assassination

[strange python]

That tells you when PB procs?

[indigo epoch]

You can't tell? Lol

[shrewd oriole]

📍📌

[indigo epoch]

Shit's melting, yup PB procd.

[solid nova]

https://wago.io/weakauras/classes/rogue

Type in poison bomb

and browse

[verbal falcon]

Rofl ofc I can tell, but its still nice when there's a lot of clutter on the ground. Some antorus bosses like garothi or kingaroth its hard to tell

[shrewd oriole]

The guide has a good one

In the wa section

[rain pewter]

can someone help ty

the mythic cache from antorus mission

does it count the kills when i accept the quest from the mission or when i send out the mission?

[drifting cloud]

when you accept the quest

[rain pewter]

ait

ty

[solid nova]

TYPING LIKE THIS IS NOT NECESSARY FOR PEOPLE TO READ IT

[shrewd oriole]

Why the caps

Why the name

Just why

[solid nova]

Rofl

its in every channel

[marble hemlock]

does name imply that there have been 122 huge fags before him?

[keen inlet]

if I had to guess, yeah:

[solid nova]

Banned

Bye

[shrewd oriole]

👋

[lone junco]

if only I had a 950 socket specter

ugh

[marble hemlock]

yeah

id also like a 980 engine :>

[lone junco]

ashine's sub set has a 950 socket.

[lean hill]

980 scourge dropped in heroic last week

[lone junco]

our sub got a fat one from a box

[lean hill]

I passed and made the loot council job hard lol. I think they figured I'd go need and that would be that

[lone junco]

maybe this is just normal dps for my shit ilvl.

my bleed stuff is prob just super swanky

2.08

[marble hemlock]

at this point im using all my bonusrolls in tomb, not antorus

which is sad

[lone junco]

ew

[lean hill]

Seems about right. The drop off from my sin to my sub is like 200k ish

[marble hemlock]

im sure plenty of combat rogues would use at least 1 of their weekly bonusrolls on botanist still, if they went there regularly

as sub you kinda need 2 high ilvl t20 pieces if you want to have some decent sims

[lean hill]

Think most of us gave up the frond/CoF dream

[shrewd oriole]

Seeping is good enough

[marble hemlock]

yeah, i guess in most cases you do have high ilvl base options

not for tier-sets though, so getting rid of tier-sets is effectively giving more credence to the tf-system

😦

what are your t20 pieces noobe?

[ivory leaf]

Frond is rlly only good on garothi

For outlaw

[lost horizon]

Why do you think it's only good for garothi? Or are you just looking at trinket stats on logs?

[strange python]

Not sure, perhaps he means Garothi is the only fight where you can literally stand there and not move

and varimathras to an extent

[lost horizon]

There's a decent chunk with pretty low downtime tbh

And it only really hurts frond in particular if you happened to proc it just before downtime

[marble hemlock]

i was about to say, with eonar being somewhat of an exception, but on most bosses you do have an extremely high uptime

[lost horizon]

Mhm

[shrewd oriole]

Holy shit

https://streamable.com/ai0yd

[lost horizon]

Kinny maybe on swap to adds, but honestly I'd rather lose some time on the buff in favour of having it up for adds start

[shrewd oriole]

And really, you’d need a fairly high frond for it to compete

Most people just cba

It’s not as big as cof for fury

[marble hemlock]

even on kingaroth, what is going to happen there?

[shrewd oriole]

And it’s not like you have as many Ol rogues as you have fury warriors

And you can’t skip all the bosses up to botanist

[marble hemlock]

you get a proc 2secs before add-spawn? maybe lose 1-2sec of stacking up? big deal, you still got 13sec of a frondproc on the add when it takes the most damage :p

[shrewd oriole]

So people don’t form groups

People don’t farm it cuz no one forms groups

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[shrewd oriole]

So no one has it

So there aren’t any logs with it

[marble hemlock]

well ive been doing 6/9M tos every week for a while

[lost horizon]

I think a 900 frond is ~945 ssw?

[shrewd oriole]

So people don’t form groups

And so on

[marble hemlock]

and its kind of hilarious how its really only mages, hunter and rogues in those grps

[shrewd oriole]

yep

[marble hemlock]

80-90% of the dps is those 3 classes 😄

[shrewd oriole]

Boomies too tbh

[marble hemlock]

yeah well thats usually evidenced by having 3 offspec restos in the raid to heal 😄

[lost horizon]

I've been trying to get M t20 on my prot pally

Which really sucks when a 15 ilvl upgrade gets kept by some other pally for tmog LOL

[marble hemlock]

just feels bad to coin harjatan/DI/host every ID 😦

[strange python]

feelsbad running that damn raid

I do not miss tomb

not one bit

[marble hemlock]

its fine, im just a bit sad how hard it is to get people to stay for maiden/avatar

even though they are really damn easy nowadays

especially with a comp that is basically full of immunities

[shrewd oriole]

Lots of healers

For sea star

Tos has stronger trinkets than Antorus

[strange python]

I didnt mind farming for convergence since I liked nh

elisande was one hell of a fight

[supple hearth]

Maiden isn't even hard if people know the fight. Problem these days is people forget the fight or you're carrying people who never progged mythic

[shrewd oriole]

A higher cof is such a minimal upgrade

Ooh some more agility

[marble hemlock]

maiden is really easy because you just need a few rogues who know what theyre doing to do the meleesoaks

and if people fuck up, they can just turtle/block/cloak to remove teh bomb and dont have to engage with the mechanic

youre only getting 1 orbphase anyway

same with avatar, you basically nuke the maiden into oblivion because you can do p2 even if he goes down with like 50% 😄

[zealous dew]

