assassination

[shrewd oriole]

I rupture as many as possible because that’s what’s correct

[calm grail]

Tom when you do Mythic Command do yours even live long enough for you to merit rupturing them?

[shrewd oriole]

[strange python]

slow ramp up u mean

Alacrity is niche and needs specific gear requirements

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve never ruptured add on command

Ever

[strange python]

garrote rupture are fine for fok spam

[young hamlet]

^

Thats hwat I do

[shrewd oriole]

Well

That’s a lie

From the second to third pod

[calm grail]

The only time I ever put rupture on one was during the run over if I was capped

[shrewd oriole]

I sometimes rupture one

But only if I have cps

[calm grail]

Yeah

Little mini energy battery for shits.

[shrewd oriole]

I’m not gonna go out of my way to linger and fok rupture the adds

[young hamlet]

so you just envenom?

[strange python]

99% 😄

[calm grail]

Well you still rupture the boss.

Sinyk

[young hamlet]

I'm just talking strictly trash right now

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[young hamlet]

id like to learn how aoe works for assa

[shrewd oriole]

The rupture thing is more for dungeons than anything rlse

But you should absolutely mass rupture everything as long as things live long enough to last out your rupture

[strange python]

I meant you kinda have to judge how long do you think mobs will live

[shrewd oriole]

When stuff starts getting low dump low cp ruptures

[young hamlet]

yeah that's what I'm starting to understand

[strange python]

for trash or m+ on decent pulls .. 1 target with bleeds is the min req.

[shrewd oriole]

Thats

Just

Wrong

Rupture does more damage than envenom

[strange python]

with 21 4p u can easily fokalot

[shrewd oriole]

Why would you envenom over rupture

And if you’re not envenoming, why are you not spending your cps

[strange python]

Virtulent poisons?

i do

fok fok env fok fok env fok fok env

[shrewd oriole]

Even with tier in mind it’s better to rupture

[strange python]

to keep the psn buffs up

[shrewd oriole]

That’s lower dps AND lower energy than mass rupturing

[strange python]

for more FOKS

SPAM

[shrewd oriole]

So unfortunately what you’re saying is wrong

Feel free to sim it

Take the rupture line off the apl, it’s pretty simple

[young hamlet]

What about Poison spec and bleed spec. Any one better than the other?

[shrewd oriole]

You’ll lose a decent chunk of dps

@young hamlet poison is easier to gear and to play

It is also much better on aoe

[strange python]

Poison performs marginally better, bleed is viable but harder to play and gear for

sry mate ive in general low xp

23/24 only

[young hamlet]

im 965 4pc heroic

is that good enough?

for bleed

[shrewd oriole]

I’m not sure if you’re using that as some sort of validation

You can do high keys and play incorrectly

[young hamlet]

cuz it seems intresting tom e

[shrewd oriole]

No

It’s not

You need high crit

[young hamlet]

poison it is then

[shrewd oriole]

T20 2p

[strange python]

Its more about how much crit you have, do you use t20 2 piece, do you have 7/7 mass relics

[shrewd oriole]

3 mass relics

Boots

[strange python]

😭

that pic dude ? 😮

[young hamlet]

i dont have any of that, I used to be outlaw lol

[shrewd oriole]

Exactly

Stay poison

[strange python]

u know her ?

Into You is pop perfection

nice reasons

but sounds awkkk

xD

people can have whatever avatar they want

for sure

[keen inlet]

Nah

[drifting cloud]

how can she be your neighbor if shes my neighbor 😠

[strange python]

no fokwheels ?

Unless it breaks the rules ofc

[keen inlet]

if it's pornographic we ask them to change it

or swastika etc...

So they can't have any avatar...

[shrewd oriole]

How much tit is too much tit Jose

[drifting cloud]

🤔 im fine with that

[keen inlet]

Tom I'm gonna quote Seinfeld on you

Elaine: "When does sex start?"
Jerry: "I'd say when the nipple makes its first appearance..."

[strange python]

ask mizuxe

wtb crit/m boots 965+

[shrewd oriole]

That is actually

A perfectly reasonable explanation

Wow

[keen inlet]

it's not ironclad

and/or culturally universal

[strange python]

any1 playing d3 sometimes ?

[shrewd oriole]

@marble hemlock

[strange python]

I used to play d3 a lot

[keen inlet]

No, also #off-topic

[shrewd oriole]

You there? Reply when you see this ping

[strange python]

Like we havent ever discussed other games in here

[keen inlet]

I only chimed in because it was a moderation comment.

We were doing well keeping spec channels on spec for a while

then it slipped

off-topic's there for everything else.

and Less Moderated ™

[drifting cloud]

isnt this the actual off topic channel

lets be real

[keen inlet]

Nope.

[young hamlet]

Why does Master Assassin suck so bad in the second relic slot?

[keen inlet]

➡ 🚪

@young hamlet because on avg you gain nothing from it

[strange python]

With the legendary shoulders

[young hamlet]

but why the second slot in particular

and not the third

[keen inlet]

(yes, shoulders assumed)

[young hamlet]

or first

[strange python]

Just timings

cause the cd timings

Way it works out. Doesnt help you

Not trying to push your buttons today Don, sorry

[keen inlet]

'salright just something mods were chatting about earlier

it's months off but as we ramp up to BFA beta, more alpha invites, etc...and then launch, these channels will be absolute madhouses

[strange python]

yeah

[keen inlet]

will be helpful to have the regulars/OT stuff in OT

[shrewd oriole]

It just make our lives and the moderators lives easier

If we use OT for OT

And specs for specs

AMR spies can’t find us in OT

[strange python]

can we expect with beta some sim numbers/models ? 😮

[scarlet hawk]

When and where do you guys playing bleedspec (in mythic) use wrists vs insignia?

