#assassination
manic vigil
frozen pecan
you ready for some haste items from your chest today bois? Poggers
apparently not lul
frozen pecan
wtf 😂
solar willow
dire spoke
Your xmog stinks
gaunt moat
your parses are boring they're not worth looking at
frozen pecan
undead LUL
safe matrix
I still need to just pug heroic imonar and get rid of my 82
I swear every alt heroic run we do I get slept like 4 times
frozen pecan
classic
steep obsidian
sprint through as many tripwires as you can to murder as many people as possible and you will get a good parse
whore the execute phase
lost horizon
I played on bare min graphics till recently
Then I discovered that Fok and shuristorm actually look sick
vapid moth
They have a bunch of knives come out that's all
But yeah I'd say that's still our sickest move
And that's sad
lost horizon
The cloud of blood/shadow is pretty dope
I thought DFA was our only neat looking ability
And killing spree I guess
vapid moth
Kingsbane and rupture should have poison and blood dripping down
frozen pecan
what do you want? explosions when you mutilate your target?
lost horizon
Yes to be honest
vapid moth
And a glyph to turn that poison blue cause why the fuck not
frozen pecan
🙃
vapid moth
Alacrity should give a slight aura
Though no one uses it
Still. Simple stuff that makes it all look more interestinf
frozen pecan
alacrity should turn you into winnie the pooh
main storm
Blue poison or whatever color u want would be so cool
vapid moth
Like why don't our daggers glow green when we use toxic blade
frozen pecan
because rip to people with their wooden pc's
main storm
Haha
vapid moth
Graphic setting 1 exists for a reason
frozen pecan
Is that the setting where you can't see void zones anymore? 🙃
solar willow
U could have good pc but put everything to minimum for maximum fps
dire spoke
Uganda computers
solar willow
U could have good pc but put everything to minimum for maximum fps
main storm
😂 😂
frozen pecan
If you have your game to max settings in a raid right now it's already close to getting an epileptic seizure, please don't add more lul
solar willow
Any1 else had issues on coven not seeing people or was it just me
dire spoke
You play with a monitor or?
wise frigate
A baby monitor, yeah.
fervent beacon
Hi guys, what did I miss
dire spoke
your chance on success in life
civic palm
Interesting Durst Realm monsters - https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2018/march/DrustRealmMonster03.jpg
glad garden
Does anyone know at what weapoon lvl on relics it outweighs any ranks? i have a 975 relic that i can upgrade a 955 relic it's +6 more ilvl on weapons. But i lose master alchemist and master of shadows for chaotic darkness + either strangler or serrated. is the +6 weapons ilvl worth the downgrade in skills
zealous dew
www.raidbots.com has the answer, section relic compare
civic palm
Can have them pair off against each other on RAIDBOTS.COM!!
glad garden
o really i didn't know raidbots could do that with relics
civic palm
The exclusive location for sparing gear sets.
Yeah they input is a little manual.
But it works.
👌
glad garden
i use raidbots for all my stat weights just didn't know it did relics s with ranks and stuff thats cool
ty for the info
civic palm
Well the ranks themselves are on HeroDamage.
But if you need to see how your relics stack up then you are gonna have to go and sim them against each other.
glad garden
as long as it will let me chooses the skills and ranks for each relic i'll sim it
civic palm
Yerp.
glad garden
sad when you get a 975 upgrade and it's a downgrade in dps 😦
although it's only .01% and like 6k dmg i might do it just to get the extra stamina
hp
civic palm
Yeah we don't get much from item levels on the weapon, especially in consideration to just having better traits.
civic palm
Nah he means target numbers.
astral sundial
in my sims generaly +4/5 IL on relics with any dps traits (like, no cloak or sprint shit) beats lower IL relics with better traits
zealous dew
2 targets, 5 targets
civic palm
Just on the bottom before you submit it, ezpz.
zealous dew
before simulate, check number of T
dire spoke
figureing out relics https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aOr79gN_460sv.mp4
solar willow
Γεια σας
civic palm
I also SIM with Light Movement, as standing entirely still is almost never a thing realistically.
glad garden
i just changed to light movement
before seeing you put that lol
was like thats more normal fights
man i been simming wrong the whole time just 1 boss patch style
civic palm
TBF most of the time you are only fighting a single target, but movement is a consideration to take into account.
There simply are not enough bosses/targets at a consistent rate to SIM that way and it mean anything.
glad garden
now when clicking targets is it the 4 or 5 bosses option?
or is their something for smaller than bosses
solar willow
I havent simmed in a while. Last time i did i was at 2.15 i believe with patchwerk
civic palm
You lose ~30k moving to light movement.
