assassination

[sharp viper]

between 1.7 and 2.4m dps depending on the trinket and rtb procs

[vapid moth]

My retard tolerance limit has been reached for today

Just argued with a dude who says WoW is P2W

[turbid harbor]

0 amanthul

[sharp viper]

it is pay2play2win

[keen inlet]

!warn @vapid moth "my retard tolerance limit" etc

[chrome tusk]

Alright, @vapid moth has been warned because '"my retard tolerance limit" etc'.

[turbid harbor]

idk how many of each

[vapid moth]

Wtf

[lone junco]

everyone should heal for a tier.

[turbid harbor]

we had a decently diverse raid though with str agi and int

so i thought i'd be fine

[keen inlet]

@turbid harbor number is important for value of the proc/spec

[sharp viper]

wiat how do you heal without group frames? friendly name plates or what?

[turbid harbor]

ya

[keen inlet]

I think snd doesn't beat out rtb at high levels until like 10-15 trinkets

[turbid harbor]

im going to wait for everybody to have amanthul

[keen inlet]

idr exactly

[turbid harbor]

instead of nobody

[lone junco]

@sharp viper he played warrior or dk or spriest. no frames cause no care for team.

made me v sad

[vapid moth]

I could never heal. The thought of it pisses me off

[lone junco]

maybe healing makes you aware of team moreseo than mongo dps

[sharp viper]

oh i thought you described him as a healer hence my confusion

[lone junco]

M+ heal is prob the content I needed

looks really hard and fast with certain affix

[strange python]

m+ is just fun in general man

best content to come out of legion

[lone junco]

ye

[sharp viper]

true

[lone junco]

i loved it as sub,

and Mark spam for oultaw

[strange python]

just play warlock 😉

[lone junco]

working on it.

[sharp viper]

that's the answer to everything

[lone junco]

just got seed. and was bummed to find that it is trash without the talent

[strange python]

i just faction transferred mine because we have too many mdps in our team, got a 980 fucking prototype

[sharp viper]

i wanna be top dps in raid "just play warlock" i wanna be taken to m+ groups "just play warlock" i wanna be good in pvp "just play warlock"

[lone junco]

is that good?

[strange python]

better than my 960 pantheon rn

even with like 5 procs

and bis in m+ methinks

does stupid amounts of dmg

[keen inlet]

I tried.
Sorry for derailling actual discussion, potentially

so close

[lone junco]

nice try

[sharp viper]

0/10

[strange python]

any chance outlaw is going to be good in m+ this expac or am i grabbing haste/vers offpieces for naught

naut? not?

[keen inlet]

Sin channel

[lone junco]

good thing sin is slow and easy. my shitty old fingers and derp brain couldnt perform at the 60apm

[strange python]

o rip

[keen inlet]

but it's way too early to tell

if you're talking about bfa

[strange python]

actually i meant legion

[keen inlet]

if you're talking about legion

[strange python]

ill ask in outlaw

[keen inlet]

it's actually okay at high ilvls

[lone junco]

Gloves are neat.

[keen inlet]

but I think sin's easier and yields better results consistently

[lone junco]

Allureal plays snd high. but tourney doesnt have cof

or something else he needs

[strange python]

fair enough, i think im just tired of praying for PB procs

another reason to transfer my lock

[lone junco]

yeah. same

[strange python]

play aoe spec and still do top dps on boss fights

[lone junco]

I about shit when I did 20m in lower as sub tho

too bad im no good at sub ST

[sharp viper]

sin sims close to 2.3m and outlaw scratches at 2.1m dps, rtb has larger variance than snd yet it is more fun to play since more buttons

[lone junco]

I think 3spec dps is so nice, cause i would be shit at a few of the rogue options

[sharp viper]

outlaw would be stronger if we had more pantheon trinkets and especially amanthuls

[lone junco]

yeah. bring 12 amanthuls to your M+. .then you would own.

[keen inlet]

Outlaw needs more interactive abilities/talents. There isn't enough synergy

[sharp viper]

i was talking more in general

[strange python]

ss into finishers is fun but

[astral sundial]

amanthuls proc more then other pantheon trinkets?

[keen inlet]

and energy regen is a boring thing to design around

[sharp viper]

you got bfa alpha access don? isn't outlaw a bit energy starved without all the artifact traits?

[strange python]

honestly so far from what ive seen so far, the BFA class design has been really good

[lone junco]

its easy to say taht at low lvl.

[sharp viper]

demo lock seems to be so much fun

[lone junco]

but without the template scale, its hard to tell what will be good

[strange python]

all 3 lock specs are solid on the alpha

as far as play

now idk about after neckpiece and other shit

[sharp viper]

true azerite stuff might be a game changer like artifact traits or legendary effects

[lone junco]

does the azerite or what not change spec with offspecs?

[strange python]

i really hope not

i want the azerite shit to just be like defensive shit or non-dps stuff

[lone junco]

can you use the same neck with ench for all 3 rogue specs?

[strange python]

yes i believe, i think alpha just got necks this last patch

idk my roommate has it and I dont so ive mostly been watching it from over his shoulder

[sharp viper]

i think you will not replace the neck at all in bfa

one static piece throughout

[loud niche]

is notter's weakaura still around? and if so, is it still really good?

[sharp viper]

yes, check pins and no 👺

[lone junco]

will be interesting if a high rank neck for sin is also a high rank neck for sub. etc.

will make offspecs either good or a shit grind.

[sharp viper]

i honestly don't know how the azerite stuff is going to work, do you unlock different traits while using a certain shoulder piece only? is it random? can you respec like talents?

[weary plover]

guys im beginner and i have question that isnt related to rogues but can anyone help?

[lone junco]

@weary plover k. what lvl?

or ilvl if 110

@weary plover

can prob get there as lvl 1.

