Ok
#assassination
spare cloud
never envenom at 3 cp
paper mural
Ok
spare cloud
thats a slight timing issue that goes away with experience usually
paper mural
Awesome
pure crag
dumb question but is poison bomb an artifact trait/passive? I can't find it in my spell book
spare cloud
But can't always happen
paper mural
I'm gonna run another heroic later, mind if I dump those logs in later?
civic palm
Yes
spare cloud
I probably wont be on for that
civic palm
Poison Bomb is from the Bag of Tricks trait.
pure crag
thanks
turbid harbor
tourney realm is up boyzzzzz
tribal frigate
when we have 3cp and need to refresh the buff, should we use fok to gain 1-2 cp to envenom?
spare cloud
🤔
fast nacelle
we belf now
turbid harbor
stop linking your gear
spare cloud
Nice helmet
fast nacelle
spare cloud
scammed
fast nacelle
hueeeeehue
midnight latch
whats up with the poverty chest?
tacit bay
what is the magic timing that happens when I get 1 vendetta cd relic btw?
spare cloud
Better alignments with tb
spare cloud
still r1 simdps?`
fast nacelle
ye.. 980 helmet and 970 belt was guud boost
fast nacelle
nah both are simmed with new gear
with NC prob even more dps loss.. dwarf too gud
tauren need rogues
lone junco
@marble hemlock alluress is running snd right. That 970 frond is bonkers.
marble hemlock
yeah hes gonna play combat for most of the timetrials i think
dawn kettle
for m argus, my 2nd vanish is coming back up in the transition to p2, is it worth holding it for vendetta like 30 seconds into p2 or just use it with kb and tb
marble hemlock
gonna be playing assa for the nl and upper, gonna be fun with like a 970 mastery and vers statstrick 😮
dawn kettle
poison
prime void
solid answer...
dawn kettle
oh shoulders wrists
vapid moth
Lmao you only got to 935 in 2 days? Fucking scrub
Huh
That was posted 5 minutes ago
Why is the chat so dead
spare cloud
Because we were waiting for you
vapid moth
Awww
spare cloud
now that you're here we can start chatting again
void pecan
Yeah
vapid moth
This is why I love toph
summer moon
Void elf is top?
shrewd oriole
no
spare cloud
No
shrewd oriole
belf for horde
primal tangle
This is where the real dark souls begins..
marble hemlock
wow
no shivermaw, glaives, frond, arcanogolem or engine on tournament realm
this is sad
shrewd oriole
wtf
spare cloud
well guess rip every team that used melees
shrewd oriole
wtf is rogue supposed to do
marble hemlock
play assa
shrewd oriole
p much
marble hemlock
with etheral urn, since its thankfully a mastery statstick
spare cloud
Are you allowed to swap teams?
shrewd oriole
what ilvl is the gear
spare cloud
like are you allowed to play different classes than what you applied with
spare cloud
so you can just reroll anything if you got it prepared
marble hemlock
but seriously, not giving us the option of a simple stat-stick
shrewd oriole
is pantheon available?
shrewd oriole
what the actual fuck
marble hemlock
the very limited choice of gear however...
spare cloud
time trials start next week right?
marble hemlock
yeah
marble hemlock
the setup they have for the regionals is really cool actually
first round is going to be +22 keys, with the finals being +24 and the first dungeon in the lower/winnerbracket final is always going to be a seat with quaking, explosive, fortified 😮
shadow talon
what's the rotation to use when vanish is off cooldown, ? spamming mut -> rupture ?
calm grail
marble hemlock
i mean
beacon works just fine for most melee anyway
its just mind boggling to not include tos trinkets like engine, glaives or something as simple as having a vers/mastery/crit/haste statstick avialable for everyone
supple hearth
@shrewd oriole dont use bad words
marble hemlock
still plenty of stuff to play around with, currenlty thinking of running mastery statstick (nightbane trinket) and terrorbound nexus for aoe
basically all the dungeon trinkets and antorus ones
spare cloud
Oh so they just banned specific ones?