1.2m dps on argus

omfg

965+ ppl btw

[sharp viper]

970+ ONESHOT ZERG @limpid sparrow (listed for 3hrs)

[shrewd oriole]

Dead chat

[sharp viper]

jesus christ tom you change avatar and name more often than you do underwear

[dire spoke]

I did a 90 on hasabel and carried fires

wew

[spare cloud]

Have you found a new guild yet

[prime void]

@simple badger

[shrewd oriole]

Trix 2 g

[prime void]

we hitting the weights finally

no longer going to be a malnourished fuck

[trail scarab]

how much crit should you have as assa? i see its lower than versatility on stat prio but is there any "cap" you should hit before this is true? or

[solid nova]

There is no cap

Sim your stat weights

[strange python]

Crit is usually not below vers

[shrewd oriole]

Yep

[strange python]

And your stat weights just tell you how much of x stat will give you y dps

Not how much crit you generally want

[trail scarab]

https://gyazo.com/50d459c042acb7fa2e42c336acc3153a

this is my stat weight

i tihnk its a bit wrong. :p

[shrewd oriole]

What’s your crit %

And what leggos are you using

[trail scarab]

28%, shoulders and wrist

[shrewd oriole]

What ilvl are you

[trail scarab]

947

[strange python]

Must be low ilvl

yea

[shrewd oriole]

Yep

[trail scarab]

im have alot of 915 items still since didnt get the new set items

[strange python]

Crit gets a lot more valuable with tier 21 4 piece

[trail scarab]

Ye, that was what i thought.

[strange python]

In general, people using shoulders at 960++ item level have 30-35% crit

Now you should sim it yada yada

but that's just the amount people usually have ya know

[trail scarab]

Yeah, i can get some "easy" crit on neck at least, so i will get close to 30%

[strange python]

some people play 22/220 lul

[trail scarab]

but i would be sacrificing versatility for it

[strange python]

sim it

using topgear

[trail scarab]

was thinking of getting that dht neck that has like 1:2,25 crit/mastery. but i should maybe wait untill i get higher ilvl

I don't have the necklace yet unfortunately :p

[strange python]

At that item level, just get everything you can get and work out the stats when you have a fair amount of gear to fiddle with

aye then no point trying to pin-point loot at 947, might aswell just do things for loot

[prime void]

Some of us also play 52-130

[strange python]

i got a 980 crit haste ring that outsims my 955 vers/mast this morning :feels:

[prime void]

Just depends on yiur gear and your build

[strange python]

my bleed build rn is like 47+dogs/102% mast

I sim highest with 970 haste/mastery and 985 crit/haste over a plethora of 945-950 crit/mastery/vers shit

15 vers

which doesn't make any sense

biggest being 50% crit with insig but like 93% vers

oops

mast

I toyed around with that insig build

[trail scarab]

do you guys have the shadow singed fang?

[strange python]

I fucking hate that trinket

[trail scarab]

:/

[strange python]

yeah sorry thats what i refer to as dogs

But other people love it

[trail scarab]

i've been rolling lfr, normal and hc for 3 weeks now haha

[strange python]

I think it is not as good as people think it is

its a bug dick trinket

[trail scarab]

just cant get that trinket..

[strange python]

big even

[prime void]

3 weeks isnt much

Im 11/11 and got mine last week.

[dire spoke]

@spare cloud swiss said no due to rogues who joined already, I think Innervision could work out

[trail scarab]

Yeah i know, but seeing all the other people in the guild getting it so easily makes it feel like alot

[prime void]

Zemp youre beautiful

[strange python]

rolled on it for like 2 months of progress and got a 970 socket on a random HC pug

Have to gamble on it proccing during opener/shoulder windows

Otherwise your burst windows are just gimped

[spare cloud]

Rip 😦

[strange python]

which is spoiler: most of the time

its just a solid trinket tbh

And I swear to rngesus that it has different proc rates in m+ than raids

[prime void]

How is fang proccing in shoulder window affect burst

🤔 🤔 🤔

[strange python]

agility

🤔

[trail scarab]

was funny to look at the top logs for rogues this tier tho

[prime void]

You right

[trail scarab]

seems like 80% of them are just rng procs with poison bomb

[prime void]

Me tired

[strange python]

welcome to assa

you either pray for bota or pray for PB or maybe both

That's kind of exaggerated, top logs are lucky people yes, but there are just the same people who use poison bomb as an excuse for poor performance

[trail scarab]

im nowhere near to compete with the people on top logs anyhow so it doesnt bother me, but it was funny to see. 😄

[strange python]

Of course there are still times you do everything right and still get 1.2% poison bomb

[dire spoke]

@prime void are you drunk 😄

[strange python]

at 947 youll also be kinda cucked for ilvl, at 948 i had heroic 21 and heroic t20

2p/4p

[trail scarab]

Yeah, i only have tier20 in 915 tho, so changing those out shouldnt be too difficult

i could start rolling for set items instead of that shadow singed fang

[strange python]

EoC is also really good

engine isnt terrible if you get a big one

ssf is just passive and good

and getting the crit proc during shoulder window is the absolute worst feeling

okay maybe not the worst

[trail scarab]

i do have 955 chest tho actually in t20, will lose some ilvl changing that one

[strange python]

I'll stop but I can't stand that trinket

lol

955 t20?

im wet

[trail scarab]

ye i got it on hc pug when my guild was taking a break

[shrewd oriole]

Why would you hate shadow singed fang

[strange python]

its so good

It never procs when I want it too

[shrewd oriole]

Eh

[strange python]

even proccing at the worst time its killer

got like nutty uptime

[shrewd oriole]

