assassination

[jovial kite]

Goodguycrunch

[light jacinth]

🥒

[vernal adder]

[warm parcel]

https://i.imgur.com/cUwSgat.png

🤦

[vestal wren]

reminds me on the crit addon

[warm parcel]

but this one is even incorrect

[vestal wren]

true

[shrewd oriole]

@warm parcel he’s playing with alpha already

LUL

[cosmic pier]

the m+ grind finally pays off

[sharp viper]

i just wish there was the option to blare an airhorn to everyone in my raid once my pb procs 🤔

[zealous dew]

@gaunt moat mute him

[warm parcel]

There is if you want to use malicious was

[shrewd oriole]

Really?

I want that

John cena air horn every PH

Pb*

Or the bit connect guy

[vestal wren]

just play it through your mic

[sharp viper]

i meany ou can just make a weakaura specific to your rogues pb and distribute it to your entire raid disguised as part of another weakaura group

[warm parcel]

yep

[lapis ibex]

@sharp viper I see what you did there and LIKE IT!!

[digital cliff]

Is there a required % on haste/versatility as assassination?

[gaunt moat]

no

[digital cliff]

Ok, cus im at 10% haste and it feels kinda low

[gaunt moat]

haste doesn't affect almost anything for assassination

[digital cliff]

Aight

Been playing outlaw the entire expansion until like 2 days ago, so kinda new to the new stuff in ass

[gaunt moat]

i recommend checking the guide linked in the pins or header of this channel

[frosty linden]

im chillin at 2% haste lol

[digital cliff]

I did, checked most stuff already

got 4set t20 bonus, vigor, shoulder legendary but missing bracers/boots

so using insignia of ravenholdt atm in the meantime

also poison specced

128% mastery good?

[gaunt moat]

that's pretty low.
use raidbots to help you determine your stat weights to figure out how to gear yourself

[digital cliff]

oh shit ok

[keen inlet]

As sin you want as much mastery as possible, and crit will help smooth out your gameplay.

Mastery, Crit.

You want no haste

(this changes if you go bleed but that's advanced for higher gear etc)

[digital cliff]

i got 34% flat haste atm

but using eye of comand aswell

goes up to 39-42% crit atm

alright will take this info with me

tyvm guys/girls

Oh actually 1 question

Do i reapply garrote/rupture AFTER dots have expired or just before they expire?

Dont wanna miss out on 1 extra dot to tick, not sure if they changed that or?

[gaunt moat]

from the guide:

Rupture
4 CP available – reapply at 6 seconds (or lower) remaining on the existing rupture
5CP available – reapply at 7.2 seconds (or lower) remaining on the existing rupture
6 CP available (DS) – reapply at 8.4 seconds (or lower) remaining on the existing rupture

Garrote
tier 20 2set – reapply at 5.4 seconds (or lower) remaining on the existing garrote
no tier 20 2set – cooldown extends maximization window on ST, reapply whenever suitable without dropping```

[digital cliff]

missed this, ty

[hexed mango]

If u are using WA from notter it starts to flow when u can refresh. Highly advice to try it

Glow*

[gilded lark]

34% haste

holy shit

[digital cliff]

oh shit that was a typo

i mean crit

lul

[gilded lark]

i was gonna say

that was

[digital cliff]

HAHAHA

[gilded lark]

alarming

[digital cliff]

yea thats idiotic if i had that much

10% haste, 34% crit*

[gilded lark]

R word

[gaunt moat]

!warn @digital cliff using slurs

[chrome tusk]

Alright, @digital cliff has been warned because 'using slurs'.

[digital cliff]

sorry didnt know ❤

[light jacinth]

@warm parcel https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/c4vnCjtJh78aNdp1#fight=1&view=analytical&type=damage-done

just get this lucky

😏

[jovial kite]

couple spots tomb mythic

clearing 8/9 as usual

[shrewd oriole]

@jovial kite going now?

[lone junco]

No one cares about KJ? Or too hard to pug?

[jovial kite]

not worth going to kj

[vapid moth]

What slur word did he use?

Idiotic?

[warm parcel]

Assa is all skill 🤔

@light jacinth

[limpid reef]

Hi! Is bleed build viable atm if my highest aspirations is pugging normal antorus?😊 ty for any answers😁

[shrewd oriole]

Yes

[vapid moth]

Further your aspirations

[shrewd oriole]

Everything is viable if you just wanna do normal

[limpid reef]

Ahh sweet! I will further my aspirations to hc in a while! But haven’t played in like 5 months so going easy for now 🤣

[vapid moth]

Good luck then

[wicked valve]

I have 175% Mastery with 4 set at Ilvl 972. If I switch two pieces, I flop to 189% Mastery but fall to 968 ilvl. Simcraft says the 972 set produces more dps. Can anyone confirm? Seems like a lot of mastery to miss out on.

[torn token]

You gotta link your sims

[hidden merlin]

hey guys got a question is it adviced to refresh the bleeds before the kingsbane phase or just do it (when needed) while kingsbane. couldn´t find an answere in the guide thats pinned in the header

[cosmic pier]

before if possbile, you want to maximise envenom casts during kingsbane

[hidden merlin]

ah ok and while kb is active i just spam 4+ cp kingsbanes right?

envenome*

sry

[cosmic pier]

yup, spam 4+envenoms, use CDs etc

[hidden merlin]

nice thanks for the answer

[cosmic pier]

not refreshing garrote isnt the end of the world since its just 1 gcd to refresh, but rupture can get a bit awkward as your energy drops, having to use 2-3 gcds

[shrewd oriole]

@hidden merlin using rupture inside KB is fine as long as you don’t drop envenom

You also don’t particularly wanna spam envenom during KB, you wanna ensure 100% uptime

What that other guy said is partially incorrect

[hidden merlin]

you mean the uptime of the to buffs envenom grants?

[shrewd oriole]

@wicked valve follow sims. Mastery isnt be all

@hidden merlin yes.

