assassination

[jovial kite]

together in silence

Together beyond the edge

solitude

Wait

[prime void]

you gain a lot of IQ during the muted time

trust

It all comes back

[spare cloud]

Why can't we all love each other

and coexist in harmony

[jovial kite]

Impossible

Because ♿ will always reign supreme

we need a normie jesus to balance the system

[lone junco]

At least bleed isn't as bad as ret. apparently they are 4p2p

[spare cloud]

Only thing I heard from our ret is

that he never changes talents and always plays the same gear/leggos

no matter the boss

[jovial kite]

good ret prolly

[turbid harbor]

you can get away with doing that as ret

[spare cloud]

good enough to be orange almost everywhere

but idk

[turbid harbor]

funnily enough

[spare cloud]

Never played ret

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

rogue doesnt change gear either

I played the same leggos / talents on every fight

[dusty quest]

What 4 pieces of tier do you want to run of tier 21?

[shrewd oriole]

as bleed?

[dusty quest]

Nope, jus tpoison 😄

[shrewd oriole]

oh

depends on ilvl

of both tier and the off pieces

[spare cloud]

Head chest legs back

with equal ilvl

[shrewd oriole]

assuming everything is same ilvl, head chest pants back

have the best stats

boots 🤔

[prime void]

I rock t21 shoulderz

Theyre banging

[dusty quest]

lol kk good I'm running best gear then... I just REALLY want to get better at sin but am having issues with kingsbane and toxic blade

[prime void]

Then link logd

Logs

[vapid moth]

You just stab stuff man

Stab stab

Then maybe a third stab

[dusty quest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DWPZxRc8tdA9XGjr#fight=54&type=damage-done&source=4

[plain thistle]

play alacrity

done

😄

you will never have a problem with toxic blade

that I can assure you

[vapid moth]

Ew

But true

[plain thistle]

🤷

and you get 96-100% envenom uptime for free too, amazing deal

kingsbane will never be a problem for you

joking not joking

[vapid moth]

That's his?

[shrewd oriole]

ye

[dusty quest]

GO ON TEAR ME DOWN

[vapid moth]

I see the issue. He didn't open with Mutilate

[vapid moth]

But fr since no one has said it yet. TB goes directly before kb in your opener

[dusty quest]

Could you give me feedback instead of linking images?

Cuz I'm not getting what I'm missing..obviously

or Iw ouldn't be missing it

[prime void]

Let him finish

[shrewd oriole]

^

[vapid moth]

We are telling you

[prime void]

Then he'll explain

Xaethron

Shush

[shrewd oriole]

Alright

[prime void]

Let someoje who actually knows what theyre talking about explain :)

[shrewd oriole]

I've got most stuff

[vapid moth]

Uh huh

[shrewd oriole]

first of all

your opener is trash

correct opener can be found on the guide

1 sec I'll get the image for you

[dusty quest]

Toxic blade placement is the only thing I see different

[vapid moth]

Yeah

[vapid moth]

That's the issue there

[shrewd oriole]

the toxic blade

misuse

is a huge issue

[dusty quest]

kk cool, I usually do it that way, was trying something out

[shrewd oriole]

it's basically 30% less damage on your opener

[dusty quest]

wow ok

[shrewd oriole]

sigh

anyways

never refresh rupture inside tb

pre plan

if you see tb coming up and your rupture is falling off, refresh

quick maths

[dusty quest]

nice ok

[shrewd oriole]

you dropped envenom several times during KB

dont do that

you used pot by itself

dont do that

use it with vendetta vanish sub 30

[dusty quest]

lol yeah I thick fingered it

[shrewd oriole]

which brings me to another issue

why the hell are you using vanish by itself

always

always always always

[vapid moth]

Boss lasted 3 minutes. Pot wasn't terrible

[shrewd oriole]

save vanish for vendetta

[dusty quest]

^ kk nice

[shrewd oriole]

@vapid moth the pot was terrible. Please

unless obviously the boss is gonna die before your vendetta comes up

then just use it to refresh rupture and throw some envenoms

but otherwise always save it

dont use your last vanish before 30%

get a time to die weak aura

check

[prime void]

https://i.imgur.com/i0Nyt8E.png

Thats a good tb window

[shrewd oriole]

if there's 2:15 seconds left

ish

[prime void]

for refrence

[shrewd oriole]

depends on your execute, what fight

save vanish

but get the weakaura

[dusty quest]

With how my guild runs I'm likely to get 2 vanish in

[shrewd oriole]

that means save the second one for sub 30 with vendetta

[vapid moth]

If you could only get one in Wed be surprised

[dusty quest]

ok cool ty. What else ? I feel like I'm fucking more up;

[shrewd oriole]

your tb windows are p meh

plan for them better

stockpile some cps and energy

try and get 3+ envenoms

in each tb

also, I know it's not up to you but, get some better relics

[prime void]

You also have lackluster envenom uptime

[shrewd oriole]

didnt even check that, good call mizu

[prime void]

and dont have envenom covering all of your KB windows also no SoT coverage on all KB windows

Thats a big boi dps loss

[shrewd oriole]

There's not much going on with assa, it's a relatively simple spec so the "few" mistakes you're making have a huge impact

[dusty quest]

Maybe I'm trying to spam too much; energy starving myself. I'm definitely not pooling at all

[vapid moth]

You don't have Mass relics

That hurts you

[dusty quest]

I can target those better too

[prime void]

This however

is a big boi mistake

https://i.imgur.com/48ORXXq.png

can you tell me what you see wrong with this ?

