assassination

[strange python]

ok o my stats are 27crit 203mas 13 verse anyone know what I should do to improve like what gear to look for? i have 3 malch relics

sim yourself

[frozen pecan]

ilvl upgrades

[strange python]

and get stats accordingly

[humble crane]

@gusty kestrel mind if I ask what your sim dps mate?

[strange python]

ok thanks

[vapid moth]

I've always been told it's good for sub. That's where i actually see sub pop up in logs

[strange python]

yes

[vapid moth]

Oof

Hard choice

Depends how tall the skyscraper is

[humble crane]

I get 2.2m with standard poison build and shoulders, 2.12 as your build with 40% crit, 151% mastery. I think my versitility is much lower that yours. You are at 11 and im at 7%

[brisk forge]

They can AoE the adds and if you are close enough. So sub is Good on agg hc

But not op ofc

[vapid moth]

Lmao

Dis a joke

[strange python]

tisumi what ilvl?

[brisk forge]

Yeah but that is the case when sub shine on agg if you stack them

[fervent beacon]

I don't because I ain't no cuck who play sub

🤔

[brisk forge]

My Rogue buddie parse rank1 cuz of it 😜

[vapid moth]

Spit on de non beleva

[frozen pecan]

bracers boots tisumi right?

[faint vale]

2.26M simdps 👌

[humble crane]

@gusty kestrel Wonder where I am differing so much from you hmmm

[vapid moth]

So many alacrity on tonight. This point it may as well have it's own color

[fervent beacon]

Well, it does

[vapid moth]

Neo what about relics

[fervent beacon]

its yellow 🤷

[frozen pecan]

subterfuge sims higher for me aswell but I dunno if I like playing it

nightstalker is more versatile

[vapid moth]

Subterfuge is shit I agree

[fervent beacon]

As Alacrity, I'd play it because your env won't hit as hard anymore.

[somber cipher]

d

d

d

d

d

d

d

d

d

d

[vapid moth]

...

[fervent beacon]

F

[frozen pecan]

I mean subterfuge sims like 4k higher for me, that's like nothing

[vapid moth]

Yeah

I like the NS movement speed

[frozen pecan]

lol

[vapid moth]

Good luck getting thag wish granted

Tell you what. If you hop off my dick tonight maybe I'll let it happen

[humble crane]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g8kP9vRw184pWCAGUZAsXT

[vapid moth]

Anywho

As I was saying

I like NS movement speed more

[humble crane]

Man sorry team, I was just trying to get some info about all this shit, not start all this drama -.-

[vapid moth]

You didn't start anything

He just doesn't like when someone pokes at his build

[frozen pecan]

lmao rh discord drama, don't worry about it neo

[vapid moth]

Oh

Go use my Mutilate opener

[frozen pecan]

lmao mutilate opener?

[vapid moth]

Yes

It's a joke lmao

[frozen pecan]

you open with mutilate

[vapid moth]

They hate it so much

But I promise in not one of my logs have I opened with mutilate

[fervent beacon]

It's okay, Alacrity will always be ahead of you in progression <3.

[prime void]

Hes just a fucking troll

Ignore him

[frozen pecan]

xaethron = mattB? lul

[fervent beacon]

Now I finally remember why I logged on wow, so i can sim myself

but im baked as f

[vapid moth]

Wtf is mattb

[fervent beacon]

[prime void]

Worse than

By far

[frozen pecan]

your alter ego

[vapid moth]

I have no alter ego. Only the best ego

[fervent beacon]

Still can't kill Felhoud

🤔

[vapid moth]

I mean if you wanna base my skill on my guilds progression then go ahead

[frozen pecan]

lol

[fervent beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qFy6K8GxcpbitLd6aMsMNo

That's with insig/boots

I use it for parsing, but on progression, I run boots/bracers

[frozen pecan]

alacrity bois 😮

[humble crane]

what are your relics @gusty kestrel tisumi? My relics are 1. MA, CD, BB, 2. GW, CD, MA and 3. MA, CD, TB.

[fervent beacon]

Yeah @frozen pecan , parsed 89% on mythic vari kek

[frozen pecan]

lol that's pretty good

[fervent beacon]

Going to try it with insig/boots for the next kill

[frozen pecan]

I need gear for alacrity I don't want to press tb anymore :>

[humble crane]

I tried, I think you have PM's blocked, was trying to take it out of this chat to avoid more drama lol @gusty kestrel

[vapid moth]

Oh nah

I was going to sleep anyway

Please don't let me interrupt

[fervent beacon]

Dude, playing Alacrity made it hard to get back to using TB because you're going to be spamming env and have high uptime with it

[humble crane]

void whats your sim with boots instead of insig?

[frozen pecan]

you can afk even more during the fight then lul

[fervent beacon]

I'm simming that right now Neo, boots/bracers

[humble crane]

cheers

[frozen pecan]

how much does it sim lower compared to your tb build @fervent beacon

[fervent beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8mttFgjK43mtmcf42A5XGi

boots/bracers

and if i run mantle/bracers in TB, simming it atm

[vapid moth]

That crit stat weight scares me

[fervent beacon]

Well, I'm not running mantle so that doesn't surprise me one bit

[faint vale]

Hmm will try my alacrity with insg aswell later. Maybe gets it closer to my tb

[vapid moth]

Even so

Highest I've seen

[brisk forge]

Alac and EP Feels nice to bad it Sims at 2.5 and MP/TB 2.3 🙈 But Maybe will go with alac cuz progression is over 👍🏻

[fervent beacon]

I think it took me about 46% as outlaw to start devalue crit without mantle

[prime void]

My crit stat weight is like 53?

[vapid moth]

Have I ever seen it?

[fervent beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hoA8D9eQi3ZTPjZtwoXFKT

[vapid moth]

Was I around when you posted shit?

[faint vale]

You sim 2.5M with alac/ep?

[vapid moth]

Would I care enough to look at any link you post?

[brisk forge]

Yeahh

[faint vale]

You sim 2.5M with alac/ep?

[fervent beacon]

I'm comparing my sims with different build and leggos

[frozen pecan]

that's like no difference @fervent beacon

[humble crane]

im still 45k lower than my TB/MP sims with ravenholdt 😦

[fervent beacon]

Yeah its about 1% dps difference

[faint vale]

You sim 2.5M with alac/ep?

