assassination

[grim canopy]

is that her husband

[gilded lark]

[steep obsidian]

wut

[civic palm]

Raid done who wants more music?! > _>"

[grim canopy]

So this guy in the wow pvp discord said rogue can't do 5m opener, i had like 6m for a second

[civic palm]

ok

[grim canopy]

hes lying?

[civic palm]

Didn't you already prove him wrong?

[grim canopy]

i guess

[gilded lark]

i did a 5m opener in ToS with shit gear

tell him to fuck off

[grim canopy]

okay good i wanted to check maybe my dps meter was off

[civic palm]

8M is a pretty keen opener now.

[grim canopy]

oh jesus

oh maybe he meant after the wpvp dmg reduction then

[gilded lark]

tell them pvp is a minigame for casuals

[grim canopy]

rogue wpvp is good stuff tho

[lone junco]

maybe in pvp template gear, in arena, with dead shoulders.

[grim canopy]

a lot of peple cry

[civic palm]

Casual retarded opener.

[strange python]

Those juicy bombs

[civic palm]

only the phatest.

[strange python]

So I have a dumb question

[strange python]

Which I am good at

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

When envenom deals damage, is the resulting possible deadly poison proc guaranteed to be 80%?

[lone junco]

env doesnt proc dp.

(right?)

[civic palm]

haha

[strange python]

I dont know

[civic palm]

I've complained about this before.

[lone junco]

the buff window from the env. gives your white, mut, fok. probably kb a 80% chance to apply

instead of 50 base

[civic palm]

DP states that "strikes" and not "attacks" trigger it.

and where's this extra 10% coming from?

20% even

I can count.

[fervent beacon]

Tonight was a good night

[civic palm]

👌

[fervent beacon]

Vancouver Canucks won the final home game for Sedins

and Sedins got assist/goal for the game winning

[jovial kite]

[fervent beacon]

[jovial kite]

Qho pinged where what

[fervent beacon]

[gilded lark]

miz what 20% are you referring to

[civic palm]

DP proc chance.

30% base, 30% envenom

[gilded lark]

mm right ye

[civic palm]

80% from where?

[strange python]

Its 50 base, no?

[jovial kite]

@manic vigil

[gilded lark]

no

[civic palm]

Nah

[gilded lark]

this isn't instant poison

[jovial kite]

Hating on murica?

[lone junco]

these are the applicaitons not the ticks

there is a lot going on.

but they look like the white hits after the env.

where as the dp and mut are same time stamp

[jovial kite]

beware of sleep apnea i know 2/3 of u filthy americans are overweight or obese

@manic vigil

[strange python]

I guess I was asking if envenom buffs itself assuming it can proc dp

[lone junco]

so im going to say maybe.

[civic palm]

Yeah maybe? lol

[lone junco]

but you wouldnt play any differently

[civic palm]

IIRC

You can still angle away from dummies and check.

[gilded lark]

depends if the buff applies before the hit is made

[civic palm]

You should not AA but can use skills.

[lone junco]

I saw a Dp and Env on the same time stamp

[jovial kite]

next time dont mix memes with actual hate @manic vigil 👺

[strange python]

Yeah I see that too

[lone junco]

so either way. you play the same.

are you trying to count dp ticks during kb?

or just wondering if the Env is also a dp hit.

[strange python]

Just wondering

[lone junco]

ill say yes.

weak will be like. duh. its always done that

[civic palm]

100%

Can confirm.

ENV procs DP

[lone junco]

grey dagger work?

[civic palm]

Not AAing.

[strange python]

So is that proc guaranteed to be 80%

[lone junco]

/cast env
/stopattack

[civic palm]

80%?

[lone junco]

prob yes.

[civic palm]

Not... AAing...

[gilded lark]

why would it be 80%

[civic palm]

There's no need for stop attack.

Because I am not sitting at an angle where I can attack.

[lone junco]

base is 50 with buff is 80

[civic palm]

What base is 50%?

[lone junco]

base poison application rate

[civic palm]

How is it 50% and not 30%?

[lone junco]

50 + 30 = 80

[civic palm]

I say this while looking at the tooltip, seeing it's base 50%.

Yet DBs have it at 30%.

[civic palm]

Yeah I am asking why DP is 50% in game and not out of game.

[gilded lark]

is there a trait that buffs it or is wowhead just speshul

i went to log in and there was an update so i cbf

[civic palm]

MMOc DB is also potato, showing 30%.

[gilded lark]

trait maybe

[lone junco]

maybe Im wrong. But i remember it to be 50/80

[civic palm]

It's 100% 50% in game.

But no DB has it listed as such.

[lone junco]

which is why the old NSDP cold mut logs were funny

50/50 gods or scrubs

[strange python]

My thought process was, if the answer was no, then would it theoretically better to clip envenom so the new envenom is always 80%

[civic palm]

Anyway, you can check the DP application from ENV yourself, just turn away from the dummy, remove DP, build CP, apply DP and Envenom.

There's an angle in which you cannot AA but still MUT/ENV/etc.

[lone junco]

neat

[civic palm]

Yeah it's been a thing for a while and I've no idea fucking why.

See? No AA.

AA

[strange python]

good to know

[steep obsidian]

something something 🍝

[civic palm]

I know that there is some weirdness for nameplate targeting and range.

But the angle thing is weird.

[lone junco]

log can filter between the hit and tick

but yeah.

[jovial kite]

if you position yourself to look 90 degrees off target u can use abilities but not aa

[lone junco]

what dmg addon is that?

[jovial kite]

This has been a thing for rogue pvp openers for ever

[civic palm]

Yeah.

Hey Discord wanna post my messages please?

[lone junco]

why wouldnt you want to aa in pvp?

[civic palm]

"Combat Log" was my snarky answer to your dmg addon question.

[jovial kite]

not break blind/sap until a bleed ticks etc

[lone junco]

its color is not default.

