Quick question, with kb being at 1.34mins cooldown, is it worth just stacking it up with vanish?
#assassination
paper mural
ornate valley
no
lone junco
tbh. I expected to get a new neck soon, but 935 my socketed barb neck is pretty good. beats a lot of 960 stuff I have.
shrewd oriole
@paper mural how is kb 1.34 mins cd mate
wise frigate
Huh. Just noticed Barb is the exact same as the nelth's neck just without that added effect.
dire spoke
@ornate valley https://snag.gy/KqcEd6.jpg
lone junco
ornate valley
TY
lone junco
not quite 8 mut in a row. but its still a really good run
wise frigate
@lone junco This week's chest made me happy. Wish I could clone it and send it to you for that juicy upgrade.
dire spoke
no 15 wtf
wise frigate
RIP
I'm lazy as fuck.
Only 15s in group finder when I finally did a key were the ones being sold so I said fuck it and did a 13 upper.
Little did I know that there would be a DH doing 600k overall when I did 1.9mil overall.
lone junco
rip
wise frigate
It was a bad run to say the least.
prime void
You did your key late
wise frigate
Wiped on Viz at 201k HP
prime void
Thats on you
paper mural
@shrewd oriole Sorry, I'm being a spaz, I meant vendetta
wise frigate
Oh I know. That's why I only did a 13.
Was still an upgrade for once so I wasn't too disappointed.
lone junco
our worst run in a while was HoV grevious/tyr
melted the shit out of that one monday night.
dire spoke
I do my 15 2h before server shut down 🤷🏻
lone junco
rip hyrja
paper mural
I'm wondering if it's beneficial to save vendetta and vanish to always use together, or spam vendetta off cooldown and hold vanish until it lines up
I'm using mantle and bracers
wise frigate
Yeah it was like a what, 50k DPS increase over a 945 dogs neck. At least.
shrewd oriole
@paper mural yeah you always delay vanish for vendetta if you’re playing shoulders
Unless the boss is gonna die
Specially at 1,34 which is 0 additional mass relics
lone junco
you have 0vend?
paper mural
1.37, just checked
lone junco
some days, id like 0. but not gonna rip my relics for lols
paper mural
Ok, so just carry on spamming vendetta off cooldown but hold vanish until it lines up with vendetta
quick talon
7Malch/7BB dream
wise frigate
Mm yeah. That neck pushed me over 2.1mil sims finally.
lone junco
im still like 957
shrewd oriole
Gz dude
@lone junco my goal is for my 890 hunter to be 970 by the end of the next month
wise frigate
965 and here I'll stay unless I get some sick TF luck.
shrewd oriole
:)
At 945 I can join my guilds alt raid
So that’s my first real goal
Alt mythic raid that is
lone junco
ive prob got 964 in my poison stuff.
shrewd oriole
It’s already 928 already after 1 heroic run
It still has a shit load of 870 pieces
And only 1 leggo
LUL
lone junco
hpal is 945 tho. looking good tbh.
jovial vault
I'm at 968 just cause of a few 940s holding me back and cause vanq doesn't drop in my guild
shrewd oriole
Ravenholdt mythic alt run when 🤔
wise frigate
I'm just happy my last alt got 4P finally last night.
jovial kite
never
lone junco
14 rogues?
shrewd oriole
You sure you wanna miss my hunter gameplay jack LUL?
jovial kite
our guild does 2x alt mythics a week and 9/11 within 4 hours
wise frigate
Would be a main run if I showed up 
dire spoke
Tom died on Eonar
"afkd"
wise frigate
Carry me, senpai
dire spoke
8m gold
wise frigate
Meanwhile my Shaman is half resto druid, half Enhance
wise frigate
Not sure how to fix that shit. Been like that since I made the toon. Also has heroic logs from resto.
dire spoke
I just want mounts 🤷🏻
lone junco
I hope I can scumbag my 875 warlock into a normy run soon.
wise frigate
930
shrewd oriole
I should prolly do normal on my hunter then
Got a 955 SSF today
And a 960 argus ring
LUL
lone junco
yeah, i got 940 Tier on pally from lfr.
shrewd oriole
That’s just disgusting
wise frigate
Yeah my shaman has 945 leech tier pants from LFR. And 950 tier cloak from normal.
shrewd oriole
I know ion says that’s not a problem
wise frigate
Why can't I get that kind of TF luck on my rogue.