marble hemlock
with seat gear being excluded apparently
spare cloud
Nice.
marble hemlock
nah, its basically just antorus trinkets+dungeon ones
so you get a crit and mastery statstick in hunger of the pack/nightbane urn
shrewd oriole
spare cloud
Thats good for assa
marble hemlock
😄
shrewd oriole
Well there goes the last good rogue
spare cloud
less good for sub
marble hemlock
@fathom badger did your rogue also start with double haste-statstick when you created it?
shrewd oriole
We are all monks now LUL
marble hemlock
or does it get rolled randomly on creation
shrewd oriole
Idk why they say they want to create realistic scenarios that u can try in game
But then don’t give us trinkets we have access to in game
Could at least make them lower ilvl or math
Smth*
shrewd oriole
Everyone has glaives, it’s not this unobtainable divinity or something
marble hemlock
cause i planned on playing assa in at least two of the dungeons
shrewd oriole
🤷 yeah just means we won’t see any rogue in the later stages of the tournament
marble hemlock
can still play sub, just gotta play beacon
shrewd oriole
Lul
Warrior double fucked cuz beacon is nuts for them
Nice
Is there amanthuls
Lul
shrewd oriole
That’s bad for hunter
spare cloud
I saw like a video on brh
of drjayfisto doing like 14 M dps on the second to last boss
marble hemlock
yeah
spare cloud
what is up with that
marble hemlock
you mindcontrol the arcanist
like, a dk can do it
since its an undead
he then casts onto mobs
gets a buff that increases haste and damage
marble hemlock
you release it, mage spellsteals, drinks up, does the same again
and keeps the buff for like 20sec
which is enough to kill the boss basically
marble hemlock
its hard to pull off consistently
if you fuck it up, you wasted a shitton of resources to do it
spare cloud
You know what would be cool, if they fixed stuff mid tournament
marble hemlock
and BRH isnt available that much actually
exotic glen
That would not be cool
spare cloud
Yeah thats true I guess
marble hemlock
BRH is only gonna be available for round 2 and 3
marble hemlock
spare cloud
if its inconsistent
marble hemlock
i think
marble hemlock
assa is the only non-caster spec
that doesnt get screwed over by the gear-availability
marble hemlock
first map of the bo3 is fixed, chosen by blizzard
second map is chosen by the loser of the first map
marble hemlock
they have 2 fixed affixes each
one of them tyra/fort
the other in affix#2 column
the third affix also gets chosen by the loser
so if i go up against like doublemonk or whatever
and you lose first map
you just give them a skittish on map2 or smth
and watch them suffer
spare cloud
Are the affixes you can choose limited to lifeserver availability?
marble hemlock
can choose from these: sanguine, bursting, necrotic, volcanic, explosive, quaking, grievous
spare cloud
except for the fact that you have those limited item options
marble hemlock
so no skittish-plans i guess
yeah
like, the double elim bracket, the fairly high keylevel with finals being 24 etc.
is really cool
marble hemlock
no
spare cloud
kk so its like on live
marble hemlock
seat24 with fort/explo/quaking is going to be tight in a live-setting
marble hemlock
again, assa is fine in seat
spare cloud
so no skittish
spare cloud
Yeah but fine as in there are no better choices
or fine as in you can play it but you wont top with it
marble hemlock
well, it depends a lot on how flexible your players are
someone like wolfdisco will have no issues switching classes depending on dungeon
while a lot of melee that only play a specific class are going to have big problems. subrogues are really screwed actually
monk/mm without cof
warrior without glaives/beacon
sub without contract/glaives etc.
spare cloud
Yeah well
spare cloud
Probably gonna be the most adaptable team anyways
civic palm
New tank choices maybe.
spare cloud
from the looks of it
civic palm
Actually Arms is fucking D E A D ye?