[vapid moth]

Lmao

[prime void]

Rather than me spoon feeding ?>

[dusty quest]

I'm not sure? popping toxic right after kingsbane?

would it have been better to pop it before?

[vapid moth]

It has to do with vanish man

[prime void]

This is your sub 30% vanish

1st off- you have no vendetta coverage

2nd- thats the completely wrong vanish rotation- i'd reccomend reading the guide again for that

also, no pooling before your vanish window

Didnt fit 5 globals

why starve yourself before your last vanish or use it without a cd

You can hold it as long as you need at this point to pump out as much as you can

[shrewd oriole]

I pointed that out

[vapid moth]

The relics would fix the vendetta issue

[dusty quest]

I literally always starve myself... I'm terrible

[prime void]

Xaethron no

youre wrong

[shrewd oriole]

no they wouldnt

[prime void]

You just hold the ability

[shrewd oriole]

what are u on about xaethron

lmao

[prime void]

thunking

This is why we tell you to not talk my man

[shrewd oriole]

u can play the spec with 0 mass relics

[prime void]

the shit you say is just wrong

and its tilting beyond belief

[shrewd oriole]

1/11M advice btw

[vapid moth]

You can. But you're not doing as well

[prime void]

Bro

[shrewd oriole]

what

[prime void]

I play with 1 mass

and dumpster

[dusty quest]

So hold Vanish, not vendetta

right?

[vapid moth]

He has none

[dusty quest]

I also have 1

[prime void]

if youre only getting 1 more vendetta off

[dusty quest]

not relic, but 3rd tier

[shrewd oriole]

@dusty quest yeah, hold vanish not vendetta

[vapid moth]

Yeah hold vanish for vendetta

[prime void]

make sure its in execute with vanish and pot

xaethron

just go

youre like a fucking parrot

[vapid moth]

Lmao

I'm sorry for upsetting this god

[dusty quest]

So... outside of poison windows, just hold off maybe? Be less concerned about envenom just wrory about overcapping and bleeds?

[prime void]

It has nothing to do with upsetting me, I just think giving incorrect info should be more moderated

clip your env at 1s typically

[vapid moth]

So getting more relics would not make his coooldowns align better?

[prime void]

dont spam

and youll find yourself in a better place

I really do reccimend brushing up on the guide, getting some new logs, then hitting us back up

[dusty quest]

I read the log, find nothing about vanish use

other than "apply rupture" which isn't what you said

Plz stop typing Xae I'm not reading it

[shrewd oriole]

@prime void guide has nothing on vanish

it's shit

[vapid moth]

Don't worry I'm not taking to you

At this point

[dusty quest]

❤

[prime void]

it kinda does tom

I guess you have to think into it

BUT- your mantle window will be- vanish-env-mut-env-mut-env

and then you pray for pb procs in that window

[shrewd oriole]

ye

it's not as clear as I'd like it to be

[prime void]

mhm

I agree

[vapid moth]

Hmmm

[kindred forge]

But after that it's clearly states to use Env if you are suing sholders?

[zealous dew]

shoulder vanish is : vanish env mut env mut env

without shoulders is vanish: rupture if NS

[vapid moth]

There's still no follow up

[prime void]

the guide was built for you to have to use your head alittle

its not a spoonfed guide

[spare cloud]

Gonna put 200 chaos crystals on the auction house

[prime void]

what else would you do in vanish window lol ?

[spare cloud]

non - stacked

[vapid moth]

Guides are supposed to be as clear as possible imo

[dusty quest]

Ok this has been really helpful. It already feels smoother just on a target dummy

I think my biggest issue is I spam mutilate, bgut I need to pool more... this causes everythign else to kind of get out of wack in my panic

[vapid moth]

If they still come back asking a question that you gave the answer to in one line, why not put that line in the guide?

[prime void]

go write a guide then my man

not sure who would read it

[spare cloud]

Doesn't state anywhere that its a beginner guide

[prime void]

^

sup tisumi

[vapid moth]

Yet it's the guide you direct all the beginners to

Ironic

[prime void]

No love needed

😛

what would you prefer I direct beginners to ?

logs lol ?

[spare cloud]

Tisumi can you carry me in overwatch

[kindred forge]

I really don't understand what follow up you want when it is clearly stated what you should use if you have sholders or not!

[prime void]

What rank are you tisumi

[spare cloud]

Stalking right now

Not even Diamond

[vapid moth]

I meant after. The shoulder build should be it's own separate section the same way that subtlety has its own sections for builds.

[prime void]

Guide makes you use your head

[dusty quest]

So say Kingsbane and Toxic Blade come off CD within 3 seconds of eachother...waht do?

[prime void]

As I previously stated

[shrewd oriole]

@kindred forge yeah but it doesnt say delay for vendetta

[kindred forge]

Delay what for vendetta?

