assassination

[lone junco]

but ganking a player that is working on a big pack, but under 30% and worth 300+ hunter gold.

anyway. I didnt play it, but just horrified about rogue speed vs aff. hunter. ww. dh tank.

[echo estuary]

is this like new ashran?

[lone junco]

3v3

but yeah.

hybrid pve pvp zone.

think tiny av with resources

reward system will determine the value.

[dense blaze]

Deepwind Gorge?

[lone junco]

there are npc mobs to kill like AV. mines, towers, guards, then add mining, and collecting quest loot. and the killing mini bosses.

then players are worth more points the longer they live.

within about 30 sec, i could tell it should be 5v5

[echo estuary]

if you guys remember, that queldalas island in 2008 or something

was a huge success

[lone junco]

i guess. there was a big lul of content before that.

[echo estuary]

makes sense if they try to expand on that

[lone junco]

rogue wise, outlaw looked strong for the expedition due to hook and br. and riposte for big packs. and mark spam.

apparently sap is garbage cause everything is aggrod easily

RIP greed heals from Artifact btw

[stark heart]

Island was pretty small for 5v5 tbh

[cursive root]

why is hero damage not showing 2 MA relics not being a dps increase? bug or is this legit?

[stark heart]

Double negative agent

[steep obsidian]

its still a dps increase to delay cds using 2 ma relics instead of one, hence a dps loss over another relic in that slot

at least the way i understand it

probably over simplifying

going from 1 to 3 is a very big change in playability though which im glad i did much less annoying

[fervent beacon]

Still 2 MAs

[fluid dock]

Help! Stuck at work with nothing to do. Any good assasination twitch streamers or YouTubers anyone can suggest?

[dire spoke]

whew

[spare cloud]

Zempai

@fluid dock

[fluid dock]

Woot you’ve made my shift more bearable ^.^

[verbal egret]

get money yaya
get money yaya
get money yaya
get money yaya
get money yaya

[latent agate]

after your opener when you vanish and envenom do you pool or spam mut and envenom with vendetta

[astral sundial]

you try to keep SoT/envenom as much as possible

[spare cloud]

You pool while getting as many envenoms into vendetta as possible

[latent agate]

cool ty

[lone junco]

@cursive root if you graph vendetta vs vanish timings. 2vend has a pretty long cumulative delay for the 2nd then 3rd vanish. If you play shoulders it's a little behind the other options. But if you want to get 7/7 mass, at one point you'll have to be 6/7.

If you play Bracer boot, vanish alignment is far less impactful.

[dire spoke]

lmao

oh I'm green again

[marble hemlock]

guess you are toxic afterall

😃

[main blaze]

Ive been trying to change to green for awhile

been stuck sub colored, dont know why the bot dislikes me

[dire spoke]

you need to sim 2.5m with sin to be green

[zealous dew]

i'm so freaking bad

[marble hemlock]

yes. why?

[main blaze]

Oh I mean thats easy

[amber sleet]

ez zempai

[zealous dew]

i died on eoa

on crushing

rip me

[marble hemlock]

lul

how

[zealous dew]

i'm bad 😦

[marble hemlock]

no feint, massive overkill?

[zealous dew]

stood into a strike on a shared cd

tonk mad

😦

[fervent beacon]

Git gud

[strange python]

guess you have to uninstall now

[zealous dew]

yeah i'm quitting

[marble hemlock]

can just equip fishing rod and get ishkars from the healer, use feint, and depending on the key-level you dont even proc cheat death! :p

[zealous dew]

yeah i know

depleterino

i feel so bad

[strange python]

does your kingsbane normally line up with your second vanish? mine is always ~15s off

[zealous dew]

i have 0 ma so me waiterino for vendetta

but usually yeah

[strange python]

I guess that is ambiguous, I mean by the time vendetta and vanish are both off cd, kingsbane is not for another 15s

so do I wait for another 15s

or so

[zealous dew]

how many KB stacks do you reach

each application

usually kb cd is 30-32s

[strange python]

Hard to say off the top of my head, despite my weakaura for it

[zealous dew]

that should line up with your vendetta

and vanish

[lone junco]

every other one that is.

[strange python]

On vendetta it's usually over 25 but the average use is probably 18 or so

[lone junco]

@zealous dew I really want to play sub for M+, but my st is like 150k shy sin. ugh

[zealous dew]

try to pool a bit more before kb

[lone junco]

sim alone

[strange python]

might be horribly wrong but sounds right

[zealous dew]

you might want 20-24

noobe i have no gear for sub, like 0 versa items

nor relics

[strange python]

how much average damage should the kb dot be in a normal patchwerk fight?

[zealous dew]

you can sim that yourself

on raidbots

[lone junco]

I have 3gr/3torment / 3 energeticstabbings i think.

got really lucky on accident

[marble hemlock]

sub ST is more consistent though, at least the opener

[lone junco]

im very very good at the first 15 sec.

[marble hemlock]

and having 90sec vanish instead of 2min is pretty nice for most keys because you get a second one in where assa doesnt

[lone junco]

it just drains out from there.

[marble hemlock]

thats normal though

sub struggles with energy once shadowblades runs out

[lone junco]

bursting also makes my healer scream.

[zealous dew]

you need muscle memory

[lone junco]

sub bombs. oy

[marble hemlock]

pun intended?

[lone junco]

no.

[zealous dew]

guy pulled all bandits in eoa

91909090 stacks

[strange python]

I see average tick, but not average cast

in the html

[zealous dew]

instawiperino

sec

[lone junco]

yeah, that happens to me more often than id like.

[marble hemlock]

our tank massgripped way too early yday after pulling all crabs+pirates 😦

[lone junco]

a 15-20M dps opener on trash and insta gib a dps.

[zealous dew]

980k * 7 ticks

on avg

that's my sim

and stats are:

gear_agility=43519

gear_stamina=61802

gear_crit_rating=10013

gear_haste_rating=1455

gear_mastery_rating=16793

gear_versatility_rating=3517

[fervent beacon]

With Alacrity, I usually get about 20-25 stacks on average

[strange python]

974k for me

which is 6.8m

and my log is 6.77m

[zealous dew]

yeah makes sense 😃

[strange python]

but if I'm not getting the most out of kingsbane

then the sim would should it, no

I guess I can literally look at the sim and see how it does the second vanish

[lone junco]

or its not that signficant

[strange python]

So my sim vanishes like normal but then uses kingsbane 6 seconds after the vanish, so right after the shoulder buff ends

I guess what I'm asking is, would it not be better to simply delay vanish for another 6 seconds so I can kingsbane before

[fervent beacon]

Fuck me, another week without Sin of the Past. At least I got midnight coup.

