i ran it a while back. granted my crit is pretty high, so that condition was probably rare. but was like 0.5% loss.
#assassination
lone junco
so doing it a few times here and there to adjust for fuckups is nbd
esp with lots of mut3 conditions
shrewd oriole
elegiggle
gilded lark
So far off the original question i forget what it even was
dire spoke
lmfao
shrewd oriole
we are at teh stratosphere by now
lone junco
I find myself casting envenom at 3cp
gilded lark
Wonder what it's like for him to click the little "blocked message" box everytime i type
shrewd oriole
to get it inside tb
lone junco
in a full entire APL of 3env, its not that bad
gilded lark
Because you know he's reading it
lone junco
if a full apl of >=3 is not a huge loss, then the occasional is also not a huge loss.
but that was my point.
dire spoke
why would you bring rupture into context 
lone junco
because it applied to both 3cp env and 3cp ruptures
gilded lark
dire spoke
Well
gilded lark
Sums it up
lone junco
there is a lot of "gospel" that doesnt really matter. sensitivity etc.
there is probably a best rotation, but if you get in the scenario where you didnt have enough E going into the TB. for 3, is a 3rd at 3cp bad or good?
scarlet hawk
Lol
Easy enough to say "avoid" but it'll happen eventually anyway.
And it's good to know how you then optimize in that situation.
dire spoke
I figured you can't always avoid it, when you have to refresh rup and TB is Off CD right then. It feels kinda crap to pool after rup
scarlet hawk
lol
gilded lark
lone junco
ok. thats fun. my >=3cp rupture >=4 Env is a gain over >=4cp rupture >=4 env
0.2% gain, but still fun
shrewd oriole
gilded lark
lone junco
and Full 3cp 3nv and 3cp rupture was 0.3% loss.
I wont aim to use at 3cps, but to jerk about gospel is silly.
fleet whale
Good poison bombs can make up for that loss
lone junco
good poison bombs are the diff between 5% and 18%
as this is average. that is already accounted for.
spare cloud
I got an EoC
lone junco
950?
spare cloud
940
lone junco
thats prob on par with a 955 dogs?
dire spoke
could be josh
primal moss
why is the opener Toxic blade then kingsbane?
tulip grotto
I open with kingsbane, then cast tb with 9 secs remaining on kb
primal moss
right thats what i try to do
dire spoke
don't wonder about green logs then
primal moss
?
tulip grotto
?
astral sundial
Hey everyone, I still mess up a lot of basic stuff but listening to all the advice I get here helped a lot: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HDzdKwWcrVQBANFG
next step is not to die to shit
so just wanted to say thanks ๐
shrewd oriole
dire spoke
there is your play, you can go through bosses by yourself https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HDzdKwWcrVQBANFG#fight=6&type=casts&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24140900546.0.0.Rogue%24false%2432645^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24140900546.0.0.Rogue%24false%24192759^0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24auras-gained%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24192425&view=timeline&source=9
shrewd oriole
Kappa healing ranks
spare cloud
And next run
astral sundial
@spare cloud I tried not to use it on fight with adds, but it is my strongest single target setup
astral sundial
38% with crit food -_-
strange python
oh jeez
shrewd oriole
lul
astral sundial
I finnaly got coven hands but raidbots won't allow me to use them ๐ฆ
strange python
dirty, im hoping to get some mythic t20 this week for bleed
was supposed to pug it with guild but fell asleep
oops
astral sundial
I think before I go farming bleed gear I better master the simpler setups
no point getting this 0.5% dps increase if I can't play it
primal moss
is there a specific thing to know if bleed or poison is better for you at the time?
I couldnt find anything in teh guide
supple hearth
sims
primal moss
ah
lone junco
bleed needs a bunch of shit. poison is fine with boost gear + shoulders.
primal moss
I also think I have way too much haste lol
lone junco
prob.
astral sundial
that is alot of haste
supple hearth
yeah thats wayyyyyyy too much haste
get rid of anything that has haste pretty much
replace it all
primal moss
well im only IL 926
lone junco
run stat weights and use pawn.
primal moss
needing to get that higher just so that I can get into better mythic +s
lone junco
then put your haste heavy stuff in the bank.
astral sundial
your gear will get replaced real fast then, I wouldn't worry about it that much
supple hearth
oh ya i dont even start worrying about stats until im like 950ish on alts then I start to actually aim for specific pieces
supple hearth
belt is nice for wpvp/outlaw mage tower
primal moss
lol
lone junco
18% of your total damage or so
primal moss
thats actually hillarious
shut pasture
guys I read up on the guide and I also inspected several top tier rogues
primal moss
gotta find an extra ring now
shut pasture
we want no haste at all right?