[cosmic pier]

Envenom itself and Surge of Toxins

[hidden merlin]

ok thanks for the answers guys

[shrewd oriole]

Np

[wicked valve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6DPC7GvLjnScFxwNyUZ5qm

[cosmic pier]

I mean the sims tell you all you should need to know. With the gear you have the extra mastery isn't worth as much as a bit more crit and less haste. Just becasue mastery is the top priority stat doesn't mean it's the only stat that adds DPS, crit plays a decent role in your energy regen with 4pc t21, which can help sustain your damage due to not being energy starved

[wicked valve]

Ok, thanks for all the insight. I just fall slightly behind other rogues in my guild on mythic prog who have lower ilvl and higher mastery. I guess they could just be better players. 😛

[cosmic pier]

If you have all the assa leggos it's also worth running a raidbots top gear sim with a bunch of different leggo + tier combos, as some legendaries pull ahead when you stats are at different points

even though they are lower ilvl, their gear is probably better prioritised.

you still have a fair bit of haste in your gear, which once reduced will really boost your DPS

[wicked valve]

Yeah, Im farming to try and get rid of those, but having little luck.

[cosmic pier]

You're simming at nearly 2.2mil, thats going pretty good. What kind of damage are you pulling on a single target fight?

also heres an example of testing out the different leggo combos, empty crown pulls way ahead for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ibG4ieLM7Rzzj2zRaPM5sh

[wicked valve]

Heres a link to one of my better fights in this weeks mythic run. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g9MyXL2awCKNTmZq#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=10

[shrewd oriole]

Dropped envenom during kb ✅ using envenom inside Tb ✅

[warm parcel]

casting rup inside tb doesnt mean its inherently bad

but if you lose an env due to it ye then

[shrewd oriole]

10 seconds of downtime

It’s not as bad as I thought it would be

But it’s not great

You have 4 crimson vial casts as well, 140 energy effectively wasted dps wise

That’s a lot

[wicked valve]

Yeah, definitely things I need to work on. Is that a breakdown of the felhounds fight? Trying to figure out why i'd have that much downtime.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah it is

Probably poor movement between dogs

Or not cloak the orb

Idk

[wicked valve]

Probably. Our guild likes to drop the firepools far away from the tank, so it could be that.

But, I REALLY appreciate all of you taking the time to look at my logs.

[shrewd oriole]

No problem dhde

[wicked valve]

And will take all of your advice into consideration.

[shrewd oriole]

In future you can just dm me

I tend to review majority of the logs around here these days

[wicked valve]

Ok, cool! I'm new here, only started raiding legit a little bit ago, still learning all the rogue things.

[shrewd oriole]

😃

[cold spoke]

Dont hesistate to use crimson vial tho its a good personal CD

[shrewd oriole]

Oh yeah for sure

[mild lintel]

Uh, hello

[wicked valve]

Yeah, I use it when I'm super low or i know a huge global is incoming. Trying to take some pressure off my healers.

[shrewd oriole]

But if you have a shit load of personal cd casts over the fight don’t be surprised to lose dps. I pointed it out as a dps loss not necessarily a bad play

Several good plays for the sake of survival and helping in progress are dps losses

@mild lintel sup dude

[mild lintel]

I just joined this discord. I main sin

[wicked valve]

Welcome!

[shrewd oriole]

Cool dude, welcome

[mild lintel]

Hey um, I use that heal during raids to btw.

[cosmic pier]

well if you're looking at logs, could you check out my M Worldbreaker? Only boss i can't seem to get a good rank on so far. This is one of my better logs, I do help with soaking the pools, but tend not to lose too much time on it. IDK what im doing wrong https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hfHRbnKWT7Xq9rP8#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=44

[shrewd oriole]

Alright, lemme dig in

Before I start, let me tell you

Garothi is a pure st fight so assuming you’re doing your rotation perfectly, a lot of it comes down to kill timer and Pb %

Imma screenshot all mistakes one by one and then send them here. At the end I can go over each one

I’m on mobile so it’s just easier this way

[cosmic pier]

as you can see from my overview this fight has always been hit or miss for me, my median is pretty eh https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/16292377/17#metric=dps

[shrewd oriole]

Boss went up

Alright I’m done

Your opener is wrong

[shut pasture]

why do I keep getting rogue tokens

[shrewd oriole]

Check the guide for the correct opener

[shut pasture]

🤔

[shrewd oriole]

You’re using fok on st

[vapid moth]

Rogue tokens?

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t do that

Don’t rupture inside TB

[warm parcel]

first boss isnt st

[shut pasture]

@vapid moth legendary tokens

[warm parcel]

and stop with the dont rupture

[shrewd oriole]

@warm parcel he used fok on st

[vapid moth]

Oh

Idk

[warm parcel]

Who ever said dont rupture during tb

[shrewd oriole]

It’s a dps loss lmao

Stop trying to correct me when you’re not even looking at the log

[shut pasture]

[slender lichen]

with 5 poison knife traits fok is a dps gain at 3CP at least in simcraft

[shrewd oriole]

I know garothi has a phase where it’s two targets. However he used fok several times on just the boss

[cosmic pier]

i see what he means guys dw

[shrewd oriole]

@slender lichen he doesn’t have 5 pk traits either

[vapid moth]

What was his dps

[slender lichen]

okay i assumed that he might have it

[shrewd oriole]

So did I, which is why I went check ahah

[cosmic pier]

2.135mil

[vapid moth]

Lmao

[supple hearth]

@shut pasture I got like 3 or 4 mage ones in a row and I don't even play mage >.>

[vapid moth]

Make a mage. More tmogs. Bam there's your solution

[shut pasture]

too bad my rogue is lvl 7 -_-

[cosmic pier]

If im using NS but not shoulders, should I be using vanish to apply rupture with NS buff? is there a way to compare that vs envenom in sims?