[shrewd oriole]

@lone junco

I don’t think he ever switches

[strange python]

99% of ppls doenst play bleed

[shrewd oriole]

And a quick look at slagg’s logs

[strange python]

I don't recall insignia being a bleed thing

[shrewd oriole]

Tells me he doesn’t either

[strange python]

u neeed some good rngs in item generation

t20 2p

[shrewd oriole]

So the answer @scarlet hawk would be never

[strange python]

and isnt that good as psn

[scarlet hawk]

Noobe only playes HC though

[strange python]

for m+

[shrewd oriole]

And?

[scarlet hawk]

Fights are different

lul

[shrewd oriole]

Slagg is the highest M player I know playing bleed

He doesn’t use it

[strange python]

jackslagg

[scarlet hawk]

Okay, he only uses wrists?

[shrewd oriole]

Also the differences in fights only make bracers stronger

[strange python]

bOOTS

[scarlet hawk]

Hmm, have to have a chat with him I guess

[strange python]

wrists

mandatory

dude

3 ma relics

[shrewd oriole]

Because fights are longer

And execute phases on M are extremely long

[scarlet hawk]

@strange python thanks but dw 😃 I'm simming 2.23 in bleed spec and I've got it down. Just looking to maximize as I just switched 😃

[shrewd oriole]

On fights like argus

[scarlet hawk]

Ye that's what I'm thinking

[strange python]

well .. let me do a firstlook bleed spec

[shrewd oriole]

You got like, 4 minutes of execute on argus

[strange python]

what ive on my bags 😄

but at least no tripple ma

[shrewd oriole]

It’s been going down in my guild as we farm it more and more but generally 3 to 4 mins of execute

[scarlet hawk]

It's funny actually, I sacrificed 12 levels on my weapon and 2 master alch traits, yet I've only dropped like 10k sim dps in poison spec

Poison Bomb will obviously not be as strong, but ye.

[shrewd oriole]

Weapon ilvl as assa

[strange python]

for me it would be 50k

[shrewd oriole]

Is meaningless

[scarlet hawk]

Ye I know

[shrewd oriole]

Pretty much

[scarlet hawk]

it's w/e

[shrewd oriole]

I lose like 100k going bleed

But my poison gear is insane

[scarlet hawk]

it's crazy, I'm 966 equipped in bleed spec and I sim within 5k of my poison spec before I switched relics. I was 973 equipped.

[shrewd oriole]

I sim 2.36 as poison and 2.24 as bleed

[scarlet hawk]

Having a good t20 2piece would be crazy

What do you sim?

[shrewd oriole]

What’s your t20 2p?

[scarlet hawk]

shieeet boi

What's your mastery?

Mine is 920 back and 935 hands.

[shrewd oriole]

I know slagg sims about what I do, he’s 970 as bleed or something

Oh Christ

That’s trash

Lmao

Even I have better 2p

950 hands 915 shoulders

[scarlet hawk]

I didn't play in ToS, so those were just some lucky drops 2 weeks before antorus opened. And then i got the hands in a 6/9 clear a few months ago.

[shrewd oriole]

Playing haste versa tier shoulders

[scarlet hawk]

ye

I have pretty decent gear otherwise.

[shrewd oriole]

Idd

966 isn’t too shabby

As bleed

[scarlet hawk]

950 hands, holy shit.

[shrewd oriole]

Have you Simmed

No 2p?

[scarlet hawk]

I mean, 935 is even warforged mythic

[strange python]

ive 945 chest 😦

[scarlet hawk]

so not terrible.

[shrewd oriole]

Just 4p and two off pieces

[scarlet hawk]

but the back is pretty bad.

[shrewd oriole]

Cuz that sims about as high for me given the ilvl of my 2p

[scarlet hawk]

I don't have shoulders from ToS 😦

[shrewd oriole]

Sim 4p and 2 off pieces

[scarlet hawk]

And my t21 shoulders are also trash. 950 😦

[shrewd oriole]

No tos gear

[scarlet hawk]

I did, but it's way off.

[shrewd oriole]

Really

[scarlet hawk]

like 50k ish

[shrewd oriole]

How good are your off pieces

[scarlet hawk]

Not good enough, obviously

[shrewd oriole]

Those have mastery

[scarlet hawk]

and playing with t20 2p is garbage.

[shrewd oriole]

I mean playing bleed wth your gear is p garbage too

[scarlet hawk]

lul

It's actually been doing pretty well

[shrewd oriole]

Hit me up when you get a 2.6 vari

[young hamlet]

is it haste > versa or versa > haste for assa

[shrewd oriole]

[scarlet hawk]

But again, my poison gear didn't result in much higher sims.

vers > haste

[shrewd oriole]

@young hamlet always sim yourself but as a rule of thumb it’s mastery > crit > versa > haste = agi for shoulders poison

Crit > mastery > versa > haste = agi for shoulderless poison

Generally

[young hamlet]

I do but I dont like my sims lol it has me at 1.6 whereas my outlaw is almost 2.1

[shrewd oriole]

It changes depending on your gear

[young hamlet]

feelsbadman

[shrewd oriole]

😠 how am I bragging

[sand whale]

if you have outlulz gear then rip to you trying to play sin without the stats

[shrewd oriole]

Ah

Well

Please do

[young hamlet]

I have sin backups

[silk sundial]

Hey, what is everyone's opinion on Dreadlord deceit? I tried simming it but shoulder and boots came out way ahead.