That can be said for every single non active trinket tho

lol

If that’s gonna be your problem with trinkets you’re gonna use stat sticks and actives

[strange python]

67% and 50% uptimes on a random log i pulled

[trail scarab]

that's pretty good

[strange python]

i dunno what its actual uptime is but 50% uptime is pretty big

for that amount of agi

Maybe I am putting too much value in trying to get the most out of the shoulder windows, but not getting the agility proc during that means you're just gimping yourself as opposed to a trinket with actual stats on it

[marble hemlock]

i want ICD trinkets back 😦

[shrewd oriole]

Why you gonna wear tho

[marble hemlock]

and concordance easily a 1-2mil dps difference in the opener with mantle 😦

[strange python]

well if it doesn't proc during shoulders then it probably procs during a TB/KB window

[marble hemlock]

just hurts to do full opener and envenom crits for 5mil instead of 8

[shrewd oriole]

Eoc is far less interesting during your opener than fang

[marble hemlock]

because concordance/fang didnt proc

[strange python]

No it's not

it's consistent

[fervent beacon]

I want the game to be fun again.

[strange python]

and fang is anything but

for the opener

[marble hemlock]

thats a big "i want" :<

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah it is lol

Consistent crit

[fervent beacon]

[shrewd oriole]

During the opener

Why the Fuck do you want crit in your opener

[strange python]

eoc is always going to be worse

in shoulder window

wat

[shrewd oriole]

135% crit

It’s not multistrike

[spare cloud]

What is happening

[fervent beacon]

No need for Crit in opening if you're using mantle

[strange python]

Obviously if the agility procs during the opener then it is better

I'm not that retarded

But it rarely ever procs in the opener in my experience

Why is that a hard concept

[shrewd oriole]

Aight

[marble hemlock]

you know

[shrewd oriole]

Be arr be

[marble hemlock]

having something rarely ever happen

is still better

than having something always happen that does absolutely nothing for the first 10seconds

when youre tlaking about the first 10 seconds

[strange python]

Huh? I don't get a do-over of my opener

[marble hemlock]

moving that aside, it then becomes about flat agi vs agi on proc

[strange python]

If it doesn't proc during my burst windows then that trinket is dead weight

[marble hemlock]

yes

but the stacking crit does what exactly?

[spare cloud]

Crit procc from fang would also be useless in opener

[fervent beacon]

That's life bruh.

[strange python]

It's inconsistent

And the EoC has baseline agility

while fang has nothing

[spare cloud]

its just a question between having less agi but consistently

or more on procc

which is dependant on what you need

[marble hemlock]

ssf is rppm, isnt it?

[fervent beacon]

I mean having EOC for ST will be straight up better than Fang because of passive Crit/agi across the encounter

But my luck been shit so far farming upper.

[strange python]

I would rather have +3000 agility for my opener on every pull than +6500 on some and +0 on others

youd also like a PB in your opener

[fervent beacon]

I mean this only really matter if you're trying to get godlike parse anyway

[spare cloud]

tbh you could simply do the math, it averages out probably

[strange python]

it does

[marble hemlock]

you could just sim yourself and see if the flat agi is better than the agi proc :x

[spare cloud]

For logs you want the chance on 6500 on some.

[marble hemlock]

thats what sims are for

[spare cloud]

If you purely consider that factor

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[strange python]

otherwise it wouldn't sim close to EoC on patchwerk and better on literally anything else

[marble hemlock]

for logs, especially as assa, you want the procs because in order to get godlike parses you need to have procs coincide with your active cooldown usage

[barren holly]

I got a 980 Gnawed Thumb Ring on mu rogue, is it anygood?

[spare cloud]

Yes.

[marble hemlock]

die in a fire

sorry...

[spare cloud]

That profile picture goes perfectly with his comment.

tbh.

[marble hemlock]

anyway

ssf is rppm

so its not just "some pulls you get it on pull, some you dont" it should proc on pull most of the time, because thats how rppm works

[fervent beacon]

That's like the most reaction I ever seen

[marble hemlock]

its not a random diceroll, its a dice thats weighted in your favour

for that scenario

[spare cloud]

even if it was not in your favor

for logs it would still be better.

even if the average is worse

logs are all dependant on the max

[marble hemlock]

if you had an infinite amount of possibilities to log? yes

[spare cloud]

Thats the gamble

[marble hemlock]

i get where hes coming from, since its my approach to dps in m+. consistency > proc based damage

and the flat agi provides that consistency

[strange python]

eoc in m+?

🤔

[spare cloud]

It depends on the field you are argueing in

like i said

[marble hemlock]

on pure singletarget fights? sure, golga+eoc it is

[spare cloud]

For progress the consistency is also better

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[spare cloud]

it only depends on what you are trying to achieve

[marble hemlock]

if you want to hunt logs

youre going to have to decide where you draw the line between consistency and rng

because you will need rng to favour you in order to have good logs

[spare cloud]

very good logs that is

[strange python]

eoc would be rough for prog because you're more likely to have to swap to adds on progression

[spare cloud]

like rank 1 territory

[marble hemlock]

yeah

supreme logs

you can do 95+ easily without good procs, if you have the gear and skill

[shrewd oriole]

Hmm

[spare cloud]

there is a reason you rarely see eocs in rank 1 trys

[spare cloud]

but they clutter up if you go a little lower

simply because lower max but higher average

well, the rank one rogue atm uses HoV so theres also that...