[civic palm]

Sure isn't.

[lone junco]

you can hit a sapped target with env without breaking?

[civic palm]

You can apply things to them without breaking Sap.

[jovial kite]

go look up pvp openers for rogue

Im at work

And cant be asked

[lone junco]

thats good enough. I still dont do the pvp these days.

[civic palm]

It's also a reason you might not be regening NRG as quickly as you think.

Bad angles stop AA's but you can mash like normal.

👏

[jovial kite]

I think the aa angle is 45 degrees to left and right

Dont quote me on it though

[civic palm]

Looks like it.

Don't have a fucking... triangle to measure though.

Used this to test in Legion Beta whether Ghostly Strike procced Main Gauche, it didn't at the time.

[ebon tapir]

oh I know it's a bit early, but I just did normal Gorothi, is that more of what my fights should look like?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VDvHgyQdRrWhA1b2/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[lone junco]

way better

so that 4th env, could be delayed a bit to ensure uptime during kb.

but it dropped liek a smidge early is all.

and yes

open and close proper.

looks like you delayed vanish a smidge for good alignment at the tail. 👌

had a little gap in env during 2nd and 3rd and 5th kb

but i think you jumped from 65% to 98%

whats your ilvl?

[ebon tapir]

it's 969 Equiped

[lone junco]

did you log or someone else

[ebon tapir]

I did

[lone junco]

advanced options, there is a setting for advanced logging.

it will pick up gear.

and other stuff.

its a wow setting ingame.

[fervent beacon]

Yes

I was going to bring that up, your opening is bang on so that's a good start

[lone junco]

I know thats a shorter fight, but you jumped 300k

so good job.

[gilded lark]

[fervent beacon]

But all your fights are going to be different based on the encounters and such

[ebon tapir]

alright I enabled it. But yeah thanks for the solid advice, I tried asking around my server but i was top 3 rogue, so I knew something was off looking at ilvl%'s

Hopefully next week I'll be able to bang out some more consistent fights and hopefully get more stuff to look at to improve

[lone junco]

some people do weird stuff to. the TC here is pretty solid.

hope you stomp your raid now.

gl

[ebon tapir]

Much appreciated! I will try my best lol

[lone junco]

and btw

that was just 6% bomb

it will only go up from there.

a 12% on that run would be like 2.6m?

[fervent beacon]

That what Braodsides said when I was playing outlaw and switching to sin

[gilded lark]

what

[fervent beacon]

I remember something like that

I can't find the SS with you saying that

[lone junco]

lol

apparently I say that often.

[fervent beacon]

Think it was when fok meme was alive and I was like I wish I could meme fok instead of playing outlaw and you're like well, your dps will only go up from there.

oh wait that was shant

yeah

[lone junco]

yeah fok meeme

[gilded lark]

"2 blocked messages"

[fervent beacon]

Yeah that was you lol

[chrome mural]

Feels fucking bad.

[honest pelican]

rogue is finally starting to not suck, even tho i had to break his 2pc LFR t21, decent upgrades

[fervent beacon]

[gilded lark]

[drifting cosmos]

🤔 good to see sin in that upper mdi time trial

also i wonder if they can 4monk it if its at higher number

[steep obsidian]

a few of those guys just played sin coz it was easy to pick up as an offspec and do ok damage with

and upper is a st dungeon so why not

[civic palm]

This seems FINE.

Blizzard.

Least it's a good race.

"race"

[steep obsidian]

all dem red names

[zealous dew]

what's the class light green ?

[steep obsidian]

is anyone even using a non dk tank

for anything

[civic palm]

WW

Windwalker*

[zealous dew]

never heard of it

is it good?

[fervent beacon]

Good enough to replace your shit rogue

[steep obsidian]

its the one that is too hard because when you press the same button twice in a row you do crap

[civic palm]

and every other Rogue, it turns out.

[onyx falcon]

anyone else think it might be a good idea to use WW monks for upper kara? 😃

[civic palm]

Naaaaaaaaaaaaah

[zealous dew]

my rogue is not shit, it just deals little dmg

[shrewd night]

[drowsy parcel]

them fucking up the weapon ilevel on the tourney realm didnt exactly help

ww's are the least reliant class on weapon ilevel

not saying it would have been different but it sure didnt help

[zealous dew]

casters ?

[drowsy parcel]

weapons were 970

were supposed to be 995

so yes

casters were fucked

and hunters and stuff

[zealous dew]

and retridins/shadowpriests

LOL

I mean what's more useless than a SP

[astral sundial]

kinda weird, how casters became more reliant on weapons then melee

[shrewd night]

ded chat

[solid nova]

Come help me arrange moving house so i can return to spending my time stalking discord

Ty

[zealous dew]

done my daily coin on KG

no trinket

it's only the 14th time i coin in the past 3 weeks

[shrewd night]

Moving house?

But.. englando has like tiny houses

[zealous dew]

I can help

[frozen pecan]

I can be in London in about 3 hours

[zealous dew]

same but I need to book a plane first

and tell my boss that I won't work today

[shrewd night]

Its friday tho

[supple mesa]

Lol

Shadow blades in bfa seems insane

[shrewd night]

We dont speak about the oranges in such a fashion

[dire spoke]

[shrewd night]

I missed you in last nights raid, Zempai 😦

[dire spoke]

you didn't invite me tho

[shrewd night]

Join me bb

[verbal falcon]

Im guessing i got godly rng on this kill? Seeing as my ilvl is low and im by no means an expert rogue
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kynDfcq6CdJmxrjN#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=16

[wise frigate]

Jesus that PB

[shrewd night]

Get outta here with that shit

Take your PB and hit the next train to FarAwayVille

[wise frigate]

You got more PBs in one pull than I had in 3 hours of raid tonight.