[loud niche]

im looking for the best assassination weakaura, any help?

pins didnt tell me anything :C

[lone junco]

waigo

but this one looks ok

nvm. dumb shit there

who needs a mut tracker

I dont use any of that shit.

[strange python]

while we're on weakauras , any leads on a WA that shows how many panth trinkets are in your raid/group?

[lone junco]

we have a spread sheet

[strange python]

huh neat, i actually wanted it for pugs to see if its worth on my lock to wear panth or arcano

[lone junco]

eoc + dogs?

but i get

@loud niche pins have Notter WA

[strange python]

on my lock ^^ not rogue

[sharp viper]

@strange python https://wago.io/rJAjboxWz maybe this but meh

[lone junco]

that looks good

Known Issues: Empowered tracking does not work

lol

but numbers is all he wanted anyway

[vernal adder]

general rn

[lone junco]

pass

[calm grail]

Haha woahh

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gtfo-escape-jumping-12pWOEeKbbfdio

ill see myself out of that one

[vernal adder]

"what is going on in general, seems active...OH LAWD"

[lone junco]

https://giphy.com/gifs/eXQPwwE8DFTZS

[jovial kite]

https://i.redd.it/65cbkul61ln01.gif

[sharp viper]

general hasn't been this much fun in quite some time

[jovial kite]

me in general

[lone junco]

Thats JAKE THE SNAKE

I saw that shit

v andre the giant

[vernal adder]

jake the snake is great

[woven void]

how good is dreadlords deceit

[vernal adder]

its pretty shit

[lone junco]

@woven void it is great for sub, not great for sin

literally hits for 4M per mob with shoulder open

[woven void]

on sub?

[lone junco]

yeah. it buffs with symbol /dance / Ns / shoulder

[woven void]

is it bad in every environment? isnt it good in m+

[lone junco]

but if you are going to use it. set a tracker for stacks. i have it show up at 25+

Cloak is junk in ST for all specs.

it is cleave only, when stacked

[woven void]

ohh kk

also nb for poison sin? its more likely than you think 🤔

[sharp viper]

cloak is really good for sub aoe with mantle and all teh spec specific dmg modifiers

it is more than underwhelming for assassination sadly

[lone junco]

"more likely than i think"

[jovial kite]

because if the bar is the test

[lone junco]

no. cloak is shit for sin.

use shoulder bracer if you have them

[vernal adder]

@jovial kite the bar huh?

[woven void]

i need bracer ;___;7

[lone junco]

then wear cloak

but you asked if it was good

i say no

[woven void]

im wearing crown and shoulder

[lone junco]

shoulder cloak. shoulder belt. might be ok with out bracers

[woven void]

so no crown?

[lone junco]

you can also sim 40sec 5t patchwork and see which hits harder, if you dont trust

Crown is purely st

I wouldnt use it for aoe

it is good for ST

sorry, ive had my sin oranges for like a year. I dont like to remember the struggle.

[woven void]

lmfao thats fucked up

[lone junco]

how?

[vernal adder]

I've had all legendaries for fucking ages

[lone junco]

ive been main rogue. not having bis oranges sucks. Outlaw was a joke with sephuz prydaz

[vernal adder]

got like 9 random class legendaries

[lone junco]

So. is shoulder crown ok for aoe I have no clue

best thing you can do is sim at 20s 40s 1min depending on the trash pull size.

patchwork 8 boss 20 sec, is imp junk trash.

4boss 40 sec is bigger shit

[woven void]

god i wish i had all legendaries

[lone junco]

i got my last one a few days ago, but I stopped farming last summer.

stragglers were all trash

[woven void]

what about ring? hows ring

[lone junco]

sim your gear setups

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/gear

[woven void]

pbbbbbt thats HARD

[shrewd oriole]

@gusty kestrel

someone accidentally made this week's logs public

who ever it was is gonna get lynched

[lone junco]

whats a 99 coven look like 2.4?

[shrewd oriole]

2.5

I have a better rank tho

nvm

99 is higher then

[hoary copper]

That poor afflic lock

[restive inlet]

How much do you multidot? Only outside of cds?

[shrewd oriole]

100%

[hoary copper]

2.6m and a green parse

[shrewd oriole]

I only use muti during vanish

[sharp viper]

impossible for me to parse that high on coven unless we get less melees and better tanks

[shrewd oriole]

idd

that was perfect comp for parsing

[sharp viper]

3 melees is the dream

[restive inlet]

Only muti during vanish. Our tanks are doing something wrong. I can't fok and hit both

[sharp viper]

last kill we had 6 or so, pure shit fest on the lighnting adds

[shrewd oriole]

https://clips.twitch.tv/MoldyTentativePuppyPMSTwin

[hoary copper]

why no var or argus logs?

[lone junco]

neat mod for 6L

looked like he rolled past it once.

thats part of what I love about poe, is the crafting mats. not a fan of using it for trading currency

[shrewd oriole]

@hoary copper I have no assa vari logs

I am forced to play sub

dont mention it

😦

[lone junco]

step timer or 6cp add hit?

[tight meteor]

why?

[lone junco]

probably pooling for an add

[shrewd oriole]

cuz I top damage on adds

it's aids

[tight meteor]

you should still be able to step as sin

oh

lol

[shrewd oriole]

idd

[tulip grotto]

yo guys is mark of the claw worth taking for neck enchantment when running bleed build

[lone junco]

do a gear compare. Import your gear and swap the neck for one with the different enchant

for me. on my bleed set, I use satyr cause im too lazy to swap for 0.1% damage. but i think claw might be a tad better

i was planning on re simming if i ever get a new neck.

[tulip grotto]

aight

[lone junco]

For this guy
trained soldier > claw > satyr

[round harbor]

Bleed in 2018 OMEGALUL

[lone junco]

saying omegalul in 2018

[tulip grotto]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/sylvanas/aido

[round harbor]

@shrewd oriole why do people care about private logs

[tulip grotto]

look my gloves

gonna try for coven

[lone junco]

965 t20 is pretty nice

[bold dune]

ppl don't care about private logs

[lone junco]

that vers/mastery ring is kinda blah, but you know

[bold dune]

unless you're a pleb who still does that

[lone junco]

private logs are an insignificant sample size wut.