[marble hemlock]

and lets be real for a moment, ssf isnt like super random

its 3rppm and lasts 12secs

its usually at like 50-70% uptime

[spare cloud]

more than 50%

[marble hemlock]

for a proc-trinkets, that is fairly consistent

[spare cloud]

is very good for a trinket like that

makes the average higher than eoc

[marble hemlock]

would we prefer stat-sticks or on-use trinkets that line up with our cooldowns? yeah

but ssf is the next best thing

[spare cloud]

985 HoV 🤷

[strange python]

Find me a simulation where it doesn't show flames of ftarg active during vanish windows

[marble hemlock]

thats because

its rppm

[shrewd oriole]

^

[marble hemlock]

and rppm procs are designed to proc on pull

[spare cloud]

I dont know how much they changed

since wod

but just look at soul capacitor

its rppm as well

[shrewd oriole]

It’s not 100% proc chance on pull

Like wod rppm was

[marble hemlock]

i mean they introduced rppm in MoP

[shrewd oriole]

Buts it’s p high proc chance

[spare cloud]

Yeh thats why I said im not sure

[shrewd oriole]

In the first second of combat

Seconds*

[spare cloud]

I dont know how it is calculated

[strange python]

Does it proc on pull often for you?

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[spare cloud]

It should from what I know

[strange python]

🤷

[shrewd oriole]

I went check a heroic run I did a few weeks back

70% proc chance on pull

From 20 ish kills I looked at

[strange python]

I think I'm the opposite.

[shrewd oriole]

Cba doing more cuz I’m in the middle of nowhere in a desert Brazilian island

[marble hemlock]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/6893549789

this was when they first introduced rppm for weapon enchants in MoP

[strange python]

I know what rppm is

[fast nacelle]

after we trans horde my raider.io resettet
700 score ftw

[marble hemlock]

and later went on to make all ppm-mechanics be rppm instead, which they turned their back on with legion

then why do you ask why the sims assume ssf proc during pull?

[shrewd oriole]

I’d wear eoc if Simmed higher

[spare cloud]

dw tyra they wont take you with 4k score anyways

[warm parcel]

pull isnt high proc chance

[shrewd oriole]

But it doesn’t 🍄

[warm parcel]

pull is when the chance resets to 0

[fast nacelle]

yeah kids think they are cool cats cause they pushed some 24 during sang free week

i played 24 keys over a year ago
i teached them anyway tho

[strange python]

Wow you're so cool

[fast nacelle]

i am

[strange python]

Here's my external validation, to you

[fast nacelle]

you can check out wowprogress sim dps

im #1 and #2

pm me for mousepad signs

[spare cloud]

interface only for subs?

[marble hemlock]

did they remove the stacking out-of-combat window for rppm during wod when i stopped playing for a year?

[spare cloud]

thats why i asked

because they changed how rppm worked after wod

pretty sure

[warm parcel]

it stacks ooc just fine

[marble hemlock]

they changed a lot of stuff back to be ppm that used to be rppm

[warm parcel]

encounter start resets both counters to 0

[marble hemlock]

then why would it stack ooc if it resets anyway?

[warm parcel]

Encounter is the key word

[trail scarab]

does anyone of you use Details! dps meter? and know why i cant see the dot hits of deadly poison on it ?

[warm parcel]

So only fights that are boss encounters in raids

So not 5 mans

[trail scarab]

my dps is like 300k lower on that one compared to skada

[warm parcel]

Not open world

[marble hemlock]

guess thats what changed then

[strange python]

Skada combines both deadly poisons

[spare cloud]

are you trying to say that soul capacitor is not good anymore?

[marble hemlock]

😄

[warm parcel]

Thats why if you have something you can proc RPPM prepull you can get it guaranteed on some classes still

[vestal wren]

using skada in 2k18

[fast nacelle]

skada 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

Who uses sodas

Skada*

[trail scarab]

i use skada 😦

[marble hemlock]

yikes

[shrewd oriole]

Y I k e s

[fast nacelle]

skada is only for streamers who want to let tank pull all together and then join fight 20s later and pad for better dps

[solid nova]

Yikes

[marble hemlock]

details is for people who want to meme with funny names during raid

[fast nacelle]

you can disable that
rly no reason to not use details

😄

[marble hemlock]

aka the elite

[vestal wren]

you can set dps to uptime in details -> same result

[shrewd oriole]

@marble hemlock aka good players ?

[fast nacelle]

yeah you could but its not enabled by default

[strange python]

Use whatever dps meter you want

[shrewd oriole]

If yo meme game nick name is wack then you a bad player

Connor with the trash advice as usual

[shrewd oriole]

[marble hemlock]

i usually stick to "belowmeisgay"

[trail scarab]

when i used details my dps was alot lower so i felt it was wrong, but i guess i can dl it again. it was on dummy aswell so it wasnt really skewed

[shrewd oriole]

Play whatever spec, just have fun

[spare cloud]

Can someone tell me who connor is

I have never seen that name in chat

[shrewd oriole]

Just Connor

[solid nova]

@trail scarab A lot lower or....More accurate?

[marble hemlock]

yes?

[shrewd oriole]

[strange python]

Obviously the secret to 100% parses is using Details

[trail scarab]

I don't think it was more accurate either, because my friends are using details while i use skada, and we have the same numbers give or take a few thousands

[shrewd oriole]

You wouldn’t know

[spare cloud]

from what ive read Connor is the poor mans Nelbur

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

Nelbur was a good player

He was just a bit 2 toxic

[spare cloud]

yeah, just a tad bit

[strange python]

He had his head up his ass

I think you might be following in his footsteps

[shrewd oriole]

Just a taaaaaaad bit

[spare cloud]

If I was that flexible I would walk around that way.

[shrewd oriole]

Eat my own ass

[marble hemlock]

you would need a long neck though

[spare cloud]

Like a giraffe

[strange python]

Or a long ass?