[shrewd oriole]

vendetta

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/427200725962063873/Capture.JPG

[kindred forge]

You never ever delay vendeta?

[spare cloud]

No

[kindred forge]

You delay vanish

[spare cloud]

Yes

Well there are some cases where you can delay vendetta

[shrewd oriole]

I said

delay FOR vendetta

not delay vendetta

[spare cloud]

but thats situational judgement that comes with experience

[vapid moth]

@dusty quest either use them each on CD. or you can delay the TB for when KB has 9 sec remaining on ticks

[kindred forge]

I only delay vendeta on prio targets and if TB is coming off CD in next 5 sec

[spare cloud]

For example you can delay to get a full kingsbane into vendetta if you dont get another vendetta in that fight

[shrewd oriole]

the guide says "use vanish on cd to rupture" and then says "if u have shoulders use it to envenom"

[vestal wren]

notter maintains the guide ?

[spare cloud]

I dont think so

[vestal wren]

i am not sure who maintains it atm, so if you want it changed might ask notter?

[kindred forge]

Oh man, c'mon, use common sense. I mean ......

[dusty quest]

@vapid moth Doesn't matter which you do? Will be similar enough dps?

[vestal wren]

i just maintain my own one ^^

[shrewd oriole]

lol

[vapid moth]

@dusty quest as far as I know. Yes they are similar.

[spare cloud]

@dusty quest Delaying for 9 secs every time is about 0,3% dps loss

You should be flexible with your usage

For example

[dusty quest]

But if Toxic comes off CD say 5 seconds before Kingsbane does, just use it right?

[spare cloud]

Lets say you get tb 1 second before kb

then you use it before kb

[dusty quest]

oh! k ty!

[vapid moth]

5 seconds is the maximum you should wait

[spare cloud]

if your tb gets ready but you already used kb

[vapid moth]

But even then I use them on CD

[spare cloud]

and it has like 12 seconds left

then you can wait for 9 seconds

[dusty quest]

AMAZING tyyyyy

[spare cloud]

However you dont want to lose a tb cast

[shrewd oriole]

@kindred forge delaying isnt intuitive lol

[spare cloud]

That means

[kindred forge]

Yes it is tbf\

[spare cloud]

You dont want to have tb on cooldown for 25 seconds

per fight

So you dont want to delay 5 seconds 5 times

in a fight

for example

because then you couldve gotten another cast

ofc sometimes thats not easy to manage

[shrewd oriole]

how is delaying your cds

intuitive lol

[vapid moth]

He's saying it's not

Oh

You meant losh

Nvm

[spare cloud]

It requires addititional knowledge so its never intuitive

[prime void]

We've talked to notter a bit about the guide Fuu. Hes fine with how it stands

[vestal wren]

iirc delaying stuff is in general bad

[shrewd oriole]

exactly

thats exactly why it's counterintuitive

[vestal wren]

unless the fight is going to end and you have only 1 cast possible

[shrewd oriole]

and why the guide should mention it

[spare cloud]

I think it doesnt really matter when you use the stuff as long as you dont lose casts

[dusty quest]

Thank you all, super helpful. I will apply this next week and see how it goes

[spare cloud]

for things like tb

if you dont lose a cast then you can optimize the dmg in the windows

[vestal wren]

thats what i saied

kind of

[spare cloud]

Just tried to elaborate your statement

[prime void]

Sin is simple, but theres definitely some planning and thinking if you really wanna min max

I enjoy that bit about it alot

[spare cloud]

Its not that hard to play mechanically

but you need to put in more thought than into many other speccs

[prime void]

Yup

[spare cloud]

Anyways time to play another upper kara 🤷

[prime void]

Gl

[vapid moth]

May a 985 drop

[spare cloud]

Just did a 20 and warlock died like 14 times over the duration of the dungeon

He skipped 2 bosses because he was dead whole fight

and most of the trash

[prime void]

Hell yeah

Still chested

?

[spare cloud]

2 chested

wouldve been 3chest

[prime void]

Upper timer for ya

[spare cloud]

He did less overall than tank

[vapid moth]

Why didn't you remove him?

[spare cloud]

Why would you remove someone in midst of a dungeon

when you 2 chest anyways

And he does at least little dps

[vapid moth]

Cause they aren't contributing and don't deserve a prize

[spare cloud]

Thats like shooting yourself in the foot

[vapid moth]

Meh. If I know I can carry it I will boot

[spare cloud]

As little as he contributed its still more than without him

so its just plain stupid to remove the free dmg

Its like not taking a euro someone wants to give you because its just one euro

[sly talon]

hey someone knows how many master alchemist relic do i hav to stack ? 😄

[spare cloud]

depends on your gear and what build you play

[shrewd oriole]

@sly talon you dont "NEED" them

[sly talon]

hmmm not esanguinate build

[shrewd oriole]

they're just the best relic

[vapid moth]

Any amount you want provided you give reasonable.... Toph said it better

[sly talon]

so thats thhe relic i hav to prioritize right?