I still get a chuckle out of that one.

[round harbor]

It's just funny to me that people still private log

I love hearing the justification for it outside of like WF kills

[lone junco]

makes sense.

[bold dune]

nice edit

[lone junco]

easy to put the same guy on pod 2 every time this way

[bold dune]

they are shit btw

[round harbor]

I mean private logging doesn't prevent scummi g

[bold dune]

that was an accurate statement

[lone junco]

im not defending private logs. just that people cry when they dont get to be oranges

I rotate people in and out of pods for that reason

[bold dune]

and yeah I don't really think private logging rly removes the issue of epeens impacting performance either

[round harbor]

People crying about going into pods have bigger issues lmao

[lone junco]

dps is still good to have tho.

[round harbor]

Like Daddy issues

[bold dune]

but if that's such a problem that private logging makes sense for the sake of alleviating that problem

[lone junco]

tunneling argus over orbs etc.

[bold dune]

then the guild's shit

[lone junco]

its the only justification ive heard. is that people dont want to look bad on paper

bully tool of course

[round harbor]

Lmao

SOMEBODY PARSED ME WITHOUT MY CONSENT. BLIZZARD BAN THEM PLS

[tulip grotto]

yea im still simming items to find the perfect set for bleed

[lone junco]

that 3200 crit ring from seat 👌

[hoary copper]

Seat 🤢

[bold dune]

I actually discovered a new talent setup for bleed, it's 1130011

should try it out

[lone junco]

all you have to do is maintain rupture and garrote.

and they bleed

[bold dune]

parses improved noticeably after switching

[round harbor]

Wait

Nelbur you've forsaken subtlety?

The sub God himself?

[lone junco]

he left sub around the mut buff i think

execute for argus

[bold dune]

I've been playing assassination since like mid way through agg progression

no it was when FoK spam became popular lol

[lone junco]

cause memes

[round harbor]

Ahh the good times

[lone junco]

mut buff was like a week later so thats about right

[round harbor]

Never forgetti

[ornate aspen]

Mp for bleed build?

[round harbor]

FoK was so much better imo

[ornate aspen]

Oh

[lone junco]

@ornate aspen it was a joke

[ornate aspen]

Im slow

[round harbor]

Played faster and had higher m+ potential

[ornate aspen]

Took me a minute but I got there lol

[lone junco]

3pk was good for m+

even without the nsdp

[bold dune]

yeah I played that for the sake of spamming upper for my EoC

although it was also during the nsdp bug lol

[lone junco]

vanish fok env fok env

[round harbor]

I still haven't gotten better than 945 eoc

[bold dune]

but yeah I did play sub for over a year straight

but what's the point in being a god at a spec you don't rly love

it wasn't the same spec after 7.2.5

[round harbor]

Idk ask burrito

Same

I cannot play the gloves playstyle

It's too weird for me

[ornate aspen]

Post 725 sub was kinda sad

[bold dune]

it may have been 7.2 actually lol idr anymore

[round harbor]

If i could wear high ilvl t20 + shoulders bracers I would lol

That sub was fun

[bold dune]

yeah I had a pretty decent LotR build for sub before I swapped, it wasn't bad

[ornate aspen]

Pre rework sub may have been a bit awkward but it was fun

[tulip grotto]

i ended up swapping argus neck for dogs neck, -7 crit but simming higher

[bold dune]

but assassination is too good this tier

[round harbor]

And aimple

Simple

[bold dune]

idt pre rework sub was awkward in general, maybe it sucked to play around certain mechanics lol

[lone junco]

I ditched sub at Avatar. the dfa drop was bullshit

[bold dune]

e.g. Elisande

[lone junco]

ofc you played for host.

[round harbor]

My guild barely killed maiden monkaS

[strange python]

my guild died on maiden :feels:

[ornate aspen]

I picked up sin after subs rework and have been there since

[bold dune]

I mean DfA was kinda neat on avatar because you could dodge mechanics with it

but at the same time when it didn't hit I wanted to die lol

[lone junco]

it was neat on KJ

I got knockback, DFA weeeee

[vapid moth]

I never got the maiden struggle. It wasn't a difficult boss

[lone junco]

knockback Step

[ornate aspen]

I even ran sin in ToS ♿

[lone junco]

4p21 really is good for sin

[bold dune]

sin wasn't bad in ToS

[lone junco]

crit meta is good

[bold dune]

just wasn't worth it to play on fights like maiden and host

[ornate aspen]

It was low tier

[bold dune]

although host was a meme fight but yeah

[lone junco]

yeah 4p20 was so lame

[bold dune]

I mean damage wise it was probably not that great overall but its ST was still good?

[ornate aspen]

Especially when everyone was running sub and shitting in your mouth by comparison

[lone junco]

subt garrote garrote garrote

[bold dune]

And you could still negate mechanics

[ornate aspen]

ST was fine. Again not great

[bold dune]

idk I have a feeling that if I was in your guild I could play any spec on ST and dunk the metes

including sin in ToS

[round harbor]

Probly

In mine, you'd have a little competition

[ornate aspen]

If I had a guild I bet you could

[round harbor]

But only like me and one other

[bold dune]

hmm maybe

not likely

but maybe

[round harbor]

;)

For me not as rogue, but as enhance

[bold dune]

enhance is a lil busted rn

but I'm gonna try SnD soon so I can be busted as well

[ornate aspen]

If you want busted try ww

[bold dune]

we have an AMT in the raid sometimes since someone got one on his alt

[ornate aspen]

Good lord

[fervent beacon]