[vapid moth]

Or you can gamble

And use envenom and hope it crits

[shrewd oriole]

According to the guide, yeah

[warm parcel]

if you can edit the apl you can

[cosmic pier]

my gearset isnt exactly typical of what i see in guides, i know subterfuge is ~2k dps more, but i really dont like the playstyle for trying to manage the buff https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qx5Gx6hbDAKQyqWpoA761S

[shrewd oriole]

That’s a phat sim for how low your dps was

[supple hearth]

@vapid moth I technically have one at like 103 but I don't really find mage fun

[torn token]

-2k dps is nothing

[cosmic pier]

that garothi log is from a few weeks ago, ive gotten a few dank pieces of gear since then

[shrewd oriole]

Fair

[torn token]

and damn you

tf lord

[cosmic pier]

pretty much

when theres only 2 other really good melee in our guild its pretty easy to sphon loot

*siphon

[vapid moth]

God this is a boring ass spring break

[warm parcel]

So is there actually a reason for your foks

[cosmic pier]

bad habbits

[shrewd oriole]

[cosmic pier]

trying to add 1 more cp when i know i shouldnt

[warm parcel]

and the random 3 cp finishers

all over the place

[vapid moth]

Hey what does that blue color represent @warm parcel

[warm parcel]

you can see the roles if you click on my icon

and website is the purple/blue

[vapid moth]

Ok

[cosmic pier]

has anyone found the empty crown pulls way ahead for them? My highest tier head is only 950, so it's never really been wearable with my other pieces being as forged as they are https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ibG4ieLM7Rzzj2zRaPM5sh

I use shoulders only when the DPS from mantle buff is important, ie kingaroth for the add spawns

[marble hemlock]

helm+boots is bis for me, but thats due to having 985+socket shoulders/bracers with crit/mast

[supple hearth]

It all depends on what gear you have

[marble hemlock]

so yeah, it may sim better for you

as always, just sim to figure it out

[warm parcel]

you just answered yourself

assas legos are close

so any tf and youll use a diff piece

[shrewd oriole]

Idd

My highest simming for the longest time was shoulder head

[cosmic pier]

yeah i was using that for a while before i finally got more mastery and Malch relics

just waiting for a kingaroth relic for my 3rd MAch relic

Does rupture work with the vanish macro?

[shrewd oriole]

What macro are you referring to?

[cosmic pier]

to cast envenom as you vanish

or does that not work anymore

[torn token]

thats been fixed, if you are talking about

not breakign vanish

if you instant cast

an atk

[cosmic pier]

well i look like a bit of a tit then

[vapid moth]

It's OK. As long as you're a big tit

[cosmic pier]

I mean is there any harm to using it? Just ensures i'm not wasting any time at the least

[warm parcel]

no

[edgy pebble]

How much Crit shoudl you be aiming for?

[tacit bay]

Weakholder dat you?

[warm parcel]

ye why

[tacit bay]

yeee boi

<Boomtastic mage from Example together back in the HFC dayz

[edgy pebble]

Is there a specific crit number to be hitting before stacking just all mastery?

[warm parcel]

👌

Still playing?

[tacit bay]

I had a baby rip, so yeah but full casual

[warm parcel]

cool man

[shrewd oriole]

@edgy pebble not really.

[warm parcel]

waiting for bfa?

[tacit bay]

nice seeing some old face still playing

yeah seeing how it shakes out better to get back in at the start of an expac

[warm parcel]

start of xpac always best time

[tacit bay]

yeah so long as there is no 24/7 Azerite grind 8D

[edgy pebble]

@shrewd oriole I am only at about 27% crit but 203% mastery

[warm parcel]

Oh god please no

[shrewd oriole]

Complete x to get azerite

[edgy pebble]

@shrewd oriole should I gem some mastery out to get more crit for better combo point generation with mutilate?

[shrewd oriole]

Repeatable

@edgy pebble there’s no magical crit or mastery value. Just gem whatever your sim tells you is the highest value stat

[edgy pebble]

@shrewd oriole with shoulders do you use Vanish / Rupter or Vanish/Envenon? seems to be mixed respones on this

[strange python]

vanish envenom with shoulders

[shrewd oriole]

^

[sharp viper]

vanish envenom and you should be specced into nightstalker preferably

[edgy pebble]

okay thank you!

[spare cloud]

@shrewd oriole I have a decent ToS group here atm if you wanna come

[night wave]

can any1 direct me to gear selection for assassination rogue.....im new here.

[sharp viper]

raidbots.com

top gear

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud oh shit, how many spots? Doing avatar?

[night wave]

@sharp viper thank you

[spare cloud]

10 spots left for full group

So far there are many people with cutting edge so avatar might be possible

[sharp viper]

oh swee t summer child

people forget mechanics or how to handle them instantly

[strange python]

most NA groups just dip after host

or maiden

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud I have raid in 30 //

:/*

[spare cloud]

😦

[shrewd oriole]

Fbm

5 people missing cuz of mdi

Including our best healer

Gonna be monkaS

[spare cloud]

rip

[lethal heart]

what guild are you in tom

[shrewd oriole]

Pull ten

[lethal heart]

oh i see

[spare cloud]

He's being carried

[lethal heart]

😄

[shrewd oriole]

afk all expansion

comes in last tier to get ce

tom and toph

[spare cloud]

What

I progressed the whole expansion

[shrewd oriole]

Oh

[spare cloud]

except antorus

[shrewd oriole]

I didn’t

But yeah

Tonight is guaranteed to be a bad night

[spare cloud]

Unlucky

[lethal heart]

tos was nightmare to progress

antorus was weird

nh felt right kind of

and EN idk didnt evne play back then xd

[spare cloud]

I had fun in tos

tbh

[lethal heart]

i mean tos was skewed for me

[spare cloud]

