#assassination
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But i readed, there are some "effects" that i need to stack
like vendetta, kings bane, that knife venom
Also Energy cap is higher @prime plover
Mutilate cost 55E
yeah
feels too slow
I find myself pooling a lot more
yeah i remember in sub being spaming those backstab
dmg is decent tho
but that rupture give Energy per second
so i think thats my fail, i need to rupture more
Any Effects that i neeed to STACK, like DFA with shadow dance in SUB
im pulling 1.3m with SUB , with my M-Hero tier of Tomb
i just got back and seeems to Sin is better now
You could read the guide š¤·
Crazy idea right
There are some nuances for sure. Sin is rather forgiving but you can play it wrong, just as anything else
Pb adds a big rng swing that can make up for mistakes or even ruin an otherwise very well played parse
And maybe that's not entirely wrong
tactician procs more imo
I mean across my parses I have a lot of decent pb some juicy high ones and only rarely super low
Not the biggest sample size obviously
But it seems alright is what I'm saying
The other day I was heading towards a nice orange vari hero parse, then we wiped at 20% and in the following try I had 2% pb
Rip
They probably wiped on purpose to ruin my parse

the aoe is throwing me off too
keeping rupture up on 3
and going ham on one
but only fit like 1 maybe 2 envenoms in between
before having to refresh
bleeding aoe instead of heavy hits š¦
lots of poison dmg tho I suppose if you get lucky with pb
Sin aoe
Good one

At least you get to play your own little mini game during a dungeon. I always yell "wooooot, pb" when it proccs and shit melts
My guys love me for it, I swear

Yeah but that's actually where it really feels painful. You don't want to rely on luck to deal aoe dmg
Sinās aoe is fine In drawn out fights
Shit like 22+ NL first pull for example
Where you pull p much everything up to the first boss
Or first pull hov
Sin probably out damages sub there
Cuz those packs last a long time
And theyāre always moving so glaives blows
Now if we are talking imps on cos, sure
But thatās burst versus sustained
Assa beats out sub on sustained aoe, easily lol
True. I wasn't talking about sub when I laughed about sin aoe tho

More like monks
Who seem to be rogue 2.0 right now
I mean as assa you can compete with almost every other class
Just not monk
But monkās retarded
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Exactly
Monkās performance is super inconsistent tho
BUT
Theyāre gonna go back to being shit
monk is useless without externals
especially in high keys
Yeah it goes from op to shit and back all the time huh
And was only for HC cuz they got shafted for M week
Small indie company 
Monk just doesnāt a particularly strong baseline kit
So if monks donāt do damage they donāt bring much else
In m+?
yup
I mean I'm just saying rogue ded for the memes anyway
I'm pretty happy with our current state

They have a better tool kit than a monk
Warrior is squishier than monk
monk is a glass cannon
What are you on about
A glass cannon that does 30M sustained aoe
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Get bark on cd
Easy clap
SeemsGood
Monks have defensives, heals, and karma
Damn I'm missing an emote
Balanced
Monk does your job, and does it better
Priest lul
Monk most played melee
Rogue second most played
Warrior is third most played, 8% below monk
ULTRAGIGALUL
Warriors are too squishy huh
DK is suprisingly low
Itās dps dk @vestal wren
too immobile
^
for m+ anyways
dk is definitely meh
Makes sense yeah
Speed set all day
oh only dps kk
Dh isnāt bad
^^
Lots of damage
rip druid tank in m+
Good utility
warrior tho.....feelsbadman
godlike on melee
honestly tho rip Druid lol
worrior can be decent in certain doungeons with spell reflect
People complain about the dps meta
smallest health pool
But the tank and healer meta is SO scuffed
I really hope for more balance in M+ amongst the classes
especially for tanks since I main one
been wanting to push high keys on my warrior
and it's been a long journey
Look at that
lolololololol
I'm glad to see druid tanks there honestly, they deserve it
Thatās healers
yep that makes sense
Ouch
Hpal and Rdruid too good
You canāt make m+ balanced
Without giving people more utility and thatās gonna affect their raid balance
I told him to reroll druid
For example if you start giving monk more shit
Theyāre gonna be batshit insane
Theyāre already insane in raids
true true
yup
lul
Ring of peace PogChamp
I assume that 8.7% rogue representation is largely subtlety?
100% outlaw
Dunno man, I've seen everything in m+ lol
I've been preferring ass over sub
but both are amazing
I refuse to call it sin
it will always be ass to me
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Think we can all agree here that we're ass men
Sin and sub both really have their place in M+
I test on the daily how much harder she lets me slap her ass, hasn't complained in a year
next I'm going to use a baseball bat