[young hamlet]

I never threw the gear out

im at 170% mastery

[shrewd oriole]

It’s bad on aoe and it’s bad on st @silk sundial

[young hamlet]

20% versa and 25% crit

[shrewd oriole]

20 versa

As sub

Sin*

[silk sundial]

Got it. I tried it and wasn't super impressed. Didn't know if u was doing something wrong lol

[shrewd oriole]

You’re better off playing sub than assa with those stats

[young hamlet]

do I need more or less versa?

[nimble tartan]

Who here play mfd sub on vari 😊

[shrewd oriole]

@gusty kestrel I can’t log kg cmonbruh my guild is too good for that

[strange python]

less

[nimble tartan]

It's so fun

[lean hill]

Mfd sin? Barf

[shrewd oriole]

@nimble tartan I did that for a while, felt bad being a bitch boy

[nimble tartan]

I feel like a bitch boy when I play sin

[shrewd oriole]

Do you have 10s wait time

[young hamlet]

I have other gear, should i trade theversa for haste?

[shrewd oriole]

Between killing robots and hitting the boss

@young hamlet no

[young hamlet]

cuz my haste is aat 8%

[shrewd oriole]

They all die at the same time

In my guild

Legit minimum wait time is 6 seconds in recent kills

[lone junco]

I play exang in upper k only.

And then shoulder bracer for the few trash pulls.

[nimble tartan]

How about we all play some outlaw

[lone junco]

I've started playing sub in m+ again.

I thought about it.

The mark spam is really fun.

[shrewd oriole]

@nimble tartan ♿

[nimble tartan]

What do u mean my dh already cleared m Argus 3 months ago

[lone junco]

Dh is a good investment for me.

[shrewd oriole]

Dh is p dope rn

[lone junco]

But I'll run some outlaw for lols. Pretty sure I can get 10m aoe 20s.

The beam dream

[nimble tartan]

The gameplay feels good for dh tbh

[lone junco]

Demonic is so much better.

Esp in m+

[nimble tartan]

Eh I don't mind it

[lone junco]

DB is my 1. Don't mind.

The momentum 4sec is annoying.

[young hamlet]

I found a piece of gear in my bank that raised my mastery to 188 and lowered my versa to 14%

so i traded versa for mastery

[lone junco]

But don't mind for beam. Dash beam nova.

[nimble tartan]

I just like having all my power in my hands as opposed to pb

[lone junco]

Same.

[shrewd oriole]

The mobility feels great

The tank spec is convenient for m+

Can use the same mogs as I do on rogue

[nimble tartan]

Yeah it's just a well designed class rn

[shrewd oriole]

Def like DH

Idd

[nimble tartan]

2 spec sweet spot

[shrewd oriole]

Can actually use sword mogs

Instead of being restricted to tiny weapons

[nimble tartan]

I'll be leveling both for beefa tho. I like playing otl and sub a lot so hoping those are good

[drifting cloud]

power in your hands when you have to crit to not run out of resources monkaS

[shrewd oriole]

I think I’ll be leveling rogue hunter dh in bfa

[nimble tartan]

I mean u have ur artifact and eye beam on demand aoe

[shrewd oriole]

Hunter feels great on alpha and is a good choice

[nimble tartan]

I have like 58% crit on my dh rn it feels good

[shrewd oriole]

Dh is fun but idk if it’ll be good

[drifting cloud]

is surv still melee spec

I legit dont know

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

Survival doesn’t exist

Mm feels amazing on alpha tho

And BM already feels great on live so

[young hamlet]

should I enchant and gem for agility or mastery?

[shrewd oriole]

Sim it

[nimble tartan]

Watch surv be sleeper op and nobody is on it cause the ranged don't play melee

[sand whale]

because aimshot hits so hard lel

aimed shot

[calm grail]

If you're poison and agi = mastery for gems

That's fucking weird.

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

But crit could be ahead

Tbh it was mostly cuz of steady shot

Mm rn is só punished by movement

[drifting cloud]

Q: Will there be respeccing on Azerite armor?
A: Yeah! The frequency of how often Azerite armor can be respecced hasn't be determined yet.

🤔

[shrewd oriole]

The frequency will be never

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan if anything. Dh will be nice with azerite. Don't need 3 dps specs.

[sand whale]

gotta farm dem azerite gear for all specs now everyone will feel the druid pain of having so much gear in their bags

[nimble tartan]

Yeah I'm pretty happy with dh design in bfa

[shrewd oriole]

Same

[sand whale]

btw I don't know I hope they add tome to azerite respec otherwise it's going to suck

[safe matrix]

What happened to #general ?

[young hamlet]

How much mastery is considered good?

over 200?

%

[shrewd oriole]

Check mathyler’s armory

If you have that much, you’re good

[young hamlet]

I'm hovering at 10

190

[shrewd oriole]

Just kidding

There’s no amount that’s arbitrarily good or bad

[young hamlet]

I see

[shrewd oriole]

It doesn’t lose value

So you can just keep stacking

[young hamlet]

gotcha

so pretty much i want every piece of gear other than my tier pieces to be mastery and crit

[supple hearth]

@safe matrix it was renamed to off topic temporarily to see how it feels

[spare cloud]

[astral sundial]

went to my first mythic raid today (squeezed into an alt run...) and somehow got a really nice log (by comparison to my performance...) but was told I am "padding". Am I not supposed to aoe the adds etc?