spare cloud
yeah well boss dmg
civic palm
Yeah alright isn't really the aim, meme-y though
marble hemlock
ret may actually be viable too
spare cloud
I think arms always has like the big problem if
having to choose between aoe and st
Can you pull warlock respecc summon shenanigans?
or is that not allowed
civic palm
Do not think you are allowed to leave.
spare cloud
because then arms might work in some dungeons
civic palm
Dunno though
spare cloud
where you can respecc to fury for bosses quickly
marble hemlock
dont think theres a clause that forbids respeccing
spare cloud
Might make some respeccs viable for some dungeons
marble hemlock
if you have a warlock i think its considered part of his skillset
either way, a lot of big-pull into big aoe burst combos are going to have to reeavluate how viable they are
without any melee-trinkets carrying aoe burst
civic palm
Bigger pulls, fatter boomkins.
marble hemlock
its not just melee who suffere here, tanks/healers not having access to glaives is a big drop in burst aoe too
spare cloud
How is fire in consistent aoe?
marble hemlock
not the greatest
actually fairly shit
depends on whether you go living bomb or flamepatch
civic palm
Considering they are coordinated teams, flamepatch isn't cancerous.
marble hemlock
mostly depends on the packsize youre pulling
spare cloud
I feel like there are some classes that are just above average in every scenario
civic palm
wtb more hunters dying to literally everything.
spare cloud
and the trinket choices make that even more obvious
civic palm
What is the item pool?
civic palm
So get fucked Holy Priests.
civic palm
OTLul
spare cloud
dh as well
spare cloud
with cof
civic palm
ha yeah
spare cloud
I think the dh is strong though
civic palm
Yeah it's fine.
spare cloud
like meta timings are fucked doe to no cof, right?
marble hemlock
t20/t21, dungeon trinkets/loot except seat/violet hold, everything from antorus, and offset pieces from tomb like bracers, boots etc.
civic palm
T21 is good for dungeons ye?
marble hemlock
thats pretty much it
civic palm
troof
spare cloud
at least you can get pretty much every item with best stats
civic palm
Yeah
marble hemlock
yup
vapid moth
DH isn't that fucked. It still has shoulders
civic palm
and tier.
marble hemlock
assa is actually improving due to access to something like ethereal urn, or terrorbound nexus at high ilvl
civic palm
It was already psuedo-meta before the item limitations.
marble hemlock
almsot every other class is suffering though
spare cloud
Idk much about dh I just thought dh is getting cucked because of the timings
vapid moth
Nah
civic palm
Nah
spare cloud
pretty sure every group with a dh has to completely change their pulls due to cof
vapid moth
You already spend half you time in Meta with dh
marble hemlock
every melee has to consider whether its worth playing melee right now
civic palm
For MDI anyway.
marble hemlock
and not just roll a lock or boomy
vapid moth
Sin life forever for me
civic palm
Least we Boomkin you can learn that instantly.
marble hemlock
WW will be fine i think, even without cof
civic palm
Yeah just a little slower.
vapid moth
So what are these restrictions for?
marble hemlock
the singletarget is still utterly ridiculous
civic palm
So, here is hoping Blizzard has the scripting for showing items+talents this time.
Maybe some scripting for updating items.
marble hemlock
who knows
gonna get some sleep now, gotta set up interface and everything tomorrow :/
vapid moth
I mained DH since vanilla. I think I'd know everything there is to know about it
civic palm
Well it looks like you weren't paying any attention.
nimble tartan
mizerok did u kill argus yet
wait
not u
nvm i got u confused with someone else
civic palm
The imposter Miz...
simple python
plain thistle
vendetta and vanish
fervent beacon
You can use KB/TB on the pull
fleet whale
Depends on how fast you are killing the boss/adds... at this point on heroic I just use it all on pull and I deal more dps overall.
civic palm
Yeah N/H is a crapshoot.
fleet whale
Is there ever a time/gear level where crit takes over mastery for poison build? I'm just wondering this looking at trinket list and the best NLC traits
civic palm
Nope.
fervent beacon
T21 will push the value of crit up, without mantle even further until you're in 42% range
fleet whale
Haste is the only secondary that is worse than Agi for me 😛
supple mesa
Ive made a depressing discovery
civic palm
Oh yeah?
supple mesa
Apparently the reason im simming so low is because i have terrible relics.
