assassination

[shrewd oriole]

a run

[frank zephyr]

what realm

[shrewd oriole]

12:30 gmt

[dire spoke]

EU

[shrewd oriole]

whats your ilvl?

my answer depends on your answer

[frank zephyr]

over 9000

[shrewd oriole]

13:30 server time

I PROMISE

[dire spoke]

maybe iwin and slack are on around noon too

[eager hearth]

Is it just me or mythic imonar parry a shit ton lol

[shrewd oriole]

most of us stand behind the boss

idk

[eager hearth]

predictable answer

[dire spoke]

because it's correct

🤷🏻

[cold compass]

Hey all, new to this discord (and second week returning since wotlk) - I was looking https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/ruinxaxa and found that he goes subterfuge on all fights. The assassination guide says nightstalker edges out in poison build

[dire spoke]

it's because simulations and/or boss fights tell you what build/gear-set you should play with your available gear

[cold compass]

It says "Same goes with tier 30. But with T21 4 piece NS should pull ahead regardless." saying that he has 4 piece on - should that not mean he would ideally be night stalker?

Might just be player preference but just trying to understand as I got about making decisions

[dire spoke]

the guide is built around a sample gear-set which mostly suits players gearing up

[cold compass]

Ahh GOT IT! sorry i completely misunderstood your comment 😃

[hazy tiger]

Anyone know where i can find trinket sims? I just got a 930 Frond with a socket

[dire spoke]

on herodamage

[slim estuary]

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[slim estuary]

@hazy tiger

[dire spoke]

you can also run a gear comparsion on raidbots.com

[hazy tiger]

@slim estuary Thanks !

[cold compass]

@dire spoke Thanks for the insight 😃

[slim estuary]

EOC or fang or you're dreamin

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c63f9458a388686bbcc6b7ed72a56e31/tenor.gif?itemid=9940070

[shrewd oriole]

@plain thistle dps loss for me

[plain thistle]

mut or fok?

[safe matrix]

@shrewd oriole if thats you in your profile picture

you look like ethan from h3h3

but younger

[dire spoke]

and smaller

[shrewd oriole]

@plain thistle

[plain thistle]

the first is fok and the second is mut?

[shrewd oriole]

ye

no

opposite

[plain thistle]

hmm

[shrewd oriole]

the first is mut the second is fok

@safe matrix it's not me it's our MT lo

he dared me to change my pic to something more attractive than the butt

[dire spoke]

my vers is higher than my crit

*weight

feelsbadman

[shrewd oriole]

what the fuck

how much crit do u have

[dire spoke]

35

[shrewd oriole]

shoulders bracers?

[dire spoke]

yeah

[shrewd oriole]

damn

literally just simmed mine

p close

[dire spoke]

https://snag.gy/h5JWUX.jpg

I'm in a weird place right now

[shrewd oriole]

that can be solved

by getting more mastery

solves all my problems

[dire spoke]

lol

I actually could add a mastery socket instead of crit

[shrewd oriole]

do it

[zenith cloak]

if my rupture has like 7 seconds left till it falls off and KB also has 7 seconds should i refresh rupture or instead envenom, let my rupture fall off and then re apply with my next muti into finisher

[shrewd oriole]

what's the time left

on envenom buff

[zenith cloak]

it just happened where envenom buff was like 4 seconds

[shrewd oriole]

can do a 3 cp envenom to keep up the buff

[zenith cloak]

like is it more important to keep the rupture up or to do as much with KB during its window

[shrewd oriole]

KB

[zenith cloak]

okcool thanks

[grim canopy]

does outlaw overall do more aoe than sin?

[smoky tulip]

it's consistent aoe right?

[shrewd oriole]

no

and no

[grim canopy]

oo ok

[shrewd oriole]

well, no and sorta

[grim canopy]

does artifact lvl after 77 make any difference

[smoky tulip]

PB has 12.5% to proc with 5 cps right?

[shrewd oriole]

@grim canopy decent dps increase

[grim canopy]

oh damn

[shrewd oriole]

@smoky tulip yes

it's p small tho

the dps increase that it

[grim canopy]

how much do u have

[shrewd oriole]

79

[dire spoke]

12'400

with 80

[zenith cloak]

where can i find the opener using boots wrist and NS

[smoky tulip]

I got all my artifacts to 75, now dumping the rest in to Sin as thats my main spec

[dire spoke]

@zenith cloak does NS sim higher than Subt for you?

[smoky tulip]

I'll just keep dumping in to Sin until 8.0 comes out

[zenith cloak]

it sims a little higher but i'm not used to the subt playstyle so iiiii'd rather stick with ns while i wait for shoulders to drop

[smoky tulip]

NS is exclusively used for shoulders right? Otherwise you useSubter?

[civic palm]

ez Normal -

[shrewd oriole]

NS is significantly stronger with shoulder yes

[dire spoke]

🤷🏻

[zenith cloak]

is 4k dps even worth swapping my playstyle while waiting for shoulders do u think?

i say no but if u think i should learn subt then ill swap it

[dire spoke]

@zenith cloak check what the APL does in your simulation

[shrewd oriole]

it's not that big of a change mate

[civic palm]

If 4k is less than .5% of your DPS then it would not matter either way

[dire spoke]

miz

[civic palm]

👋 Mythic reclear/prog with a bunch of people taking a breaaaaaaaaaaaak 🔫

[dire spoke]

re-progress always fun

gladly we lock a toon ID in case we're to stupid

(mostly it's the case)

[prime void]

https://i.imgur.com/ieQc3Uu.png

you guys like my 2k ms opener ?