That's all.
and some weights change a little if you are at low crit.
dire spoke
you can't generalize that 
civic palm
Generalize what?
glad garden
my crit sucks it's actually over taken mastery as my main stat weight bc the gear i've gotten
18 or 19%
glad garden
masteyr is at like 218%
solar willow
I have 31
dire spoke
with more CD reduction as in 3MAss+Boots you will loose more dps than running without boots and 0MAss
civic palm
You also lose DPS due to fight time but we don't advise people to run different fight lengths.
glad garden
i use shoulders and bracers
civic palm
Just realize that time off the boss is a DPS loss.
Which is the most obvious thing anyone has ever said, but still needs to be said.
glad garden
yeah what sucks the most is tons of raid leaders like to send us after random adds all day running all over the place knowing our strength is single target lol
civic palm
"All my CDs and almost all my abilities are Single Target... it makes no sense for me to do that. Also, Poison Knives was nerfed hard and caused a large loss in AoE damage from Fan of Knives."
glad garden
yeah every way came back within .01% of dmg and like 4 to 7k dps loss
civic palm
With such a low margin, just make sure you have either 1 or 3 Master Assassin, and then w/e leads to the highest damage otherwise.
glad garden
i think i can handle the dps loss for some more HP and higher ilvl to help get me into groups
i have 1 MA as of right now
would like 3 but relics haven't been good to me
civic palm
Well GL on that front. Aim for 3Mass and you will be fine as far as they go.
verbal falcon
I have 3x Malch but only 1xMass ;(
civic palm
Still run Mantle/Bracers, best DPS for me.
glad garden
same here on every fight
dire spoke
check out herodamage for builds
civic palm
Since I have shockingly low Crit taking off Mantle is a disaster.
glad garden
i have yet to run a setup that boots ever wins out on me
and i tihnk thats why for me as well bc the 18% crit
shrewd oriole
Morning
dire spoke
Ruhe
potent bone
just go back into wow, was wondering what's the fastest way to get a higher item level (dugeon, Raid, ect...)
dire spoke
buy an account on ebay
potent bone
doesnt work i dont think
zealous dew
I live my life a vanish window at a time, nothing else matters. Not the mortgage, not the store, not the team and all their bullshit. For those ten seconds or less.... I'm top DPS
fixed
spare nebula
dire spoke
is this AHC?
spare nebula
opener on m kingoroth
glad garden
Poison bomb at 35% so sexy
spare nebula
thats literally the first 11 seconds of the fight ha
glad garden
everytime it goes of it's like a mini orgasm of green splooge lol
that kills everyone around it
zealous dew
be a man a turn off meters in combat
dire spoke
not even 10m opener ):
dire spoke
Did not see it
dire spoke
lmfao
well I can tell you that's not me
that schmock
Tisumi you're missing in my hall of shadows
I'm gathering my fav german rogues 😦
supple hearth
=0
dire spoke
I'm to shy to ask giggle 🙊
dire spoke
giggle speaks better german than german ppl 
shrewd oriole
Yeah she finna use that German to ask for a mocha latte
And then post it on Instagram
#international
gaunt moat
Giggle is pinoy though, that was confirmed
shrewd oriole
supple hearth
am i a guy am i a girl am i american/german/pinoy denke, wir werden es nie wissen
shrewd oriole
Pinoys are second class Asians
solar willow
I was wondering if in m+ some dungeons is better to play assas over sub
supple hearth
upper kara sin is great
solar willow
Tyrannical upper?
supple hearth
cause no trash hehee
shrewd oriole
@solar willow NL and upper kara
supple hearth
also 1st boss sucks as sub
solar willow
Thats what i was thinking
shrewd oriole
Are the only dungeons where assa is situationally better.
supple hearth
i usually play sin in upper and sub for pretty much everything else
shrewd oriole
But assa can do p much every dungeon
supple hearth
^
turbid harbor
i think upper is at the point where sin is better in every situation
shrewd oriole
Assa blows dick on eoa
fervent beacon
Upper easily for sin.