astral sundial
I still dream of the imaginary breakpoint where haste+crown+boots lets you cast so many KB and vendeta it's worth it
lone junco
it is alacrity
still bracer boots, but it pushes KB around with high Env uptime.
need high crit. but there are a few that sim highest with that
key to all the builds are crit. get some or use shoulders.
astral sundial
I thought I kept realy high envenom uptime with my current build
but looking at vari it's only 88% : /
what kind of uptime I should aim for on EP? had 95% there and I thought I heard someone talking about 98% or so
lone junco
sure
95+ ep is good
some say they can get like 98 ep 98 env.
i havent, but it could be a thing
astral sundial
hmm I think I still clip alot cuz I am used to shoulders
strange python
lock is so dumb lmao i stand in so much shit
fleet whale
enjoy it while it lasts lol
strange python
i was checking the alpha out, haunt looks like itll be a nice addition to the spec
steep obsidian
yeh maybe asking a specific question?
2 vendettas is a dps loss because you still have to hold cds if thats what you mean
steep obsidian
yeah id probably just go vendetta and then hope to get a 3rd bth
lone junco
970 relic swapped for a 955 at a wash. boo.
steep obsidian
:\
lone junco
besides 2ma is still fine with bracer boot options
lament pawn
have 3x malch
steep obsidian
relics suck ass
fleet whale
I have three balanced Blade traits on my weapons... Maybe not as good as vendetta but I do like how it plays
lone junco
meh.
lament pawn
So i should keep my relics as they are
lone junco
anything less than like 0.5% better be from bis to better bis
fleet whale
ew... refractive shell
lament pawn
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steep obsidian
๐ฆ
strange python
15% vers and 15% avoidance on gear
lone junco
:\
strange python
๐
fleet whale
you have feint, vial, and cloak for that
steep obsidian
actually on very high m+ keys avoidance is amazing
cheat only helps ya every 6 mins ๐
fleet whale
I was talking more about refractive shell
astral sundial
@lone junco maybe you can explain to me something about 2 MA cuz I feel I am overlooking something basic. if I don't use mantle or exsang, isn't the fight time in the simulation is the thing that realy makes the results weird as I change MA relics?
steep obsidian
yeh
lament pawn
yea ref shell is awfull
fleet whale
I remember people were saying that the Crimson Vial trait was shit cause it wasn't a damage trait... Ends up being very useful in like everything
lone junco
@astral sundial if you are not exang. and not using shoulders, then vanish is just for vanish rupture or vanish garrote. it is far far less impactful
astral sundial
shouldn't then MA be straight out the best trait?
lone junco
so if you delay your vanish to align with vendetta, you may miss out on a whole vanish for the fight, but if it isnt contributing a huge % then its not a big deal
astral sundial
but how do I simul this properly? do I just make it a really long fight so +/- vendeta cast won't count as much?
lone junco
delaying the vanish for vendetta in 6/7 causes your 3rd vanish to fall off at 5mins.
but since the sims are from 4-6 mins, it is highly dependant on fight time.
spare cloud
Outdmging 974 Windwalker monk as assa in upper kara ๐ค
lone junco
sin is great in upper?
spare cloud
Yeah and windwalker is weak.
supple hearth
ilvl meaning anything these days
lone junco
you may have pugged a shitty ww too
spare cloud
Ilvl is still a pretty decent indicator
spare cloud
Not as much as it used to be
lone junco
maybe he forgot to spinny kick.
steep obsidian
good
spare cloud
we had to retry endboss 4 times
Last try I had an 8 M opener
And we skipped everything first and second
lone junco
end boss upper?
lament pawn
isnt it the same with assa rogues?
lament pawn
ppl want sub
lone junco
we lust on the second platform
strange python
difference in that is sin is still pretty good
spare cloud
What
lone junco
and double glaives the trash on 3rd
strange python
the other 2 warlock specs are dog anus
spare cloud
Sin is still strong in some dungeons
steep obsidian
depends on what you want for the gruop and how high key is
spare cloud
on tournament realm its arguably the best rogue specc
but nobody plays rogue anyways
lament pawn
i mean i get into pug only at tyranical week
steep obsidian
like i find sin really fucking good in cos
but you need enough reliable aoe for imps
and stuns
or you are fucked
lament pawn
i always top dps as a single target in m+ but i lack on aoe
spare cloud
but I get in most 20 or higher I want to get in
I play both speccs though
but i dont see how they want to check up on that quickly
steep obsidian
we have a ton of be and engineer in the groups i run with
spare cloud
because my armory is always sin
steep obsidian
so interrupts getting off not normally a big deal unless we suck
steep obsidian
well when it procs its nice ๐
shut pasture
Agility=17.51, CritRating=12.85, HasteRating=7.37, MasteryRating=19.98, Versatility=14.36 is that a normal looking string?