[zealous dew]

prob another jealous rogue

😄

[spare cloud]

Depends on what boss you are talking about

[zealous dew]

AHC

for sure

[spare cloud]

its a dmg loss to dot adds, they die too fast

so how are you supposed to pad

ahc

🤔

[zealous dew]

rupture on shock

only explanation

[spare cloud]

as I said

[zealous dew]

maybe his raid has 0 lolkins

and 0 spriests

[spare cloud]

then its still not padding

because they should die

the statement from the dude makes no sense

[gilded lark]

@supple hearth rename it underbelly

[spare cloud]

if its ahc

deleted too slow

[gilded lark]

Mobile problems

[spare cloud]

Banned

[gilded lark]

Havent gotten out of bed yet

3pm

[astral sundial]

hmm sorry @spare cloud , forgot to mention it's AHC

[spare cloud]

there is no boss that matters in logs in antorus where you can padd without the whole raid agreeing with it

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

It’s really not padding

Specially cuz you can’t really control assa aoe

[gilded lark]

Like toph said, if you lack many aoe classes it isn't really padding

Esp the meme classes like boomy and affli

[spare cloud]

and if you have too much aoe then rupturing them is a loss

[gilded lark]

^

[spare cloud]

so that statement doesnt make sense in any case

[gilded lark]

Im agreeing with toph

[spare cloud]

you agree with me all the time

whats the big deal

[astral sundial]

ye rupture was my second highest dmg

[spare cloud]

How shit is your raid aoe

🤔

[shrewd oriole]

Then they’re living a long time

[gilded lark]

If the adds live long enough for that to even happen

Its not padding

[shrewd oriole]

Who told you you were padding

[gilded lark]

And its worth for you to dot then

[shrewd oriole]

Was it an officer or some random player

[gilded lark]

Them*

[spare cloud]

also for rogue its a st gain to dot multiple mobs

[gilded lark]

Probably one of the aoe classes tom lol

[spare cloud]

more energy regen

[astral sundial]

random player, but I am new there so wanted to figure it out

[gilded lark]

"Stop dotting my adds so i can pad instead"

[spare cloud]

yah, that dude has no idea what he's talking about

[drifting cloud]

stop doing so much dmg you padder

[gilded lark]

#RanDidNothingWrong

[shrewd oriole]

What class

Was he

Was he a boomie

Stop dotting my adds 😠

[drifting cloud]

r1 assa on ahc is 4.5 mil 8min log

thats padding

😄

[gilded lark]

All r1s pmuch are until later bosses

[drifting cloud]

500k ahead of rank 3 👍

[gilded lark]

Lul

Look at r1 mythic eonar for all classes

That is fucking pad

[spare cloud]

doesnt even give allstar points

[shrewd oriole]

Rank ones are padding, luck and people playing around you

[gilded lark]

Yeah but still

[shrewd oriole]

Good luck getting r1 as a warrior

[gilded lark]

Its over 8m dps iirc

[shrewd oriole]

On any boss

[gilded lark]

Some affli

[spare cloud]

Most people dont care about rank 1 logs

[shrewd oriole]

Idk

Nothing to aim for at this point

[spare cloud]

you should be able to get 99's on every boss you are not required to special stuff on though

[shrewd oriole]

I have 99 on everything but one or two and I p log

So I have nothing to aim for but ranks

[gilded lark]

R1 logs matter before cheese strats begin but thats about it

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[golden tulip]

helm-bracers bad?

Got no mantle

[shrewd oriole]

I prefer logs during progress

[gilded lark]

But ye if you're 99 on all fights

[golden tulip]

Got bracers-boots-helm

[drifting cloud]

you got 99 on argus?

[gilded lark]

You good

[shrewd oriole]

@golden tulip bracers boots

[spare cloud]

Nah because during progress most guilds are not logging

[shrewd oriole]

Is prolly better

Sim it

[spare cloud]

so its not really comparable anyways

[shrewd oriole]

That’s also true

Fuck

Do logs ever matter than

[gilded lark]

Bracer/boots/helm/insig all decent substitutes for mantle

[spare cloud]

they show consistency

[shrewd oriole]

@drifting cloud yeah lol super easy

[spare cloud]

and how you are able to learn

[shrewd oriole]

The bosses I don’t have 99 on are kg and imonar

[spare cloud]

Also, well if you fail

[astral sundial]

you mean they dont share logs? cuz logs definitely help on progress

[shrewd oriole]

They dot public log is what he means

[gilded lark]

Ran what class called you out for padding lol

[spare cloud]

tom have you got a 99 on portal keeper while running?

[gilded lark]

Well, spec

[shrewd oriole]

It is extremely hard to get a 99 on imonar and kg with the way we do it

So

[spare cloud]

No top guild shares logs in progress

[shrewd oriole]

I have a 99 on pk without rubbing

[spare cloud]

because they dont want tactics to be available

[shrewd oriole]

Running*

Highest I have running is a 96

[drifting cloud]

I got 99 on pk yesterday going up once

[shrewd oriole]

Well In fact I have a 100 on pk

As sub

[gilded lark]

96 while doiny mechs

Doing

Impossibru

[spare cloud]

I have to do special stuff on every boss where its possible

<.<

[shrewd oriole]

@drifting cloud orbs or going up to one portal

[drifting cloud]

portal lul if i went for an orb I can legit just afk

[shrewd oriole]

Cuz that’s p paddy considering assa is probably one of the best st the mobs upstairs

[drifting cloud]

takes forever to break shield on 1st add

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[drifting cloud]

we legit had 2 940 alts in the raid

[spare cloud]

got a decent rank on fel hounds last week though

even though we dont tank them together

[drifting cloud]

they can do the bitch job for 1 week

[shrewd oriole]

I have a low 99 on felgounds

Can’t get higher without stacking I don’t think

Rank 60 or something

[spare cloud]

I have rank 50 or smth

without stacking

[astral sundial]

@gilded lark some dk tank/dps - but it was an alt so idk what he's playing main ^^

[spare cloud]

it was 50 when I got it

[drifting cloud]

I got a 97 with no vanish on pull because it was on cd and 2nd vanish I fat fingered and did vanish into tb

♿

[shrewd oriole]