shrewd oriole
But that’s fucking disgusting
It honestly sickens me that trash players can get such good loot
But that’s just me
shrewd oriole
It’s the thought that matters
Tisumi toph shiennar were kind enough to carry me
Gear and ap are so easy, my problem is just gonna be leggos
weary gate
argus progression 😃 🔫
lone junco
made me lol. I got a shit orange on hpal then bing bing bing a few of the bis. good enough
prime void
@weary gate how many wipes
jovial kite
wish i was young and was progressing argus again
weary gate
one of our members already quit
shrewd oriole
At 100 wipes? Your guild is gonna disband
supple hearth
@weary gate don't tell people to kys tysm xoxo
tender dove
anyone know any outlaw rogue streamer?
shrewd oriole
Wrong channel
lone junco
@tender dove tbh, Ive never seen one since EN
dire spoke
I can stream outlaw for donations
lone junco
would be a funny stream of keypresses.
shrewd oriole
“Fuck gotta reroll guys but I promise next pull is good”
Alternatively
“Fuck the tank isn’t wearing pantheon there goes 10% of my dps”
lone junco
curse ambush 1 4 1 4 1 4 1 4 vanish 4 1 4 1 4 1 4
shrewd oriole
Don’t say that kinda thing in public noobe
The outlaw players might hear you
And come tell you how their rotation is actually complex
lone junco
it is stupid fast.
dire spoke
yeah, the one thing I hated about outlaw was the CP+NRG overcapping
shrewd oriole
Should’ve seen
dire spoke
well CP less commonly
spare cloud
Argus is easy when you soak
shrewd oriole
Jesus Christ
spare cloud
ayyy
shrewd oriole
I’ve never seen so much white since the last time I went to church
turbid harbor
we do farm with alts later in week
weary gate
rofl
dire spoke
@turbid harbor can I join for mount
shrewd oriole
Exactly gotta get full 985 gear cmon
surreal halo
Why is it that when I sim my new relic for single target, taking Poisoned knives as the last trait sims 0.2% higher than gushing wound!?
turbid harbor
i need mount 😡
dire spoke
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE 300
shrewd oriole
Are you a mount farmer zem?
lone junco
i have like 75 mounts, but at least I got the bat dog
dire spoke
yeah ):
turbid harbor
shrewd oriole
@surreal halo how many pk relics do you have
prime void
Why are you complaining about argus when yoh're 100 wipes in
turbid harbor
61 btw
prime void
Like you just started
surreal halo
@shrewd oriole None!
surreal halo
ohhh wow
dire spoke
surreal halo
hahaha
shrewd oriole
I personally would take pk
weary gate
120 after today
shrewd oriole
But are you gonna be bothered to check the API
weary gate
still 2-3/4 to go
dire spoke
G I V E A R G U S S P O T
prime void
2-3/4?
surreal halo
Nah, I can't see myself throwing in a FoK on single target, feels so wrong, even if that makes me a terrible person
shrewd oriole
@plain thistle I found out why I didn’t sim better muting on 2 target, it’s my mastery
weary gate
average wipe count is like 400, so we are like 1/4 out of that
shrewd oriole
I have too little crit and too much mastery
lone junco
ofc
shrewd oriole
@surreal halo just use the gushing wound one then
lone junco
they said it was for exang, but it really is just mut crit
surreal halo
Nice one, cheers @shrewd oriole - Appreciate it!
shrewd oriole
No problem my dude
prime void
I do too.
shrewd oriole
We had way less
prime void
280 -320 id say
shrewd oriole
And I don’t feel like we did particularly amazing on argus
I’d say anything after 350 at this point and you’re an ape
prime void
We're 530 for a multitude of reasons
shrewd oriole
@lone junco Classic tom being toxic
prime void
Just sucks I can collectovely blame a solid 4 people
lone junco
nah, my dyslexic tbh,
shrewd oriole
@prime void the biggest one being you were in 530 times
turbid harbor
what are you wiping to
lone junco
Argus
calm grail
The damage one.
shrewd oriole
Idk different guild
shrewd oriole
Us was chains p4 orbs and fog causing most wipes
Chains cuz shit shaman healer, p4 orbs cuz ranged tunnel, fog cuz shit shaman healer and ranged tunnel
weary gate
i cant wait for what is to come
weary gate
since people get clipped by cone + soulblight combo atm 😄
shrewd oriole
Our gm carried escorting so hard
prime void
@turbid harbor https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p91cxAFrRNKzQqgj/
If youre actually curious
turbid harbor
ty
shrewd oriole
@gusty kestrel wanna do a 15 or nah?