[spare cloud]

that would be dope

[shrewd oriole]

Now that’s something science could dedicate its time to

[spare cloud]

Yeah

focus on the real and important questions

[marble hemlock]

so wait

is there even a difference between having your head up your ass and having a stick up your butt?

[shrewd oriole]

So Connor

[strange python]

hello Tom

[spare cloud]

is there a difference between having your head up your ass or having your ass up your head?

[shrewd oriole]

Do you like call out my name

[marble hemlock]

i mean i guess one is more about the way you talk, and the other one is more about behaviour in general

w/e

[strange python]

the song?

[shrewd oriole]

A stick up your bum is someone who’s moody

[spare cloud]

What does having your head up your ass even mean

[marble hemlock]

do you have your head up your ass, or your ass down your head? 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

I heard you were crazy about it

I quite like it myself

[shrewd night]

Hey bois

Want to see a great meme?

https://gyazo.com/79457b3746bd1f4100013c6eba7afa1f

[shrewd oriole]

Hello friend

Long time no see

[shrewd night]

Want to see a better meme?

[shrewd oriole]

Classical

[shrewd night]

https://gyazo.com/79457b3746bd1f4100013c6eba7afa1f

[marble hemlock]

its the same meme though

[shrewd oriole]

But that’s the same mene

[marble hemlock]

literally the same pull-time

[spare cloud]

YOu didnt need to post it twice

we saw it the first time

[strange python]

No

[marble hemlock]

i like this channel

[strange python]

Post it again

[spare cloud]

Yeah and get muted for spamming

[shrewd night]

https://gyazo.com/27c46bbb1f5a1dba2b5cfa85994725b4

There

The best meme

[spare cloud]

now its the correct link at least

㊗

[nimble tartan]

mmm

[marble hemlock]

what happened

in those 3 minutes

between pulls

because if you do that again

you get that last %

[shrewd night]

Raid over

[spare cloud]

Unlucky

[solid nova]

Ended the riad on a 0% wipe

[shrewd oriole]

[solid nova]

Feelsbadman

[shrewd oriole]

That’s suicide material

[spare cloud]

That would really motivate me for the next raid

[marble hemlock]

its actually a good thing

[nova snow]

am I still a green boi

[marble hemlock]

i hate guilds that try to brute-force by overtiming

[nova snow]

hell ya

[shrewd night]

One more execute and it would have been dead

[marble hemlock]

if you didnt kill the boss in your allocated hours of raiding, you werent good enough

[shrewd night]

43m

[marble hemlock]

stop trying to cheat by raiding overtime :<

[nimble tartan]

It's not cheating

[dawn fiber]

xd cheating

[nimble tartan]

Overtime police lmao

[shrewd night]

So if ya aint seeing me in like half hour, Ive gone strung myself up in my mousecord

[marble hemlock]

yeah well

[spare cloud]

Dont end it yet

at least wait till next raid

[solid nova]

Thats a long mouse cord fam

[marble hemlock]

when youre recruiting for a 2day raiding guild and theres like 10 guilds ahead of you that advertise as being a 2day guild, when they raid 3-4days for like 4 straight IDs at the start

youre kind of getting pissed off by people extending raid-times :x

[shrewd oriole]

This is a good one

I found a good meme

It’s on it’s way

[solid nova]

"Will extend on progress"

[nimble tartan]

Its a game

[shrewd oriole]

There we go

[solid nova]

End up raiding 6 nights

zzzzzzzz

[shrewd oriole]

[spare cloud]

we are a 3 day raiding guild

but during progress we raid 7 days

[marble hemlock]

"we may add an additional day of raiding during the first mythic ID, or continue for a few pulls during high progress situations"

[solid nova]

A few pulls

[marble hemlock]

see them in the 3rd ID, raiding on a friday at 2AM in the morning

[solid nova]

Over several days

[strange python]

👀

[shrewd oriole]

@marble hemlock that’s the reason I left my old guild, 6 days on argus

[nimble tartan]

If they as a group want to raid more than who cares

[marble hemlock]

because 9/10 times its peer pressure

[shrewd oriole]

^

And why lie about it

[marble hemlock]

and 9/10 times (i just made up those numbers btw, dont nail me on them) the performacne suffers

[strange python]

I won't apologize that one year ago I was a very... confused rogue

[spare cloud]

9/10 people enjoy gangrape

[shrewd oriole]

[marble hemlock]

because peak performance usually comes in after about 2hrs of raiding

[shrewd oriole]

Nah what irritates me

[solid nova]

When you push into the hours of mindless screen staring you're not doing anyone any favours

[shrewd oriole]

Is that those guilds lie about it

And hide it

[nimble tartan]

Who cares though

Do u

[shrewd oriole]

When I’m in sair guild

Yes

Said*

[marble hemlock]

i care, because i have to compete in a very limtied recruitment pool with guilds who are lying about how much they progress

[shrewd oriole]

When I’m not, not really

[strange python]

so Tom

How goes that ravenholdt circle of trust

[warm parcel]

And a little bit smarter than average player will check the logs of said guild

And see the real raid hours

[spare cloud]

the guilds I like the most are

[shrewd oriole]

Pickle rick

[strange python]

I'm sure I can dig through your reddit history and find something.