Assa logs

[drifting cloud]

pure skill boys

[shrewd oriole]

I might go outlaw soon

[civic palm]

👋

[shrewd oriole]

We have two amanthuls in the raid

[drifting cloud]

damn thats gotta be insane for outlul

[shrewd oriole]

And it only sims 50k lower than assa

At 2.3M

My problem is that outlaw is much worse if you’re losing uptime

[drifting cloud]

just need to 3 tank 5 heal everyfight for pantheon uptime

[shrewd oriole]

True lul

Idk

I like snd outlaw

It’s so simple to play

And it’s fast

[gilded lark]

@astral sundial lol if its a dk dps he's probably running frostscythe and wanted to pad his logs

If he's unholy his opinion doesnt matter

[young hamlet]

I don't think I'm going to stay assa

I just cant pull the numbers I do with outlaw

[civic palm]

ok

[strange python]

do what you want

[young hamlet]

maybe that will change in bfa, im playing assa in alpha and it seems good

[strange python]

cant master a spec in a day

so to speak. idk how long you've been playing sin.

if you have logs we can help

[young hamlet]

And that's the thing I dunno if I should spend the time to master it right now and gear it up when things will change in BfA

[spare cloud]

Still 4 months till bfa

[strange python]

could say the same for any spec

[young hamlet]

especially when I do well with outlaw

and im geared for it

[spare cloud]

Why play the game until the new expansion comes out

[strange python]

like I said do what you want, but posting something like that is kind of a cry for help you know

[young hamlet]

No I understand and it is super helpful and awesome that you guys are here to help, if I change my mind though I know where to come

[spare cloud]

as it stands now assa is flat out better than outlaw though 🤷

[young hamlet]

Oh I know that

I think I'm so used to outlaw that anything else feels weird to me, maybe if I keep messing with it I'll get more familiar. Also I'll start keeping more assa based gear instead of selling them or giving them away and try again then

[lean hill]

You'll probably feel better about sin if you have a basic set of gear to swap to, so you aren't playing with crappy stats

[young hamlet]

yeah that's what I'm thinking too

my gear is mostly haste and versa

except the tier pieces

[spare cloud]

to get good at a specc you need to play it

that is indeed correct.

[young hamlet]

I'l try again once I get my crit and mastery up

I'm playing sin on the alpha

and I'm really enjoying it

Theres no toxic blade, or kingsbane, or surge of toxins to worry about

So it feels easier to play

[gaunt moat]

But... There is toxic blade.

[young hamlet]

I'm not specced in it

I'm using venom rush

[gaunt moat]

You don't have to spec TB on live either

It still exists..

[young hamlet]

can you compete w/out TB on live?

Is it viable?

[gaunt moat]

Somewhat

[young hamlet]

I'll have to check it out then

[crimson knoll]

Alacrity? 🤔

[gaunt moat]

I'm not encouraging using that...
But if using TB is too hard. Might as well.

[young hamlet]

I mean at that point like I said I might as well go back to outlaw which is a spec I know and can compete with

meh I dunno , Ill check back when I have better assa gear

[crimson knoll]

Outlaw is actually competitive now

[young hamlet]

Yea I know, SnD especially with the trhinets

I just have a fascination with daggers

I wish we could go back to vanilla and have combat daggers

lol

[crimson knoll]

I mean, there are swords that look like daggers

And vice versa

[young hamlet]

yea

[crimson knoll]

Off the top of my head, something toothpick

[young hamlet]

i gotta go farming

[crimson knoll]

From dire maul

[young hamlet]

ogre pocket knight

knife*

[crimson knoll]

That’s the one

[vast forum]

master alchemist relic with these traits makes me wanna kms

[crimson knoll]

Isn’t rng fun and engaging?

On the bright side, balanced blades actually isn’t terrible now

[lost horizon]

Torment the weak with BB ez

Shit like lights embrace being possible on DPS only relics is horrible though

[wise frigate]

Same thing with the shield Light trait. That same relic just with Shield instead of Light's Embrace. And no BB. And the Shadow trait was Dark Sorrows. Made me cry.

[vast forum]

i already have a 5 ilvl lower relic with TtW and both Mass and Malch

but this just triggered me

[drifting cloud]

you should see my collection of 960+ iron relics

my best one is bb/vers/rupture 970

[crimson knoll]

The current state of assassination relics makes me miss AP.

[bitter coyote]

is it just me or does it happen alot that if im in like 10 mobs and use FoK that i only get 3 cp?

[wise frigate]

FoK only gives 1 CP, regardless of number of targets hits. However, each target that it crits on gives an extra CP.

[dire spoke]

Fok != ShStorm

[bitter coyote]

AH

fml

always thought it gives 1 cp per enemy

[woeful oar]

is that @foggy beacon from Emerald Dream US?

[foggy beacon]

mmmmmmmm 🤔

[gilded lark]

[worthy pine]

is there a place to post logs for someone to look at and give me some pointers?

[shrewd oriole]

Right here

Mr Tyler the creator

[worthy pine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/26262486

kk

i just feel i could pull out more in execute phase

[shrewd oriole]

Any specific fight you recommend I look at?

[worthy pine]

doesnt really matter i suppose

[shrewd oriole]

Aight imma dive in

[prisma cypress]

if i'm using the legendary shoulders and cloak, on a single target fight, when should i use FoK?