But I'm not having problem with dps as sin in any dungeon regardless
turbid harbor
but fuck sin in other dungeons
fervent beacon
Just play what you like to play 🤷
shrewd oriole
solar willow
We were 2 rogues in upper +19 i was sub he was assas and he rekt me on overall
kindred forge
Sin is good in M+ whatever others says
shrewd oriole
lol
fervent beacon
I mean none stop pull in + as sin alacrity, im pretty much always spamming finishers by foking rupture spread/env main target
solar willow
LUL
fervent beacon
Keep it for the BfA change.
turbid harbor
idk why you'd play alacrity in m+
solar willow
Poggers it has socket
turbid harbor
haste loses value in aoe to the point where it has almost 0 at like 5 targets
shrewd oriole
Yeah
Can’t even spend the energy I already have
Why would you actually alacrity in aoe
fervent beacon
I'm just way too used to playing without TB at this point. I'm not having an issue with dps wise nor capping on energy that much
fervent beacon
and I'm also running boots/bracers
fervent beacon
CooldownsOnCooldown
fervent beacon
I usually vend the big target with the most hp and just spam fok env after getting bleed up
but again, I'm always baked when I'm playing the game, so I'm just too lazy to swap talents around.
zealous dew
double 0, 7
fervent beacon
Close, but no
shrewd oriole
You play on the NA region so that’s enough
fervent beacon
I'm in Canada
fervent beacon
Eh, I just mainly voted him to make weed legal.
shrewd oriole
I wish he’d make weed illegal just so you’d play shoulders on aoe
Cuz boots on is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard on this discord
zealous dew
😄
shrewd oriole
And the other day we had a guy who didn’t have garrote on his bars
fervent beacon
Maybe I can just make a marco for + and raid setup
zealous dew
these boots are made for walking
fervent beacon
I actually had a cleave and ST set for my OL. So I should do the same.
glad garden
hopefully that fight helped my logs finally on argus. broke 2 mil for once on him
solid nova
You don't have equipment sets?
shrewd oriole
👍
fervent beacon
Even more disappointed if he knew what leggos im running
fervent beacon
He's probably would come in here and say wow Voidbutt, you fucking suck.
solid nova
He can though
fervent beacon
Because I'm a noname?
shrewd oriole
You’re the opposite of a no name
Your name is extremely memorable
I know you’re us cuz I was looking st logs the other day and say “void butt” and giggled
fervent beacon
which log was it
shrewd oriole
Idk
Unsure
Can ask
I know a lot of groups
Aren’t finishing the dungeons
So I think it may be automatic
Poggers
wintry glen
After some advice on relics please... Sims pretty even (if I'm running it right?) - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f1kPoPtb7xsS3DbTbeWBUt - so I think the choice is between Traits MAlc vs PK. I already run another PK Relic (with MA) I know they nerf'd PK, but does it help any on M+ runs at all? Such a pain that you lose the relic and not just swap... bah.
taking hte CrucibleWeight Import String from Hero Damage, it suggests the newer relic
zealous dew
Pk is best trait for m+
with malc
and if you happen to get 500 mastery as well you good
wintry glen
Both PK's are with MA, so works for Raids to... 500 mastery from where? :p
wintry glen
haha
zealous dew
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lolz
wtb proper affixes like bolstering necrotic fortified
teeming explosive fortified LK 28
warm geode
@wintry glen is nice to have a better aoe , but is a opinion the i refined over time, i was thinking to change all me relics for malch/pk/mos after i kill argus mythic, so i was simming and seeing what is my importance to AoE damage and if u r talking about stats over the group u shouldnt change the relic, the gain of AoE dps is (for me) around 5-10% but changing MA relics a more then 200k on ST, and if u r in a group the is needing for u to compensate AoE is a bad thing.
This is my opinion but u do what u want xD
and my english sucks ik xD
solid nova
I mean where I understand what you're saying
You dont really take a Sin rogue for AoE in the first place
warm geode
u dont even bring rogue for dps
solid nova
5-10% AoE gain is noticeable sure, but 5-10% on already lack luster AoE is nothing to really sing and dance about
Rather take the ST increase
Raid environment wise, your sin aoe is trivial
M+? I'd be sub anyway
zealous dew
make a ranged 😃
solid nova
Whenever i log onto a ranged alt, takes me a while to get into the swing of things
Always find myself standing in melee 😅
Too used to melee/tanking
warm geode
one thing ik, outlaw is looking to be a best in m+ next exp, thoses changes on aoe, damm
solid nova
I've not looked into BFA changes too much as its changing so much
Wouldnt mind playing OL at all though
wintry glen
Cool, thanks.. I was curious as sims had both relics about even... but I knew that MA/MAlc was the setup I'd been chasing for Raids but with the sims wondered if there'd be much of a gain for M+ too
warm geode
sub seams the same, but sin and outlaw, man, thoses changes r hyping me
atm i want to play rogue and wr ( i have rogue wr and monk tons )
solid nova
Legit dont mind what spec becomes primary for raiding, enjoy all their playstyles
Ill probs read into the Outlaw changes today when work dies down a bit
Might as well use my 9-5 life constructively 😄
zealous dew
yeah cba to do it again
solid nova
Ended up kicking all melee and just taking ranged i was too tilted
echo estuary
i will remember you as the pvp player undercover
solid nova
2 yards apart is fucking difficult though
echo estuary
i respect that, given the state the game is in
solid nova
Just take multi dot classes and you as the only melee
Easy life
Had 2 DHs fel rushing into everyone last night
zenith cloak
with shoulders should envenom be my top dps by the end of a fight?
