assassination

[odd bone]

i have 200% mastery and 25% crit. would it be worth changing enchants/gems over to crit for poison build?

[sharp viper]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/56ZhuiYiBckjyM8dQtWdtA just did some sims, exsanguinate is too far behind for my setup

[trim dirge]

Sim and find out

[odd bone]

sims said it was practically equal, mostly was wondering for qol

[lone junco]

@odd bone the non shoulder builds of poison are like 35/170

thats with MP.

[trim dirge]

Then sure get some more crit

[lone junco]

once you change to EP, it can be 55/115

[jovial kite]

yeah

@sharp viper

[odd bone]

i'm running shoulder so that devalues crit slightly, yes?

[jovial kite]

vaiera switch mp to ep

duh

oh well u only got 1 ma

so its a nogo anyways

[lone junco]

a 975 CoF could work with 1 + boot 😆

[sharp viper]

i had EP in the sims for exsanguinate, 2113131

but yeah only 1 ma

i played some bleedy spec in some pugs, it is really fn to play but goddamn the gear and relic requirements

[lone junco]

if your crit is in the 50s you can def try Insig bracer/boot.

ep/tb

vendetta is nice there, not required

[sharp viper]

i am around 40% crit in boots/bracers offpieces setup

[lone junco]

prob good for the 2p4p Mp/tb bracer boot then.

subterfuge

[sharp viper]

yup

but well no t20, i got 985 coven gloves and 960 crit/mastery shoulders, they outweigh 2pc t20 and the qol is not that impactful on single target

i only have 930 t20 mantle and gloves

[lone junco]

can def do a 0p4p bracer boot like that.

w/e

Im just trying to squeek out more pbomb in M+ these days.

[sharp viper]

go alacrity for that

crit and haste

[lone junco]

@jovial kite you just memeing the shoulder bracer for pbomb logs?

seems to have worked for garothi.

lolol at that vanish

[jovial kite]

i like to play tb occasionally to keep the musclememory up

[lone junco]

yeah, Tb is almost dead to me.

i really dont like it.

only played on argus

[sharp viper]

for me it is the same macro/button, just press at different times

[lone junco]

exang plays differently

[sharp viper]

true but poison is insanely easy

[turbid harbor]

how is exsang harder

you get shitloads of free energy

[jovial kite]

you need to manage pandemic

to not waste cp and energy and dots

[turbid harbor]

I get that you don’t want to waste seconds of rupture setting up for your exsang

[sharp viper]

exsang is assassination on speed and crackcocaine

[turbid harbor]

but just cast a 4cp one and you’re fine

[jovial kite]

i think ur missing the point

if u just cast 4cp rupture

and then 6cp exsang

you waste alot

you need to manage your pandemic timings

for ur rupture before exsang

[sharp viper]

well can't manipulate the crit chance of your first mutilate

[spare cloud]

2 cp should do

in that case

🤔

[jovial kite]

yeah

[turbid harbor]

You just do 4cp into 4cp

[jovial kite]

but it rarely happens

[turbid harbor]

Then 6cp exsang

[spare cloud]

Just manage so you get no mutilate crits

but afterwards you get 1

[sharp viper]

what

[spare cloud]

[jovial kite]

you play around lowroll mutilates / kb

to set up ur pandemic

for 6cp exsang

[sharp viper]

that's not how either pandemic or exsanguinate works

zolbar

[lone junco]

yeah, 6cp 6cp.

[turbid harbor]

This conversation doesn’t seem to be worth having

[lone junco]

but im sloppy and just double mut.

[sharp viper]

6cp 6cp is so legion launch

[lost horizon]

I mean exsang or poison are both pretty faceroll let's be real

[sharp viper]

back when the duration was fixed and the dmg scaled with cp

[lone junco]

nah. can do it with high crit. otherwise it takes time to get the cps

[jovial kite]

exsang less so

[lost horizon]

Exsang definitely takes more effort though

[lone junco]

i like it a lot more. but I dont stress lost time on the rupture prior to exang.

Ill nail them back to back.

but i get a serotonin hit from the bota proc.

[strange python]

which way? master alchemist on right or left for master of shadows? 🤔

simming takes time

better ask here

[lone junco]

if you are asking about the vendetta vs malch, thats a preference for end gear

if you wont sim the 2nd row. just pick one.

flip a coin

[supple hearth]

sim for 100% factual answer
ask here for 100% opinion that is probably wrong because we dont know your gear

[strange python]

i have 190% mastery 🤔

[sharp viper]

@lone junco i only track bota in my interface if exsanguinate is talented, otherwise that debuff has absolutely no factor on your gameplay

[lost horizon]

^flip a coin if you're not gonna sim

[trim dirge]

Sinning takes 2 seconds on raidbots

[strange python]

too lazy for it

[lost horizon]

Then flip coin

[supple hearth]

^

[lost horizon]

Eenie meanie

Etc

[lone junco]

@sharp viper true

if too lazy to flip a coin. just ask your mom to pick purple or orange

[strange python]

will do next time

ty

[keen inlet]

Master all the Ass(assin)

all of it.

There will be no room for any other assassins, master or not

[sharp viper]

new avatar movie incoming

[strange python]

Last of the Ass benders?

[lost horizon]

For a name like 'randomizer' you'd think coin flip would be go-to strat

[sharp viper]

master of all the booty

[supple hearth]

🙄 i wonder if he has 1 master assassin and choosing that would be his 2nd

better have him pick that one

amiright

[keen inlet]

Can't have three without two

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[supple hearth]

x) not just saving one for when you have 3

[lone junco]

@supple hearth nah. too lazy to flip a coin, advice ends abruptly

[sharp viper]

you guys are being so toxic, i'll report that to AMR, how dare you not do all the work for someone too lazy to do it on their own, coming here to ask for help

[supple hearth]

im disappointed nobody responded with "too lazy to give an answeR"

[lone junco]

ill do it for you

[keen inlet]

I have gone to war against AMR for Discord in the past

[lone junco]

@ swol

[keen inlet]

I shall do it again

[lone junco]

i keed.

