assassination

[spare cloud]

so you dont overcap

It doesnt matter when you vanish during vendetta

all that matters is that you have the 5 seconds of shoulders in the vendetta

be it right at the beginning of in the last 5 seconds of it

And also that you don't lose casts

It was pretty close in the end right there

[sharp nova]

so its not best to vanish right after vendetta to use extra energy and spam envenom during shoulders as much as possible?

[spare cloud]

I mean you should save the energy ofc

you just dont want to cap

You dont need the 80 energy from vendetta to do the vanish evenom mut evenom mut evenom shoulder

you just need to do a little planning and save before

You just dont want to let it go to waste by overcapping

[sharp nova]

so if i got it right, best would be to line up vanish with last 5 seconds of kb during vendetta and with pooled energy?

ofc covering it with tb if possible

[strange python]

mizuke you ok buddy

this looks painful

[spare cloud]

That would be best case scenario

but thats not really happening all the time

I mean it can happen

[sharp nova]

yeah of course

[spare cloud]

I think the focus should be on getting the vanish off during vendetta after tb kb

thats the most consistent

you can pretty much always do it like that

[sharp nova]

i used to just vanish after vendetta in order to spam envenom with that extra energy

anyway, cheers for the advice

[spare cloud]

I mean the extra energy doesnt go away

You just save it a little for later

[slim estuary]

Thats what I was told to do, now i know dont delay vend and use kb /tb before van/env spam

[spare cloud]

kind off

Whats important is not overcapping in that situation

so dont wait at like max energy

just use an evenom in the meantime or smth

Also if you use vendetta and have like 15 seconds cd on kb and toxic blade is ready

dont wait for kb just use tb and do the vanish and shoulders thing

[slim estuary]

ill keep it all in mind for tomorrow night

thank you very much

[supple mesa]

So

I watchd my buddy's replay on a parse for garothi and he used vendetta during apocolypse drive

Is that like a good hting to do? Lol

[plain thistle]

feint and gg

dont need to run 😄

[supple mesa]

?

[wise frigate]

You mean he used it on a weapon?

[supple mesa]

eah

yeah

[plain thistle]

oh

[supple mesa]

my b

[wise frigate]

Did the weapon live for all 20 seconds?

[supple mesa]

No

not even kind of

like 8 seconds

lol

[wise frigate]

Then that was stupid of him.

[supple mesa]

Im just inclined to believe it was a decent decision because his parse was like 2.5m

then again he runs boots bracers

[plain thistle]

link log?

because you can get a good parse with 1 half vendetta, if you get lucky elsewhere

[supple mesa]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TMwDqpj1PCBGRQdz#fight=3&type=damage-done&source=16

2.4m my b

[plain thistle]

I run boots+bracer as well

[astral sundial]

could be he got poison bomb on both weapons, so vendeta there was a bit cheesy

[supple mesa]

I watched it on his stream

thats how i know when he vendetta'd

[plain thistle]

yeah, thats was a bad decision, just look at his last vendetta

even delaying the fourth by a couple second

he would got the same amount of vendettas on the fight

[gleaming stratus]

What's the ideal opener like this : Garrote / Mutilate - Vendetta - Vanish - Rupture - Toxic Blade - Kingbane - Muti - Envenom dump?

[supple mesa]

?

[plain thistle]

lol what

[supple mesa]

no

LOL

[plain thistle]

with shoulder?

or without?

[gleaming stratus]

yea

Yes with shoulders.

[supple mesa]

garrott mut rup ven tb kb vanish env

[plain thistle]

garrote > mut > rupture > vendetta > TB > KB > vanish > envenom > mut. etc etc etc

[wise frigate]

Sounds like someone needs to take a gander at the guide in the pins or the channel topic.

[supple mesa]

and ty for the answer on my question im learning how to play by watching people but some fights are proving to be hard to parse on for me

and idk what im doing wrong -_

[gleaming stratus]

Does the crit carry over with rupture from the shoulders.

[supple mesa]

?

[gleaming stratus]

100% crit rupture not affect each other?

[supple mesa]

no

[gleaming stratus]

ok interesting.

[supple mesa]

ns

buffs ruptre

[surreal cypress]

Hi

[wise frigate]

I'm sorry but your name makes me want to punch you.

[supple mesa]

LOl

[plain thistle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TMwDqpj1PCBGRQdz#fight=3&type=auras&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&target=16&start=578612&end=592482&source=60

[surreal cypress]

Is leaching posion useful anywhere?

Lol

[plain thistle]

that his add vendetta

[wise frigate]

I use it in trivial stuff IE heroic raid and lower dungeons. For M+ I tend to go Cheat Death just in case.

[supple mesa]

Im sorry im terrible at reading logs, what should I take away from this info?

[wise frigate]

Makes for some nice healing parses.

[surreal cypress]

Lol thats what i was thinking

Thank you

[plain thistle]

it was more than half vendetta

just that, and his add damage too

[supple mesa]

Ok so bad

[plain thistle]

it wasnt that bad of a vendetta actually

if the fight had lasted 20-30s more, because of the add vendetta he would got another vendetta cast, because he didnt delayed.

[supple mesa]

ohh ok I see

Ill keep that in mind going into next pull on garothi

[plain thistle]

maybe wasnt the best vendetta possible, but wasnt that bad

[prime void]

Did he get another vendetta after using on add?

[supple mesa]

no

[plain thistle]

yes

he did

[supple mesa]

wait waht

thought fight ended after

[plain thistle]

he almost got 2 casts after the add cast

[prime void]

Then not a bad vendetta imo

[supple mesa]

I suppose it was only possible because fo boots though

[prime void]

Had he held he could have missed

[supple mesa]

so if running shoulders bracers no bueno

[plain thistle]

yeah, but in this case. he would got 2 boss vendetta in last phase

[prime void]

Probably overestimated how fast KT would be

[plain thistle]

he probably was counting on not getting 2 casts during last phase

[warm geode]

@lone junco what is the best gear of ToS for bleed build? assuming all ToS and Antorus mythic base

[wise frigate]

Think it's shoulders and gloves?

