit in pvp but a good pvp rogue can still do pve well
sullen mountain
thats only because gear plays a big part
turbid harbor
i watched pshero kill kj heroic 2nd or 3rd week the content was out
sullen mountain
you dont need 95% mastery and crit cut offs for pvp
turbid harbor
used his pvp talents
played like garbage
i don't think it makes much sense to compare
sullen mountain
streamers dont really apply
shrewd night
sullen mountain
they can get carried by the community
placid egret
Xd
sullen mountain
anyone playing like shit on heroic kj isnt going to kill it
especially if they fuck up the mechanics
even more so that early in the tier
OK this conversation isnt going much of anywhere if no one has actually pvpd competitvely before
but ill end it on this
people who get high rated as a class are more adaptable
turbid harbor
he literally stood next to the boss, did 0 mechanics and did shit dps
and he killed it
zealous dew
what did I miss ?
steep obsidian
yeah there are very very few people who have raided AND pvped at a very high level in the same expac
stark heart
steep obsidian
I'd be more inclined to listen to what they say then us jus spouting crap in here
turbid harbor
bearing in mind this is when sub was godlike
steep obsidian
😦
vestal wren
there are many players from top guilds doing pvp
turbid harbor
he was playing vigor instead of ds
shrewd night
'PVPers can be great PVEers, but it doesnt work the other way around ever' if you come in here spouting that kind of crap you get a surprisingly low amount of people willing to discuss
turbid harbor
it's just a time investment
he clearly had not invested time into being better at pve
just like i cba running around in arena
sullen mountain
im done with the conversation relaly its not worth it but give PVP a shot if you want to learn something new and challenging
vestal wren
totally wrong
pve carried a lot of pvp in earlier xpacks
it works both ways but beeing good at one does not mean beeing good at both
strange python
🐝
sullen mountain
ive invested a lot into both i know what im talking about
shrewd night
🤔
strange python
you can be good at both, no one said otherwise
but. correlation does not imply causation and all that.
fiery nest
5/11m lol
strange python
also, that's a funky way to spell rogue
turbid harbor
why would you link terrible uh logs in a rogue discord?
vestal wren
your pvp rating is also not that good
fiery nest
Because you got to bosses that require a brain
strange python
he doesn't have to be 11/11m to have good logs
sullen mountain
no it isnt
vestal wren
so you want to say you suck at both equaly?
vestal wren
i dont get the argument then
shrewd night
Longnoodle - Today at 6:52 PM
ive invested a lot into both i know what im talking about
vestal wren
and sry if that came out rude
stark heart
wise frigate
fuu with the 🔥
sullen mountain
"he clearly had not invested time into being better at pve"
- Zolbar
is why i linked
yeah i played rogue last season
wise frigate
I don't even know what's going on in this channel any more.
strange python
why say anything then
sullen mountain
just jerked off as Dk with friends who hadnt pvpd before last season
sullen mountain
jesus christ lol
wise frigate
You don't, because you should be using Alacrity.
zealous dew
alacrity 😄
steep obsidian
thanks guys!
strange python
you must prove that you're toxic enough to use tb
wise frigate
steep obsidian
sullen mountain
i only brought up the conversation in the event of a current season 2400 with low gear vs a guy with 95% parses from say the tier before
i would take the 2400
thats it
fiery nest
Neat
vestal wren
i would take the 95%
placid egret
But why though?
wise frigate
^
vestal wren
as he has experience on the fights and good parses
while the other one has a high pvp rating
sullen mountain
95% from long ago
placid egret
If you take a 940 2400 over a 95% parser with 970 you might have brain damage.
zealous dew
I've seen a 7200 monk rolling into other packs in hov while stunning the whole party with thunderstrike
so no pvpers kk thx
vestal wren
did you see the 3 monk combo in pvp?