I could chill and do some invas
Don’t mind either way
prime void
What does GM play cutie?
fleet whale
Is the forge fiend's Fabricator good for M+? Inb4 go sub
shrewd oriole
Then you carry me
@fleet whale it’s shit
It’s good on cos 2nd boss
That’s about it
lone junco
trimmed log at 3 deaths. helps people show up that fail first
fleet whale
ah, so I guess I'm better off using fangs and Golganneth's or glaives
lone junco
healers getting wrecked
prime void
I told you
turbid harbor
looking at your good tries it seems like people are dying to everything apart from the edges
shrewd oriole
@gusty kestrel our monks tank 6
With keg smash shoulders
And breath chest
LUL
As a monk?
What a retard
The best tanks are the ones who used to play dps
They understand
shrewd oriole
I mean don’t you also suck at dpsing
vapid moth
Nope. As much as you love to think that
shrewd oriole
vapid moth
Um
shrewd oriole
Talk shit post logs xaethron
vapid moth
You’re not allowed to pull up screenshots from the times you were banned
I’ve posted logs many times
But ok
vapid moth
Please mind the mythic log
My group insists on blowing up annihilation cannon first
turbid harbor
that is a dank eonar log
turbid harbor
if somebody held a gun to my head and forced me to play alliance
i'd probably be female nelf
😄
or that
lone junco
yeah, I found those as well.
shrewd oriole
I picked a random one, your latest aggramar
vapid moth
Why does leeching poison matter
Stresses the healers less having one less person to heal
lone junco
I gotta be cheat death.
shrewd oriole
Leeching: you heal yourself a little bit
lone junco
too bad to use leach
shrewd oriole
For purely helping healer elusive is better
Feinting during aggra transition etc etc
vapid moth
When did tisume say “only orange log”. Did toms screenshot catch some shade I missed
vapid moth
Darn
turbid harbor
yea what if you want to run through storm on coven to dot the other ad
and cloak is down
need cheat death to go full monkey
vapid moth
Chances are I’m using shadowstep
quick talon
unlucky
lone junco
I was fishing through yourlogs to see that Eonar. and saw a really good arcane mage. was like OOOO. turns out it was my logs, and our raid arcane mage.
turbid harbor
cuck sin spec only had one shadowstep
quick talon
for better logs
vapid moth
Lmao noobe
I’m proud of the coven log as much as youllshit on me for the fucked up opener
spare cloud
I'm grey on argus mythic 
spare cloud
I was soaking p3
turbid harbor
you mean for titanforging?
lone junco
👌
spare cloud
I was playing buyer
turbid harbor
yikes
spare cloud
Not account playing
shrewd oriole
@lone junco is that an opener
vapid moth
No the crit was just that good
quick talon
looks like a well timed tb/kb mid fight
turbid harbor
sin is pretty good last phase tho 😄
vapid moth
If that’s an opener I’ll take myself out of discord
lone junco
nah. mid block.
spare cloud
Yeah ik but it was my first time on boss
literally my first and only try
and we didnt have much time left
so why not send me down to avoid a wipe by random new guy
vapid moth
It’s cause rogues get shit done
lone junco
some
vapid moth
Unless you my guild mate rogue who comes to raid night and never logs on otherwise
He get a 960 or so head the other day. That hurt
lone junco
yeh, ours doesnt do ANY m+. nothing. So fully raid geared
dire spoke
could be me
spare cloud
I was scammed out of a 980 head today
vapid moth
Scammed?
vapid moth
No no that’s very much a scam
dire spoke
I got 980 pants
vapid moth
Who was it that told the story of the druid tank getting the 985 gear instead of the dps
astral sundial
so for all them people who don't use shoulders - going to try AHC mythic soon, aren't shoulders insane once aoe comes into consideration?
vapid moth
Yes
spare cloud
shrewd oriole
If you get lucky, sure
vapid moth
Shoulders just for the 5 cp envenom from fok
weary gate
@prime void if it makes you feel any better there is a guild on my server that has 600 wipes on argus
spare cloud
actually his guild
vapid moth
Was a half joke. I love 5 cp envenom cause of fok
spare cloud
vapid moth
I’ll have a better guild next xpac
The judgement was never passed guys
Bad rogue or no?
lone junco
blue/purp. def best dps in your guild.
vapid moth
Purple. Aggramar is just bullsht when you get yelled at for focusing the ad that isn’t being focused
Have vendetta up every time at that monent
But have to save it for 20 more seconds
lone junco
some sloppy TB work, but i guss overall B
dire spoke
new ID started and I'm already bored
lone junco
@shrewd oriole this open crit string of mine was pretty nice. rest of the fight was shit.
turbid harbor
im not even going to be here for main raid this week
dire spoke
@turbid harbor I'll take your spot
because Tisumi is a shitter
he's rude
and
yeah
turbid harbor
mmm
dire spoke
👺
lone junco
yeah.