[spare cloud]

@gusty kestrel ❤

[shrewd oriole]

@sly talon ye

[sly talon]

ty 😄

[dusty quest]

@shrewd oriole @spare cloud and everyone else ty so much

[spare cloud]

tom being helpful

Why does youtube keep suggesting me poker videos

I never even searched poker in google

or on youtube

[supple hearth]

Ai knows what u need before u know what u need

[spare cloud]

Ai learned from blizzard

[vapid moth]

I have a link to supposedly sexy midgits and I've never looked those up. What does that signify

[spare cloud]

Just post the link here

to confirm

[vapid moth]

Why doe

That's why I said supposedly. They're not actually sexy

I'm saying the thumbnail is vastly deceiving

[smoky wind]

ok, just simmed and i'm simming at more dps with crown than shoulders.. but it's only 15k dps more.. should i follow the sim or keep shoulders equipped?

[spare cloud]

15k is most likely within margin of error

And shoulders have a higher top

so I'd stick with shoulders

[smoky wind]

alright, thanks

[fervent beacon]

Tbh I like running without mantle, for more consistent dps overall

[spare cloud]

That is true

[fervent beacon]

and the extra energy with crown is not bad too.

[vestal wren]

15k margin of error what target error do you use?

[lone junco]

15k is well within player error lol.

But that's a diff story.

[spare cloud]

Isnt target error like 0,4%? If not I apologize because that was wrong

I'd still go with shoulders, however head is more consistent

[smoky wind]

Ok, thanks for the help^^

[vestal wren]

target error depends on your settings

but 0.4% is quite high

[spare cloud]

I just assumed raidbot sims, idk with what target error it sims with tbh

[gaunt moat]

backstabbeth/Adam it's very likely that if you get a better head slot item, shoulders would once again sim higher

[vestal wren]

the simulations on the simulationcraft webpage have a target error of 0.095 with 7500 iterations, you usually have 10k or 20k set in your sim

[spare cloud]

I sim with 100k on raidbots

[vestal wren]

it caps on 0.05 iirc or so

[spare cloud]

Yeh its about 0,05 dps error

[vestal wren]

so even if you set it to 100k it will sim far less iterations

[vapid moth]

I must say. It's weird how EU people swap the usage of commas and decimals when it comes to numbers

[vestal wren]

its , in german also

[strange python]

^

[spare cloud]

I use , for anything < 1

and if I have like 1.000.000

I use dots

but then again usually nobody uses . for large numbers

[vestal wren]

i use si units

but i start with 10^3

so k

[spare cloud]

Btw @vestal wren I just assumed 0,4% because of the sims done on herodmg

guess it stuck with me

haven't really thought about it

[vestal wren]

the sims on hd are with lower target error due to the amount of simulations

[spare cloud]

good to know

[vestal wren]

also 0.4% of 2M is ~8k

[spare cloud]

isnt it +/- 8k then?

[vestal wren]

yes i assume so

[strange python]

seat doesnt give you any rep from running it does it

[vapid moth]

Well

If you're in the spot where you're considering running seat for rep

[spare cloud]

Yeah but well, I can't really argue with you on that you know much much more than me about the sims

Like I said I just didnt really think about it and just said it to help him

[vestal wren]

🤷

in wod we used anticipation over mfd even if mfd was the better choice but far harder to play perfect

tho i am not sure that wod sub was well optimizied

a small change in gear/gameplay will likely not noticable in game

a diffrence of ~1% is fine

[manic vigil]

all this respeccing and legendary switching as aff lock me head hurt

send halp

[spare cloud]

at least you only need 1 specc

I heard mage is fun

different specc for everything

[vestal wren]

well same for rogue, sin all the way

[shrewd oriole]

yo wtf

http://prntscr.com/ivwyoo

http://prntscr.com/ivwzdj

lmao

[spare cloud]

got it.

[shrewd oriole]

it's insae

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rose sapphire]

Was thinking about Garothi is the eradication physical dmg? if so can we evasion it?

Not on mythic thou

Think it stills overkill

[spare cloud]

Just go a few meters and you're gucci

[civic palm]

Walk a little away.

ezpz

[rose sapphire]

with feint?

[civic palm]

Also, if you took Cheat Death... use it :3

[spare cloud]

It's 12,5M dmg

So like a few steps are enough

with feint

[civic palm]

With Feint @ any range that won't overkill through CD.

[rose sapphire]

bcs I want to maximize my dps on this shit boss

[civic palm]

So long you have 6M hp

[spare cloud]

I mean if you time properly then you maximize anyways

You shouldnt lose any uptimes

only thing you might miss are like a few autohits

[rose sapphire]

hmm takes time to run back and shadowstep in again

[spare cloud]

Yeah like i said

a few autohits is everything you should be missing

[rose sapphire]

hm alright

[spare cloud]

I mean

what do you miss when you run out like 2 seconds

because thats all it should really take

[prime void]

Im confused

Just get your pally to bop you?

And cheat death the other

There ya go. 100% uptime

[rose sapphire]

is bop still working on that boss?

[prime void]

?

[spare cloud]

What do you miss out on when you run out 2 seconds

[prime void]

2 globals tbf

[shrewd oriole]

@gusty kestrel check the ilvl

guy goes up 9 bag ilvl

due to a bug

with wod crafted

LOL

[spare cloud]

2 globals you're using what in?