[dire spoke]

is it IQ400 time again

[prime void]

no lol

I cant raid on this net kek

[dire spoke]

break up with that woman

[prime void]

lmfao

Nice edit

[dire spoke]

I'm tired

we had aggra 35%

[prime void]

:(((

@shrewd oriole https://i.imgur.com/qAxOCrO.png always haste

[dire spoke]

):

did you see my mythic chest pants?

[summer moon]

2k dmg coven mitic todavía

[dire spoke]

🤔

[summer moon]

Too bad? 1 kill

[dire spoke]

you mean 2m

[summer moon]

Y

[dire spoke]

why does it matter? it's progress

[summer moon]

Y

Second melee dmg

[plain thistle]

2m? thats probably low for sin

[summer moon]

970 equip

[prime void]

doesnt change it being low

[summer moon]

I sim 2,2k single

U can see my log and help

me?

[dire spoke]

why don't you open up logs and look how other rogues did

[summer moon]

Junius

I should

[dire spoke]

Better parses did 2 ruptures and had FoK range pretty sure

• more PB proccs

so why does it matter to you on first kill progress

[plain thistle]

that fight is all about maintaining rupture on both bosses while not fucking tb-kb-vendetta

😄

[summer moon]

I only focus 1

I think

[plain thistle]

thats why you did 2m

[summer moon]

Next time i Will try Focus rupture 5p

[dire spoke]

[plain thistle]

5p?

[summer moon]

Cp

[plain thistle]

4+ cp

[dire spoke]

t w o

t a r g e t s

[plain thistle]

🤔

[summer moon]

Ok and need aply posions both targets too?

[strange python]

mfw crossrealm mythic

[plain thistle]

yes, rupture + deadly poison as much as possible

use shadowstep and sprint for that

[void pecan]

Let me see your face when they did xrealm

Please.

[dire spoke]

when xrealm hits live you know you're guild is shit if you haven't cleared

[strange python]

live in NA and my main guild was really salted

[dire spoke]

at least we can recruit a tank now without transfer needed

[strange python]

cant wait for a pug argus kill

🤔

[summer moon]

Knows a guide assassination to mit+?

[dire spoke]

hope for poison bombs

rupture 2-3 targets that live long

hope for poison bombs

fan of knives

hope for poison bombs

[summer moon]

Its all

Im thinking going 2 t20

[steep obsidian]

dropping shoulders for m+ isnt a good idea for trash

[summer moon]

Weeks without tyranical

[steep obsidian]

and 4p is amazing so running 2p2p is silly

yeah sure if you hae a set that works better on bosses nothing stopping you from changing gear that is just min maxing

[plain thistle]

never, T21 4p is amazing for mythic plus

while T20 is not

because you dont garrote that much in aoE

[steep obsidian]

maybe 4p2p on bosses might be good on high keys /shrug

i personally wouldnt bother

[summer moon]

I wanted 4t21 2t20

[tranquil birch]

what was amazing for m+ was opening with fok with ns talented before anyone realized there was a bug there

[summer moon]

Best Trinkets in pulls?

[verbal pebble]

hows unstable arcanocrystal

[dire spoke]

if you have no trinket it's pretty decent

[supple hearth]

Aka not good for rogue

Also check pinned resources

!trinkets

[chrome tusk]

List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

[supple hearth]

@verbal pebble

[dire spoke]

giggle

[supple mesa]

Are there people willing to help you read logs here?

Or tell me what i did so wrong on a fight if i link the log

[safe matrix]

If you link the log people will probably get around to it

[supple mesa]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bX4vxwYtz8dTPBWh#fight=20&type=damage-done&source=23

[honest needle]

whats the weakaura people use for mythic eonar that calls out groups to go to ship n stuff

I cant find it

[plain thistle]

1s

[safe matrix]

Or if no ones around link the logs and ask again later

I'm on my phone so I can't do much rn

[supple mesa]

Alright, thank you in advance to whomever decides to help me; also thank you for thereply liavre.

[plain thistle]

ops

thats KJ xd

[safe matrix]

Yeah I think this is a dead hour for Europeans

[plain thistle]

https://wago.io/rkyLUGtbM

[safe matrix]

There's a lot of good European players that frequent this channel

[plain thistle]

@honest needle

[honest needle]

ya but how do u set up groups for ship

with angry assignments to make it work

so u can call out which 4 people u want to go in 1st ship

and so on

Im trying to figure out how to edit it

[manic vigil]

[plain thistle]

you just use angry assignments or exorsus raid tool

and call the groups

🤷

[grim canopy]

so wtf my tank is confusing my pb for necrotic and running everyhting out

err sanguin

[steep obsidian]

no he isnt

or did they change it?

tanks can't see pb

[grim canopy]

ok good

[steep obsidian]

you can only see it in pvp pre this patch

i havent played this patch though so maybe they changed it?

if they did thats a good change

tanks just gotta get used to it

[safe matrix]

I mean this week is shit for sin

[shadow talon]

What's the best sequence to use when vanish is available, and if i have gnawed thumb ring, when do i use it with opener to get the best dps output?

[safe matrix]

Because with necrotic and sanguine, they're going to be kitinf

[grim canopy]

true but slowed

[dire spoke]

it's not necrotic

[grim canopy]

at least some dmg

[safe matrix]

It is

[steep obsidian]

it is necrotic

[safe matrix]

It's necrotic on live

[steep obsidian]

affixes were changed

[safe matrix]

For na

[steep obsidian]

yeh

[grim canopy]

i like slowin monsters with cripplin

[safe matrix]

Probably bad for this week

Cause slowing through sanguine?

Yikes

[steep obsidian]

do you really kill one mob at a time with sanguine?