I replaced my relics with ideal ones and went up 65k dps
fleet whale
what are the relics you have currently?
supple mesa
Lol i got a fel engraved handbel trash crucible a eye of sivarax trash crucible and a toxic blades relic lol
Trash crucible aswell
fleet whale
toxic blades isn't so bad as long as it's combined with good other two traits
fleet whale
BB isn't bad though
supple mesa
Apparently it is i replaced that relic with a malch mshadows and malch crucible set up and went up 21k dps
fleet whale
BB is the third best trait for assassination, your NLC trait on that relic is probably just really bad
supple mesa
Yeah its the sprit one
fleet whale
I don't think I could play with just 22% crit
jovial kite
loses to esang 😺
supple mesa
Im playing with 36% crit and want more 😂
civic palm
Not optimal damage pretty sure.
fleet whale
Takes me back to NH days and I know some people loved AP but I hated it...
supple mesa
Only have lile 191%mast food buffed tho😑
plain thistle
176% mastery here 🤷
plain thistle
fleet whale
188% unbuffed with 32% crit
well, the crit is 33 during the day... but no one raids during the day
jovial kite
47% crit 15% versa
fleet whale
Exsang with haste next expansion has some promise
jovial kite
there will probably be some low softcap
but not all out haste i feelycrafty
if there are no baseline changes to how the spec works
we are still locked in with crit
fleet whale
yeah, but I just like how haste will be more useful for all specs
fleet whale
and both specs should have good scaling with the mastery change so it will either be fight by fight or personal preference
it's been dead since wod
jovial kite
im currently only exsang player in top 100 in aggramar coven and argus
fleet whale
he parses 99
supple mesa
whats your rogues name
supple mesa
Jesus you monster
fleet whale
at one point you were top dog on Coven...
jovial kite
i was rank 1 in coven for 2 months straight
jovial kite
then came argus progression and then came bench
supple mesa
did you swap gear for poison build?
jovial kite
yeah i started playing exsang for farm
fleet whale
why would they bench an assassination rogue on Argus?
jovial kite
they didnt?
fleet whale
you said and then came bench
jovial kite
i benched myself for farm bosses 😄
jovial kite
i could've stated that more clearly :p
supple mesa
the rotation looks nifty
civic palm
hmmm
fleet whale
Exsang had a lot of hype in the weeks leading up to Antorus and I even tried it on ptr...it felt different but good
higher apm
fleet whale
yeah... they stealth nerfed that
jovial kite
yep
i was mid hfc mythic boost run
on archi
and noticed that my dps was scuffed mid pull
supple mesa
whats cd on exang?
fleet whale
As fun as those openers were, wasn't a big fan of hemo, always preferred EP for bleed
jovial kite
45
fleet whale
45 secs
supple mesa
so whats gimmick
jovial kite
45 sec vendetta
supple mesa
burst comes in with vendetta + exang
fleet whale
exsang and vendetta would line up all the time
supple mesa
?
jovial kite
your every exsang comes with vendetta at 45 sec
supple mesa
nice
jovial kite
exsang has huge execute potential
and its godtier on 2-3t cleave
if we're talking melee
and not ranged dotters
fleet whale
APM was higher too, don't know the exact numbers but it felt kind of fast
jovial kite
yeah it is
fleet whale
maybe 50 APM? I don't know
supple mesa
Lol tbh after I started playing
I dont think i could ever play sub again
ill have to try exang
everrything sin related is so fun xD
jovial kite
youll need some specific gear though
fleet whale
need boots
fleet whale
you can get away without having assassin relics in poison build and still be competitive, but it's a must for exsang
supple mesa
i have pretty much everything
only problem is when i run boots bracers i cant run t20
jovial kite
supple mesa
I first started playing wow toward the end of tos
so i dint get much mythic raiding in
and my pieces are low ilvl
like 915-940
jovial kite
you should sim them still
fleet whale
gloves and shoulders are ideal pieces for t20 (or at least I think)
supple mesa
yeah i do
jovial kite
so why cant you run t20 2p?