[plain thistle]

shorter fights sometimes are harder to judge if you will get or not 2 casts 🤷

[supple mesa]

Ehh so much thinking in this game xD

[plain thistle]

you can use a WA to track "time to die" but its not that accurate

[supple mesa]

Meh im still new to wow, im just learning as i go

Debating trying boots bracers for argus prog but idk every time i try it i muscle memory use vanish imporperly xD

[prime void]

New to game

Progging argus

Solid

[supple mesa]

Well idk i started wow for te first time mid way through tos

so im kinda new i guss

guess

[warm geode]

for poison build is shoulder gloves but for bleed idk, for me cloak and gloves simc better @wise frigate

[prime void]

Hands shoulders

[wise frigate]

Ah okay. I only remembered the poison one. Never paid attention to the bleed ones.

[tired thistle]

Does vendetta increase on use trinkets DMG?

[plain thistle]

no

vendetta works with a white list, earlier in the expansion it didnt buff some of our abilities 😂

[tired thistle]

Lol

[plain thistle]

because they were not add to that "list"

[tired thistle]

Isnt that Great

[plain thistle]

its fixed now 😂

[subtle fiber]

@plain thistle

vai se fuder doido

meu lock bate mais que vc

vlw

[supple mesa]

So like

lol

[vast tulip]

Hi I am new to Sin. What should be my ideal goals for stats? Mast>Crit>Agil>Ver>haste?

[supple hearth]

📌 top right there are pins where you can find resources galore for sin. Or at the very top theres a sin guide that probably has the answers youre looking for

[quick talon]

Good job giggle

🤗

[fervent beacon]

@vast tulip Did you not do this in outlaw channel earlier in the year? 🤔

But do sim yourself to figure out your stats weight.

(Diusus here, you probably see me on the forum championing outlaw RtB)

And I'm playing sin atm as well

[vast tulip]

haha Hey Diusus I know you

I am testing Assin.

[quick ice]

looks pretty normal

[fervent beacon]

Do you have good shoulders and legendary boots?

[vast tulip]

My current stat weights. So Question should I pump mast to 189% and drop my crit 29% or stay with what i have above

[strange python]

sim it

[vast tulip]

i got mantle and Shackles

[lost horizon]

Sim it

[fervent beacon]

Hmm, what's your crit atm, 29%?

If you're able to use the compare gear setting or top gear on raidbot, I'd recommend as it would determine your best setup

Fun fact, insig ravenholdt + boots are simming the highest for me atm but I run boots/bracers.

Another fun fact, I'm 100% fucked up right now

[vast tulip]

what the stats i photo i am 36% crit and 167% mast

siming 189 mast and 29% crit right now

[strange python]

36 crit man do you have boots

boots/bracers time

[vast tulip]

189mast and 29% crit is a dps lost

@strange python I use Mantle and Bracer

[strange python]

but do you have a replacement for mantle by chance

[vast tulip]

to have 36% cirt and 169% mast

[strange python]

could be a dps gain

but thats something a poison boi would know more about

[fervent beacon]

Personally, I'd run the 36% and 169% setup if you have 4 T21 because that's a lot of energy return with high crit like that

[vast tulip]

switching out mantle for boots...179mast and 29Crit simming now

[fervent beacon]

I'm currently running with about similar stats as your but the only difference is that i'm running boots/bracers with alacrity build instead.

[strange python]

oo lad nvm

29% crit is lowww

[vast tulip]

@fervent beacon yes i have 4p t21

[strange python]

wait no it isnt i guess

idk im like nearly 45 now

[fervent beacon]

its not that low per say but should be better

[strange python]

does alac actually sim higher than tb for you void

or just a choice

[fervent beacon]

its about to be .8% difference last time I simmed

so I just did it so less button to deal with lol

[strange python]

makes sense to me

[fervent beacon]

but I'm able to keep up env buff up for majority of the fight easily because of the energy regen and attack speed from alacrity

[strange python]

i played a little bit of it but i have 2 rupture relics so poison is kinda out of the question

[vast tulip]

strong dps setup for me is mantle and bracers at 167mat and 36crit. thank you for the suggestions

[strange python]

also are you doing mp/alac or ep/alac

[fervent beacon]

I believe EP. I know I was running EP when I was memein insig/boots and my mast was at 149% with crit at 42%

[strange python]

dirty, i want insig but its one of the last 2 i dont have, curious about running it with my high crit

i think i could get like 48%

[fervent beacon]

It's pretty fun beating my officer rogue with meme spec

[strange python]

with dog

[fervent beacon]

Yeah I can get about 52% crit with my buff up, its crazy good with T21 because your poisons will be critting like mf and your seal fate proc for mut env mut env

[strange python]

ooo

only thing is bracer window isnt there anymore

[fervent beacon]

That's the whole idea with Alacrity

[strange python]

does ep buff ring

[quick talon]

Well

[fervent beacon]

Yeah I think its better to do boots/bracers for progressing but could be fun to try parse with insig/boots

[quick talon]

Ep buffs mut

[strange python]

but doesnt double dip

[quick talon]

Ring scales off mut dmg

[vast tulip]

915 Eye of Command or 960 Fang?

[strange python]

960 fang is my guess, but sim it

[fervent beacon]

The f, how do you even have that 960

[strange python]

ive got 970 socket

[vast tulip]

RNG

[strange python]

from hc

:^)

[quick talon]

Got a 965 EoC 😉

[fervent beacon]

I have 950 from heroic but it hadn't been dropping on mythic so far

[strange python]

dirty, i want a big eoc but also dont wanna play rupture mouseover game

[fervent beacon]

I replaced my 960 iron relic like 5 times for better nlc luck lol

[strange python]

my weapon is kinda low atm

[fervent beacon]

its the only relic that doesn't have master ass

[strange python]

because of mandatory mass

and actually i could use 1 more just for ease, rn im running 2x mass 2x bb 2x rupture

[fervent beacon]

I think I'm running 6/7 Master Alch and 6/7 Master Ass

[strange python]

really in like my ideal world id like 3xmass 3xbb

nothing feels better than those 4cp muts always happening

[stark heart]

Master ass 😏

[strange python]

🤔

[light jacinth]

🥒

[strange python]

🍌

man its a slow day

[fervent beacon]

Well I'm baked as f.