If you're not capping energy then it doesnt really change anything

[rose sapphire]

think he is talking about mutilate mutilate evenom mby

[prime void]

He was talking to you lol

[spare cloud]

Yeah but then you wait anyways 🤔

Also that

Yes

[prime void]

I just pointed out that 2s is 2 globals. Never said they were important. Unless energy capped

[shrewd oriole]

@gusty kestrel good for alts with low ilvl

[prime void]

I havent fought garothi on mythic in a very long time

So i have no clue if you can feint it

[spare cloud]

Yeah its true but as rogue you got the flexibility to move those globalds to a point where they have a higher impact

Unless energy capped ofc

but if that happens when you're timing it wrong

Its not like the ability is coming at random timings

you know exactly when thats gonna happen

[prime void]

I just dump before it

[spare cloud]

Yeh

dumb before it and not cap

you dont have tb up anyways most of the time

and/or kb

And even then 2 seconds dont matter if your timing is on point

[shrewd oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdvs0chBik0

@gusty kestrel @spare cloud @prime void

AHAHAHH

[plain thistle]

🤔

[strange python]

l2p

[true warren]

Question- do I always want to rupture with 5CP?

[shrewd oriole]

hmm

u wanna use finishers at 4cps

[true warren]

thanks.

that guide doesn't answer my question- hence why i asked in here.

[manic vigil]

[slim estuary]

You want to maintain your garrotte and rupture up time to 95%. Mut will always give 2+ so if you use it at 4cp you’re wasting 1 cp. this is why you use finishers at 4 & 5 cp @Fraank#0978

Start small sweetie ❤️

[sharp viper]

aim for 140% 🤔

[vapid moth]

Aim for 200

Wait. That's mastery

[manic vigil]

mastery in 2018 btw

go crit or go home

[vapid moth]

200% crit is useless doe

[manic vigil]

noooo

[vapid moth]

Crit has a cap

[sharp viper]

finally got 40% in my boots+bracers build, so much more pleasant to play

[manic vigil]

moooooaaaarr

[vapid moth]

How'd I manage to end up with rings and a neck that have vers instead of crit

[manic vigil]

same

[dire spoke]

helo

is me

[vapid moth]

Stop clicking

[dire spoke]

I outplayed every rogue in this discord

no

[sharp viper]

again?

[manic vigil]

sup my brother from another mother

[vapid moth]

Lmao

I challenge thee to a duel.

[dire spoke]

pls challenge Flowi first before thou speak to RH King

✋🏻

[manic vigil]

[vapid moth]

Aight bet

@viscid helm if I win you stop using alacrity

[manic vigil]

[spare cloud]

Zempai in pvp

ayy lmao

just walk behind him and he has to keyboardturn and cant keep up

[vapid moth]

Lmao toph did him wrong

[prime void]

I have a feeling zemp could roll some fuckers in pvp

[spare cloud]

I mean he isnt purely clicking either

so

[vapid moth]

I mean rogue pvp is rarely fair. About who comes out of stealth first

[dire spoke]

I just do this

[shrewd oriole]

Outplayed all rogues

Aggramar btw

[dire spoke]

don't blame me for my guild

pls

[shrewd oriole]

You picked your guild tho

[dire spoke]

yeah 2016

roster was different

I heard we're planning recruitment for BfA so ppl get stressed in their safezones

maybe it won't be shit anymore

if it is I'm leaving

[spare cloud]

Join the swiss guild

[dire spoke]

I wish it was called Chuchichäschtli

[spare cloud]

I mean he outdmgd me

when I was playing without cp

[dire spoke]

lmao

[spare cloud]

Or wait did he even i cant remember

[devout radish]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[spare cloud]

[dire spoke]

I did, then you switched to sub

sub > clicking sin

[spare cloud]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n2XyzcdVRqpBDbCL#fight=13&type=damage-done

Nice pb

that was without cp

[manic vigil]

again with the dick measuring

come on guys, you are all awesome

[dire spoke]

you can feel CP

[spare cloud]

I have the smallest dick

so I have to have the biggest dps

[dire spoke]

like you can feel random shadow tech procc

[manic vigil]

I want sephuz for my aff

why u no drop

[dire spoke]

🤦🏻

[manic vigil]

sub is black magic anyway

me no oonderstaend

[dire spoke]

https://giphy.com/gifs/shia-labeouf-12NUbkX6p4xOO4

[manic vigil]

omg

[dire spoke]

sub is foken ez, sin stresses me so much

play cooldown ... pool shit play next cooldown do refreshings play both cooldowns

[manic vigil]

🤔

wazzup gurl

[warm parcel]

didnt it end yet

O right

I was watching last nights vod

😄

[dire spoke]

I'm making myself Käsespätzle now

[warm parcel]

spoilers

😠

Im a full day behind

...