jovial kite
ahh i see
supple mesa
dunno why
O_O
but bracers shoulders also sim lower than boots shoulders for me
so theres alot of weird shit going on with my rogue
xD
fleet whale
boots shoulders was the NH meta
supple mesa
Are these like your actual gear sims
civic palm
No you can notice the gear on the right is an entire set basically.
civic palm
Only doing this because I am wondering how much more you get with the dumb patchwerk template.
Which is,
Like 100k
Didn't mean to crop in the top items, disregard those.
supple mesa
rip meme
civic palm
It's only for when someone comes in here puffing their chest and asking for fucking parses before listening to reason.
Earlier someone was interested in how much item level matters for stat gain so I have dumb profiles saved.
With like, max mastery 1000 item level items.
supple mesa
xD
supple mesa
Real talk how did you make your name text green
civic palm
You can ask a mod when you see one, don't know if the bot works in the bot-spam channel.
If you click on my name you can see the Role set for Poison.
supple mesa
who are mods?
civic palm
Anyone Shadowblade or higher can do it, but don't just randomly bug them about it.
civic palm
~8 people of our Mythic team is actually ready for Mythic.
ehhh, probably like 12 when people show up > _>
white galleon
supple mesa
Oh everyone else arent strong players?
white galleon
👀
civic palm
975 or so I bet.
white galleon
970
supple mesa
??????????????
white galleon
its tournament realm
supple mesa
Im 972 and do 2.2
civic palm
Yeah their attitudes are wrong for Mythic Progression.
supple mesa
What boss you on?
supple mesa
ahc?
civic palm
high command
supple mesa
ohhh
tbh lol
that boss was hard as fuck during prog
that boss and portal keeper were toughies
supple mesa
kg was alot easier than i thought it was going to be
drowsy hollow
god dang assassination challenge is easy, but any of the challenges are easy with self sustain
gilded lark
Well yeah the challenges are piss easy now when we're 50+ ilevels higher than when they were released
onyx falcon
How much HP do the challenges have again? Like ~111M ish?
supple mesa
So
Is it bad to have 2k vers
stat weight show it still very low in value
but idk
onyx falcon
nah vers isnt that bad
the stat weight goes up as you gear up as well
for me my vers stat is almost on par w/ my crit stat (i play poison build)
dunno if you play bleed
supple mesa
😢 Dreams really do come true
zealous dew
f0king sh1t day my dog is dead
gaunt moat
what? really? 😦
zealous dew
yeah... this hurts
surreal stirrup
hello
gaunt moat
how did it happen
zealous dew
had a genetical disease but didn't expect him to die so fast
quick ice
sorry to hear that 😦
supple mesa
Always tough to lose a dog my guy, just keep your head high knowing he lived a life of love. Hope you feel better brother.
zealous dew
thanks, appreciated
grave solar
Did you eat him too or nah?
supple mesa
Are you fucking serious?
solid nova
@zealous dew ❤
quick ice
that's messed up
placid snow
I just did a sim and my starts weight is Crit
48.37
Mastery
47.75
Vers
40.05
Agi
33.90
Haste
30.01
should I use feast in raids or crit/mastery food?
solid nova
So you have a 375 Crit food, and a 375 Mastery food
Based on what you've just showed us, what would give you the most benefit ?
quick ice
multiply the stat weight by 375 for crit, 500 for agi, or 475 if you use expensive darkmoon food
tight meteor
i use feast cuz im cheap
quick ice
guild provided vers feasts ❤
placid snow
can you manually change stats using raidbots?