[civic palm]

👏

[hazy iron]

How do you play EP anyways, you just focus on having EP up ratehr than envenom or what lol

[viscid helm]

Clip

[steep obsidian]

if you have a decent amount of crit ep isnt hard to manage at all

[rose sapphire]

What is EP? 😛

[wise frigate]

Erectile Perplexity

IE Elaborate Planning.

[strange python]

lmao

[midnight latch]

🍍

[shrewd night]

Who are you and what did you do to Naya

[zealous dew]

He's BDK now

[steep obsidian]

big dick?

[strange python]

Naya has forsaken the poison spec

[zealous dew]

he's back to

[shrewd night]

Naya has forsaken the

[zealous dew]

the more I play rogue the worse I perform, time to quit

[vernal adder]

I agree

[midnight latch]

[strange python]

So time to execute Naya in public

:(( hope we didn;t have to come to this

[midnight latch]

why is it called naya not tox

but is green

why u wanna execute me

btw

[vernal adder]

wtf is that pin

[midnight latch]

I got executed yesterday already

[vernal adder]

oh right

[midnight latch]

by aethys

mistook me for saber

worst fuckin burn in the universe

@vernal adder but u green

how can u not be toxic

[vernal adder]

you have a point

[zealous dew]

he's alacrity green

[midnight latch]

[vernal adder]

Flowi made me do it

[shrewd night]

Naya is not tox

Hence it could not say that you are

because that would be a lie

[sharp viper]

where did your ghost avatar go?

[midnight latch]

graduated

[vernal adder]

top of my class

[shrewd night]

went from 'green' to 'anime tiddies'

[midnight latch]

Navy seals

[sharp viper]

I guess i missed an episode of digimon where green ghost blob transforms to anime girl

[vernal adder]

stuck home with fever and runny nose, feels wierd man

[midnight latch]

get well soon

[vernal adder]

Kinda bored during the day tbh, not at work etc

[midnight latch]

but u could play games or?

[vernal adder]

sure I guess if I felt like it

[gaunt moat]

@midnight latch trainer showed me how to do crunches better.
It felt like i had hot iron bars burnning my abdomen

[solid nova]

@gaunt moat Share the technique fam

[midnight latch]

[solid nova]

I want to feel hot things in my stomach as well 😦

[midnight latch]

[gaunt moat]

Basically just make sure you back doesn't move at all.
Only make a small movement with the shoulders.
Don't tilt your head

It's really hard

[shrewd night]

buffbun

[zealous dew]

squeeze!

[solid nova]

Sounds like you're just isolating the muscle group even further

Don't squeeze too hard though

[zealous dew]

watch blood & guts by Dorian yates

😄

[shrewd night]

@gaunt moat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fflkHKe0T7Y

[solid nova]

Moooscles

[shrewd night]

poomp de moooscles

[solid nova]

Still gonna try this

The Notter crunches - i wanna be able to grate cheese by the end of the year with this advice

[zealous dew]

gl with that

[gaunt moat]

And important. Back needs to touch the floor

[solid nova]

It almost sounds awkward, the position

Sounds like a struggle tbh

[shrewd oriole]

Morning

[solid nova]

Good Morning, Dear Tomas

[gaunt moat]

@solid nova yeah the idea is that the muscles are kept tight the whole time almost, and then with the small movement you put strain on it

the movement itself is like... 20 degress maybe

[solid nova]

If I'm going to be miserable doing squats tonight, I might as well throw this into the mix and see how it goes

Off the bat, sounds beneficial but doesn't sound too pleasant 😅

[gaunt moat]

depends, maybe you like the feeling of getting knifed in the stomach

[shrewd oriole]

Ab exercises are so aids to do

[solid nova]

@somber otter Here fam

3 second delay before you opened as well

[somber otter]

Here and Ty for input. Trying to get better

[solid nova]

Yeah no sweat, theres much better people for sin advice but i'll throw in what i can

[shrewd oriole]

I can’t really check the logs on mobile

[solid nova]

You seem to have that 2-3 second delay on every fight mate on the openers

[shrewd oriole]

But you used potion of old war

[solid nova]

Prolonged power will serve you better than old war

And its cheaper 😉

And you're consistantly using TB and KB before getting rupture up

Your opener atm is Mut > Garrote > TB > KB > Rupture - it's just flat out wrong tbh

Oh, you're using mantle and wrists too

You're not utilising your Mantle buff at all then really

With your set up, follow this opener: https://gyazo.com/963fe7102acec85c499d9c4c285329a0

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ will serve you well mate

Give it a good read, its really good.

[somber otter]

I must have messed up in raid, that's what I thought I did.

[solid nova]

So looking at the gyazo for the opener

Then this is what you did

[somber otter]

but I think I walked to boss....

[solid nova]

Mut - Garrote - TB - KB - Rupture

No reason why you cant tricks > shadow step if you're not close enough

[somber otter]

That opener viewer is awesome, thanks. I'll look at that closer

[solid nova]

Like i said, theres better people to review it but thats what i can see looking briefly

At work atm so can't commit fully im afraid 😄

[shrewd oriole]

Is he using shoulders

[solid nova]

and wrists

[shrewd oriole]

That’s like 4 wasted cps

Alongside rupturing on Tb

[solid nova]

I'd personally get a WA for the mantle buff as it's being wasted atm

[shrewd oriole]

Alongside not having envenom up for KB

How are just vanish uses throughout the fight

Screen cap them

What about his tb

[solid nova]

Give me a min

[viscid helm]

Why do you need a wa for mantle?