APL has you hit it on open and at 3min, but i think thats dumb
I only use vanish with vendetta, so it goes off at 5 sec and 4min 5 sec.
lone junco
yeah. on use is just ONCD
it only matters on 6min fights but yeah.
tbh it doesnt do shit for bleed anyway
vapid moth
True
tacit bay
o god bois I need someone who wants to look at logs and flame give constructive criticism to a starting out rogue who used to be ok at another class
I feel bad with how bad I am
spare cloud
post
tacit bay
I know
vapid moth
Open with mutilate
spare cloud
thats how it works
spare cloud
okay
spare cloud
link then
tacit bay
me bad
tacit bay
look at any/all fights helps me more
of any week
since at this point I read guide and still have no idea
tacit bay
ye I realised I kind of fucked them up before I wanted to care about this char
xd
but still that cant be it
spare cloud
You dont have 4set?
tacit bay
I do ye
turbid harbor
you're casting a lot of ruptures during tb
lone junco
Garothi is ok Varith is ok, Coven could use work.
your Garoth is above sim avg for sure.
tacit bay
im still not clear about that is the aim to put off TB refresh rupture and then only envenom during TBs?
spare cloud
im blind
turbid harbor
you want to be casting envenom during tb
lone junco
2,124,560.0 961
turbid harbor
because it buffs nature dmg
lone junco
thats plenty
turbid harbor
you want your dots to be refreshed before if needed
tacit bay
ye so I hold TB to refresh rupture?
turbid harbor
no you refresh rupture before tb
spare cloud
No
turbid harbor
don't hold tb
spare cloud
If you have those shitty timings then you should be able to get it into tb
and still get 2 evenoms
vapid moth
You wanna refresh 5pt rupter at 7 but yeah
turbid harbor
but you may as well just refresh before
and get 3 envenoms
instead of refreshing during and getting 2
you can rupture at like 10-11s and it's not the end of the world
tacit bay
ok and when am I using TB that is what I suck ass at
like can I do it after an envenom?
should I be doing it on 3 combo points to then envenom
or what
tacit bay
so never envemon and then TB?
astral sundial
I think it's even worth to TB and 5 cp, then envenom
spare cloud
Yeah but that doesnt happen
tacit bay
oh ok so that is one thing I can learn now
spare cloud
You cant get 5 cp before tb if you spend right
tacit bay
I goofed that up
spare cloud
If you have 0 cp and mutilate crits
just tb evenom
If you have 5 cp
you did smth wrong
because you couldve delayed the mutilate
astral sundial
maybe I refresh garrote then muti crit 😃
spare cloud
Yeah
why would you do that
you see tb is coming up
you have more than 5 secs on rupture
*garotte
so you can mutilate tb evenom
If mutilate doesnt crit at all then you can
mutilate tb garotte
evenom
so you have 4 cp
astral sundial
I guess I should be more careful with that as well, thanks ^^
tacit bay
ok so anything else painfulyl obviously horrible?
dire spoke
@gusty kestrel ❤
lone junco
Eew
tacit bay
not gunna lie but also how to use KB vendetta vanish at 30%
like I dont know what im to hold when
spare cloud
Vendetta on cd
Kb should line up automatically with correct relics
if not then you can delay if you dont lose a cast
if you lose a cast then dont delay
tb goes into vendetta anyways
most of the time
Vanish also delayed for vendetta
dire spoke
Every third TB is going to align with KB aswell
lone junco
Or play exang. Can't mess that up. I mean you can. But it's really easy.