[brisk forge]

God, yes i told ya 😂

[frozen pecan]

worth it if you don't have to press tb anymore ^^

[fervent beacon]

You just going to be using env so much its not even funny lol

[vapid moth]

Neo what's your ilvl

[fervent beacon]

especially if you have high crit base

[viscid helm]

82% mut crit btw

[fervent beacon]

🤤

[brisk forge]

Screw shoulders with that crit am i right 😜

[fervent beacon]

[frozen pecan]

BB relics feel so good

[humble crane]

whats the fundamental playstyle difference as alac void, if I were to swap and try it

[frozen pecan]

you don't use tb anymore ^^

[vapid moth]

No tb

Oh. He beat me. And I typed less

[faint vale]

Discord sent it more then once. Sorry. Bad internet here

[fervent beacon]

It's hard to say in details, but nutshell no TB and you just spam env maintaining the buff up for majority of the time

[frozen pecan]

stack up alac ofc

[fervent beacon]

Yes and your poison critting as well

Faster AA = More poison crit = more energy regen

[frozen pecan]

ask Flowi he's the alacrity master 😄

[viscid helm]

Funny how people only now have picked up Alac, even tho i have been spamming it for the past +6 months

[frozen pecan]

you're ahead of time Flowi

like a trendsetter

[prime void]

People have picked alac up because of your spam.

Takes time to spread something like that

[shrewd oriole]

Morning

[prime void]

Go back to bed tom

Its better than here

[shrewd oriole]

Oh no

Is xaethron still online?

[frozen pecan]

nah he left I think

[shrewd oriole]

Hopefully the server

Never seen someone who’s killed nothing but garothi world breaker on M talk so much out of his ass

[frozen pecan]

That's actually pretty funny lol

not his fault tho it's his guilds fault

Kappa

[fervent beacon]

he doesn't know de wae to the light

[shrewd oriole]

Insulting @supple hearth directly, what a brave fool

[frozen pecan]

RIP

[shrewd night]

Its not that he insulted her transmog

Its more than he used the r word

[viscid helm]

The day has come, when transmog channel more toxic than assa

Sounds like a new home

[prime void]

Why isnt spreading shit info mutable?

Muteable?

[open reef]

what leggy u sim with EP and Alac

?

[fervent beacon]

bracers/boots for most of the time. some of us sim higher with insig raven/holdt.

[shrewd night]

Its a bannable offence, but noone does shit about it

[zealous dew]

alacrity should be a bannable offence

[humble crane]

im 10k higher with raven, but still 45k lower than TB/MP build >.<

[shrewd oriole]

Njce

I wish misinformation was bannable

Xaethron would be long gone

Same for zempai tho

LUL

🤔 primary stars

[frozen pecan]

they used to be a thing

[jovial vault]

What's with all this talk lately about using alac?

[shrewd oriole]

It’s a pretty decent talent

[jovial vault]

What Legos and talent setup are people using for it?

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve seen bracers boots, bracers ring and boots ring

It’s not particularly better for your dps, it just feels a lot smoother to play

[jovial vault]

Just wondering cause of its a dps increase might as well play it for that little extra for Argus

What's the talent setup for it?

[shrewd oriole]

Instead of MP, ep

Instead of TB, alac

[faint vale]

Tom with the quick delete.

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah, brain fart

[faint vale]

👌 You noticed it

[jovial vault]

Ok gonna have to see the dps diff between the 2

Thx

[solid nova]

👋

[shrewd oriole]

It’s better on longer fights

[solid nova]

I slept through and missed the drama 😦

[supple mesa]

Oh hey guys, is alacrity ever used with shoulders?

[shrewd oriole]

No

No point

[nimble tartan]

BOONK GANG

[supple mesa]

Alright thanks.

[open reef]

insignia seems decent with alac

[shrewd oriole]

If you had checked above

Before typing

You would’ve seen I gave a list of leggos

[supple mesa]

Why would i randomly scroll up in discord

[shrewd night]

Because drama

[shrewd oriole]

Cuz the answer to your q is there 90% of the time

[shrewd night]

Hidden in the two billion messages

Happy hunting

[shrewd oriole]

I mean it’s like 20 messages above

🤔

[shrewd night]

Dont ruin my point breh

[shrewd oriole]

😠

[shrewd night]

😡

[shrewd oriole]

Hunter is 943

[supple mesa]

Or i could ask a question get an answer and acoid this conversation. But instead you chose to go this direction. Anyway thanks for the reply. Have a good night

[shrewd oriole]

With 4 set

[shrewd night]

Wew lad

[solid nova]

Popping off on the hunter already fam

[shrewd oriole]

P poggers

[shrewd night]

when you boosting my warrior this weekend, Tom?

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah man some guy got my 3 pieces of tier in our normal run

[zealous dew]

i need rogue boost 😦

can't level takes forever

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t they already do that for you in raids already?

Oh

[zealous dew]

they do!

my baby rogue is 47

[solid nova]

Gofundme page

People have donated for less

Make it happen

[shrewd oriole]

I’d donate a euro

[zealous dew]

doing it now!

[solid nova]

I'll donate a singular gbp

[shrewd night]

So 0,000001 dollars

[supple mesa]

I got you on 500 bits

[solid nova]

1.4USD to the GBP

[shrewd oriole]

Dude I should do a gofundme for a webcam

[solid nova]

I have the superior currency

[shrewd oriole]

[shrewd night]

Dont worry, when they do the brexit thing they are dumping themselves into the oceans

[shrewd oriole]

Aka ask my mother

[solid nova]

😂

[frozen pecan]

use your mobile phone as webcam

😄

[shrewd oriole]

Probably pretty decent camera quality

[frozen pecan]

ye

[shrewd night]

Stream myfreecams, convince them its you

[shrewd oriole]

iPhone 8 has a great camera

[shrewd night]

???