[hazy iron]

yikes

[dire spoke]

@verbal falcon well you did okay https://snag.gy/EXsnj0.jpg

only 1 shitty TB

not many missing uptimes while KB

[verbal falcon]

Yeah only been playing rogue "seriously" for a month or so. I basically KB on cd (pref right after an envenom) and same with TB as the 2nd tb lines up with kb again almost. Not sure if i should wait a few seconds to use them together or if its ok the way im doing it now.

[hazy iron]

its ok what you're doing now

some people delay TB until last 9 seconds of KB

[dire spoke]

You can delay TB if it's not longer than ~5s because you could miss a cast on the fight - garothi is special because you shouldn't be using any CD on the canons, so you gonna delay TB while it's up by nature

[solid nova]

20% PB lmao

What the fuck

[hazy iron]

yeah

i personally don't really delay it unless i need to pool some energy

[shrewd night]

How do I merge logs on warcraftlogs again?

[steep obsidian]

change name from "evisc" to "poisonbomb"

[verbal falcon]

Pay for it bro and lets do it

[steep obsidian]

you used up your rng for the next 3 expacs

[zealous dew]

wtf 20% pb

lulz

[steep obsidian]

i mean ive gotten more then that on ahc but that aint st

[shrewd night]

I want to edit a dhiarrhea gif to be poisonbomb icons in his honor

[gilded lark]

957 2.4m

[shrewd night]

But..

[gilded lark]

what the fuck

[shrewd night]

Eh

Lazy

[random sorrel]

can anyone point me in the right direction for the crucible weights?

[zealous dew]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[random sorrel]

thank you

[shrewd night]

👉 📌 👈 🖕

[brisk forge]

🤡

[shrewd night]

Two hours left at work

pls halp pass time

[solid nova]

3 for me fam

[frozen pecan]

1 hour left FeelsGoodMan

[shrewd night]

Kinda tempted to go early

Because friday

[frozen pecan]

do it

[shrewd night]

Do I look like the kind of rogue who can affort a fucking garden dawg

[solid nova]

I have a gardener

Every 2 weeks

[shrewd night]

I spend all my time praying for pb to actually get paid for work

Although Ive been tempted to get a maidservice to clean my apartment every two weeks

Seems like incredible worth

[solid nova]

I have someone who comes in every wednesday morning after ive left for work

And gardener every 2 weeks

Well worth and its not expensive imo

All in its under £300 a month

[shrewd night]

Isnt that the same price as rent tho

Actually

300 pounds is like nitpick

Pocketlint

[solid nova]

No mate my rent is like £925

Well, It it in my current place

Worth it if its affordable

[shrewd night]

I live in the most unaffordable place

so uh

[frozen pecan]

I was thinking of maidservice aswell my flat is a mess right now

and I can't bother to clean

925 pounds? how big is your house/flat

[solid nova]

2 bedroom mate

Oxford prices 🤷

[frozen pecan]

so we are talkin 50-60 m²

[solid nova]

My current place is about that yeah

56 i think

[frozen pecan]

fuck me, that's alot

[solid nova]

£6 a pint in oxford too, just naturally expensive

[frozen pecan]

holy crap

[solid nova]

Yeah mate tell me about it

[frozen pecan]

I know the beer's expensive in England but that's crazy

[solid nova]

Yeah but go to my mums ends and its like £3.50 haha

£1.80 on Mondays but its a shithole 😄

[frozen pecan]

Can't remember how much I paid for a pint in milton keynes when I visited my nann and cousins the last time

but it wasn't 6,50 lol

[solid nova]

I drive through Milton Keynes all the time mate

Roundabouts fucking everywhere

[frozen pecan]

haha true

got alot of family there

[shrewd night]

Not evne going to into how expensive pints are over here

But hey

oilmoney $$$

[solid nova]

Well took the time to get a mortgage sorted, moving about an hour north to a 3 bedroom house and it works out at about £750 a month

Stupid difference

Just trying to sort shit like internet and things

Cba

[frozen pecan]

750 for a 3 bedroom sounds good. How's oxford so expensive tho? Seems like a fuckin boring place to live, if you ask me

[solid nova]

Location more than anything really

And its got a lot of history

Once you've been there long enough though the novelty fades

And you know, the monthly bank account beating gets boring after a while

[brisk forge]

Just need a bigger account👍🏻

[solid nova]

Knew i should have stuck to selling drugs

[brisk forge]

I did that when i was Young aswell, good memories 😍

[frozen pecan]

good old drug dealer times

[brisk forge]

But i was more of a invester then a dealer

[dire spoke]

@solid nova 🍻

[solid nova]

@dire spoke ☕

Nearly forgot!

[shrewd night]

tbf

It could have been Essex

So I guess you did well for yourself

[frozen pecan]

I gonna get fuckin wasted today 🍺

Going to a concert in Innsbruck 👌

[solid nova]

Theyve got loads on atm

Looks sick

[verbal falcon]

6.50 pounds for a pint? Thats 3-4 pounds cheaper than most pubs where i live.

2-3 maybe, 4 is a stretch

[solid nova]

I wouldnt drink if i had to break a tenner for a beer 😂

[frozen pecan]

dafuq and where's that posh place?

I already complain when I have to pay €4 for a 0,5l beer

[shrewd night]

inb4 scandinavia

10 pounds is the starting price for pints

[frozen pecan]

ye but you earn more there aswell

[shrewd night]

Earn more, pay more

1:1

[frozen pecan]

ye

it just sucks for tourists

[shrewd night]

We dont want tourists from thirdworld countries anyway

🔥

[frozen pecan]

third world = everything else but scandinavia? 😂

[shrewd night]

Something along those lines with our prices 😂

[frozen pecan]

I'm going to norway in august, gonna be fuckin expensive 😅

[shrewd night]

Where you going?

[frozen pecan]

lofoten for a few days then we go down to bergen and make our way to oslo

[shrewd night]

Nice

bring ya raincoat for bergen

[frozen pecan]

I will 😄

[valid moss]

Does Cloak immune the damage ticks from broken chains stacks on argus mytikuu?