astral sundial
that is a low IL string?
dire spoke
fervent beacon
void pecan
Gratz
shrewd night
Selfpromotion ๐คข
lilac spade
meh
primal moss
is any of the specs heavily changed in BFA
gaunt moat
!warn @lilac spade for self promotion of twitch channel
chrome tuskBOT
Alright, @lilac spade has been warned because 'for self promotion of twitch channel'.
plain thistle
๐
lilac spade
thought you guys were bored
void pecan
I'd rather him banned.
round harbor
Sin is fine in m+
gaunt moat
@lilac spade np. but we do mention that in the rules
round harbor
If you get declined cause you arnt sub that. You probly don't wanna be in that group anyway tbh
lilac spade
sure thing
plain thistle
we are, but self promotion still not allowed ๐
lilac spade
big changes to sin are the haste buff to bleeds and poisons
primal moss
whats the buff? that you get more ticks based on haste?
gaunt moat
sin on BFA feels bad imo. and i hope it's because it's lacking haste/neck traits
the energy regen is painfully slow
that you can barely get to use envenom before you need to refresh rupture
lilac spade
yea
primal moss
how about combat and sub? (I refuse to drop combat from my vocab for rogue lol)
gaunt moat
also i'm partly fucking it up cause i'm trying to use vendetta and i forget there's the GCD thing and it's not being used
supple hearth
@gaunt moat what feels good
lilac spade
@gaunt moat I'd like to see a BfA discussion channel if possible
void pecan
just talk here.
strange python
heres to hobing sub feels good trying to maximize EW
primal moss
I would love sub to be really good and not so punishing lol
gaunt moat
@supple hearth i haven't tried anything but assassination. so i can only compare how it is vs live
supple hearth
@lilac spade not necessary to have one
gaunt moat
@lilac spade we can just talk in this channel. like 80% of the time people are talking about off-topic stuff cause there's nothing else major to talk about at this point of the expansion
supple hearth
anything sin related can be here, sub in the sub channel - mog in the mog channel - bfa pvp in the pvp channe l etc etc
lilac spade
thats fine...just didnt wanna spam the channel
marble hemlock
why is there no alacrity emote?
strange python
all sin channel does is meme and bitch about parses at this point in the expac
lilac spade
lol
lone junco
round harbor
Yo so if warlocks corruption slow is 60% and sin crippling is 60% why do people not bring more sin rogues on necroti
civic palm
Because you could just bring more warlocks?
round harbor
? Real answer?
civic palm
Why could my answer just not be the real answer? Bring more locks.
lilac spade
locks have better cleave
vapid moth
Sin aoe is trash. Too reliant on luck
lilac spade
yup
round harbor
For lower keys I'd agree
lilac spade
i do like the BfA changes tho
vapid moth
Meanwhile locks do some magic voodoo bullshit and shit pops a second later
round harbor
For anything above 20 I disagree
lilac spade
im curious how low keys differ from high keys
vapid moth
Rawr people in here say the exact opposite
lilac spade
RnG is RnG
round harbor
Longer the mobs are alive the stronger sin gets
plain thistle
because you dont need P bomb to do good damage
yes, you cant compete with MM hunters. WM monks , etc etc
round harbor
Yes
lilac spade
you do need PB for good cleave dmg and thats what we are talking about, right?
plain thistle
but you can still do really good AoE damage without poison bomb, if the mobs live long enough
round harbor
@lilac spade the thing is you don't thiugh
lilac spade
.........
round harbor
I do 3-4m aoe without pbomb
Two Target double rupture?? Not many classes two Target as good
Even though we burn one down with vend/kn
lilac spade
still behind the others tho
civic palm
2... targets... hmm
lilac spade
the question is - why bring a rogue when you can bring X?
round harbor
With double rupture, double garrote, vend kb one one Target. Almost nobody is gonna do more dmg in that time frame
Be ause rogue is good
civic palm
When and Where are there two long living targets?
round harbor
Immunity, feint, Shadow step, shroud, st burst, aoe mongo potential
civic palm
outside of like... Coven
lilac spade
my WW is better at M+ hands down
plain thistle
yes, thats becuse WW monk right now is the king
round harbor
Yeah sap, kidney, blind
lilac spade
i raid Sin and M ww
vapid moth
Lol
round harbor
As far as our utility rogue is much better than ww. We just does so much dmg it's brought to everything
civic palm
Being tougher is a good thing, being able to Blind a casting target as a last resort is nice.
