assassination

[warm parcel]

No

[quick ice]

I can't imagine why you would have had 80

[echo estuary]

Because each button even those seemingly trivial had its use in arena/pvp

The game pace was fast, so you had to react fast

[quick ice]

oh, thought we were talking PVE still

[brisk forge]

80 was kinda heavy 🤔

The game wasnt that complicsted back then 😜

[frozen pecan]

the pvp game pace is much faster nowadays lol

there wasn't a thing like one shot macros

in wotlk or bc

[viscid helm]

The game was never complicated

I can create 80 binds rn if i want

🤷

[echo estuary]

No its not, im not talking about current wpvp because it cant be considered pvp with such imbalance

[restive inlet]

World pvp 😃

[frozen pecan]

Im talking about Arena and the game was certainly much slower back in the day, which made it more strategic

and better

[echo estuary]

Bc arena was slow, wotlk was fast all the way.

[frozen pecan]

not rly, was the same pace

[echo estuary]

In legion nothing is happening until the healer is cced for a considerable time, in wotlk it was dynamic always

[shrewd night]

Nothing is going to trigger me more than mace specced fury warrior with double stunherald, so please dont even start about bc arena

[brisk forge]

Create and actually use them is 2 diff things lol

[lethal heart]

wotlk arena

[frozen pecan]

HARP rogues were more triggering when your on the receiving end I guess ^^

[lethal heart]

dk + warrior with legendaries

and hpally afking

LUL

legendaries in arenas were so broken

good thing they got rid of it xd

[frozen pecan]

BC arena was the shit

[shrewd night]

Tho Im not one to talk, I went SL/SL lock and ENJOYED it

[echo estuary]

Yeah but you could easily overcome it because skill was the pivotal point by far

[frozen pecan]

bc and wotlk were certainly the most fun pvp time after that it went to shit

[echo estuary]

Sl/sl and resto dru lol pure cancer

[frozen pecan]

nowadays it's aweful, don't understand how people still play that shitty pvp

[echo estuary]

Also 2s matches lasting for hours

[shrewd night]

I think we were SL/SL and frost mage in twos

Worked out pretty good tbh 😂

[frozen pecan]

Double rogue was viable aswell

[echo estuary]

I dont remember it being good, lock mage that is

[shrewd night]

It wasnt

[echo estuary]

Sl/sl shadow priest was good

And resto druid lock

[frozen pecan]

restro warrior was aids

[echo estuary]

Yeah hpal warr too

[frozen pecan]

good old times ^^

[echo estuary]

I mained mage back then

If the lock i duelled was roughly the same skill as me he could duel me naked and win

The stuff you had to do to win...argh

[shrewd night]

Fear not being broken by damage was the sweetest thing ever

[frozen pecan]

As rogue you destroyed cloth classes

[chrome stag]

hey guys, I play assass/sub for raiding and m+, I never played pvp before but want to start some arena's and bgs as well as world pvp as realm is pretty crowded 😃 what do you reckon what spec should I go? I have all legendaries for sub/assass and missing few for outlaw. I will play bg's mostly and world pvp, casual, when I have time

[frozen pecan]

easy

[shrewd night]

#pvp <---- this way

[echo estuary]

Warriors w stun mace were hard but you could deadzone kite them

[frozen pecan]

as rogue?

[echo estuary]

Yeah

[frozen pecan]

ye but it was hard

[echo estuary]

Idd

[frozen pecan]

harp was the most stupid build ever tho lol

[chrome stag]

yea I actually wanted to post it in #pvp but somehow I was still in this room oO

[frozen pecan]

with mace stun as rogue

like 10 sec cc chain lol

[echo estuary]

They nerfed harp in s2 though if my memory serves me right

[frozen pecan]

yep they did

removed ar from prep

[echo estuary]

I mean it was over 10 years ago after all

[frozen pecan]

I remember that pretty well because I just bought the s2 maces a few weeks before and I was pissed ^^

[shrewd night]

Any combination that included spriest and fury warrior was just a question of how soon you could bend over

RNG stuns with no cd

mmmm

[frozen pecan]

didn't they remove mace stun from both warrior and rogue?

[shrewd night]

Somewhere between SSC and BT prog I think they did yeah

[echo estuary]

I dont recall but by that time glaives were relevant so xd

[frozen pecan]

glaives in arena 😵

especially the guys who had 4 set s4 and 4 set t6 with glaives lol rip

[sharp viper]

pure skill outgearing opponents completly!

[frozen pecan]

ye but they just put more effort in the game I guess

I never bothered to do both pvp and pve, far to time consuming

[sharp viper]

well you also had to spend some gold to respec, sometimes dual spec just wasn't enough

[solid nova]

The cost of respeccing

[frozen pecan]

when was dual spec even introduced? in Wotlk right?

[solid nova]

Yeah it cost 1k as well

Then they reduced it to 10g 😂

[frozen pecan]

you also had to see your trainer lul

[solid nova]

And every respec cost you more and more gold

Gotta get my unarmed skill to 400

Suppose transmog takes the money spec costs used to

[frozen pecan]

haha

[shrewd night]

Few things has triggered me so hard than when we went through Anubarak Trial of the sader progress

And I was blamed for being a papertank

Only to learn that the shitpriest on duty to heal me was using rank 1 spells

[frozen pecan]

lmao

[solid nova]

Hahahaha

[quick ice]

I missed out on grand crusader because we had 5 rogues 😦

[echo estuary]

r1 spells...

small things like that separated players in skill, and there were plenty of such details to add up

r1 frostbolt to apply a quick slow/dispel protection debuff

r1 fireball to quickly apply a dot on the rogue to prevent vanish restealth

lower rank heal to conserve mana whenever possible (mana was a thing)

[tacit bay]

yes very skill to spam r1 frostbolt till freeze

[echo estuary]

its easy to be obtuse and not see the whole picture

don't need to flaunt with it

[shrewd night]

warlock was so easy. As long as you had max rank shadowbolt on your bars, and presacced your succubus you were good to go forever

[echo estuary]

succubus in arena? heh

the level of micro gameplay and multitasking required by a affli lock in wotlk was huge

[shrewd night]

Think I went destruction in arena for wotlk

Because fuck that micromanagement

[quick ice]

did I get assassination and affliciton confused and am in the wrong discord again>

[shrewd night]

This is our discord now

[quick ice]

neat

I'll go stage a hostile takeover of aff discord

with all the other assassination rogues here...