[shrewd night]

I wouldnt use cloak for those ticks regardless

[frozen pecan]

work done for today, cya have a nice weekend bois.

[shrewd night]

Just feint it if its critical

[valid moss]

feint works on that debuff?

[shrewd night]

Kinda, makes everything else less lethal which allows healers to catch up

[valid moss]

and you save cloak for immuning fear stacks if you get even 1?

[shrewd night]

I use cloak for emergency soaking of the balls

Because Im just that kind of guy

[spare cloud]

You're such a good guy

[shrewd night]

How can a toxic cunt be a good guy

I think Im getting a hold of this sarcasm thing.

[honest pelican]

every rogue and his mom especially all these 3m hp new rogues with low ilvl have mantles...

[shrewd night]

Sorry Mario, your Toph is in another world.

[polar grail]

My mom would not be a rogue

she's a fuckin saint

[spare cloud]

Tisumi have you applied for SB yet?

[shrewd night]

Assuming the genders of rogues in 2018

what is this

[gaunt moat]

tisumi new mod hype?

[spare cloud]

idk, he insulted me

if it was a public vote I wouldnt vote for him

[shrewd night]

Would be good to have a good rogue be a shadowblade for once

🔥

[gaunt moat]

so definitely not you

[polar grail]

shots... they have been fired

[shrewd night]

😦

[spare cloud]

but then nobody here should be sb

unlucky

[shrewd night]

U N R U C K Y

[solid nova]

@honest pelican My alts 965 yet and doesnt have Mantle, Bracers or boots fam

RNG just isnt always with us

[gaunt moat]

only good rogue is musclebrah.
do you know how many different sets he has?!

[polar grail]

Have you tried running EN at all difficulties?

[shrewd night]

At LEAST 22

[spare cloud]

Have you asked him if he'd like to be SB?

[shrewd night]

Where is that pasta

[spare cloud]

who are you again?

[shrewd night]

funny, ppl who are skillwise shit especially in m+ didnt went 27+ talkin so much. obvs u would never understand to have more then 3 sets/trinkets cause u suck at min maxing m+ which is completly fine, someone has to suck right. peace ❤ 💪

There we go

Found it

[honest pelican]

so murderous intent is one of my 2nd tier NLC options, but it leads to sprint/fok. otherwise secure light for enveom

[solid nova]

Brb rerolling monk

[honest pelican]

i want to skip murderous and go secure -> envenom right

[steep obsidian]

id say so but you can sim it

^

[honest pelican]

raiding

[spare cloud]

fok is alright in raids as well, for some bosses

if you're really only raiding and only ever do m+ for the +15 key

[steep obsidian]

you dont really take sin rogues for aoe though to a raid if ya need that yer raid has other issues

[spare cloud]

then go env

[shrewd night]

Garothi, council.. uuuuh.. Coven...

Eonar

uuuuuuuh

[steep obsidian]

the bosses taht matter are all st

[polar grail]

Garothi? double dippin on the arms?

[shrewd night]

You hit boss too

Also, scumbagging both arms is a CP/ST damage increase

So

🤷

[polar grail]

lol

[steep obsidian]

lol i got a 17% pb log on portalk keeper with 0 of it on imps

[polar grail]

bad tanks?

or never popped when imps spawned?

[steep obsidian]

was doing adds and had a bursty comp anyway

just enver spawn

or proc

[spare cloud]

You dont take rogues if you want st as well

[polar grail]

burn

you take rogues for Kingaroth

[solid nova]

You take 2 blood dks, and a 50-50 mix of Aff locks and Monks

[spare cloud]

so, just take what brings the biggest dps increase

Yes.

Richard got it

[shrewd night]

My 15% pb log on portal keeper had 10% of damage on imps 😦

[spare cloud]

for some bosses you can also take warriors

and enhancement shamans

[steep obsidian]

yeah i think i proced 3 in a row at one point

game is dumb

[solid nova]

3 PB procs in a row

😩

[spare cloud]

what are the chances !?!?!

[solid nova]

I get excited when i get 2

[spare cloud]

I had a 3 pb opener on coven last week

[turbid harbor]

at 4cp it's a 0.1% chance

for 3 procs in a row

😄

[spare cloud]

then I failed hard

[polar grail]

is that how stats work?

[spare cloud]

actually close to a 0.2

but well

[solid nova]

So you've got more chance of farming Ashes of Alar than getting 3 PBs back to back

[shrewd night]

[solid nova]

Or is it invicible?

Cant remember rates

[spare cloud]

But the sample size is also bigger

[solid nova]

True true

[turbid harbor]

why would it be close to 0.2

when it's 0.1

[solid nova]

Whats the math behind it?

[turbid harbor]

10% chance of pb from 4cp

[spare cloud]

Isnt it 0.125 x 3

[turbid harbor]

cube it because it happens 3 times in a row

0.1^3

wat

[solid nova]

Glorious

[turbid harbor]

it's hard to tell when people are sarcastic if they start the conversation with something that isn't accurate

[gaunt moat]

Me when i get 4% PB

[spare cloud]

It is (2,5*4)^3 yes.

[turbid harbor]

ya

which is 0.1

[shrewd night]

https://stickershop.line-scdn.net/stickershop/v1/product/1086212/LINEStorePC/[e-mail];compress=true

when you get 20%

[spare cloud]

Yeah.

[shrewd night]

Confirmed btw

[polar grail]

what is that weaby body builder bunny

[shrewd night]

Notter is musclebrah

[spare cloud]

I'm sorry if I confused anyone

thats why I have the sarcasm sign

[solid nova]

If

[polar grail]

sarcasm prydaz?