Profit

[solid nova]

Samsung crew

[shrewd oriole]

Cringe

[frozen pecan]

use epoccam works pretty good

tom stream inc

[solid nova]

Can you do it in English and then give the occasional Portuguese translation

[shrewd oriole]

I’ll buy a cam this weekend

[solid nova]

Like Dora the Explorer?

So i can learn the language whilst being entertained

[shrewd oriole]

Lmao

“Motherfucker no poison bomb”

Filha da puta, nem uma bomba de veneno

[solid nova]

Perfect

[frozen pecan]

bomba de veneno

lul

[solid nova]

The gf is trying to teach me Croatian atm. Cant help but put some weird Russian accent on everything

[shrewd oriole]

Da

[frozen pecan]

just tell her puse kurac @solid nova

[solid nova]

Everything just sounds angry

[supple mesa]

Battery life on androids blows tho

[solid nova]

And everything I say sounds like a Russian mafia member

[shrewd oriole]

Portuguese is like Latin Russian

Everyone says we sound angry too

[solid nova]

@supple mesa Got a fast charger though fam, takes less than an hour for full charge

[frozen pecan]

I have a bunch of croatian and serbian friends they only teach me curse words lul

[supple mesa]

No shit? Gotta stain me one of thode 😂 my shit takes like 2 hours to chsrge and stays workikg for like 4 if i use it alot

[gilded lark]

@old osprey 🤔

[solid nova]

Wtf lol

[gilded lark]

edgy boi

[supple mesa]

Shits kinda old tho.

[gilded lark]

deleting anything he types

[solid nova]

Ive seen both

@supple mesa Yeah mine just came with the S8 as standard. Took me forever to get used to the screen size after I had an iphone 5s

[supple mesa]

I got the s6 getting a new phone next week was debating getting a iphone. You think the 8 better thsn a iphone tho?

[solid nova]

I've legit always had iphones

The S8 was my first non iphone

Wouldnt go back tbh

[gilded lark]

android master race

[frozen pecan]

I have an Iphone 6 right now wouldn't buy an iphone again

[solid nova]

Not had one of the newer iphones though

As my last iphone was a 5s

[supple mesa]

Bet ill stick with it then

[solid nova]

So comparing an S8 to a 5S is a bit unfair

Dropped my current phone a few times, not even a scratch

Sneezed on my iphone and screen obliterated

[supple mesa]

😂

[zealous dew]

made gofundme

[frozen pecan]

I dropped my Iphone a couple of times, it never took any damage.

still you're fucking jailed with their OS

[solid nova]

Yeah had to pay so much more to move to another type of phone

Or super cheap to stay apple

[frozen pecan]

It's fucking annoying that you can only install stuff from their appstore

[shrewd night]

On behalf of everyone working with users and phones. Thank fuck they only allow apps from the appstore.

[solid nova]

I just want to lock my phone with youtube running

[supple mesa]

I just wanna play music and close youtube

[frozen pecan]

I do work with users, you can restrict what they can download and install so that's not an issue imo

[supple mesa]

Do anything that is

I heard you can buy some youtube red shit and do that

Dunno if its true

[frozen pecan]

everyone wants youtube to work in background lul

still they don't give a fuck

[solid nova]

Just for the sick mixes that i cant get on spotify

Paying for premium for what 😡

[shrewd night]

Using YouTube for music tho. Something I've struggled to understand outside of the cost perspective

[supple mesa]

Tbh idk ive used it since i was a kid never adapted lol

[frozen pecan]

Doesn't matter if you have unlimited download :>

[somber cipher]

.

[solid nova]

Just the one this time?

[strange python]

what>

screenshots or nothing happened

[solid nova]

🤔

[deep oyster]

which poisons should i use?

[strange python]

well that's not a lie

@deep oyster not funny, if the questions is serious tho please explain why you're having difficulties 😃

[deep oyster]

just wondering if i should use deadly poison or wound poison @strange python

[solid nova]

@deep oyster

And if you're talking about a pvp situation, at honour level 8, your Deadly Brew talent you unlock applies wound poison with your deadly poison applications.

[strange python]

@deep oyster Deadly Poison simply does WAY too much damage, that's why you don't wanna use wound poison

also in pvp, you really want that pvp talent

[deep oyster]

Aight 😃 thanks alot 😄

[solid nova]

No worries mate

[viscid helm]

Rip WP 2k17

[strange python]

yup

you game design is a fkcing bad joke when Deadly Brew is the viable talent since launch and WP still in the game

[viscid helm]

Well it was not long ago when WP was the superior poison

NH/ToS

Iirc

[echo estuary]

deadly brew should be baseline not a talent

[sharp viper]

there were times when you were able to have both poisons on your weapons...

[echo estuary]

in bfa mfd and vigor are gonna share the talent tier. really bad decision as well. sub is clunky w/o vigor but really needs mfd too

[timber mauve]

if you guys had to choose between eye of command and shadow-singed, both sim almost identical, for M Agg, which would you go with?

[viscid helm]

Well it doesnt really matter

IF they sim the same

[timber mauve]

maybe eye, so i know the stats are always up? to hit finishers?

[remote oak]

Same. There’s inevitable target swaps in that encounter

[timber mauve]

true, but its a super fast build up

prob 6s

[remote oak]

That’s true, but if they’re simming nearly identically then any advatage throws it in the favor of the other trinket

[timber mauve]

i keep thinking, its possible with singed to miss buff at crucial moments

[shrewd night]

Are you even going to be in range of the adds during intermission?

Considering FoKlife

[remote oak]

Yeah that’s the trade off for an RNG trinket.

[brisk forge]

I'd go fang, not a fan of eoc

Aight!

Sure man, will link raidbot later this evening 💪 Not home atm

Just tag me around 19 so i dont forget to link 👍🏻

[magic zenith]

During Kingsbane hold finishers (without capping energy or letting rupture fall off) to keep max up time on Surge of Toxins -- or is that wasting time and Surge of Toxins only really matters during the last few ticks o kingsbane?

waiting until 1 or 2 seconds left on Surge of Toxins before spending

[viscid helm]

Should play the real talents

And have 100% uptime on envenom,surge,2pc and EP

[magic zenith]

Keeping envenom and surge up at the same time seems tricky, but I guess that's the point.

[viscid helm]

How is it tricky?