zealous dew
DP/envenom
solid nova
I'll have 1k essence for the alt tonight, see if the leggo luck improves
zealous dew
DH fel rushing 😄
zenith cloak
like DP above env and env close behind or DP/envenom can be top dps and it won't matter much
solid nova
Well dont forget if you spam ADADADADAD during the fight you do more dps as melee
Never mind mechanics
Its fine
zealous dew
depends how many envenoms you usually dump into tb
solid nova
^
zenith cloak
alright ty
also do i ever save vanish to use with ven with shoulders? or should i just vanish envenom on cd
zenith cloak
ok
solid nova
Unless fights going to end before vend is off CD
You'll be wanting to hold it for vend use
zenith cloak
alright cool ty
shrewd oriole
Feels good man
Hunter is gonna clear 10/11 M today
945 hunter gonna have more progress than 99% of the people here
zealous dew
you can just buy a 11 clear for gold and have 11/11, more than 99.99% here
zealous dew
expensive is a relative word
if something costs 1 and you have 1.000.000 it's megacheap
shrewd oriole
I think 10M is expensive for everyone
zealous dew
no clue, i have like 600k 😃
lavish isle
morning all
zealous dew
hello mr high heel
lavish isle
small question, ive searched but cant find the answer
whats the max delay we can afford on kingsbane?
i know 5s is the max for toxic blade
but kings bane?
solid nova
If envenoms up, what reason would you have for delaying it in the first place?
lavish isle
i mean if toxic blade is coming off cd soon
solid nova
You wouldnt delay TB more than 5 seconds for KB anyway
As you've already mentioned
Unless TB is sub 5 seconds for CD and envenom is buff is up, there isn't any need to delay it for anything else
zealous dew
just plan ahead man, refresh rupture before tb window, go into tb/kb window with almost full energy
stuff like that
it comes natural playing the spec
lavish isle
yeah tbh it was just a dumb question i guess, wanted to know if we delay KB or not
zealous dew
if you manage to clip the 2p T21 is good but you need a lot of crit
lavish isle
guess never
zealous dew
you delay it a bit if you have 0 energy
solid nova
It is in the guide mate
zealous dew
but again, if you plan ahead you don't go into kb with 0 energy
solid nova
Never need to apologise for wanting to improve fam
lavish isle
true
solid nova
•Use Kingsbane as often as possible, but make sure to have Envenom buff up. Preferably use Envenom before using KB, or immediately after.
• Use Toxic Blade either the last 8 seconds of Kingsbane duration or on cooldown. Do not delay your Toxic Blade more than 5 seconds waiting for Kingsbane. If Vendetta is coming up you can delay as well.
•Dont rupture during TB - refresh it before. It's fine to rupture during KB as long as you maintain envenom.
•Pool energy before TB to maximise envenom output
Should cover what you're looking for
terse rune
on which intermission adds should we focus on argus? physical and then nature add or sth else?
slim estuary
wtb PB procs ffs. 4% dmg on garothi M
quick ice
slim estuary
I was like "why is my parse so low..." oh PB
frank sentinel
i went a whole M agg kill with no PBs
zealous dew
benched midfight for no pb procs
frank sentinel
also went a whole M agg kill with like 14% so 🤷
lethal heart
i had one sickest pull ever on argus
190 mil psn bomb
we even managed to kill it 👌
solid nova
A kill on a good pull!?
solid nova
What is this madness
lethal heart
that we'd kill it
i had like 10 rages in p1
which is insta cockblock xd
but that 190 mil psn bomb try i got super lucky
like they didnt move boss for modules whatsoever
and i was just getting lucky psn bombs on 2 targets basically
zealous dew
exsang rogue on this aggramar!
solid nova
Thats sell your soul to the devil rng
lethal heart
i mean
if they were for example playing for 5 buffs though
which could've been old logs
strange python
exsang so consistent tho feels good man
again
slim estuary
this is dogs, the fight immediately after i got a 4% on garothi
strange python
i recommend 2 weeks of warlock therapy
strange python
warlocks still top dps with bad rng
i don’t even look too closely at my logs on it i just dot things and 💤
shantal said the dreaded M word
slim estuary
im ready to have a full mental breakdown
zealous dew
drain your UA more then
wintry blaze
Is it worth to change out a balanced blades relic that is 930 for a master assasins that is 920 ?
zealous dew
www.raidbots.com dude
steel pilot
Might be a silly question but if I refresh a 5cp rupture with a 3cp rupture to maintain uptime does it do the same damage per tick?