Yeah well Nightmare was over quick

Helya was also over quick for us

[lethal heart]

since i was leaning towards sub at end of nh anyawy

[spare cloud]

we killed it before christmas

[lethal heart]

so it's super skewed for my money

antorus idk felt like 9/11 was literally free

[spare cloud]

But we're raiding 4 days in the first 2 weeks of the content

and then 3 days

so we've been dropping ranks at endboss

all the time

which is to be expected

[lethal heart]

if some people in my guild werent complete loot whores

we could've easily ended up 20-30 ranks higher

but well idc that much about ranks myself as long as its somewhat done in timely fashion

[spare cloud]

EN was all about legendary luck

pretty much

[shrewd oriole]

Idd

[lethal heart]

oh yea can imagine that

[shrewd oriole]

Sco with the two warriors

[lethal heart]

there must have been so many BAD PEOPLE

[shrewd oriole]

[spare cloud]

Like as warrior

literally

[lethal heart]

who did slightly better dps

just because of leggos

[spare cloud]

If you didnt get gloves

[lethal heart]

omfg i'd be absolutely mad

i'm glad i didnt play

[supple hearth]

Even NH had some legendary drama early on

[spare cloud]

you'd do like 40k sim dps less

[lethal heart]

tbh

[spare cloud]

which was huge back then

[lethal heart]

yep

[spare cloud]

gloves simmed like 40k ahead everything else

[lethal heart]

because in en you probably did like what

400k with bis items?

so thats like +/-10% dps

[spare cloud]

if you didnt get gloves you'd be benched pretty much

if another warrior got gloves

guess who got the gloves and who didnt 😭

[shrewd oriole]

Sub without boots

[lethal heart]

sin without boots

and 3 MAa relics

when they were 10 sec each

😄

[spare cloud]

Tanking on cenarius was fun though

[shrewd oriole]

True

[lethal heart]

if the relics stayed 10

and cof in nh

and 50 energy reduction boots

holy shit 100% vendetta uptime

100%

and vendetta was also better as vendetta trait refilled your energy to full

not 60 and 60

[shrewd oriole]

What was the cd for vendetta with 3 mass back then

[lethal heart]

which p robably isnt that big of a deal anyawy

2 minutes baseline

you had -30 base with 3 traits

-60 with 6 traits

and boots were better aswell

so idk probably like ~37 second for each vendetta i'd say

[shrewd oriole]

That’s insane

[lethal heart]

and then cof on top of that 🤤

[shrewd oriole]

Perna vendetta

LUL

[lethal heart]

but they nerfed boots and relics before nh

[spare cloud]

didnt even have a rogue back then

my alt was a monk

Because I was supposed to main monk because they were fucking insane in beta

[lethal heart]

i was memeing as enhancement shaman at the very very beginning

[spare cloud]

but then on live they nerfed them to death

[lethal heart]

but since it was so much rng

i just cba

i played rogue and monk was my split alt

[spare cloud]

On beta monk used to do like so much dmg

it was not even funny

[lethal heart]

i was about to delete my monk

when in late tos

they nerfed tier set

and i was doing negative damage

so they compensated for that by giving like 12% flat damage aura or some insane shit like that

[spare cloud]

Yah well in tos I was rogue

because avatar and kj

[lethal heart]

ww monk was still pretty cool to play on fallen avatar

when i brought in my monk to some alt guild

and serenity was meta

was really cool

[spare cloud]

Rogue was alright

but warrior was more fun

[lethal heart]

serenity lined up perfectly with every shield

[spare cloud]

you could do so much optimizing for specific stuff as arms

[lethal heart]

i cant remember how many times we wiped on avatar rekills because some monkey warrior was padding maaiden so much

BECAUSE SWEEPING STRIKES BOYS

omfg kys

[spare cloud]

we only had one warrior on avatar progress

havent had that problem

[lethal heart]

or during progress when people follow maiden like retards and just boimbard tanks with 10 unbound chaoses

👌

[spare cloud]

Oh yeah we had that

[lethal heart]

but well i had super free pass on avatar as rogue

i could do w/e the fuck i wanted as i had middle spot aanyway

so i always could just shadowstep and it was ok for me

[spare cloud]

I had right spot

so I couldnt follow maiden at times

[lethal heart]

yea

as middle spot man it was really chill to just follow maiden for shurikens

[spare cloud]

our rogues played assa

because bracers

[tulip grotto]

Hey guys am having some confusion on multiple target fights as sin, would be great if could get some enlightment

For example, on mythic coven i am to keep rupture on both hoes, but if envenom is dropping and so is rupture, which do i aim to keep up

[lethal heart]

i was playing only like ~400ish

so didnt matter what spec i played probably on avatar

probably the higher you go the better assa was

[tulip grotto]

Especially if toxic blades comes off cd it really confuses me

[lethal heart]

since crimson vial trait and some other stuff

rupture

[spare cloud]

You should refresh rupture on both dudes between tb windows

[lethal heart]

yes

and then spam envenoms for uptime during TB

[spare cloud]

Yep

You basically play like normal

just extra rupture on 2nd target

[tulip grotto]

Ok thanks

[lethal heart]

always aim for 100% garrote/rupture uptime

[tulip grotto]

On golganeth ads i forget about the bosses rupture

And on kaz i rupture 3 kaz ads then turn to boss

Boss' *

[lethal heart]

kaz is which one

lightning adds?

[tulip grotto]

Fire

Golganeth is thunder

[lethal heart]

hmm they arent probably of high priority so just rupture the closes one to you

and just dps boss

unless you struggle on them

[spare cloud]

You just dot the one next do boss

golganneth is not worth running to to dot

unless you dont drop anything else

[lethal heart]

i mean golganeth isnt bad to switch if you commit stuff like vendetta probably

[spare cloud]

Basically dont go out of your way

[lethal heart]

especially on progress and such

[spare cloud]

Just play it by the book

and do stuff when you have time

[tulip grotto]

Ok so on golg i should keep rupture on both bosses and closest golg add

Thanks

Its not progress but my pars is low on coven so

[spare cloud]

It also depends on how you guys are tanking the adds

[tulip grotto]

Just looking to improve

[spare cloud]

like for example you dont have to run across the room just for a rupture

if they are that far apart

[tulip grotto]

Na they are close

with electric add in between

Would you guys recommend running 2 pc 4pc for coven?