I always try and deal with it like bolstering unless there is a really dangerious mob

[grim canopy]

oo shit oops then

[plain thistle]

argus 3%, fml

😦

[regal tundra]

😦

[plain thistle]

410 wipes so far 😦

😦

we could have killed it last week, when we got a 7% try

but no, let ress 3 seconds before the call and wipe the raid over and over again (suicide part)

[jovial kite]

i thought u were 11/11

[grim canopy]

so what poisong u use

[plain thistle]

nah, 10/11 , progressing argus for over a month now

we raid 10h/week

[steep obsidian]

how many guilds are just stopping after 1 kill?

[plain thistle]

sometimes less, because internet in brazil isnt the best in the world 😂

HAHAHA

[steep obsidian]

seems motivationt o farm mounts is stupid low this tier

[plain thistle]

😄 🔫

[steep obsidian]

😐

[jovial kite]

we've cleared every week since except after one week when we had a break

[grim canopy]

jajaja*

[plain thistle]

heuhuehue*

[grim canopy]

o

[full sandal]

anyone has a good guide on how to fuckign use kingsbane?

!kingsbane

[plain thistle]

on cd, and save energy for it

because you want 100% envenom uptime during kb

[full sandal]

but someone told me something about not usgin rupture

[plain thistle]

well, rupture during KB is not ideal because it will be hard to keep the envenom buff

[full sandal]

so you want to have rupture as fresh as possible right?

ok and ill save energy

thx for the advice

[plain thistle]

np 😛

[strange python]

literally watching my old guild slowly fall apart on stream

yike

[supple mesa]

Thought you wanted 100% uptime on surge od toxins not wnvenom

[steep obsidian]

it obv your fault for leaving notbory

[fervent beacon]

@supple mesa env now with T21 iirc. Could be wrong but that's how I see it.

[cold compass]

Hey all - anyone have suggestions on weakaura addons to track assassination dots?

[steep obsidian]

there is a set in the guide in the pins up top

and a whole bunch on wago.io you can look at

[strange python]

Do we use boots on any of the Antorus fights? I don't have wrists or shoulders currently.

[safe matrix]

yep

boots are pretty viable

[strange python]

Ahh good good 😃

[safe matrix]

there are ike 3 or 4 legendary combinations that are top tier

as always, sim yourself and find out

[strange python]

Lol, saying boots are only like 15k of an upgrade 😛

prydaz and boots it is

[cold compass]

@steep obsidian THanks 😄

[chilly marsh]

agrammar fucking down]

finally

[plain thistle]

gratz 😄

[chilly marsh]

460 wipes man....

150 because range cant do the flare...

in phase 3...

[supple mesa]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bX4vxwYtz8dTPBWh#fight=20&type=damage-done&source=23 posting this log again incsse anyone is able to review and tell me what i did so wrong on this pull. 😔

[safe matrix]

one thing is you generally shouldn't be refreshing bleed during KB/TB

just cause garrote takes a lot of energy to cast especially in TB

and refreshing rupture makes it harder to keep envenom up 100% for KB

try to not let envenom fall off during KB either

[vapid moth]

Now that mythic is cross server who wants to carry me

[safe matrix]

also you wanna be lining up vanish and vendetta

you hold vanish for vendetta

[wise violet]

Ok so, question about relic crucible thingy, So do i take Master of Shadows over Shocklight

[safe matrix]

also you should probably vanish more

you only vanished twice on a 7 min fight

@wise violet sim it 🤷

you can also consult

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[vapid moth]

Depends on the third trait

[wise violet]

the third trait is Reduced cd on vendetta, with Master of Shadows but with shocklight i get increased dmg on envenom

i would assume vendetta would be the better route

[safe matrix]

But gage those are some basic things I saw

I'm not an insane sin player but I'm alright

[solar willow]

@liavre can i see with skada bleed uptime?

[safe matrix]

dunno

I haven't tried to check that

[vapid moth]

Take vendetta

[safe matrix]

I usually just check logs

I mean MAlch isn't bad either

just sim your relic

[vapid moth]

If you don’t have a third vendetta trait you should get one asap

With the MoS he kinda already gets a bit of the malch effect

• avoidance. Good for m+

[solar willow]

You should have 100% uptime on bleeds if you envenom from vanish?

[lone junco]

nb.

[vapid moth]

what does envenom from vanish have to do with bleed uptime?

[safe matrix]

@solar willow yes you can

just go to the skada mode "Debuff Uptime"

its like 9th from the top

when you go to modes

[solar willow]

Yes i saw it before but didnt find it that helpful

Maybe i need to take a look at it again

[safe matrix]

?????
its literally debuff uptime

compared to your uptime I think

[vapid moth]

Maybe his uptime was so bad he didn’t realize that’s what it actually tracked

That’s some shit I’d do lmao

[fervent beacon]

Kind of hard to keep garrote up when you're doing platform duty on the main boss.

[vapid moth]

Lol 38.5

[fervent beacon]

I mean as long you always have garrote on someone, it shouldn't matter per say

[safe matrix]

it was a wipe I think

[vapid moth]

Have you guys seen the heart of Azeroth trait

A basic one

[steep obsidian]

huh?

[vapid moth]

It’s BfA news

Trait was something like mutilate has a 10% chance to apply your DP. And mutilate does more damage

[steep obsidian]

is it on wowhead?

last time i was on alpha there idn't seem to be any azurite armour stuff implemented but i guess new build?

[civic palm]

:3

http://www.wowhead.com/news=282473/heart-of-azeroth-azerite-traits-in-26175-for-dk-paladin-priest-and-warrior

[quick ice]

Many bomb.

[civic palm]

@steep obsidian link about azerite armor ^^

[steep obsidian]

ty

[civic palm]

Seems like some Tier 1 bonuses.

[quick ice]

Usually if I blow my load in the opener like that, someone fucks up and we wipe, or those are literally my only bombs all fight.