[solid nova]

I personally dont, but as the buff is being wasted it might be beneficial

Oh

@shrewd oriole Didn't vanish on a single fight

[shrewd oriole]

Man there’s this girl I’ve been flirting with but she’s a lot taller than me

[solid nova]

Might as well take the mantle off tbh

[shrewd oriole]

Oh

[solid nova]

Mate,

The girl cant be taller than you

[viscid helm]

Who the fuck isnt taller than you

[solid nova]

I'm only like 175 but still

Cant be having that

[viscid helm]

You're shorter than tyler1

[solid nova]

Everyones shorter than Tyler1

[flint fable]

6'5 btw

[somber otter]

How can I hit a 4mil opener at 920 ilvl without using vanish,and being 2 seconds late on pull

[solid nova]

Dont be late on the pull

Open correctly using the links above, utilising your mantle buff

With Mantle, Vanish is a strong offensive CD

Not vanishing, when having shoulders equiped is a real waste of a bis leggo

You should be prepotting 1 second before pull timer ends as well

[somber otter]

Pretty sure I used vanish.

Work in progress

[solid nova]

Esepcially on the opener

You should be getting garrote and rupture up and then getting in as many envenoms as possible

While mantle is buffed

[shrewd oriole]

He vanished twice

On the vari kill

[kindred forge]

twice on vari 🤔 ?

[spare cloud]

Whats wrong with that 🤔

[solid nova]

Well what i can definitely see is you need to prepot

As you're not getting a 2nd pot in

[shrewd oriole]

Nah just saying Richard was saying he didn’t vanish but he did

[solid nova]

I must be blind Tom

[shrewd oriole]

He dropped env during kb a bunch

[solid nova]

😂

[spare cloud]

How do you burst as sub

[solid nova]

I didn't know your phone had photoshop

[spare cloud]

I wouldnt say last one is wrong in all cases

[shrewd oriole]

Using garrote is a dps loss if it means you’ll lose an envenom

He only got one envenom in during that window

[spare cloud]

Ah okay

[shrewd oriole]

So it’s likely the garrote lost him an envenom

[spare cloud]

I mean he probably went in with low energy

looking at the screenshots

[shrewd oriole]

Yep

Probs didn’t have cps ready too

[spare cloud]

if you overcap energy then evenoming before tb is fine

[echo estuary]

he forgot to grab a snickers

[spare cloud]

If you are low energy then you can wait at 3 cp for tb

then tb evenom with 5 cp

4/5 ofc

[somber otter]

I just used everything on cd, I think

Guess that is wrong too

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t use vanish on cd, hold it for vendetta

Don’t use rupture during TB

Always keep envenom up during KB (you can rupture in kb)

Pool before using TB

To ensure you get more envenoms in

Do the correct opener

That’s about it

[somber otter]

Envenom uptime is important for TB? Same level at keeping envenom up for OH?

Kb

[shrewd oriole]

The heck is OH

Ah

Well, you’re spamming envenom during TB

So hopefully you won’t drop the buff during tb lmao

[somber otter]

True, but there are times when TB is up and KB is not. So refresh rupture before and keep envenom up during TB.

[shrewd oriole]

Sure

[somber otter]

Thanks for input

[shrewd night]

[astral sundial]

so you are saying that during TB I should spam as many 4+ envenoms as possible (similar to mantle)? I was always just trying to keep SoT and envenom buff up

[zealous dew]

tb empowers envenom so if you pooooool before tb and have naiiiiiiiiiis crit you can even fit 4

[shrewd oriole]

That’s what I said yeah

For ran that is

[zealous dew]

or you could just play lock

and drain your UA

[lament pawn]

What is tb?

[clever niche]

True bearing

[gaunt moat]

....
Toxic Blade

[shrewd oriole]

Total blackness

[solid nova]

Toms Buff

[gaunt moat]

don't troll new people.

[solid nova]

I was just making a statement 😦

[lament pawn]

Im not at all but all these shortened words mess me up

New*

[solid nova]

TB = Toxic Blade and KB = Kingsbane mate

If there's slight confusion

[lament pawn]

Yea ty :)

[magic zenith]

fucking PB feels like it procs all the time in alpha. I wonder if that's just my lizard brain or if it's real.

[shrewd oriole]

I mean

25% proc chance

[magic zenith]

it only says 5%?

is it?

[shrewd oriole]

It’s 5 per cop

Cp*

[magic zenith]

ah

[shrewd oriole]

Double of what it is now

lol

[magic zenith]

Yeah it was procing during every quest mob last night

[shrewd night]

extensive gameplay

get more cp

get more finisher

get more pb

[midnight latch]

attac faster

[magic zenith]

But all of the 100 talents are aoe eh? What is the likelihood we even take pb?

[midnight latch]

about 2.5 give or take

[magic zenith]

obv too soon to tell.

[indigo cradle]

A dead channel until BFA

[magic zenith]

Aye, I'm bored and work is also dead rn.

[spare cloud]

Time to take risks and try fapping at work

[glad ferry]

You're korean. Should be easy.

[shrewd oriole]

lol

[sharp viper]

wow that's so racist

[glad ferry]

[spare cloud]

I am not korean

[lone junco]

@warm geode T20 Shoulder Glove. T21 Hat/Chest/Leg/Cloak. SSF(EOC) Argus. Crit/mastery Belt. Bracer Boot. I have Barbed socket neck. Mastery and Vers weights are very close, i prefer mastery. Kicker are fat crit rings like 2800-3100 crit. 3vend Then bb/malch/rupture blend.

