#assassination
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I get all my procs on the run
anyway. the best 8-10boss 20s I can get from Sub is 11m. sin 8m
a similar geared dh with hat can pull 18m
and that 18m is for 20 and 40s
super cool
someone end my suffering please
Rip
Trampstamp?
Why don't you teach your dh buddy tho? @lone junco
I hate trampstamps 😂
@manic vigil ive tried. many times
Anybody else find it amusing how with Assassination duels end in like 3 seconds?
people still duel?
I do. Always compete with my friends
figured it died since hp pools and damage output are a bit fucky
Dude true
Lol
Paladins are terrifying in 1v1's
If you don't kill them INSTANTLY you're fucked. They don't even need to use bubble. Lol..
960 drape of shame for my rogue, great
Well tbf as a dh you gotta be edgy. Being good would be too mainstream I guess @lone junco
Dh main btw 
@honest pelican link it in the paladin discord
@manic vigil tbh, the toolkit is fantastic. esp for 5man work.
Yeah it seems like a fun class
beam on demand, is like a sub cloak open. plus fel nova, and ranged kick.
giving up survival
I never really played it but since it's fast and spammy I'm almost certain I'd love it
But making fun of them is my duty so..

looks like swagstep didnt manage to get a good NL run in, so only 1 rogue left 😦
No surprise there
The guy I got to do my 15 changed my mog

@marble hemlock ashine and muscle are still in no?
Trinket slot 2?
also nnogga's team looked strong
gross
Hopefully
they did well but its timetrials so they got infinite chances
Then we can spam no name
drjay is an ape so maybe theyll get dq'd or something poggers
One can hope
ashine last bastion of hope for the rogues
Ashine is the true hero RH needs
muscle been playing monk for like 4months now so i dont consider him a rogue anymore :x
Plus
He’s a cunt
So I do t want him as my class representative
I’d much rather have @fathom badger
yea
it's only ashine that i respect from sub rogues that are on top
i can think of
at least EU wise
kjells angel :3
didnt you mean wiping as intended?
Who is ashine btw? Does he stream or how do you all know him?
yea sadly they dont compete FeelsBadMan
miracle sucks though, so ashine is basically best m+ rogue
😄
but yeah hes basically the only m+ rogue competing that high
since muscle is a dweeb
immortal 22 gearset meme though
I mean
Aversion didnt qualify
gotta appreciate him for that

they stopped trying a day or two ago
Ashine is our boy
ye
aversion has some really fucking good players in their raidteam
they lumped US/OC together yes?
oh neat
That would be big meme
wouldnt even be top 8 europe FeelsBadMan
Europe best region
not even top 10 probably
As always
it's only because
Who got 1st seed in Europe?
these jobless european people
Drag?
can just play all day
Frag*?
and live with their parents
wow like the only game where EU is top of the competition
yeah, thanks to their 4dps NL
yea by far
What place did divine’s team get
they got 1st seed
they're like 3 minutes ahead of 2nd team
5 or 6
wow and counter strike
that's huge
4dps NL grevious is super dumb
their overall timer is ~36ish minutes
very ballsy
Not bad
and 2nd team is 39ish
Ah fair
it's a bit bugged need to look at timers
because it says 8th team has 41:27 and 9th 41:23
so it's not correct
here is the doc
oh the nolltvatre grp managed to get into top8
yeaa
so this might be a silly question, but when running sims, do you guys set other pantheon trinkets to 19?
found stat weights change significantly due to the pantheon trinket setting
but i never used to mess around with that number
rofl
that the girl-pally from his guild managed to get into regionals and he didnt
brb
LULLUL
i almost played with them
but i just lost motivation
after my team fell apart
super happy they made it
It’s under the part where you select the amount of pantheons
Helpful tom
Christ
rofl
Frag’s team is so ahead
yea
but thats mostly because of their nelths
probably
which they wont be able to 'reproduce' if they get 1 chance on stage game for example
super impressive shit though, 4 dpsing grievous dungeon
just goes to show
how tertiary stats need to be removed from the game
cause theyre all shit
well yea
if you can balance your strats around them
definitely
but they clearly didnt see that coming
avoidance/speed are basically a checkmark you have to make to be able to get into highkeys "got 20% avoidance/18% speed? youre tall enough for this ride"
speed as rogue wahat you on m8 but yea i know
and leech is just a bad thing in general, both on items aswell as with class mechanics like dh meta/vamp aura
yeah
i mean
this thing alone
gives me like 200k-300k hps on last boss in seat
which is huge
they'd literally need to cut leech to the tenth of it's value
everywhere
with how much dps we do right now
just remove it alltogether
honestly
all these "bonus" effects are starting to become mandatory instead
atleast in high m+
yep
for raiding it's w/e i guess
unless people literally
were going for 20 avoidance on stuff like aggramar
which i doubt
if they want to keep leech, make it gear-only, not abilities granting it, and cap it at like 10 or 20%
i mean its really only a thing for m+ because people doing m+ get a shitton more items to choose from, raiders usually only get their weekly lockout loot and tertiary stats are very rare still
I think it’s an interesting raid cd
bdk aura is good enough
it makes you want bdk for certain encounters
in m+ that is
it is, but its also what makes bdk be the uncontested m+ tank
sure divinefield or shakib manage on other classes, but theyd simply be better off if they were playing dk anyway
yea they're playing or they'd be playing bdk anyway
I mean which they are lol
Divine doesn’t play it on live cuz he can’t bring it to raids
Which means it has way worse gear
idk why some guilds dont allow people to come on their alts
it was same in my guild
then he tried out dk
and never played anything else the entire TR again