🤔

[zealous dew]

did you succeed ?

[marble hemlock]

we just want you to lure more warlocks here before we jump out of the shadows and mangle you and your warlock friends

[zealous dew]

dem locks

[quick ice]

@zealous dew couldn't find enough sin rogues in here

all afflocks now

[zealous dew]

sad life 😦

[quick ice]

plus one very confused frostmage

[zealous dew]

he got lost in the void

[marble hemlock]

boy this is going to be fun, cant wait to enjoy this great gameplay mechanic of rolling relics 😮

http://puu.sh/zN36T/bc856c36c2.jpg

[quick ice]

uh what

oh, MDI realm?

[marble hemlock]

yup

rolling for that sweet PK+MoS+MAlch combo

[quick fern]

What.the.actual.fuck @_@

[brisk forge]

What is MDI? 🙈

[quick ice]

mythic dungeon invitational

[brisk forge]

Ohhhh

So stupied of me 😁

[marble hemlock]

all those sub rogues already took their lives or rerolled

[quick ice]

I just like the colour

[drifting cloud]

theres no raid loot or what?

[marble hemlock]

no glaives/contract/shivermaws/beacon

[quick ice]

no NH/tomb/EN/ToV, or seat/VH loots I believe?

[marble hemlock]

its actually a pain in the ass to sim your character on the TR, since the gear is all base ilvl of like 880-930, and you just get scaled up in the dungeons, making it impossible to sim quickly

its a bit weird actually, for example non-set leather gear is almost exclusively from nighthold/tomb

[quick ice]

I know seri was looking into an option for it on raidbots?

[marble hemlock]

e.g. you cant even get coven gloves or kingaroth/argus ring

[drifting cloud]

can you get dungeon rings?

[marble hemlock]

nah, its nighthold/tomb only

[drifting cloud]

hmm weird

[marble hemlock]

so no low vers high mastery ring whatsoever

only vers/mast ring that you can even get is maiden

which is high vers low mast :<

[quick ice]

ok that's just weird

[marble hemlock]

and no high mast/low crit ring either, since the only crit/mast rings available in those two tiers is the alluriel one

[drifting cloud]

do you think theyll just add it

because no glaives is kinda huge

[marble hemlock]

dont think this was some arbitrary decision

it seems like they specifically took tiers/dungeon loot and made it available

while leaving other tiers/dungeons out

[lone junco]

So no 4p21? Rip

[drifting cloud]

so the only antorus loot there is is tier or

not even that?

[marble hemlock]

tier and trinkets

[lone junco]

2p2p sub would be pretty important.

[marble hemlock]

yeah

you can have t20 at 970

which is nice

[lone junco]

At least you would get a fat dogs.

[marble hemlock]

but again, no trinkets that are worth anything to sub

so sub is pretty much dead

[quick ice]

so I'm 90% certain you wouldn't use it, but do pantheon trinkets get 970d?

[drifting cloud]

2 stat sticks ayy

[marble hemlock]

yup, pantheon and legendaries get 970d

there is no stat-sticks actually

you start with two of them when you create teh character, both of them have haste as a rogue

which is just a nice troll i guess

[drifting cloud]

🤷

[lone junco]

Hunger trinket might be nice.

[marble hemlock]

and then you kinda get statsticks by using nightbane urn+hunger of the pack

[lone junco]

No seat means rip crit rings.

[marble hemlock]

i actually feel empowered in playing assa

[lone junco]

Barbed neck would be on the list.

[marble hemlock]

because while not having access to vers+mast gear on every slot, it doesnt matter all that much

[lone junco]

No glaives is good for you.

[drifting cloud]

guess we wont see many rogues

[marble hemlock]

im perfectly fine with having a 970 urn and 970 terrorbound nexus

[drifting cloud]

but how do you do that maw as assa do you just reset if you dont proc a pb

😄

[lone junco]

Yeah. All the m+ trash sims I've done are like 140/80/80/20

[marble hemlock]

pretty much, yeah

run it 30times

one of those runs is bound to have good pb procs, right?

https://puu.sh/zN3t6/54574183b0.jpg

this isnt all that bad

all things considered

[drifting cloud]

maybe that makes assa the best spec 🤔

unlimited tries

[fathom elm]

Starting to like bleed spec alot 😃 @lone junco

[lone junco]

I ran exang on upper. I love it so much.

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, id love to sim i.e. a high vers/low mast ring vs a low haste, high mastery one

[lone junco]

Vend exang. Every pull.

[marble hemlock]

but simming is a pain in the ass right now

[lone junco]

I saw

[drifting cloud]

id assume the verst one still wins but barely

maybe it becomes closer on sustained aoe I dunno

[marble hemlock]

on burst aoe the haste/mast is stronger though, since mastery eclipses any other stat when it comes to short fights

or rather, it might be stronger

again, id love to run a few sims with a custom apl

but alas

[lone junco]

Like what?

[marble hemlock]

like.... envenom > fok > rupture > fok fok fok fok fok fok f ok

[lone junco]

A custom for me would be. FOK env FOK rupture. Repeat.