[hazy flame]

Envenom procs surge so

[viscid helm]

You envenom and get both?

[magic zenith]

but rupture doesn't envenom =p

[hazy flame]

Well you should prepare yourself before kb

[viscid helm]

IF you use rupt during KB

U already fucked up

[faint vale]

I alsowant proof. I have really good gear and sim 2.4M with tb. Highly doubt you are able to hit 2.5 with alac

[magic zenith]

Fair enough.

[viscid helm]

Unless u play alac

[hazy flame]

I mean you can probably rupt during kb if you saved enough energy

[viscid helm]

Yeh but the point was

He said it was "tricky"

So obviously he didnt have energy

[magic zenith]

So if that's the case, fresh rupture early before kingsbane OR hold kingsbane until after refreshing rupture normally?

[viscid helm]

Well i have dog shit gear

And dont play the game

Still sim 2.38 with alac

[hazy flame]

Dont hold kb

[viscid helm]

You can get 2.5 for sure

[faint vale]

Just out of curiosity. Do you min mac less cp rupture to need to refresh rupture before kb or just overwrite the rupture pre pandemic.

[viscid helm]

With gear

[hazy flame]

You can refresh rupture before kb but imo thats not the optimal play, just pool energy

[formal copper]

Blizztard lov3s trolling me. I have mostly every single legendary..only ones in missing are mine BIS ones.....

[sharp viper]

welcome to world of RNGcraft

[shrewd oriole]

@fiery flower its a private sim

[viscid helm]

[marble hemlock]

do i have to join the alacrity cult and send someone nudes before I can have a look at that sim?

[solid nova]

No one wants your nudes

Sorry

[viscid helm]

Members only

[marble hemlock]

is that an answer to the first or second part of my question?

which is easier to master in a day or two? windwalker, dh or boomy?

[viscid helm]

Dh

[solid nova]

dh

easily

[marble hemlock]

sigh

i was afraid of that

im guessing when you pull 20+ mobs in a single pull its really only eyebeam spam with the helmet?

seems legit

[solid nova]

Made a dh last night, reckon i can delete half my UI with the lack of keybinds i need

[marble hemlock]

gonna have to make one for the timetrials

impossible to compete as a rogue in the mos20

[viscid helm]

Might as well delete the DH while you're at it

[shrewd oriole]

got an offer from a good guild

[viscid helm]

Im at work

[shrewd oriole]

What do

[solid nova]

Take it

[viscid helm]

U aint getting shit

[marble hemlock]

which guild?

[shrewd oriole]

Any hungry

Fat boss new guild

[viscid helm]

[solid nova]

Its like taking a promotion at work

[viscid helm]

[marble hemlock]

wheres brobot when you need him?

[viscid helm]

Tom just to funny

Cant help it

[solid nova]

I worked hard to get Flowi unmuted

Dont shit on my hard work

[sharp viper]

dh is fun purely bcz of memebeam

[lone junco]

@marble hemlock Demonic dh is pretty simple. And the main spender cleaves.

[shrewd oriole]

GigaLUL

[marble hemlock]

yeah well, i dont take much enjoyment out of classes where 80% of the damage comes from a single ability/button press

[shrewd oriole]

Sub rogue 🤔

[solid nova]

Evis btw

[marble hemlock]

my point exactly

[lone junco]

I dislike it. So I never stuck. But there is a wowgead guide

[marble hemlock]

and since sub is unplayable with blizzard confirming that they will not add glaives/contract to the mdi vendors, im looking to switch classes 😦

[solid nova]

DH is easier to learn but monk is better 🤷

Didnt like boomy personally

[marble hemlock]

yeah, the eu method guys did a mos20 yday, 9m15s

[solid nova]

915?

[viscid helm]

Ye but monk is shit most of the time

[marble hemlock]

with monk sitting at 5.3m overall and dh/mm at 4.5m

[viscid helm]

Its a gamble

[zealous dew]

how is monk a gamble ?

[viscid helm]

Cos its usually shit half of the expansion

[zealous dew]

he's talking about MDI right now

[viscid helm]

Ohh were talking mdi shit

[sharp viper]

what is the difficulty level of mdi this time? like what lvl keystones

[marble hemlock]

time trials are a 20, 22 and 24 respectively

the regional finals will be 22/23/24

[zealous dew]

ppl +2 the 26 and they test you on 20 😄

[marble hemlock]

well, they need key-levels that can be done in a manner that is entertaining to watch

watching people get comboed and oneshot on hyrja/xavius isnt fun to watch

watching them pull 20 trashpacks and do 200m dps is

[viscid helm]

I wouldnt call any part of MDI "fun"

[zealous dew]

i prefer ppl failing that boring 2000 mobs

where aoe is insane

fuck aoe

[marble hemlock]

since the regional finals are going to be on 24, and the first key is going to be a 24seat with forti/quaking/explosive, we'll still be seeing a lot of wipes :p

[craggy berry]

where did bliz say no glaives/contract on the mdi vendor?

[marble hemlock]

they confirmed it in a mail

with that retarded smiley they keep using

http://puu.sh/zNOYf/f90e2e2c1b.png

its nice looking at the trinket list for multi-target sub

and the first 8 or so trinkets in that list arent available

😄

[strange python]

Yo guys, when simming with raidbots, should i be using a custom APL? also are there any resources for APLs?

[viscid helm]

W/e u feel like

[strange python]

oke but i don't have the knowledge

[echo crest]

Should I pool energy at any time of my rotation ?

[strange python]

@echo crest what do you mean?

whether you should spam your binds like berserk?

[marble hemlock]

its less about pooling energy and more about not refreshing buffs that dont pandemic

i.e. you sit at 4+ cp, SoT/VP still have 2/3sec left respectively, so does envenom

then you wait and clip

[strange python]

@echo crest Put it this way, the most important thing is to have the right buffs at the right time, if you spam mutilate like a retard you will never be able to achieve that

[viscid helm]

What

[strange python]

lma flowi, go sleep man

[echo crest]

So I should pool in a way I keep envenom buff up all time more like that right?