[keen inlet]

if necessary

🔨

[supple hearth]

Don Despot

cower

[sharp viper]

@supple hearth too much purple and orange in chat to give a sassy answer

[lone junco]

ask your mom to pick purple or orange

was pretty good imo

[supple hearth]

I don't think anyone is going to 🔨 you for sassing someone who doesn't want to put the effort into looking at resources. If you point out where the resources are its up to them to do it

[trim dirge]

When is orange never the right answer really

[supple hearth]

the hammer drops when you start insulting them

[keen inlet]

Don Jose in glorious full battle armor waging his heroic defense of Ravenholdt in the Great AMR War (Circa 2017, Colourized)

[sharp viper]

@lone junco do you pat yourself on the shoulder after you cracked a good joke?

[supple hearth]

me on the bottom left

[void pecan]

aren't you a pirate though?

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/smile-smirk-ryan-reynolds-dOxMHecx24CY

[void pecan]

that does not look like a pirate.

[calm grail]

Yes it does.

[keen inlet]

Even a pirate's gotta suit up

[calm grail]

That's a Chaos pirate

[lone junco]

whose head is that ?

[trim dirge]

space pirate

[strange python]

oh my

[supple hearth]

ravenholdt trolls

[thorn moth]

Is there a crit breakpoint?

[strange python]

not really

[calm grail]

Yes.

[thorn moth]

Someone said 35% made it smooth

[lone junco]

its not a break point.

[keen inlet]

I'm bad, this is off-topic. I'll take it back there

[supple hearth]

stack mastery until sims say not to 🤷

[lone junco]

the only break point we have is when poison crit or mut crit hits 100

[lost horizon]

Serated edge for rupture Crits too technically

[lone junco]

@thorn moth tbh, crit depends on shoulders. youll get different weights with or without

[sharp viper]

Don Jose (right) and Giggleblush (left) after the victory over AMR in 2017 (colourized)

[lone junco]

not enough beard

[sharp viper]

it got cut off in battle

[strange python]

And the jumping seals are us.

[sharp viper]

but it'll regrow stronger and bigger

[supple hearth]

horde (me) alliance (don). I like it 10/10

Noobe on the right

[sharp viper]

united forces regardless of faction against a common enemy

[keen inlet]

tbh that would be perfect if they were walruses leaping

(I just like walruses, don't @ me)

[sharp viper]

i don't think walruses are leaping out of the water that much

[keen inlet]

They only do it when you're not watching.

Man I really derailed topic. Ban me imo.

[void pecan]

you're purple

only you can ban yourself.

[keen inlet]

Is anybody on in here ATM on alpha and playing sin

[supple hearth]

i dont....think thats a walrus?

more like seal/sea lion

[keen inlet]

re-read what I said Giggs

lol

[strange python]

that's why he said it'd be better as walruses

[supple hearth]

oh

[sharp viper]

he knows, he is just wishing they were walruses instead

[supple hearth]

ok'

i read it wrong

thanks for the correction almighty despot

[keen inlet]

I'm curious about Crimson Tempest

[sharp viper]

i don't have alpha access (yet)

[vestal wren]

is not important atm

[sharp viper]

you mean alpha access or crimson tempest, fuu?

[vestal wren]

alpha access

there is to much missing/wip to be relevant

[sharp viper]

true but once i have access i would keep testing to see the changes

i only care about class balance tho, the ingame content like dungeons, quest zones, raids and such I want to explore on live

[turbid harbor]

that was a nice meme

[wheat solstice]

Hey guys for Argus, should we attack the physical or nature dude?

[lone junco]

@wheat solstice I put poison rogues on nature.

if you want, you can put up a garrote mut rupture on phys, then switch.

they arent far apart.

[wise frigate]

I garrote/Rupture physical, Rupture holy, then start on Nature. By the time you get to Nature the weakness should be active so you can go ham.

[wheat solstice]

thanks guys

[regal swan]

EU - Ally - Making a group for Mythic Elisande (I have the skip) - hit me with a DM if you're intersted in coming for COF!

[dire remnant]

got a 970 svirax grim trophy from cache 😃

[civic palm]

:3

[dire remnant]

and then the 2nd and 3rd traits ended up being absolute trash

😃

[civic palm]

P E R F E C T

[vivid yoke]

Hey guys! Any advice on the assassin mage tower?

[spare cloud]

Dot all they share hp

easy

use heal poison thingy if you struggle with health

and play mechanics

[civic palm]

Dip, Duck, Dive, Dodge, DPS.

[sharp viper]

kidney jarl only, kite him during his berserk or evasion, focus the caster, walk over runes, dodge valkyrs, blind sigryd on her cast, burst shield to interrupt the runespeaker cast, you can cleave jarl and runespeaker, once these two are dead the encounter is over, they share hp tho

[vivid yoke]

For a trinket whats better, 880 vers stat stick or 860 arcano crystal

my trinkets are shit lmfao

[lone junco]

[vivid yoke]

AY JUST GOT THE BRACERS

[lost horizon]

Grats dude

[primal tangle]

I need Toms advice

I want to know how to /gquit without making enemies

[fervent beacon]

I'm the new less toxic Tom.

Well basically just be like bye guys

[shrewd night]

a) your dog died
b) your cat got cancer so you need some time for yourself

Pick one

Guaranteed to work 50% of the time, all the time.

[fervent beacon]

Cat.

[primal tangle]

😢

[echo estuary]

c) you're all shit so im gonna upgrade guild, bai

[shrewd night]

without making enemies

[primal tangle]

d) im socially awkward so i cant abandon my friends

[steep obsidian]

just be honest

leave an alt in guild or something too

if you want people to hate you leave in the middle of the night and just go mia

[primal tangle]

Im thinking of doing that

[steep obsidian]

its what most people do coz you know wow players n all

but its frustrating as hell as a gm or rl and your "friends" will probaly hate you

[primal tangle]

Its true

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BCh98N6vAM7YZPfW#fight=last&type=damage-done

I think these logs should tell you

They arent amazing

[steep obsidian]

that log is a bit inflated coz your execute phase lasted ages coz people sucked balls 😛

[primal tangle]

Does execute acutally matter for sub?