[civic palm]

bahaha

Typical

With 1 PBomb the opener is quite dramatic.

Nearing 210% mastery come ooon

[solar willow]

Its beautiful how perfectly timed vendeta comes off cd for the adds on aggra

[quick ice]

Pity they don't live for the full thing so it feels weird using it

[civic palm]

Yeah

If we took longer to kill Garothi he might have died from old age...

[quick ice]

Yikes

Guess we know he doesn't enrage then

[civic palm]

bahaha

Potatoes

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solar willow]

This is prog kill id assume

[civic palm]

Pretty much

[steep obsidian]

mmmm

[civic palm]

TONS of internet issues.

Took like an extra hour to kill him.

Most of it waiting.

[quick ice]

Internet is the hardest boss this tier for my guild

[civic palm]

That and the FPS weirdness from time to time.

[quick ice]

We're playing on hard mode too - Australia

[solar willow]

Our leader dced on our best try on aggra

[civic palm]

Yeah but at the same time, if you are AUS in an AUS guild the ping can be pretty nice.

[quick ice]

Oh that's nice, but our infrastructure is kinda shit

[steep obsidian]

yeh at least we got oce servers

[civic palm]

Yeah that's true.

Got some upgrades tonight so I can't whine too much.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep obsidian]

my area still only has cable internet here

[civic palm]

ffffff come on

[steep obsidian]

tech from not evne this millenium ftw

my 4g gives me the same kinda bandwidth 😛

[civic palm]

Can be very cost prohibitive to run fiber in sparse areas.

Yeah but connection health is almost more important.

[quick ice]

One of our casuals just got his internet fixed because it was running slow. Up to 8/1 now.

[civic palm]

Bandwidth is pretty much not a thing once you're past third world levels.

Just gonna take this great Fang off and put on a 935 mastery stick yeaaaah that's a bad idea.

[supple mesa]

Well ill deff keep that in mind im 100% guilty of almost consistantly refreshing rup/garrot qith kb sometimes tb

In tjat case would you let rup or garrot fall off for 3 env during tb? And kb duration

Or just better prepare for the tb/kb

[civic palm]

Prepare better.

Refresh early if need be.

[supple mesa]

Worth doing a low cp rupture to pool energy?

[civic palm]

You lose duration in the long run and will have to reapply soon after the burst window, so no.

[supple mesa]

Alright, and whats your take on reapplying rupture within pandemic? Is it worth or better to just get in an extra env?

[civic palm]

This same kinda thing happened with Subtlety a while ago, where you are refreshing Nightblade at what seems like a really early time but you are covering for the burst window as well as some CP generation after the window.

Losing duration by not applying Rupture during the Optimal Pandemic Window is almost never advised.

[viscid helm]

There is no "extra" env

[civic palm]

Sometimes due to timings/mechanics you might find yourself a few seconds late (under the 7.2 second threshold) but you're not losing much.

You are best off;

Making sure you have the ENV buff covering the entirety of the KB window, then reapplying rupture within KB (so long your ENV buff is still up) so long you are not using TB to cover the tail of the KB window, where you want want to ENV as many times as possible.

Yeah that

is nice.

mmmmmmm

Now to find a 970 mastery stat stick, bahahaha.

[supple mesa]

Alright and just one more tjing, is pooling for tb like 5seconds before cd the best way to go about it if it isnt lining up with a kb

[civic palm]

Yeah pooling is fine .

Will make sure you have the energy to get as many ENV's in during the TB window (max 3, I think), as well as enough ENV during the duration of KB to make sure you have that poison application rate buff to stack TB as high as possible.

BED TIME!! Remember to;

[supple mesa]

Hey tyvm for all the help

Have a great night man

You aswell liavre

[zealous dew]

good morning fellow rogues, ready for another reset of disappointment ?

seat 22 on lock, RIP RIP RIP

[quick ice]

I got very nice 965 chest I can't use because tier.

[zealous dew]

960 drain soul relic

oh well

[quick ice]

I used up all my chest luck a couple weeks ago anyway

[zealous dew]

960 headpiece on monk, can't use, legendary

965 c/H boots on pala, useless

965 C/v boots on druid, lol, whatfor

960 HoV on DK

[supple mesa]

I got a 970 chaos talisman
975 crit/mast bracers
And 960 storm choker these last 3 weeks. In that order

[graceful hound]

during KB should i be trying to get 4+cp envenom's to just make sure the buff is covering the whole KB period? or should i be spaming mut->envenom during KB

[zealous dew]

965 c/H boots on rogue

[graceful hound]

i was watching some parses and some ppl spam and some dont?

[zealous dew]

during KB you want Env + SoT up

the more you hit the more poison applications you might get

[supple mesa]

Just kwwp up sot and env with 3-5 vp envs before the buff falls off

[graceful hound]

ah ok, i was watching some of the parses and they were just spamming it on global mut->envenom, i was wondering if using envenom guarantees an application of deadly to buff KB

[zealous dew]

that's prob in mantle window

[frozen pecan]

why wouldn't you spam if you don't have anything else to apply? Normal rotation isn't it?

[viscid helm]

You dont env with 3

Stop

[solar willow]

Stop.Get some help

[zealous dew]

STahp

[safe matrix]

Stawp

[prime void]

Stop?

[safe matrix]

🛑

[strange python]

PLS get some help

[shrewd night]

Stop, wait a minute
Fill my cup, put some liquor in it

[solar willow]

Cant stop wont stop

[strange python]

@shrewd night Is this a laughing matter to you?