[dire spoke]

spoiler: the match ends with some moderation

[manic vigil]

Kässpätzli?!

gieF

[dire spoke]

MINE

I don't have money to share

[prime void]

What is out

It

[dire spoke]

It's like

[manic vigil]

it's delicious

[dire spoke]

mac n' cheese, but a little different pastry

[shut pasture]

is shadowstrike a good rogue name

I really wonder why it wasn't ook

[dire spoke]

[woven void]

hey i have a question what do i do when i have my rupture up, my garrote on cooldown, and not enough energy for mutilate

do i just fucken chill

[plain thistle]

you wait for energy

😄

[spare cloud]

Yes

[woven void]

This Sucks Man

[marble hemlock]

/cast Detection

[spare cloud]

I didnt buy detection until like 1 week ago

when i was told about it

[marble hemlock]

wow

its like

the best filler

[spare cloud]

Yeah

[marble hemlock]

and using it a few times in a row charges bota/poison bomb rng

[dire spoke]

you can get it near Ravenholdt

today

[spare cloud]

Youre saying its like

800 alchemy

for better pb rng

[woven void]

wait using detection charges poison bomb rng?

[spare cloud]

Oh god

[woven void]

this sounds like

[spare cloud]

Selia you did this

[woven void]

balogney

[dire spoke]

[marble hemlock]

yes it does

[spare cloud]

from what discord is pepelul?

Zempai

[dire spoke]

the guild discord I made

🤷🏻

DON'T YOU SEE MY DISCORD HYPESQUAD BATCH

you can join the Discord an become a shadowblade

Tisumi too

I'm making my own Ravenholdt

[spare cloud]

inv

I dont want to be shadowblade though

[dire spoke]

You have to

[spare cloud]

They are disrespected by all

nty

[dire spoke]

no inv then

[plain thistle]

I have 5 monk legendary on my rogue, maybe I should boost one

not sure

I think the game is telling me to embrace the FoTM 🤔

[warm parcel]

I accidently got vele on my monk

😄

[plain thistle]

😂

[dire spoke]

I'm sure nobody got mad at you

[spare cloud]

Inv pls

[dire spoke]

lmao

[manic vigil]

the highly sought after swiss meme factory

[dire spoke]

it's only a guest role

[manic vigil]

tisumi show me your sub gearsets and shit

I need to fix my crap

[lone junco]

I use
2p2p shoulder cloak glaive, 2p2p shoulder glove dogs.

[manic vigil]

I have 2p2p cloak set, vigor ring set and gloves for bosses

but I might be missing some obvious improvements, it's been so long

[spare cloud]

[dire spoke]

worth

german ravenholdt inc

[spare cloud]

Looking for people to ask stupid questions

[prime void]

Youre already there toph...

You dont need anyone else.:)

[spare cloud]

[dire spoke]

Tisumi don't want to come

[spare cloud]

[dire spoke]

ty mizu now he started asking

[spare cloud]

dont send it to him

hes not german

[dire spoke]

lmao

[manic vigil]

[dire spoke]

uni come

[manic vigil]

are you making fun of our american brother here?

[spare cloud]

No

Its just a german guild

and the discord is german

so

[manic vigil]

but zempai is swiss

[dire spoke]

[manic vigil]

[dire spoke]

I'm just taking your moneys and waifus

ty bb

[spare cloud]

Barely has enough money to pay for Spätzle

Sits in his basement all night playing wow

[manic vigil]

you haven't invited me btw, how am I supposed to "come"

[spare cloud]

but steals my money and waifus

[dire spoke]

my DMs is literally all rogues

lmao

[spare cloud]

What

[dire spoke]

I only have rogue private chats

[spare cloud]

Ayy lmao

[dire spoke]

REEEEE this bot

why doesn't it save

the setting

[manic vigil]

best emote ever

[dire spoke]

I still have 7 free emote slots

[manic vigil]

we must fill them

channel your inner memer

[dire spoke]

huehue

[spare cloud]

The other ravenholdt sucks

nobody answers my question

[supple hearth]

thats cause u dont have a giggleblush

[manic vigil]

[spare cloud]

Yeah because you always answer all the pve questions

[supple hearth]

you're welcome

[spare cloud]

Thanks btw

best mod

[supple hearth]

2018

[dire spoke]

🤔 teach giggle german and inv

[supple hearth]

Aber ich spreche schon Deutsch

[dire spoke]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mashable-l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS

[fervent beacon]

English motherfucker

do you speak it

[spare cloud]

Please keep chatting in english

on this discord

@fervent beacon Magst du es etwa nicht wenn hier leute eine andere Sprache sprechen?

[fervent beacon]

[manic vigil]

[cinder pumice]

wish are the best relic for assassin rogue right now ??

[manic vigil]

rudel

[spare cloud]

📌

[prime void]

@Diusus#8213

[supple hearth]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[supple hearth]

@cinder pumice

[fervent beacon]

@prime void

[dire spoke]

trolling around in Stjern's stream

[spare cloud]

Nice troll

[prime void]

Why tag?

[dire spoke]

confusing despots so much fun

lmfao

[spare cloud]

LUL

[fervent beacon]

Well, now I'm back to running boots/bracers with MP Alacrity

[hazy iron]

boots bracers has never simmed well for me

[fervent beacon]

If your crit isn't high enough, it won't probably sim well

atm im at 38% crit

benched for mythic coven

[dire spoke]

revamped my sub WAs in my sin style https://snag.gy/IVczmE.jpg

feelsgudman

just to see if I fucked CPs up

[fervent beacon]

Tracking finality 🤔

[vapid moth]

Rogue order hall is so fucking lame

[civic palm]

Rogue OH is lowkey the best fucking OH.