[spare cloud]

I missed my barber appointment today because I overslept

they called me and I didn't wake up

I feel bad now

[shrewd night]

If you can afford going to a barber they better show up at your door in the morning tbh

[solid nova]

2.1 - 2.4 what the fuck 😂

@shrewd night I get my haircut at a salon for £27 every few weeks 😄

[spare cloud]

I don't cut my hair that often

I dont have to look good so it doesn't matter if I run around like a hobo

[shrewd night]

Wait

[solid nova]

Shampoo and condition with a coffee

Hit me up

[shrewd night]

Over here a barber and a hairdresser is two very different things

[solid nova]

Hairdressers is more expensive than a barber in my experience

Afk house stuff

[shrewd night]

Like. Barber taking care of your beard, not your hair kind of different.

[spare cloud]

I know it as translating to Friseur in german

so both

[steep obsidian]

attack hair with clippers set to 0 and forget about it for a few weeks

is the best way

[verbal falcon]

@frozen pecan lmao that posh place is Oslo, Norway :D enjoy

[honest pelican]

so with just legs/boe leggo boots, i still want vanish rupture, not envenom right

[steep obsidian]

the whole point of vanish envenom is to fit all the damage from that finisher into the vanish crit window, that isn't a thing without shoulders

so yeh you are right and that is what the guide says too

[honest pelican]

deadly -> kingsbane -> envenom usually top 3 dmg done?

yea ok i was confused some peolpe said vanish envenom even thouh i had no shoulders, others immediately said wait no go rupture, but ive been rupturing entire time

[steep obsidian]

will vary depending on your gear and relics i guess, you can run a sim and look at the full report to get an idea of what your gear should look like

[honest pelican]

simming 1.2m dps now...just a bit more, still got shitty trinkets, shitty gear overall, no tier set

need to max rank my artifact still, 4 lvls to go

[steep obsidian]

only problem with vanish uprture might be if you suck at accidentally overwriting your buffed rupture too early

[honest pelican]

im overkill for mage tower as it stands though

[steep obsidian]

but thats a l2p thing and something you can track with a weak aura

[honest pelican]

ive had that a few times, but luckily i can avoid it sometimes

yea i have WA to track

what i DO need which may not be a huge deal

is to setup a kingsbane stack tracker

one of the WA had it, but i ddint copy the string from it

[steep obsidian]

for damage breakdown will vary depdning on your gear, you can look at the full html report if you are simming on raidbots

[honest pelican]

thats my current WA, its not prettty, bug it works

top kings/toxic is active, bottom is cooldown

top mid envenom is buff active

i need to re-add feint now that i have will of valeera

[steep obsidian]

whatever works well for you

[honest pelican]

does tracking KB stacks matter or no?

[steep obsidian]

you can't really control that other then keeping envenom up so it would be pointless to track imo

[manic vigil]

And we all know that Lady Ariana is all about them fancy stuff

[honest pelican]

i see ok

feint im gonna go add now though, just because of will leggo

[manic vigil]

Why not

[honest pelican]

DH is just spam spam spam

whats master assasin from, mantle? subterfuge?

[solid nova]

MA is a Artifact Trait

[crimson knoll]

I think it’s also the buff from the mantle

[verbal falcon]

Master Assassin's initiative is the mangle buff

[solid nova]

Master Assassin's Initiative is from mantle

Oh

Too slow

[honest pelican]

im just curious from this weakauras one

what it is or if i should delete it

i think its from the mantle, or set to it, i dunno how to tell

aura 235027

[manic vigil]

In a wa it is the mantle buff of course

[honest pelican]

the mantle one appears to be

what nasas and richard said

this one is 235027

the mantle is

235022

its the tiny dagger on the bottom right, in this photo

that was 6.0s in yellow over it

[gleaming stratus]

Quick preference check on relics if anyone has a second mainly to see if ItemLevel super seed specific Perks

Current:

is the 15 itemlevel worth swapping to.

[solid nova]

@gleaming stratus https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/relic

You can sim the difference

[gleaming stratus]

ok

[solid nova]

I'd do it for you but I'm snowed under at work - its easy enough though fam

[gleaming stratus]

ok sweet

[solid nova]

Thats before any traits, including +5 is applied though

[pseudo ore]

I've been levelling as sub, are you memers happy now

lol

[solid nova]

I leveled as sub 🤷

[pseudo ore]

I got memed into oblivion for levelling as assassin

[solid nova]

Unless you're going for some kind of unusual efficiency in terms of levels

Level as whatever

[pseudo ore]

I've been flip flopping between specs whenever a spec feels slow so I can find the fastest paced spec with the least down time at that moment

so the more spells I learn the more it changes

if it starts to feel slow again I check out how the other two specs are

[lone junco]

@pseudo ore did you read Don's leveling guide?

he recommends sub for sure

[solid nova]

@pseudo ore Low level leveling guide:
http://www.ravenholdt.net/don-joses-rogue-leveling-advice/

[solid nova]

Whats that, 28.5k difference?

Worth imo

[gleaming stratus]

yeah

[lone junco]

the garrote and rupture crit are both on par with shit. so the first tier must be better in the new one.

[solid nova]

Generally anything thats above 1% upgrade i prefer

Some people have bigger margins but its as is

[lone junco]

I agree, unless it is rearding losing or gaining a vendetta cdr.

[solid nova]

Yeah mate, I'm down with that

[jovial kite]

Have a nice weekend yall

Its time to pussikalja

[solid nova]

It's time to bag beer?

[jovial kite]

Yes

Ur goddamn right

[solid nova]

I see ray ban

I approve

🍻

[jovial kite]

🍻

[manic vigil]

It's the murica hater

[jovial kite]

:heyguys:

[manic vigil]

[lone junco]

anniv date night tonight. Gonna dine well tonight 🍑

[jovial kite]

Ooo

Gz and gl

[lone junco]

nvm. it will be good times.

and rum. lots of rum

[jovial kite]

I bought these

ripasso 👌

[manic vigil]

Are you actually talking dinner or...