Got some sick 965 gloves t20

To spread garrote perhaps

[sharp viper]

yes

and wtf

[lethal heart]

965 t20 monkaS

[tulip grotto]

😄

[lethal heart]

bleed build viable

[tulip grotto]

Recently switched to sin, not to sure how i feel ab bleed

[shut pasture]

is a human better than VE for pvp?

[spare cloud]

Thats a question for the pvp channel

Maybe if giggle is lurking you can get some help 🤔

[shut pasture]

also I whats the least leggo reliant rogue spec?

I have 2 tokens idk what spec to choose

[spare cloud]

Probably assa

legendaries dont change how you play that much, except shoulders

[shut pasture]

without shoulders still unplayable?

[spare cloud]

Nah

[shut pasture]

@spare cloud nah not unplayable or nah unplayable?

[supple hearth]

answered in pvp

[tulip grotto]

On coven when the bosses are close is it better to fol or mutilate?

Fok*

Ofc i will mutilate second boss to keepy up poisons now and then if mutilate is the option

[spare cloud]

Not unplayable

In many cases not playing shoulder is better

[supple hearth]

Idk if i'd say it like that

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud

Fucking kill me

[shut pasture]

what are 2 worst legendaries I could get from two tokens?

[shrewd oriole]

I told you it was a bad raid

@shut pasture sephuz and prydaz

Or

Prydaz and pants

[supple hearth]

Any defensive utility

they have their uses but if you want dps they dont help

[shut pasture]

and for mage tower?

two best?

[shrewd oriole]

Sin mage tower is alike

Is a joke*

[supple hearth]

for assassination its literally a mechanics check

[shrewd oriole]

@gusty kestrel did you see the screener?

Mandatory hc raid

[proud lily]

Trying to do that mage tower as Arcane vs Sin is amazing

[shrewd oriole]

Mandatory hc raid

[lone junco]

@Aido#8256 FOK vs mut depends on crit levels. Bleed mut on 2T. All FOK ok 3T

[tulip grotto]

Have 28crit i think

[stark reef]

Guys

Whats the best possible combination for Kingsbbane in like 3-5 mins in a battle

im spaming kingsbane-toxic-mutilate-envenom...and mutilate envenom (ofc when garrote and rupture are up)

[shrewd night]

I have no idea what you are trying to ask.

[stark reef]

Kingsbane gets more dmg when u attack in this timeinterval no?

his dmg increases..

[lethal heart]

if you use kingsbane and then toxic

it's already wrong

🤷

situationally wrong i guess

[scarlet hawk]

At which point during an opener do you switch to FoK for 2+ targets?

After mantle drops?

[stark reef]

how ist the perfect Kingsbane use?

in mid of a fight..not openere

[cosmic pier]

have rupture and garrote running, then use kingsbane and maintain envenom and surge of toxins buffs

[zealous dew]

KB optimal usage is the max amount of DP applications you can have

[sharp viper]

100% sot uptime with 100% envenom uptime and either tb at the application of kb or during the last 9s

[prime void]

^ not always true. You're KB and TB can unsync. Youd want to still KB and not hold it

[fleet whale]

RIP Vendetta off GCD.... for one expansion 😦

[vestal wren]

its not a big deal

[prime void]

Alpha

[fleet whale]

i know it's not a big deal i lived with it for a while

[astral sundial]

baa vendetta wasn't mentioned when I saw the GCD stuff and was hoping it's intact. are racials also effected?

[vapid moth]

Affected*

[warm parcel]

ven was on gcd before

but no racial is

[stark reef]

TB - Kingsbane-Vanish-mutilate-envenom-mutilate envenom-for all long of KB sounds good?

[frosty pagoda]

Vanish mutilate KKona

[vapid moth]

Lol

[stark reef]

envenom - TB - Kingsbane-Vanish-mutilate-envenom-mutilate envenom-* envenom buff is up before apllying KB

[cosmic pier]

always envenom out of stealth for the nightstalker buff, if you are using shoulders

[stark reef]

yeah im using shoulders

mutilate gives 4CP so mutilate is great

[cosmic pier]

but nightstalker buffs the damage of the first spell used when breaking invis, so its important to use a high damage finisher like envenom to maximise damage

[stark reef]

ohhh i understand

then Vanish-Envenom

then mutilate

[cosmic pier]

you got it

[stark reef]

im lossing the bonus for a simple mutilate

[lament pawn]

Could u guys suggest a good mythic antorus weak aura?

[prime void]

3 env in every shoulder window. Pool before pressing vanish.

[lament pawn]

will buffs/debuffs etc

[prime void]

Go check wago

Theres some decent ones

[stark reef]

@prime void yeah i weanted to up my garrote-rupture, get 4 CP with mutilate let the 5cp being KB ...instantly vanish and envenom-mutilate for all KB dmg

[spare cloud]

I dont get accepted into any karazhan runs

feelsbadman

[rain pewter]

fuck rogue

[lone junco]

High dogs is fine.

[cosmic pier]

dont need to do kara if you already have a 965 socketed eye 🤔

[prime void]

Toph you were running it yesterday bb

[spare cloud]

Yes

I was

[rain pewter]

any1 still #fokking in 2018v

?