[worthy pine]

cool thank you

[shrewd oriole]

@prisma cypress at 30

[prisma cypress]

should i save it for vanish or anything

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t know the answer to that question honestly since the cloak is a p terrible leggo for st all around

[worthy pine]

you can vanish a rupture if using nightstalker

if not using shoulders

[shrewd oriole]

But it should be at 30 every vendetta or so

[worthy pine]

with shoulder vanish an envenom

[shrewd oriole]

Since it’s every minute

@worthy pine you’re not saving vanish for vendetta

With shoulders you should save vanish and pair it up with vendetta

That’s a big dps loss

Specially as banish vendetta during execute hits like a truck

With bracers

[prisma cypress]

guess i was just wondering if anyone has theorycrafted whether you want to save the 30 stacks for after vanish if it's up in less than x seconds or something lol

guess it's not a combo people use enough

[worthy pine]

AHH ok that makes so much sense

i just assumed vanish on cd, but yeah that makes a lot of sense to save it

[shrewd oriole]

You’re delaying toxic blade so much

In the first 70 seconds, you only got 3 in instead when you could’ve easily gotten in 4

Your average envenom inside tb is also below 2

[bitter coyote]

holy shit that name

[spare cloud]

quick maffs

[shrewd oriole]

You’re doing some really weird refreshes of rupture

[worthy pine]

mk

[spare cloud]

How do you do 4 toxic blades in the first 70 seconds tom

[shrewd oriole]

Casting rupture twice within the same 5 seconds shouldn’t be happening, specially not twice in the same fight

Yeah, overall awful tb usage, wrong vanish usage

[worthy pine]

alright yeah thats weird i have a weak aura for it so i should be refreshing it at a certain time

[spare cloud]

why do you not answer my question

[worthy pine]

should i be letting rupture run down more or?

[austere crater]

how is assassination in m+

[gaunt tree]

just as good i guess

procs of poison bomb and fan of knives poison puts him on good position

spin and dump those points

[shrewd oriole]

9 casts of Tb in 4:26m aka 266 seconds is god awful

That’s about it

[gaunt tree]

• there's insignia and the cape

[spare cloud]

tom please answer my question

[shrewd oriole]

Actually lemme check 1 final thing

[crimson knoll]

@worthy pine Refresh rupture at 7.2 seconds to get the full duration.

[spare cloud]

[crimson knoll]

#outlaw

#outlaw

[spare cloud]

All the people saying weird stuff at night

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

Out of 7 casts of KB, you dropped envenom in 4 of them

Fuck

[worthy pine]

so in KB envenom is > reapplying rupture, also i think my tb is low cuz i thought i was supposed to line it up with kb as often as possible

[shrewd oriole]

Some of my message didn’t send

Oh they did

Ok everything is here

[shrewd oriole]

Sorry

[worthy pine]

also yeah, its a 25 second cd so how can i get 4 in 70 seconds

[shrewd oriole]

I meant 80 seconds

Or 90 or whatever I’m tired and drunk

[worthy pine]

4 would be 100 seconds =p

[spare cloud]

this is amazing

[worthy pine]

also i switch from ret to ass this tier so im still learning a lot of the ins and outs

so i appreciate the help

[shrewd oriole]

Point is you could’ve gotten in one more cast in the fight

Sorry 4 the math

[worthy pine]

ok i get that

so hit tb no matter what

then

[spare cloud]

Its okay tom

you're not the only one failing miserably with the math

[shrewd oriole]

Lmao

[drifting cloud]

4am tom shitting on peoples logs

[shrewd oriole]

The kb uptime is a bigger loss

[drifting cloud]

🤷

[shrewd oriole]

Your kb damage is p bad

[worthy pine]

mk

[shrewd oriole]

Cuz you’re losing so many stacks

[gilded lark]

in toms world tb's cooldown is 15 seconds

[shrewd oriole]

Being in the American continent lowers your iq by 50

[strange python]

so your's becomes negative

[gilded lark]

must be a portu thing

[shrewd oriole]

I’ll be in full shape tomorrow dw

[spare cloud]

Don't think being in brazil is much better

[gilded lark]

[drifting cloud]

you're 🤔

[gilded lark]

brazil lowers by 100

[strange python]

sshhh

[spare cloud]

Also broad

[shrewd oriole]

Youre’s

[strange python]

you're's

[shrewd oriole]

Whomdst

[spare cloud]

only 4 tbs in 70 seconds while having 15 secs cooldown

[shrewd oriole]

Also about the rupture uptime, nah you shouldn’t drop it

[gilded lark]

I didn't fucking divide it to find the exact number math boi

[shrewd oriole]

But that picture I linked

You refresh twice in 6 seconds

[spare cloud]

get your burns right man

they're dropping in quality

you're getting rusty

[shrewd oriole]

That’s just a waste of cps

[gilded lark]

sry we don't all have korean brain for math

oh wait neither do you

[shrewd oriole]

At the end of the day tho the vanish thing is probsbly the biggest dps loss

[spare cloud]

best mathematicians arent korean though

[shrewd oriole]

Mantle is trash if all you’re using it for is getting 100% crit on 3 envenoms

Vendetta really gives it that extra juice

[spare cloud]

tom

whomst'd've?

[worthy pine]

ok thanks so much i appreciate it

[shrewd oriole]

Np dude

Anything else, I’m here 90% of the day because I have far too much free time

[spare cloud]

tom doesn't sleep

[gilded lark]

it's true, he only stops when he pours himself another drink

[worthy pine]

if i have anymore questions i'll let you know, im in raid atm, but I'm going to work on what you pointed out.