my alt wasnt even scuffed or anything
Not bad
No haste
i cant wait to get my weekly chaos crystal
losing 6% crit tho man, 

i hope i don't use shoulders now, pls praise me lord simc
no shoulders club best club
boots are probably one of this legendaries huh
if you ca nget one more extra cast of vendetta because of them
then gets better value
but if no then rip
since it drops your vendetta CD by like 20-30seconds
it doesnt take long for you to get an extra vendetta out of them
13.2k crit with EoC stacked :x
Boots bracers ftw 
no!
on patchwerk the reduction is roughly 22sec
prydaz, valeera ftw
sephuz
prydaz means sick bombs boiis
lol
Keep that one noobe
used the free form snip for something at work.
We gonna need it
I’ve been watching vines by the pool for like 3 hours ahaha
@zealous dew I actually had to use shoulder prydaz on first boss Tyr Nelth.
I miss vine
you have feint tho
I feint a lot.
only need to feint shatter
just kill skitters, 2 up might wipe you
prob a function of my other guys taking a ton of dmg. and me getting leftovers.
And kill adds
I'm too slow on my phone 
in time.

Only 970 gear too
DH
Dh
2nd to last boss would be rough on tyr
the pet boss would prob be fine, just leap out of breath.
wonder what haps on 1st solo. doubt you go into the shadow realm
hehe
@turbid harbor sub prob pushes deeps off skitters then.
ive been working on my st. but it is like 200k under my sin
i wonder how long until a dps is soloing 10-12s
yea it depends, but with feint on shatter your group should die long before you
damage dealt by shatter depends on remaining hp of the ads
yeah. im not dying first. and ret/sin/arcane. we did better with mage in melee aoeing them on the ret.
i use prydaz for bursting sometimes, like BRH spiders
19Tyr nelth at like 10mins over timer
Prydaz as rogue
but shoulder/prydaz is only like a 60k drop from my shoulder bracer.
well we do like 3-4x big pulls in a row if i can help the hpal a bit might aswell
the only time i equip prydaz is on xavius in dht