But that's extremely niche.
vapid moth
We still talking lower keys?
round harbor
No
lilac spade
15 sec cd incap is better than blind
round harbor
I don't mess with lower keys
plain thistle
WW is better for mythic plus for sure, AoE stun with huge damage, ofc it will be better. that doesnt mean rogue suck
round harbor
Litterally any class can be good in lower keys
vapid moth
Monks have aoe stun? I need to make one smh
void pecan
leg.. sweep..
lilac spade
ww or rogue...ww everytime
lilac spade
yup
round harbor
Scrotox it's not every time
plain thistle
yes , but that doesnt mean rogue sucks for mythic plus
just that WW monk is better and currently too good
lilac spade
WW>Ele Sham>Lock>Shadow>Warrior>Hunter>DK>Boomkin....rogue
plain thistle
ele shamn? no
round harbor
Your just wrong dude
vapid moth
It's all situational
civic palm
Nah same skill, otherwise tiering doesn't work.
vapid moth
If you have 2 ranged on the team and neither of them are locks but you still need that slow for necrotic who will you pick?
civic palm
A shit player is shit on every character.
round harbor
The fact you even said ele is the second best is mongo
plain thistle
for mythic plus comparison you cant put ranged and melee dps in the same pack, you need to compare then individually
and for sure, elemental shaman isnt the best ranged dps for mythic+ , not even close
nimble tartan
Vengeance the best melee spec
round harbor
Isn't it om_r?
void pecan
Where's musclebro when we need him
calm grail
BetaTom?
round harbor
Just never seen ur name without the line
plain thistle
round harbor
I mean veng is best melee for brh between second and third boss
lilac spade
according to raider io Rogues are the least represented at the top of the pile
says alot, right?
round harbor
Not at all
civic palm
I mean we went from SUB being excellent to being mediocre.
We're more-than-likely just not popular.
vapid moth
That's still situational
civic palm
Due to there being obviously stronger options.
round harbor
Mdi won't be much rogue cause it's all lower mongo keys
20 maw speed clear btw haHAA
civic palm
Such a joke atm =\
round harbor
not a joke, just rogue doesn't fit that meta
lilac spade
crimson tempest is back so maybe we'll be back to our old glory
civic palm
No I mean the dungeons are a joke.
round harbor
They don't have the dmg profile for it
civic palm
CT ain't great atm.
lilac spade
agreed
civic palm
and with PBomb on a much higher proc rate it probably still wins.
calm grail
20%Pbomb in BFA will be $$
$$$
civic palm
and hopefully we get on a side of the fence where we get damage and not tons of procs.
calm grail
Take deeper stratagem make it 24%
Woooo
Before the slight nerf on Thursday, could you imagine having a 30% PB chance?
Waowowow
vapid moth
PB every envenom
warm geode
ik im new at the chat, but the only 2 ways the i think crinsom tempest would be viable is : 1ยบ bleed damage is insane with new mastery 2ยบ hast scale bleeds way out of proportion so 12sec dot could be 6sec
vapid moth
Lmao for real
warm geode
new at this conversation
vapid moth
Ya ain't slick
nimble tartan
What if they removed pb and made it replace crimson tempest (cause CT gonna suck probably) and it became just an aoe finisher that would do damage per cp
I'd play that
calm grail
Hey shut up
vapid moth
That won't happen
shrewd oriole
I'd play that too
calm grail
I like unpredictable RNG that feels good
shrewd oriole
but doubt that happen
warm geode
they could make CT to venomous wounds to T_T
vapid moth
Why are you all hating on CT though. Wouldn't it fit bleed builds?
shrewd oriole
it's p shit atm
calm grail
Well I think with the new Mastery, you're supposed to have a much more diverse dmg portfolio.
warm geode
only rupture and garrote can gain energy from poisoned targets
dense blaze
Is poison bomb good class design?
vapid moth
I like poison bomb
warm geode
hell no
vapid moth
When it hits
calm grail
It's stellar
vapid moth
The sounds lmao
warm geode
can be good, ppl could like but say "good class design" ?? hell no
calm grail
Pray
prime void
Its bad due to variance.
warm geode
^
vapid moth
I still like the idea that PB should come in charges
civic palm
It's bad due to there being too much variance.
calm grail
Make it like brutal slash
civic palm
On top of the damage being too great.
calm grail
Problem solved
calm grail
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civic palm
There's too much hinged on it proccing, reason we see the changes we see on BfA.
nimble tartan
Itd be fine if it qaabt possible to make up like 15% of your damage with procs
Like it's just too much damage
vapid moth
They could make it like gorshalachs legacy and have make a chatge every time you applied poisons 10 times or so
nimble tartan
If good proc amounted to 5% of overall than you're just like hey nice
vapid moth
Hold up to 2 charges
warm geode
the major problem with poison bomb RNG is, poison bomb is the only AoE the we have, if we could have 33% AoE damage from PB 33% from the poison and 33% from another controllable skill, would be nice pb
calm grail
@vapid moth I got one better.