[drifting cloud]

https://gyazo.com/12eb33cd43157cfbda3998d418b10a87 ty crucible 😂 🔫

[zealous dew]

kek

[astral sundial]

@lone junco what do you mean about "SSF(EoC)"? how do you choose which one to use?

[lone junco]

@drifting cloud put your weights in, and youll prob see that Mut crit with some value. not sure what you are replacing though.

[drifting cloud]

I dont need to put the weighs in to know its shit ;d

[lone junco]

@astral sundial depends on ilvl of each. they are both crit/agi.

isnt that vendetta mutcrit? whats the 2nd row?

[sharp viper]

i really like bb very versatile trait regardless of encounter style

[drifting cloud]

the middle row is the worst 2 possible

dark sorrows and healing shield

[lone junco]

yeah. If you dont have 75% mutcrit. 🤷

[sharp viper]

middle row is dark sorrows (shitty aoe) and lights embrace (shitty shield)

[lone junco]

got a bis relic recently, was 0.1% upgrade.

I guess my rogue is done

vendetta shock malch

grats

[zealous dew]

Noobe, how long left before your chest opens

[drifting cloud]

2h30 I think?

[lone junco]

dunno. I normally do mine in the afternoon

checking tho

[drifting cloud]

maybe 1h30 because they changed time

and EU does it this weekend

[zealous dew]

need to know the affixes 😃

[sharp viper]

@astral sundial depends on ilvl of the trinkets, your legendary setup, your crit chance and the fight itself, if it is ST without much/any switching eoc can give you a more reliable result since SSF is proc based

[lone junco]

SSF can align with BOTA

[shrewd oriole]

I got my cache down to 3 hours

Poggers

[lone junco]

much better than EoC can.

[solid nova]

I want to open my chest on a tuesday too 😦

[drifting cloud]

and the relic is -10k dps over my current one which is already pretty bad btw

mutilate/vers/rupture

lol.

[lone junco]

I got a currency conversion for Echoes of Battle.

guess there was a patch

[sharp viper]

yeah but that is rng, same goes for concordance

season 6 ended

pvp season 6*

[lone junco]

@zealous dew melted 2 HoV keys last night.

[zealous dew]

awesome

[lone junco]

perfet to hyja

[zealous dew]

you were healing ?

[lone junco]

then rip rip rip rip rip

nah.

main groups

[zealous dew]

😃

[sharp viper]

hyrja is the hardest boss in that instance, even after the nerf

especially on tyrannical

[lone junco]

our shm was like. sorry guys. grevious + i cant do it

and he is our best

2nd was a pug heals

holypriest, couldnt do it either

[sharp viper]

people need to play prydaz on that

[lone junco]

I did for the 2nd run

[sharp viper]

and have healthstones/pots ready

[lone junco]

I had the ret bop a person at max grevious going into 2nd add.

2 melee fail

warlock alt is fun though.

[sharp viper]

well yeah you want 1 melee max for that fight

[lone junco]

ill prob be up by the end of april.

once i get seed the instance runs will be a bit more fun. for now, Im just haunt stomping.

[sharp viper]

haunt D:

[lone junco]

lol. I dot them all, and when first add is at like 40% I just go Haunt haunt haunt

it resets on death, so I can spam it out like an execute

[sharp viper]

still a skill i would not use in max lvl pve

[lone junco]

of course not

using it to lvl.

this is the first toon ive leveled since like 2008-2009

[zealous dew]

what level ?

[lone junco]

30 ish.

get seed soon.

is there a mechanic that speeds up shard gen?

ye

box isnt open yet

[polar matrix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yFRMKvwt9kZzam4T#fight=15&type=damage-done what am i doing wrong, or why is my parse so much lower than the other rogue appreciate any insight

[lone junco]

vendetta vanish alignment with shoulders is wrong.

you have 2vend relics, and the timing is fucked up

[shrewd oriole]

lol

There you go

Got some more

That’s it

You had shit tbs p much every time but I’m not gonna screencap those

Would make up too many screen caps

[zealous dew]

I meant hyrja Noobe ):

[tiny widget]

Can you roast me Like that too?

[shrewd oriole]

If you link your logs

[tiny widget]

Sec

[shrewd oriole]

I’ll happily roast you

[polar matrix]

said the guy with a pic of a girls ass

[drifting cloud]

tom who do I roast when we wipe on vari when I have 15% pb pulls

[spice sorrel]

Your boomkins

[shrewd oriole]

What’s a boomie?

[zealous dew]

something that does dmg on coven and ahc

and in m+

[tiny widget]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XYDmyJKn4rNGRQxP#fight=11&type=damage-done these arent that bad but i know that im doing some things wrong

[shrewd oriole]

Which of the rogues are you

[tiny widget]

Zelulite

[zealous dew]

toxicity should play rogue

[spice sorrel]

Vari add killers and nothing else according to my guild apparently

[shrewd oriole]

There’s 4 of you

[tiny widget]

What

Oh

Lul

[shrewd oriole]

Nice fok cast

On imonar

Playing bracers shoulders

[spare cloud]

Tom toxic

[shrewd oriole]

You Trynna aoe your guildies or something

[spare cloud]

TT

[tiny widget]

Sometimes gotta spread the poison

[shrewd oriole]

Sometimes I wish wow had friendly fire too mate

[zealous dew]

he prob haz 7pk like every pro player

[spare cloud]

Wait they fixed pk?