[marble hemlock]

in a 15-20sec fight

sim the statweights for such a setting

[lone junco]

Oh. You don't bother with the extra envs.

[marble hemlock]

not really worth

depends on packsize

[lone junco]

3malch 3pk

?

[marble hemlock]

3malch 3pk 3mos

[dire spoke]

3 coffees pls

[lone junco]

Yeah. Apl won't overcap like that.

[midnight latch]

@dire spoke ☕

[shrewd night]

@dire spoke no coffee 4 u

[lone junco]

If i could get to like 41/200. I'd love to run bracer belt.

W/e

[astral sundial]

I found crit food helps :X

close to 40% now

[dire spoke]

ayyy I'm a hypesquad member now

[lone junco]

I'm 50/130 as Insig boot for raid. But I'd like 40/200

[zealous dew]

😮

i'd like 50/250 😃

[lone junco]

Did you see his 31/239

[quick ice]

100/1000 please

[zealous dew]

yeah but that's 3 mos

[lone junco]

For tourney set

We +3 the upper last night.

[zealous dew]

good!

[lone junco]

Have my first 20 to work on.

[zealous dew]

which is

[lone junco]

Court.

[zealous dew]

easy one!

[lone junco]

I'll prob try to do a 16 first.

[zealous dew]

try the harbor pull

on a low key

it's a lot of %

[lone junco]

K. Our tank is going the pull research. I'll let him know.

[zealous dew]

then after first boss, you stealth trigger door

and they go back

or let the healer do that

[lone junco]

We run. Ret. rog. Arcane. So trash packs are good. Single is good.

[astral sundial]

@lone junco did you ever had a chance to try alacrity in m+? mantle/bracers

[lone junco]

Alac is garbage in m+

[zealous dew]

alacrity has no value in m+

[lone junco]

Purely single.

I run exang on upper. Because the pulls are single or boss.

[astral sundial]

hmm isn't it more aoe then TB?

20% can't meant nothing for aoe

*mean

[lone junco]

Haste has no aoe value.

[zealous dew]

prob has negative value 😃

[astral sundial]

can't say I understand why ^^

in my head -> more resources=more dmg

[zealous dew]

you're energy capped in m+

[lone junco]

Haste ONLY. Buffs the DP hits from your auto attacks during env uptime.

Tb is for the priority ads along the way.

And tb is synergy with shoulders for your boss dmg.

Don't get me wrong. I have run ep Alac in a m+

It was a zero for trash. And bad for bosses.

[astral sundial]

ye I was thinking only in AoE terms not single target - so was even thinking to run it with MP. but seems like that's a totaly wrong concept 😄

I am not energy capped in the few mythics I have done but they are fairly low keys so adds might not live long enough

[zealous dew]

you need to ull more mobs

and have 100% env uptime

[lone junco]

4p 21. Mut env mut env FOK rupture FOK env FOK rupture.

Shoulder bracer.

[astral sundial]

for aoe? at 4-5 mobs I was always just spamming FoK will keeping envenom up and rupture on 1 target (or not at all if there are more mobs)

why cast envenoms? to proc PBs?

[lone junco]

Depends on how long stuff lasts. But the env makes your FOK hit with DP.

And first 2 are for bombs.

[astral sundial]

so why muti over FoK?

[lone junco]

In smaller pulls 4cp guarantee and no flight time.

2env in that first shoulder. Makes for good bombs.

[astral sundial]

what, you actually miss a cast due to flight time? oO

[warm parcel]

theres no such thing

and no env doesnt make fok apply poisons

fok applies poisons just like your autos

at the given chance

[astral sundial]

he's talking about PK I guess? but ye that's keeping the buff up

[lone junco]

At the given chance.

So 50 or 80

[astral sundial]

but why cast it more then needed to keep buffs?

is it actually more damage?

[zealous dew]

because it's a guaranteed crit in mantle

[astral sundial]

ye I ment after mantle..

[zealous dew]

and rupture does more dmg only if full duration

if mob dies with 16s of rupture is pointless

being 16s arbit number

[lone junco]

Wut. After shoulder we are weaving enough ruptures based on life span.

[shrewd night]

I was under the impression you put up ruptures for the energy, not the damage

🤷

[astral sundial]

^

[warm parcel]

rupture crushes envenom in damage

[lone junco]

4p21 feeds a ton.

[astral sundial]

@warm parcel this was not the case in my m+ :X

[zealous dew]

you need 1-2 bleeds out

[warm parcel]

no

[zealous dew]

then you goodd

[shrewd night]

^

[warm parcel]

so listen

[lone junco]

I run ep. So yeah I rupture a lot. But after that gotta env.

[warm parcel]

rupture dpe is way higher than envenom

[astral sundial]

well ofc

[warm parcel]

and youll always rup every add that lives

[astral sundial]

but you don't cast it as much

[shrewd night]

wat

[zealous dew]

lolz

[warm parcel]

but your env has prio over rup due to tier uptime

[lone junco]

Please don't rupture during shoulder.

[zealous dew]

please don't rupture in m+

unless 1-2 mobs

[astral sundial]

thanks

[shrewd night]

DPE has nothing to do with how often you push each button, DPE is static (for the most part)

[zealous dew]

stuff dies in 10/12s

[midnight latch]

[shrewd night]

Who the fuck is this red naya

[astral sundial]

@shrewd night I was talking about dmg per fight as opposed to dmg per cast

[zealous dew]

a traitor

[midnight latch]

well in that case please dont sin in m+

[solar willow]

Or reroll to aub

[midnight latch]

cuase shit dies in 10sec

[lone junco]

Lol: env FOK rupture FOK FOK FOK FOK FOK.

[midnight latch]

go sub or go home

[solar willow]

Sub🤔

[shrewd night]

@astral sundial thats irrelevant when we are talking about DPE and what you should use where.