sullen mountain
yup
strange python
7200 you say
vestal wren
sth like that should not exist
sullen mountain
no it shouldnt
zealous dew
(sarcasm)
sullen mountain
and neither should tanks in pvp
but thats an entire differen discussion
pvp will never be balanced beacuse this isnt a pvp focused game
thats why there arent real rewards for 2s
because its fucked
its more fucked than 3s or rbgs thats for god damn sure
sullen mountain
i really shouldnt of even brought this up
vestal wren
all fine 😃
sullen mountain
its insanity to argue about pvp with people who almost exclusively pve
vestal wren
i played pvp up to ~2.1k in wotlk
placid egret
It doesn't seem like you pve at all
vestal wren
i sold my account after wotlk and started again in end wod
placid egret
You did mythic prog for 4 weeks and quit.
sullen mountain
yeah thats because the majority of my friends dont want to mythic
strange python
Because pve means mythic only right
vestal wren
well depends on how competitve you think
sullen mountain
i still do tons of M+ on all my chars and clear heroic
ive never even pvpd until Legion S5 lol
until then i was exclusively pve
sullen mountain
well i would mythic raid more but when i did this tier it was literally just waiting on 20 retards to not fuck up on one pull
vestal wren
they try to improve pvp as it seems in bfa
sullen mountain
not worth my time
vestal wren
so hopes up for the small pvp crowd
sullen mountain
gotta get kills to get into better guilds
that was my plan in that 4 weeks i did
vestal wren
if you are on a big server, go to a better guild if you want to pve
placid egret
^
sullen mountain
breh
fervent beacon
manic vigil
That emote is disturbing voidbutt
trim dirge
I think I’m offended by it tbh
fervent beacon
trim dirge
It’s suspiciously well done
placid egret
vestal wren
so you say this is not a women?
https://twitter.com/Sneaky/status/984161058775490560
placid egret
Traps aren't gay btw
sullen mountain
is that really sneaky
placid egret
Yeah
sullen mountain
what in the fuck
vestal wren
^^
placid egret
Did you see his lux cosplay?
sullen mountain
YES
fiery nest
Snacky is hot
trim dirge
Sneaky is a true real life trap
fiery nest
?
sullen mountain
like theres no way that is just for the memes
vestal wren
there is sneaky and boxbox doing cosplay like that (those are at least the 2 i know)
vestal wren
boxbox did it recently also
placid egret
Box box does it constantly.
fervent beacon
I wear thong when I'm stripping
sullen mountain
are you a dude
fiery nest
how can you see his underwear
fervent beacon
$$$ is $$$
sullen mountain
no way he isnt wearing womens underwear
sullen mountain
snacky plays league all day hes not benching anything
manic vigil
Void butt also gets bjs at remote abandoned power plants from strange girls tho
So there is that
sullen mountain
hell yeah
manic vigil
Ikr
sullen mountain
the pinnacle of sexual encounters right there
is toxic blade gonna be on the same row as vigor in bfa?
did i see that somewhere
placid egret
Same row as venom rush
sullen mountain
yeah that
placid egret
Ye. Venom rush, tb, exsang
trim dirge
Venom rush got nerfed though right
turbid harbor
yea it's venom walk now
manic vigil
manic vigil
spare cloud
@Zempai I'm going to the store really quick then I'll continue running hc you can join if you wanna
And if someone else wants to join
dire spoke
oke
lone junco
if angery is frown, are you happery
gaunt moat
blushery
jovial kite
fast nacelle
keen inlet
sadery
midnight latch
looks like concernery
scarlet hawk
RELIC vs RELIC: (940 Master Assassin + Balanced blades) vs (960 Master Alchemist + Master Assassin). Thoughts?
for bleed obviously.
marble hemlock
sim it
scarlet hawk
Yea I would but I just can't be bothered right now as it's completely aids to sim relics 😦
Wait nvm that's wrong
sullen mountain
do people actually play exsang?
rancid blaze
So I simmed myself and it's coming up with the head/shoulders. I have every leggo but every rogue that i see is running shoulders/wrists. What gives? Is the helm that strong? I'm confused. I thought the shoulders and wrists were bis. Please help lol. Thanks.
lone junco
@scarlet hawk tbh, the vendetta bb. and vendetta malch are pretty close. if either has shocklight, that would prob push it over.