steel pilot
Thank you 😀
sand dirge
does the nightly build at raidbots calculate for memento of angerboda that people are dying in a raid for the additional proccs?
shrewd oriole
Nah
warm geode
take raidbot for the base, then look the actual html report and increase with the input of death per minute of ur raid progression
sand dirge
i opened the html report but i cant find the death per minute section?
warm geode
there no " death per minute" on log
u will get this info from ur guild,
by raiding
and see the increase of % durantion ( u will do this math no the raidbot xD )
sand dirge
ok thank u
hybrid rock
I am currently looking at my Varimathras Heroic log, and trying to figure out why my dmg was so bad (38 for my ilvl) ... how can I tell if I made errors or I just had shitty rng?
solid nova
Post the logs mate
hybrid rock
solid nova
You also had 2 seconds of nothing on the pull
You didn't actually open until 3 seconds after the fight started
You also didnt utilise shoulders properly on the pull
hybrid rock
The guild I am raiding with is pulling the boss on the right side of the room, so there is not much I can do in the first few seconds or is there a trick?
Oh shit you are right shiennar
damn
shrewd night
PK relic 
solid nova
And you're not holding for vanish and vendetta together
shrewd night
GG on having 7 mass, but those other traits are suboptimal. pray more to rngjesus
solid nova
And you should be pooling a lot more before TB
hybrid rock
for how long should I hold vendetta until vanish is rdy?
solid nova
Need to pool way more before TB so this doesnt happen
Well you should be using vendetta and vanish on the opener
As your opener is wrong
And then they'll sync naturally
Yeah i saw the 2nd one
And you only ruptured in TB once
But it should be zero
You lost so much damage in the opener because you didnt utilise shoulders properly
And unfortunate PB RNG
hybrid rock
So to sum all up, I should pull the boss and sprint after it, fix my opener and pool more before I use TB
and pray to RNGesus
solid nova
Dont rupture in TB either
And i prefer tricks into Shadowstep
But either way, 3 second delay should never occur
hybrid rock
Alright thanks for all the help
solid nova
I've also noticed when you move during Dark Fissures, you stop attacking
Either moving out of melee range or just not moving/attacking
That was on a dark fissure movement, went to see if you had necrotic etc but it was pure movement
All adds up to quite a substantial dps loss
vestal wren
so whats current meta:
3x MA
2x MA
or
0x MA
?
vestal wren
i have 0, tho i am not sure whats best, so i ask ppl who play the spec more regular
lost horizon
it's pretty much the same as what's up on herodamage
i think you can technically get away with 0, but there's no reason to not have 1
just 2 sims poorly still
shrewd oriole
For bleed you need 3
Bleeds trash without 3 mas and boots
I like 1ma 2bb 3 malch
That’s my personal preference
heavy plover
Does using lower ilvl pieces to cheese logs actually worth it
i didn't say i care, i just asked a question
shrewd oriole
Ilvls don’t matter
So why would you bother lol
@gusty kestrel I mean you pretty much need it, it’s a huge dps loss without it
65k dps increase
That’s a leggo
gaunt moat
tom ignoring question in #off-topic
shrewd oriole
I don’t talk to sexist trump supporters nationalists white supremacists bigoted xenophobes racists genderphobic cis white males
😠
marble hemlock
so
how do i tell someone i regularly play with, that after watching through some of his vods, im fairly confident that i could set up a character of his class, and play his class better in less than 2 hours
without hurting their feelings?
zealous dew
i'd go with: play boomkin
zealous dew
ninjapull with starfall ?
shrewd oriole
Lmao
Well
Tell him if he doesn’t improve you don’t really wanna keep playing with him
marble hemlock
yeah
marble hemlock
i plan on sitting him down and watch his own vods and ask him if he sees whats wrong himself
shrewd oriole
LOL
zealous dew
i'm curious now
marble hemlock
dont be
shrewd oriole
“Do you see what’s wrong in the picture”
zealous dew
what spec does he play
marble hemlock
watching my own vods always helped me improve realizing where i pay attention to the wrong stuff
shrewd oriole
High risk of not working
warm parcel
I mean it helps if you know whats correct
strange python
ilvl doesnt matter is wrong .. if u burn my 960 Malch relics for 940 MA/mos/Malch relic
marble hemlock
i do
strange python
it ends in an dps LOSE
marble hemlock
its just not something i feel can be fixed easily
marble hemlock
not using moons effectively, not keeping starfall up, casting unempowered spells when he has empowered ones
maybe
i could understand if its issues resulting from the new spec
but theres underlying issues that need to be fixed first, which to me seem like either an interface issue because while he has weakauras, he just doesnt see them, or general panic/"i dont care" attitude
warm parcel
Unless youre missing out on something else
marble hemlock
idk
warm parcel
When OI procs 5 times back to back
marble hemlock
since its one of the lower priorities compared to using your procs, casting moons etc.