[astral sundial]

is not

[shrewd night]

Not to mention its hella anecdotal

[astral sundial]

cuz stuff dies faster then this

[lone junco]

Unbuffed Rupture ticks are probably like 300k-600k.

At least they bomb.

Cause we are talking 7 ticks in 15 sec.

[shrewd night]

I mean, if shit dies in ten seconds there are two realistic choices. Dont play sin, or do a higher key. At least from what the information youve given us.

[quick ice]

3 choices

sit there and look pretty is always an option

[gilded lark]

4 choices

play a different game

[lone junco]

I go along for cause I make the groups.

[quick ice]

"don't play sin"? 😃

[gilded lark]

I don't mean a different alt lol

[lone junco]

I keed. I like the prio and boss damage.

[astral sundial]

well, was I was more trying to figure out is the breakpoints it which it's worth to cast rupture. at less then 4 adds? if they live more then 10 seconds? etc

[warm parcel]

there is no limit

if rup lasts it will always outdamage envenom

its that simple

[astral sundial]

not realy

becuz

if there are 20 adds

I will only envenom for buff

then spam FoK rgiht?

so rupture will do nothing, only wast gcd or energy

[viscid helm]

[warm parcel]

what

[shrewd night]

How is rupture doing nothing

omegalul

[astral sundial]

if there are enough adds, FoK does more dmg then rupture

[lone junco]

nah.

[viscid helm]

:upside_down:

[lone junco]

you dont have 3pk or a billion mastery.

[shrewd night]

Comparing a builder to a spender

[quick ice]

wait, are you suggesting casting fok even at capped CP? 😐

[warm parcel]

well given you do big pulls sure

[astral sundial]

yep

[lone junco]

@quick ice Seliathan did, but thats a different scale

[warm parcel]

not like thats your day to day m+

[quick ice]

I missed the start of this so I hadn;t seen that

[gusty dirge]

930 shadowsinged fang or 940 angerboda? they sim like dead even pretty much

[astral sundial]

not trying to say it is, but trying to understand at what point it becomes that way

[warm parcel]

noone prolly knows

[quick ice]

@gusty dirge if your guildies die a lot use angerboda

[lone junco]

simple answer is to weave env / ruptures until all things that live more than (10s) have a rupture.

@quick ice he is niche at 3malch/3pk and 240 mastery.

so the trash fok is real.

[zealous dew]

wtb 960 mastery stick

[shrewd night]

Too many variables to even start doing educated guestimations. Priority targets? HP numbers? Amount of adds?
Weak pretty much summed it up though, if rupture lasts -> Use rupture as spender on all applicable targets

[quick ice]

oh yeah, at that situation you 100% would be fokking hard

[shrewd night]

Oh wat

3pkmalch

reeeeeee

[shrewd oriole]

Ah

[warm parcel]

I mean if you have 25 adds

fok dpe is greater than rup

[quick ice]

tournament realm set @shrewd night

[warm parcel]

ye sure rup is a waste then

but again I dont think that happens in m+

[shrewd oriole]

My daily dose of assa 🥄 discussion

Just what I needed

[quick ice]

nothing like a 🥄 full of sin

[lone junco]

that condition is rare for sure.

for me at least.

[shrewd oriole]

wave

[shrewd night]

@warm parcel I mean, youd still want those two/three ruptures for energy regen regardless Id say

[warm parcel]

no

[shrewd oriole]

waves paw

rawrs

[warm parcel]

you can do 0 bleed full energy with like sub 10 mobs

so rup is literally pointless at that point

[solid nova]

@shrewd oriole Have you ever tried Tahini?

[quick ice]

other than the wave its not that weird

[shrewd night]

Didnt think you could have sets on TR

[astral sundial]

@warm parcel sure if we say high enough numbers it's easy to see FoK is better - but maybe it is also stringer at 10 mobs? 8? 6?

[lone junco]

19/20/21

[warm parcel]

and the simplest answer for this is math

[shrewd oriole]

@solid nova yeah it’s great

[warm parcel]

aka sim

you just need to

1. have full energy without bleeds
2. and enough targets for fok dpe to exceed rup

[solid nova]

@shrewd oriole Really? Legit looking for a cleaner calorie intake and was recommended it

[warm parcel]

could be less than 10

dno

[lone junco]

the 15s apl would have 2 spenders for bombs, then fok

[solid nova]

Thought you'd have given it a go

[shrewd oriole]

@solid nova yeah I like it. Mostly as hummus

Oatmeal is great too

[lone junco]

but none of that is my condition. we dont pull 10 mobs that matter.

[solid nova]

I think i've battled beyond the high metabolism so actually having to be considerate of diet now

Feelsgoodman

I thought you'd have the info i needed

[shrewd night]

Used to have high metabolism

now it gone

[warm parcel]

nap math would say foks dpe is around 420 per target for me

and rup is 4.8mil

so thats more than 10

[shrewd oriole]

420

Fokit

I should do a sim to check on how many targets is just foking a gain

Then do it with pk relics

[warm parcel]

and at that 10+ energy should be a nonissue

so id prolly fok only at 15+

[shrewd oriole]

It’s a gain for me on two targets even with two B.B. relics because of my mastery

At 15+ targets you’re overlapping energy with your set bonus anyway

[shrewd night]

Dumpster your mastery and get more crit 😠

[drifting cloud]

delete mastery gear 😡

[shrewd oriole]

And do as much damage as your losers? No ty

[lone junco]

@warm parcel that 420 is less than the 3pk hit right?

[shrewd oriole]

I wanna have the highest mastery of any rogue in this discord

😠

[warm parcel]

that 420 includes fok pk and dp

[astral sundial]

sounds so low : /

[warm parcel]

per target

[lone junco]

tom

[warm parcel]

well my mas is 130 or 140

[shrewd oriole]

4 pk or 7 weak?