I'm kidding. Don't play bleed. It is trash and hard to gear for.
tacit bay
ok so TB is off CD as long as envenom after refresh dots before same with KB, vendetta on Cd and Vanish saved for Vendetta?
spare cloud
If you lose a cast of vanish then you can vanish out of vendetta as well
but in that case you need to time correctly so the cast you dont lose goes into vendetta
which is very hard
so avoid that
doesnt matter if you vanish midfight in short fights save for 30%
unless they line up and still are ready
ofc
dire spoke
it doesn't hurt if you do something like env > mut > KB > rup ... just try to not refresh rupture when KB uptime is below 10s
spare cloud
Wat
tacit bay
how about pooling energy because everyone talks about that but the guide asys nothing. basically I should be saving energy only for when either TB or KB will be up soon?
spare cloud
I mean the guide talks about evenom usage and such
so that kinda says you should pool to make that happen
You dont wanna cap though
What zempai said is not necessarely correct though
sorry bro
tacit bay
ye I find myself in situations where I want to pool but then lets say I envenom and mutli and it crits then 4 CP and high energy so have to overcap the surge of toxins debuff or cap
for example
spare cloud
If you have to refresh rupture in kingsbane
tacit bay
you fucked it?
spare cloud
and if you lose evenom uptime anyways
make sure you refresh rupture at 4.9 seconds or less
so you get the sot buff for the last tick of kb
What zempai said is correct if you can do it without losing evenom uptime though
it happens sometimes and you cant avoid it
if you have like 4 seconds of evenom buff left after refresh rupture
youre good to get enough cp
again
to keep it up
tacit bay
I think I understand what im bad at defo didnt know about that TB usage
and my relics they are bad you say x( do I need Vendetta cd on all?
tacit bay
ah ok so I defo need to get 1 then basically
dire spoke
2 is shitty alignment too
spare cloud
like poison dmg
dire spoke
come play pubg topf
dire spoke
tacit bay
stupid question for but example my vari
do you think I actually keep rupture up too much?
at the cost of envemons maybe
envenoms
wide bolt
Do you mean are you refreshing rupture to early?
tacit bay
ah ok I thought you want to sac it sometimes to envenom etc
wide bolt
Cause you cant really keep rupture up "too much"
tacit bay
nah I misunderstood the guide which said 95% is fine
dire spoke
@tacit bay try doing the rotation without rupture once and you will see
spare cloud
95 is because you cant avoid it sometimes
tacit bay
ye I know its big energy regen Idk what I was thinking just sometimes get really bad timings
probably spam myself into them
vapid moth
Yawn
tacit bay
well thanks for the helps bois as always
vapid moth
Remember to open with Mutilate
spare cloud
Ban him
vapid moth
Lmfao
tacit bay
let ya boi troll its cool
dire spoke
he's just salty because his mate is a better rogue
tacit bay
you don't cast toxic blade that many times without some rubbing off on you
vapid moth
Zempai don't disrespect me like that
shrewd oriole
LUL
spare cloud
Also I can't give advice anymore
vapid moth
Rio lmao
spare cloud
Sorry boomtastic
shrewd oriole
at least u dont give wrong advice
spare cloud
ignore everything i said
vapid moth
Opening with Mutilate is brilliant advice. Fuck you mean
spare cloud
Argus is boring though
wide bolt
I'm assuming youre talking mythic
dire spoke
aggra progress tomorrow again
wide bolt
Been on Agg progress for 3-4 weeks now
spare cloud
Not as boring as aggrammar
wide bolt
Not a happy rogue
vapid moth
What is hc
spare cloud
/rage
wide bolt
Least their are mechanincs to pay attention too that arent just blood dk grips and soak or run away
spare cloud
Well dodging flames and intermission is sometimes hasty
prime void
Id say agg is way more boring
spare cloud
But not really hard
vapid moth
That was a serious question btw. Been wondering what hc meant for weeks
spare cloud
its like you sometimes have to away from the mob because of blast and flame coming at weird positions
wide bolt
hc = heroic
spare cloud
but thats not really hard to dodge just annoying
vapid moth
Hm.
wide bolt
Whats even better is when flare is seconds from going out and ranged die somehow meaing melee have to bait them too 🙃
plain thistle
dead channel, luls
spare cloud
Jhon do you want smth to do
spare cloud
Look at my argus log
prime void
I thought you just got to argus toph
spare cloud
astral sundial
anyone got a clue how does EP compares to MP during AoE? I would assume MP is much stronger but wants to make sure since it seems EP is a single target increase for me atm.
plain thistle
hmmm, getting carried then? 😂
MP will be better for AoE because most of our Aoe is poison
specially for high number of targets, where you dont garrote/rupture at all
T21 4p energy with a lot of targets is enough
prime void
:0
plain thistle
wow
astral sundial
@prime void I played with my talents a bit and it turns out insignia boots is now my best setup XD - you paved the way man
prime void
❤
lone junco
Nah. Tyra is the insig prophet.