🤷

[steep obsidian]

i thought it was a sin log didn't even look at spec

derp

[dire spoke]

[steep obsidian]

don't judge me

i am hard enough on myself for 5 people

[nimble tartan]

[turbid harbor]

[dire spoke]

[warm parcel]

[lament pawn]

I have 30% with eye of command and mastery sims higher than crit,should i try to increase my crit a bit for with enchants?

[turbid harbor]

but mastery sims higher

[lament pawn]

im getting 2 cp per mut so thats why im asking

[turbid harbor]

2cp mut makes me

[dire spoke]

tune the memeing down a little yo

[lament pawn]

is this server sudently a meming server

or?

[dire spoke]

assuming you run mantle 30 crit is totally playable, you should stack your highest sim stat

[quaint bobcat]

"Suddenly" 🤔

[lament pawn]

alright

like im afraid to ask simple questions cause i know im getting prob trolled or flamed

lol

[turbid harbor]

i'm giving legit advice

and showed sympathy for his 2cp muts

[dire spoke]

@lament pawn tell your friends RH is not shit pls

I'm here

[turbid harbor]

and 😡 are both good emotes

[lament pawn]

guess im whispering for answers then

[quaint bobcat]

Even if most of the answers will be 📌

If its simple questions that is

[dire spoke]

no one will give you false answers, they're sometimes cleverly packed inside a meme

[quaint bobcat]

^

[turbid harbor]

unless they're wrong

that happens sometimes 😄

nobody goes out of their way to spread misinformation on purpose

[lament pawn]

Ofc like i have gotten a lot answers from this server for the 5 months im in here

[spare cloud]

I do most often pack answer behind a meme because I want you to think for yourself and not get spoonfed the info.

[dire spoke]

also most of the questions have been answered 500 times and it's boring to just say yes or no sometimes

keep in mind that nobody owes you something

[lament pawn]

ofc

i ask questions that are not being answered every min

i try not to be that guy

But i guess i didnt set the question right in the beggining

[turbid harbor]

you asked if you should enchant a stat that isn't simming the highest for you

you can do whatever you want if you're fine with doing less dps

it'll feel nicer

[dire spoke]

if everybody were theorycrafters IQ200 this discord would be useless

[strange python]

there's people like me with very smol brain

[lament pawn]

So its not worth going into details about optimizing your gear idealy to balance your stats perfecty

[turbid harbor]

[dire spoke]

if you're able to play and plan around shitty CP generation due to low crit

do you have 30 with proc or baseline?

[lament pawn]

@dire spoke yep thats exactly what i was thinking

ehm

30 proc

[dire spoke]

whew

so on most raid fights you're effed

well the ring enchants wont help much but it could be worth to the playstyle

I'm assuming you're around 930

and still gearing up

[lament pawn]

nah

[turbid harbor]

you can sim different fight lengths, might help your decision

general rule is shorter fights make crit even worse with mantle

standard sim is 5min

[lament pawn]

hm okay

[nimble tartan]

who else hold tb no matter what B)

[dire spoke]

only sub rogues trying sin

cus SoD align with DfA too

duh

[hazy iron]

Im slowly getting there with my crit.. 27% before proc

Stupid ring and gloves holding me back

[ivory leaf]

quick q for vanish, how long should we hold it for vendetta ?

or do we only use it on vendetta

[plain thistle]

you hold vanish to use it with vendetta

always

thats for shoulder users ofc

[ivory leaf]

yeah

im new to mastering assas

i main outlaw

[dire spoke]

but you also shouldn't vanish on 40% bosslife or so

[ivory leaf]

is it good to have 3 master assasin relics

or is two optimal

[strange python]

Isn't there a website for this

[dire spoke]

you can check relics for your build on herodamage.com

[strange python]

That's the name of it

[ivory leaf]

i forgot they had that, ive been out of it for a month or so

[dire spoke]

@supple hearth

[plain thistle]

2 is a no no

😄

you want 1 MA or 3MA

[supple hearth]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[dire spoke]

that's a pretty basic answer not correct overall, Jhon

[plain thistle]

well, its kinda correct, the same way your answer about vanishing at 40% is not correct

😛

2MA is a spot you dont want to be if using shoulder, its either 1 MA or 3 MA, that doesnt mean 2MA will be a dps loss always

[dire spoke]

wait TB sim'd higher for you all this time?

I just don't like assuming peoples builds just for the sake of an answer impacting the overall gameplay

[plain thistle]

well, I knew that he was using shoulders, because of his previous question about vanish and vendetta

[dire spoke]

I see

never played boots-bracers idk how it affects vanish/vend alignment tbh

[spare cloud]

annoying af.

But then again you don't really care about vanish with bracers boots

just want as many garottes/ruptures depending on whats better

[dire spoke]

you just aim for pandemic vanish garrote or?

I mean, subt should sim higher than ns in most situations I think

[spare cloud]

Yeh

[dire spoke]

ohh I thought you switched to alac

[plain thistle]

yeah, 2MA for non-shoulder isnt a issue because you dont need to align vendetta with vanish

since vanish is just to refresh garrote

if using subterfuge ofc

[spare cloud]

With NS you just refresh rupture

and its kinda the same anyways

[dire spoke]

I just want the 50% mut crit dream

but it won't happen anyways

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/1aeb913c2b7a27e8b64f1113ef9423e0

I think for coven bracers value higher

for M aggrammar you might get like 2 extra vendettas

probably worth more

for that

[light jacinth]

🥒

[turbid harbor]

[dire spoke]

[onyx falcon]

what is the altracity build anyways, isnt its ring and something else?