[lone junco]

yes/yes

[manic vigil]

The peach is confusing me

[lone junco]

I drink Malbec

[zealous dew]

lulz

[manic vigil]

Got it

[zealous dew]

Italian wines

[jovial kite]

top tier ripasso

30 a bottle

[zealous dew]

never heard of it

and I live in Italy

[lone junco]

super dark red? or what

@zealous dew ever run anti in M+, carry in cps, and env fok env env?

[fickle pecan]

hey guys a bit do confused and need some confirmation. On opener , are you supposed to wait for mantle buff to fall off before vanish/envenom?

[lone junco]

do this

if you do it right, the KB will be right at the end of the first shoulder

"Cool thanks! Ill do that, then come back with an orange log"

Last night, actually had a guy come in with an 85% get tips, then come back with a 99% fixed his open and tb/kb and vanish all in 1 run.

[manic vigil]

[fickle pecan]

I aspire for the orange

[hardy pewter]

You want 99% logs? you can fuck up the opener completely, and get carried by 12% pb damage, been there done that

[fickle pecan]

and thanks , didn't mean to be rude

[solid nova]

@hardy pewter Only 12%? There was a log posted today of nearly 21% PB damage

[hardy pewter]

yeah just pointing out a case where my opener was completely wrong, still orange parse 😄

[solid nova]

10%+ I'm a happy chap

[hardy pewter]

idd

[solid nova]

I've never hit the big 2-0s though 😦

[hardy pewter]

thats the godlike level of rng right there

[solid nova]

3 bosses in a row last reset i had sub 3% PB damage

Feelsbadman

[hardy pewter]

thats what, 50% pb procs?

[lone junco]

@hardy pewter luckily the guy last night was 6%bomb. so he actually improved

[solid nova]

If we're on farm and i'm on 3-4% pb damage

Just alt f4 and claim DC

[hardy pewter]

anyone else feel like just quiting the game when bfa arrives? its looking shit atm

no sets, no artifacts, no nothing

no legendaries

[manic vigil]

We shall see

[hardy pewter]

the zones look so nice, but its looking crap mechanically atm

[manic vigil]

Have some faith

[solid nova]

I'm on the fence about it now - no legendaries or artifacts isnt new

Its been that way bfore

I'm playing for sure

[hardy pewter]

yeah but since we had those, taking them away is a big no no

[solid nova]

And have faith it'll be alright

[lone junco]

@hardy pewter our GM is freaking out over the PL

said he will fucking disband over it.

[hardy pewter]

pl i dont care about, it should be awesome regarding loot drama

[solid nova]

Just dont take trials until your main raiders are geared 😏

[hardy pewter]

but looks they are watering down a ton of complexity 😦

[solid nova]

Be real though, the game gets less complex every expansion mate

[brisk forge]

The rading will be more fun w/o sets, legendarys, relics imo

[lone junco]

as long as it takes us a few months to clear the heroic content, sill be fine with me.

[hardy pewter]

more fun without all that? wtf

[brisk forge]

And w/o sets ml isnt that important anymore

[lone junco]

besides, oranges accelerated the curve.

made it easier

[hardy pewter]

you lose a ton of nice systems, how can it be fun

[lone junco]

@brisk forge you shut your mouth

[brisk forge]

You didnt have all that in past expansions

Only tier

[lone junco]

nah.

[brisk forge]

Legendary back, ring yes

[lone junco]

if you have ever run ML for a guild, youll understand how gear works regarding attendance.

[solid nova]

RIP EPGP

[brisk forge]

I know, but i stil dosent think it will be that big of a issue

[lone junco]

and when the BiS Crit/Mastery wep dagger drops for a feral, and he de's it infront of y ou cause "no haste"

[brisk forge]

But me personal dosent want to play with personal tho

[lone junco]

Not a big issue for pugs.

[hardy pewter]

most of my experiences with guilds running loot council is purely: gear your friends until they dont need shit, then you can start giving some scraps to the plebs

[solid nova]

Works over, laters 👋

[lone junco]

we have a system that works. if you dont, that's your problem. or your guilds problem.

what they will do though, is double the drop rate for PL over ML.

and be like. LOL bitches

[ivory leaf]

I had other leave my guild cuz they didnt get a 985 mast vers neck

[lone junco]

i would tell them to GET THE FUCK OUT. and kick them mid raid

[brisk forge]

Then they are just dumb 😜

[lone junco]

but thats just me

[drifting cloud]

thats not because of loot council theyre just dumb

[shrewd night]

People being entitled has nothing to do with the loot system.

[lone junco]

people get bent over trinkets. and bis stuff. PL flattens that

so it has value.

it wrecks attendance.

[shrewd notch]

we have 2 random raid members rotate in to listen to loot council. it helps

[ivory leaf]

Well it was cuz i got it and i had gotton two orher 980 pieces that run cuz i needed them

[brisk forge]

I like ML and prefer it as a guild but personal will work better w/o tiers which mainly is the thing in the beginning of a new tier

[lone junco]

watch the full leather raids for Splits.

then full plate

grats

[drifting cloud]

personal isnt even 100% set in stone

so this debate is kinda pointless

[lone junco]

no

[drifting cloud]

like the last 4 times we had it .D

[brisk forge]

Yeah but can stil discuss it 😏

[lone junco]

when they point a gun at you, you shoot first.

[drifting cloud]

and if you honestly think pl is better than ml you just dont care enough about raiding

[obtuse cedar]

That might not be the best moment to ask ; but why are my parses so bad compared to other sin rogues ? I believe that's because they are running leeching poison n helping locks on the solo add, am I right ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vKFj2cmxVyRwngLT#fight=31&type=damage-done

[shrewd notch]

honestly as a GM i say good riddance ML, and make all loot bind on pickup from bosses 😛

[lone junco]

it better be BOP

cause Im not fucking spending 5 mins for people to pass shit around

[shrewd notch]

^

[lone junco]

@obtuse cedar leeching is zero dps.