shrewd oriole
@gusty kestrel think I'm going bm on my hunter
prime void
Tyra is never around
shrewd oriole
till I get 2p tos
prime void
:(
shrewd oriole
and leggos
plain thistle
holy shit, calm down chat, cant read that fast
lone junco
Legit the first person to be like. "Look at my 100 with insig"
prime void
Marks or bm burst ?
prime void
😂
plain thistle
MM is super fun for AoE, cant say the same for single target 🤷
spare cloud
I had 2 rages in p1
didnt get any buff except first
feelsbad
Would you rather see those parses
as bm
or as survival
lone junco
I don't really care about parses. Just dps performance.
spare cloud
Yeah I dont parse, I perform
spare cloud
I'm a raidmember I was just at a break in the beginning of the content
eager hearth
Cuts out difficulty on parses 🤔
spare cloud
But it feels like leeching
Same thing happened to me on coven
But dont we all want what we dont have?
I wish I would be able to get my university stuff without learning as much as I am
Sucks to be stupid
tribal frigate
is there a any mythic+ guides for assasination rogues?
spare cloud
No because most top m+ rogues play sub
But you basically do the same as in raid
spam fok and evenom
and keep your uptimes
scarlet jacinth
i think logs were updated a bit ago that ur logs xfer with u now
austere tendon
@tribal frigate
guide would legit be... Learn timers betweeen boss pulls to know how many vanish / vendetta CD's you can use
The rest is the basics of how many rupiture you spread, how many targets till you FoK, blah blah blah
primal tangle
Do people play WoW other than for raiding or M+? Because I'm bored currently have nothing to do
austere tendon
Wow is all about Tmog and mount farming.
primal tangle
I miss MoP where you could farm something
austere tendon
we raid so we can farm mounts faster?? 🤔
primal tangle
True
austere tendon
I just play other games. Guild killed M Argus, now I just do M+, push high keys and play different games.
tribal frigate
i know the rotations but just want to know what should i do when boos is casting. for example which situation that i shuld use cloak, like that
spare cloud
Well thats very situational knowledge
because it depends on your group setup, the level the key is
also on the affixes
cant cover all that in a guide
austere tendon
If you already dont know which boss to use what, then you need to do more M+
spare cloud
Thats bullshit
austere tendon
bosses have certain mechanics you can Evade
spare cloud
If you dont know any better you will just play everything wrong again and again
austere tendon
so your Shadowstep 2 sec evasion will help you take no dmg.
spare cloud
Doing smth more often is always bad advice other than if its not fixable by repetition practice
austere tendon
e.g. General's slam from Arc, 2nd last boss of BRH charge, 1st boss of Eye's Spear
lone junco
Yeah. We've been doing instances wrong for like a year.
austere tendon
Evade the aoe dmg from last boss of CoS.
that is just evasion... just imagine listing off all the things you can cloak....
or Cheat death...
or Vanish...
spare cloud
Noobe stop memeing you know thats not how I mean it
lone junco
I'm not meeming.
austere tendon
niether?
spare cloud
You are not wrong though
austere tendon
what are you wanting to know??
tribal frigate
yah agree
austere tendon
like legit, if its something I can actually answer I will... my rogue is like.. 4.2K?
and I play both Subt and Sin for high keys.
lone junco
We just pull shit small packs. Didn't worry about efficiency until we were trying for higher keys.
spare cloud
You should just learn all the mechanics in the dungeons you need to know
lone junco
Mostly cause loot didn't matter over cap. But now that we are chasing 20s, stuff matters.
spare cloud
if you know the mechanics then you can try to optimize your cd usage depending your group setup
austere tendon
no, you should learn all the mechanics. Tank mechanics, healer mechanics, ranged dps mechanics.
spare cloud
sometimes you dont need to use cloak on specific timings then yo usave it for something else
austere tendon
dont be lazy. dont just learn your own mechanics.
spare cloud
Thats what you need to know means?
austere tendon
if you dont know what your whole group needs to deal with, then you can't just push higher keys.
primal tangle
tbh
lone junco
Good guide tho. https://questionablyepic.com/mythic-plus/
@tribal frigate Specifically re opener. Remember not to fuck with garrote or rupture in the shoulders. Mut env mut env. Etc.
austere tendon
to be fair though. Sin is very rough on higher M+. I pretty much only run it for Upper and sometimes Tyrannical Eye (if we already have enough aoe)
oh and sometimes Nelths.... if we dont have a perma slow class and reaaalllyy desperate . and for the memes.