[zealous dew]

prob not worth delaying

really don't know, never had this issue

but again i play with 0 ma

[strange python]

yea it's bizarre

i have 1 ma

[fervent beacon]

The only thing I can think of is that if you're going to delay KB for vanish, you may as well Env > vanish > KB to buff the KB damage or is that basically a dps loss?

assuming you're running NS.

[grand summit]

hmm, can anyone link me a site of good assassination talents and which legendarys and abilities i should use!

[fervent beacon]

@grand summit check the pin

[zealous dew]

vanish kb gives you 3cp

[strange python]

the inital kingsbane hits twice, right? does NS buff both hits?

[grand summit]

Okey, but should i go for bleeds or poisons?

[strange python]

surely NS doesn't buff all of kingsbane

@grand summit most people play poison since it is easier to gear for, easier to play, and is performing a little better than bleed, but both are viable per se

[lone junco]

NS buffs the hand hits only

its pretty shit

[grand summit]

oke thanks @still hawk

[spare cloud]

Poison has higher high

but bleed has higher average

with equal gear

also harder to get bleed gear

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole do you day drink with moms around, or do pretend to be Goodboi Tom?

@grand summit bleed is only good with high T20 (shoulder glove) so if you are just starting, stack mastery/Crit and there are a few poison options

[grand summit]

okey thanks @lone junco

[shut willow]

we need some more FOKing bugs or FOKing buffs XD

[marble hemlock]

[lethal heart]

just let assa have one reliable poison bomb proc in 5 sec opener shoulder buff + 5 sec vanish buff

ez clap then

[scarlet hawk]

What do you guys playing bleed, prefere for 2nd traits?

[lethal heart]

sure you can play around poison bomb with your vanish on big pulls

but if its late stuff might be kited so you dont get full benefit

[scarlet hawk]

Gushing wounds vs alchemist vs balanced blades

[spare cloud]

@lone junco

bleed question

[strange python]

ask the bleed man

[marble hemlock]

lets be real here, even if a bomb procs during vanish, most other classes have reliable aoe that can beat those numbers :x

[lethal heart]

unless you get 2 back to back

probably

and the odds are not good 😄

[marble hemlock]

even then its not that big of a deal

i dont mind having mediocre aoe at best

[strange python]

@lethal heart sin rogue is already doing so well, a guaranteed pb proc or two during opener would mean our averages would go up considerably even more

[marble hemlock]

if we were the singletarget kings we used to be

[lethal heart]

i mean getting pb proc in opener

isnt unheard of

tbh 1 psn bomb proc in opener is kind of standard

[marble hemlock]

but getting destroyed by monk or boomy on st, when they clearly have the upper hand in aoe too, is just demoralizing

[lethal heart]

as you get like what 5-6 finishers?

[marble hemlock]

atleast in m+

[strange python]

no its not

[nova pagoda]

Geting destroyed on st by a boomy?

[strange python]

monk, sure

but boomy?

[lethal heart]

boomy scales good with gear

insanely good

there are very few exceptional boomkins though

frankly

[nova pagoda]

Still not better then a as geared sin rogue though

[marble hemlock]

boomy has pretty decent burst and most m+ fights invole some sort of add or heavy movement, which boomy currently favours thanks to the cloak-spec

[dire spoke]

[nova pagoda]

🤔

[lethal heart]

boomy is best dps spec in game atm probably

mots dps output in overall

[polar light]

Wat

[lone junco]

for M+ specifically?

[strange python]

well, I don't play boomy and my raid doesn't have one, so what can I say

[marble hemlock]

im talking m+ specifically, yes

[lethal heart]

yea in high m+ where stuff doesnt die fast

monk does more st

[lone junco]

I wish outlaw had that 20-40m aoe cleave. but rip

[lethal heart]

but less aoe, unless stuff dies kind of in perfect timing for monk

[marble hemlock]

discussion started about fok/aoe becoming better, and i dont think anyone cares about that in a raid-setting?

[strange python]

I thought monks were the best at everything in m+

[lethal heart]

which is after ~25ish seconds max

[marble hemlock]

they are

monks are just incredibly broken right now

[torn token]

boomys are the best in m+

[lethal heart]

depends how long pulls are, but if stuff dies too long

[marble hemlock]

but boomy is a close second, when played and geared right

[lethal heart]

then boomy skyrockets

[torn token]

range + crazy aoe + good ST + bear form

[lethal heart]

but if boomie is doing 10% more overall damage than rest of the grp

its indicator that stuff lives too long

[marble hemlock]

yup, its the survivability that pushes boomy to the top on high keys

[lethal heart]

or it's mos LUL

[scarlet hawk]

@lone junco What do you playing bleed, prefere for 2nd traits.
Gushing vs alchemist vs balanced blades?

[lone junco]

I stack Crit mastery. and 3Vendetta with a blend of Malch or bb.

we still get a lot of value from DP and env uptime. I also have very little Crit/vers gear that is the right ballpark.

[stark tinsel]

If you're at 5 cp's when TB pops, do you use it anyway before the envenom or wait?

[honest pelican]

boosted to 110, still trying to get the hang of assasination im sure ill get it eventually. but i see so much blood v poison. still reading pins etc

[lone junco]

@honest pelican if you just started, play the poison build MP/Vig/Tb.

bleed is niche, and not easy to get started.

[honest pelican]

ah ok, i was checking off icy veins i should perob follow the guide i find here then

not used to garrote opener stuff, or even using it out of stealth..been since early wotlk

[astral sundial]

@stark tinsel use it anyway, but it can be avoided it planned correctly

[lone junco]

one option is a Rupture refresh, then Mut TB env

[knotty sinew]

just used my 110 boost on a rogue and is there alot of waiting on energy? i have 25% crit, 13% haste and 100% mast

[lone junco]

TB is only 9 sec, so if your Rupture is shorter than that, a refresh is warranted.