I play Cheat death

[shrewd notch]

i don't want to have to strongarm people into passing others loot. had enough loot drama

[obtuse cedar]

Yeah but you can parse a lot more on adds with leeching poison

[lone junco]

no

zero dps

yaall trolling me

[obtuse cedar]

instead of having to waste 5 sec of vendetta on adds cuz they die

[lone junco]

wut

[obtuse cedar]

The solo add is the one that dies last, because less people are killing it

And you're not wasting any kind of rupture/vendetta on it

[drifting cloud]

sure maybe if youre going f or 95

not if you are gray

and its such s small difference

[obtuse cedar]

Yeah, was my first kill and I didn't do too well anyway, but that was my question

[drifting cloud]

you vanished 15s after vendetta on 1st add

[hardy pewter]

how can you "parse more" with leeching poison?

[lone junco]

this was a Kingo add

[hardy pewter]

😮

[lone junco]

this is troll

[drifting cloud]

so you ruined your vanish for all adds?

[hardy pewter]

leeching just heals you

[lone junco]

vanish CS

[hardy pewter]

that vanish cheap shot HAHAHA

[lone junco]

if not troll. you need to learn how the buff overlap works

Vendetta. TB KB Vanish Env.

nothing else

taht on the adds.

[shrewd night]

New meta. Leeching gives 500k dps.

[obtuse cedar]

Didn't say that, but I did shit parses (we can easily agree on that), and I was like ; why is it so bad compared to my usual sin parses (main sub)

[hardy pewter]

it looks so bad because you´re doing shit like vanish > cheap shot

for example

[lone junco]

Those peaks on kingo should be like 8-12m

[hoary copper]

You may want to take a browse through the guide on Ravenholdt, specifically openers and rotation

[obtuse cedar]

Yeah that stuff is ridiculous

[hardy pewter]

if you do vanish cheap shot, uninstall wow 😄

[drifting cloud]

thats only like 12mil dm lost on KG

[obtuse cedar]

But I guess I missclicked or went mongo

[drifting cloud]

no big deal

[shrewd night]

Why do you even have cheap shot bound for pve

Misclick

Oh

[lone junco]

its not the vanish cheapshot i care about

[obtuse cedar]

I play sin in PvP

[shrewd night]

Clickee

[lone junco]

Its the Vendetta Tb KB Vanish Env mut env mut env

[drifting cloud]

lol missclick doesnt mean clicker

[lone junco]

thats your dps.

[drifting cloud]

atleast not in the normal sense of the word

[lone junco]

if you arent doing that on kingo ads, you will be grey

[hardy pewter]

yeah looks like he did errythang wrong tbh

[manic vigil]

Hey that's a famous maneuver. The naya

Vanish cheap shot

[lone junco]

we can start over with a log review.

[shrewd night]

Wanted to tag naya

[lone junco]

but no. the Leeching poison is not dps.

[shrewd night]

But he gone

Feelsbadman

[manic vigil]

[spare cloud]

👋

[drifting cloud]

I did a vanish tb yesterday on doggos for a 97 log

[spare cloud]

Are we analyzing logs?

[drifting cloud]

feelspotato

[shrewd night]

Better. We are analysing grey logs.

[spare cloud]

Don't make fun of grey loggers

help them get better instead

[obtuse cedar]

Well thanks guys, guess I'll have to start relearning my sin spec D:

yeah I did shite as sin, but I think I'm pretty decent as sub

[drifting cloud]

Like I said you ruined your try when you delayed your vanish on 1st add for 10 seconds+

[spare cloud]

I thought I was decent as sub

then I watched ashine play

[manic vigil]

Pretty sure he brought up leeching poison because some dps go kill an add away from healers btw

He knows it doesn't deal dmg itself

I think

[obtuse cedar]

Yeah that's what I meant

[hoary copper]

sprint vanish o.o

[lone junco]

this is really flat.

and luck for a bad open.

[hoary copper]

Oh garothi

[shrewd notch]

does rupture tick for damage on garothi while the guns are out

[lone junco]

yes

and you can hit him with fok

[shrewd notch]

o

[obtuse cedar]

So well, the goal is not to TB when there are 9 sec left on KB ?

[shrewd night]

Someone thought I was memeing when I said that earlier today

[lone junco]

@obtuse cedar no.

[obtuse cedar]

Ngl I've never read the guide (and you guys noticed it) and my mate told me to do so

[spare cloud]

You should read the guide.

[lone junco]

i can tell.

[shrewd notch]

yeah the guide's a great start

[hoary copper]

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[drifting cloud]

that opener is like the most random thing ive seen

[lone junco]

not the most.

[spare cloud]

Still better than Mutilate opener

[lethal heart]

when someone showed me dfa assa logs

that was best

[spare cloud]

I've seen purple dfa assa logs

with hemo

[lethal heart]

rofl

[lone junco]

tyra

[drifting cloud]

dfa into afk

[lethal heart]

50% bomb damage?

[drifting cloud]

sick

[lone junco]

nah. 980 ilvl. doing meme shit

[spare cloud]

Nah

[ivory leaf]

Lmao

[obtuse cedar]

@lone junco is that me ? wtf

[spare cloud]

swagstep

[lone junco]

@obtuse cedar nah. thats just a random "really bad" timeline

[obtuse cedar]

k

For a sec I was scared lol

[ivory leaf]

I just got three MA relics and a 960 fang and i have had tons of crit mast gear so i can finally play sin now

[lone junco]

if you arent going to read the guide ill just block you now. just let me know. @obtuse cedar

[shrewd night]

I treat friends giving wow advice as a random stranger giving you drink in a bar.

[spare cloud]

Can you do Invasions alone when youre not 110?