gilded lark
.. but you don't need to
shrewd oriole
Math is hard
shrewd oriole
Whatever I’m at
Below that, you’re bad
That’s the rule of thumb we use around here
solid nova
You take your stats, and multiply them by the number on the buff food
Whichever is the big number
Take that
gilded lark
according to those your best food is the 475 vers
if you don't use that, use crit food
but it's literally 1k dps, or 2k if you use feast
so really
use fucking haste food if you want
shrewd oriole
@placid snow there’s no answer for that question, there’s no “good sim” cuz it varies on what if content you’re doing
placid snow
haha
shrewd oriole
If you’re only doing normal, the gear you have access to is very limited and therefore your sim is gonna reflect that
placid snow
yea but more like at what number you know your gear should be good
solid nova
????
shrewd oriole
You might be the highest simming normal / heroic raider
shrewd night
wat
gilded lark
what
frozen pecan
what
shrewd oriole
I tried to give you a real answer
But I give up
If you don’t sim 2.34 you’re bad
lethal heart
shrewd oriole
Cuz that’s what I sim
placid snow
no the 2.34 is what I wanted to know thx
shrewd night
...............
shrewd night
Is this Banjo thursday or whats going on
lethal heart
👀
lethal heart
wondering how the spec would look like / scale with agonizing
shrewd oriole
Is it bad if I find BM more fun than MM
supple mesa
Did someone say
shrewd oriole
Mm single target feels really boring but bm is like proc city
lethal heart
isnt mm proc based as fuck aswell?
shrewd oriole
Yeah
shrewd night
Mind you, tom is what
shrewd oriole
And the procs aren’t even engaging you know
supple mesa
is proc based
shrewd night
Oh, even better
shrewd oriole
I went up 55 ilvls
lethal heart
i mean i only noticed it on kingaroth 1st pulls
gilded lark
Portuguese BM hunter lul
shrewd night
Boost my warrior this weekend 
gilded lark
gl in pugs
gilded lark
leechy boi
shrewd oriole
Idk I don’t like MM, at least the procs on BMhunter feels fun you know
shrewd night
Tom the new cleavage streamer
shrewd oriole
That shits fun
gilded lark
turtle
shrewd oriole
Same as MM
gilded lark
psure the only spec that doesn't have disengage baseline
is surv
and you can talent into it
supple mesa
or you could talent into
gilded lark
you're trying too hard
supple mesa
25% DOESNT LIE
solid nova
Give me attention
supple mesa
Nice pic richard
gilded lark
pb pic posting about pb
shrewd oriole
poison bomb btw haHAA I’m funny
solid nova
Thanks
shrewd oriole
If you’re gonna make a PB meme at least link a 12% pb log or skmrthing
supple mesa
Why bfa is coming
shrewd night
skrrt skrrt
supple mesa
25% is all i know
wild ledge
🤫
supple mesa
I wonder what the average will be in bfa
supple mesa
Nah we chillin
wild ledge
Gone right?
supple mesa
Wont know for awhile
quick ice
gone atm
lethal heart
feeflsbad if gone actually
supple mesa
lotta time left for change
gilded lark
he's asking about current alpha
solid nova
It's not currently in the Alpha
gilded lark
how wouldn't we know for a while
supple mesa
You're pleasant arent you
gilded lark
yes
quick ice
watch MP/NS/Vig/x/x/VR/PB be meta and we lose heaps of buttons and become an even more boring spec
lethal heart
well
sub loses energettic stabbing
and artifact ability aswell i believe?
so yea
vigor is must have probably aswell
because energy starvation will be real
or alacrity 🤦
quick ice
possibly SF meta for sub
wild ledge
Rogue artefact abilities are boring anyway, compare them to some other classes. Like how can you miss Kb?
quick ice
has sub not lost alacrity as well?