ive been putting it on after 2nd wipe on a boss or pack.
and since the dps sim isnt that far back, Im not worried.
i use hands insig and use cloak vanish and cheat death as ways to deal with the mechanics
pretty common strategy these days
As sub?
spiders/wyrmtongue hallway bursting without fort can kill you with enough dps
Why not double ring
hands insig.
I usually use that
vigor ring is pretty shit on patchwerk without feinting
can swap one for prydaz if you're at a difficulty where it will save you from dying to nightmare bolt
but nightmare bolt does shitloads of dmg even at low 20s
its not affected by avoidance is it? i think the highest dht ive done is 19
im only 2.4 or something, v scrub tier but i mostly just carry
anyway, Hand/Insig seemsgood.
nightmare bolt isnt
feed of the weak isnt
it's only 50% aoe slam
or w/e you'd call that
that's affected by avoidance
ya
meh
i know cheat death is so strong but man elusiveness has such an allure
We did some with 3 ranged yesterday. Pretty fun tbh bdk aff boom hunter. Chain pulling for days
30% wall consistently is hard to beat but cheat death is super good for risky shit
elusiveness is good with prydaz, can survive up to 26/27 fort bolt with it and prydaz
yea idk last boss is so weird
because if so many people outrange it
you get the debuff on you
and one tick eats your prydaz
so then even if you feint with elusiveness you die
can you vanish bolt or do you have to cloak and hope you dont get debuff
yea that's why i just stuck with cheat death
it's also much better for the rest of the dungeon
and mistakes do happen
it's only 3rd boss
where i'd really love elusiveness
because keeping elusiveness during aaoe knockback is nice
i mean feint
winds are a bitch
@lethal heart same. I have a 975 i think. its barely an outlaw item, cause I dont have the scourgewing.
yea it's bad for every talent combination even for my outlaw
that's my 1st trinket from hc/mythic levels on my rogue
ive got a 960 one i game every now and then for M+ big pulls
bonus rolling dogs/vari every week
like you can stack it on CoS and then first imp pack destroy shit
So Ive been trying to use Glaives /Mines for fat trash. Man they suck.
glaives as sin rip
better off just praying for 
i dont have sub hands or I would play it more, but ring/shoulders is still forgiving
Hey all, been hanging around but haven't had a chance to ask.
What based on my parses could I do to improve on my rotation? I've recently been advised that our team is pushing our comp to handle above average numbers as well as acing mechanics.
We're 3 weeks into Mythic and 6/11 I personally don't see that we've had any major issues but then again I'm probably too close to the situation to make light of my inconsistencies.
Please take a look here and hit me up. Need to be prepared for Raid on Sunday and I want to do my best.
Thanks
Uh
Soldier Tom 
Don't shame someone that's asking for help
Have you read the guide @frigid dune
Cuz you wasted like 10 combo points in your opener
(Shoulders) 4 x 4
- 1
- 5
12 combo points
Wasted in 6 seconds
@strange python it’s not shaming people asking for help
But rather people who ain’t reading the guide
Oh please, you screenshotted his logs with an intent to make fun of him
what about kinga guys? i have 3 vendeta relics . should i wear boots for this fight?
If you ask for help and you don’t try and help yourself first by reading the tools hand made for you
Then idk what to tell you
wait

Yeah I was going to comment on the opener too
Because within 30 seconds I could tell he hasn’t read the guide
Not to insult the dude, but it's probably one of the worst I seen.
So if he doesn’t put in any effort why would I
@Reysatana#4110 I can’t tag you for some reason but for progress boots are arguably better. I do tend to play bracers nowadays
Which is worse, that or the log that we're looking at.

so 3 vendetta relics plays in favor of boots there?
It doesn’t really matter Rey
@frigid dune please take a look at the guide, your opening is a mess and wasting a lot of CP.
But supposedly vendetta would be up for every add?
!singuide
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
bot trolling you hard
@frigid dune Made it easy for you to find it
Help me help you
I run boots/bracers on kin so I can vend on boss/add everytime
Ew
Don't think its worth using shoulders on kin unless you're praying for rng jesus
Even tho vanish will always be up for every add phase
Even tho they’re really good, they’re not good
😎
Just outlaw player things
Maybe just to trigger you, I will run boots/shoulders


That’s fine
As long as you’re wearing shoulders
👌
I played boots shoulders on 2 fights on progress
Sue me
I probably will for agg tbh for progress
No point using bracers if we aren't getting sub 30% anytime soon
assuming that I don't get benched 
Does KB give 1 or 2 cp?
1 normally, 3 if crit
We have like 4 rogues now, we keep stealing people from top failing guild on our server
ok so in that Furian log, he casted TB > Mut > Mut > KB > Rupture
👀

Sometimes I've seen it give 2, maybe if the offhand gets parried or some shit but the rest crits
its like he's using finisher at 5cp no matter what
Nice BULLYING void stop being such an ELITIST
3 Muts in row for rupture.
👀
Some of us just aren’t that good OK??