[solar willow]

Keeping it old school

So cool

[strange python]

someone is Envenoming with 3 CP

[shrewd night]

My alcoholism is always a laughing matter

[quick ice]

alcoholism is the best joke

[strange python]

alcoholism is both VERY fun and sad

the perfect balance

and that is what we need in life

[prime void]

I envemon at 3 when I feel like it

[strange python]

Please leave this server

thanks

[shrewd night]

Sure, I envenom at 3 when I feel like it too

About just as often as I go on a killing spree at the local mall

[strange python]

So once in a while?

[solid nova]

🤔

[solar willow]

Hmmmmmmm

[shrewd night]

You will never know

[solar willow]

I will never show

[strange python]

Neither will the shoppers at your local mall

[zealous dew]

once i envenomed at 2

i have a t-shirt

[solar willow]

I'd assume if you're using envenom on 3cp u use death from above too

[zealous dew]

it's great for m+

[safe matrix]

🤔

[prime void]

I wanna play with thr apl. I feel like envenoming at 3cp if SoT and envenom buff wont cover end of KB during vendetta cant be that bad.

[safe matrix]

I envenom on 1 pt tbh

So I can get more poison bonbs

[quick ice]

I think the APL avoids being in that situation iirc

[safe matrix]

Cause if every envenom is a poison bomb, you're just wasting combo points

[shrewd night]

@prime void Sure, it probably isnt as bad as people think on a one time basis. But it all adds up over the course of 5 minutes.

[prime void]

I doubt that

Highly

[solar willow]

Show logs where you use 3 cp envenom and prove us wrong

[safe matrix]

I mean it's fine

[prime void]

Simmer down big boy

[quick ice]

I've definitely accidently 3CP envenomed before when I get parried during opener

[safe matrix]

Envenoms damage is linear per point right? The only thing that doesn't hangs per point is energy cost

[quick ice]

feels pretty awful

[strange python]

I know that true for Rupture

[quick ice]

I'm fairly certain you're right on that one

[prime void]

Mizuxe is my name gaara

[strange python]

prolly for env as well>

?

[safe matrix]

So you just lose the energy and a gcd?

[prime void]

Feel free to to log hunting, tell me what you fins

👍

[safe matrix]

Which really isn't that bad tbh

[prime void]

Lower PB proc rate

Very minimal

[safe matrix]

Same % per point though

[prime void]

Esp when not not playing a pb dependent build

[safe matrix]

That's also linear

[prime void]

Ye

[safe matrix]

I was talking about this with fuu

[strange python]

Well yeah but the dmg from 3 CP might really not justify the energy

[prime void]

3cp vs 4cp is very minimal

[safe matrix]

Iirc we determined you shouldn't do low point evis in sub cause of finality

But sin doesn't have finalith

[prime void]

While covering KB at the end is pretty big

Esp during vendetta

[shrewd night]

@safe matrix you also have your mastery skewing the numbers

[prime void]

Ill play with the APL tommorow and let ya know what I find ?

[strange python]

Also you have a smaller chance to waste CP

[prime void]

@solar willow find anything interesting ?

[quaint orchid]

So I'm new to the whole rogue class and kind of have a somewhat decent rotation I think but I find that I'm just waiting for mutilate to come back off cooldown or running out of energy. Is this because I'm running my rotation all wrong?

Any help is great

[prime void]

Should note I play at 54isj crit

[shrewd night]

Probably because you dont have bleeds up and four set running

[spare cloud]

Check the guide for the proper rotation

[shrewd night]

Mutilate coming off cd tho

Thats a new one

[spare cloud]

is the best advice

(:

[prime void]

So I have a very high chance of wasting

[spare cloud]

think he means energy reg

[solar willow]

@quaint orchid probably you dony wait to get most uptime on your surge of toxins

[shrewd night]

Dont ruin my fun Toph 😠

[quaint orchid]

Eyes energy reg sorry

[quick ice]

I wish I had 54% crit 😦

[safe matrix]

It's linear

It's just a straight multiplier per point

Unaffected by mastery or any other stats really

[prime void]

I play ring boots spooce

W/960 eoc lol

[quick ice]

that actually sounds fun

[prime void]

Its my highest zimming build :)

Also my favorite build.

[safe matrix]

My Dk friend got a 960 eoc out of stash today ._.

[shrewd night]

@safe matrix I was talking about sub mastery tho <.<

[safe matrix]

I'm pretty sure it's the sane

Same

[shrewd night]

wat

[quick ice]

is that an alacrity build?

[safe matrix]

Like linear per point

[shrewd night]

Its linear, but I question the validity of comparing sin and sub finishers if you can skew the numbers with fluctuating masteries. Like 3 cp eviscerates might be worth it with higher mastery, maybe even during argus p1

I dont know that for shit, but just as an example

[safe matrix]

I mean theoretically sure

But the problem is finality and the energy back per point in a finisher

[shrewd night]

How much do you get back? Like 5 per point?

[safe matrix]

6 per point

Finishers are hefty energy costs if you don't get the returns

[spare cloud]

Oh tisumi is back

how have you been

[safe matrix]

Nice

[prime void]

Hi tisumi❤

[spare cloud]

[safe matrix]

I dunno how the frost active would work though, cause you're already super cool 😎

Salty?

[prime void]

Damn

Rough night

[spare cloud]

Feelsmusclebrahman

[safe matrix]

FeelsBadMan

[spare cloud]

He told you to keep your identity?

so you dont forget who you really are

[nocturne gate]

hey guys how much crit should i need to play seriously the bleed build ?

[safe matrix]

A lot

[spare cloud]

Probably around 45%+

[prime void]

45+

[strange python]

@quaint orchid I think you just have the wrong expectation from the class. You do not have infinite energy, you will be waiting a lot of time for the energy to regen.

[spare cloud]

it depends on your other gear when its better though

if your other gear is shit you probably dont need that much for it to overpower poison

[safe matrix]

Well tisumi I hope that you are well ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[chrome tusk]

Alright, @safe matrix has been warned because 'Mass emoji'.