[viscid helm]

Play

[strange python]

There is no reason to be energy starved

If you are always energy starved you can't plan ahead

and not just envenom buff

if you don't pool energy the right way you'll end up not being able to apply bleeds properly

[marble hemlock]

you dont want to refresh buffs before they run out, or rather clip them during the last 0.x seconds

since neither Surge of Toxins nor Virulent Poisons pandemic

[shrewd night]

With good gear and high crit you wont have to pay attention to envenom buff, it just happens automaticly with your rotation. Only pool a little bit for KB imo

[viscid helm]

[echo crest]

What do you mean by bleeds properly ?

I feel like that shiennar

[marble hemlock]

you dont want to have to refresh rupture during a Kingsbane

[trail spear]

Does someone know the exact usage for max Dps for Kingsbane / Toxic Blade? Always on cooldown or wait for them both to be up , and then which one to use first ? And if I got vanish then first kignsbane + toxic -> vanish envenom?

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t pool for kb

Only for Tb

[viscid helm]

Read the guide

[shrewd oriole]

@marble hemlock not true, can easily refresh rupture inside kb as long as you don’t drop envenom

[marble hemlock]

yeah well

[shrewd oriole]

Its inside Tb you don’t wanna rupture

Ever

[marble hemlock]

depending on gear/energy usage, thats not gonna happen if you have to refresh rupture

[trail spear]

guide isnt as good / exact for like the maximum dps

not specific enough

[shrewd oriole]

Uh

[viscid helm]

@gaunt moat

Called out

[marble hemlock]

yeah, notter just got called out

someones gonna get banned

[shrewd oriole]

@marble hemlock that’s true, the higher the crit the easier it is

[marble hemlock]

but yes, its not the actual priority to not rupture during KB

[shrewd oriole]

But as long as you don’t drop envenom it’s not a damage loss

Ye

Exactly

[marble hemlock]

its to have envenom up 100%, if you can fit a rupture in there while doing that, good for you

[viscid helm]

Tom

Did u join

That guild

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/zNPWf/14436253ec.png

the dream

[quick talon]

👋

[trail spear]

which log did you get with 96% lol

[marble hemlock]

mine, vari hc last week

4min fight 😮

[viscid helm]

Seems low

[marble hemlock]

woudlve been 100%

with alacrity

😦

[strange python]

ahahahhahaha

[marble hemlock]

btw technically it still is a dps loss having to rupture during KB, since envenom applies an additional KB stack, but its rather minor

[strange python]

here we go again

[marble hemlock]

unless they changed that and i wasnt aware of the change

[trail spear]

hey seliathan when do you use kingsbane / toxic blade? on cooldown or

[marble hemlock]

i almost always delay

and pop TB in the last 9sec of KB

[trail spear]

And when you delay

Do you first use Rupture / garrote -> Envenom -> Kingsbane ?

[marble hemlock]

only times i dont do it, is when TB is up 3+sec before KB comes off cd, which basically never happens anymore, or when i get a bomb proc

[trail spear]

So you start kingsbane with envenom

[shrewd oriole]

@viscid helm no

[marble hemlock]

i.e. i use kb, pop an envenom and proc a bomb, then i TB reactively

[shrewd oriole]

I was trolling

It’s a casual streamer guild lmao

It’s basically future lite

Cringe

[strange python]

top kek

[marble hemlock]

i dont specifically play around popping an envenom before KB, i just happen to have fairly high envenom uptimes already due to my gear

[trail spear]

is it worth at lets say dogs with both stacked to vanish Fan of knives or stay mutilate?

[marble hemlock]

youll either rupture/envenom when playing nightstalker, or double garrote when playing subterfuge

you never want to muti/fok after vanishing

[trail spear]

ah

hmm okay, ty for everything... do I have any more questions hmm

pretty much only played Sub until now 😄

[marble hemlock]

if you could handle sub cd management you wont be having any issues playing assa once you get the feel for it

[trail spear]

yes

[viscid helm]

All of this would have been in the guide

[trail spear]

was pushing pretty ok good logs on sub

[marble hemlock]

then i woudlve been bored

also im afraid to spam 📌 in case the bot bans me

[viscid helm]

No bot

Its broken

[marble hemlock]

📌 📌 📌 📌 📌

[viscid helm]

See

[quick ice]

Just for a change

[marble hemlock]

nice

[quick ice]

It's not ever working

[trail spear]

So always delay TB and then first Kingsbane and last 9 seconds TB ?

[marble hemlock]

i do it like that

technically its the inferior way of playing however

[trail spear]

well is it the highest dps output ^^

[marble hemlock]

no, that would be using TB on CD

[trail spear]

want to push world logs, even tho its hard with the rng

oh really

[marble hemlock]

which is why it is recommended in the guides, and why the apl does it

i just dont like the feel of doing it, prefer stacking cds up

[trail spear]

mhm

[marble hemlock]

and the difference seems to be fairly small

[shrewd oriole]

Tb on cd is the way most of us play nowadays

But the difference is very minimal

[trail spear]

but I think when vanish + vendetta comes up you should do both kb + tb

delay to use both

[shrewd oriole]

Nah

[trail spear]

not?

[shrewd oriole]

You’re wrong

It’s Tb kb

[solid nova]

It's covered in the guide 🤷

Just read it

[marble hemlock]

nah, vendetta up actually makes tb into kb more valuable

[shrewd oriole]

All of that would be in the guide

[trail spear]

ahhh

[shrewd oriole]

The one you called bad

[trail spear]

well I did read the guide hehe

[shrewd oriole]

And refuse to read

[strange python]

"the inferior way of playing" , made my day lmao

[marble hemlock]

😃

[shrewd oriole]

Clearly not well enough

[marble hemlock]

well, dps-wise it is inferior

[trail spear]

well it does not answer all specific questions

detailed I think

[marble hemlock]

it does however answer all the questions you asked in the last 15min :p

[solid nova]

Its answered all of yours so far

So

[shrewd oriole]

It does answer all the questions you’re asking tho

[trail spear]

hmm

[shrewd oriole]

Hmm

[trail spear]

Ill read it again

[shrewd oriole]

🤔 hmm

[trail spear]

😄

[solid nova]

🤔

[marble hemlock]

i want my rppm poison bomb procs back 😢

[strange python]

I give you all cancer

you are all doomed now

[quick talon]

I am the cancer

[strange python]

lmao

you can you give cancer, cancer itself

[echo estuary]

are you the one who knocks?