Stop taunting us with your coven farm OK
Env TB Mut Mut
Another 3 muts > env
He also casted feint > vial > feint
oh boy, another 3 muts to env
3 muts to rupture
Fuck it's going to be a lot
It has to be astronomical
It seems like he's building to 5cp for finishers in nutshell
y i k e s
Yes
84 Lul

Given enough shit logs
We all eventually become a bit toxic
Some of us have just succumbed to the madness
I meant that I also can't do quick math
To the allure
there;s actually 89
To this unnatural power
@frigid dune Sorry to bug you, but after taking a closer look in your log, I think you should really read the sin guide in pinned because your opening is incorrect and you're also seem like you're straight up building toward to 5cp. You don't want to use combo generator once you have 4cps, so just use env or refresh rupture at 7s once you get to 4cp. If you mut and get 3, you can get another mut in for 5cp or if you need to refresh garrote, I would refresh garrote and use finisher at 4cp
Those two are going to be your biggest improvement
hmm you wouldn't use TB at 4 cp?
You could, but if TB crit, you're wasting the extra CP.
So I would just env and cast your TB after. Am I right regarding on that Tom?
ye but your envenom deals 30% extra damage...so should be worth it
I use tb at 4 if available, you will possible lose the crit CP, but you already lose that CP mutilating at 3CP anyway, isnt a big loss
and doing that, you can easily get 3 envenom during TB window
I usually tb before I envenom, but use Kingsbane after envenom
after opener of course
but, I dont know if it is a dps increase, I never tested it with simutioncraft
as far as I know, if you messed up and at 5 CP while TB is up - then you still should TB before envenom
He wasted roughly about 84cp on Garothi
People mistreat those poor combo points
those poor neglected fellas
and he wasted over 100 cps on the hounds
F
damn
should probably spec into anticipation if he's wasting all of those cps lol
over 100 on portal keeper
I lost 40 on my mythic argus kill, which is a 10:30 min fight
I really hope that guy comes back and see all my helpful advices aka read the guide and finish at 4cp.
Because he seems like he really want to improve his dps

Look at you caring for someone else 
I'm so proud
Maybe we should all do only 5cp finisher and see who parses best regardless of it
@fervent beacon I never use anything at 4cps
Paralympics kinda
Cuz yeah if it crits I’m fucked lol
Interesting
My first garrote and rupture on opener - should I let these fully tick out or overwrite them?
Refresh at pandemic window
the guide says u can redo rupture as early as like 8 seconds iirc
and not lose dmg
So after you finish using your opening, then you basically maintain your bleed
If you had nightstalker you'd let the garrote tick out wouldn't you? Or close to It, since its empowered
But aren’t they empowered so overwriting cancels that
but get outta here you pirate 😡
Lol the spec change commands don't work. Back at sin for a while now
Is there a reason why Rank 6 Master Assassin is valued so low? Its simming lower then Fade into Shadows.
what spec do you want to add/remove?
I don't care all that much but I am playing sin poison if you want to green me
@marble zephyr doesn’t line up with cds p
there you go
Thanks fuu
If using mantle. Who does that anyway right 
Can you green me
Now he's an undercover pirate 
Llease
done
Thanks
Yeah I just got mantle and was simming its a 2% dps loss over 2pc 4pc wrists + insigna

the trait I might miss the most in BfA is dense concoction... hopefully something similar will be an azurite trait
no more poison knives with bfa :((
Cat-like reflexes! Cause fall damage is for scrubs
wasn't there already something for that in T2?
maybe i'm misremembering though
we have talents to make up for that
i need to find the bonuses again
No energy from vendetta sounds like the real problem
Oh my
and mut is cheaper
well, we got this to heal a tiny bit
http://bfa.wowhead.com/spell=264108/blood-siphon
yeah, vendetta in bfa refunds like 40 energy instantly and 40 more over a period of time
but the cheaper mut and haste changes will make up some of that
Mates
We are gonna be haste stacking boys
Assa In bfa is gonna play like combat