[safe matrix]

monkaS

[frozen pecan]

lul

[quick ice]

Brobot not really a bro

[strange python]

kek

[viscid helm]

Its not crit

You need 3x MA , boots and t20

[compact lodge]

[nocturne gate]

and the bracers or shoulder too ?

[spare cloud]

yeah but he asked for crit

not for the other requirements

[shrewd night]

Tries to show the discord love, gets shaken down by brobot

[spare cloud]

Yeah

brobot teaches us

be toxic

[viscid helm]

There is no crit requirement tho

[wise frigate]

No love here.

[spare cloud]

ofc there isnt

thats why I said probably and said that it depends on his other gear

which is better

[prime void]

I mean he said play seriously

[spare cloud]

Yeah then tell him thats not gonna happen

because thats the most realistic answer

[supple mesa]

What you mean no 3cp envrnoms

[spare cloud]

Ive evenomed on 3cp

[shrewd night]

Stop toph, I want to see his reasoning

[spare cloud]

but it was an accident

[shrewd night]

This gon be great

[supple mesa]

So you are daying during kb

[prime void]

What about my reasoning? You just stopped the conversation?

[supple mesa]

You have let buffs drop off

[viscid helm]

No 3cp envenom means no 3cp envenom

[supple mesa]

For 5cp env?

[spare cloud]

tbh you could just do the math

instead of argueing

it would be pretty solid proof

[supple mesa]

Im not arguing lol

Im asking a question

[prime void]

I'm in bed.

[spare cloud]

Nice ass you got laying in bed though

[prime void]

I said I'd play with it tomorrow

[viscid helm]

You dont think that its been tested?

[shrewd night]

@prime void Nah, I think it was a fair conversation, but I need something else than words to win me over that 3cp envenoms is actually good

[viscid helm]

Its pretty obvious

[supple mesa]

I dont know if it has thats why i asked the fucking question

Lol

[spare cloud]

It sure has but nobody asks it anymore so idk where to look for

tbh

[prime void]

...

[spare cloud]

I mean idc i was just lurking through the conversation

I didnt want to say anything except make a bad joke

[safe matrix]

I cant

[spare cloud]

so im out again

[safe matrix]

I just got a warning

For my heart spam

monkaOMEGA

[shrewd night]

Ill take one for the team

[spare cloud]

Liavre your love is just not wanted.

[safe matrix]

can't stop my love

[shrewd night]

❤ we ❤ need ❤ some ❤ love ❤ in ❤ here

See, no warning

Ayyyyyy

[spare cloud]

thats not gonna get warned

[hazy iron]

3cp env through KB would mean you screwed up rupture / garrote beforehand

[spare cloud]

because they are not directly after each other

[prime void]

No Flowi, I dont think my exact scenario has been tested

[hazy iron]

i'd rather over clip rupture to ensure its up through KB, than refresh it half way through and lose env

[safe matrix]

Do 7 of them

[hazy iron]

no need to 3cp env ever

[prime void]

Tf

[shrewd night]

Six isnt enough love for you @safe matrix

[spare cloud]

wat

[safe matrix]

No

7 is what got me my warning

[spare cloud]

so 7 is the threshhold

we can abuse that.

[prime void]

Its almost like perfect play doesnt occur 24/7

[regal umbra]

But what if he just recorded logs of it and we could all stop arguing.

[spare cloud]

But thats bullshit

[safe matrix]

I switched to sub for hounds and I forgot I did

[spare cloud]

what if he gets like 20% pb dmg in that log

[safe matrix]

So I tried to do my sin opener

Holy I was tilted today

[spare cloud]

can't get that shit out of logs

well you can but it would require other work

[quaint orchid]

Thanks for the info y'all still learning the class so I know it will take time.

[viscid helm]

What good are logs?

[regal umbra]

I have my openers set to be the same for every spec and class

i press the same keys in the same order

for the max dps for my rotation

[safe matrix]

🤔

[hazy iron]

dunno man, it's not hard to ensure you have at least 14 seconds of rupture up before going into KB, no perfection required

[spare cloud]

That logic

is

[shrewd night]

Sounds like a macro 😂

[spare cloud]

flawless.

lets just look at top logs and play like them then

refresh rupture during kb and lose 8 seconds uptime

but get lucky with pb at 30%

because thats how you're supposed to play

[hazy iron]

lol

[spare cloud]

ayyy

[shrewd oriole]

Morning

Nice cloak mizu

[prime void]

Refreshing rupture during KB is fine tho

[shrewd night]

Hey tom

Im back to the red side

[hazy iron]

yeah i know

[spare cloud]

Ofc its fine

[prime void]

Thanks tom

[spare cloud]

that wasnt my point though

[shrewd oriole]

Can’t wait to see what mastery haste piece of gear I get today

[spare cloud]

If you play everything correctly you can get away with almost anything

[shrewd oriole]

Last week was 980 mastery haste BRACERS

[safe matrix]

But that's okay

[spare cloud]

Refreshing rupture during kb can lose you no uptime at all if you time correctly

[safe matrix]

I'd be okay with that

[prime void]

Correct toph

[spare cloud]

also refreshing during last 5 seconds doesnt lose much as well

its very minimal

can even do nothing

with uptime loss

[safe matrix]

Depends how much crit you have, it'll be hard to get the points for envenom with low crit

[hazy iron]

try rocking it with 23% crit

feelsbad

[shrewd night]

I got a crit/mastery piece which was pretty

But it was shoulders

[spare cloud]

fuck

nobody saw that

[prime void]

So dont run shoulders??