warm parcel
feelsgoodman
marble hemlock
also a bit weirded out that hes not using a @ cursor macro for starfall
warm parcel
oh dear
marble hemlock
dunno
solar willow
marble hemlock
its just one of those things you kinda want to do
when youre always pressing the same button anyway
similar to how as a dh you just have multiple hotkeys for chaos strike
so you dont keep spamming the same button and fatigue your fingers
but instead alternate between different ones, even though its the same ability youre using
that seems even weirder
we still have the best upper run that did not have a monk and/or 4 dps @ mdi, hype!
sage lintel
just learn to play monk 8(
manic vigil
zealous dew
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cool story bro 4 dh and a dk
kind plaza
Are there specific situations where I would use the shoulders over the boots?
zealous dew
raiding or m+?
kind plaza
Raiding
I would prob just play sub in m+ because waiting on poison bomb procs isn't fun lol
zealous dew
use what sims highest in raiding
boots wrists crown mantle and insingia lol pretty equal
on KG i'd play mantle / boots
kind plaza
Yeah they are really close on ss, like within 25k dps in my current setup. Wasn't sure if there was a specific fight length where the shoulders might pull ahead though
I would think mantle/boots is preferred in+ too right? Assuming I don't have insignia
Which I don't FeelsBadMan
drifting cloud
boots are pretty trash in m+
solid nova
^
solid nova
@fervent beacon Take note ❤
kind plaza
Oh okay good to know, thanks
zealous dew
you can play mantle boots on bosses in m+
or mantle crown
or mantle wrists
depends on offpieces
you can also play 2p 4p if you can multidot
kind plaza
For quality of life I'd just play sub prob
kind plaza
Hoping to get an insignia soon though
solid nova
Insig is alright too
prisma hornet
hello i was wondering if theres a good guide to look up for making an assasination rouge build for raiding and if theres any advice you may share that would be grate?
zealous dew
ROUGE?
prisma hornet
umm sorry im bad at spelling...
spare cloud
Decent for bleed 
desert karma
how much crit do you need for assassa to start feeling smooth?
lost horizon
That's all on your definition of 'smooth'
lost horizon
100% - balanced blades Crit 👌
manic vigil
drifting cloud
pretty much🤔
gaunt moat
@desert karma there are no magic numbers.
desert karma
Im currently feeling a bit clunky with 26%
manic vigil
What's the perfect relic composition for boots(insignia) /bracers poison setup? I still can't decide. 7malch 7bb. 7malch 5ma 6bb. Maybe 7ma and replace malch for bb 
I'll have to sim it all and then somehow get perfect relics
desert karma
I got lucky with an HC pug run 😄
The Immonar set pants have evaded me still
I have a nice hands piece (crit/mastery) that will replace that hands haste tier
drifting cloud
but yeah your gear looks more than solid
for 960
now its just getting higher ilvl while keeping roughly same items
I guess legendary bracers and then youd need different boots
desert karma
I was told by Tom to wear shoulders/boots, so I dunno
drifting cloud
well just sim it I guess?
they are pretty close yes so it depends what item you equip in the legendary slot
desert karma
I guess I will need to go boots hunting 😄
lost horizon
Kinny in particular
desert karma
Ah, because you can get vendettas on the little constructs?
drifting cloud
yeah stuff lines up better and you dont get full effect from bracers anyways because you usually have 1 wave add below 30% anyways
desert karma
I dont have bracers legendary yet, just got the empty crown today 😢
lost horizon
Top logs will mostly be bracers from the highroll potential
Boots are more consistent for kin
desert karma
But does the boss even last long enough on most bosses in antorus to give you lots of dps increase from bracers execute?
lost horizon
You play around the execute, pop second pot save vanish if you wouldn't get another cast off etc
Oh shit CoF +bracers.... I might have to try that
desert karma
CoF?
lost horizon
Convergence trinket from NH
desert karma
Ah, I see 😄
jovial kite
19 weeks
desert karma
So, I got 1,8 mill dps on a sim, does that mean that I should be doing 1,8 mill dps consistently?
jovial kite
1 more week to go
and ill calculate the odds for 20 weeks straight haste gear
im probably approaching some ridiculously low odds
desert karma
Anyone good with sims here?