spare cloud
can be good for tyrannical hovs as well
astral sundial
@austere tendon could you elaborate why? I only did fairly low keys so far (15-18) and was happy with the comparative damage I was doing
austere tendon
reason is that you need guarantee big dmg on higher keys. if you want to make it in time, you need to pulls big and dump huge amounts of dmg. Subt can provide that through the use of buffing Trinkets / Shoulders. Sin CAN do that but your Bag needs to proc.
spare cloud
Not really
austere tendon
without the proc, you still do some decent dmg, however, it wont be the same.
spare cloud
Depends on what aoe youre talking
Big pulls yes but on 2-3 cleave
assa can do better than sub even
austere tendon
I am talking about 23+ keys
spare cloud
without big proccs
austere tendon
on 2-3 target cleaves, sure Sin can do just as well
astral sundial
I actually thought it's the other way around (well, not thinking poison bomb procs)
on many targets I can never run out of energy
lone junco
There are a few sin rogues in the m+ tourney. Not many tho.
spare cloud
Yeah but you do no dmg
hardy pewter
but you have nothing to do with energy
austere tendon
you dont run out of energy with Subt either on massive Aoe.
lone junco
One Prob with sin pb is kiting movement.
austere tendon
since Storm /Evis Storm Evis is a net positive consumption.
lone junco
Depends if glaives or not.
astral sundial
I see
lone junco
An hitting a specific mob for 30m is huge.
austere tendon
if you have to kite the mobs, Sin's PB gets wasted so hard.
Subt lets you blow up 1 priority target too.
plus shorter Vanish which lines up with glaives.
spare cloud
Sin can be good if you have like bolstering and need dmg on more than one target
though
*preferable
austere tendon
since your DFA wont actually 1 shot a mob. and yu can focus down higher health targets.
yeah for sure.
lone junco
@austere tendon sub: lower, first pull after opera. Seems that dfa pulls extra shit when you jump through the roof. Is this my imagination?
spare cloud
Yes
spare cloud
probably smth else
austere tendon
now that you mention it..
spare cloud
Can you even jump through the roof there?
austere tendon
that has happened once. but we thought it was our boomkin's Starfall or something
lone junco
Oh yeah. Way out of the building. I see the gy
spare cloud
After opere there is the small passag
austere tendon
i didnt even think DFA was a possibility
spare cloud
e
lone junco
Going down the ramp.
spare cloud
But I don't think dfa puts you in the other position
but actually thinking about it
it puts maiden orbs on a different position as well
might be a possibility then
Sorry for judging 🤷
lone junco
TBH. I think it is just the stuff around the corner up the ladder.
lone junco
But I don't do much lower. Could be normal
lone junco
I've only done Lower like 20 times.
austere tendon
the amount of times I forget about how easy it is to fall through the ground using DFA....
lone junco
Maw. EoA worms. EoA last.
spare cloud
I hate the fact that it resets your camera if you do something remotely close to the corners of the room
you fart being near the left side
camera zooms in
lone junco
Shoulder belt dfa would be fun on odyn.
I've been sin for a long time now. Should give it a go for reals.
spare cloud
I played belt in the beginning of kj progress 🤷
primal tangle
All of maw with dfa is just terrible
spare cloud
didnt have anything better because reroll though
lone junco
It's like 25-30% dmg on odyn.
austere tendon
good times... hahahah
lone junco
I held 3.8m for a while.
astral sundial
so when playing EP - what is worse, overriding it a bit or letting it fall for a bit?
austere tendon
if I remember, you want to not let it fall off between Envenoms... to buff it's dmg.
but from Envenom to rupture, you can let it fall off.
it has been a while though. but I believe I am not wrong?
astral sundial
from my expreince with SoT I can actually just try to keep it up close to 100%?
spare cloud
You dont want to drop it when stuff happens basically
austere tendon
^
spare cloud
Like dont drop it on last kb tick
for example
and between evenoms
as scrub rogue said
austere tendon
since it buffs your dmg straight up, you just want to not override it too early, but not let it fall off.