Once you stab your enemy a certain amount of times, they vomit from all of the poison they have been contaminated with.
Boom
vapid moth
But what if your team is dumb
And they kill it first
And it doesn't vomit. Cause it's dead
calm grail
If you use toxic blade it proccs it early.
vapid moth
I still like my idea more but I'd play yours
warm geode
just make vendetta a buff and we use CT ๐คท
dense blaze
TB for an immediate poison bomb, I like it
calm grail
That would actually make toxic blade more interesting too, because you could have a reason to hold it instead of just using it on cooldown.
vapid moth
TB could also give you 5 stacks with my method. Make it better for ST
prime void
Make tb do that and you've destroyed that row
dense blaze
Could also summon a dragon that does AoE fire breath
vapid moth
Several people are typing
nimble tartan
Vial system crimson vial (heal) verdant vial (aoe poison on use) blue vial (rogue innervate for healers targeted) all on shared CD
calm grail
Let's be real, we aren't like warlocks we don't really have Alternatives, I'm okay with a row being destroyed
nimble tartan
In my new vial system
calm grail
I don't really like having to think
nimble tartan
Pay me
warm geode
one thing the was talked about was pb is a pressable skill, but, only can be pressed if proc so u can have a stack, pb would have max of 2 or 3 stacks, so u still have the rng BUT u can kinda controll in a certan window
prime void
Ep tb mp alac exs
shrewd oriole
exactly
prime void
Tf
prime void
We dont have reeplacements?
vapid moth
PB procs when mobs are at 2% hp
calm grail
You know what would really be wild? If they made OL a ranged specialization
prime void
You trippon
shrewd oriole
no lol
dense blaze
You never kill the boss on 15% pulls in my experience
shrewd oriole
melee classes with ranged specs
calm grail
Only Noobe plays bleed Miz
shrewd oriole
always suffer the same problem
the ranged spec is always the best spec
cuz they're ranged
hunter, druid
shaman
warm geode
im playing bleed for fun now xD
calm grail
That's okay though, because well be playing the class at least.
vapid moth
Hunter isn't a fair comparison though
prime void
You probably do kill on 15%. Youe parse is just still bad. So you dont notice
vapid moth
They just butchered survival
naive sphinx
is it worth a few seconds of downtme running between targets for double ruptures? (in the case that ur tanks arent the best and keeps things far apart?)
shrewd oriole
that's just a dumb thing to say nira lol
it's n ot like rogue is bad
@naive sphinx on hounds or what?
dense blaze
Same to you Miz
naive sphinx
hounds, sisters etc
shrewd oriole
I usually on multidot when I have shadowstep
naive sphinx
er coven
vapid moth
@naive sphinx shadowstep, sprint
shrewd oriole
on coven idk, I'd only do it when I have step
vapid moth
Or vice versa
shrewd oriole
in my guild they are tanked within fok ranged
so I can just rupture both with no downtime
prime void
Yeah bro
naive sphinx
thats the dream
prime void
My parses are ass
shrewd oriole
ye lol
naive sphinx
ok ive been using sprint/step
prime void
Kappa
shrewd oriole
2.6M dps on coven
naive sphinx
just wondering if its worth it
shrewd oriole
feels good man
naive sphinx
feels like it with the extra energy
prime void
Depends are they close enough to fok
naive sphinx
no one is usually in uganda
shrewd oriole
fuck me sideways daddy
shrewd oriole
on dogs I only do it when I have step
if I have step I usually wait for rup to be ending on my target
prime void
^
naive sphinx
what about just sprint?