[dire spoke]

I shall send y'all greetings from iWin, you can suck monkey balls

[zealous dew]

tb is 9s

[lone junco]

@knotty sinew 4p21

[stark tinsel]

k ta

[honest pelican]

is there a working weakaura link? the one in pins either doesnt work or somethiong

[keen inlet]

@dire spoke

[echo estuary]

"you think you do, but you dont"

[honest pelican]

so looking back at going poison, it would be something like 1/1//3/1/1/1 ?

[dire spoke]

check out the guide and herodamage in Pins

[zealous dew]

yup

[dire spoke]

sim yourself

ask in detail questions

try another browser if links dead

use TB on cooldown

[lone junco]

must refrain from spooning.

[honest pelican]

link works, the weakaura one doesnt

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/funny-gif-tinder-kUo4mBl85jDos

[keen inlet]

SOMEBODY TOUCHA MY SPAGHETT

[dire spoke]

you can take your spaghett comments to #off-topic

we're helping here, ty

[echo estuary]

since when

[lone junco]

for the record I tried a Hemo build with high crit and fishing for bota.

[echo estuary]

also welcome back zempai

[lone junco]

I could maintain 100% bota for like 20sec. then rip dps

[dire spoke]

How do you feel after banning me for a day @echo estuary

[echo estuary]

the prodigal son returns

i believe there is a frog emote you kids use these days to emphasize this feeling visually

[dire spoke]

[echo estuary]

yes but the frog not afflicted by an acute hematoma

[prime void]

Zempais hands are shit.

[strange python]

@knotty sinew For assassination, without tier 21 4 piece, there will be lot of "waiting" on energy.

[keen inlet]

it's this one

[knotty sinew]

@strange python will i be better of playing sub or outlaw untill i get it?

[lone junco]

@prime void I thought you took a vaca

[prime void]

No wow in 7 days woohoo

I just missed memeing zemp

[dire spoke]

@prime void you said bye to RH and didn't even mention me

[prime void]

YO IT WOULDNT LET ME TAG

[lone junco]

@knotty sinew sin is easiest, and will prob perform better in early ST. but you can sim your gear sets

[strange python]

@knotty sinew without any legendaries or tier pieces, assassination will still probably perform the best, but it may feel clunky (as much as I hate that word)

[knotty sinew]

ok thanks

[gilded lark]

you need this emote don

[keen inlet]

my fav

[gilded lark]

Holy FUCK i didnt miss going to work this early

When am i getting shadowblade so i can change my name to modsides

[vernal adder]

no

[strange python]

lel

[gilded lark]

Tbf it would keep me from attacking people. However, that wouldn't be any fun

[sterile ocean]

do we still use vanish with envenom or they change it?

[dire spoke]

You can read the guide @sterile ocean 😄

and do what your gear wants you to do

[honest pelican]

all these weakauras require other stuff for icons to load properly, never had that issue, even installing the required stuff doesnt want to work, ugh

[strange python]

hmm...?

custom textures for icons?

[sterile ocean]

i already know my rotation i ment with vanish cause before it was envenom and vanish i dident know if they changed it

[gilded lark]

Yeah, the guide covers that.

[lone junco]

it is either vanish env, vanish rupture, or vanish garrote depending on gear and talents.

[gilded lark]

Are you still using shoulders?

[sterile ocean]

i have the sholders

[dire spoke]

since you didn't read the guide

just do it

[gilded lark]

Sure you have them, but are you using them

[sterile ocean]

yes

😛

[gilded lark]

Then envenom to your hearts content

But srsly that shit is covered in the guide

[honest pelican]

sorry can someone link me a working weakauras or something? even the ones on wago are just weird, broken icons or loading separately so i cant move anything without touching 50+ auras to move

[dire spoke]

check out wago.io

[gilded lark]

Is your version of weakauras up to date

[keen inlet]

WHOMST THE F.O.K. ASKETH QUESTIONS COVERED ON THE HOLYE GUIIDEE

[gilded lark]

Are you using elvui

Does zempai read the questions

All important issues

[keen inlet]

Verily thy shalt be banned withe extreme prejudice

[gilded lark]

[dire spoke]

there wasn't any questionmark on the last part

[gilded lark]

[lone junco]

[keen inlet]

what if I did ban anybody who asked questions on the guide

There'd basically be the same 14 people here

AMR's Prophecy

fulfilled

[zealous dew]

do i TB on cd?

[turbid harbor]

not much would change then

[strange python]

do i cd on tb

[gilded lark]

Connor would have been beaned

[strange python]

bean me

[dire spoke]

unbeanable

[gilded lark]

fav new thinking emoji

[zealous dew]

babe me

[chrome spoke]

really weird bug with poison bomb, didnt proc for the whole start of antorus until I swapped specs and back to assass again (poisons were on)

[keen inlet]

@gilded lark man that's a terrible name for it tho

[gilded lark]

Define "start of antorus"

[keen inlet]

:GWqlabsGarThink: like what even

[chrome spoke]

first trash pull until hounds

[gilded lark]

Yeah it's a global

It has gw shit infront of it

[dire spoke]

lmao

[strange python]

probably just unlucky man.

[gilded lark]

No pb even on garothi

?

[chrome spoke]

79 finishers

not one on garothi

[gilded lark]

Were you in sub spec

[keen inlet]

[strange python]

Though I would love for there to actually be a pb bug so I can have an excuse as to why they don't proc

[dire spoke]

You can do decent without proc, sorry

[gilded lark]

But tbf could have just been really unlucker

Have gone full boss pulls without procs. Tho it's rare

[strange python]

B-but how else will I push the blame on my bad parses

[gilded lark]

Own up to it

"Sry guys didnt get 16% pb so green parse"

[chrome spoke]

just seemed weird, first time i've noticed so long without a proc

might make a WA "time since last proc" to depress myself

😛

[strange python]

make it do a /say for every finisher that doesn't proc it

[gilded lark]

/yell FUCK

[strange python]

79 finishers is pretty damn unlucky tho

[gilded lark]

Good way to get a chat bab

Ban

[strange python]

Means you're about to get the best procs of your life on dogs

[honest pelican]

ok think i got the rotation down so-so for poison spec

not too hard

[gilded lark]

6 consecutive procs on opener while dogs are stacked

[dire spoke]

then tanks die due to stacking to long

[gilded lark]

@honest pelican

[dire spoke]

@honest pelican

[gilded lark]

The text on mine says "That's where you're wrong, kiddo"

Zempai being the nice lad

[honest pelican]

what, ive been a assasination rogue for a whole 15 minutes

you dont think i got it?