[shrewd night]

I sure didnt

[prime void]

🤔

[shrewd night]

I dont run shoulders, but already got better

So its still

[shrewd oriole]

Rip

[spare cloud]

Just do it like noobe

google for pictures of men with no shoulder

[shrewd night]

Got like the shoulders from garothi on first heroic week to titanforge to 965, so been stuck with that forever

[shrewd oriole]

Everyone says “don’t run shoulders” but I have 970 shoulders and mantle is still bis fbm

[prime void]

Fam

[spare cloud]

don't run shoulders

[shrewd oriole]

226 mastery 30 crit btw

[prime void]

Have your seen your mast

Ty

[shrewd oriole]

Kill me

[spare cloud]

You shouldnt run on your shoulders

[shrewd oriole]

I’m so close to 20k mastery

Like 200 or 300 away

Poggers

[spare cloud]

Bad

[safe matrix]

Without food?

[shrewd oriole]

Without food yeah

[prime void]

Actually get sockets nerd

[spare cloud]

You guys are carrying my warlock this week

tisumi already agreed

[shrewd oriole]

Aight

Saturday

Be there or be square

[spare cloud]

in exchange I will carry an alt of you

My rogue will only trans on sunday though

helping out a friend with guldan mythic on sunday

gonna transfer afterwards

But my warrior does alright dmg

for a +15

[prime void]

Cross realm argus already

Weird AF

Well cross realm myth

[spare cloud]

BFA is ready for release

[viscid helm]

When is the HC run

[gaunt moat]

not really weird, it's been a while now

[viscid helm]

Flowitwo could use some gear

[spare cloud]

we can run hc on like

monday

if you want

How many weeks has it been?

at least like 15

[prime void]

Its usually after CE cutoff I thought

[spare cloud]

Lucky you still get ce then

for me

[prime void]

Same 😣

I think this is week 6 kek

[spare cloud]

are you extending?

[prime void]

Extending?

Like locking out?

[shrewd oriole]

I’m running heroic

[spare cloud]

yeah

extending the id

to just do argus

[shrewd oriole]

At 1:30pm

@viscid helm

[viscid helm]

No

[prime void]

Yeah since we started argus lol

[spare cloud]

Oh god

[viscid helm]

U clown

[spare cloud]

[viscid helm]

Im at work

[spare cloud]

[shrewd oriole]

Not my fault, get out early

[spare cloud]

that moment when you have to work fulltime

because you cant support your lifestyle with chaos orbs

[viscid helm]

15:00 server time

Tom

[shrewd oriole]

We could do a second run

One on my rogue one on my hunter

[viscid helm]

Ye mayb i should sell my 6k chaos

[shrewd oriole]

1st run should be done by then

[viscid helm]

U better

[spare cloud]

How is the course right now

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah this league is really bad

I got to 70 on my necro and was just so bored

Didn’t even die

[spare cloud]

you could probably support one month with 6k chaos

[shrewd oriole]

Just logged out

[supple mesa]

Ex sell for 10$ start of season. Just grt lucky 😂

[viscid helm]

Dont need luck

[shrewd oriole]

^

[viscid helm]

Just not to BE a pleb

[spare cloud]

Rip me 😭

I'm pro at poe now though

I looked at many videos

[viscid helm]

Rush UBER/shaper

Ez +400€

[supple mesa]

I refuse to conform to the meta so i do poison st/bf every season

[spare cloud]

still don't know which items are good

[shrewd oriole]

Good, we can ply next season toph

[viscid helm]

At 1st week

[spare cloud]

No

i didnt say anything

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[supple mesa]

Wonder what the first star forge would sell for in $ early om

[viscid helm]

Starforge lmao

Is this 2k17

[supple mesa]

Shit sells for a bunch of ex😂

[viscid helm]

Voidforge is 3x the dps

Of starforge

[tough fractal]

Would a 945 Seeping Scourgewing be better than 960 Gorlasch?

[supple mesa]

Flowi to l33t

[viscid helm]

Got my 1st after 18 kills

Unlucky

[spare cloud]

What if you get like a mirror first day

how much would that sell for

[supple mesa]

Got a breath of the council week 2

Still using it, looking back it perhaos i shouldve sold it who knows

[spare cloud]

if it sold at all 🤔

[viscid helm]

Mirror isnt much use at the start

But prob 400 ish

[supple mesa]

First witch hunter and elder items are the big ones in money value i suppose

Tbh though playing poe was lack luster this season

[shrewd oriole]

The guy who taught his dog to do the Nazi salute got charged with a hate crime

[prime void]

Yeah lol

[shrewd oriole]

This world is a joke

[quick ice]

do the angles even really work for it to look like a nazi salute?

[spare cloud]

I am offended.

[prime void]

The apology video is top notch

[shrewd oriole]

@quick ice has to be right hand

At about the level of your head

[quick ice]

it was more of a "can a dog actually bend like that?"

[shrewd oriole]

Ah

[spare cloud]

tbh every dog owner who teaches their dog to do give paw should be fined then

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah it can

He also taught it to react to phrases

[spare cloud]

FINE ALL DOG OWNERS

[shrewd oriole]

The dog would get excited when he heard stuff like gas the Jews

To me that’s just really fcking funny

[quick ice]

my pupper has arthritis and couldn't ever bend like that, so I wasn't sure

[spare cloud]

[shrewd oriole]

Guy isn’t just getting fined

He might face jail time or house arrest

lol

[spare cloud]

house arrest 🤔

[shrewd oriole]

And the trial has lasted 2 years

[spare cloud]

isnt he a big boi already

judge probably had to keep himself from laughing all the time

so court was cancelled

[shrewd oriole]

Judge looked like he didn’t get the joke

Ahahah

Fucking prick

If I could hug the guy rn I would

I feel bad for him

[quick ice]

2 years of court sounds excessive and expensive

[spare cloud]

Sounds like the right thing to do

[steep obsidian]

the fuck

[shrewd oriole]

Great

The resto shaman we recruited last week left

[shrewd night]

Guy was dumb as fuck tho

[shrewd oriole]

Got ce and left lol

[shrewd night]

He should have trained the dog to react to jews only

So he could use Juice as a defence in court

[shrewd oriole]

“Only wanted ce, gonna chill do the rest of the expac”

What a cunt

[shrewd night]

Was it limits shaman

[viscid helm]

Tom is never gonna kill argus

[shrewd oriole]

I’ve killed it tho

?