@sullen mountain just 2.
sullen mountain
already more than i thought there were
sullen mountain
fucking unicorns
safe tiger
thx
scarlet hawk
before it goes off*
scarlet hawk
Ye just before it blows
safe tiger
niceu
rose bluff
amanthul vision is a good trinket for assa ?
lone junco
not best, but can be good if you dont have the 1000 argus
rose bluff
thx dude
safe tiger
lol the guild went ham bcuz i didn't move on sleep
then they noticed i cloaked it
priceless
topaz axle
Love when the ret pally yells "F***IN MOVE" right before it's supposed to go off and then nothing happens.
Classic
zealous dew
ret pal 😄
buoyant nest
What's BiS right now? for leggos, havent played ina a year
north basin
guys with which ability u attack add at varimathras myth? do we switch or
buoyant nest
tyty
plain thistle
envenom
north basin
waste 4cp on shades?
zealous dew
env
lone junco
"waste"
dire spoke
eviscerate
or poison bomb
in a good roster you either play the fitting spec or you're allowed to tunnel
fickle lava
does everybody here actually use the Sugar Crusted Fish Feast?
lone junco
in M+ the fish works in 1 tick
vestal wren
yes, i use it
fickle lava
i cant tell the difference in my dps
lone junco
in raids I use the mastery or crit or guild feasts
spare cloud
vestal wren
its 0.1% dps you wont notice
soft finch
Vers Feast is mostly for speed/convenience in m+
soft finch
Yeah exactly, fuuuuck quaking
dire spoke
we tried to rez on this bridge thingy in upper kara right before the chess event
impossible
fucking voids+quaking
but the key was rigged anyway, healer said he had red gear - I setup jeeves - healer said he doesn't have gold
marble hemlock
lol
soft finch
Rip
zealous dew
LOL
lone junco
my 4th alt is down to like 300g
dire spoke
🤷🏻 kicked and finished without him lmao
lone junco
dont blame.
wind gull
Hey gang. What’s the trick to cheesing dps on mythic high command. The other rogue in our guild is making me look stupid and I need to figure it out. Multi rupture boss and adds and spam fok envenom?
plain thistle
you pray
to the god
poison bomb god
if you did less than 20% of poison bomb, your log will not be amazing 😂
strange python
Sin the way to go for Argus? just checking quick
plain thistle
yes, sin is better for the fight
you can check warcraflogs for this type of questions
check dps and number of parses too, 42 for outlaw, 1103 sin and 64 sub. sin is more popular by far
spare cloud
Outlaw > Assa confirmed 🤷
plain thistle
🤷
spare cloud
I'm not ashamed to say that I'm one of the people that pulls the assa average down.
spare cloud
By not having played the boss and still doing the soaking.
lone junco
or max.
crimson knoll
Poor havoc DHs
green badge
Sorry guys dumb question! If I'm on 4 CP do I reapply rupture if about to fall off or do I need it to be 5cp?
spare cloud
lone junco
12 parses
spare cloud
Reapply.
spare cloud
Unless you are Bleed, then it looks a little different and is dependant on the situation
green badge
Thanks @spare cloud I'm doing poision build 😃
green badge
Yeah sorry just swapped from outlaw trying to learn it 😄 Felt dirty aiming for 5 when Mutil gives 2 😃
lone junco
my mut gives 3 or 4 😉
wind gull
Same
spare cloud
still a good chance you get 2
green badge
Assa seems complex at first compared to outlaw ^^
spare cloud
Assa is more of a specc where you're busy thinking what to do instead of playing fast paced
green badge
Yeah
lost horizon
Sin has more stuff you need to know compared to outlaw, but is far easier to execute for most
night vale
really, would have thought cloak was good for trash?
crimson knoll
Not going to get enough stacks
green badge
Is the Ravenholdt guide still good for assa?
night vale
okay cool thanks 😄
green badge
Sweet got some reading to do then 😄
lost horizon
Put up to 3 ruptures out but only if shit will last long enough to get some value @night vale
night vale
@lost horizon thanks, worth running moonglaives in places of EoC for trash?