[quick talon]

Also that, yea

[viscid helm]

Dont lie

U bitch boy

[strange python]

but maaaaaaaa, i aaam the one who knocks

[trail spear]

So you lose your gained dps stacks which get higher and higher if you drop once the Envenom buff while on Kingsbane?

[viscid helm]

[quick talon]

@viscid helm 1v1 me on neopets, nerd

[shrewd night]

wat

[viscid helm]

[midnight latch]

🍍

[viscid helm]

[quick talon]

[midnight latch]

[quick talon]

[viscid helm]

[shrewd oriole]

[midnight latch]

inb4 all 3 muted

[strange python]

random small icon

[viscid helm]

Ruined

[quick talon]

Stop spam please

[viscid helm]

Ruined

[midnight latch]

🇷

[viscid helm]

🇪

[quick talon]

🇪

[viscid helm]

🇺🇲

[supple hearth]

you all know better

RIP

if i see the noggers emoji posted anywhere else i'll remove external emojis from you specifically in every channel in ravenholdt.

dont use it

tysm

[midnight latch]

😂

[shrewd night]

🥄

[midnight latch]

becareful

no fun allowed here

[viscid helm]

:Woggers:

Ups forgot to add it

[supple hearth]

go to general if you want to meme

[hoary copper]

🔨

[keen inlet]

It's almost like there are some simple, basic rules that people can't respect due to personality flaws

almost

[solid nova]

@keen inlet Deja vu

[keen inlet]

For ppl that are so smart, they seem to have a hard time learning a simple lesson

Maybe intelligence and self-control aren't the same thing?

Frontiers of science tbh

[solid nova]

People would be intelligent to practice self control 🤷

[hoary copper]

being book smart and street smart are two different things. Most book smart people I know have little common sense

[vernal adder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nw-V5eEeAk

[strange python]

@keen inlet It almost seems like we are not on the internet

[solid nova]

Well i say that because i dont want anyone getting banned

[midnight latch]

well u can blow everything out of proportions
or u can let some ppl have fun

[solid nova]

I dont want to have to start missing people now

[keen inlet]

Have your fun without racism, it's pretty simple

this isn't a debate

[strange python]

Yeah, but for some people racism/etc etc IS THE FUN

[keen inlet]

They can take that fun elsewhere, then.

👋🏿

[strange python]

yup:P

that's why we have enforcerers

because it's pointless to expect people to respect the rules

childish to expect that tbh

[keen inlet]

Babysitters*

[strange python]

you announce the rules, who doesn't follow gets banne

*the hammer

[supple hearth]

theres a time and a place for everything and this channel is not the place.

[strange python]

lmao

I'm just saying

[molten seal]

whats the recommended talent build for assassination if i dont have any set bonus yet and no bis legendaries?

[shrewd night]

SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ <--SIN GUIDE HERE

[molten seal]

this guide doesnt really explain talents to well

[echo estuary]

read the tooltip

[shrewd night]

Oh.

Ok.

[hoary copper]

Talent setup doesnt really change much with leggos

[shrewd night]

🤷

[molten seal]

do i go bleed or poison without set?

[shrewd night]

Depends on your stats, for the most part, poison.

[molten seal]

that helps, thanks

[random shuttle]

Oh shit

[hoary copper]

🔨

[shrewd oriole]

Rip

[shrewd night]

[vernal adder]

[shrewd oriole]

Press f to our racist fallen comrades

[vernal adder]

well I wouldnt call them racist, edgy

[shrewd oriole]

Almost like I was being sarcastic

[vernal adder]

Yea I cant tell sometimes with you man 😛

[frozen pecan]

I mean, we play a racist game what do you expect?

[shrewd oriole]

Idd

Some races are better than others

Unfair

[frozen pecan]

ikr

[vernal adder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/7xvy2e/which_is_your_least_favorite_race/

[frozen pecan]

90% play elves who generally think they are superior to all other races lul

[vernal adder]

I play belf, I really wanna go zandalari so, Doesnt apply to me

[frozen pecan]

zandalari scum

[shrewd night]

Im eagerly awaiting the racials

[solid nova]

^

[vernal adder]

I started as ud as everyone did then went troll-belf-troll and now belf

[frozen pecan]

I only play humans or elves, none of the lowly horde races

[shrewd oriole]

Idd

If you play panda gnome or dwarf

Idk what to tell you

Don’t sit in the front of the bus with me that’s for sure

[shrewd night]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20762296146

Wew lad

[vernal adder]

I only played alliance on private servers during vanilla-early tbc before I started retail

[solid nova]

I read mage tower and overtuned in the same sentence

And refuse to click in

So i dont tilt off the face of the earth

[shrewd night]

Ill make it easier for you richard

[solid nova]

Pls, spare me

[shrewd night]

There you go

[solid nova]

Ty

[shrewd night]

Now you HAVE to click it

[solid nova]

Nah

I cant see it now

Its already forgotten

[vernal adder]

wow forums

[solid nova]

Did mine at 910 with no issues

[vernal adder]

[solid nova]

This late into the game you should be afking them

[shrewd night]

Why are you so elitist richard

😡

[solid nova]

Because

[vernal adder]

fucking tryhard

[solid nova]

It's not my fault basic game mechanics confuse people okay

[frozen pecan]

@shrewd oriole nowadays it's the back row tho, that's where the cool kids hang out now

[shrewd night]

Not EVERYONE has time to nolife this game and be a dps hero like you richard 😡

[solid nova]

If only the expansion was out longer

So i could farm more gear

[vernal adder]

oh wait

[solid nova]

and attempt it at 970+

[shrewd night]

I have still to do the sub one 😂

[solid nova]

Even though it was tuned for normal NH gear or something 😂

[shrewd night]

Tell you what

[vernal adder]

I've just done sin one, cba to do other ones

[keen inlet]

so

[shrewd night]

Next time its up Ill do it in my current gear

[shrewd oriole]

Some people are just so bad at the game

[keen inlet]

I have alpha now. If anybody has questions or wants me to try something out with rogue hmu. I've been mostly focusing on outlaw experience so far

[solid nova]

You got alpha?