Smacked a TB rogue in 17+ lower kara, feelsgoodman

[bold dune]

yeah idk they're apparently pretty good on like every fight but we don't have a decently geared WW in the raid for comparison

[round harbor]

Yeah I've played a few classes at a top level

Ret, enhance

[lone junco]

@fervent beacon prob. lower is a cleave show

[round harbor]

Never been good at rogue but I like to think I'm semi-notshit

[bold dune]

I intuitively feel that a SnD rogue with good pantheon uptime could consistently beat a WW on ST though

mobile xd

[polar light]

Good pantheon uptime lol

[lone junco]

12% is nice

we are lucky to get 2

[polar light]

Just look at warcraft logs top ratings to see if they can consistently beat wws

[bold dune]

I mean there's like two ppl that play outlaw

and a billion that play WW

so yeah

[polar light]

No that's not true

[round harbor]

I beat our ww's on every fight except kingorth

[bold dune]

orly do you think I'm being a little hyperbolic

point is that a lot more competitive players play WW compared to SnD

[lone junco]

arent there like 850 mythic outlaw logs

[ornate aspen]

Outlaw 2018 lawl

[polar light]

That's because ww is better

We can't keep up

[jovial kite]

same exact thing with exsang vs tb

[bold dune]

holy fuck your reductive reasoning is going to give me a migraine

[jovial kite]

also tb is max potential

[ornate aspen]

Does it really matter at this point anyway? Progress is over

Play whatever its all a meme now

[lone junco]

life is a meme

[polar light]

There are still like 3 survival hunters though lol

[bold dune]

nah it doesn't matter

[polar light]

Who have killed argus

[bold dune]

Kenny have you killed argus

[ornate aspen]

3 surv hunters killing argus isnt bad considering only 12 people play survival total

Those are good stats

[bold dune]

one of our hunters wanted to clear mythic as surv

it was cool until coven

and he was banned from that meme spec on argus

[calm grail]

I think one of those survival Hunters is on my server

[round harbor]

burritoj pumpos harder than like 99% of this discord lmao

same with velrathma

[calm grail]

That's some goddamn dedication

[ornate aspen]

You can tell survival is designed like shit when the alpha rework has all their abilities at a 40 yard range

[polar light]

Velratha is a beast

[ornate aspen]

How to fix the melee hunter: make it ranged

🤔

[round harbor]

not evenb

[polar light]

I mean

[round harbor]

make it as easy as every other spec in the game

[polar light]

Unholy was half ranged for all of nighthold

[round harbor]

its like 4 times the buttons as any other spec besides spriest

not not rewarding

id be fine with it aslong ass a hard spec gives great numbers. but it doesnt

[ornate aspen]

Its needlessly complicated all around

Thats what happens when you build a class around a shallow gimick

[lone junco]

thats what I felt about outlaw TB fishing with shoulder bracer.

like ugh ugh ugh yay fuck these bracers.

and broke the 1 key on my naga

[shrewd oriole]

@lone junco finally got second leggo on hunter

prydaz boys

got double bis

first 2, insta bis

[lone junco]

I got 1 shitter on hpal (shoulder). then got judge ring sephuz and belt.

gooood to go

I keep forgetting about BM. they get a battle rez right?

[wise frigate]

Pretty sure any spec can get a brez pet these days

[lone junco]

its the reason im working on lock. I hate M+ without a rez.

pally/rogue/rshm/mage+ sure does suck.

[warm parcel]

only bm still has exotic

[lone junco]

drums are cool. once there is a clicky brez that doesnt require Engineering, Ill be happy

[calm grail]

Engineering is life.

Shut your mouth.

Are those pesky imps in Court of stars casting things? Sure, you could play a class that has AOE silence or interrupts, or you can just toss a god damn grenade down.

[shrewd oriole]

You could play a good faction

[calm grail]

🤔

What if you play a good faction and were a master of engineering

[shrewd oriole]

That has aoe interrupts

🤔

[calm grail]

So what you are saying is that a blood elf engineer is the master race?

[shrewd oriole]

Engineer / enchanting blood elf

[warm parcel]

has to be male

dont forget

[shrewd oriole]

The superior race

Nah female belf has a superior ass

[calm grail]

I'm an engineer and an enchanter, I don't think I will have a problem with ore next expansion for engineering.

[shrewd oriole]

Female belf engineer enchanter

[calm grail]

Do the enchanting matts usually make you enough to pay for ore?

[shrewd oriole]

That’s the true bis race

[wise frigate]

@warm parcel i know only BM gets exotics, but I thought they added some non exotic brez and lust pets

[shrewd oriole]

For sure

[wise frigate]

I haven't really played my hunter in Legion though so not sure on that.

[calm grail]

It's too bad Gathering professions aren't Baseline, as if my character forgot how to use a mining pick all the sudden

[warm parcel]

well youre also playing lone wolf

[shrewd oriole]

Everyone need enchants

[warm parcel]

which disables call pet

[wise frigate]

Survival is a spec too! Kind of...

[shrewd oriole]

Lmao

[calm grail]

I think a lot of engineering's best items are already there, but I'm still excited for the transmog pad.

Mmm

[shrewd oriole]

Only an outlaw player would call survival a spec

[calm grail]

Who needs the mount when you can just drop that bad boy down inside.

[calm grail]

No more fashion emergencies ever.

[shrewd oriole]

The truth about outlaws is here

[wise frigate]

Shit, our secret is out.

[lone junco]

@warm parcel warlock in prog.

[warm parcel]

8/10

[lone junco]

the hat is from my vanilla priest. made me smile to see it.

got it in Gnomer in like 2004?

havent been a clothy in 12 years?

[chrome stag]

hey guys if someone can advice me quickly. I know there is a pvp room but it's quite empty. I raid assassinatino 90% of the time but want to do some bg's and world pvp for fun with my rogue.. what is the better pick, sub or assass? I have all legos on rogue and can play both spec quite well

[wise frigate]

#pvp

[lone junco]

@Heart#2872 sin is good in 3v. thats all i know.