Exactly what I'm looking for^
Wat

@gilded lark
Here in rogue discord, we do not condone domestic violence


All rogues specs take reduced fall damage, sub has a trait in their weapon that makes it no fall damage
good to know before I jumped off the elevator in vault like I normally do lol
would have been salty af
but hilarious
very
I should have lied, but misinformation is against the rules... š¤
I died a lot when I switched from sub back in the day
But I'm dumb, so there's that
Wow, no takers?
Out of poison huh
Not even broadsides insults me 
You aussie? @manic vigil
No. But I love em so I take it as a compliment
cba is pretty well used lol
turned into cbf these days
either way
Honestly first time I've seen it in a public setting lol
heard it first from our mages "cba to do mechanics", i had to google that shit
yup...sitting there like wtf is cba....
rop down? nah fuck mate cba
Cbf?
rop? ring of peace?
That I have never heard
cbf all day lol

Aussies are great btw. This whole deal of calling friends cunts and people who piss you off mate is just hilarious. I have never met an unpleasant aussie
lolol
That continent is op af
My plan is to move back to au with the wife
But there are so many dangerous animals. Anything is fucking venomous and wants to kill you
If that has anything to do with it 
Why is Tom just wearing a bandana for pants
Kids these days
Ugh
Oh look who it is
Hi
Everyone's favorite xaethron
I am hella fucking bored
wasnt there a bfa channel or am i ghih
Ghih?
i meant high but also i must just be stupid
I believe rogues will make a top dps comeback in bfa
I really think they're going to be so strong
Rogue is really good right now in T21
^
especially ST.
I feeeely. that Oultaw will be very strong early. due to RTB. then taper off as we get gear
those bones feed a lot of stat weights
Outlaw 
i hope outlaw see some light in bfa
I feely that it will be a strong M+ variant

like ret divine storm cleave.
I hope not
they are likely not done with spec changes yet (e.g. sub has a "comming soon" talent)
BF charges tho 
I feely that CBB can be revisited to be stronk
BF is just like gloves
it is a good call.
set it and forget it is not a good mechanic.
Why not
else we find that the ST pushes the aoe really really high. so they nerf the St
Actually dealing aoe dmg seems pretty good
I dont mind the CD. just plan for packs. then use it.
what they should do is push BTE template up 3x
It's weird idk
so you cant Bladeflurry it, but hit hard as fuck ST
the crit multiplier on SS and BTE was a whiff on 2ndary
because the baseline BTE was too low to use as a non crit
Dunno
Charges feels bad
Bake the gloves into outlaw
And charges would feel good
they can just bump bf to 50% etc due to short window
scaling is my concern. what stat will make them gods
at least we have mastery
their mastery is garbage.
hasted bleeds will prob always be better than fast whites.
i hope outlaw is good, i play it a bit in m+ since i got bloves
gloves*
but honestly i just play whatever in m+ at this point, we never do higher that 21
outlaw just has better mog options tbh
need them to be viable
outlaw is way too much effort for little gain
Currently.
get friggin hand cramps
snd isnt super high effort
I mean, I don't even understand their intent. Are our specs supposed to cater to a niche? If so outlaw aoe, sin st seems nice. Not sure what about sub then
feels like fire mage
its still spammy as hell
Slow it down. Hit harder.
i had this duscission a lot
Whatever. If it sucks. No one will play it.
and i dont think that sin has st as a niche
Agreed
in nighthold it did
But what exactly is is
you couldnt do anything else with ap
its a big concept that ppl think is true due to the fact that it was the strongest st spec and also had it spot guaranteed due to AP
a sub spec that doesnt revolve around DFA comboing would be fun, heres to hoping next expac
sins strengh is sustained multi target and downtimes in my opinion
Sub burst, sin low count cleave, outlaw aoe then?
well i am not even sure dfa is the best talent setup on alpha

given the FW uptime is rly low if you play it and symbols is back to 30 secs cd
i was mainly meaning in 7.3.5
also shd is longer what gives you energy issues
is it currently about maximizing FW?
that could be fun*
yes maximising FW could be a potential good way
tho i rly š„ to know what the "coming soon" talent is
in what tier?