[shrewd oriole]

You hand out 960 gear to them

[keen inlet]

but DM me so I'll remember later

[solid nova]

Lucky mofo

[shrewd oriole]

And they still can’t do the challenge

[solid nova]

Clicked the post

Clicked armoury

[keen inlet]

Regret

haha

[solid nova]

Non gemmed hear

No enchants

905 ilvl

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[solid nova]

Go away

[shrewd oriole]

GigaLUL

[vernal adder]

petaLUL

[solid nova]

No tier

Only progressing is 1 boss in LFR EN

Get out of my face

[shrewd oriole]

🌰

[keen inlet]

People expect to blast through them because we're in Argus now

not realizing that mechanics always trumped gear for them

[shrewd oriole]

Idd

[keen inlet]

I mean gear certainly trivializes some--but not all

[shrewd night]

Richard clicked

[keen inlet]

gottem

[shrewd night]

Mission accomplished

[solid nova]

Instantly triggered

[keen inlet]

u n l u c k y

[shrewd night]

U N R U C K Y

[keen inlet]

"You have chosen...poorly"

[shrewd oriole]

Idk nahc

[dense blaze]

Why do rank one 100% parses not appear on your main page on WCL for overall?

[shrewd oriole]

Man*

[vernal adder]

is that racism shiennar

[shrewd oriole]

How is he so low ilvl

[vernal adder]

[shrewd oriole]

My hunter is 943 in a week with 10 hours played

[solid nova]

"I'm not optimised at all and i'm struggling to complete something thats based around my gear" "Blizzard why do you make the game hard for casual players"

😒

[shrewd oriole]

Gearing is easy

[shrewd night]

@vernal adder https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=unrucky

[vernal adder]

[solid nova]

I managed 950 and 5 leggos 2 days game time with no help from friends

[hoary copper]

Gearing is easy when you have a group that can carry you
fixt

[solid nova]

Like

Just play the game

[shrewd oriole]

@hoary copper was p obvious it was a joke

[keen inlet]

It's never obvious with you, Tom

lol

[frozen pecan]

Idd

[hoary copper]

I mean you kinda are one, so its hard to tell

[shrewd oriole]

@solid nova when I came back to the game I was super behind on leggos (had 1) so I farmed 12 in 40 days before vendor

[keen inlet]

You don't dance on the line, you live on it

[shrewd oriole]

I AM THE LINE

[solid nova]

Yeah exactly

[shrewd night]

LOVE ISNT ALWAYS ON TIME

ohwait

[vernal adder]

SNORT THE LIIIIINE

[shrewd oriole]

@hoary copper you gotta admit tho, gearing is easy

We were doing normal yday and got into a group at 930 no problem

[solid nova]

I'll sit in dalaran all day doing nothing and then wonder why im not progressing at all

[hoary copper]

Up to a point, then you either get carried or you get stuck

[solid nova]

Better write a forum post and complain

[shrewd oriole]

Just a regular group, we didn’t even do it ourselves

[shrewd night]

@shrewd oriole Not if you have a life 😡

[vernal adder]

I just hit 110 I cant do mage tower, pls fix

[solid nova]

@shrewd oriole But I cant get a raid group because I dont have curve

Elitist pugs

Are stopping me

Gearing

[hoary copper]

Normal isnt that hard to get groups for pug

[shrewd night]

Richard

I will slap you across the street

[shrewd oriole]

@hoary copper I mean sure, that point being like 965 ilvl or something

[hoary copper]

only once in a while do you see an AOTC normal group 950+

[shrewd night]

If you reference mattb again

[solid nova]

Lol

I was hoping you'd pick up on it

[hoary copper]

I'm kinda stuck at 950 or so unless I start doing m+ or heroics

[shrewd oriole]

Can easily get into heroic groups at 945 as long as you have some achies

[hoary copper]

947 really

[solid nova]

Ive done LFR and M+ on my 950

Gonna throw it into HC tonight

Master looter me

Leggo

[shrewd oriole]

Master loot

🤔

[frozen pecan]

rip

[hoary copper]

yea well if you dont have the achieves getting the achieves becomes a paradox

[vernal adder]

what class?

[shrewd oriole]

@hoary copper just use fake achiement

Most group leaders are so lazy

[solid nova]

Or

[hoary copper]

I switched to heals to get heroic groups, makes it easier

[solid nova]

Get a friend to hop servers, make a toon with the same name

Link it to you

Link it to pug

gg

[shrewd night]

Tbh, Ive had people using my achievements

Or even guldan achievements

people arent even looking at this point

As long as they see CUTTING EDGE you in

[solid nova]

They see the green writing and just accept lol

[shrewd night]

Ima try with Cutting Edge Lei Shen or some shit later today

[vernal adder]

"Link best ach" I just link some random non raid shit

[drifting crypt]

as long as your ilvl is high enough, achievements dont matter

[hoary copper]

If they have link best achieve, I do KJ and most let me in

[cursive hatch]

pretty sure I've got into something with cutting edge queen shekzeer

[hoary copper]

Sometimes they want aotc and I link aotc kj and they dont really read and I get in

[shrewd night]

if they had said rarest achieve Id give them hero of shattrath

[cursive hatch]

I just link my server first algy for anything. I don't have rare achievements 😦

[solid nova]

"most people cant just no life the game to get every character to 910 + gear" IF ONLY THERE WAS A VENDOR FOR 910+ GEAR 🤔 🤔 🤔

[hoary copper]

I dont mind healing tho (in raids), and if I'm on my disc I can kill whiney hunters on Kin

Life Grip + Beam = lul

[cursive hatch]

someone level my monk for me. I'm far too done with this game to want to quest anymore

[frozen pecan]

buy boost support blizz

[shrewd night]

I hate blizzard for one thing

Got every class at 110

[shrewd oriole]

nerd

[shrewd night]

But NAH, LEVEL A NEW ONE FOR THIS ARMOR RIGHT HERE

[cursive hatch]

my monk is at 102

not buying a boost for that

[solid nova]

Invasions

[shrewd oriole]

monk

[frozen pecan]

use bot

[solid nova]

Are your friend

[vernal adder]

speak friend and enter

[cursive hatch]

oh, todays is one I can actually make

[solid nova]

@cursive hatch https://wow.gameinfo.io/invasions

Must be a level per invasion now

I think it used to be anyway?