[chrome stag]

ok mate, thx

[prime void]

Mornin

[calm grail]

That booty icon never gets old

Where is that from, I need it for research

Is that you? Are you a trap?

[lone junco]

Def an ass. Might be a dude ass.

[shrewd oriole]

Mizu is def not a girl

[calm grail]

Oh I figured that, but I want to know about the icon.

[keen inlet]

I don't know that i've encountered a gril on here who had a rl female avatar tbh

sometimes characters etc

[shrewd oriole]

Rogue is least played class

[keen inlet]

I know of several who don't talk about being female or reveal it in any way

[shrewd oriole]

Plus it can’t be a healer

You really think

Females play rogue

[keen inlet]

They do 😉

[shrewd oriole]

Go on priest, Druid or paladin diacord

[placid egret]

Hunter doesn't have a healer spec

[shrewd oriole]

Seriously tho, I’m willing to bet Druid has the highest % of female players

Not only is it the most played class

But trees n shizzle my nizzle

[placid egret]

I know more girls that play hunter than another class.

[ionic charm]

3 girls in my guild are priests and druids lol accurate

[shrewd oriole]

Really?

[placid egret]

Yee

[shrewd oriole]

We have 4 girls in my guild

1 resto Druid, 1 feral, 1 eng whammy and 1 priest

[keen inlet]

One woman in our guild is dwarf warrior

[placid egret]

In my guild for this xpac we have 2 hunters had a 3rd. 1 shaman. 1 paladin. Had 1 rogue. Had 1 druid

[keen inlet]

another is shaman

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve only ever met 1 female who played hunter

[keen inlet]

in honesty

it's probably pretty mixed!

More than the stereotype.

[placid egret]

Probably.

[keen inlet]

we used to have two women hunters, and two women DKs

(they moved on to more serious guilds and/or quit for college etc)

we have a female warlock...

[shrewd oriole]

I talk from personal experience

Most females I’ve met were druids or priests

[keen inlet]

actually if I think on it, I think the only class I can't personally say I knew was played by a woman was mage

[shrewd oriole]

Oh I’ve met a female mage

[keen inlet]

and I'm sure there are female ma--oh, you know what, nope. Just thought of one. Nevermind

heh

[placid egret]

Tbh thinking more in detail a lot of the girls I knew leveled everything to max level.

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve never met a female rogue, warrior, dk, DH, monk

Uhh

Think that’s it

[polar light]

@keen inlet Don is secretly a woman

[wise frigate]

My ex plays monk. Guild has a hunter and warlock.

[keen inlet]

I am secretly a woman, secretly Ion, secretly Lore

I am mysterious

[wise frigate]

Back in a WoD our main tank was a chick who played DK

[shrewd oriole]

Hey ion

Ion

Ionnnnnnn

Can you fix outlaw

[keen inlet]

That's not his job 😉

my

his

???

[shrewd oriole]

Doesn’t he have the final word on stuff

[prime void]

Ive met a female of every class and spec

Theres a surprising amount out there. A lot just dont tell people they're female

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

It’s hard not to say you’re female when on voice comma

[sand whale]

and some get "are you really a grill or a 12 year old boy" treatment

[shrewd oriole]

I convinced my guild that my 12 year old brother playing fortnite was a grill

[prime void]

Most females ive met dont talk much or just keep mic muted

[shrewd oriole]

For a solid 2 hours

[sand whale]

we've got 3 in our guild all druids, fitting the stereotype 😛

[shrewd oriole]

Knew it

[prime void]

Ive never been happy with the attitue of 90% of the females I've recruited

[shrewd oriole]

The girls in my guild

Get benched a lot

And are so entitled

Female enh whammy complaining she wasn’t in for argus and aggra like what

Your spec and you suck

[prime void]

Mhm.

[shrewd oriole]

[novel island]

My daughter plays feral

[prime void]

Thats my experience aswell

[shrewd oriole]

Same tbh

Lots of guys like that too

[prime void]

Yeah definitely

[shrewd oriole]

But def feel like it’s a bigger % amongst women

To be entitled and whiny

[chrome stag]

if u cared about end game and parses seriously you wouldn't play rogue like ever

[sand whale]

our ones are okay they just have a habit of not reading raid assignments

[shrewd oriole]

What???

[sand whale]

we see a lot of triple tranqs

[shrewd oriole]

What kind of dumb comment is that

[prime void]

That was some brain dead comment

[shrewd oriole]

Rogue is historically the most consistent melee

Present in nearly every world first

[novel island]

Mines 11/11 she does very well

[shrewd oriole]

What are you on about

[prime void]

Tom

Why feed troll?

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah probably lol

I took the bait

[chrome stag]

i'm not speaking historically, i'm speaking this patch, rogue is not top tier melee dps spec

[shrewd oriole]

[prime void]

Tom im single boiiii

Lets hit the bars

[shrewd oriole]

Alright

Lemme just hop on a plain

[sand whale]

my hats to your daughter @novel island not many ferals I know stuck with feral

[shrewd oriole]

Dhde jmma be in Brazil

[prime void]

Come to vegas?

[shrewd oriole]

Cmon over

[prime void]

Come to vegas

[shrewd oriole]

@novel island Idd man props for her playing feral all the way through

And not getting benched

@prime void I’m not 21 tho

[prime void]

We benches ours

Lul

[sand whale]

"daddy will kick some asses if you're benched"

[shrewd oriole]

I mean yeah

Feral is not great

Does nice damage bht so does enh

I don’t get why their roar is so bad like blizzard cmon

Why do you hate cats

we are afraid to give dps good utility cuz we made the mistake of making aspect of the Fox

Blizzard sometimes

It’s either 8 or 80

No middle ground

[round harbor]

My new computer background

[shrewd oriole]

Wait I’ll get you a few more @round harbor

[prime void]

.Yo

But why does FoK only give one cp

[vestal wren]

because you play the wrong spec

[shrewd oriole]

@prime void when do you use tb?