^ nice ATC profile pic 😛

i feel like shes way older than she looks, forget how old she is

ah yea... she looks like shes 18 in some photos =.=

and rotation is normal just take out TB i guess?

[topaz axle]

probably real good for argus?

[azure geyser]

Hey all. Does anyone have a WA that shows which mob has the Vendetta debuff? Perhaps over their head or something like that? Thanks for the info! I just rerolled rogue last week after maining paladin for 10 years. Couldn't seem to find anything for this specific WA

[plain thistle]

why dont you use a normal frame? they already show that

nameplate*

like elvui, kuinameplate or any other

[azure geyser]

Oh fair point. I could make the vendetta one bigger than the rest. Thanks!

[shy kestrel]

@azure geyser I like bd_nameplates quite a bit

[dire spoke]

standard UI does this by default

thonkingemoji

oh, sorry I'm sleepy it's answered

[jovial kite]

[dire spoke]

[plain thistle]

YEY my first loot in almost 3 months 😂

960 tier helmet, finally it dropped

I was using a 955 one, not that big of a upgrade 😦

[dire spoke]

I kinda want to leave my guild already > _>

<_ < but I told them around may

[jovial kite]

[dire spoke]

looking at the roster we don't have a melee problem, the rogues are "solid" and know how to do aggr

I'm hoping for a kill the next two IDs

cba with leaving mid argus

tbh I also just want titanslayer and cutting edge

[plain thistle]

lol

like they know how to tunnel the boss?

[jovial kite]

tfw 3 hour clears

[dire spoke]

solid as in run their best gear since I told them and actually do the aoe > rend cloak if happening

lmao

[jovial kite]

oh to be 10/11 again

[turbid harbor]

no thanks

[dire spoke]

🤷🏻 I will join the sellrun in the new guild

so hmmm

I'll either leave on 24. of april

or 1. of may

[lean falcon]

Dat pb luck https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RJZnvhcmy2Bz6CfP#fight=6&type=damage-done

[steep obsidian]

dat feel when you don thave to do pods and get good rng

[dire spoke]

nice opener

also why are you delaying TB? if you're Settle @lean falcon

[grim canopy]

is vendetta 2min cd in bfa?

aww shit it is that sucks

[steep obsidian]

it is

[lean falcon]

Didn't notice I'll work on that 😛

[steep obsidian]

pfft dont worry about it just rely on getting good pbs its all that matters

[lean falcon]

LUL

[dire spoke]

were you trying special shenanigans with the adds or is that opener just fucked up

I just wanna know, to cheese dmg too

if possible

@gusty kestrel were you testing at lvl 110 or 120?

can't really judge from that tbf

[vivid yoke]

So I see that our food on the guide for assass is vers food. Is mastery or crit not better for us?

Fair enough

[steep obsidian]

I'd be surprised if i could find a gear set with ant gear where its not the best tbh

its very easy to keep a personal stack, the feasts are great for m+ too

[dire spoke]

wait

[lean falcon]

@dire spoke tbh I think I just fucked up somewhere 😛

[dire spoke]

sin looks so boring in the cast timeline

lmao

[steep obsidian]

you do notice kingsbane missing

i guess you could spec mfd or ct if you wanted another button

is it not worth pressing in st?

i havent tested it

i hope they tune it so its at least worth pressing last time it was in the game you could ignore it

[dire spoke]

I hope they don't make it a viable bleed on ST

[steep obsidian]

hmm i guess

[dire spoke]

it looks like

[steep obsidian]

i can't really see any reason youd take it though over pb

pb works in aoe and st

[dire spoke]

I'm sure there will be some shenanigans happening with stacking vers/haste/crit over mastery and pushing the bleeds damage

more than vers? oh

and haste affects both ticking speed ?

oh god this will be a mess I see it coming

how much haste do I need for an additional rup tick

[hazy beacon]

I am a bit concerned regarding news of slowed down gameplay on alpha

sin is already the slowest spec when we are weaving envenom buff

is it that bad?

[dire spoke]

you don't have TB and KB just like before Legion

yeah sure, just talking baseline

I actually only mained sub in WoD

can't even compare

why no

[viscid helm]

I would stay away from rogue completely

On alpha

[buoyant nest]

nyone have sterns discord? I used to have his addon profile

but cant find it

[strange python]

is there a mastery cap for the spec

thx

[dire spoke]

mastery softcap is have more than 0

[plain thistle]

[fervent beacon]

@viscid helm you shut up. I'm trying out OL ATM.

[viscid helm]

I didnt think it was possible to make classes worse than what they were in legion

But Blizzard is just to good at this it seems

[civic palm]

Will have to see.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid helm]

Every single class got pruned

[civic palm]

Yerp.

[viscid helm]

Didnt think that was possible

[civic palm]

Some got things back.

Like our CT.

[viscid helm]

Irrelevant

[buoyant nest]

Anyone have addons Stern used?

[viscid helm]

No

[civic palm]

Getting better tools for encounters is a win. Losing tools sucks ass.

Someone made this point last night, but how many AoE stuns are there now?

[fervent beacon]

@viscid helm But being able to play on tablet or controller

[viscid helm]

There was a picture of wow on console in reddit

Was some add

I bet its legit

[fervent beacon]

Could be playing BM hunter

[viscid helm]

Can play most of alpha classes

On console

Easily

[civic palm]

Could do it a decade ago with enough modifiers.

Just a pain in the hand to get there.

[viscid helm]

Maybe vanilla will release 2019

Can switch to that

[civic palm]

Betting on BfA content lull, whenever that is.

[fervent beacon]

Farming for Azerite cluster, what else

[viscid helm]

I like how whole ret community was against the colossus smash judg and complained about it all expac

Blizzard took it out for bfa

But gave it to DH

[civic palm]

They also get Execute back, then whined it doesn't 1-shot players at execute range.

Which I kinda get, but at the same time it's a mobile ranged attack, sooo.