shrewd oriole
I dont like just sprint
prime void
No
naive sphinx
i was trading between step and sprint
shrewd oriole
personally
prime void
Itd be w loss
shrewd oriole
napkin math but yeah
the downtime doesnt feel worth
and cba simming such a specific scenario
just going off my feelycraft
naive sphinx
well yeah feelycraft tells me that even a little bit of downtime is pretty bad
shrewd oriole
talking about downtime, finally managed an orange parse carrying 3 orbs on M Pk
vapid moth
When your guild can't even give you one night to pad your logs
vapid moth
Well I was referring to his logs so
prime void
Point stabds
shrewd oriole
I think he was talking about me ahaha
@vapid moth yeah, havent been allowed to log on pk ever :x only once
my parse today didnt beat that one parse I got but it still felt nice to get orange doing orbs
shrewd night
Did you parse on Heroic tom 
prime void
Arent you all 99s
spare cloud
I'm horny for parses
shrewd oriole
@shrewd night nah dude M
slim estuary
Oi, what settings for eonar sims?
prime void
๐๐๐๐ค ๐ค ๐ค
shrewd oriole
@shrewd night my heroic logs are done now
slim estuary
well are we changing to aoe leggos and glaives on eonar or parying for PB?
shrewd oriole
it's eonar
spare cloud
You specc sub on eonar
vapid moth
For dps or progression?
shrewd oriole
vapid moth
Sugar free jello is some nasty ass shit
Who would fucking make such a thing
As if jello has a lot of sugar in the first place
shrewd oriole
decided to get nitro so I can up my emote game
slim estuary
How do I view what gear a player was using for a particular report in WCL
hazy iron
PapaG from the oce fb page?
slim estuary
Nah PapaG from the russian cs go page
hazy iron
For wcl you click on a player and then go to summary
slim estuary
Cyka Blyat
dire spoke
hazy iron
I remember you cos you were hellbent on getting an EoC to replace your 960 fangs
slim estuary
Actually im hell bent on getting a shadow relic to replace my 940 shadow relic
hazy iron
Good luck with that
hazy iron
Yes, it's solid on single target fights. And as I said, you'd need it to titanforge 950+ for it to be useful
strange python
imagine wanting to have to use an EoC
every time i do upper i pray it doesnt drop
strange python
actually trolling aside id much rather use dogs than eoc
vapid moth
I'm not done trolling.
985 haste gear with a socket and speed or to the trash it goes
OK now I'm done
strange python
EoC is a shit trinket design imo
vapid moth
Half the trinkets are shit design
strange python
and the whole mouseover rupture not counting as changing targets being nearly mandatory with the trinket is ๐ค
vapid moth
I like mouse over rupture. That macro was life changing
I already don't play with a mouse so clicking was already annoying
unique oracle
yo, how much % mastery should u get ?
spare cloud
As much as you can ๐คท
tacit bay
how tf is this possible https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cL732pbC1hTDjqdZ#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=8
to go a raid boss with 0 PBs
plain thistle
R N G
tacit bay
thx legit made me quit rogue now
spare cloud
Happens
Chance is not even THAT low
with only 36 possible casts
I saw that @manic vigil
spare cloud
I need a game I can play all the time
manic vigil
calm grail
Fortnite?
spare cloud
No
manic vigil
spare cloud
smth that doesnt require as much attention
spare cloud
Like smth you can relax while playing
I've tried chess but learning chess is too taxing
spare cloud
Yeah.
calm grail
Checkers?
spare cloud
No I mean smth thats relaxing
manic vigil
you could play with yourself ๐คท
calm grail
Yeah.
spare cloud
I'd play hearthstone but I cba to buy cards and shit
manic vigil
yeah HS is fun but keeping up with stuff is annoying
manic vigil
well if you keep playing you can get all stuff in-game as well but once you stop for a while rip
manic vigil
that's why I don't play anymore
it's not easy to find a game you can play a lot for an extended period of time tbh
most games nowadays are supposed to be consumed quickly
calm grail
This WoW expansion was p good.
manic vigil
I guess so yes
spare cloud
Yeah but for example I can't do what I want to do at all times in wow
manic vigil
true
spare cloud
Like atm I want to farm good gear on my rogue
manic vigil
raiding in WoD was okay actually idk
spare cloud
I want to grind for an EoC which I can't do because there are no groups at this time
manic vigil
I just came back to wow though so I was in a different mindset I guess
spare cloud
WoD had 2 of the best raids every existing ๐คท
calm grail
That's unfortunate, it's a relatively good week for upper.