[dire spoke]

inb4 what is pandemic

[strange python]

just click on their head

[honest pelican]

whats garrote do

[gilded lark]

[honest pelican]

wheres blade flurry

no but really, this spec looks fun

[gilded lark]

That wears off

[strange python]

have you discovered you can garrote out of steath

[zealous dew]

🇬🇼

[honest pelican]

yes! i didnt even notice that til before i boosted the toon

[strange python]

ok

[echo estuary]

wait that flag looks familiar

guinea bissau?

[vernal adder]

hey guys how I swim in wow, I mean sim

[gilded lark]

How many cp do i shadow dance on

[vernal adder]

6

[strange python]

you'd be surprised at the people I've seen pushing end game and not knowing that

[echo estuary]

i shadow dance at 1 cp is that bad?

[gilded lark]

How many times do we have to tell you

[honest pelican]

people have been getting carried in end game content since the beginning, itll always happen, especially when your guild leader cant say no to 40+ yo women and tries to invite every single one

[gilded lark]

Lfr isnt pushing end game

[honest pelican]

thaddius is naxx back in the day was a easy judge of who was bad, just judging who couldnt 'jump' over the pad before the fight started

maiden was a good recent one

[gilded lark]

Yeah the person doing callouts for raid in my guild is a mage doing 800k. Happens.

960 btw

[strange python]

one of my guildies used to play in a guild where they would log in on raid time, and do lfr, and that was their raid. Or, they would do heroic of the previous tier

[honest pelican]

i main a heal monk, and i get this tank trying to tell me how to heal him all the time which is great

[steep obsidian]

garotte out of stealth is something new to this expac It would be an understandable mistake for someone returning to make tbh

but if they been playin this expac for ages they just dont care

[echo estuary]

garrote out of stealth a new thing? wat

[gilded lark]

Had a rogue telling me he wasn't making mistakes while doing half their sim dps in an old guild

[dire spoke]

🥕

[gilded lark]

It is perel yeah

[strange python]

That's a good point I guess, I started playing this xpac so I wouldn't know

[gilded lark]

Longest time garr was stealth only

[strange python]

zempai again here

[steep obsidian]

no one can say that like

[echo estuary]

subterfuge? hello

[steep obsidian]

has anyone ever played perfectly for a while fight?

like nothing they could have done better?

[vernal adder]

yea Nelbur

he is perfect

[turbid harbor]

I had a rogue flame me for telling him he could garrote out of stealth in a m+ run on my alt

[keen inlet]

Nelbur is gone

[steep obsidian]

lol

[turbid harbor]

For like 5 mins

[keen inlet]

let us not speak of him

'er again

[turbid harbor]

Then he tried it and became quiet

[steep obsidian]

yeah i dont give tips or helps to random

[lone junco]

some of the top 10 Sub logs for Tomb first boss were pretty perfect.

[steep obsidian]

it not worth it

[echo estuary]

what happened to this mythical figure Nelbur

[gilded lark]

We know

[strange python]

He ded

[gilded lark]

Giving tips in pugs is a fucking gamble

[keen inlet]

He got tox and muted, got angry and left, came back, and proceeded to get omegatox and shit all over RH

[strange python]

I wouldn't give tips to someone not asking for them

[lone junco]

I would.

[gilded lark]

25% they listen, 25% they're BR and dont speak engrish, 50% they flame you even if its your main spec

[keen inlet]

Because he was apparently, despite being 2smart4wow, incapable of putting together cause-and-effect

👍

[turbid harbor]

He was doing 200k dps in night hold

[vernal adder]

Like him getting kicked from guilds?

[gilded lark]

I give tips because like.. stop fucking making this run take longer

[turbid harbor]

In upper kara

[echo estuary]

causality can be tough

[turbid harbor]

So I looked at his casts

[keen inlet]

@gilded lark I try too but that's pretty much the exact breakdown

[strange python]

If they seem like a friendly personality then maybe

[keen inlet]

it's even worse when I decide to tell tanks how to tank a fight

"UR NOT TANK STFU"

[turbid harbor]

1 garrote per fight

[keen inlet]

Yeah well you aren't either buddy

[gilded lark]

I fixed that problem for myself

Blood dk main

[keen inlet]

become the tank

[strange python]

rogue tank

[steep obsidian]

most peopel in lfr the best tip you could give is, fucking actually press your buttons

[keen inlet]

"I am the tank. It is me."

[vernal adder]

its a me tankario¨

[echo estuary]

you pull you tank bro

[steep obsidian]

i sometimes put a caster on focus to see what they do and you can see they trying but use like 1 gcd in 3 :\

[gilded lark]

Then i get told how to tank 😂

[strange python]

most people in lfr are boosted and they could press all their buttons and only do 300k dps

[steep obsidian]

thinkin about the next key button to press for a few secs

[keen inlet]

I would really like

[steep obsidian]

get a mechanic stop doing anything for 10+ sec

[keen inlet]

for proving grounds silver to be the LFR requirement again

[gilded lark]

25% of the time good tips. 75% of the time they're salty because they died standing infront of the boss or in mechanics

[vernal adder]

HEALS?!

[keen inlet]

but it's difficult to tune it appropriately

[echo estuary]

you want me excluded from the LFR? 😦

[vernal adder]

yes

[gilded lark]

which diff positioning wouldnt have fixed

[keen inlet]

They never really got proving grounds right the first time

was a great idea tho

"how can we teach ppl to actually play their class"

[steep obsidian]

i kinda found proving grounds hard on my warrior tank :\

[honest pelican]

ok now to the insanely hard part, obtaining the kingsbanes!

[steep obsidian]

it was easy as shit on every dps i tried it on

[keen inlet]

The other near-miss was the class trial concept with TOS.

It was a good idea, but too limited

roll a mage
forced to play frost
???
proceeds to walk you through playing frost....but without the important procs and traits from your relic

Me: 🙄 so close, blizz

[strange python]

Completing the Mage Tower challenge is now a requirement for entering LFR

[steep obsidian]

lol

[vernal adder]

oh boy

[echo estuary]

Now, i may be on my second white russian but its clear how this casual catering is screwing up the game, i hope you see it mister Don

[vernal adder]

I would love to see the forums

and troll them

[gilded lark]

That would be great

[keen inlet]

I would love them to revamp class trials

put a shiny mount at the end of it

so ppl do it

require it for lfr

great start.