[fervent beacon]

one thing that really bug me is the fucking gcd change

jesus christ man

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

How many specs are casting multiple buffs in a row?

Havoc lost Chaos Blades ye?

Warriors are boned for that stuff but otherwise I don't see it mattering.

Not like they're not getting compensated with duration increases or anything > _>

[viscid helm]

GCD isnt really an issue

[civic palm]

Has Feral had a talent pass? I see Tiger Dash but like nothing else.

[viscid helm]

It only affects warriors if you pick every CD talent

[civic palm]

Yeah.

and then don't know the order you should cast those buffs in > _>"

I kinda like it, feels like some old MMO where you are casting 100 different buffs on yourself and the group before nuking shit.

[viscid helm]

Its a dumb and pointless change sure

[jovial kite]

bfa last expansion

[civic palm]

Well it has a point...

[jovial kite]

Only casuals will play after

[civic palm]

Whether it's a good one or not is another thing entirely though.

So the same as now? 😛

[jovial kite]

there was hope

[civic palm]

Go play Wildstar if you want a challenge.

/flex

[jovial kite]

its even worse

[viscid helm]

Even the casuals are hating the class changes on forums and reddit

Blizzard just to stuck up

[civic palm]

The casuals aren't posting shit on the forums or reddit either, and if they are it's a tiiiiiiiiny number of people.

Probably fewer than Blizzard assumed would hate the changes.

If anything Blizzard is the opposite of stuck up, what with their changing everything, every fucking expansion.

These kinds of "mistakes" happen every time.

But hey we're getting CT back, that's neat.

[viscid helm]

Why

Its dead talent in PvP and raiding

[civic palm]

Mmmm, dunno.

Well there's that, no more bars in my WAs.

Got called out on it > _>

[jovial kite]

ct is worse pb

Its literal dead talent

[civic palm]

Gonna need to see some encounters before writing it off.

[jovial kite]

Unless they make aoe exsang or stackable bloodsweat ct

[viscid helm]

In what kind of boss encounter

Would u ever pick

That

[civic palm]

Eonar > _> ha

But even then.

[jovial kite]

no

[civic palm]

Not

really.

[jovial kite]

Pb better for max potential

100%

[viscid helm]

Mobs on eonar die to fast

[civic palm]

Depends on raid but yeah, low health till later, even then, low health.

[jovial kite]

only place ud pick ct is kiteable adds

Which doesnt happpen often

[viscid helm]

Fort week m+

[jovial kite]

as eg eonar adds are stunnable

[civic palm]

I think in my raid I would run CT on AHC frankly.

[viscid helm]

Is the only potential use

[jovial kite]

So pb would be better

ct is a shit aoe garrote

Depends on tuning ofc

But it was that in wod atleast

[civic palm]

Yeah my assumption is that the damage isn't horseshit.

[turbid harbor]

ya this all depends on tuning

but if it's balanced reasonably

[viscid helm]

Lets BE real

[turbid harbor]

idk when you'd ever take ct

[viscid helm]

Its not lol

Its gonna be garrote lvl dmg

[civic palm]

If the damage from PB relies on average RNG, and that's the same damage you get from CT (probably less for CT given the lack of randomness), they have a use, it just needs to be real.

[jovial kite]

blizz hates consistency

[main storm]

Hello everyone. Do we still use fok at 2 targets ? I saw someone here telling its 3+ now

[jovial kite]

So its fair to assume ct will be shit

[civic palm]

Yeah if anything it will start with booty damage.

Very easy to balance though, considering the completely odd lack of randomness.

[jovial kite]

ill be pleasantly surprised if it is a real pick

But really really really fukin doubtful

[civic palm]

There might be like, 3, in the expansion.

WTB some mechanics.

[jovial kite]

doubtful 🤣

[civic palm]

Yo I got like 2 years to find three places it's good, ezpz.

[jovial kite]

ur still against the odds

[civic palm]

haha

inb4 vers/haste scaling breaks it.

Whoops.

[jovial kite]

vers

You mean mastery?

[civic palm]

Sure sure.

[jovial kite]

The same stat that scales pb?

[civic palm]

Every stat really.

[jovial kite]

[steep obsidian]

wow this coin lock picking quest is like free 5k gold why did i not do this before

[civic palm]

Dunno why.

Thought it would be more annoying maybe?

PSN mastery scaling got kicked in the nuts IIRC already.

[jovial kite]

thinkythonk

[civic palm]

That's not even in a thing!!

[jovial kite]

it is

[civic palm]

ooo00o0o0oooo

Need some character transfers already Blizzard > _>

[jovial kite]

i need a real mmorpg

[civic palm]

Runescape exists, get in there!!

[jovial kite]

its even worse

[fervent beacon]

Guys, get ready to kill Notter in BfA

[zealous dew]

swtor 😄

[fervent beacon]

There's a killer rare bunny.

[jovial kite]

kotors are 10/10 games

[civic palm]

FF14 exists if you don't like lots of boss fights, or trash.

[viscid helm]

I'll prob play for 1st tier, by the time its over you have seen and done all the new content anyway

[jovial kite]

Shame the mmorpg devs are even worse than blizz

[azure geyser]

Sorry, for my original question about the Vendetta debuff being above the enemy nameplates. Is there a way to make JUST the Vendetta debuff bigger or more noticeable over the nameplate? Using Elvui

[viscid helm]

Should probably ask in the elvui forums/discord w/e

[azure geyser]

will do. Thanks

[viscid helm]

You probably need to fuck with white/blacklist and the command lines

IF you want it only to affect a specific debuff

[dire spoke]

clicking even easier in BfA

Time to go top10

[gaunt moat]

@fervent beacon huh? :S

there was always a bunny

[stark heart]

Buni will not enable war mode

Afraid of us

[gaunt moat]

in darkmoon festival

[stark heart]

Dunno how damage wise but Ct felt nice on alpha

The kinda issue was when you applied Ct you don't really have any other AoE to do

So you just fok envenom which is meh

[viscid helm]

Idk, i just dont see use for it

M+ on Fort week

[stark heart]

Why?