if we could rebalance live, i would be ok with outlaw having a much higher M+ AoE value
maybe with bf cd, it will be closer to Beam
Yeah
the gcd on cooldowns feel a bit wired on alpha
If it hits hard enough a slight downtime will be okay I guess
especially on vendetta
Just not sure I like it design wise
Oh yeah they are playing around with gcd again right
Getting cooldowns and trinkets back on there etc

they change it every few expacs
I'm confident in their abilities to make wow a balanced environment as it has always been

i almost thought u were srs

Maybe we should riot
Riot flew in people to give them comments about champion reworks
Ven on gcd is fine

Think about bf on gcf āæ

riot introduced delayes to abilities too
Donāt really mind that tbh fuu
e.g. nidalee and zed where the first victoms
At least thereās no turn speed
just saying š¤·
True
ye bf is a bit š
But yeah I like that
They take opinions from high rated otps on champ reworks
Thats cool
Well just imagine that it would most likely be flowi who is flown in to mess shit up 
He'd screw us all just for lulz
Giggle would get the transmogs sorted out tho
Thereās no rogue mog anymore tho
And make a bunch of Blizzard employees cry
Itās leather wearers now

LUL
assasins creed transmog for sub rogues
it is tho
i am in
instead of having like 5 mog sets we'll have like 10
Isnāt that less variety then
no...? 10 is more than 5
Wait
we're going to have more sets to use
No itās the other way
since we wont be limited to just rogue stuff
Thereās gonna be 1 leather set
1 Mail set
1 plate set
Different color variations
theres going to be a BUNCH of leather sets that all leather classes have access to
P sure itās 1 set per tier
I might be wrong tho
Ah
a set for each raid
Uhhh
a set for isle crap
I dunno if itās a set for each dungeon
theres going to be a lot of different sets
I think youāre exaggerating it lol I doubt itās a set per instance

A set per zone, sure
@manic vigil just make a 10/10 mog and you wont get dissed. ez
I'm not going in that channel 
Is that inf youāre saying a quote or speculation
@shrewd oriole regardless - they are going to have more variety to make up for everyone who uses leather sharing sets
the specifics are tbd
obvi
#transmog is the most toxic channel
Fair
I like the change even if it results in less variety š¤·
It's a savage place indeed
I just want the mythic sets to look thematically cool
Some sets rn are just... what
i like the legion mythic sets
personally
antorus has the worst tho imo but some people love it
robin hood, thats all i have to say about the antorus set
Canāt say im a fan of stealing from the rich to feed the poor no sorry 
Surprising
Have a nice saturday yall
Rip asso š¤
Rest in piece asso you wonāt be forgotten

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godtier wine btw
Enjoy
i am thanks

No
Good
I'm a humanist

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Wtf
I mean a 4k score is not enough for +15 apparently
Yes, because you are a noname.
Mean
True
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I was memeing because thats what someone called tisumi :(
tophxic much?
Yeah muscle
That's why you say @gusty kestrel who are you?! šŖ
no chance you're benched poison boy
Link argus grey.
grats
Yay we did it
Upper is good for sin tho.
Yeah
tru
We make our apps soak
Yeah in +15 where mobs totally not die after a shadowdance
Like. Don't waste my tree.
By soaking noobe
I'm the only rogue rn so guess who's on bitch duty all the time 
15s are fun because you can play anything
Wtf
An elaborate diss orchestrated by tyra
Tyra has to make you look bad so that he gets all the gear even when he loses rolls.
No but like
why would you send someone down that has played the boss like 200 times
when you could just put someone where that could potentially wipe you
because no xp
Yeah that seems weird toph 
Tyra makes fun of toph
He does
For how much he is here
Yeah
Anyways
Tyra a frigging genius confirmed
The nice things you say tom
Why not phrase it slightly less offensive tho
But I have people pming me these things
Easy fix

@spare cloud what time ?
I like it but people are touchy
@manic vigil
Slowly gonna lose all regulars
You know. You basically just mess up dons day
they dont just pm me
they add me on bnet
oh you were tlaking about ppl pming you they hate rh 
idk how he found me
Bet they would if my logs were public 
why do you accept them
Could be method
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that is compact view
@turbid harbor can u help pls
LUL
Holy fuck you have a lot of friends
Uni feeling lonely
so many i need to delete some to add someone new š¤·š¼
No
Reduced
From 100 to 200
Hmm


@jovial kite lol rip.
@spare cloud hello M tos when? Letās do avatar PLEASE
I wanna come
Lul