[lone junco]

maybe with current tier lfr. else it would be rough to get the gear to catch up to 920 range.

[gilded lark]

M+

[lone junco]

need gear to do mage tower. boost would still be rough.

[dire spoke]

schnitzels

[strange python]

No man LFR nythendra is serious business

[vernal adder]

I member Durumu lfr

[keen inlet]

Durumu LFR

was the worst

because you could kill him with 2 people

[gilded lark]

Elegon lfr was bis

[keen inlet]

and invariably one tank would always survive

now see, elegon lfr was funny

I'd cry laughing

[gilded lark]

The fucking hole in the floor

Ong

Omg*

[keen inlet]

but durumu was just bad

[vernal adder]

what other lfr fights were kinda scuffed?

[strange python]

I would have loved to have been playing when ToT was current, seemed like such a good raid

[vernal adder]

it was

[keen inlet]

It was but

too much sewer sneaking yet again

[gaunt moat]

i hated the boss with the blood-robots :S

[gilded lark]

Current tier lfr kj

[gaunt moat]

was so figety

[keen inlet]

Not to toot the Ulduar horn but

[vernal adder]

I like titan stuff

[keen inlet]

thank god we get raids where we get to kick the front door down

[strange python]

I did the Durumu achievement and he could still kill you quickly since the overlapping floor shit hurts so bad even at max level

[gilded lark]

Animus or whatever notter

[keen inlet]

Blood Animus

[gilded lark]

Or am i way off

Yeah

[keen inlet]

What was the gollum lizard thing

that was a silly fight but god-tier lore

"the original saurok"

[vernal adder]

uuuh

[gilded lark]

The galakrond fight could go either way if your group was idiots

[keen inlet]

yeah once you got out of the sewers tot was good. I liked the troll fights too tbh

[gilded lark]

But it wasnt exactly "scuffed"

[keen inlet]

council was a little meh

Horridon fight was awesome

loved it

[vernal adder]

aye¨

[gaunt moat]

yeah the animus

[keen inlet]

D'KALA D'CHUKKA HORRIDON
KALAMASTE~

[echo estuary]

bring back mop

[vernal adder]

eeh

[keen inlet]

first raid was a bit meme

tot was solid

[gilded lark]

They just need to bring out classic

[gaunt moat]

yeah horridon was really good imo.
i played WW, and i actually had to install a healing addon to help with dispells XD
that was a first for me, heh

[keen inlet]

SOO was....ehhhhhhhh

[gilded lark]

And patch it in real time like the current version

Just start over

[keen inlet]

I liked about half of Heart of Fear

the other half was eye rollerino

Garalon pugs

[vernal adder]

oof

[keen inlet]

[marble hemlock]

what do you mean first raid mop was a meme?

[keen inlet]

Did I stutter 😛

[marble hemlock]

heart of fear was solid

[keen inlet]

that wasn't first raid

I can't think of the name

[marble hemlock]

i mean

mogushan vaults

[vernal adder]

mogu

[keen inlet]

Chamber of Secrets or w/e

[marble hemlock]

was the first one that opened, yes

[keen inlet]

Mogu vaults yea

that is literally the first raid of MoP

[marble hemlock]

even then, garajal, spiritkings and will were pretty great

[keen inlet]

Don't even

[marble hemlock]

elegon too

[echo estuary]

#bringbackmopboys

[marble hemlock]

and i had to play my mage-alt for will 😦

[keen inlet]

Elegon was interesting. Spirit Kings was fun. Rest was bleh

[strange python]

"_______ spec was better in mop"

[keen inlet]

imo

Twin Emps was omegableh

[marble hemlock]

was fun as a melee

[honest pelican]

i quit the day mop came out, so i had a lot of catch up in mount wise, and learning old dungeons

[marble hemlock]

not so fun as a ring of frost slave

[gilded lark]

Elegon was absolutely best lfr fight

[keen inlet]

I died laughing

ever time

every*

[gilded lark]

Rest were meh in comparison

[keen inlet]

like leading up to it

[honest pelican]

aww neat, i have full valorous bonescythe set for xmog, forgot about that. wish my dh and monk could use it

[keen inlet]

people dying

and then dying during

[gilded lark]

I would fall in purposely

[marble hemlock]

and while mogu came out first

[gilded lark]

And start spamming chat

[marble hemlock]

it was what, 2 weeks until heart of fear, and another 2 weeks until terrace?

[vernal adder]

WTF?!

I DIED

[gilded lark]

"There's kool-raid down here guys"

[strange python]

F

[echo estuary]

the last time i had SOMEWHAT fun was in wod, i haven't had a moment in leg where i thought hey, this is cool/fun/enthralling

[marble hemlock]

helya was fun

[echo estuary]

yeah i dont raid

[marble hemlock]

hm okay

was there even all that much non-raid non-worldquest content?

[gilded lark]

What

[strange python]

I started playing in nighthold, I thought that raid was amazing

[gilded lark]

At least do lfr aggy as tank

[strange python]

amazing except for mythic star augur

[gilded lark]

You can bounce the entire raid off the platform

[strange python]

he can fuck off

[vernal adder]

guild killer augur

[gilded lark]

THE STARS ALIGN, FEAR THEIR PORTENTS!

[honest pelican]

once i get my artifact weapon, im gonna b king of the jungle dawg

[strange python]

aesthetically and gameplay wise, that raid was great, though since it was my first I had no expectations and nothing to compare it too

[keen inlet]

augur one of my fav fights

kinda snoozefest tho

just cool to see the spooky planets

[vernal adder]

the scenery is good

[gilded lark]

Progging trilliax when he was bugged

[strange python]

I don't miss agonizing poison though

[gilded lark]

Fight going fine

Suddenly spins 100mph

Wipe

[vernal adder]

instagib beam

[strange python]

I thought the bug was the beam was invisible

[gilded lark]

Or when he wouldn't spin for a sec

So the animation was lagged behind the actual beam

Wipe

[strange python]

Watch unacknowledged on netflix guys

Elisande had it too, invisible rings

[gilded lark]

Dhs flying off the bridge on krosus

[echo estuary]

we dont like netflix in russia

[strange python]

@lone junco my last post

[gilded lark]

Well back to work in the tar pits

[vernal adder]

have fun

[echo estuary]

"we are not alone", well no shit

[vernal adder]

there

[honest pelican]

change tab from damage done

[vernal adder]

that place you know?