[spare cloud]

No

[cosmic pier]

rip the meme

that shit was fucing retarded though

[rain pewter]

know what else is retarded? Electing trump

still happened

[cosmic pier]

also like the part where they broke our aoe for a week to fix it

[spare cloud]

I was accepted

feelsgoodman

[manic vigil]

wazzup nerdZ

[spare cloud]

5.9M Hp monk

🤔

[prime void]

Cant be worse than that locm

[spare cloud]

True

they are theorycrafting

+18 is hard btw

Gotta make sure the pulls are planned out

[warm parcel]

flying r words left and right

people wanna be banned 🤔

[prime void]

Naw

[lone junco]

@spare cloud pretty sure my 2p4p is like 5.8m hps.

maybe less.

[shrewd oriole]

😦

[cosmic pier]

wait is retard a banned word

[lone junco]

yep

[cosmic pier]

we twitch now?

[calm grail]

?

No, we're just not terrible people.

[lone junco]

if you dont like it 🚪

[cosmic pier]

what about synonyms

like window licker

[calm grail]

Skirting rules is also a way to get banned.

[cosmic pier]

fak

[lone junco]

yep. just dont.

else just go

[shrewd oriole]

retard isnt banned as long as you arent using it derrogatively

[cosmic pier]

odds of that though

[shrewd oriole]

it's retard (alongside any other word) being used in a derrogative manner that lands you a mute

also self-degradation is allowed

so you can call yourself a retard

[lone junco]

none of that is true. Just dont be a dick.

[calm grail]

I think we've already given the word too much attention though, so I don't we just move on?

Why don't we*

Noobe summed it up best.

[shrewd oriole]

👍🏿

[vapid moth]

Hardy har har check out these

[fervent beacon]

Guis, how is my mog?

Wait wrong one.

Better idea, post your ride to clear up the toxicity in here

[vapid moth]

What if I have no ride

[fervent beacon]

Then you're poor.

[vapid moth]

I am 17 after all

[fervent beacon]

Tbh first car I owned was 22 and it was 97 VW Jetta, standard. Had to teach myself off the lotm

[vapid moth]

Nice. I probably won’t own a car till then either

[lone junco]

method shared this. 10 yrs ago. 3 rogues on top. 👌

[vapid moth]

I give the ui an 8/10. There’s a lot but it just looks so neat

[vestal wren]

dont like the ui

[lone junco]

decursive for a mage is pretty good.

group frames at the top are unnecessary, and the combatlog bottom right is wasted, spam is too fast to read anyway

[prime void]

way too much shit

[spare cloud]

No EoC

that group was shit

[strange python]

Hey ☺️

[median current]

I just started playing assas; was outlaw

[strange python]

📌

Mastery crit

[median current]

If I'm about to cap combo points and I have both rupture and envenom dots on target what do I do to spend cp to not cap

[zealous dew]

envenom is not a dot

[strange python]

I’d spam FoK

Envenom

[median current]

oh, ok. So envenom

[strange python]

Yes

[median current]

cool, I see that rupture gets a buff sometimes from using it already

[dire spoke]

No raid

[median current]

like should I use it again, or is it buffing the dot component

[strange python]

Spam envenoms

[median current]

ok

[spare cloud]

Zempai

why no raid

[median current]

ty

[strange python]

No boosting the shaman?

[dire spoke]

What don't Spam envenom

[strange python]

What you mean

[dire spoke]

You clip envenom buff, you can spam env when you cap energy

[strange python]

I’ve always spammed envenom

Ill let my green logs speak for me

[dire spoke]

Yeah stop giving advice at that point

[strange python]

Ye he said to not cap

[dire spoke]

not cap CP

[strange python]

Oh wait

[dire spoke]

Nobody mentioned energy

[strange python]

Wait did he

Oh im 🥄

[lone junco]

@median current SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[dire spoke]

@median current don't Spam, read up

[strange python]

📌

[median current]

yeah I've gone through it

[lone junco]

I would write a blurb on but I dont want my name on something. I already get enough random DMs about shit.

[median current]

It's just hard for me to read a guide on a specific question. I have a.d.d.

[strange python]

Ill escort myself out

[lone junco]

if you read, then specific qs are fine

[dire spoke]

I just answered above

[median current]

it's blood of the assasinated that I'm wondering about I guess

do you do another rupture right after you already had if that's up

or no

[lone junco]

maintain rupture. clip env, if you hit 4/5 cps, you can just wait. watch your energy creep up. and if it gets high, spend on env.

[gilded lark]

Why would you lol

[median current]

cause I'm assuming rupture I want to use at 5cp out of a vanish

[lone junco]

dont play around BOTA

[median current]

ok

[lone junco]

if you are playing bleed, we can talk

[median current]

cool

that answers it

I'm not

[gilded lark]

Rupture isnt instant dmg. You don't spam rupt inside bota lol

[lone junco]

dont do extra rupture for filler. just clip the pandemic

[gilded lark]

New meta. 200% rupture uptime

[lone junco]

I was actually messing with a hemo bota build this morning. was really good for about 18 seconds. I got 3 bota in a row. after that was about -300k dmg or so.

made me lol

[dire spoke]

@spare cloud can I join your clear run next week maybe

[lone junco]

25% bleed is nice, but at the expense of all your poison stuff. and rupture spam for bota uptime worked. just butchered Env uptime. so No e from 4p21.

[supple hearth]

@gilded lark I miss u

[gilded lark]

Why

[gaunt moat]

why

[spare cloud]

You can apply

I want to playwarrior

if you join maybe I can reroll

[dire spoke]

[gilded lark]

Also I've been around but my sleep schedule is cooked

[gaunt moat]

did you know giggle is also canadian? maybe you should meet

[gilded lark]

Got to work 1hr ago, have been awake for 12 hours. Great day

What

Impurities in my great white north

[spare cloud]

Broad and giggle are made for each other

[supple hearth]

@gaunt moat no... Plz donut spread disinfo

[gaunt moat]

too late already wrote fanfic

[supple hearth]

I'd make comments of my feelings of Canada but id have to ban myself

[dire spoke]

@spare cloud not enough signed up btw. We cripple ourselfs with not reclearing and having a baddie roster in general

[prime void]

zempai

go US

come play with me bb

[spare cloud]

You want a clicker in your guild?