wild ledge
Yeah exactly
lethal heart
looks like alacrity is still in game
wild ledge
Hope dispatch is useable, I like
supple mesa
yeah but right now you have to chose between mpoisoner and dispatch
Idk if it will be worth
wild ledge
But mastery affects poisons and bleeds, so full poison build might not be best anyway
lethal heart
thats unfortunate
shrewd night
Depends on tuning, but I hope they do, because execute dispatch is the smoothest thing since butter
wild ledge
Ofc all subject to tuning
lethal heart
i said that once but i think it's super difficult for blizz to make class interesting now
because most of the specs without all the traits/legendaries/artifacts
feel flat
they need to come up with something big
shrewd night
There was a topic on r/wow recently about how blizzard could introduce class diversity and feel
And someone went back to the good old TBC days when you had rogues open instance doors and shit
wild ledge
Well dispatch adds a proc as well as the execute, it’s something that changes rotation
shrewd night
^
lethal heart
feels bad you cant dismantle trap as rogues anymore 😛
and they're talking about class fantasy and stuff
brisk forge
No, the traps in BWL!
supple mesa
I wonder if that crimson whatever move will ever be usefull
The animation is pretty hyphy
solid nova
vial
supple mesa
No the new talent in bfa
wild ledge
@brisk forge PogChamp
supple mesa
you can choose between it pb or something else
sharp viper
lethal heart
pb in game means it's probably always worth if you just wanna gamble lol
unless damage is really really low
then why the fuck play that anyawy
supple mesa
Was poison bomb in the game before legion?
echo estuary
No
brisk forge
Nope
solid nova
Crimson tempest was around in 2012 and its just getting thrown back in for BFA
echo estuary
C tempest was a aoe finisher
restive inlet
I hope crimson tempest will be the go to in m+ etc. PB can be fun, but it can also be absolute cancer
lethal heart
pb is most likely ST c hoice
supple mesa
oh def
supple mesa
unless if ctempest is good with exang
lethal heart
true
solid nova
Dispatch does sound good
supple mesa
then people might stack garrot rup ctemp with vendetta exang
restive inlet
Then there is the legendary cloak talent as well. I have trouble seeing that compete, apart from niche situations
solid nova
I hope it ends up being the go to
brisk forge
PB cant be bad since its rng, it dosent change that much tbh
Can stil play/rank really good w/o crazy procs
restive inlet
The mastery multiplier for poison will be lower in bfa, so pb should not be as impactful as it is now
lethal heart
they should make poison bomb do less damage the more targets it hits or some shit
so crimson is always choice for aoe
supple mesa
From what I know it does
lethal heart
but then gambling spec
supple mesa
I believe i saw a video of someone ranting about how strong rogue wil be in pvp
because of that
solid nova
The fuck
supple mesa
i want to say dalaran
lethal heart
pvp LUL
supple mesa
perhaps go check on youtube
solid nova
8 second silence 😂
supple mesa
lol with subterfuge
echo estuary
Hard hitting RNG spells with low % is a bad design
solid nova
DR is 15 seconds too
lethal heart
silences are so stupid
echo estuary
I'll make a blatant example
lethal heart
have you ever seen a vengeance demon hunter
it's like
10 seconds of silence
0 dr
and then you can beam for another 5 or 6 seconds
and can belf silence on top of that with 0 dr aswell
stuns in this game at least pretend to be balanced xd
echo estuary
If your target sits full kidney and pb doesnt proc - he may be fine. If pb procs for whole duration, it may result in a cooldown use from your enemy, maybe even pvp trinket. Which is huge. For what? I mean skill wise you did the same operation, pressed kidney shot but had entirely different outcome on the arena match by forcing trinket. Ergo you didnt outplay but got lucky. Bad design.