[lost horizon]

Done by source

[honest pelican]

go over to the specific healers

[vernal adder]

np I helped the most

[honest pelican]

wow wtf, boost messed all my keybinds and buttons up

great

[lone junco]

@honest pelican bartender profiles are pretty nice.

[marble hemlock]

found it yet?

realized how shit your healers are?

i always get sad

when is see how much directhealing i actually got

nice

[honest pelican]

im requesting up to 10 rogues to queue LFR and another 5 to run normal for maximum tier/titanforging

thanks in advance

(to pass to me, obv

[echo estuary]

back when i led pugs in wotlk i specifically excluded rogues from entering my vault of archavon pugs :>

full on rogues m8 being me, and then theres like 5 of each other class xd

also master loot at the last moment and sell gear to highest bidder. Good times indeed

[honest pelican]

lol

tricky tricky, ive seen it done tho

[echo estuary]

trade chat used to go wild

[lone junco]

@honest pelican we are going to run prob 8-10 leather in our main runs for bfa.

LOL

``Q&A

Q: Rhyno, why do they keep moving our talents around without changing anything?
A: Blizz is trying to move all of the passive abilities into the leftmost column of the talent sheet, because they supposedly have data that says that people that have no idea what they are doing just pick all of the passive talents or all talents in the lefthand column.(edited)``

[civic palm]

Yep, the powerful, 111111111111 spec.

We had that for a while > _>

[lone junco]

nb

[shrewd notch]

i definitely do that for pvp talents on alts

haha

[civic palm]

mmmmmmmmBingo

[keen inlet]

lol

mfw all the good talents are passive

as we know that will happen

💯

[civic palm]

Yeah compared to, EP - SUB - DS - CD - TB (fuck) - CT (fuck)

ooo Hidden Blades is passive > _>"

[lone junco]

not horrible tbh.

[civic palm]

Almost AS IF... designed that way.

I mean... most of the time the idea is that you don't have bad talents to begin with.

But still.

[lone junco]

we have a few builds that could get a 15% loss if you tried.

on live.

[vapid moth]

Any I'd you care to join my circle?

[dire spoke]

any I'd you

[lone junco]

this is neat.

[vapid moth]

Yeah I like what they added to havoc

100 talent row should be moved too 105 and there should be a 120 talent row are we not gonna talk about that

[calm grail]

Immolation aura was one of those things I surprised wasn't there baseline

I figured in Warcraft 3 Illidan had that, so it would make it over

[lone junco]

momentum vs demonic is intersting. But I dont have enough /played on DH to know what will hap

[vapid moth]

What is momentums new description

[nimble tartan]

dude havoc is gonna feel so cool

i alwasy thought immolation aura was the coolest thing fr vengeance

and it makes a lot of sense for havo

c

[lone junco]

ewww. Veng retreat generates 100 fury if it hits 1 target

gdi thats strong

+15% for 6 sec for rush

[vapid moth]

Did they nerf nemesis as well?

[lone junco]

http://bfa.wowhead.com/talent-calc/demon-hunter/havoc/c00M

[vapid moth]

Ty

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan first thing I did with Veng was go in Mythic 0 violet hold then solo it.

the heal, the leap. the aoe. all really nice

[vapid moth]

If retreat gave momentum you could have 100% momentum uptime

[nimble tartan]

man the 106 tier seems good

cycle of hatred seems really good

[vapid moth]

So it makes sense to not let it do that

[nimble tartan]

but dark slash also seems really good

40% is a shit load

[vapid moth]

Felblade generates fury. That's scary

[lone junco]

yeah COH is shoulder equiv

[vapid moth]

It did?

Huh

As an excuse I'll say I didn't play fury till december

When felblade became irrelevant

[lone junco]

Fel mastery increases rush dmg by 100%. thats interesting.

All i care about for dh is M+ cleave tbh. I hope it stays strong.

[nimble tartan]

i think theblade dance talent will eb the best on that tier

for high mythic +

its really cool i like that talent

[vapid moth]

Lol the unleashed power description. "20000/600"

[nimble tartan]

this is the build for raiding trust me https://puu.sh/zUUEu/12d9e16ba7.png

[civic palm]

Disregard level 108.

It's been exiled.

Master of the Glaive not giving stacks is annoying.

But without the bracers that's whatever.

and Bloodlet being removed.

Feels like a really bad talent for being so low in the tree though.

[nimble tartan]

its about getting to max fury putting dark slash up

then dumping

vengeful retreat out fel rush in dark slash pump

[civic palm]

Right but there being a SNARE/CC talent that low feels fucking bad.

MAx indeed... URL... indeed.

[vapid moth]

The felblade demon blades talent tree still remains.

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[nimble tartan]

trust me trust meee

[vapid moth]

Yeah I'm not feeling it. Not gonna use blade dance without the resource reductions

[nimble tartan]

the other talents are traaash

[vapid moth]

But you're already constantly using del rush

With momentum

[nimble tartan]

ye but its trash!!!

[civic palm]

It's a DoT deals almost the same amount of Damage over 4 seconds as the initial skill does, without First Blood anyway.

[vapid moth]

Still better for aoe that talent is

[civic palm]

Has something like a 45% uptime.

[nimble tartan]

thats good

free damage

I LIKE IT

imo u cant affor to take first blood with those other talents

its like the worst one

[civic palm]

Fel Mastery makes Fel Rush deal ~baseline Blade Dance damage.

[vapid moth]

That talent also takes away from demonic appetite

[civic palm]

30.1% AP

[nimble tartan]

ye thats why dark slash op

im telling u momentum dark slash pump meta

[civic palm]

Cycle of Hatred is noob bait for sure.

[jovial kite]

top class discussion

[nimble tartan]

this guy doesnt want 55% chaos strike damage LUL

[civic palm]

Problem is that Nemesis is still +25% damage for 60 seconds.

Can't rely on crit returns.

[nimble tartan]

ye thats why im pumpin up my chaos strike with that sweet fury regen from #momentum

[civic palm]

First Blood is more-than-likely better as the damage does not rely on Crit streaks.

Dark Slash has to be balanced around high crit streaks otherwise it would be broken when you do have 50% crit.

Making it underwhelming outside of where it's intended to be.

THAT IS... if Blizzard did literally any math in regards to this.