Oooh that mastery is so low

[warm parcel]

4

[astral sundial]

wtih mantle/bracers? oO

[shrewd night]

140 mastery

[warm parcel]

I dont use pk

[shrewd night]

waaaat

[warm parcel]

no

[shrewd oriole]

@lone junco the heck is that

[warm parcel]

Im 47 crit 130 140 mas

[viscid helm]

I have like 130%

[shrewd oriole]

That looks like someone wearing no tier

[lone junco]

a M+ tourney set

[shrewd oriole]

Ah

[astral sundial]

but we aretalking mantle/bracer setup for m+

[shrewd oriole]

Stat sticks

Doesn’t count 😠

[lone junco]

4p21 with Urn and terrorbound

fat pk

[astral sundial]

obviously if you run some boots setup with 3MA FoK becomes much worse

[warm parcel]

well if you want accurate break point you sim it for every char

[shrewd oriole]

Idd

[warm parcel]

its very dependant on many multipliers

[shrewd night]

With 47% crit, how far are you off capping crit for mut?

[shrewd oriole]

Depends on how many BBs

[quick ice]

depends on how many BB

[warm parcel]

its only 80% mut crit

for me

[shrewd oriole]

“Only”

I have 55 LUL

[warm parcel]

My longest streak is 6 4 cp mutis into env

feelsgoodman

[quick ice]

must be nice

[viscid helm]

85% with fang up

[astral sundial]

well thanks everyone for all the info, gtg

[shrewd night]

Then starts the math of is it worth dropping malch or mass for capping mut crit

[quick ice]

52% here, and I have 6/6BB

[shrewd oriole]

hopefully I can drop my B.B. relics today

[sharp nova]

question, is it true on mythic argus that cone targets only ranged, never melee?

[warm parcel]

no

thats a daily questionj

[shrewd night]

Targets anyone aside from tanks, no?

[warm parcel]

and a daily lie

it does

target melee

just like module spawn

[sharp nova]

rip dreams

[quick ice]

not rage melee though

?

[sharp nova]

yeah

[warm parcel]

rage makes you ignored

[sharp nova]

doesnt target rage for sure

[warm parcel]

for both cone and module

[sharp plover]

So if I scream at my monitor

I don't get cone

Ok

[sharp nova]

legit

[shrewd night]

Fuck method, this guys shared the key strat for argus

[lone junco]

rare shoulder day.

still dont like it though

[shrewd oriole]

Poggers

Wtf rank 1 for coven is 3M

[dire spoke]

lol I know these rogues

2 and 3 are from innervision

[shrewd oriole]

Poggers

[dire spoke]

Rotatio was in my guild once

[shrewd oriole]

Is he in a good guild now?

[shrewd night]

😂

Is that from last night tomm?

[dire spoke]

yes

[solid nova]

But then you asserted your clicking dominance and he left

[shrewd oriole]

@shrewd night yass

Hunter is 935 BM hunter now btw

Sims 1M

[dire spoke]

I teached him how to rogue

[shrewd night]

Shoulda told that ret to chill so you could hog more execute damage

[shrewd oriole]

Should’ve told some people to die

[shrewd night]

Like zempai

not toxic btw 😂

[shrewd oriole]

@dire spoke ah, the student became the master.

[dire spoke]

[vapid moth]

I had a dude telle his 945 rogue pulled 1.5mill on imonar. With bad leggos

Heroic imonar

[shrewd oriole]

That’s possible

[shrewd night]

wat

[shrewd oriole]

1.5 isn’t that much

Could’ve just gotten lucky

[echo estuary]

korean rank 1, what a shocker 😄

[solid nova]

What % was PB damage

Then the mystery is solved

[echo estuary]

gotta step up your game tom

[lone junco]

ok, 1.5 is a bit high at 945

[dire spoke]

@shrewd oriole Ellaire is RL btw lol

[shrewd oriole]

@dire spoke who’s that

[lone junco]

but ive gotten a few good pulls on that boss when everyone died but me

[dire spoke]

the #3 you linked

[shrewd oriole]

Oh

Cool

[dire spoke]

could never RL as melee man

[dire spoke]

how many addons do you need to see shit

[shrewd night]

melee is snorefest compared to ranged though

[shrewd oriole]

Gotta be honest

I enjoy ranged a lot more in dungeons

[vapid moth]

Nah not possible. Unless he was a top 10 rogue on imonar at 945

[shrewd oriole]

And melee more in raids

[lone junco]

@shrewd oriole yeah same

but our raid is melee heavy

our alt run was 9melee 2 range.

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[lone junco]

only time it sucked was Chain lighning coven. and argus orbs.

[shrewd oriole]

You need TOBMhunter

ToBM

[lone junco]

i get it

[shrewd oriole]

Nah I just only realized it now

I need to rename the char 😠

I got a 960 argus ring and I don’t even use it feels bad man

Hopefully next leggo is chest or prydaz

[viscid helm]

Nobody cares

[shrewd oriole]

@viscid helm fight me

[viscid helm]

[echo estuary]

how is flowifour coming along

[viscid helm]

Its not

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

Flowitwo got argus yday

[viscid helm]

Flowitwo gonna be titanslayer next reset

[shrewd oriole]

[viscid helm]

895 btw

[shrewd oriole]

Our alt run is only 10/11

[drifting cloud]

all he needs is mos neck

[echo estuary]

where is tommtwo

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t do splits

I’ve got better things to do these days than do splits

Disgusting way to play the game tbh I hated it

[viscid helm]

Ye like progress content for 5months

[shrewd oriole]

Y’all do more runs of Antorus in the first 3 weeks than I do in 5 months tho

[viscid helm]

[dire spoke]

giev mount pls

[shrewd oriole]

2 runs per char, 4 char

[viscid helm]

What

No

U clown

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t y’all do normal and herói?