[tiny widget]

Guess im casting fok too often because i dont wanna cap

[drifting cloud]

my 980 fok relic actually outsim 960 mass/shocklight/malch

[drifting cloud]

🤔

[shrewd oriole]

Interesting opener

[zealous dew]

nop 😦

[spare cloud]

I mean

Tb and kb are swapped

[shrewd oriole]

Vendetta before muti

[spare cloud]

But vendetta in the beginning is fine

[shrewd oriole]

Why does he take so long to use the abilities

[spare cloud]

Oh lol

[tiny widget]

Fat fingers

[shrewd oriole]

If you wanna vendetta in the beginning do it at pull

[spare cloud]

I didnt see the garotte

Because sunlight

[shrewd oriole]

Imma do the whole log then come back

Brb

[tiny widget]

Nice

[spare cloud]

Lel

You gonna get flamed my dude

[shrewd oriole]

K nevermind

[tiny widget]

Everyfight you mean? Or the whole imonar locl

K

[spare cloud]

Why are you using fok

[tiny widget]

Well wont get better im im not getting flamed

[shrewd oriole]

What the fok

[spare cloud]

Did you read the guide

[shrewd oriole]

At least you get it zelu

[tiny widget]

The first time i played assa i had so much wasted cp

[drifting cloud]

didnt someone say if you have 5pk its worth it to fok at 4cp

[shrewd oriole]

The other guy pmd me asking why I had such a condescending attitude

[spare cloud]

Read the guide then come back if you have questions

[tiny widget]

Now its gotten a bad habit

[shrewd oriole]

He has 4pk relics

[spare cloud]

Oh

Yeah but stilk not at 4cp

[shrewd oriole]

So this isn’t correct

[spare cloud]

Oh with 4 you mean

[shrewd oriole]

I think it’s only correct at 7

[spare cloud]

Its fine at 5+

[drifting cloud]

and only on 4 cp right

[spare cloud]

No

[drifting cloud]

if I have 3 you just mut?

[spare cloud]

3cp

[drifting cloud]

ah ok thanks

[spare cloud]

And then evenom at 4

[drifting cloud]

does simc do that btw

if you know

[tiny widget]

I often panic when having 3 and sot is going to run out so i just fok and then finisher so the debuff stays

[drifting cloud]

or is it paper math

[shrewd oriole]

Ok I’m done

[spare cloud]

Idk tbh

[tiny widget]

Do it

[hoary copper]

Its really early for this much

[hoary copper]

sips coffee

[spare cloud]

Just picked it up from someone that should know

[drifting cloud]

would explain why my 980 fok blood isnt getting shit on by 965 relics

[spare cloud]

That specific knowlegde

[tiny widget]

Gotta get on my computer to look at it

[shrewd oriole]

I didn’t screencap every time you used fok

But every time you used fok was wrong

[tiny widget]

Guess im unbinding it

[spare cloud]

[shrewd oriole]

Don’t unbind it, you use It on 2 targets

Just don’t use it on ct

St*

[tiny widget]

And Click it in the future

Like our raidlead clicks his spells

[spare cloud]

Wtf

[shrewd notch]

i have a habit of fokking when i need to refresh rupture and i'm at 4 cp without garrote coming soon

[spare cloud]

Another zempai

Oh god

Yeah thats wrong

[tiny widget]

zempai?

[shrewd notch]

do you just rupture at 4?

[spare cloud]

Just rupture at 4 cp

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[spare cloud]

Yeah w/e

It doesnt reduce the dmg

[shrewd oriole]

I mean I know the guide misses a lot of things but finishers at 4 isn’t one of them

[spare cloud]

It always ticks the same

It used to tick more the more cp you had i think

But not anymore

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah

[shrewd notch]

it used to yeah and now it's the same. i don't know where i got the idea that rupture you had to finish at 5, but env you could do 4 or 5

[shrewd oriole]

Idk either

[drifting cloud]

I remember praying for bota on ursoc prog with vanish bracers under 30%

[spare cloud]

Consistency is more important than burst

[drifting cloud]

it would do so much fucking mdg

[spare cloud]

Yeah i played warrior back then

[tiny widget]

Tom

[spare cloud]

And i didnt have ring and gloves

[tiny widget]

Can you check vari too?

[spare cloud]

So i was pretty much out of the raid

[drifting cloud]

well could be worse

you could be fury like our war

[spare cloud]

Why would you play fury in en

[drifting cloud]

because hes been playing fury

whole xpac

[shrewd oriole]

What

[drifting cloud]

same as a mage was always fire

[shrewd oriole]

He was fury in tos?

[drifting cloud]

even in nh

[spare cloud]

I know one of those

[shrewd oriole]

Those people are cancer

[spare cloud]

In my old guild

[shrewd oriole]

Lmao

[spare cloud]

He played arms once on archimonde

Bladestormed opener

Did like 40k dps

[shrewd oriole]

Thankfully my RL doesn’t tolerate that

[spare cloud]

It was like world 600

[shrewd oriole]

If you’re selfish and don’t wanna play what is clearly the better spec then fuck you

[spare cloud]

So nobody cared

[shrewd oriole]

👋

[drifting cloud]

40k dps isnt that like tank opener

[shrewd oriole]

Well idk

World 600 I guess no one cares

It’s not one guy doing 200k less dps that doesn’t get you kills

@ world 690

[spare cloud]

Yeh

[drifting cloud]

well world 600 on archi was after ilvl buff

so yeah it was alot different

[shrewd oriole]

Nah even now

[spare cloud]

I wasnt in the guild anymore back then

Was just fun watching that guy

[shrewd oriole]

If you’re a shitter guild and wanna play outlaw / fury in tos / sub in nh

No one really cares

In good guilds they’re usually less lenient

Thankfully

[spare cloud]

It doesnt really matter in those guilds

[shrewd oriole]

Exactly

Still think those people are dumb tho

[spare cloud]

Yeah if i were playing like arms on guldan

[shrewd oriole]

🤷

[drifting cloud]

I dunno Id say it depends on guild aswell

[spare cloud]

Wouldve been benched

[shrewd oriole]

For sure

[drifting cloud]

some guilds can be decent but if you raid like 6h a week

[spare cloud]

100%

[drifting cloud]

you have to be pretty good to have a good rank

[shrewd oriole]

Idd

[drifting cloud]

and even then youd be like rank 200+

[shrewd oriole]