[prime void]

depends on the situation

Its really whenever I feel like it tbh

[marble hemlock]

there is no tb when you spec alacrity 🤔

[vestal wren]

or play sub

[prime void]

fuck alac

lel

[shrewd oriole]

fuck sub

Irl

[loud niche]

when should i be using envenom? 4cp?

is there a WA to cycle me thru my rotation?

[marble hemlock]

📌

[loud niche]

i have all of notters

?

[polar light]

Read the guide

[marble hemlock]

my "check pins" reply was aimed at your first question

[loud niche]

what am i looking for? i see the rotation. im asking if anyone has written a wa to do what bitten's spell flash used to do

ah i see

[marble hemlock]

and, i dont mean to sound elitist but, why would you want a weakaura or addon that basically plays the game for you?

[civic palm]

https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/aethysrotation

Is a rotation helper.

Totally not biased and totally not an AD for an addon made by someone influential on this Discord.

[vapid moth]

God I love penis

[echo estuary]

same

[civic palm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/girl-finger-SYGkVEBAhm0g0

[loud niche]

bc min-maxing is how you play WoW, and i want to always have perfect rotation?

[echo estuary]

only my own though

[civic palm]

Because a rotationhelper isn't going to get you a perfect rotation.

[vapid moth]

Another computer background for you @round harbor

[civic palm]

Because a rotationhelper more-than-likely isn't planning for boss mechanics, and because a rotationhelper probably isn't designed with your brain being a potato and adding delay.

[vapid moth]

Rotation helper? Is that like some sort of handicap?

[civic palm]

A literal crutch.

[marble hemlock]

its like hamburger helper basically

[civic palm]

inb4 LEMMESEEYERPARSESTHENNOOB

[marble hemlock]

you can live off of it

but what kind of life is it gonna be

[vapid moth]

You do realize that just cause you have a handicap doesn't mean you're suddenly the best right?

[marble hemlock]

i mean

[civic palm]

Better parking though.

[marble hemlock]

first of all, that

[loud niche]

lol /wave

[polar light]

/wave?

[civic palm]

👌

[loud niche]

as in baiiiiii bi7ch

[polar light]

goodbye dumb dumb

[vapid moth]

Watch out

[marble hemlock]

second of all, if you compete in your own handicap-region then

[vapid moth]

Dumb dumb might be under the warning words list

[marble hemlock]

you coudl be the best there, yes

also

[vapid moth]

True

[civic palm]

Last I checked;

The raid difficulties didn't include Handicapped.

[marble hemlock]

if getting a rotation-helper makes you the best, and everyone can get a rotation helper, wouldnt they all be the best, thus none of them are the best anymore? 🤔

[vapid moth]

What's lfr then 🤔

[civic palm]

An impossible pain.

Clearly.

[marble hemlock]

also, using numbers as letters is so 2010 isnt it?

[vapid moth]

Point remains. Getting a helper doesn't make you instantly better than the guy without a helper

[marble hemlock]

probably even earlier than that...

[civic palm]

S33ms l3g1t.

[vapid moth]

Lmao

Dude had that prepared

[civic palm]

W1ll h3lp y0u l3arn 4 r0tati0n t0 beg1n w1th th0ugh.

[marble hemlock]

probably a macro

[civic palm]

Not a macro :3

[dull osprey]

What do rotation helpers do? Just tell you when to press a button>

[marble hemlock]

yes

[vapid moth]

Basically

[civic palm]

Usually a visual prompt for next best action.

[marble hemlock]

they basically pop an icon on your screen to tell you what button to press

or just flash up that button

[vapid moth]

They're pointless

Just go to the dummy

And practicr

[civic palm]

Also, in the terms of Aethys' there is a queue included.

[marble hemlock]

theyre not really pointless

[civic palm]

So you can see what might be coming up.

The problem there being the queue can change depending on CP generation.

[dull osprey]

Holy god, people actually use that>?

[civic palm]

Some do.

Some ask for them.

[marble hemlock]

if you want to use them to get into complex rotations without the fear of fucking up majorly once you change specs/classes

its fine

[civic palm]

Imagine that.

[dull osprey]

I just spend an hour or less learning the rotation

[marble hemlock]

since most of it becomes muscle memory quickly

but if you plan on using it to do the thinking for you

[civic palm]

Well yaknow...

[marble hemlock]

thats kind of... not good

[shrewd oriole]

Baiiiiib7tches

What a literal spastic

[marble hemlock]

you know

i didnt want to say it

[civic palm]

S1N 15 th3 h4rd357 5p3c 7h3r3 15.

[marble hemlock]

but im glad someone did

[shrewd oriole]

How do people like this not choke on their own saliva

[vapid moth]

I still say. 15 minutes on the training dummy is the most effective way to learn a rotation

[marble hemlock]

hey

heyheyhey

i still do that on occasion

[shrewd oriole]

HEY HEY HEY

[marble hemlock]

everyone does.... i hope

[shrewd oriole]

BIT CONNECCCTTTTTTT

[civic palm]

I dunno Prince Tahm, not all of us have a maid either.

and we're clean people.

[marble hemlock]

do you guys not choke on your own spit sometimes?

[shrewd oriole]

@civic palm sounds to me like you’re jealous

@marble hemlock sometimes when I’m doing cardio

[marble hemlock]

or when youre drinking and breathing, some of it gets into your lungs and it hurts?

[civic palm]

I have the money to hire a maid :3

I'd rather have a different kind of maid though > _>

[marble hemlock]

or does that happen to everyone? i need to know

[dull osprey]

@marble hemlock I 100% do this and feel like a complete idiot

[shrewd oriole]

😉

[marble hemlock]

im relieved

[civic palm]

I once gargled mouthwash at the WRONG ANGLE.