[prime void]

If he can perform both in dps and mechanics

I really dont give a fuck 😃

I'd meme the shit out of him still though.

[dire spoke]

make NA Transfer happen pls

[spare cloud]

ofc.

[prime void]

You make it happen

[spare cloud]

Well Zempai

[prime void]

Buy US account- level to 110- get mythic geared

[spare cloud]

time to change guild I guess

[prime void]

then boom!

and zemp

[spare cloud]

if youre not even raiding anymore

[prime void]

please go find new guild

like your guild will implode

at this point

in weeks.

[dire spoke]

[prime void]

zemp

the 18 hour drive home begins in 1 hour

pray for me

[dire spoke]

whew

U got an uber or

[prime void]

LOL

is my offtopic comment related to sin and on topic because I used a PB emoji

[lone junco]

18hr. Quite a run. Where from/to?

I drove from Oregon to StL once. Was a long fucking trip.

[dire spoke]

I think flying is cheaper at this point

tbh

[shut pasture]

YOOOOO

good leggos?

[prime void]

lul

I dont speak that language

but prbably double bis

[shut pasture]

wow

[prime void]

going from tuscon to oakland/pleasenton I think

then swooping up to Reno

So AZ-CA-NV

[shut pasture]

wait shoulders are bis right?

NICE

[prime void]

GF lives in AZ I live in NV, but Im dropping her off in CALI

shoulders and boots are bis.

[chilly lion]

which legendaries are now BIS For assa? Shoulders and wrist or boots?

[prime void]

shoulders wrists boots helm insig

[dire spoke]

check on herodamage.com

[shut pasture]

LOLOLOLOLOL

[dire spoke]

For comb

[prime void]

Sin has many viable leggos.

[shut pasture]

DID I GET DOUBLE BIS?

[prime void]

depending on accompanying gear and relics

But shoulders are always going to be great

as will boots

[dire spoke]

Can you stop spam and don't act like you didn't know?

[shut pasture]

I really didn't

just boosted

rogue

[prime void]

thunking

You can leave now 😃

how long have you played wow ?

[shut pasture]

since legion release

[prime void]

And you didnt know shoulders were bis ?

[shut pasture]

I main a warrior

[prime void]

I main a rogue

and know the bis for like all classes

I figured it just came with playing the game

[shut pasture]

I didn't really care about classes I don't play

[prime void]

me neither

[gilded lark]

@supple hearth toxic

[dire spoke]

I have two lego hunter n priest token but fck ranged in particular

[prime void]

I mained range until I played rogue this tier

6 months - melee

10 years- ranged

kek

[dire spoke]

I main rogue since 2006

[dire phoenix]

me too

2007

[shut pasture]

can you give me the main rotation in icons?

I play on russian and i cannot understand

from the guide

which abilities

[prime void]

go look at logs

[dire spoke]

G O O G L E

[heavy plover]

when the tank leaves ur 22 brh on track for 2 chest, on the third boss cause the boomkin pulled 1 second before the pulltimer by accident

[gritty axle]

ayyyy

[bold dune]

cool story

[heavy plover]

always love the wow community 4head

[supple hearth]

Hi reminder to be nice to others

🥄

[bold dune]

I was wondering which carebear mod was doing that lol

[heavy plover]

positive vibes only 😃

[bold dune]

jk I knew who it was

[supple hearth]

Xoxo

Im not familiar with the carebears but I imagine Giggleblush would be a fantastic carebear

[shut pasture]

where do I do order hall upgrades

[bold dune]

in the order hall

[gilded lark]

The order hall

[shut pasture]

nice troling guys

[bold dune]

ty pinko

[gilded lark]

Trolling? I'll have you know that answer is 100% accurate

[shut pasture]

in the end I think the boost was well worth it

considering I got 2 of the best legendaries

mantle FeelsGoodMan

[gilded lark]

Mantle in 2018

[bold dune]

ty for sharing with us

we care a lot

[gilded lark]

Lmao

"Hey guys baller rogue here, first 6 legos bis for 3 specs. But hey uh where's the mission board"

[shut pasture]

I think you're being overtly asshol-ish

[bold dune]

😦

[dire spoke]

Welcome to rogues

@shut pasture maybe you should stop bothering a spec channel with casual bs and come back after you played the toon for a while

[gilded lark]

Showing just how new to this discord you are if you think this is us being assholes

[spare cloud]

guys stop being toxic

[shut pasture]

heh this place is more toxic than tankchat

[bold dune]

no it's not

[gilded lark]

Could have taken the real dickish way out and answered simply with "sim yourself"

[turbid harbor]

heh

[supple hearth]

@shut pasture #385145484559253506 is a great place for non-assasination specific questions. It's more friendly for newer rogues

[gilded lark]

Also tankchats gonna love that

[bold dune]

also this thing called a brain

should learn to use it

[gilded lark]

There's a questline that leads you to the upgrade guy. It's even mandatory to start the upgrades.

[dire spoke]

Tisumi take me with you next week pls

[warm parcel]

Doesnt boosting a char skip most of that bullshit tho

[arctic stirrup]

Jesus you are being mean, can I ask a assassination specific question then?

[gilded lark]

Nope

[warm parcel]

I havent boosted myself but heard it skips something

ah

[gilded lark]

Nope

[arctic stirrup]

I'm confused about the post opening rotation

[gilded lark]

No questions. Only answers

[arctic stirrup]

what should I do after the opening?

[gilded lark]

Probably dps rui.

Or just die

[lunar dawn]

Lul

[gilded lark]

Rotato is complicato

[dire spoke]

@gusty kestrel yeah, I might lfg soon

[gilded lark]

Stab

Clickenstein needs a home

[bold dune]

never lose uptime for any reason

[dire spoke]

Clickenstein 😂

[bold dune]

feint is a dps loss though

don't press that ever

[shrewd oriole]

@echo estuary

[gilded lark]

Make sure to save vanish so you can use it on wipes to avoid repair bill

[shrewd oriole]

kami back at ita gain

ye

[lunar dawn]

Cheat death x elusiveness. Which one chose to mhityc bosses oh argus guys?