desert karma
So its not really accurate then? 😛
marble hemlock
and here i sit, playing my assa in upper, and feeling good for doing decent dps 😄
and then i see this ><
drifting cloud
♿
desert karma
I was worrying super bad about it 😢
crimson knoll
Look at Warcraftlogs for a better idea of how much you should pull for each boss.
drifting cloud
it auto uploads doesnt it
so they just dont finish their runs when they know they can do better?
drifting cloud
I guess @marble hemlock would know im just guessing
marble hemlock
or they just dont want to show how much further ahead they are than everyone else
drifting cloud
did they even do runs yesterday think it was Franks bday or something
drifting cloud
maybe only early afternoon
marble hemlock
na method was playing though, and even streaming
which is pretty nice
cause now i can check darkees pov where he did 6.4mil overall in their 8min mos run
and copy
and roll monk for mos ><
probably
and nelth
LUL
i mean i was doing fine as assa in upper
even ashine played assa
keen inlet
mmm monk tho
marble hemlock
sadly the dk didnt stream
drifting cloud
xyros grup had 8:45 and they wipe on the 1st pack after 1st boss
marble hemlock
wouldve loved to see that nelth
drifting cloud
and even had the bad tentacle spawn on helya
marble hemlock
yeah
drifting cloud
so they can easily do 30s faster if not more
marble hemlock
tentacle spawns can fuck you up on helya a bit
and most of the grps close to 8mins just shroud the 1st packs after ymiron
and do grimelord+mariner+trashpack instead
drifting cloud
I see intereseting havent seen that one yet
marble hemlock
same seed for every upper on medivh
its always arcane > flamewreath > frost
you have chess rng though
if the two knights dont move for the first 10sec
chess probably just despawns
like
spiral charm
So when I sim on Mr robot it tells me that the head is going to give me 500k more dps than the shoulders equipped. Just wondering if any more experianced rogues had any advice for me also. Linking armory https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/draenor/stbaman
marble hemlock
the king sees 4 monks rolling in (literally)
and just decides to nope out of there
solid nova
@spiral charm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot sim with raidbots, not AMR.
spiral charm
Okay will try that
drifting cloud
also dont use a ring with 2.4k haste 😛
10-15ilvl lower no haste ring probably beats it
spiral charm
yeah, trying to get rid of it bad luck so far
Running normal even LFR for better stats
desert karma
I was about to say, DHT is great if you can get a titanforged ring/neck
I have tried around 12 runs now with no ring or neck 😢
turbid summit
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
solid nova
Old news grandpa
zealous dew
why do they allow class stacking ?
dude I have a job
why don't they challenge you in +10 sanguine volcanic fortified
lone junco
4dps +tank. ? whoopses. grevious
hoary copper
Reasons why I love disc, running heroic and get the overload proc and 53m hit on the last boss of seat. 1.7m dps...
zealous dew
class stacking allowed 😄
lone junco
Tourney wise, not mad. Id be ok with 5 prot pally if they could bump the deeps
they could prob fix it with a higher lvl, or different affixes
vestal wren
upper +22 with 4 ww + dk tank is lul
strange python
Wat
vestal wren
lone junco
rip
vestal wren
#balanced
astral sundial
hey, following the opener section in @gaunt moat s guide, I always overcap on energy when I trigger vendetta - I understand it is not such a big deal when using shoulders, since the benefit of the extra damage is more important..but is it also the case when using non-shoulders setup with subterfuge? and if not, what should I change in the opener in order not to waste energy? I thought to maybe go KB>vendetta>TB
gaunt moat
stick to the suggested opener
capping 1 second of energy doesn't matter in the long run
astral sundial
thanks 😃
calm grail
strange python
Hi maybe anyone know what giv more fps in wow graphic card or processor ? I have rx 480 8gb card but shit Processor and i have in 30 man raid on varimathias 10fps xd on 5/10 settings. If i change Processor i will get more fps or not ?
lofty token
@sand canyon You got beat by two other Rogues? What's going on?
humble crane
Might be a question for the general channel vadoos
spare cloud
Dont provoke the brah
torn coyote
gUYS
Guys
how good is bracer on argus mythic
tho i sims higher with shoulders and boots now
anyone ?
lethal heart
bracers are bis progression legendary
lethal heart
15k is nothing
when we do like 2,2 mil dps
just go with what you think does more dps for you really
but wrists probably bis since you have got dmg buff in execute phase
and stuff like that on argus
cosmic charm
isn't that like a 0,6% increase at best
torn coyote
boots makes it eaiser to play since vent comes faster
thats why i want to play with boots but fucking excute phase at argus its really tight
which u need extra dps with bracer
old quartz
can i get the cool green name for posion spec? ❤
fervent beacon
@shrewd oriole btw bud, I made an equip macro for my sin so i can run shoulders/bracers
torn coyote
vagen
fervent beacon
tranquil silo
Boots for kingaroth?