[spare cloud]

Feedback is always appreciated

Rate your favorite rh rogue now

Tom is the fan favorite atm

[shrewd oriole]

Easily

[spare cloud]

for giving sick advice

[shrewd oriole]

Fan favorite

Mod hated

[worthy pine]

he seems like a pretty stand up dude 10/10

[shrewd oriole]

Classic rogue, annoying the authorities

[spare cloud]

avoids moderation by being muted

[shrewd oriole]

Screen cap this

Send it to the mods

[gilded lark]

for every helpful screencap you send they can send back 10 toxic ones tho lul

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

I feel like the ratio is 1:1 nowadays

[gilded lark]

[spare cloud]

I don't agree

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve been muted less than 20 times

And I’ve def helped more than 20 people

[spare cloud]

But you havent been muted for every offense

[gilded lark]

^

[shrewd oriole]

What

Yes I have

Mods are extra harsh on me

[gilded lark]

also who the fuck has been muted more than 20 times

nobody

[fringe crane]

Hello everyone, anyone here do any mystic raiding? I am looking for some advice.

[shrewd oriole]

I do mythic raiding

[gilded lark]

you don't know harsh moderation

[spare cloud]

I don't do mystic raiding

but I do mythic raiding

[gilded lark]

mystic raiding

[spare cloud]

if thats what you need

[shrewd oriole]

This discord is harshly moderated

Thing is

Sometimes there’s no one here

[spare cloud]

I don't think so

they just hate portuguese people

[shrewd oriole]

There’s big gaps where there’s simply no moderation

[gilded lark]

who doesnt

[shrewd oriole]

😦

[gilded lark]

[shrewd oriole]

Like right now

Giggle is prolly reading this

[spare cloud]

even portuguese people hate portuguese people

[shrewd oriole]

So if I went like, I love niger

[gilded lark]

yeah gigglebushes is on

[shrewd oriole]

She’d mute me

[spare cloud]

I don't even know how to write the word properly

can you tell me please

[gilded lark]

but niger is a country

[spare cloud]

portuguese is right?

[shrewd oriole]

Portuguese is correct yeah

I love Portuguese people

[spare cloud]

Thanks

[gilded lark]

only one is a portugoose

[spare cloud]

tom helpful as always

[shrewd oriole]

Honesty you’d like Portuguese people too

[spare cloud]

I rate 10/10 also

[shrewd oriole]

They’re super laid back

Am I your uber driver

@fringe crane did you have a question mate?

[spare cloud]

@fringe crane What do you need help with

what the fuck <.<

[shrewd oriole]

Plenty of people here raid mythic on a high level

[spare cloud]

Not really high

[shrewd oriole]

I’m sure we can assist you 😃

[gilded lark]

high

[spare cloud]

but we've cleared mythic

[shrewd oriole]

I’m in nova now bitch

[strange python]

leave a msg at the beep

[gilded lark]

I've cleared heroic what can i help you with

[spare cloud]

You are?

[fringe crane]

Sorry saw you guys off talking and did not see a reply. So I am trying to figure out what I am doing wrong, I am barley breaking 1m dps at a 956 item level and I am not sure what I am doing wrong that could cause me to have such low DPS

[spare cloud]

I thought you were on the second squad

[shrewd oriole]

You’re gonna watch fat boss videos where I’m featured doing fuck ups

[strange python]

do you have logs

[shrewd oriole]

There’s no second squad

[gilded lark]

You're doing

a lot

wrong

[fringe crane]

I have done heroic but my raid boss saying I am not pulling enough dps for mystic which makes sense

Yes I am

[spare cloud]

nova disbanded

[gilded lark]

if you're only doing 1m

[spare cloud]

didn't they?

[fringe crane]

Thats why I am trying to find out what I am doing wrong

[gilded lark]

then

[strange python]

do you have logs

[gilded lark]

link a log

[spare cloud]

Logs would be helpful

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah, and reformed to make any hungry

[spare cloud]

have you killed Varimathras?

[shrewd oriole]

Any hungry is 80% Nova

[fringe crane]

Let me go hit a dummy real fast and I will post a log.

[gilded lark]

preferably varmimathmaticianras

[shrewd oriole]

Just new leadership

[spare cloud]

Also if you feel there is too much spam here

[strange python]

logs don't work on dummies

[spare cloud]

feel free to pm tom

[fringe crane]

whats varmimathmaticanras

they dont?

[shrewd oriole]

Varimathras

[gilded lark]

lmao

the boss

varimathras

[shrewd oriole]

I think logs work on dummies

[fringe crane]

oh not thinking right

[strange python]

no they don't record well outside of raid

[shrewd oriole]

Ah fair

[gilded lark]

does your raid not log

[median current]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wLfwyyF8ygBcjrM28YYSkh

So

[strange python]

hello

[median current]

Should I listen, and use ring/shoulders?

[shrewd oriole]

Can you go do garothi on normal

@median current no

[gilded lark]

logs work on dummies but they're for when combat starts/drops

[median current]

I feel like bracers should be an upgrade

\

and the ring of melandreth

[gilded lark]

so the avg is fucked

[fringe crane]

They do but I have not the past few raids

[shrewd oriole]

Wait

Yes

You should @median current the difference is massive

Your ring are p fucking bad

[median current]

yeah they are

[shrewd oriole]

That’s why ring sims so well for you

[median current]

940 signet of melandrus, I would think

[shrewd oriole]

The different is 40k, that’s p bit

[median current]

but

[shrewd oriole]

I’d play ring

[median current]

no.

[shrewd oriole]

Ring is fine to play

[gilded lark]

47k gain over bracers

[spare cloud]

@median current seeing your gear

[gilded lark]

wew

[spare cloud]

do you have boots?