[obtuse cedar]

Working on it, don't worry

[shrewd night]

You don't know powder he slipped into that shit

[spare cloud]

Yeah never take advice from anyone

[drifting cloud]

just do your thing and blame it on bad rng

works for me

[spare cloud]

Doesnt work for me

I'm still logging grey

[lone junco]

go stomp some normal nerds. youll get an orange then

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/3c845d95753fad5463be2877eb2bfcf7

😭

don't trust grey loggers

[drifting cloud]

orby boy

[spare cloud]

shhh

[drifting cloud]

argus parses for melee are kinda dumb anyways

p1-2 rng

super strat dependant

[spare cloud]

Not depending on if you can get buffs at all

🤷

[ivory leaf]

Mythic imonar runner........ good luck on that parse

[spare cloud]

In my first kill I had 2 rages in p1

couldn't get a single buff

[drifting cloud]

its only 200k dps per stack who needs that 🤷

[spare cloud]

What mythic immonar runner?

[ivory leaf]

I have to run the bridge and i die every damn time lol

[spare cloud]

Thats your own fault 🤷

[drifting cloud]

die from what you can take 2 stacks pretty easy

3 if you like to live dangerously

[spare cloud]

Yeah we rogues soak as well

I do it too

[ivory leaf]

I skystep, cloak and use feint and i run cheat death

[spare cloud]

[drifting cloud]

fire bridge or what?

[lone junco]

how many do you break?

[ivory leaf]

I have to break a lot of them

My guild is very sloppy

[spare cloud]

Yah well if your raid is shit in general then ofc more deaths happen

We have a tank running fire

[lethal heart]

just get 205m psn bombs on argus

[spare cloud]

speedbuffs and monk

[lethal heart]

ez clap

[spare cloud]

with ankh totem

[ivory leaf]

I hear dh’s are good for it

[spare cloud]

I honestly dont know what buffs they use

[drifting cloud]

wtf sebek

[spare cloud]

All I see is pala bubble speed poition rolling through

taking warlock portal

[lethal heart]

i had that once

[drifting cloud]

thats more than I have on 2 kills combined

[spare cloud]

I dont think I have a single kill on any boss with 200m pb dmg

[ivory leaf]

We have a pally tank do it the second time

[lethal heart]

on that rekill

[spare cloud]

but my gear is also really bad

I sim 2.2 with 976

[lethal heart]

that was fun pull. After p2 i was sure we're gonna wipe coz already had really solid rng and then every module i get like at least 1 psn bomb

was solid one

[drifting cloud]

where I was stunned 14s

anyone else getting red discord msges half the time

[lethal heart]

yea

monkaS

[spare cloud]

Yeh

discord is really weird atm

[lethal heart]

but argus ranks as assa

are just so bad xd

too much rng

[spare cloud]

I think they still havent fixed the bug where if you full screen a video in client

[lethal heart]

and then psn bomb on top of that

[spare cloud]

the whole discord crashes

[alpine latch]

How is ASN looking in BfA? Does it play similarly as it does now?

[manic vigil]

Yeah we still stick 'em with the pointy end

[alpine latch]

lol

[lone junco]

hasted bleeds will need some beef for me to care about them.

[obtuse cedar]

https://gyazo.com/92c969cfdf0fc988708b31097fa4ea03
I've checked wclogs and some of them are running boots instead of wrists, is it to be able to get a vendetta on KG and on each wave of add as well ?

[lone junco]

Without bota, id be concerned.

[alpine latch]

I need to catch up on BfA stuff. I've basically ignored all of the info that's come up.

[lone junco]

@obtuse cedar yes. Shoulder boot lets you tb/kb open. vendetta tbkb vanish env add. vend between.

[obtuse cedar]

Nice, thanks

[lone junco]

its not necessarily better
but different

and you cant sim that kind of interaction.

[obtuse cedar]

yeah wrists are not very good since you can't get a full exec phase

will try boots then, ty

[lone junco]

but you get 4 executes +boss

[drifting cloud]

its about the same

[lone junco]

^

[drifting cloud]

honestly depends on boss dmg

how low he is when he goes into 4th adds

[lone junco]

for you, the most important part is a solid strong vanish alignment on each add.

just like the opener.

(well making sure you have cps, cause no shoulder

[obtuse cedar]

For some reasons, it felt like I desynchronised my vanish with adds spawning

[lone junco]

you delay everything

[obtuse cedar]

And I was like : wtf adds are already there but I've got 10 sec left on vanish

[lone junco]

you def cant vanish the opener.

[drifting cloud]

I told you it was because you used it super late on 1st add

[shrewd night]

Yes, if you delay first add you have fucked yourself

[lone junco]

if you vanish early in the 1st add

yeah.

[obtuse cedar]

Ok, that definitely helps me, now I just gotta not being mongo on opener and it'll be fine

Thanks folks

[lone junco]

practice LFR on garothi.

log if you need.

but you have some stuff all wonky

[obtuse cedar]

The other sin rogue in the raid told me to always refresh rupture before KB and use TB when there are 9 sec left on KB, I was quite lazy to check if what he told me was right. And delaying TB for KB was necessary
My freaking bad on that

[vital blade]

can someone post a youtube video on how to do assasination mage tower challenge please thanks 😃

[lone junco]

you can refresh Rupture before TB or kb. but TB should just be used. if it comes ready after you cast KB, that is when you delay a few seconds.

@vital blade use google.

[autumn trench]

why dont you just go to youtube and find one???

[shrewd oriole]

Hmm

[dire spoke]

I have a new guild to join

[manic vigil]

@shrewd oriole

[shrewd oriole]

What wr tho zempai?

[dire spoke]

270

[shrewd oriole]

Wait

M emotes aren’t enabled

I tried to poggers you

:poggers:

[drifting cloud]

is it pull ten

[manic vigil]

Welcome back buddy

[shrewd oriole]

Pull ten

LUL

[drifting cloud]

zempai replacing tom

[shrewd oriole]

Can’t omegalul 😦

[manic vigil]

[shrewd oriole]

Is this true freedom