lost horizon
Often you'll only really have one on a big target
lost horizon
Yes glaives are good, but if you want to minmax you should swap trinkets while it's on CD
It has a 30sec forced CD when you equip it anyway, so plan around that
nocturne gate
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/27106606 except coven/vari classic assa life :D
lost horizon
?
nocturne gate
aoe green logs st purple
lost horizon
Honestly we're pretty solid with AoE, back in NH sure
nocturne gate
not with burst aoe
lost horizon
But parses only compare you within your spec so, just work on improving AoE
Burst AoE is shitty without good procs sure, but you can sub in glaives to help out
nocturne gate
i know i consider to learn sub(but i hate it)
lost horizon
Nah I mean you can work to do better with AoE as sin too
lone junco
@night vale for Sin M+ i have 2 gear sets. One traditional boss damage, one fat mastery. You can sim 8 or 10 bosses patchwerk 20 sec. and see what that looks like for stat weights.
Its like 160 mastery 120 agi 120 vers 100 crit 6 haste.
basically it just prioitizes mastery for shoulder bombs
lost horizon
You run exsang in M+ too though don't you? @lone junco
lone junco
i do for upper
lost horizon
Honestly phat mastery is probably your regular gearset with poison
lone junco
anything teeming or fort is either sub or poison.
night vale
@lone junco ty man 😄 i only have 1 gear set and its fat mastery, im just gonna use moonglaives on trash
lone junco
my best shoulder poison is like 33/175 my m+ trash is like 26/200
but thats running Fel bombs over argus.
i dont have a 2nd to alternate with glaives 😦
spare cloud
Sub 🤔
lost horizon
My regular gearset is closer to your M+ trash set
lone junco
i never sell stuff, so i just dont have that fat mastery set
really lucked into the 3300 crit rings.
but they dont do anything for shoulder bombs
lost horizon
Yeah I'm lacking good rings
night vale
i have 27/206 atm
lone junco
but the 20 and 40sec sims really have me depressed with sin output. So im not really trying to compete
lost horizon
30/205 with EOC is pretty sweet
lone junco
arcane is in the 30m range.
lost horizon
Or is that counting full EOC stacks?
lone junco
I really do prefer the prio target dmg on fort trash.
strange python
No so it's really 35 or so
lost horizon
@lone junco sin does okay though cause it's not relying on any CDs
strange python
Yeah I got p lucky, can barely scrape a 2.2 sim though
lone junco
i wish i could run 7pk 7malch for m+
lost horizon
Def won't compete overall without luck unless the high bursty players are bad
@strange python for real? Do you just have a lot of haste/low vers too?
lone junco
I do the big rock guys, or pelters or bosses. let the cleavers cleave
2.2 would be good for 965 range.
strange python
971 ><
lone junco
my poison is 962-964 and i got stuck at 2.075 ish.
lost horizon
Eh I'm not too far ahead and I'm like 976
lone junco
doesnt beat my exang. but prob done for the tier
strange python
I think it's my relics, 5 mass 5 malch, 7 envenom dmg lol
lone junco
mass doesnt matter for m+ trash, so thats cool
strange python
Double murderous intent though, is nice for high rolling
lost horizon
I've got a strangler trait I'm trying to get rid of still
lone junco
bleh
lost horizon
Have been extending though so
onyx falcon
imagine if we could have 2 art weps.... 1 wep load it up w/ PK + MAlch, 1 wep loaded up w/ MAss/MAlch
lost horizon
No luck
lost horizon
Permanent choice between AoE/ST traits always feels bad
End up defaulting to shit like GR for sub
onyx falcon
at least its fixed in BfA
lone junco
"fixed"
dire remnant
anyone here with xp faction swapping? please pm :), i just wanna know what the best items to stock up on are in terms of fluidity for getting gold on other side
indigo idol
can someone help me quick? why does he do so much more dmg than i do even when i think i do the rotation better? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MVPcyWwp6AGT71jH#fight=36&type=casts&view=timeline
dunno would like to hear any reason
lone junco
@indigo idol Im comparing, it looks like he got a good bomb on the poison add
not sure yet
potent lintel
Do you guys track procs like legionfall with WA
spare cloud
No
obtuse bough
is it worth holding Vanish for 30 seconds to line it up with Vendetta when you have Mantle of the Master Assassin?