[shrewd oriole]

Nah it happens

[civic palm]

and that shit invaded places.

[marble hemlock]

you didnt think existed?

[civic palm]

Anyway yeah, why do you think Aethys even made that addon to begin with?

Clearly someone wanted it.

Actually;

was probably just a coding project.

hmmm

[marble hemlock]

i mean

addons like that have existed forever

[civic palm]

Yeah but this is constantly updated.

[marble hemlock]

still remember our enhancer using one that basically did everything for him back in bwd/tofw/bot

[civic palm]

and in reality, 240k DLs ain't that much.

[marble hemlock]

and it was extremely precise and netted him 95+ parses

[dull osprey]

Maybe the only way I could justify it is someone learning a rotation to commit ti muscle memory

[civic palm]

I need a fucking LAST SPELL CAST icon for WW cuz parries and other SHIT.

But that's not really a rotational thing.

[marble hemlock]

can probably make a wa that flashes your screen red when something got parried

and another flashing text with "YELL AT TANK"

[civic palm]

or just an icon of the last spell cast.

I track GCD to help with it and have a like, 99.5% Hit Combo uptime but missing it like...

twice... has triggered me.

[marble hemlock]

i dont actually know how monk works

i only know its broken

[civic palm]

You just weave abilities.

Never the same thing twice.

[marble hemlock]

and everyone should feel bad for playing it

[civic palm]

all spenders take no NRG.

[shrewd oriole]

Cmon man

Monk was shit for two years

[civic palm]

Sure was.

[shrewd oriole]

Let them be good for a while

[civic palm]

Looks great now and going into BfA.

[marble hemlock]

so is justin bieber

doesnt mean he deserves to make good music now

[civic palm]

Bieber is a fine human being > _>

[dull osprey]

Is there notes on changes to classes yet?

[polar light]

I like monks.

[civic palm]

For BfA?

[dull osprey]

anything big like combat turning into outlaw?

[civic palm]

There have been 0 patch notes for BfA.

[dull osprey]

yeah

dooks

[marble hemlock]

whats outlaw?

[civic palm]

All datamined information.

[shrewd oriole]

What’s an outlaw

[dull osprey]

A spec for gambling addicts

[shrewd oriole]

Ah

Fair

[civic palm]

c0mb4tR0gu3

[marble hemlock]

does it get to open lootboxes?

[civic palm]

No but yes?

[polar light]

@marble hemlock Outlaw is the Argh spec

[marble hemlock]

probably gonna be a new lv100 talent for combat

[shrewd oriole]

The truth about outlaws is out

[marble hemlock]

lootboxes

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t let the mods silence us

[pseudo ore]

best levelling talents for first 2 tiers?

[civic palm]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

How fast do things die?

There

[pseudo ore]

pretty fast as it is, I guess. But the energy regen makes it feel slower on like pulls with 2+ mobs

[civic palm]

Don't really have the NRG for Subterfuge.

and EP is too low of a Duration.

[shrewd oriole]

I’d go subterfuge

It’s the better talent even sub 110

[civic palm]

Mmmm, Shadow Focus might actually be fine for leveling.

[shrewd oriole]

Cuz no shoulders

Shadowfocus is p bad

Subterfuge is amazing

[pseudo ore]

Well, I've got 3 levels til the second row

[shrewd oriole]

Specially if more than 1 target

[pseudo ore]

Thanks for the info

[shrewd oriole]

I wouldn’t level as assa tho

[pseudo ore]

<3

[shrewd oriole]

Assa is o trash for leveling according to Jose

[civic palm]

Garrote, Garrote, Garrote... STAND AROUND.

[shrewd oriole]

He suggest outlaw or sub in his guide

[civic palm]

SUB is pretty insane for leveling.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[pseudo ore]

I'm going to because I want to be ssn at level cap and it makes more sense to learn my abilities as I go than all at once

[shrewd oriole]

So much mobility and burst

[civic palm]

and OTL ain't bad @ 100.

[shrewd oriole]

@pseudo ore you won’t have any problem learning assa

[marble hemlock]

what a noble and naive goal you set yourself

[shrewd oriole]

Trust me

[marble hemlock]

im genuinely impressed

that people like this still exist

[shrewd oriole]

Not to mention

[civic palm]

Nothing is the same between leveling and 110 > _>

[shrewd oriole]

Classes sub 110 play nothing like they do at 110

[marble hemlock]

it does make sense to already have hotkeys in place and everything

[pseudo ore]

Untrue.

[shrewd oriole]

So you’re just wasting your time really

?

[civic palm]

_>"

[shrewd oriole]

No leggos no tier

????

[civic palm]

no Golds

[marble hemlock]

than to switch to the spec you plan on playing with once you ding 110, and have like 20 buttons and you dont know where to put them

[pseudo ore]

the leggos and tier don't make enough of a difference, the classes still play very similar

[civic palm]

Nah.

[shrewd oriole]

@marble hemlock all rogue specs have the same ish abilities

[pseudo ore]

Plus having my actionbars set up already is nice.

[civic palm]

Damage output is hilariously different.

[shrewd oriole]

No they don’t

[marble hemlock]

cant you toxic people leave this innocent person be?

[shrewd oriole]

You’re crazy if you think specs play remotely similar lmao even in regular world content they don’t

[marble hemlock]

hes actually trying to not just breeze through levelling as fast as possible without learning anything about his class

[shrewd oriole]

Ah yes let me put my rupture up on this quest mob

[civic palm]

I mean maybe as SUB they might play the same > _>

[shrewd oriole]

Oh wait it’s dead

?!