8 hours on argus a eeek didn’t feel enough for me personally

[drifting cloud]

but among 2 day guild you would be top5

[spare cloud]

Yeh but thats to be expected

[shrewd notch]

it all depends on what you want out of the game. we only do 2 nights

[spare cloud]

If the whole method guild would raid 8 hours only they would be like 100 probably

[drifting cloud]

too bad flowi isnt here

[spare cloud]

It would be very hard to find a better guild with my times

[shrewd notch]

plenty of guilds with so-so players have good progression because they raid so many hours

[shrewd oriole]

Best example is disposition

[shrewd notch]

and then there are guilds with excellent players and good progression that raid only 2 days

[shrewd oriole]

World rank 41, 7 Days a week with day raiding

LUL

[drifting cloud]

what

is that for real

[shrewd oriole]

Ye

[shrewd notch]

with enough time you can brute force your way through it

[spare cloud]

Yeh

[shrewd oriole]

9 am raiding

Raided all the way till 9pm for their coven, who knows how long after

[spare cloud]

We did 4 days first 2 weeks then 3 days

[shrewd oriole]

LUL

[spare cloud]

Until recently

[drifting cloud]

yeah but wowprog has some weird timezone

its not cet

[shrewd oriole]

It’s gmt p sure

[shrewd notch]

we do 2 nights, and it's slower than i'd prefer but i like the chill atmosphere

[drifting cloud]

yeah I think its either gmt or even -1 of that whatever that makes it

[shrewd oriole]

It’s shows our kill timers at gmt+0

And they’re correct

[drifting cloud]

but they could have just day raided first few days

who knows 😛

[spare cloud]

Still bad for that

[shrewd oriole]

??? That’s still p depressing

[sharp viper]

so much commitment to a shitty race

[shrewd oriole]

Their early boss world ranks are bad for someone who’s day raiding

[spare cloud]

Like you have all the information

You dont even need to research yourself

You just need to watch better guilds do it

[drifting cloud]

yeah I guess I dont know how it takes you 10h to kill coven

based on the vari kill timer

[spare cloud]

Maybe they are trying themselves

And nobody is allowed to research

🤔

[shrewd notch]

that would be fun

imo

[shadow inlet]

yo insight knowledge Disposition raided 12+ hours for like 2 weeks and had more than 600 wipes on aggramar (only got a decent world rank due to time commitment)

[drifting cloud]

😂

[spare cloud]

Yeah that would be fun

But a clownfiesta

[shrewd notch]

haha for sure

i'm RL so i can't really get away with not researching, but i'd love to be able to get surprised by things

[spare cloud]

Join method then

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah lol

[spare cloud]

Well they do plenty of research

[shrewd oriole]

See

I told you

[spare cloud]

But its different from ours

[shrewd oriole]

They’re not great

Going through snap memories is always fun

[spare cloud]

Did you get nudes?

Or send them

[shrewd oriole]

Lul

[tiny widget]

tom can you roast me for varimathras too? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XYDmyJKn4rNGRQxP#fight=18&type=damage-done

[shrewd oriole]

I have like 20 variations of that meme

It’s just gonna be the same mistakes

Why would I do it again

[spare cloud]

Go ahead tom roast him

Im not home

[tiny widget]

and a question about FoK do i really never cast it in singletarget?

[spare cloud]

Cant do it

[shrewd oriole]

Never ever ever

Ever ever ever

Evevrvrrvrvcecevecevr

[tiny widget]

but im wasting cp from the mutilate crits then or do they not matter

[shrewd oriole]

If you cast fok on st you’re triple gay tbh

Yes you are

[drifting cloud]

atleast mutilate does dmg

[shrewd oriole]

But that’s life

[tiny widget]

ok

[shrewd oriole]

I hate that you can’t send videos on discord

[spare cloud]

Back to work

[shrewd oriole]

Rh WhatsApp group when

[spare cloud]

Never

Why even its the same as discord

[tiny widget]

you can send gifs and vids

[shrewd oriole]

Nah can’t send videos

[spare cloud]

You can do that in discord?

[shrewd oriole]

Can send link to videos

But not videos themselves toph

Just sends as a file

That people gotta download

[spare cloud]

Yeh well that would end in some fucked up shit

[shrewd oriole]

No one does that

[spare cloud]

Imagine all the furry hentai

[shrewd oriole]

See

😦 it sucks

[spare cloud]

Yeah thats better than seing a preview of some dick

In my opinion

[zealous dew]

coven HC down!

and got trinket!

[shrewd oriole]

[solid nova]

PUG Number 16/17?

[zealous dew]

sort of

[solid nova]

Spicy

[zealous dew]

no more coven

😄

[spare cloud]

Also i dont want rh to have my phone number

[tiny widget]

Tom cna you tell me what i did wrong here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/425641786753548289/image.png

[spare cloud]

Why

[tiny widget]

kingsbane?

[spare cloud]

Vanish before

[shrewd oriole]

Why did you kb before tb

[spare cloud]

Tb

[shrewd oriole]

Why did you vanish

Yeah exactly

[spare cloud]

Why dont you just play it like in the opener

[zealous dew]

why did you log that

[tiny widget]

why shouldnt i

[spare cloud]

Its literally just repeating the opemer

[shrewd oriole]

^

[spare cloud]

Assuming the opener is played correctly

[drifting cloud]

and tb in vanish window

is rly bad

[spare cloud]

Ofc

[drifting cloud]

better not using it at all

[shrewd oriole]

^

Leaves you with a really awkward amount of cps

2

[tiny widget]

ok ty

[spare cloud]

You have to mut

And its guaranteed crit

[shrewd oriole]

And waste 1 cp

Yep

[spare cloud]

So 1 cpnwasted

[shrewd oriole]

Aids

[spare cloud]

Unlucky

[shrewd oriole]

The right action there would’ve been vendetta Tb kb then use vanish etc

[tiny widget]

ok

about execute phase do i use vanishj with vendetta or do i wait for a poison bomb proc?

dont kill me for that question

[drifting cloud]

well pb only lasts 3 sec so even if u proc it when u need 5 cps even if u get double muti crit its still only 4

and then its already expired

you dont want to vanish muti

[tiny widget]

ok

[drifting cloud]

you just pray it procs after you vanish

our class fantasy

[tiny widget]

aight

[zealous dew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/414281809493229578/Screenshot_25.png

[sharp viper]

RNG is our class fantasy

[tiny widget]

Tom would you mind looking at my logs again tomorrow when i do my reclear?