It's rather short for you to use it once or twice per pack and it's not rng poison bomb

[azure geyser]

@viscid helm Ended up using the addon "PlateBuffs" and having it only show Vendetta. Cheers mate, thanks for your help.

[stark heart]

What I mean by short duration is that you can be cp efficient with CT and it would still tick fully or almost fully unlike rupture

[viscid helm]

Sure but in what kind of situation would you use it?

Thinking back on Legion

[jovial kite]

@@# p@0

[viscid helm]

Raids

Id never pick it

[stark heart]

Well I am talking dungeons

[proper dust]

good evening new here i am fairly new to assassination am i wrong in thinking the spec is slow?

[stark heart]

For raids it's fair to assume we won't use it much if ever simply because there are classes/specs that excel at aoe

On live?

[viscid helm]

Ye exactly, so CT would only see potential use in m+ perhaps only on Fort weeks

Cos PB is still a decent chunk of dmg on bosses

For tyrannical

[gaunt moat]

Vizantius it gets faster with vigor talent + set bonuses
plus... make sure you apply your deadly poison..

[proper dust]

the energy regen just feels so slow.

just not very pleasurable to play

[viscid helm]

Alacrity

[sudden ocean]

it's toxic blade before kingsbane in the opener right?

or is it tb on the last 8 seconds of kb

[nimble tartan]

In the opener u tb before kb even if you do decide to do that playstyle with holding tb

[sudden ocean]

cool, is there any definitive stats that say holding tb is better than using it off cd

[nimble tartan]

Definitively through sims its higher to use Tb on cd

But I know people who opt to hold it always after opener for last 9 of kb

[stark heart]

@viscid helm potentially. don't think it is a problem tho

[sudden ocean]

mmm makes sense

last question, ideally its 100% up but what's the most time I should ever not have surge of toxins applied to the target

[stark heart]

don't think you can have 100% surge

I personally focus on tier uptime more than surge

SoT is important for KB, especially last seconds of it

so make sure you have it up for last 4 seconds

but apart from that it's really not that important to keep it up

[sudden ocean]

I shoot for maximum uptime possible, but I feel bad spending 3 cp on an envenom to reapply it

is this the wrong thing to be doing?

[stark heart]

you shouldn't use 3 cp envenom

[brisk forge]

nope dont 3¨

[sudden ocean]

ever?

[brisk forge]

use 4+ '

[sudden ocean]

what about if it refreshes envenom and surge uptime

[stark heart]

it's simply inefficient to use at 3+

[brisk forge]

use 4+

[stark heart]

envenom buff scales with cp

sot debuff scales with cp

don't 3+

[sudden ocean]

alright cool so 4 cp envenom over uptime

it's rarely an issue but I hate moments of indecision

[viscid helm]

@stark heart its not a problem, the point was, this dull spec is getting pruned even more , then it was argued that we get CT back

Which is not a valid argument at all imo

[stark heart]

well. You lose in terms of buttons KB baseline and get 2 new button talents

feels like spec is around the same

but it is dull yep

[viscid helm]

Thats assuming you use either of the talents

[stark heart]

yep

[gaunt moat]

and also, like, dispatch might be nice. but

1. it's not a "real" rotational ability
2. it doesn't add depth, it's just a proc mostly

[viscid helm]

And sadly its not just this spec or class

Just BFA in general

[gaunt moat]

btw, do you think you just use dispatch instead of mut on targets below 30%?

[viscid helm]

I dont even know how it works in the current build

[gaunt moat]

30 energy
Exploits the vulnerability of foes with less than 30% health, dealing (58.032% of Attack power) Physical damage to the target.
Mutilate has a 30% chance to make your next Dispatch free and usable on any target, regardless of their health.
Awards 1 combo point.

[viscid helm]

I thought it was just a proc in execute range

Ohh okay

[gaunt moat]

i mean, it does like 60% AP
while mut i think is like 30% AP?

[viscid helm]

Whats mut cost

On alpha

[gaunt moat]

50

with talent, 45

[viscid helm]

Then mut?

Its double the cp

[gaunt moat]

yeah but this is cheaper, 30 energy

i mean, i dunno.
it's hard to say :X
but from the description i would assume it's better to just stop using mut below 30%

[prisma gull]

45 for 2 cp > 30 for 1 cp though?

[viscid helm]

Then u dont benefit from free procs

Seems bad

Using only dispatch

[gaunt moat]

@prisma gull but also double damage

[viscid helm]

Meh idk

Should have made it baseline proc from mut

[gaunt moat]

i think if it's not gonna worth to stop using mut completly
it's going to confuse a lot of people.

[viscid helm]

Yeh

[prisma gull]

Might just be me being a tard but wouldn't mutilates 30% be on either wep making it 60% overall? Since he attacks with 2 daggers

[viscid helm]

P sure tooltip counts both

Weapons

[gaunt moat]

also that's not how chance works, heh

[viscid helm]

Ohh nvm lmao

Thought it was regarding AP/dmg

Not proc chance

[prisma gull]

Im confused now, weren't we on about which did more dmg and why one would be preferred? :p

[hazy iron]

I for one, am excited to spam dispatch at 30%

[viscid helm]

Said no one ever

[hazy iron]

lol

i tried being bland with sarcasm >.<

[viscid helm]

I mean you can already test how it feels on live

By playing sub and only using bs

[prisma gull]

Sarcasm doesn't translate well over text :)

[viscid helm]

For cp

[prisma gull]

I played sub for the artifact quest, found it incredibly boring

[frozen pecan]

how's outlul on test?

[hazy iron]

im not a fan of sub since the ShD DFA became a thing

[stark heart]

@gaunt moat dunno about dispatch, I noted that as well that per energy gain might be simply better for mutilate + procs

[midnight latch]

well depends how u disguise ur sarcasm in text

u can make it work if u want

[hazy iron]

im just terrible at text sarcasm, i usually use /s

[viscid helm]

No one asked u Naya

[midnight latch]

Rogue will be the greatest most engaging spec in bfa

[hazy iron]

whats PB like on alpha?

is the proc increase actually relevant?