torn coyote
never
fervent beacon
Wiping to mythic agg?
hoary copper
Tom will be sitting it out anyway
fervent beacon
shrewd oriole
nah
I'm in for everything tonight
new guild
u can hear fatboss saying toxic worsd
pallid quarry
does someone have a good weakaura for rage&fear on argus?
marble hemlock
got the stream of the chinese druid and the dk, wanna see the rogues 😦
half ridge
hey guys, is there some sort of googlesheet that compares trinkets please
zealous dew
share the stream @marble hemlock
plain thistle
@half ridge herodamage.com
half ridge
thx a lot
half ridge
tytyt
shrewd oriole
devout jolt
FML
polar light
I'd like that ring
polar light
I would like it very much
young ember
Hello fellow sinners. I have oné trivial question.
Is There a different opener with the Mantle for aoe ? Or Just nuke some poor caster ad.
zealous dew
you mean m+ ?
vapid moth
Yes. With mantle you use FoK instead on Mutilate. And you ignore garrote unless there's a priority target
leaden sail
question, better to use toxic blade so it lasts through the end of kingsbane or not?
vapid moth
Depends on how they line up
leaden sail
in the opener for instance
vapid moth
Nope
leaden sail
is that just to get it on cd?
vapid moth
So the mantle window isn't fucked up
young ember
So what i got... Ordinary opener but replace mulitate with fan and remove garrote.
young ember
So no Toxic followed with kingsbane ?
silent axle
whats wrong with tb
shrewd notch
young ember
Your daily sacarfice of virgins wasn't enough
zealous dew
alacrity 😄
shrewd oriole
THE BOSS
DIDNT DROP VANQ TIER
FOR THE 7TH WEEK IN A Row
but I coined it
fuck me
I hate imonar
zealous dew
coined like a pro
zealous dew
ohh good one
lone junco
lol. heroic aggramar alt run 3T 4H 8dps. > 11 mins.
was surprised there was no enrage
once we beat Argus with alts, i guess we just pack it up.
astral sundial
I just pugged heroic today for full clear and we only wiped twice...in my former guild we almost skipped coven hc cuz we wiped 7 times on it.
hoary copper
I pugged heroic and we got to HC and wiped 3 tmes and we were done
Actually I take that back, wiped 3 times to HC and 1 to Eonar
lone junco
we just took about 1/3 mains and alts over 935. Pugs are shit. alt runs tend to go pretty smoothly. Esp with 2 mains on tank, cause they "dont have alts"
hoary copper
Meh Idk if I'll get aotc but its fine
lone junco
I think next week Ill have my dps trinket list ready for M+ hpal
lone junco
Id be looking for antorus dps ones I can get from raid at 935-955 ish
lone junco
fight?
shrewd oriole
vari
hoary copper
Oakheart’s Gnarled Root, Faulty Countermeasure, Sephuz/Chains according to the faq. Also Umbreal/terrorbound nexus for aoe. Guide mentions the ship trinket from Garothi, and a few others
lone junco
Ive got sephuz chains. kinda bummed that my 865 Arcano I got this week beats the garothi heal trinket.
that spreadsheet is raid heal values tho. not sure if ill believe it for m+
hoary copper
I dont have sephuz, I should work on my shockadin set. 1.5m bursts are fun tho especially heroics. Yea idk, it might tho cause its basically just a overpriced stat stick
I'd rather use ishkar for m+ tho
lone junco
ive been using that bubble trinket + seastar
My heals arent strong enough to do much more than CS for shock reset.
prob just got a bad run with necrotic.
really sucks when the tank cant clear.
hoary copper
I like sea star, idk how much value in m+ it has unless you're using LOD a lot
btw did my heroic run on my disc, 53m hit on the last boss of Seat with overloaded light's wrath. He went from like 60% hp to 0
I may or may not have squealed. 1.8m dps haha
lone junco
53 m st?
hoary copper
Overloaded is like a proc, only happens on reg and heroic and MAYBE regular mythic. You basically start glowing and then you know the next hit will be massive
plus its modified with number of atonements out. I saw the window, PWR and then lw...pretty much one shotted it from where it was
hoary copper
Are you in LFR again?
ruby badge
Fan of knives on 3CP single target worth it ever?
shrewd oriole
no
keen inlet
no
keen inlet
xd
ruby badge
so no lol
lone junco
@ruby badge with 5/6/7 pk
ruby badge
thanks boys
hoary copper
Sin talk in the #sin channel? gtfo!
drifting cloud
oh so its already built in the default apl no wonder why my 980 pk relic simmed slightly better than I thought it would