manic vigil
yeah that's the mutli player aspect of wow toph 
annoying isn't it
needing other people and shit
spare cloud
Yeah well
manic vigil
you could play PoE? still need to trade with people
spare cloud
Requires too much attention
manic vigil
fair
spare cloud
Same as with chess
spare cloud
Yeah but learning to efficiently gear and how to level, what items to use/sell what is trash and so on
just takes time
I'd like smth that is like hearthstone
manic vigil
it does yes
calm grail
D3
manic vigil
yeah d3 could work
spare cloud
Just without the p2w aspect
manic vigil
that does require attention tho
but that would be a good idea yes
become the smartest of them all 
spare cloud
Well I have time saved for that already
And in my off time I dont want to think about it tbh
manic vigil
casual
spare cloud
You learn better if you get your mind off those things for a time ๐คท
at least I do
manic vigil
top3 world mathematician or gtfo
spare cloud
Don't have the iq for that
manic vigil
lies
manic vigil
well you could still try as hard as possible ๐คท
spare cloud
If you do something professionally the off time is even more importan
manic vigil
I knew people who just were addicted to studying/working like I am to gaming
pretty solid if you can get yourself there
dense blaze
It's called vyvanse
uneven quartz
Hi all, just got 3 shadow relics in a H. ABT run. 1 (940), 1 (950), 1 (955). So, where should I go to compare these? Is raidbots my only option?? This is for the first relic slot obviously.
spare cloud
Why would you need anything else when you got raidbots?
manic vigil
you can use the cruicible weights but I don't see the point. Just sim the relics
turbid harbor
Hi all, I just added 2 + 2, is 4 my only option?
manic vigil
toxic sub rogue
spare cloud
Thats not a good example.
uneven quartz
I laughed at that, nice
spare cloud
Well you already know about raidbots
turbid harbor
๐
spare cloud
which is nice
turbid harbor
but yea use raidbots
spare cloud
So use it to the full extend
manic vigil
what's your trouble with raidbots? you don't like it? Or do you need help?
spare cloud
its the best resource you got for that
uneven quartz
Yeah, was thinking might be something diff., and I use raidbots, ... patron as well
spare cloud
then you're gucci
manic vigil
absolutely
bleak turret
Finally got the Training Shackles, so my Assassination rogue, is complete.
unique oracle
How much % crit should i have ?
manic vigil
a fuckton and then some
spare cloud
As much as you can get
unique oracle
ok
spare cloud
You already asked the same for mastery
unique oracle
y
spare cloud
What different answer do you expect?
bleak turret
I get mastery, i have over 200%
unique oracle
is mastery>crit?
manic vigil
depends
spare cloud
bleak turret
Its a DOT spec right, so you want your poisons and bleeds to be as powerful as possible
supple hearth
deja
vu
bleak turret
I use Sholders/Bracers
manic vigil
spare cloud
Now that I think about it
as voidelf my ring setup simmed close to poison
maybe its ahead now because of crit
manic vigil
I actually simmed mantle insignia today to see how much I lose during progression (not getting to 30% yet)
turns out it simms just as high ๐คท
spare cloud
I have an exact itemlevel of 975 with my fang
runic crescent
@manic vigil why not just go mantle/boots?
spare cloud
I dont want to use my eoc
runic crescent
depending on the progression you have that shot at squeezing another vendetta in
manic vigil
runic crescent
@manic vigil Oh on immonar, I would not recommend gaming your leg setup
it's very possible to be struggling on immonar and get into the final platform with like 5 or 6 DPS dead and still get a kill
you want really want to have bracers on if that happens
manic vigil
fair enough
spare cloud
manic vigil
but we just started and died at the second bridge crossing most of the time
so it was w/e
runic crescent
Yeah, sure. But once you are consistently getting to the 2nd platform 2nd time
get them bracers on
manic vigil
yes, Sir
runic crescent
my guild actually got to 0.1% the first time we got to the 2nd platform again
spare cloud
Yeah better progress with items you dont use for the actual kill
So you make it harder on everyone
once boss is in killrange
Seems like a good idea
manic vigil
wtf
manic vigil
I actually didn't get that toph 
runic crescent
I have question, pretty sure it's not covered in the guides? Does anyone know if it's a DPS gain to hold TB if KB is up to sync it so that TB is up for the last 9 seconds or whatever of KB?
spare cloud
It is covered in the guide
runic crescent
THink he just says TB on cooldown right?
bleak turret
Eye of Command on the end there?