Heroic*

[viscid helm]

On the 1st week when mythic isnt out

Ye

[shrewd oriole]

and on second week just heroic

[viscid helm]

Week 1 mythic only hc splits

Week 2 everything dead

No splits

[shrewd oriole]

So you do 12 Antorus runs

By the time I’ve done 3

🤔

That’s why you already hated the game back in December

And I’m only starting to hate it now

[viscid helm]

Its fine, summer break soon

No raid for months

[shrewd oriole]

There’s summer in Finland?

I thought y’all just had one long winter

[quick ice]

allegedly

[shrewd oriole]

You send pics of the snow and I’ll send pics of the sub

Sun*

[viscid helm]

Rain

U mean

Theres no sun in UK

[quick ice]

fact

move to aus where we have real sun

[shrewd oriole]

I don’t stay in uk for summer

Lul

Going to Brazil next week

[viscid helm]

[shrewd oriole]

But I spend summers in Portugal or traveling

[echo estuary]

the only downside with australia is the crap connection

[quick ice]

I live in a brand new development so FttP for me 😃

but yeah, otherwise ew

[echo estuary]

also bad ping :p

[quick ice]

OCE servers actually in australia now which is nice

[shrewd oriole]

God why do I go to the sub channel

Some 960 guy wearing a 910 cof

I wonder how some people tie their shoes in the morning

[quick ice]

I leave mine tied. its probably bad for them though

or maybe he has velcro?

[shrewd oriole]

Probably Velcro

[astral sundial]

CoF gives me 9 second reduction to shoe tying

[shrewd oriole]

Maybe his mom tied it for him 4 years ago and he just never untied then

[echo estuary]

In his defence, you can be a genius and have trouble tying your shoes or buttoning your shirt

[shrewd night]

Just one more day for easter vacation!

[quick ice]

don't get me started on shirt uttons

my nemesis

[echo estuary]

Which was the case for Mikhail Tal, the soviet chess grandmaster

[shrewd oriole]

Hmm

[quick ice]

only thing worse are pants with those goddamn button flies

[shrewd night]

Button flies are the best whatchu on about

[astral sundial]

and world champion

[slim estuary]

Is 93 parse on my first imonar kill acceptable 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

Is it ilvl

[hollow matrix]

@echo estuary I think you can know more than anyone else about certain subjects, but if you can't tie shoes or button a shirt (and are otherwise healthy), not sure if I could call them a genius right

[slim estuary]

The fuck is an ilvl parse 😂

[shrewd oriole]

That’s my boy

[viscid helm]

Its the ♿ parse

[keen inlet]

It can be a useful tool, but should be taken with a heap of salt

same for overall parse.

[shrewd oriole]

It’s parse

It’s like saying you’re a mechanics player

[viscid helm]

But i'am

[drifting cloud]

tom

we had a bm hunter that said that on his app

I was like are you serious

[hollow matrix]

coming from sub, sin parses are just a roll of the dice

[shrewd oriole]

Not really

[slim estuary]

Pretty angry at my team for not getting me that 95. “Hero p3”, p3 begins and I have my holy mother of god CD combo ready. They interrupt and get imonar into position, I let loose and rip my beyblade. Fucking kB wears off HERO.... nah mate you gotta be jokin me.

[viscid helm]

Just like sub ones then

[shrewd oriole]

You only need average to get 99 on a lot of bosses

[viscid helm]

🤷

[keen inlet]

That's not accurate, Tom.

[shrewd oriole]

?

[hollow matrix]

rekt

[shrewd oriole]

I have 99 on nearly every boss

On M

[keen inlet]

You are not "average"

[shrewd oriole]

Most with 7-9% pb

[viscid helm]

He is worse

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

I mean sure my gear is p good

But it’s not crazy

[slim estuary]

Then you should look at ilvl parse not total parse

Come on Tom, be real

[hollow matrix]

ok i'll rephrase - for us mortal plebs to parse well, we need god tier roll of the dice

[keen inlet]

Don't bother, pvploy

[shrewd oriole]

Sure but that’s cuz you’re parsing against people who baseline do 150k more dps

Of course you’re gonna need good rng to overcome that kind of disadvantage

It’s like a 100M spring but you’re starting 50M behind

Sprint*

But it’s the same for every other spec idk

[desert karma]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/398176950322987011/426001044971978752/Screenshot_25.png

[lost horizon]

In PB we trust

[spare cloud]

the repost though

[shrewd night]

^

[lost horizon]

Aw rip there goes my respect

I thought that was some quality OC

[spare cloud]

All the people that don't read pins are found out by this post

probably a good idea 🤔

[lost horizon]

Aw shit

Am I a baddie now?

[keen inlet]

it's pretty simple tbh

[shrewd oriole]

@lost horizon implying you weren’t already

❤

[lost horizon]

Oof

[keen inlet]

everybody who parses better than flowi is a no-life neckbeard
everybody who parses worse is bad

[shrewd oriole]

Deadpool 2 trailer out

Poggers

[lost horizon]

What if I can match his identical numbers?