I am for 0.5 -0.2 sec (depending on ping)
austere tendon
if you set up a WA to really easily tell how much time you have left, you can clip it really well.
spare cloud
If you see that you are struggling with energy for example
astral sundial
I am using notters WA and it tracks it well enough
austere tendon
just a straight up text buff time tracker will be good enough. set it on 0.01 Decimal
spare cloud
You could delay a little for the next toxic blade
austere tendon
or 0.1
lone junco
Ep is very easy. Env is very easy. There is a little bit of overlap during Kb to worry about.
austere tendon
Sin is all about those small min-max of Surge / EP / Envenom buffs
indigo idol
btw a question to the bleed rota: do i env with 2/3 cps just to refresh ep?
austere tendon
assuming you know the basics of Sin like how to use TB and KB and such.
lone junco
Tbh. I will occasionally refresh rupture ate 3cp mid Kb If necessary. Esp if you have a 4cp env right behind it. .
astral sundial
if you mean keeping envenom and SoT up then ye sure - frankly I never had a situation where it seemed worth it to delay TB for KB last ticks, but I could be wrong
austere tendon
I only Delay TB during KB if TB comes off CD after I cast KB.
indigo idol
is that an answer to my question? xd
austere tendon
so the TB runs on the last 9 sec of KB.
lone junco
@indigo idol your q came in as I was typing. Lol. I wouldn't 2cp anything.
austere tendon
@indigo idol far as I know, you wouldnt want to.
lone junco
3cp env is really awful.
astral sundial
ye but everyone also says "don't delay more then 5 seconds"...it's such a niche case
spare cloud
No its really not
indigo idol
dunno.. im not used to ep
lone junco
But I ran a full apl with 3cp ruptures. And it was a very minor loss. If you think you need it. Based on e, cp gen. It's not horrible.
spare cloud
Just ask yourself the question
Is kb ready?
If it is ready
delay for 9 secs
if its not ready
tb
austere tendon
yeah it happens about 30% of the time for me
but sometimes I can go through the whole fight never having to delay TB.
spare cloud
You shouldnt lose a cast of it in most fights
even if you its probably worth it
or at least not a large loss
austere tendon
you also have to consider if your KB is going to be garbage......
lone junco
@indigo idol typ bleed. Don't mut at 4. Unless it is the actual 6cp exang.
spare cloud
You can play around that most of the time
austere tendon
sometimes you can do something dumb and KB when you wont have good uptime on envenom...
then it really doesnt matter when you TB... kek.
lone junco
95% ep is a good target
astral sundial
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/85JQ7hNDbJtr6z9dhov6x2/simc in this simul the kingsbane is pitful
indigo idol
yea but i cant reach it at all the max i reach is 80%
astral sundial
6.9%
spare cloud
Considering tb cd then you should delay tb for max. 25 seconds over a whole fight
indigo idol
but i gotta max the potential of the eps
spare cloud
You can do it whenever you want if you can time the rest correctly
spare cloud
in theory you could delay it 19 seconds once for a vendetta vanish
but not delay the whole fight at all
ofc that wont happen at all
paper mural
Hey guys, can someone check over these logs?
I did bloody awful. Just wondering if anyone can spot anything incredibly stupid that I'm doing
spare cloud
nice relics
kappa
try to replace that spring relic
dont mutilate after rupture
you get 5 cp with tb kb anyways
civic palm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
The problem there is that you risk losing the critical damage from Kingsbane, which is more than MUT IIRC.
paper mural
Aye, I generally don't, not sure why I did there
spare cloud
civic palm
Nope MUT is more DMG disregard.
civic palm
aka don't refresh Garrote and Rupture during Kingsbane duration unless you can keep up ENV buff.
spare cloud
https://gyazo.com/58bd69f1e3fadb66452e7899436fceab not a good toxic blade
try to get 2+ evenoms into every toxic blade
paper mural
The changes I've made since this log are trying to refresh garrote at under 4 seconds and rupture under 7 seconds. Allowing me to use env more often
Cool
tacit bay
bet you miss me now xd
spare cloud
the kingsbane is close to alright
You shouldnt have to cast mutilate after the kingsbane
to get evenom
you should either have evenom buff up from before kingsbane
or use it right in the next gcd after casting kb
marble hemlock
paper mural
Ok, thank you
paper mural
I'm really struggling to push on my parses. Last night and today I spent far too many hours totally scrapping my UI and setting up weak auras. I'm gonna run another heroic tonight and see how that goes
spare cloud
if you fix that kb issue alone you should see a noticeble increase
paper mural
Ok
spare cloud
same with toxic blade issue
paper mural
So in short, make sure I'm not spamming mut after kb to get env
spare cloud
No you need to make sure that your envenom buff is up at the correct time
in any ways possible
paper mural
Ok
spare cloud
same for the sot uptime
and you need to make sure that you get more evenoms into your toxic blade windows
paper mural
If I were at 3cp and noticed the buff was about to fall off. Should I wait and try to get to 4/5cp then get the buff or just drop env to refresh the buff?