[midnight latch]

@viscid helm no one trusts u flowi

[stark heart]

Also have to keep in mind that dispatch does only 1 poison proc per gcd

Which might turn out to be not optimal during tb for example

Hard to tell

[prisma gull]

Yeah, /s is a safe way to go.
I'm just sad about the stupid gcd change in bfa :(

[stark heart]

That change doesn't do anything to rogue

[viscid helm]

GCD change is irrelevant

[prisma gull]

I don't exclusively play rogue though :)

[viscid helm]

Its still irrelevant

Unless you are a warrior who picks every CD talent

[gaunt moat]

@stark heart but with dispatch you also don't have master poisoner... if it's relevant for poison damage..
in any case, both options don't have depth.
if it's only on free proc... it's basically like a strong pistol shot.
if it replaces mut... then it just replaces mut. doesn't change anything.

except using a different keybind

[viscid helm]

I cant imagine the intent is to just replace muti

Making it a dead ability for 30% and below, as well as the proc mechanics

Idk the whole talent seems off

[stark heart]

I cant imagine the intent is to just replace muti
that how it worked in wod

you just didn't use mut in execute

[viscid helm]

Yes and it got removed

[stark heart]

well I don't see different intent here tbh

@prisma gull it's 30% chance

it's not per weapon but per use

[shrewd night]

See, this is my masterplan

Remain rogue main while it sucks

So when it gets buffed Im MILES ahead of yall

EHEHEHEHEHE

cough

[viscid helm]

But but

It sucks rn

And it sucks in BFA

[stark heart]

So when it gets buffed Im MILES ahead of yall
see you in 9.0 prepatch

[viscid helm]

Nice plan

Maybe its just time to retire

[midnight latch]

u are already in a home for retired ppl

[shrewd night]

Its either that orrrrrrr

a) Go back to lock (Id rather kms)

b) play tank (which we have 49857987645 already)

[hazy iron]

I feel like dispatch was probably brought back simply to increase execute damage considering nothing is really replacing the bracers, is there?

[marble hemlock]

looks that way, yes. basically an option to spec into if you have an encounter where execute damage has a higher priority than the first 70% of the encounter

[stark heart]

it's still an active ability to your action bars

[shrewd night]

Ill probably go dispatch regardless, because having ONE proc is more fun than the snorefest that is assasination today

[drifting cosmos]

wait i thought dispatch is an active debuff on target?

hows that a proc

[shrewd night]

What

Are you high?

For the first 70% of the target, its a proc. Then it becomes an execute sub 30%

[solid nova]

@drifting cosmos

BFA Dispatch

[drifting cosmos]

yea got it

never played around with it, missed 2nd part of the tooltip

[midnight latch]

we should rename this channel to 420 Blaze it or BFA Weedplantation or Blunt for Azeroth based on the amount of times you get asked if you are high here.

[drifting cosmos]

🤷 its hard to be not high when you havent played alpha/past expansions and asked questions about dispatch

[shrewd night]

Active debuff btw

No bully, just snickerworthy

[steep obsidian]

dispatch is just how sin worked in wod

[zealous dew]

dat .032% though

[short pivot]

Yo guys

Do any you macro the opener?

Or just rotate it normally?

[zealous dew]

nop

[sand whale]

what is there to macro 🤔

[short pivot]

Im using the guide opener, but sometimes its sucky, even compared to lower ilvl rogues

[sand whale]

you mean cast sequence? lol

[short pivot]

Cant put my hand on it

Idk maybe a macro to just explode then simultaneously or smthn

[zealous dew]

just practice on a dummy

[sand whale]

I'm gonna take a stab and say you don't have the shoulders

[zealous dew]

for hours

[short pivot]

Im 970 equipped shoulder+bracers

Im topping the list eventually on dps

[sand whale]

okay then your opener should remain pretty consistent

like

nothign should ever change

[short pivot]

But the opener i feel is a bit off

[midnight latch]

share a log if possible and we can take a peak

[short pivot]

Maybe i should vendetta before it?

[viscid helm]

I just play Sin with 2 sequencemacros

[sand whale]

what feels off to you, need explanation

[viscid helm]

Literally 2 button rota

[short pivot]

Its damage

The lower ilvl rogue in raid gets a higher one always

[shrewd night]

970
macros opener

[short pivot]

4-5 mil

[shrewd night]

[sand whale]

proc pb pew pew, no pb no pew pew

[zealous dew]

[short pivot]

Pb is a different story

[shrewd night]

[short pivot]

Maybe vendetta pre opener?

[shrewd night]

Uh

Vendetta PRE opener?

How are you suggesting that works?

[sand whale]

well I guess I just don't see how it can feel off to you when you are guaranteed crits and cp generation in your opener

outside of the mantle window I can understand but I don't consider that opener anymore

[solid nova]

@short pivot How are you opening?

Can you link a log

[short pivot]

Yeah one sec will log on pc

[zealous dew]

i smell trolling

[strange python]

bloodlust pre opener as well ?

[zealous dew]

lust on kb

[short pivot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t893Rv1GdV6zZ4mM/

[zealous dew]

that vanish mut

oh BOY

OH BOY

OH BOY

[short pivot]

the standard, garrote+mut+ rup>vendetta TB+KB > vanish+envenom

[midnight latch]

on vari u vanish mutilate

instead of vanish envenom

[solid nova]

What happened on portal keeper....

[night vale]

can someone help me? trying to improve and want to know why this guy (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZWwrPXGnFkKBtvd7#fight=12&type=damage-done&source=8) Nibren

is doing so much more deadly poison damage than me (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZWtkr4KjXPy1D6M9/#fight=30&type=damage-done&source=146) Im Snimo the rogue btw

We both have same ilvl

[shrewd night]

PK 12 seconds into ifght

[sand whale]

okay now I can see why you feel your opener is off

because it is way off

[short pivot]

idk @solid nova fucked up the opener

[midnight latch]

@light jacinth explain pls

[short pivot]

yeah!