Tf shoulders tho 
@lone junco whatdid i do 
Log shot Inc
thonking intensifies
Wf would be an upgrade for me
Well that's not impossible then
I need to buy some groceries really quick and then we can go
Only 2 rogues
@gusty kestrel
@manic vigil


why are you pinging everyone @manic vigil
At least you're honest with yourself

@gusty kestrel did you sleep well

Toph
@spare cloud
sounds not so good
@spare cloud 2 things 1 do you have a boomie in your guild 2 when is tos
I'm just going to the store really quick
I dont think he's willing to give you private lessons
Never been there
might want to check out boomie dc
Yes you can
you can tag aethys too, š¤
@keen inlet We all miss you in here.

how dare he
same
remember when we had our own rodent shadowblade? with his witty and snappy comments
and now he doesn't even read chat anymore
or play the game
RIP
idd
everyone pay their respects
š«
Hello
You've been replaced

stalker tom 
Too busy tiling kitchen, making dump runs
and testing outlaw on alpha, fam
but ily2
You're not coming anyways
feelsbad
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@gusty kestrel @fervent beacon @manic vigil
ouch

ty 4 thoughts & prayers
i'm not upset until beta comes around and i get ignored again
@spare cloud wait are we gonna do avatar in the pug
I wonāt join if we donāt do avatar I donāt need anything else
I'm not sure I can't find any good players
So I think this is not gonna happen
I would do avatar in a pug but I'm pretty sure the pug is not going to agree
I only need avatar as well
Is avatar not puggable now?
ye it is
also maiden dies after first teleport
o
so you just need to play the fight for like 1:15
nice
Whats avatar kill time like ?
weakaura
Can you just force him to fall then zerg lel
Soaking is np because we have our rogues here
Thats the dream
Toph wanted me as soak whore but I ditched
Yeah because you're a slacker and would rather do hc than farm useful gear
I will never play bleed anyway 
With good tf
Ofc
All I was trying to say was that every poison build uses 2pc
except for shoulders bracers
even bracers boots uses it if its rolled well
or can use it rather
We can pug tom but I don't have any good people
uehhh???
the fok is dis? https://snag.gy/0O7Ck9.jpg
it's going away when I get closer to the ground
weird
wanna try and pug some good people?
could check
see if we get ce etc
if we just get people applying with no experience
we fuck off
So is the bleed build worth trying?
If it sims higher for you
u on @spare cloud
why don't the top sin rogues run it if it sims better?
Some do
like my bleed is simming 30k higher then poison atm but im not sure if its worth to swap after were 500 pulls on argus already
The bleed spec I assume is running crit/vers for itemization?
@grim wolf crit vers, 2p 4p bracers boots
i can play it fine just seeing top 100 sin rogues on argus all playing poison and only 1 bleed makes me wonder how itll do for argus
but its not those pb procc in shoulder window kinda dmg
O u run 2p 4p interesting
if youre poison your dps will explode if youre on that one lucky try with good bomb rng
that is true
cause heres my sims between the 2
Poison: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kqzGTpYVUdsWMjQcHPPqFR
Bleed: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ayBdvrAUU3pdhe6MyYB9np
just dont have crit gems and enchants on the piece that are used in poison atm
I know 1 rogue who plays bleed at a high level
Who
Jack
ewww
What a relief! it sims worse for me
you can swap enchants and gems in your sim btw @jovial vault
Why is it a relief?
@spare cloud fuck you too buddy
Its a fun af build
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@jovial kite ā¤
Yeah you know what it probably would be better cuz I'm having a hard time with Toxic blade tbh
I'm not your buddy my friend
What are you struggling with
Im the only exsang player in top 100 in many bosses
Ask tisumi if u got questions im busy
Thats like winning paralympics
@strange python how not so great with sims
idd
wouldnt you agree that the paralympian reference is moot then 
Only tier piece I had, calm down beyonce
No duh itll sim lower then mate?
No because its normal for paralympians to beat up on normal dudes
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but they wont win against a professional runner
ok buddy
"Beyonce" kek
@strange python https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ctcG87SAaAPn2bzy3LmLSK with crit enchants and gems now 3k dif
for future referrence
its fine
not for you
Am i gonna get banned?
You hate retracted people
sure? 
Jack says im busy
Well I do hate everyone
proceeds to argue with toph
shghhhhh
but thats not the point

What 2 pieces of tier do I want from tier 20?
It doesnt matter if you hate or love
almost had to reveal my
toph
it just matters if you hate/love everyone equally
Ur lucky i didnt
Screenshotted
Shoulders gloves @dusty quest
Makes the two of us
just be like me
Are you me
muted before
itll happen again