[nimble tartan]

this is why its a pool dump gameplay with dark slash

to make it HOT

[civic palm]

That's nice and all.

But the talent still has to not be broken at higher critical strike chance levels.

[nimble tartan]

pool to like 60 energy vengeful fel rush in dark slash then press ur button as fast as u can WOO

[civic palm]

So whether you wanna pump or not, the talent needs to be designed with the requirement that Critical Strike Chance supports it.

With low crit you are going to get 3 fucking Chaos Strikes and then die in a corner because everything else you have does shit damage.

You might get 5...

[wise frigate]

Damn, DH Discord got me good, making it look like the rogue Discord nearly exactly.

[civic palm]

Then Critical Strike Chance isn't exciting.

and that's the entire point of DH.

[vapid moth]

The heart could possibly do that

[nimble tartan]

everyone knows dh is the best rogue spec

[civic palm]

I also think that Blizzard and the players like the critical strike gambling aspect of Havoc.

So I doubt that they will remove it.

[vapid moth]

I do like the crit gambling

[strange python]

argus ring maxlvl yeah y.y

wanna criiit

[civic palm]

Hitting those streaks feels good, and when you don't, eh whatever doesn't feel that bad really.

[wise frigate]

I read that as "hitting those steaks" and wondered when we transitioned to boxing.

[civic palm]

#boxing it is.

Problem being...

once you hit enough Critical Strike Chance, I can see Cycle of Hatred beating Dark Slash.

[vapid moth]

There is no good eye beam build now though

[civic palm]

Correct.

Cycle of Hatred + Demonic thou > _>

[vapid moth]

They coulda taken out del barrage and put in the reset mechanism there

[civic palm]

Yeah, that tier doesn't feel good.

Trail without First Blood ehhhhhhhh

Fel Mastery is ... weak.

[vapid moth]

Should be 150%

[civic palm]

Even then it would be like, 48% AP

[vapid moth]

Who knows though. The Heart is supposed to modify little stuff like fel rush

[nimble tartan]

rented power the worst thing in wow

[civic palm]

and Blade Dance is 40% already.

[nimble tartan]

just put everything in my talents 😡

[vapid moth]

Rented power?

[nimble tartan]

ye like artifatcs in legion

[vapid moth]

Ah

[nimble tartan]

and the new artifact in bfa

[civic palm]

BfA artifact is much more flexible.

and importantly, doesn't fucking destroy your previous choices.

[lone junco]

Can you respec the neck artifact as needed. Or is it stuck like live relics.

[civic palm]

Upgrades are on items.

helm, shoulder, cloak, chest or whatever.

[vapid moth]

It'll be interesting to say the least

[zealous dew]

i want alpha

[vapid moth]

I just wish they'd make m+ pairs more viable

[zealous dew]

so bored of live

[civic palm]

I want Beta > _>

[vapid moth]

Raid should give it's own gear and m+ should give another kind

[civic palm]

Considering you want item levels and the AA upgrades you want, might be able to get away from more M+ than before.

[vapid moth]

How nice would it have been if instead of fishing tomb for the shoulders and glove you could get m+ shoulder and glove pair that had a nice trait

[civic palm]

That's what they are doing > _>

[vapid moth]

I was typing and wanted to finish 🤷🏾‍♂️

[civic palm]

Unless there are items that drop from raids that have unique AA bonuses.

Just making sure yaknow.

[vapid moth]

Yeah

[honest pelican]

ahh so boring, just 2 ilvl shy of 890 to queue lfr, got 2hrs before i can leech normal/heroics, must get gear

shame mage tower jsut went down

[shrewd oriole]

@lone junco nah dude my mom drinks alongside me

[lone junco]

🍹

[shrewd oriole]

Plus

It’s free so

Passion fruit juice and vodka 👌

[honest pelican]

so just so i got this guide right, i always want to use kings bane after an envenom, am i losing out a ton if i dont 100% do that?

[civic palm]

hmmmmmmm

[strange python]

you want to have the envenom buff up during kingsbane

[civic palm]

Yeah for the entire duration of Kingsbane.

[honest pelican]

ok

[strange python]

I think I know what you're asking, and I don't know the answer

If you kingsbane and it procs deadly poison on the initial hit, does that count towards the kingsbane stack

[civic palm]

So;

During Kingsbane you want Envenom up as much as possible for those Deadly Poison procs.

So either use Kingsbane right after Envenom, or use Envenom right after Kingsbane.

[honest pelican]

is it common to still like, pool energy at certain times?

[lone junco]

one of the method guys is trolling me

[civic palm]

Yes.

[honest pelican]

like if i have max CP ready to envenom, let energy go up 60-70+ then blow envenom -> mutilate etc

[strange python]

noobe

[civic palm]

One of the easiest ways to make sure you have the energy needed to keep ENV. up is making sure you have the energy for it.

[strange python]

If the inital kingsbane hit procs deadly poison, does that count towards the kingsbane stacks

[honest pelican]

ive got some weakauras i added myself, but i need to just install a decent one that tracks it all better

[lone junco]

@strange python dunno. and honestly i dont know whether the kb can actually apply itself.

[civic palm]

Yeah the game is vague with it's use of the term "strike" in the DP tooltip.

[honest pelican]

guide says use toxic blade the last 8 seconds of kingsbane, wouldnt toxic blade be better to use ahead of kingsbane or does it not interact or get the bonus poison damage

[civic palm]

Depends on when things line up.

You need to be specific to a point in the guide otherwise people will just hold Toxic Blade for fucking ever.

and wonder where their damage went.

[honest pelican]

alright

ill work with it my own a bit more til i grasp this spec better

[strange python]

shouldn't it be 9 seconds

[honest pelican]

im doing lik 600k dps

[civic palm]

Lag can make you lose a second sometimes.

8 is very safe.

[warm parcel]

kb ticks every 2 sec

[strange python]

does the final kb tick at the very end

[warm parcel]

and those ticks happen at 10 and 8

[strange python]

oh gotcha

[marble hemlock]

hm

[daring gazelle]

can someone tell me the rules for relics as sin

[marble hemlock]

is it possible, on elisande, to get so much cooldown reduction and resets that your KB comes off cd before the first application runs out?