[sharp viper]

just go ahead and link them after your clear tomorrow (or even during if you are dareing)

[tiny widget]

alright

[shrewd oriole]

Yeah sure I don’t mind

[tiny widget]

thanks

[arctic venture]

guys best gear for pvp?

im not much into into.

legendaries?

[tiny widget]

highest ilvl

legendarys are deactivated in pvp

[shrewd oriole]

#pvp

this is the pve channel

[tiny widget]

how good is wowanalyzer for rogues?

[shrewd notch]

last i checked it wasn't really developed yet

[shrewd oriole]

not very good for assa

afaik

[tiny widget]

ok had my vari log gone through it and it told me " There are no major issues in this fight. Good job! " eventhough i had 11 fok casts in the fight lol

[shrewd notch]

mythic vari?

[tiny widget]

nah hc

havent killed any mythic bosses with my rogue yet

[shrewd notch]

all good, just curious if that was it b/c of the add

[hoary copper]

wowanalyzer doesnt work with sin if I recall

Did HTOS on my pally and 950 t20 rogue tier dropped. QQ

[shrewd oriole]

Nic

what piece?

[hoary copper]

helm

No sea star for me tho

[manic vigil]

T20 head

[hoary copper]

the fact it tf that high tho, the rogue that got it was sub so Im sure he was prob happy

[magic zenith]

How big do t20 gloves shoulders need to be?

[hoary copper]

why wear T20 when you have leggo shoulders, unless your

[manic vigil]

Mine are 920 and 930. I'm not a big boi rogue yet with full mythic gear. But it's still simming best for me

[magic zenith]

end of tier, trying to keep it interesting. ;D

[shrewd oriole]

helm is p decent

[hoary copper]

My Hpally are all 915-925 which is why I havent replaced it with T21 yet, need the 4th piece. My t20 legs are 900 tho

[shrewd oriole]

for sub

[manic vigil]

Oh yeah sub

I need to farm t20 again as well I guess

[shrewd oriole]

man doing a 16 on a 880 char is fun

[sharp viper]

poison bois can play with boots bracers, t21 4p and shoulder +pants/hands offpiece

[manic vigil]

I miss 4p as sub

[shrewd oriole]

lul

[manic vigil]

I need 4 985 t20

Easy right

[plain thistle]

get rekt noob

[zealous dew]

use evasion

[lone junco]

@zealous dew 17 HoV. we had a moonkin pug just bombing the trash, but our resto got behind on the grevious at the same point each pull. we did 4 back to back before the moonkin bailed.

[plain thistle]

or just get better 🤷

[zealous dew]

hehe poor priest

[plain thistle]

I woke up savage today

[shrewd oriole]

Im on an alt

[lone junco]

the 17 was resto shm.

we tried again on a 14, and the priest pug just fucking died about 5 sec into each pull. so no more Tyrannical hov for me.

[zealous dew]

hyrja is just overtuned

[lone junco]

I play exang for tyr, and I got a 2nd vanish on 1st boss.

[zealous dew]

the healing output required is freaking insane

[lone junco]

so 3 exangs.

was pretty solid.

[strange python]

hyrja is rogue boss

[lone junco]

just swap shoulder bracer mines for trash,

[shrewd oriole]

hyrja is overtuned af

[strange python]

ez

[lone junco]

you say that. but the grevious stacked across the board asap

[zealous dew]

yeah grievous + hyrja = 😄

[lone junco]

he's our best M+ healer too.

but rip

[sharp viper]

he's not playing hpally 🤔

[hoary copper]

I did a 8 on my hpally, 880 tank. Wasnt fun. He wouldnt let grievious clear and then would pull 2 groups sometimes 3

[sharp viper]

why would you get an 880 tank?

[lone junco]

he qued into a pug

healers get instant inv.

and got burnt

check their hps next ime.

[solid nova]

Thought I'd do LFR on the alt and the tank on Agg had 4.9m hp

[hoary copper]

I joined their group, boasted good io and I needed to do SOMETHING this week

[manic vigil]

880 xd

[solid nova]

Never seen a tank get 1 shot in lfr before

[manic vigil]

Nice Meme

[hoary copper]

Ha that's pretty bad

I mean he might have been closer to 900 cause he had a leggo maybe 2 but all his gear was pretty much 880

We cleared it on time, like 18 deaths. Oh and the top dps was the frost dk a bit over 1.3 and the next dps was under 600K, then tank then me then arms warrior

idk where I find these groups

[lone junco]

I ran like 10 M+ on hpal 6-12s all went smooth. 14 vault put me in my place. but this week should be a gold mine.

[sharp viper]

but seriously everyone needs to start somewhere, it still gets frustrating if people get overconfident

[lone junco]

sanguine volcanic fort.

time for a 20 upper

[sharp viper]

EZ as hell

[hoary copper]

What ilvl is your pally noob?

[lone junco]

944

[hoary copper]

ah yea you have a little bit on me

[lone junco]

4p21 is the major

you get a 15M flash into BoV. ding full

[hoary copper]

yea I need 1 more piece

[solid nova]

Idk how people have the patience to heal - just sit and watch chaos unfold.

[lone junco]

but the sea star is good as well

[solid nova]

Throw me on a tank or dps anyday