Or close to

[cursive hatch]

yeah it is, I've used them to level before. Most of the time they are during the day while I'm working or during raid 😛

luckily no raid today, and its at a reasonable time anyways for me

[solid nova]

Yeah like i hate leveling, just found this easiest way to do it

Log in, get the level log out

[cursive hatch]

I am annoyed I only got to raid for an hour last night though

[shrewd oriole]

rip

was ur gm swe?

[cursive hatch]

nah, lives in canada somewhere

[shrewd oriole]

one of our swes had his internet cut out yday

oh you're american

ew

[cursive hatch]

his power went out and we didn't have a bench

yup

[solid nova]

No bench 😮

[shrewd oriole]

[cursive hatch]

we have 5 trials coming over this week

[shrewd oriole]

5 trials

[solid nova]

5?

Ouch

[shrewd oriole]

at the same time

[strange python]

top kek @shrewd oriole

[solid nova]

Thats a lot at once fam

[shrewd oriole]

what could go wrong

🤔

[cursive hatch]

I mean, we have 2 new tanks, a new healer, and a new dps right now

[solid nova]

Run while you can

[cursive hatch]

besides the dps, they haven't had any issues

got farther this week on argus than we did the previous 250 pulls

[solid nova]

Thats massive roster changes, what happened to lead to 2 tanks, healers and 5+ dps

[shrewd oriole]

ye lol

no wonder u're not sub 30 250 pulls in on argus

rip

[cursive hatch]

MT left, replaced him, got another tank who is now our 3rd tank on argus, our 3rd tank before went back to dpsing on his dk, got a resto shaman we didn't have, and recruited 5 ranged because fuck our ranged, perform or be replaced

[vapid moth]

Yawn

[solid nova]

Ouch

Roster issues blow

[strange python]

@cursive hatch Is someone analyzing guild logs?

[cursive hatch]

Yeah. Myself and the officers do that

[solid nova]

Well yeah and you've recruited for the bench

[cursive hatch]

we played musical chairs with the healing roster all tier and our healing officer got tired of it, so a lot of the issues were having a healer or two that aren't good enough but we didn't want to replace constantly

[solid nova]

Getting roster issues that close to the end of clear must have been a real kick too

[vernal adder]

get ready for summer, more people are gonna quit

[cursive hatch]

same issue with ranged, we kept having trials decide they didnt want to raid anymore after a week or two on prog

[solid nova]

Yeah end of content, expansion and summer break

Gotta prepare for people leaving

Its the norm

[cursive hatch]

and the ones that did stay aren't always performing. Luckily, our melee are solid

[vapid moth]

Raiding is tough in general

[cursive hatch]

which has me looking at melee and potentially ranged dps for what I'm playing in BFA. Want to fill any weak spot where I can flex skill

[solid nova]

Having a reliable set of tanks is top of my list personally

[vernal adder]

ye tanks are the bois that hold it together

[cursive hatch]

I like our new tanks, and our previous OT-now-MT is solid

[solid nova]

Fingers crossed then mate

[cursive hatch]

got to know him a lot better after him and I both played BDK for a month on Agg

[solid nova]

I'd get the 5 trials settled in (even though imo 5 at once is gonna be a fiesta) and continue to recruit as a safety net for people leaving in the future

Because of expansion end et

[cursive hatch]

which btw, would have been a lot easier if our MT had a bdk alt <.<

4 tanked, prot pally + 3 bdks. I wanted to just drop the prot pally because what the fuck are we doing really

[vapid moth]

You can always pug people lmao. Let them think they have a shot at loot then not give them any when they win. They leave and you just find new pugs

[cursive hatch]

most likely we'll rotate the 5 in throughout the week, replacing those that start eating cones for breakfast

[solid nova]

Pugs for guild mythic progression?

[cursive hatch]

if they are all solid, they'll stay in

[solid nova]

Yeah thats the thing

Rotating 5 new trials will be work in itself

[vapid moth]

It was a joke but yeah

Pugs for progression

[cursive hatch]

well we have a couple ranged that are obviously on our radar that are being sat in order to being trials in

and we're dropping a melee

[solid nova]

Tbh, just have the raiders who dont need certain bosses give you a nudge and swap them out

[cursive hatch]

'certain bosses'

sir, we're extending Argus until its dead

[vernal adder]

have fun

[solid nova]

How many reclears have you done?

Up to him

[cursive hatch]

2 kin, 2 vari, 1 coven, 1 agg, on argus

[solid nova]

How long have you been extending for?

With the roster issues you've had, im going to guess a reasonable while

[cursive hatch]

this is our 4th week extending, technically. we took last week off completely for spring break

[solid nova]

Any solid pulls yet?

[vapid moth]

Why was everyone’s spring break last week

[cursive hatch]

Yeah, we've seen p3 a few times. Working on cleaning up p2 so that we are pushing at the proper time

[solid nova]

The thing is as well, once you get that clear, and then sort your reclears out

As first reclear is gonna be messy af

You can rotate trials in so much more

So fingers crossed it'll all smooth out soon enough

[vernal adder]

I would just reclear the place but im no RL

[cursive hatch]

yeah, we don't want to waste days on re-clearing for gear we don't need/can't use

[solid nova]

Personally i would have recleared a bit more than just the 1 kill on the above

By the time you come back to them it'll be like progress again really

[drifting cloud]

wait are you still in that 4 day guild

that had like 700+ wipes on avatar

[cursive hatch]

same guild, but its only 3 days

[solid nova]

700+ post or pre nerf?

[cursive hatch]

to keep in midn the roster issues of the tier, there are 4 of us in the guidl that did avatar

[shrewd oriole]

700 wipes

[solid nova]

Post nerf there were guilds on 800+

[shrewd oriole]

I mean you're heading that way again tho

[drifting cloud]

they didnt even kill it if i remember correctly

[solid nova]

Pre nerf even*