lethal heart
unless
solid nova
Basing design on pvp 🤷
echo estuary
Its bad in pve too
echo estuary
With 5% proc it may not proc for minutes
echo estuary
Or proc at the weirdest times
lethal heart
but its clearly balanced around pvp
supple mesa
Idk the way i see it in bfa pb will be about close to as common as a crit
echo estuary
Even i know, and i dont pve, that parses are largely dependant on pb. I.e rng. How is this ever not a bad design?!
supple mesa
So it wont be as silly as it is now
Well. not really you can get 95percentile with low pb
easy
lethal heart
the difference in dps psn bomb can make is ~+/-10% i'd say
supple mesa
now the people that are top 100 probably had some lucky procs
lethal heart
which is quite big imo
echo estuary
I clearly ment the last percentages where it matters to push hardcore
lethal heart
assa st damage is good enough even with bad psn bomb procs
problem would be if that was make or break yea
supple mesa
^
lethal heart
which could obviously be the case, probably then people would play as sub if you relaly wanted a rogue in encounter
because sub is super consistant and always does same damage each pull pretty much
strange python
sub ❤
lethal heart
i agree pb is flawed
echo estuary
Precisely
echo estuary
Sub is thus the proper skill check where rng doesnt apply the variance
lethal heart
still has some rng obviously like crit rng/concordance but it has less effect yea
there is so much little stuff you can play around as sub
supple mesa
You know I always hear about how sub used to be one of the hardest specs to play, what was so different back then?
lethal heart
that would clearly make you look as better player
you mean NH sub or earlier expansions sub?
supple mesa
no clue was just told it used to be alot harder and was considered one of the highest skilll cap specs
solid nova
Probably still is
lethal heart
sub is punished by mechanics a lot still
solid nova
Where's Fuu when you need him to agree with you
lethal heart
because your timings are so delicate
and its not even rewarding at this moment
sadly
quick ice
pre-7.3 feral though
solid nova
The effort you need to put in, for the damage numbers you get out
supple mesa
probably because of the gimped 4pce
lethal heart
yea
quick ice
plus the potential for DFA positioning shenanigans
supple mesa
lol ill never forget dfa on avatar
supple mesa
its worse on KG but luckily i decided to switch to sin
echo estuary
Exactly richard, another big flaw with this game. Skill should always manifest in higher yield, no exceptions.
solid nova
I can sit and try hard my tits off playing sub
supple mesa
Tbh ill never play another spec/class. Ilove sin so relaxing xD
solid nova
And the sin rogue next to me is scratching his ass and sailing by me
lethal heart
sin is only spec i can alt tab mid tries
and still be top dps
change music and stuff
ez clap
solid nova
It started off well but its slowly been dropping off
lethal heart
i mean sub was really fucking strong in tos
solid nova
It was topping agg/argus for mythic (All be it with a minute amount of parses)
solid nova
Sin has taken that spot too
quick ice
I used to have conversations during prog back in NH
supple mesa
Well again, the tier gear decdided its fate. t20 4pce and 2pce were amazing for sub
but look at the difference in value between sin/sub tier
frozen pecan
I played outlul in nh 😄
lethal heart
glad we private log
so i can meme around on farm
and being only rogue in guild
noone is gonna expose me
ez clap
echo estuary
Exactly this was the mentality back in the day. Walking that extra mile WAS rewarded, parsing at the cutting edge WAS congruent to skill as gear had waaay less impact on the numbers than skill.
lethal heart
but actually this week for my rogue is other guild i think
so might have to tryhard a bit
echo estuary
Now they're just catering to casuals fulltime
lethal heart
i'm guessing you're pvp player @echo estuary
right?
since you said you dont really pve
echo estuary
Yes but i parsed top 10 world in wotlk
lethal heart
i mean just look at pvp templates
and how it forces you to play only 1 way
in pvp
you cannot be maybe smarter than other players
and come up with some 420 yolo meta for stacking mastery on w/e class you play
because you have template
that just makes you play certain way
echo estuary
Because you lack buttons too = less outplay potential, more stale, boring, scripted, etc
solid nova
Cata too tbh
warm parcel
Not in pve