Tom. did you see the screencap that i posted?
probably try to reach some sort of soft cap at least at first
Felhounds from the same log
Stop
Ah yeah I saw that unfortunately
Really wish I hadn’t
I thought assa was simple to play and didn’t know how you could parse grey without being dead
At this point, I'n being more toxic than Tom is 👀
Guess now I know the answer to both those questions
I tried running two mythic + this morning and people were just fucking awful. Why is it so hard to get good group with my monk
Come on void. Stop expecting people to learn their class. It's not like reading a guide takes less time than running a dungeon
look at that shit, fucking alts
Nice carry
🤔
980 ring killed it
Where's my involuntary coach Tom
It’s voluntary work
Oh baby
Must be my birthday
If you dont mind would you please review and log?
a*
Sure
Seeing as I had a 15% pb pull and could get at the least a 99% parse I feel I must be doing idiotic shit x
There you are man!
hey guys, on aggramar mythic
we hero at 38%
is it better to second pot there, or at -30% for wrist?
the best
@shrewd oriole best log i've ever seen was cheap shot in one opener
it was on mistress
fucking most meme thing i've ever seen
nayas cheap shot opener? 🤔
@supple mesa how much do you sim
I honestly have no clue, I dont do that in any other fiht
dead deal 0 dps
its made me htink its a bug with logs