[bold dune]

what

[echo estuary]

@shrewd oriole how much u paying him to stay 😃

[lunar dawn]

Hmmmm rly leeching poison? Its real viable?

[shrewd oriole]

no

@echo estuary idk man not enough

[lunar dawn]

Huh😂

Ok

[dire spoke]

If you need to ask that question cheat death is best for you

[bold dune]

was that question about mythic argus

I'm genuinely confused

I mean elusiveness is arguably better for last phase tbh

[lunar dawn]

Im using cheat death bro, but i almost never use it

[bold dune]

so it's rly up to you

[dire spoke]

[bold dune]

if it never procs before you die and rez on tree then no reason not to use elusiveness

[warm parcel]

I mean if your groups dog

Elu allows you to dip into deathfog for the buffs

[bold dune]

so does cheat death ;0

[dire spoke]

lmao

[supple hearth]

Just have good healers. Ez

[bold dune]

hey giggleblush how many mythic argus kills do you have

[supple hearth]

Healers like to parse too. Can't be top parsing healer if they don't have pad opportunities too

@bold dune I stopped raiding this tier. I was back up for a few weeks and got to 9/11 like...3-4 months ago? I haven't raided since

[bold dune]

I already knew the answer fwiw you could've practiced brevity in your response

[turbid harbor]

i've never seen a 9:33 coven kill

melee fiesta

[supple hearth]

@bold dune :(

[dire spoke]

If anybody has a free M clear raid slot sometime, help a brother out (me)

meanwhile I lfg

[summer moon]

im gnome

i want chance race

which?

[dire spoke]

check out herodamage.com for racial sim

If you don't care, play what you can fap to best

[gilded lark]

I'd suggest not swapping from gnome to gnome though

[bold dune]

female dwarf is the best for damage

[summer moon]

😦

[supple hearth]

@summer moon human

[tulip grotto]

Velf

[summer moon]

...

human Velf dwarf?

[gilded lark]

Panda 🤢

[supple hearth]

Ye

[tulip grotto]

%5 dmg buff for 12 seconds, 3 procs a minute

[wise frigate]

Obviously a male panda.

[gilded lark]

Fat boi

[supple hearth]

Or even better.....faction change and stop being a filthy alliance

[wise frigate]

^

[gilded lark]

@tulip grotto 3

Wot

[tulip grotto]

Uhh thats false actually sorry

[gilded lark]

Yes it iw

Is*

It has a 1 min icd

[tulip grotto]

Im pretty sure o had read something like that, its actually a 1 in 3 chance to proc, got confused

Ye youre right

[gilded lark]

Usually

[dire spoke]

I want ice cream

[gilded lark]

Hold the ice?

[shrewd oriole]

@gusty kestrel I did it

I finally did it

I got orange percentile carrying orbs

[fleet whale]

On BFA alpha does sin still have 120 energy baseline or is it 100 energy?

[shrewd oriole]

[gilded lark]

Neither. We get 1 energy and all abilities cost 1 energy

You regenerate 1 energy every 2 seconds

[dire spoke]

[gilded lark]

30apm locked

[dire spoke]

I think Stjern had 120 yesterday in his Stream

[gilded lark]

I should be on the dev team tbh

[vestal wren]

@fleet whale with no talent skilled.

[fleet whale]

Thx man

[dire spoke]

yeah

[fleet whale]

I was worried cause datamining said assassin's resolve was removed lol

[gilded lark]

No talent skilled 🤔

Selected fuu, selected.

[dire spoke]

fuu has no talent

[vestal wren]

fuu created a new char

[gilded lark]

[fleet whale]

I hope they keep mut at 50 energy

[shrewd oriole]

cool

[spare cloud]

Hello

@dire spoke have you started looking for a new guild already

[primal moss]

I have a few questions regarding sin. is it best to always keep vendetta on CD or always line it up with Vanish for a 5/6 combo point rupture?

[supple hearth]

Did u check the guide already

[primal moss]

just now checking

[gilded lark]

The reactions have spoken

[supple hearth]

Okie

[scarlet hawk]

I find myself casting envenom at 3cp to get it in on TB... Is that even worth it?

[spare cloud]

No

[scarlet hawk]

Aight

[fleet whale]

use TB with 3 cps and then envenom

will have a buffed envenom waiting right there

[spare cloud]

Thats not what he meant

[scarlet hawk]

Ye ofc. but I'm talking when TB is falling off.

[gilded lark]

Get more mut crit

[spare cloud]

Wait

[gilded lark]

Toxic

[dire spoke]

@spare cloud Not yet. I'm in my bed crying

[gilded lark]

Reaction deleter

[spare cloud]

Dont want to get muted for spamming again

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud did u see

[gilded lark]

You should never not be muted

[shrewd oriole]

got 95 doing orbs Poggers

[lone junco]

@scarlet hawk using rupture at 3cp is less punishing, esp if you have a 4/5 env right behind it. just dont make it a habit.

[gilded lark]

Using rupture during tb

What

[dire spoke]

but thats not helping TB

[gilded lark]

One more time zempai

[dire spoke]

W H A T

[shrewd oriole]

rupture inside tb btw

fucking rng

😠

[gilded lark]

3cp rupture inside tb

Why did i parse bad

Blame blizaro

[dire spoke]

https://imgflip.com/i/26wnph

[lone junco]

3cp rupture was mid kb blocks. or before tb.

[gilded lark]

Which was not the question

Stop it

[lone junco]

either way. the apl doesnt drop much if you do all finishers at >=3cp env and rupture.

[dire spoke]

[shrewd oriole]