[civic palm]

MUT dead MUT dead... hmmm

[shrewd oriole]

[civic palm]

MUT dead... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

MUT DEAD HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[shrewd oriole]

HMMMM

[pseudo ore]

lmao

[shrewd oriole]

meanwhile sub one shots with shadowstrike

[manic vigil]

[shrewd oriole]

And moved on

[civic palm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hmm-hmmm-l14qxlCgJ0zUk

[shrewd oriole]

@civic palm I love you right now mize

This is too funny

[civic palm]

Yeah at some point SUB just nukes w/e it's opening on.

[pseudo ore]

you guys are a riot
It makes more sense for these discord servers to have actually helpful people than elitist jokesters though, so I'll be on my merry way with the info I came for. Thank you! <3

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[shrewd oriole]

Uh

Njce elitism mize

[civic palm]

Come back @ 110 when things are the same.

👋

and please...

the other guy is Mize, I am Miz.

Come on.

[dull osprey]

I played sub for a while raiding. I will say, seeing 7mil+ crits were satisfying

[shrewd oriole]

Imagine being this narrow minded

7M? Small dick crits

[civic palm]

18M or bust > _>

[shrewd oriole]

More like 25M

[civic palm]

Gimme your gear fucker.

[shrewd oriole]

Yall have shit gear

[marble hemlock]

i have 7mil envenoms during opener when concordance procs

[civic palm]

8M Env > _>

[shrewd oriole]

Same

[civic palm]

get 210% mastery

[marble hemlock]

well, 9mil if everything is up

anyway

[shrewd oriole]

I have 150% mastery in sub gear

[marble hemlock]

i also had 9mil envenoms during nighthold with AP

[dull osprey]

Listen. I’m a baby dicked

[marble hemlock]

😦

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve seen dfas for 25M LUL

oh no elitist guy is typing

Hide

[dull osprey]

Jesus fuck

[pseudo ore]

I have a 110 rogue by the way
levelled him as outlaw, wasn't bad. I found it fun while levelling. Went sub at 110 and he's been ilvl 780 since he hit 110 in nighthold.

[civic palm]

He's the pleb, we're the elitist, get it right.

[shrewd oriole]

Oh sorry

[pseudo ore]

YEA I'M THE PLEB

[shrewd oriole]

Thanks for sharing man

[pseudo ore]

wait what

[civic palm]

Gotcha.

[marble hemlock]

[pseudo ore]

lol

[civic palm]

booya

Sucker

[shrewd oriole]

Is this an AA group or something

[manic vigil]

[shrewd oriole]

Hello my name is Tom and I play rogue

[pseudo ore]

I haven't played my other rogue lol

[marble hemlock]

what does aa stand for?

[civic palm]

:3

[shrewd oriole]

Cool dude

Thanks for sharing

[pseudo ore]

LOL

[shrewd oriole]

LOL

[dull osprey]

Lol

[civic palm]

Alts Anonymous at this point.

[shrewd oriole]

Advanced altruism

[marble hemlock]

rofl

[civic palm]

Murica.

[manic vigil]

altruism ftw

[shrewd oriole]

Hey guys I have a rogue and he’s boosted 870 green gear but I’m pretty much a rogue expert

So stfu

[pseudo ore]

pff

[marble hemlock]

have you been using a rotation helper though?

it could make you the best quickly

[manic vigil]

I like trains!

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[civic palm]

l i l

[shrewd oriole]

But when do you cast TB?

[prime void]

...

[marble hemlock]

cant be a rogue expert

when he isnt specced into alacrity 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

😦

[pseudo ore]

combat best spec

[shrewd oriole]

True that

[pseudo ore]

CHANGE MY MIND

[marble hemlock]

depends on what expansion combat youre talking about

mop/wod was really great

wotlk? not so much

[pseudo ore]

wrath

[marble hemlock]

yikes

[civic palm]

Vanilla.

Newbies.

[shrewd oriole]

Yikes

Wrath combat

Anime avatar

[manic vigil]

anything in vanilla

[shrewd oriole]

Wants to level as assa

[civic palm]

Back when WoW was PURE and your abilities were on GCD.

[pseudo ore]

Vanilla ret pally best spec change my mind boi

[shrewd oriole]

Truly an advanced specimen

[pseudo ore]

I'm a lover not a fighter

but uh

throw hands boi

[shrewd oriole]

@marble hemlock wod combat was a top tier spec

[marble hemlock]

yeah

i really enjoyed wod combat

[shrewd oriole]

Yep

They changed it for no reason

[marble hemlock]

or mop for that matter, they were basically the same anyway

[shrewd oriole]

[marble hemlock]

they had a reason

class fantasy

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[civic palm]

Blizzard truly wants us to return to the promised land by putting BF on GCD and making it have a Cooldown.

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t get why rename the spells but keep the class the same

[marble hemlock]

because someone thought that class fantasy is important for a few specs, they shoehorned one into every single one

[civic palm]

Eh make things sound like a complete package.

[shrewd oriole]

Sub shadow ninja btw

[civic palm]

Minor thing really.

[marble hemlock]

sub cant be ninja

ninjas are assassins

and were assassins

and were not sub

[pseudo ore]

we're*

[shrewd oriole]

[civic palm]

wtf is that language?

[shrewd oriole]

Feminism

[manic vigil]

[civic palm]

Literally backwards.

[pseudo ore]

doesn't this channel have some kind of meme chat you guys can shitpost in

and more importantly

[marble hemlock]

yeah

youre in it

right now

[pseudo ore]

that I can shitpost in

[manic vigil]

don't make me ping giggle

I'll do it

[civic palm]

I will tell you from years of experience;

[manic vigil]

[shrewd oriole]

Assa chat is the shit post channel

Why do you think I’m here

[civic palm]

that the moment someone asks a not-idiotic question... we jump on it.

[shrewd oriole]

[civic palm]

Instead of them.

[marble hemlock]

has that ever happened?

[civic palm]

If they asked an idiotic question.

[pseudo ore]

they get memed

[civic palm]

Yeah all the time.

[pseudo ore]

I noticed