[shrewd oriole]

Oh yeah

[spare cloud]

we are #1 world alliance gnome only pink transmog

[shrewd oriole]

Tons of stuff for sure

@warm parcel I mean not if they private log

[warm parcel]

Then you check wowp

And ask the people

[strange python]

hey Tom

[shrewd oriole]

True, I should’ve done better homework

[strange python]

can you link me your logs so I can see what a good rogue plays like? 😃 thanks

[shrewd oriole]

[spare cloud]

You just have to find that one guy that was forced into extended raiding times

[marble hemlock]

theres a reason most of these guilds private log, and few applicants actually check their calendar to see if the guild theyre applying to now actually killed that boss 3months ago on one of their raiding days or an extra one

[shrewd oriole]

I found a poe shop with your name Connor

Do you play poe

[strange python]

I did

Many moons ago

[shrewd oriole]

Aero376

[strange python]

I'm glad you can use google

[frigid dune]

@shrewd oriole @fervent beacon Thank you for taking the time to look at all of that earlier. I knew it was terrible and it's exactly why I came for help. I just haven't really grasped the guides that I've seen out there, taking a look at Ravenholdt, Infexious, and IcyVeins as well as other guides out there.

Also, I don't really care that peeps are laughing at it as I'm just looking to improve. I care about performing and I care about my team but didn't know just how to execute quite a few things as it's blatantly obvious to some, but not myself.

I raid as a release as I'm the only working parent currently and don't have much else going on besides this so I truly appreciate the insight most of you were able to give.

[spare cloud]

If you come here 9/10 people will laugh at you

but there might be that one guy helping

[strange python]

That's a good attitude to have.

[spare cloud]

its worth though

[shrewd oriole]

Undeniable proof Connor has low iq

[strange python]

Bitch please that song is good

Also, who are you trying to impress

[spare cloud]

How do those 2 things go together

I don't understand

[strange python]

He's digging through my reddit history

[marble hemlock]

you got a stalker?

[spare cloud]

Thanks for telling me

[strange python]

Which is a perfectly normal thing to do

[spare cloud]

I couldnt have guessed that by the picture he posted.

[shrewd oriole]

Chain smokers

Is not good

😠

[marble hemlock]

smoking kills

in case you havent known yet

[spare cloud]

Breathing kills

stop breathing

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud I laugh and help if that counts

[frigid dune]

So this is the guide correct? http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah @frigid dune

[spare cloud]

Its a good starting point

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t read icy veins

Noxxic

[frigid dune]

Yeah I was told that at the start of the xpac

[spare cloud]

once you have everything written in that guide you're gucci

[shrewd oriole]

Or that you tuber dude

None of them are nearly as good as notter

[frigid dune]

Who infexious?

[spare cloud]

You dont need anything else than the ressources on this discord.

[shrewd oriole]

As much as it pains me to say it

[spare cloud]

and raidbots

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah infexious

[frigid dune]

kk

[spare cloud]

infexious is a shadowblade here

if you look a little more to the right

[shrewd oriole]

So

I won’t lie just because he has powe

[marble hemlock]

[12:28 AM] Aero376: None of them are nearly as good as notter

dont let him read that

quick

spam over it

[frigid dune]

lol

[shrewd oriole]

Ahahah

Hide the compliment

[marble hemlock]

hide all evidence

[spare cloud]

well the notter guide is just the best for beginners

[shrewd oriole]

Can’t let notter know that I like him and respect him

[spare cloud]

dont worry hes afk

[shrewd oriole]

Also @frigid dune mad respect for being a raiding dad, that shit’s tough 😃

[spare cloud]

gotta set your priorities

[shrewd oriole]

Once you chomp through the guides, if they leave you with any doubt in your mind, feel free to come here

[spare cloud]

boss kill or feeding baby

[strange python]

You respect people?

[shrewd oriole]

Only white people

White named people that is

[frigid dune]

Thanks Tom

Btw, 4 kids haha

kmn

[shrewd oriole]

Ahahah

[solid nova]

Fortunate you can find time for raiding with that going on

[shrewd oriole]

We were 4 in my house hold too back when I lived at home

So mad respect for you man

[spare cloud]

I think you count for another 4

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah because of all the knowledge I have

[spare cloud]

As high of an IQ as Tyler1

[shrewd oriole]

Millionaire playing video games

✅

[spare cloud]

You?

[shrewd oriole]

No

Tyler1

[spare cloud]

Are you not even a Millionaire?

what have you done with your life dude

[shrewd oriole]

I’m only a millionaire when my mom dies

As morbid as that sounds

[lone junco]

what is the moonkin major self defensive for the 1shot mechanics?

[marble hemlock]

bearform

[solid nova]

Bearform barkskin

[spare cloud]

I'll work as a maid for you

[lone junco]

and ele?

[spare cloud]

if I find no job

k?

[marble hemlock]

ankh

[solid nova]

Let the ele die

[lone junco]

lol

[shrewd oriole]

Ele?

Defensives?

[marble hemlock]

im not even joking

ele has astral shift

[shrewd oriole]

Prydaz beg for bark and pray for mercy

[lone junco]

So i Sac the Ele, then Aura Mastery.

[shrewd oriole]

Astral shit

[marble hemlock]

astral shift is fine as a cd

its just the cd is way too long

[strange python]

Playing something that's not a rogue?

[spare cloud]

Tom you didnt answer my question

[strange python]

Bad noobe

[marble hemlock]

depends on what youre doing noobe

[lone junco]

Im flexing hpal.

[solid nova]

Noobes had his pally for yonks

[marble hemlock]

what content

[shrewd oriole]

Uhh

Why my maid

[marble hemlock]

what type of damage is coming in

[shrewd oriole]

You can be my accountant lol

[spare cloud]

I can do sexy cleaning

[shrewd oriole]

Ahahah

[spare cloud]

in a short dress

[shrewd oriole]

No kpop in my mansion

[lone junco]

I made it to +16 bursting stacks yest. Pretty confident I could do a lot more.