[honest pelican]

simming 677k so i guess if i can pull 450-550k on boss that isnt far off. just having a hella time managing rotation not used to it

[strange python]

probably not seliathan

cd is usually 30 seconds or so

@daring gazelle what do you mean

[marble hemlock]

for poison build

malch > mass > bb

[strange python]

but if you have shoulders you do not want two master assassin, you either want one or three

[marble hemlock]

general guideline, your mileage may vary depending on legendaries/gear

[warm parcel]

doubt that

but kb doesnt stack like that anyway

[marble hemlock]

i think debuffs run out 30% faster on elisande/CA anyway, so even if you lower the cooldown further, its also going to run out faster

i actually forgot how those mechanics work because its been so long since ive last killed them 😦

[strange python]

maybe if the internal cd on the cooldown reduction was removed

it has a 0.5s internal cd

[marble hemlock]

yeah

was fun on ptr though

[strange python]

so getting two dp procs at the same time only counts as 1

[marble hemlock]

before they introduced the icd

kingsbane, fok into a pack 2-3 times, new kingsbane 😃

but i think weak is right anyway, applying another kingsbane over a previous one would most likely just reset the stacks

[warm parcel]

no

stacks are a hidden aura on you

thats just a multiplier

the dot itself doesnt change at all

[marble hemlock]

hm okay

never noticed that

[civic palm]

Hmmmmmmmmm -

[marble hemlock]

whats that green bar?

[civic palm]

wtf... do you... think?

[marble hemlock]

says "100"

cant be energy

and its not yellow

so cant be energy

🤔

[civic palm]

So lemme help you a little...

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[marble hemlock]

yikes

who has their health bar

there?

[civic palm]

Whoever wants to.

[lean hill]

Where else would it be?

[marble hemlock]

top left, where it belongs 😛

[lean hill]

I think most people don't look up in the corners. Tuck all you need to see in a small area

[zealous dew]

on healers' raid frame

[strange python]

it's a preference 🙃

[marble hemlock]

obviously is, yes

[civic palm]

I don't really track my health.

[marble hemlock]

ive just gotten so used to seeing my own health in the raid-frames

[civic palm]

Just used to seeing it where it is.

Yeah.

I am THE yellow bar.

THE Rogue in the raid.

[marble hemlock]

that i dont really care about my playerframe or a healthbar

only reason to not have health in the topleft where its not in the way, is because ive been wanting to try out the gw2 interface addon for wow :/

[civic palm]

Sure.

[lean hill]

I keep the HP bar with my energy and wa's otherwise I tend to not pay attention and die

[civic palm]

https://gfycat.com/FineImpassionedEft Needs DoT trackers.

[strange python]

I thought mizuxe was the only crazy one who uses numbers for cp

[civic palm]

I probably put him onto it.

[marble hemlock]

that empty space to the right after the cooldown icons is triggering me

[civic palm]

Yeah I can just fill that with other shit.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zealous dew]

those numbers rolling are triggering me

[civic palm]

Cloak and Feint and shit.

You want an actual asymmetry nightmare -

KB is tracked to the left of ENV

[marble hemlock]

may also want to align cooldowns based on their cooldown-duration

i.e. shortest cd on the left, longest on the right?

[civic palm]

Nah those CDs are how I likem.

[warm parcel]

I mean all of that is just pure heresy

Lets be real

[honest pelican]

this is my awesome weakauras, that i need to redo

[marble hemlock]

just thinking out loud

looks good

[honest pelican]

i cant tell shit from shit

[marble hemlock]

way cleaner than mine, which is pretty barebones

[civic palm]

I only post my nightmare experiments here for people to comment on them.

Can check my history for the crazy shit I did last night.

[marble hemlock]

wow related or non-wow related crazy shit?

[civic palm]

Weakauras stuff.

That is very hacky.

[honest pelican]

2ilvls still to queue lfr antorus, think im just gonna buy some 960 shoulders or something to queue me up if i cant get some 15 carries

[civic palm]

example : https://gfycat.com/AgitatedColdHornedviper

[marble hemlock]

jesus

[civic palm]

I was annoyed that you couldn't do angles correctly in WA.

So I fucking did it anyway.

[marble hemlock]

thats actually pretty cool

[silent axle]

ew

[solar willow]

I can't see how that would help me at all

[civic palm]

Not meant to.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar willow]

But ye its cool

[civic palm]

I think I spent 2 hours last night just doing experimental stuff.

That kinda angle requires symmetrical stacked squares.

[solar willow]

What combat scrolling text are u using

[civic palm]

Default

[solar willow]

Me2

[echo estuary]

Me3

[fast nacelle]

m4

[marble hemlock]

id love a wa that tells me whether im still in an angle towards the boss where i can get parries 😦

without tracking the combatlog for parries to tell me obviously 😄

[echo estuary]

@fast nacelle tyrarolls huh

[marble hemlock]

but im fairly sure thats impossible 😦

[echo estuary]

They see you rollin' they hatin'

[fast nacelle]

[gaunt moat]

afaik, there is no data you can use to calculate your angle towards a target. only the distance.

only way for this to happen is if blizzard will add markers to the target reticle

[marble hemlock]

yeah 😭

[echo estuary]

Sohcahtoa boys

[safe matrix]

sin and cos law baby

[lone junco]

@marble hemlock I have a Doink addon that makes a sound at parry dodge etc.

[formal ivy]

Any good Assassination /macro's to create? Just starting playing Rogue again

[zealous dew]

there's an old addon for parries

[lone junco]

That's what I've got.

It goes bonkers on immune bosses.

[zealous dew]

SpellNotifications

is mine

just pops a message in the screen

gotta love kingsbane parried

[honest pelican]

none of these wa off wago load properly

even downloaded the extra bars to go with it

still a buinch of globbily gloop

doesnt count the CP right etc

[civic palm]

hmmm

[ornate aspen]

Capped an alt... time to start another

[civic palm]

Now shorter -

[ornate aspen]

Only got 3 more to go before I run out of classes. Gonna have to start leveling hordies next if im gonna make it last to bfa 😄 🔫

[civic palm]

l o l

[strange python]

if i could insta queue dungeons to 110 wouldnt bother me at all but fuck questing anymore

[ornate aspen]

Roll a tank or get a friend who will

Easy

[spare cloud]

I'm leveling a demon hunter

already hurts enough

10 levels

[civic palm]

mmmmmmmboiborders -

[ornate aspen]

I have a pocket tank

[civic palm]

Literally put borders on everything.

[ornate aspen]

Maybe I should level 2 more rogues. That way I got one for each spec

[civic palm]

lol