[keen inlet]

Flowi alt account confirmed

[lost horizon]

Not that I can LOL

Nice

I'll take it

[keen inlet]

it adds up

[shrewd oriole]

It’s not hard

[keen inlet]

both have didney avatars

[shrewd oriole]

Flowi plays so little that his gear is shit

LUL

[spare cloud]

Can't have better logs than flowy because he probably has 100% everywhere

[lost horizon]

Perfect 👌

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud healing logs

[spare cloud]

But like

He killed argus world 3 and no other guild above him public logs

[shrewd oriole]

There’s 3 Asians students in my bus and they all have yeezys

[spare cloud]

so if he was above weak on argus kill

he should have a 100% log there

[shrewd oriole]

🤔

[spare cloud]

for example

[desert karma]

Hey @shrewd oriole I used the shoulders/boots combo last night

[shrewd oriole]

Imagine public logging on day 1

Everyone else private logs

You get full rank 1’s

[spare cloud]

Yeh

[shrewd oriole]

@desert karma I’m proud of you

[desert karma]

Must say, not used to Vendetta coming off cd that quickly 😢

[dire spoke]

I used bracers on aggra progress, never hit <30% and still had r1 average dps

[shrewd night]

I know that feel zempai

[spare cloud]

You're just so good

zempai

[keen inlet]

Was kinda like that going into raids as Outlaw tbh

[dire spoke]

rubs his nips

[keen inlet]

compared to a very smol pool

[shrewd night]

[shrewd oriole]

I thought you of all people would be used to stuff coming quick

Nice guild zempai

[dire spoke]

[dark crag]

nightborne have increased pb proc chance, or how else can my assa mate proc pb every opener and multiple times at trash

[shrewd oriole]

Tbh i was too 3 on argus progress before we hit execute, I think it’s mostly due to us not losing much dps with sub par movement

[keen inlet]

RNG
is
RNG

[lost horizon]

Just bribe blizz devs

[shrewd oriole]

Everything is rngs fault

[lost horizon]

I forgot to hold vanish for execute, fuckin rng

[spare cloud]

Yes you are very Creative.

[desert karma]

On normal last night, I got pb procs just as antoran high command spawn their adds 😛 best feeling ever

[spare cloud]

Probably Art Major

[dark crag]

lol

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

I casted rupture during TB

Fcking rng spec

I am going back to sub

Or a skill testing spec like BM

[viscid helm]

[lost horizon]

Tbh I wish I could still play sub

[shrewd oriole]

I was pressing everything on cd and doing sim dps

🤔

[dark crag]

thats the way of the mo...assa rogue

[viscid helm]

BM is nice

[desert karma]

Is beastmaster hunter easy? I see a lot of them

[viscid helm]

Prydaz and sephuz sim highest for me

[dire spoke]

https://imgflip.com/i/26wnph

[keen inlet]

one of the easiest in the game

perhaps easiest

debatable obv

and ranged so

[dire spoke]

https://imgflip.com/i/26wnt1

[lost horizon]

Tbh I think sin is the easiest spec I've played

[dark crag]

the hard thing about bm is telling the pet to listen

[dire spoke]

there you go

[shrewd oriole]

It’s the easiest I’ve played for sure

[viscid helm]

Man i died on everyboss last reset playing my BM

[shrewd oriole]

BM that is

[desert karma]

the gm always makes them do the mechanics because they can move around freely 😛

[viscid helm]

Shits not easy

[lost horizon]

Wait no I had to go ret on my pally a couple times nvm

[drifting cloud]

you just need cheat death

[shrewd oriole]

@dire spoke did you make those

They’re beautiful

[dire spoke]

yeah just now

[shrewd oriole]

Imma bookmark the 1st

[desert karma]

shouldnt you cast rupture inside a tb window even if it runs out?

[shrewd oriole]

I helped some guy and he last night got his first purple parse

Came tell me about it

Was so beautiful

I felt like a proud parent

@desert karma refresh it before you cast Tb

If it’s gonna fall off during Tb

: )

[desert karma]

yoh, thats a tricky one to time then 😢

[spare cloud]

Can't do that much math

unlucky

[dire spoke]

[lone junco]

@dire spoke Beautiful memes.

[desert karma]

Btw, I was told my game would lag if I tried to use wowlogs to record my gameplay

[shrewd oriole]

If you have a poor person pc

[dire spoke]

https://imgflip.com/i/26wo4r

[desert karma]

is that true?

[spare cloud]

If you have a shitty pc

yes

[desert karma]

what is shitty?

[solid nova]

Log a fight

and find out

[spare cloud]

Can't find out yourself?

[lone junco]

Logs are bully tools.

[spare cloud]

the thing is

[lone junco]

👌

[spare cloud]

if he starts logging

then my logs look better in comparison

so I'm glad that he logs

[desert karma]

when i have discord running with wow, I get around 290ms so I dont know if wowlogs would make that worse

[lone junco]

Make sure to enable Advanced logging.

[solid nova]

If discord gives you 290ms

Dont log

[lone junco]

Ms is ping.

[keen inlet]

Logs are [misused by people as] bully tools

fixed ur meme noobe

[spare cloud]

Doesnt matter if you lifelog

🤔

[dire spoke]

https://imgflip.com/i/26wo9m

[spare cloud]

Have you ever had a computer class or something

Yeah the same meme after 10 times gets boring

[lone junco]

If you are orange then log is viagra to your eggplant.

[spare cloud]

even if you change the text

Yeah I'm an old man I need the Viagra

[desert karma]

I wonder if it makes a lot of difference to play on low ms

[spare cloud]

No it doesn't

[desert karma]

like would I notice a change?

[spare cloud]

No you wouldn't

[dire spoke]

not in this spec

[solid nova]

My abilities cast instantly or with a 2.9 second delay

Would it have a difference?

[lost horizon]

Sin is super forgiving for high ms/low fps

[spare cloud]

I'd like to see Zempai

play with 290 ms

All his clicks delayed

[gilded lark]

not in this spec richard

20 apm

[desert karma]

Is clicking a bad thing?

[gilded lark]

yes

[keen inlet]

Only if you're bad at it

[solid nova]

Its inefficient

[keen inlet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid nova]

Unless you're zempai

Whos mastered the art

[spare cloud]

No its bad if youre good at it too

Simply because of the fact that you can't be as efficient as someone who uses keybinds

makes it worse by definition

[keen inlet]

ah so now we're gonna click bully lol

is that what sin is these days

[solid nova]

What if my fingers are tiny so my keybinds are limited

[spare cloud]

No its not bullying

[gilded lark]

#clickshaming

[spare cloud]

just facts

[solid nova]

So i have to click

[keen inlet]

"you sukk becuz u X"

[spare cloud]

yeah because thats what I said

[lone junco]

And 250 ms is .25 sec. right. So it's not the not end of the world.