[spare cloud]

dick hanging out

[shrewd oriole]

It’s a trap house only

[spare cloud]

on the bottom

[marble hemlock]

but yes, you should never have to external a boomy unless he specifically asks for it, and even then you should be skeptical

[shrewd oriole]

Gucci gang

[solid nova]

So you offer Toph a job as accountant before me? @shrewd oriole

[marble hemlock]

i mean pally is born for bursting

[lone junco]

we are pushing Bear to Moonkin, Ret to Prot. Rogue to hpal, and rshm to ele.

[marble hemlock]

with beacon of virtue

[shrewd oriole]

@solid nova what course are you taking

[lone junco]

bov is really really stronk

[marble hemlock]

why not just go bear, ret, rogue, rsham?

[solid nova]

I'm qualified...

[shrewd oriole]

Oh shit

[marble hemlock]

i guess pushing the bear to play something else is fine

[lone junco]

our main run is Bear/RShm/Ret/Rog/Arcane.

[shrewd oriole]

Well then I just have to make enough money to justify two accountants

[marble hemlock]

but ret is pretty good actually

[solid nova]

Lmfao

[shrewd oriole]

Easy enough considering I’m first in line for the family business + I’m the only one who’s genuinely interested in it

[lone junco]

he does like 10-15m trash and still keeps up with me in st.

[marble hemlock]

depends on the affixes a bit, aswell as choice of dungeons, but if you can safely go divine hammer youre good

[lone junco]

we put him spinny hammers.

[spare cloud]

Im not qualified

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[shrewd oriole]

Yet

[lone junco]

and glaives

[spare cloud]

but can show you fancy pictures of complicated stuff

[marble hemlock]

his singletarget doesnt suffer nearly as much from going divine hammer, as it would be the other way around

[shrewd oriole]

I’ll only be rich in like 20 years dhde you got plenty of time to get prepared

[lone junco]

anyway. hpal is for fun lols. and the Ele can dumpster my rog in aoe.

[dire spoke]

hmm

2.23m

[marble hemlock]

glaives are nice, gorshalach is pretty good too as a ret

[lone junco]

so for the Teeming/Fort, i dont mind

[spare cloud]

I might have a few millions to my own in 20 years

[dire spoke]

my rogue isn't getting any better than that

[marble hemlock]

teeming is ele/ret heaven

[shrewd oriole]

Yes it is

Cmon zempai

[marble hemlock]

and protpal, for that matter

[shrewd oriole]

2.3 or bust

[lone junco]

pretty sure he runs the glaives then Gorsh.

[solid nova]

With keybinds i reckon you'll get 2.4

[marble hemlock]

should be the other way around

[lone junco]

yeah., thats our group for this week

[shrewd oriole]

[dire spoke]

👺

[marble hemlock]

pre-stack gorshalach before you start the key to like 10-12stacks

[solid nova]

😂

[marble hemlock]

since they dont get reset when you start key

[lone junco]

protpal/ hpal./ moonkin/Ele/Arcane

[marble hemlock]

then switch to glaives

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud hopefully man

[marble hemlock]

arcane is going to run into troubles once you hit higher keys

[lone junco]

pretty sure the prot pally can beat me.

I bop him on the reg

[marble hemlock]

since surviving melee is tough

[shrewd oriole]

I have to finish my course, start as a low tier teacher and go up the ladder

When my mom retires I take over as principal and major shareholder of the business

Then I make bank

[spare cloud]

want to see fun stuff

[shrewd oriole]

So that’s like, 20-25 years

[lone junco]

hpal kit is absurdly good. compared to wod

[marble hemlock]

so

bursting shouldnt really be an issue as hpal

thanks to virtue

[lone junco]

it totally was fine

rshm squeels

[marble hemlock]

rsham is fine too

on those insanely big pulls

because of slt

[lone junco]

slt?

[shrewd oriole]

@lone junco what’s this week affixes

[marble hemlock]

spiritlinktotem

was bursting/skittish/tyra

[lone junco]

we are Teemin/quake/fort

[solid nova]

Ooo

[shrewd oriole]

Damn that’s an easy push week

[lone junco]

yeah. i got a 18upper

[marble hemlock]

depends on the key

[shrewd oriole]

Too bad imma miss 90% of it

[lone junco]

going to push it and then cry in seat

[marble hemlock]

quaking is really troublesome in a lot of dungeons once oyu get high enough

[shrewd oriole]

True

[marble hemlock]

actually one of the worst affixes

[shrewd oriole]

You can get some really unlucky timers

[sly rampart]

Hi all. I am trying to figure out what my stats (am pretty sure my suck) should but there are way too many guides out there. Can someone tell me which is the most reliable?

[shrewd oriole]

Like shatter + quaking in 1st boss in NL

[marble hemlock]

the one in the pins

[solid nova]

@sly rampart Look up

📌

[marble hemlock]

right at the top it says "sin guide here -->"

[lone junco]

we do well with our group, but dont have the major stuns or ccs.

[shrewd oriole]

[marble hemlock]

start there, someone smarter than us can answer follow up questions

[shrewd oriole]

Wow

[lone junco]

DH fel nova makes me lol so hard.

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t sell us short

We are the most competent crew

In the entire Rh discord

[lone junco]

r1 bleedboi

in the 957 bracket

[shrewd oriole]

To my left, noobe who has a wcl screen shot for every situation

[marble hemlock]

i dont know about you guys, but im just pressing buttons

[spare cloud]

I saw that richard

[lone junco]

so is the R1 Varith

[marble hemlock]

?!?