Don't need to mount down there, cause it's tiny.

Just get where you need to be. EZPZ.

[dire spoke]

^

[fervent beacon]

Not liking Rogue OH

Get the fuck outta here

[vapid moth]

My biggest issue

Is how none of the training dummies have more than 130mill hp

What am I supposed to do with that

[civic palm]

Go to SW :3

[fervent beacon]

Why would that matter lol?

[civic palm]

Less SHINK SHINK SHINK SHINK SHINK SHINK SHINK SHINK SHINK SHINK SHINK there as well.

[vapid moth]

SW dummies all the the rabbits and shits

That throw the logs off. Trinket proc doing 10% lmao

[civic palm]

Go to Vale of Eternal Blossoms.

Less... everything.

[vapid moth]

Oooh

That I haven’t tried

[civic palm]

Could use your Garrison as well.

[molten seal]

Hey, im a new rogue and don't have the legendary shoulders, also no tierset. 2 Questions, do i pick Nightstalker or Subterfuge. Also is my opener Garrote -> Mutilate -> Rupture -> Vendetta -> Toxic BLade -> Kingsbane -> Mutilate to 4+ -> Envenom

[vapid moth]

What’s a garrison

[civic palm]

Got a TP directly to it.

It's got dummies in it.

That's about it.

Oh and some tables.

@molten seal Did you read through the guide linked at the top of this very channel?

[spare cloud]

@molten seal read the guide first

[molten seal]

yea, they have a version with subterfuge

but not nightstalker

[spare cloud]

then if you need clarification come again

[civic palm]

Pick whichever SIMs better for you.

Without shoulders you cannot auto-crit for NS so you cast garrote or rupture from your Vanish.

[vapid moth]

He can’t sim doe.

Not when he changes gear after every boss

[molten seal]

atm im running nightstalker and garroth from stealth

[vapid moth]

Yeah that’s fine. Both are close in terms of dps

[civic palm]

Would probably Rupture, but I doubt it matters.

[fervent beacon]

Garrote in opening, then you use rupture after vanish

[vapid moth]

NS gives movement speed doe

[molten seal]

oh, okay

[civic palm]

and Garrote should be refreshed after the Vanish stuff, should be time to by then.

[molten seal]

will keep that in mind, rupture during normal rotation

[civic palm]

This smells like a guide answered question.

[vapid moth]

Anyway rogue order hall makes us look like bums.

[molten seal]

im looking at it, i dont see it in there

[civic palm]

It's there, promise.

Don't make me screenshot it > _>

[molten seal]

they only show openers without shoulders and subterfuge 😛

[spare cloud]

did you stop reading after opener?

[civic palm]

_>"

               _>"

  _          >"

[fervent beacon]

ok so you got two options

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/6ab35c8cde7be7b1dcb3c92e912e2dce

I got you buddy

[fervent beacon]

you could run NS and still ask questions, or you could just go with subt and just garrote away

Both are fairly close within each other

since im not using mantle, i just go with subt.

[civic palm]

ezpz

and if you are 2p+4p Subterfuge is awesome.

[spare cloud]

Please read the full thing, it makes answering questions easier also

[dire spoke]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cartoons-comics-sea-reading-WoWm8YzFQJg5i

[vapid moth]

I couldn’t play subterfuge

Ever

[molten seal]

wow, i didnt read one line and you go berserk

[civic palm]

Might be very good very early BfA with Iron Wire.

[dire spoke]

@vapid moth you gonna have lots of fun with the talent changes man

[vapid moth]

@molten seal that’s the discord. Get used to it

[fervent beacon]

It's like all you do is with Subt is just fucking garrote.

It's godlike in +

[spare cloud]

I'm not going Berserk, its just that it makes it easier for yourself and us if you read everything

[vapid moth]

Lmao Zempai the movement speed buff was just too strong for me

[civic palm]

It's not really Discord but just ... people that have answered the same question about 1000 times.

[spare cloud]

Keep your character simmed and you're gucci

[vapid moth]

But we don’t garrote in m+ really anymore. T21 gives enough energy

[civic palm]

and yeah NS is so hawt.

That's why I said BfA > _>

[dire spoke]

[civic palm]

Low gear early M+, triple garrote, huge damage reduction is good shit.

[vapid moth]

Ugh

Rip me

[civic palm]

Also an 8 second silence O _O

[dire spoke]

no garrote so weak

shit rogue

ded game

[spare cloud]

assa in m+

[civic palm]

SIN in BfA O _O

Fucking... BfA.

Who cares about Legion anymore?

[spare cloud]

who cares about BfA when we got Legion

[civic palm]

MDI coming woohoo fucking WW/DH party.

[dire spoke]

we're going sub anyway

[lone junco]

we doing it

[civic palm]

👏

[spare cloud]

Nice transmog

[civic palm]

That's a fancy motherfucker.

[spare cloud]

looking good

was it chosen by your daughter again?

[civic palm]

Fucking better have been.

[lone junco]

made me lol to see that old clothy stuff from my vanilla priest

[civic palm]

Why even live otherwise?

[lone junco]

nah. thats mine

[spare cloud]

Yeah better let your daughter choose.