[solid nova]

Vari opener is better

Its a little slow

But in the correct order at least

[light jacinth]

explain what

[viscid helm]

I thought u were banned Nibren

[light jacinth]

i was

[midnight latch]

why u do more deadly poison damage 😄

[light jacinth]

cant keep me down

[midnight latch]

❤

[light jacinth]

more dp than who tho

oh

[zealous dew]

😄

[light jacinth]

ye who knows dude

[shrewd night]

@night vale Could be because he was scumbagging on adds

[midnight latch]

😏

[shrewd night]

[light jacinth]

"scumbagging"

[midnight latch]

more like sandbagging

[viscid helm]

What fight

[midnight latch]

[viscid helm]

Is it

Cba opening

[spare cloud]

Cant you tell

[night vale]

agrramar

[spare cloud]

by trhe conversation

[solid nova]

Agg Mythic

[viscid helm]

I told weak

I'll do 3M next reset

[night vale]

Im about to just give up at this point.... 200 wipes... and i top out at like 2.1m DPS on that fight, i have no idea what i can do different

[midnight latch]

when ur internet works thou @viscid helm

😏

[light jacinth]

3mil as sin is kinda easy but

just needs the setup

and no1 else on adds

[viscid helm]

Well

I raid with weak

Who spam blizzards them

Like an idiot

[light jacinth]

[spare cloud]

wait he doesn't play arcane for aggramar?

🤔

[midnight latch]

omlette du FroMage

[light jacinth]

😏

3 month old sub log still standing tall

[midnight latch]

WTF TWO NIBRENS

[light jacinth]

[shrewd night]

Which of them is the fake one

[light jacinth]

both

[spare cloud]

Nice PK bug abuse on the first one

oh wait...

[viscid helm]

Yeh think i managed 2.7

[midnight latch]

the sin one is fake

[light jacinth]

pk abuse

i never did that anyway

[midnight latch]

Nibren is always sub for me

[light jacinth]

aggramars the only fun fight tbh

[spare cloud]

You had better killtimes 3 months ago than we do now

[viscid helm]

Exactly

[light jacinth]

tfw 10 ilev and 3 months old still > last week

[spare cloud]

did you play with old 2pc?

as sub

or not worth on aggra

[light jacinth]

i dont play sub

[midnight latch]

[spare cloud]

fine then

[midnight latch]

[light jacinth]

[short pivot]

so @sand whale tips on opener being not way off

[sand whale]

just stick to guide one 10/10 don't do anything else

-> https://i.imgur.com/hueStSz.png

[solid nova]

Open correctly

[sand whale]

don't pk

don't fok

don't mut after vanish

[spare cloud]

wait what does guide opener do

playing subterfuge like that

🤔

[solid nova]

And whatever happened on Portal Keeper, please don't do that again 😄

[spare cloud]

refreshing the subterfuge buffed garotte after 7 seconds

[short pivot]

mmm aight thanks

[strange python]

guys i had to do some work, what was the outcome of vendetta pre pull? 😂

[spare cloud]

Yes.

[shrewd night]

Until someone tries to argue with me that its not the most dedicated way to fuck up your opener

[sand whale]

cast 20secs before pull have a 20 sec count down

[shrewd night]

It remains the most dedicated way to fuck up your opener

[spare cloud]

APL does it 🤷

[shrewd night]

No, it uses vendetta IN the opener

Not BEFORE

[spare cloud]

Well it uses vendetta as first ability

with garotte

[shrewd night]

Yes, which IS the opener

[spare cloud]

wait

why would you use it earlier

[viscid helm]

How does one use vendetta prepull

[spare cloud]

thefuck

[shrewd night]

Thats what Im getting at bois

There is no such thing as vendetta PRE opener

[spare cloud]

I always assumed that was what the discussion is about

I just say prepull because its basically the first ability I use

before I do anything else

if I would use vendettta that way

[strange python]

when u see pull timer, best hit vendetta , pre-pot and hit vaish to be safe

[spare cloud]

🤷

[main storm]

Do we still fok at 2 targets ? Or 3+ ? I see everything

[viscid helm]

Both

[midnight latch]

yes

[spare cloud]

Depends on what legendaries you use

[shrewd night]

I think I simmed what was the case for insignia, but I forgot to check it before closing the tabs

[midnight latch]

[spare cloud]

I guess for insig it depends on how much crit ya got

Thats without doing any research so i could be totally wrong

[shrewd night]

Id still assume Fok does more

But thats just it, an assumption

[sturdy loom]

is there a post somewhere that goes in depth about vanish usage with mantle outside of the opener? i only just got mantle and wanna sort it out. Using it on cooldown with a couple of envenoms cant be right can it?

[viscid helm]

Why not

[sturdy loom]

well surely saving it for the last 5 seconds of the next kingsbane would be superior

[viscid helm]

No

[sturdy loom]

vague ;p

[light jacinth]

i open with kingsbane

cause it snapshots nightstalker

[sturdy loom]

Kappa

[marble hemlock]

isnt it better to open with vendetta

to NS the from the shadows?

[viscid helm]

:omegalul-1:

Nice nitro

[marble hemlock]

scam?

[midnight latch]

@light jacinth I open with trinket proc for NS snapshot AMA

[shrewd night]

Finnish Nitro

Best Nitro

[midnight latch]

@viscid helm

[wise frigate]

I open with Kidney Shot personally. With the bleed talent for maximum NS value.

[marble hemlock]

usually better to open with rupture in that case

since it can proc bomb and you get NS bomb

[shrewd night]

[light jacinth]

[wise frigate]

Kidney can proc it too. Triple value in one spell.

[marble hemlock]

kidney cant 😦