[viscid helm]

Have you?

[shrewd night]

Tom using a dialup connection to answer that question

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

Sorry I’m at work

I killed it on our first rekill

[shrewd night]

W R K

[spare cloud]

Thats why you never take new recruits to endboss

[shrewd night]

But if you dont, the recruits will DDoS the main roster

[spare cloud]

ayyy

[shrewd oriole]

We don’t have a main resto

He got booted right after the first kill

For being trash

[spare cloud]

Works part time for Internet company -> Internet on work tablet doesnt work

[quick ice]

makes sense

[zealous dew]

kingaroth time for trinket!

[quick ice]

doesn't exist

[solid nova]

TFW my alt got 950 titan forged one from timewalking weekly

[hoary moon]

hey guys, how do you use gnawed thumb ring properly for assass?

[shrewd night]

Id macro it to a skill so its fire and forget, but Im a scrub

so

..

[hoary moon]

im guessing in burst and execute if the fights shorter than 6min

[spare cloud]

That is correct

See you can think for yourself

[hoary moon]

just wanted a second opinion

[spare cloud]

Logs

[zealous dew]

or in the last 12s of KB if you don't plaay mantle

play*

[hoary moon]

what if you do play mantle?

[solid nova]

Just macro it with vendetta

[zealous dew]

and start during burst

and in vanish

[hoary moon]

ah okay, cheers

[gleaming dragon]

Hey guys - can someone tell what the stat stacks are for assassin?

[viscid helm]

No

[solid nova]

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[gleaming dragon]

I cant seem to find the in the guide, but i will have another look

oh nvmI am fuckign dumb

mb

[viscid helm]

They dont exist

[hoary moon]

ive got 200% mastery and still sim 42 for its definitely mastery lol

[viscid helm]

Sim

[spare cloud]

What are stat stacks

[viscid helm]

Stacks

Yo

[spare cloud]

the only things I stack are alacrity

and eoc

[viscid helm]

[zealous dew]

stack haste

100% haste

[placid egret]

Hidden breaking point with haste; if you have enough haste your energy regen is so fast you can't actually deplete it

[hazy flame]

Crit and haste for max energy regen

Dont trust sims

[zealous dew]

haste versa

immortal rogue

40% versa + feint

[hazy flame]

Yes if u die a lot stack versa

[zealous dew]

and energy regen due to haste = perma feint

remember, can't dps if ded

[strange python]

!relics

[chrome tusk]

List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/

gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0

[astral sundial]

so i'd guess it won't make much of a difference, but it bothers me for whatever reason - if I have 5cp and TB is of cooldown, is it possible that I should be casting TB instead of casting envenom first? my logic is that I gain more envenom damage then the extra envenom casts I would get from the extra CP. 21% crit.

[desert karma]

Hey guys, please help me out with 2 trinkets?

935 SSF vs 960 EOC

which is better?

because looking at the crit and agility they both give, it seems SSF gives more?

[shrewd night]

Sim it

[desert karma]

How do I do that?

[shrewd night]

raidbots.com

[desert karma]

which section do I chose?

[shrewd night]

The one that does what you want it to do?

Youre trying to compare items right?

So uh

Gear compare?

[desert karma]

Okay, thanks. Never used it before so dont really know what to do

[kindred forge]

Or top gear

[shrewd night]

top gear requires simc addon, which I doubt he has

[kindred forge]

But from my guess EoC for bosses and you can use SSF for AoE

[shrewd night]

Like, one of those trinkets is obviously better, but teach a man to fish yada yada

[desert karma]

think I figured it out

[frozen pecan]

you have to apply the right ilvl

[shrewd night]

860 eoc

[frozen pecan]

they EoC you simmed is 860

[solid nova]

@desert karma

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

Download Simulationcraft for better results.

Literally login to game, equip the gear you want to sim and type /simc (copy the string)

Paste into raidbots for an accurate sim

And you can use the /simc results for various comparisons. Worth the 5minutes or so to get familiar with simming gear setups/comparisons. Infinitely useful.

[frozen pecan]

but the 960 EoC will obviously sim better than the 930 ssf

[desert karma]

Will try to, thanks Richard 😄

[solid nova]

If the 860 is simming only 3% out

A 960 will demolish it

[desert karma]

I got the 960 EOC this morning in my chest and everyone was freaking out 😛

[frozen pecan]

lucky

[shrewd night]

nottriggeredbtw.jpg

[solid nova]

Yeah

Its a nice drop fam

High item level EOCs are amazing

Amazing

[frozen pecan]

for st fights that is

[desert karma]

but that means I can only hit one target now right?

[shrewd night]

No, you can hit as many targets you want as long as you macro the abilities so your autoattacks still hit the main target.

[frozen pecan]

aka it's aids for multi-target :>

[shrewd night]

I think the only fight I wouldnt use it on would be eonar and kinga 🤷

[desert karma]

so I just keep switching them out for eachother depending on situation?

[shrewd night]

arguably argus heroic

[frozen pecan]

🤔 true

[solid nova]

Yeah Matt

[desert karma]

Now I can finally beat the Mage Tower Challenge 😄