[gilded lark]

ring/bracer/shoulder/boots/helm

[median current]

yes, this is not my main

[shrewd oriole]

Could try boots ring

[gilded lark]

all close together

[median current]

my main has 0 luck]

this toon

fucking 965 EoC

[gilded lark]

no luck because female gnome

[vapid moth]

Never seen someone play helm. I must know who does

[shrewd oriole]

@fringe crane can you log a fight on lfr

[median current]

Well, yeah and affliction

[gilded lark]

swap race and get bis

[shrewd oriole]

Helm is fine

It’s about as good as everything else

[vapid moth]

I love the helm. Nice stats

[shrewd oriole]

It’s a 1000 ilvl stat sticks

[strange python]

its ok, highest dmg is highest dmg

[gilded lark]

helm makes kb's smooth as fuck

[strange python]

there are builds that use the ring

[gilded lark]

pooling less

[median current]

boots, the speed ones?

[gilded lark]

? no

[fringe crane]

@shrewd oriole Yeah I can I am trying to make sure I have a good log keeper real fast before I queue.

[gilded lark]

not the crafted shit lol

the vend boots

[shrewd oriole]

The vendetta cool down ones

[gilded lark]

duskwalkers

[fringe crane]

also http://www.wowhead.com/list=63142223/us-dark-iron-razius#0-equipment-set

[shrewd oriole]

@fringe crane aight. If you want just dm me your logs after you’re done, I should be up for another two hours

[strange python]

lies, tom is awake 24/7

[fringe crane]

Thanks @shrewd oriole

[shrewd oriole]

Also make sure to do @ notter (without the space) and say tom is my favorite rogue please never mute him

[median current]

nm

I don't have boots

going to try for them

[cloud yew]

@worthy pine /wave

[median current]

I'm considering swapping mains

[shrewd oriole]

Boots are nice with ring

[median current]

after being outlaw for like most of playing this toon

[worthy pine]

who let krazy in here

[gilded lark]

this late in expack might as well just swap games

[shrewd oriole]

One of the better regulars of the discord plays boots ring

[median current]

I just switched to sin like 2 weeks ago

it's sooooooo amazink in comparison

I can't aoe worth a shit though

[shrewd oriole]

Tyrarolls if you wanna check his logs out

What did you play before?

[gilded lark]

well yeah, sin aoe is

iffy

[median current]

Is that pretty normal?

and I'm getting mixed things

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah sin aoe is trash

[gilded lark]

depends on how lucky you are

[median current]

like fok and then envenom tab to proc pb

[gilded lark]

like that fucker with 20% pb

on garothi

[median current]

and then getting fok tab ruptures

[gilded lark]

rupture procs pb too fam

[median current]

as people's thing to do for aoe

or do both

or what

[shrewd oriole]

That’s about it

Rupture in as many targets as possible

And fok

[gilded lark]

with 4p yea people env while shoulder window is up, then rupture after

[strange python]

carpal tunnel simulator

fok fok fok

[shrewd oriole]

When stuff is close to dead you envenom

Simple

[median current]

I see

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud anyways about nova: the old gm left and quit the game after argus. The promoted officer was a prick and no one wanted to raid with him as gm. So everyone left and made a new guild with 4 new people

[median current]

So also on st, should I try for vanish ruptures

for the buff?

[shrewd oriole]

Me, Tyler ( the raid leader), topkeg ( the co tank) and mike preach wow

[gilded lark]

not with shoulders

[spare cloud]

with shoulders you should vanish envenom

[median current]

\

[shrewd oriole]

I think there’s a 5th guy but he was ex nova and had just taken a break

So 5 new people

[median current]

hmm, neat.

didn't know that

is there a good fight by fight guide for sin?

There's one for locks on lockonestopshop

I'm not seeing one on ravenholdt

or finding vids on youtube that are worth a shit

[shrewd oriole]

Not fight by fight no

Our guide writer doesnt play the game

[drifting cloud]

🤔

[shrewd oriole]

There’s a general guide and a brief tip section for some fights

[median current]

I see, I think I saw the brief one come to think of it. was pretty garbage tbh

like

basic

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t say that loudly

[median current]

not garbage

[shrewd oriole]

They might hear you

[median current]

just very very very basic

and brief

[shrewd oriole]

I got what you mean tho lmao

The short tips section is so basic she posts her daily Starbucks on her ig story

[drifting cloud]

damn 4d chess burns

[shrewd oriole]

But yeah the guy who wrote it did the easy bosses then his guild disbanded

[spare cloud]

can't even play 2d chess

[shrewd oriole]

So rip

[spare cloud]

Tom you going hardcore next expan then?

[drifting cloud]

think theyre 3 days with a split

[shrewd oriole]

Not nova schedule no

3 days and a split yeah

Mandatory beta and ptr

[spare cloud]

So 4 days

kk

[shrewd oriole]

Think Alex and loz are realistically aiming for top 100

Nah split is on the third day

If splits are even a thing

[drifting cloud]

pls Ion have mercy

[spare cloud]

@median current https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rYxWfFCHeHhbWwWYosdN7M

Look

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t mind 2 clears

[spare cloud]

I've replaced shoulders with 930 shoulders and bracers/ring

[shrewd oriole]

I do that on my own anyway tbh

[spare cloud]

and it sims better for you

top 100 with 3 days is easily possible

[shrewd oriole]

It’s like 3 alts that gets boring

Yeah it is specially with their past experience

Most everyone has been top 15 world so

[spare cloud]

I mean we did top 40 with 4 days

[shrewd oriole]

Including the leadership which is the most important

[spare cloud]

there is also innominatum who sometimes crash top 25

[shrewd oriole]

Plus we have ptr and beta which is a big plus

[spare cloud]

but I don't know about their exact schedule

[shrewd oriole]

Mandatory for the vids

[spare cloud]

A friend used to raid there

[shrewd oriole]

Everyone in the guild gets at least beta

Just so fatboss can shoot their vids

That’s funny as fuck ahaha

[spare cloud]

dont you get beta 100% if you have CE of last content

anyways?

[drifting cloud]

yeah I think you do