spare cloud
Yes
indigo idol
@lone junco the thing is i got more pb dmg overall
lone junco
@indigo idol he is bracer insig. with crit buff it is a substantial up time on EP very different than your shoulder bracer
can see that in the avg rupture values
potent lintel
When you use KB. Do you spam envenoms or do you just wait til it falls off before putting another
lone junco
I dunno. they arent close enough spec/gear for me to do in a few sec
indigo idol
yea i was wond4ring why his garrote ticks almost double than mine
lone junco
EP is really good for high crit
he just pumped out a LOT more cps per fight than you did
spare cloud
@potent lintel 
lone junco
due to crit rate
spare cloud
!singuide
chrome tuskBOT
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
strange python
You use env enough to keep surge of toxins and the envenom buff up during kb. No spam
and he use Elaborate Planning hmm
lone junco
In a standard fight. EP insig and Bracers can be about the same value
strange python
yeah thats the bracer insig build. Lots of crit and elaborate planning uptime
lone junco
meaning bracer is not godmode above all. its just like 5-10% bonus damage
spare cloud
Bracers are love
indigo idol
how much crit should i have with bracer insig?
spare cloud
Until it sims higher
strange python
~50% is usual
spare cloud
You don't have enough
lone junco
my bad. he is insig bracer
does death reset vendetta ?
at the phase
my bracer insig is like 52/115
spare cloud
Mine is 46/160
dawn fiber
Do i envenom on 4 CP???????
lone junco
4 or 5 !!!!!!!!
dawn fiber
Check pins :resident:
strange python
do not mutilate at 4cp
indigo idol
do i need t21 for insig bracer?
strange python
yes
spare cloud
???
strange python
if you meant to type t20, no
spare cloud
You don't need any set to play the builds 🤷
lone junco
you dont need 2p20 for insig builds
spare cloud
if you have no way of aquiring them
indigo idol
of course i meant t20 xd my bad
crimson knoll
That sims just a smidge lower than MP/Vig/TB for me
indigo idol
yea mine is like... well just lood at the pants
lone junco
7malch 7mass.
indigo idol
i got 7/7 too 😃
lone junco
Plus he has like 4 more sockets
w/e
Ep insig can also be the alacrity builds.
I hate dont prefer shoulder, so once you have enough crit, you can play a few options
@indigo idol thats a lot of argus farm.
strange python
also a lot more consistent than shoulders
lone junco
thats hilarious. My ilvl now is the closest to your starting ilvl.
vivid yoke
When should I hero/lust in the challenge? off the start?
vivid yoke
Aight
lone junco
I use a TTD tracker. so make sure it is either 40 sec or 30%
whichever comes first
and. if you are going to fail, its prob from missing the explosive orbs anyway
Time To Death
i only said bracer, cause if you fail to orbs, lust wont matter
but w/e
its pretty easy
timber mauve
bleed/poison is close to a wash right now, with poison having more upside but relying more on proc, where bleed is more reliable, still need bota procs but less spikey
vapid moth
"+18 DHT" "3k io +"
vivid yoke
guys it's okay, I didn't lust at all and 1 shot it
That challenge is such a joke haha
lone junco
it is at 960 for sure
primal tangle
what do i do if I have 4 cp?
lost horizon
@vapid moth that's not even bad
primal tangle
turn off my computer, right??
lone junco
it was easy at 920
lost horizon
It's the people asking 3k for 15 🤢
lone junco
can you even get 3k from 18s?
vapid moth
no
timber mauve
i got my dh tower at 880, i remember wanting to kms back then.
vapid moth
2.8k if you have just 18s done