[shrewd oriole]

Seliathan, who can answer any question about assa in m+ including why the hell are you playing assa

[sly rampart]

Oh sweet! Thank you Richard

[shrewd oriole]

[marble hemlock]

i also got #1 coven :<

[solid nova]

That's what I'm here for

[shrewd oriole]

Pk btw

[solid nova]

But if you @ me while I'm asleep

[solid nova]

I'll end you

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve had many close kills to r1

But I can’t get it

Cuz no pk

[marble hemlock]

cant beat the PK

[shrewd oriole]

Actually such a big damage loss

[marble hemlock]

havent been on coven in weeks, i miss it 😦

[solid nova]

Do you know what you should do when you're bored

Pug covern

[shrewd oriole]

I’m usually in on every boss but argus

[solid nova]

Then tell me you miss it

[shrewd oriole]

I just bench myself on argus

[marble hemlock]

id have to tank the shadowgrill

[shrewd oriole]

Drops no loot

[marble hemlock]

and then i cant multidot

😦

[lone junco]

super duper rupture

[solid nova]

Holy shit

[marble hemlock]

wait

is that vari opener?

[solid nova]

Yeah

Lmfao

[lone junco]

ye

[marble hemlock]

why dont you start with 5cp

?

[lone junco]

R1

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t ping that guy

[spare cloud]

What?

[marble hemlock]

theres cockroaches in that room

like, critters

[shrewd oriole]

^

[marble hemlock]

you can stun for CP

to start with 5cp ns rupture

:x

[shrewd oriole]

My rank 10 was with 4cps at the start

[solid nova]

Dont give out the secrets ffs

[shrewd oriole]

Clearly gave me an unparalleled edge

[marble hemlock]

unless you have people in your raid like i do, who noticed, and are going out of their way to kill them

[solid nova]

Then we all leave the raid

Reset and come back

Because I want my Cps

[shrewd oriole]

[solid nova]

Its beneficial for the raid

I love a Noobe graph

[lone junco]

❤

[marble hemlock]

nice

[solid nova]

Oh dear lord

[shrewd oriole]

Oh no

[solid nova]

My eyes

[marble hemlock]

strong opener

[shrewd oriole]

Why scarab

Why

[lone junco]

R1

[marble hemlock]

out of? 3?

[shrewd oriole]

Assa ranks are a matter of skill

[lone junco]

he Transcends Logs

[marble hemlock]

transcends cp limits

thats for sure

[solid nova]

If that doesnt highlight the strong complexity of Sin

[shrewd oriole]

Clearly this man is just more skilled

[solid nova]

Idk what will

[lone junco]

wtf is this shit

non pb. 6m peak

thats pretty bonkers

[onyx falcon]

execute full burst?

[shrewd oriole]

Vanish?

[lone junco]

no shit tom.

[marble hemlock]

big kingsbane

[lone junco]

thats above average

[solid nova]

Non PB?

Are you certain?

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[lone junco]

ofc

[shrewd oriole]

His pb isn’t even that high

[lone junco]

ath 10m env

[marble hemlock]

you can literally see where the damage came from

[shrewd oriole]

What ilvl is he

[lone junco]

81pts isnt bad

976

[marble hemlock]

was that a 9cp envenom there at the end noobe?

[solid nova]

Yeah pb on the 345 mark

Hard to see on phone

[marble hemlock]

that why it was so big

9cp envenom during 2nd vanish

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[lone junco]

played well.

[solid nova]

https://gph.is/18nt6ki

[lone junco]

here it is

Vanish + argus + both dogs + conc

[strange python]

man is literally a god

the parsing gods are with him today

[lone junco]

3M kb ticks 👏

[marble hemlock]

noobe?

[lone junco]

yo

[marble hemlock]

when youre at 8cp, do you fok to get to 9, or finish?

[lone junco]

well. I did actually play anti for a few pulls. and was able to get like 98ep 98env 97 2p

just zero dps

[marble hemlock]

yeah, feels good to keep up envenom/vp

still fapping to my vari hc log

https://puu.sh/zKqko/d3ee2b5a47.jpg

feelsgoodman

[lone junco]

this is my 🍆

100% bota at exang

[marble hemlock]

yikes

you fell in a well as a child?

[lone junco]

guess thats the bleed lottery

[civic palm]

While at the same time, Enhance just mashing to 54%.

[marble hemlock]

i know that one, but its not usually related to wow

[lone junco]

80k over sim.

yeah, he uses hekili.

[civic palm]

heh

[shrewd oriole]

Meanwhile

Poison

200k over sim

[civic palm]

Shadow?

[shrewd oriole]

[lone junco]

my last shoulder was at sim. 😴

im prob like 33/183

limp donger imo. 33/233 is more like it

anyway. afk

[shrewd oriole]

Insane how like

15 ish ilvls

Are 400k sim dps

[civic palm]

Even more depending on if you are going from 940 no tier to 960 with tier.

Like my smelly WW.

[shrewd oriole]

Idd

My BM hunter at 955 only sims 1.8 or something

1.7 actually I think

Not even 75

[civic palm]

I think I am ~940 @ 1.4

[shrewd oriole]

I do have double bis leggos

[civic palm]

My WW has 1 + moveRing.

[shrewd oriole]

How many total?

[civic palm]

Bracer isn't BiS but I think it 's close.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

Within 1% I think

[civic palm]

1.5 1 BiS no tier.

[shrewd oriole]

Not bad at all

[civic palm]

Working on getting the hat and a ring into SIMs + tier and see how things change.

[shrewd oriole]

No argus ring?

That has to be better than speed ring

[civic palm]

If it were in my bags, it would be on.

3 more pieces of tier + helm + sullied ring

[shrewd oriole]

Can’t you get it from lfr

[civic palm]

Can't you just give it to me?

Also no, simmed worse.

[shrewd oriole]

Sadly not

Wow really