[solid nova]

its 2.5 seconds

not .25

[spare cloud]

If your fingers are too tiny to press keybinds

[gilded lark]

err

no

250 ms is not 2.5s

[ripe carbon]

250 ms are not 2.5 seconds D:

[lost horizon]

@solid nova ms is milliseconds

[desert karma]

Idk, when people hear that I normal have that ms, they freak out and start saying how they cant play with anything above 15ms

[spare cloud]

1 second is 1000 ms

you dummy

its 0.25

[lost horizon]

Milli = 1000th

[solid nova]

🎣

[gilded lark]

What if we're all wrong

and it's 25 seconds

[spare cloud]

Probably busy playing wow instead of paying attention in physics class

[gilded lark]

2apm connected to oce servers

[solid nova]

So sensitive today Toph

[lost horizon]

I mean if that was bait you were in it for the long con my dude

[gilded lark]

when isn't he sensitive

[spare cloud]

I am a proud german women

[solid nova]

True

[lone junco]

Lucky sin is slow and uptime clips are easy and pb doesn't care about latency.

[spare cloud]

I am sensitive at all times

[gilded lark]

he was merely pretending to be speshul

[spare cloud]

Mute Broad

please

[dire spoke]

https://imgflip.com/i/26wooy

[spare cloud]

[gilded lark]

lmao

[desert karma]

So if Im in the southern tip of Africa, wouldnt I always get bad ms no matter if I upgraded my 4MB line?

[gilded lark]

if it was from anyone else that'd be a 0/10 meme

[solid nova]

Zempai saving the working day

[spare cloud]

I mean there is nobody who can proof that this statement is true

soooo

[lone junco]

I have a 996mb line.

[gilded lark]

congratz

[desert karma]

damn @lone junco you must pay a lot for that

[spare cloud]

are you saying

[lone junco]

But logging is on CPU more than latency.

[spare cloud]

https://gyazo.com/575395f1790a0af7e6e51f67fadd0992

those are good logs?

Ok

[gilded lark]

is that zempai

or you

[spare cloud]

Guess.

[dire spoke]

those are kill and never reclear logs you dummy

[gilded lark]

you

ok

[spare cloud]

Yeah

[dire spoke]

can't log if you don't log

[spare cloud]

considering that half of them are sub

I can see that.

[desert karma]

damn, Toph, those are huge ranks

[spare cloud]

I find it hella impressive

that you can play sub while clicking

no joke

[solid nova]

Toph complimenting

The end is coming

[dire spoke]

I could play sub on aggra today 🤔

[spare cloud]

But its just a fact that its not as efficient as using keybinds

[lost horizon]

If you actually click and got those logs by clicking that's precious

[desert karma]

so how do I get a green rank guys? 😄

[keen inlet]

magic

[solid nova]

289ms and lower

[lost horizon]

289 seconds is a long time between abilities

[solid nova]

He'll be 2.89 seconds faster

That's defo a blue log

[spare cloud]

Fucking hell

stop giving me conniptions

with that shit

[keen inlet]

Toph

[dire spoke]

https://snag.gy/Zc9CVt.jpg 🤔

[solid nova]

You're such an angry human Toph

[keen inlet]

it's okay

this is a chatroom on the internet about a ded game

[spare cloud]

nice hc logs

[keen inlet]

[lost horizon]

The shade is real

[desert karma]

Damn, Zempai is a legendary player

[keen inlet]

"I'm pretty chill it takes a lot to trigg-"

somebody posts heroic logs

[dire spoke]

https://pre00.deviantart.net/5612/th/pre/f/2011/289/b/b/it__s_something_by_rober_raik-d4czhxe.png

[desert karma]

never seen orange ranks before :0

[vernal adder]

look at my logs guise

[desert karma]

wait, if youre orange name on discord, does that mean you have gotten orange ranks before?

[spare cloud]

I think MattB might be the next Xaethron

[keen inlet]

"I'll never be toxic again"

-Ramlu, 2k18

[vernal adder]

[keen inlet]

❤

[dire spoke]

somebody wants my aggra spot tonight?

[vernal adder]

no

[desert karma]

Who is Xaethron?

[shrewd oriole]

Oh god

Don’t answer that

[gilded lark]

me tbh

also... xaethron.

[shrewd oriole]

It’s not my fault I’d post mythic logs but I can’t

😠

[gilded lark]

how do describe that guy

[spare cloud]

Just post screenshots

😦

[gilded lark]

Weapons-grade stupidity

[lost horizon]

Wait can I post my LFR logs?

[gilded lark]

is about the only thing that comes to mind

[lost horizon]

Only heroic is triggering right?

[shrewd oriole]

@spare cloud I do tho

[desert karma]

Why does Toph say that Im the next then? Im asking legitimate questions?

[bold dune]

Toph are these your parses

[spare cloud]

Yes

[bold dune]

massive oof

[keen inlet]

[gilded lark]

hey man

we all have bad tiers

[bold dune]

yeah right lol

[spare cloud]

Dont insult me else ima ping all the mods

please

[gilded lark]

do it

you actually cant @everyone

see it doesn't work

[solid nova]

ffs

dont ping me

[desert karma]

If you stabbed Toph with a toxic blade, it would be resisted

[gilded lark]

@solid nova

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[bold dune]

why does it say you're 10/11 if you have parses for every boss

[unreal coyote]

whats going on here

[shrewd oriole]

Armory doesn’t update fast