runic crescent
10+ times. 80% + mythic parser
don't recall it being clearly addressed in tye guide
bleak turret
Im too lazy to get that, I use seeping scourgewing
spare cloud
runic crescent
CUrious if anyone's ever simmed delaying TB like...no more than 5 seconds to catch the last ticks of KB
runic crescent
Maybe i just don't want to face the truth
sin is such a mongo spec
perfect for baddies like me
strange python
wait whats easier than sin
spare cloud
Affliction
strange python
tru
vapid moth
EoC is literally the easiest trinket to farm for
spare cloud
dk
manic vigil
I mean I get the argument. But I find it more enjoyable to have to click stuff more often (read: hammer shit on cooldown) than the whole sub thing of having it all together and rotate between super sayan deeps mode and residentsleeper waiting mode ๐คท
spare cloud
in my opinion
manic vigil
affliction is not faceroll either imo. I struggle with massive multidotting for instance. Might be a interface flaw tho
manic vigil
ST is not hard but the lack in mobility (ie movement hurts) sucks
turbid harbor
burst is cool
spare cloud
You have to think less for affliction i think
Like its pretty straightforward
assa isnt always that straightforward
manic vigil
maybe toph. But I sometimes let agony drop off a target and that's like sudoku for your deeps
spare cloud
On huge aoe you just seed anyways
manic vigil
that might be yes
spare nebula
just barely killing 3rd add set on m kingoroth 
manic vigil
you have to kn ow where your dots are at so to speak. what to do is always clear
(keep em up ^^)
turbid harbor
yea but you're melee and you don't want to be dotting other targets with cds on your main target
so it's more complicated
manic vigil
where do we have to keep buffs up on 4 targets tho. can't reach em on coven for instance ๐คท
runic crescent
fury is a way more complex spec than ppl think
manic vigil
and even then, having rupture drop on 1 of 4 targets is nowhere near as big a deal as losing your 15agony stacks
runic crescent
it's not like, rocket science, but it has way more depth than arms
manic vigil
still fun in aoe 
spare cloud
Yeah playing a perfect FR arms was easy as fuck.
runic crescent
way harder than sin
sin is just more forgiving with how you use your CDs I think. It's all basically on cooldown
spare cloud
Yeah as fury you macro bloodbath into battlecry and use them at the same time
runic crescent
I actually hugely prefer sub, but i just can't get the numbers with sub I do with sin
spare cloud
But well, complexity is just personal opinion anyways
runic crescent
sure
spare cloud
I mained warrior for 2 expansions so ofc I find it easier than a specc I just recently started actively playing
runic crescent
yeah when you play one spec and really commit to it, it all becomes second nature
as long as you train yourself to do shit correctly
spare cloud
The thing with assa is though
You might not delay your cooldowns
but you delay your other abilities to fit with your cooldowns
so its kinda the other way around
spare cloud
Not only that
runic crescent
not sure what else you mean?
spare cloud
Planning ruptures ahead so you dont have to refresh during kb for example
runic crescent
oh, yeah
spare cloud
envenom timings to fit kb
You dont just spam your abilities on a priority list when they are up
is what im trying to say
Like you do as for exmple
as fury
or as arms
runic crescent
biggest challenge with arms imo is fucking surviving
with that 3 minute garbage personal
runic crescent
in mythic raiding? wut?
spare cloud
also warrior is good mobility to get out of stuff
runic crescent
sure
one of the weaker classes for survivability though. for me anyway
I've found my monk, warr, and DK far more survivable
runic crescent
meant to say rogue
runic crescent
yeah. I really wanna switch to monk main in BfA
but I know i'm just straight up gonna die more in high keys
spare cloud
But as arms you can pick defensive stance for example
basically is a 20% dmg reduce withotu cd
runic crescent
yeah that's true. overlooked talent, actually required for high keys
spare cloud
Ofc
runic crescent
but look at it this way
if you are like, solid player, able to really play clean in high keys
on a rogue that just frees you up to take the ffeint talent instead of cheat death
spare cloud
You can for example take cheat death to make it easier for your healer on a specific boss
for another class
that maybe doesnt survive as easy
Yeah well rogue is ahead of every other class in terms of survivability anyways
runic crescent
yeah, I just always have this urge to main a hybrid
runic crescent
I mean if you don't, then you got it made
spare cloud
Well I tanked cenarius in progress
spare cloud
but i dont really consider that tanking
Well tbh most higher level guilds dont search for classes anyways
rather have someone who plays one specific type
So the class doesnt really matter to me
or if its a hybrid / isnt
if anything I prefer hybrids because they are less work
runic crescent
yeah but with hybrids you will run into tiers where they are garbage dps
runic crescent
yeah
my plan is to sort of have the rogue vaguely geared, ready to go
in case of a garbage monk tier
dire spoke
I don't like fotm reroller
runic crescent
ya I'm gonna main monk, alt mage
spare cloud
No
runic crescent
curious to see like...say 940 T20 2 piece
with that setup vs bracer/mantle
unfortunately my best t20 is 920 and 930. was raiding on my warr
dire spoke
that's what my EP also sims
dire spoke
yeah
spare cloud
Hm lets see bracers boots
dire spoke
brazzers?
manic vigil
good shit