[civic palm]

Also, enjoy playing SUB with all your fucking DPS CDs on GCD.

[lone junco]

that hat was from content level gnomergan

[civic palm]

🗡

[lone junco]

i think ive decided not to play druid. I dont want to get bitch role and have to heal.

[civic palm]

Bingo.

[lone junco]

is why i went rogue in the first place

[civic palm]

Pidgeon Hole yourself IMMEDIATELY.

[lone junco]

pally flex was tiring.

did shm flex for years, then hpal/prot. rogue is no bitch.

[civic palm]

Did normal on the Monk on Friday, went from 895 to 926.

👌

[lone junco]

always top 2 dps. and always good

esp with the 3 specs. plenty of opportunity to dodge shitty meta

[civic palm]

Yeah I like the people that are like.

Play a class with ONE DPS SPEC.

Can't get fucked!!

[lone junco]

and B of all. Im so much happier not playing pvp

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[lone junco]

dh dash spec was garbage

[spare cloud]

Yeah classes with one dps specc cant get fucked

[civic palm]

I will take the three DPS spec class, there WILL be something good.

[spare cloud]

I like shadowpriest

[civic palm]

Tier will probably not be great for one of the three specs... thank God I have other specs > _>"

[lone junco]

he cant do shit on anything but coven and varith.

and m+ is dead content

[civic palm]

,<

[lone junco]

oh does well on dogs

[spare cloud]

Fun I heard

[civic palm]

IzGood

[spare cloud]

having to optimize your gear to the point of insanity

while having to perform flawlessly

[lone junco]

not sure who taught me the most here, but thx. someone helped me get my 99s

[civic palm]

Can't wait to run out of raiding content, then I can finally do M+ O _O

[spare cloud]

just to be about 8th place in the meters

[lone junco]

thats how i felt on outlaw. so many buttons. so meh

[spare cloud]

What

I tried outlaw today

its like 2 buttons

[lone junco]

apm wies

[civic palm]

Yeah but it's 2 buttons, ENDLESSLY.

[lone junco]

and you def arent playing rtb bracer

[fervent beacon]

Not many buttons on OL

🤔

[spare cloud]

Basically

DH

[fervent beacon]

its 4 buttons as rtb

[civic palm]

DH == EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM EYEBEAM

[spare cloud]

Yeah but why play rtb

when you can play snd

[lone junco]

you must be a new rogue then

[fervent beacon]

Because snd are for losers who can't play rtb

[spare cloud]

I'm a proud loser

[lone junco]

I prob have 300 M+ as outlaw. and oy. glad to move on from that.

and that was its best content

[fervent beacon]

My sin gear at this point is better than OL

[lone junco]

everyone is better as sin than outlaw

because vers is garbage

and their mastery sucks

[spare cloud]

Outlaw is even shittier to gear for than bleed

[fervent beacon]

haste^

[lone junco]

haste is easy

ive been getting it in boxes for 2 years

[spare cloud]

I have like 35% haste in outlaw gear

but thats not good, I guess

[civic palm]

Get 910 Frond, GG.

[spare cloud]

I havent read anything about the specc

[lone junco]

yeah. dead spec.

[fervent beacon]

915 stocket cof master trinket for OL

[lone junco]

I have a 905 i think.

[spare cloud]

r1 on garothi mythic

is outlaw

with shit gear

[civic palm]

Item level 1200

[lone junco]

and he prob got 2 6b as snd

[spare cloud]

No hes 970

And he doesnt have frond

[civic palm]

not SnD

?

[spare cloud]

Yes

snd

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DxnamZWjMpc2gKTL#fight=3&type=damage-done

[lone junco]

12% trinket

[civic palm]

Yeah

L O L

[lone junco]

55 crit

[civic palm]

LOOK AT ALL THE GEMS THAT ASSLORD HAS

[spare cloud]

Our outlaw has that as well

the trinket dmg

Yeah he has like 6 gems

xD

[dire spoke]

holy shit I can't play sub with my gear

not enough haste

[spare cloud]

its actually 9

LUL

[civic palm]

Yeah haha

[spare cloud]

Can't click that slow

[fervent beacon]

I wonder if alacrity is a thing for sub

[lone junco]

look at that fucking conc chain. is that 3x?

[dire spoke]

mate I just tried the rotation, I'm just refreshing NB and hardly getting 4GCDs inside dance with 1.5% haste

[civic palm]

Yeah 3x

[lone junco]

CoTDB / 3x conc/ Vanish

[spare cloud]

What

[lone junco]

ok

yeah. SnD is like 2 buttons now. but its been 1.5 yrs of outlaw, and it has been a dry spell for a while.

[spare cloud]

I have 1,37% haste as sub

and I dont have any of those problems

[lone junco]

this is a meta I can handle tho

[dire spoke]

[lone junco]

14k crit

fuck yeah

[spare cloud]

???

[dire spoke]

how much nrg do we pool before SoD again?

100 or something

[spare cloud]

50 is enough

wait

Yeah you want 50 before dfaing

more is wasted

[lone junco]

@fervent beacon

1st. how did he do double rt.
2nd how did he RT BTE RT

[civic palm]

free

[spare cloud]

Koreans do weird shit

[lone junco]

i would understand Anti.