The only time I feint is to stay in melee on the slam xD
Anything else you noticed? Or just the vials/feints?
try this opener, main guitar hero
I hate wcls on mobile
I’m trying to see at what point does the boss enter 30%
For the past 4 minutes
@supple mesa can you tell me at what time does the boss goes sub 30
Cuz I’m almost sure you fucked yo your second vanish
But I actually can’t tell
Im assuming
around 3 minutes
My damage went way up and stayed up around that time period on the chart
Yeah, you vanished properly then
You have 5 casts of defensives, 2 feints 3 vials that’s like a few M damage but nothing too bad
Apart from that you rotation seems p clean
It’s hard to perfectly analyze logs on mobile tbh
Lemme try the ipad
@lethal heart my favorite log is a normal run of dfa sin
Well nevermind I guess
Ty much for you input, just trying to figure out how I could pull such low overall dps with 15% pb , I know one of my biggest outstanding issues is pooling and improper set up for burst windows.
I suppose kill time could play a factor. I noticed alot of the the really high parses on garothi are like 3min kills which would be your dps after 2nd vanish so idk
Kill could be quicker, didnt second pot and a lot of energy spent on vials and feints
change your keybinds
Didnt see anything wrong with rotation tbh
outlaws fun bb
no?
no?
fun=subjective
yes
Sin=boring
got used to it, not gonna change
sub=boring
It's not objectively shit.
^^
Nor is sub.
im not sure
You just don't like them.
DROP THE HEAT JOSE
cool
Do you understand the meaning of "objective" and "subjective"
I'll still call it sin
yes, i do
because I do what I want
as do i 😃
Hey
just trying to be edgy, dont judge me
I'm tox
are we comically banting
been tox for years
you know when "bants" belong
shit ain't gonna change
are we ever doing anything else here?
yeah
general has all those combat and sub plebs
chiming in
on our monocled and privileged assa conversations
asslety
fuck, might as well call it sassy rogue
but i was honestly confused when people started calling the spec sin more and more
combart
sinny
edgebois
guess people dont like ass anymore
ez
so they chose something more sinful than ass instead
I'm getting a mmo mouse tommorow, so that should help with key binds 😃
What kind?
I personally can't stand mmo mice
I dont understand why people need them
and the sensor is complete shit and they're overpriced
If u have one arm for example
meaning I'd have to play with 2 mice so meh
I don't know was just going to browse the store/amazon would love recomendations :)!
Naga is over rated
You think best buy would have one, or just order one off amazon?
prepare to have 2 mice
I play fortnite wow and league 😃
yeah fuck fortnite with an mmo mouse
bestbuy typically carries all 3 mmo mice
atleast in my area.
scimitar-naga-g600
And you are saying g600>?
Ive got this :
I bought a reddragon mouse dirt cheap and loved it.
But I gotta go back and get another one with more buttons.
Done me more than fine so far
See currently I just dont know what else to set my binds to. I use 1 - 4 Shift - 4 SD SF SQ Q E R T and F
the only time I could maybe see myself wanting one- is if I was taking arena seriously and wanted multiple @wanton thundera1 arena 2 arena 3 macros etc
1234 QERT ZXCV
@supple mesa Mouse wheel up, down, MB 3
I play a lot of specs 🙃
w/ shift mods
zxcv seems uncomfortable
f and g and b
Space bar
how is zxcv uncomfy
literally within 1 key press of where you should be resting your hand
X
I have a habbit of constantly presing wad while dpsing LOL
I use too many keyboard binds
I have ZX and V bound
ESC?
LOL
This thing
ESC is next to my 1
Nah
tilde
Yeah thats bound too
^
^^^^^^^^^^^
Its vanish on my rogue
I dont have one of those
And ive got 5 mouse buttons nothing bound after 4 or t
I have 2 little mouse buttons on the let side and a wheel atm
I use those for trinkets
ewww
😦
Ive got those as my artifact ability and interrupt
I'm saying that
I know if I had more mouse buttons
not a TON more, just like 5-6 more
I'd like it better/be more efficient
use it in other games too, probably
Dunno what other game I’d use mice buttons on
cool
I had kick on one of them for a while, but I just got so used to having it on S4 that it felt horribe and I switched it back xD
you can use it on any game that allows free mapping
so it's a matter of would I rather click a button or press a key
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Damn outlaw rogues and their mapping
I was actually thinking of trying outlaw on some fights, I got an insane scourgewing the other day
are you swapping to the add
ohh right derp
aint no good mythicc raider
how do you go about checking how many times PB procced on WCL?
You look at how many times it hit and divide that by 6
@lethal heart bummer. Guess my insig/hands are out
my sin st is near 2.1. so quite a drop.
bleh
no gloomblade though
you use Gloomblade for M+?
Hey Noobe what's with the 9401 ilvl?
i go with 2s+4s and i'd love to play wrists/talent ring
The middle string says shoulders 9401
oh, its a renaming string and string1
but since i have to play prydaz when playing that build for surviving i usually play talent ring so i'm never out of energy for oh shit feint in case i fuck up
Ive been looking for a way to ditch dfa, but keep the combo cleave.
but cant find a mosh thats even close.
dfa footwork is so dodgy for me.
I thought I had lotr that was simming close to standard
I'll mess around later with it
yea lotr is decent if you can go for gloomblade
Oh wait. I still had dfa. Nvm
and 2s/4s with high ilvls or 4st21
I don't think I got too weird with the talents, just Lego and tier swapping
what is the standard gloomblade spec?
3000000?
(Ill do anything to get my aoe up over 10M burst but maintain single over 2m)
besides rerolling dh
311
?
yea
looks fine
pretty much thats standard
Maybe if you had all weak point and the other traits for bs/ss
goonblade standard sub spec confirmed
Or secret alacrity sub spec
my sub has 7/7 weak point and 7/7 energetic stabbing 😮
Why
what channel am i in again
Not sin
0 gutripper sub is basically a national offense
i have a 0 gutripper sub weapon
when i put that in gloomblade it also is my highest simming setup 🤷

Fucking relics, still have a tomb relic plugged into my sub weapon
well since i am an outlaw main i don't play that much sub
gloomblade lotr best
just got some offspec relics no one else wanted/needed
it is similar to bleedy boi spec, need certain setup to viable anyhow
anyone got a nice PB weakaura? without it being part of a full wa collection



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