#assassination
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outlaw cheesing cleave or legit log?
Legit log
Good rng on trinket
^
Pantheon makes snd have big swings
cool
but also
can you seperate pantheon cleaves?
94*
cuz it might overvalue it due to that extra hits
Meanwhile I have 19k mastery
LUL
Ah
Nice sockets lmao
Fucking nuts
Meanwhile I only have 3
Rip
Wonder whoโs more rng
Outlaw or assa
sin for sure?
Dunno what the average for pantheon is
But 12% being a proc that requires 4 trinkets in your raid to proc
Sounds like a lot of rng
Yeah ours is useless
Which WA you are using to have time left on rupture and garrot?
I dont
I use notters
then how you know there is less than 8 sec on rupture to refresh ? and 6sec on garrote ? for pandemics ?
Ok, I have a question. Do you want to keep surge of toxins up all the time?
the glow on pandemic is cute ๐
yeah you want SoT up as much as possible.
@astral sundial Notters WA become red when you have to refresh?
And I made TMW's for it malth
@brisk abyss they get a golden glow for garrote and rupture. couldn't figure out how to do it for envenom : .
@prime void TMW better than WA?
@astral sundial will try notter ๐
i told you though :x
just look at the other WAs that glow, in the behavior tab
well, actually not just that tab i suppose
i think you also need to select the WA frame itself in the display tab
i don't remember everything by heart, sorry :x
just go over every tab and make sure it's the same
(with relevant changes)
ye I appreciate your help @gaunt moat , I just didn't even manage to find anything called "behavior" in the options and decided not the bother you with it anymore
maybe i'm confusing the name, it might be actions or conditions tab
Dead channel
I know! It's good that master looter is going away! Its a positive change for everyone
ducks
@gaunt moat I tried to check it and WA decided to disable itself (even tho it was working literally a second before, and is enabled on the addons menu..). I will try it again later when it sort itself out or I reinstall it
OCEAN MAN
take me by the hand
Lead me to the land
that you understand
why did you destroy the lyric chain
wiping on coven...
what the heck was that
Any tip for High Command?
Do i dot adds?
Won the Argus Mount - god its so ugly but i still love
dirty
Something changed in sim today? :S Sim like 40k lower
never been like that so dunno really
Fuck that other dude sims for 2.4
Do i FOK with two targets?
depends on crit
if you have very high crit and run EP. then mut 2. if you have low crit and high mastery and play MP, then fok 2
everyone foks at 3
unless you feel like editing the APL a bit, just fok on 2.
Yeah, and unless you are tracking your crit rate (due to their kinda being a threshold for CP generation), just FoK on 2+ targets.
Ok, ty guys
Plus EP is really concerned with EP Rupture uptime on both. no time for lolly gagging fok flight times.
I don't know the reason but recently I have found myself being energy starved quite a bit, same gear same talents as before but a very noticeable drop in energy gain?
Yeah you forgot to apply your poisons.

I got 4pc shoulders and braces at 963 ilvl
Yeah just get all the gear you need and you're good
You're not likely to just lose energy regen or feel starved on a whim.
alac is pretty gross.
should be easy.

You've probably just ascended to a higher state of perception and things just seem slower for you now.
Nah no weed today
Why would you need it in this empowered form?!
But on a more serious note, it's probably nothing.
Poisons Applied, Bleeds Up, things will be fine.
Ikr but it's direct after opener when I'm looking to vanish
Dwarven thx for insight ima do some normal see wat logs are saying
Stupid auto correct lol
no chance i can survive mythic garothi explosion with feint and 20% avoidance right
pay for bop
What else are you using CD for?
You might be able to survive it with DC+Feint and walking back a LITTLE.
If it isnt in your exang rotation, you can run out and back and not miss a tick
To scale the damage down a little.
What's the best M+ for iron relics? VOTW?
@prime void tbh. I think my rings are prob too good and bracer too bad to use insig boot.
I'll give it a go tonight tho.
:(((
That 960 nibbler isn't getting proper pwn tho.
truth
@lone junco whats your hp sitting at
im like 5.8 in bleed 6.4 in poison or some big diff
t20 feels bad
doing 2.1 at 955 ish feels good tho
well. i just played with the rudest M+ group since i started playing M+
2.1 is nice.
2.1? at 955? better than me smh.
i mean i have to get good bota for 2.1 but nobody needs to know that
well, if you think about I can get 4M+ dps easily, I just need to proc 2-3 poison bomb every toxic blade ๐คท
and during shoulder AND WRIST, 100% poison bomb uptime
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the dream
i dont get how yall can not like seat
tell me in what other dungeon you can pull a 20mill envenom
Hi, new to the discord channel, curious of how much mastery I should have compared to critical strike. Sill gearing at the moment. Toon:
you should sim yourself, no magic number
^
K, Raidbots
yup
K will do, talents look correct?
geneally speaking yes, but tallents change with different build and legendaries
like with shoulder you use nightstalker and not subterfuge, or with alacrity or exsanguinate build you dont use master poisoner
and other things
@prime void def hit 50% crit flat. + dogs
Ok, I will read the guide, I'm due to get a Leg. tommorow.
Also, is there a talent selection for heavy AOE, HC, Eonar, etc
i was gonna invite you to raid with me cause all the loot i get is useless then i saw horde :/
I think they dont cover AoE, eonar , etc because it doesnt change that much. only thing I like to do in dungeon is always use nightstalker just because garroting AoE packs usually is a dps loss
Ok.
you honestly only need 1 bleed for 3+ targets for the guaranteed energy
your talents is very likely to never change for single target or AoE, with the exception of NS vs SUBT
with 4 set anyway
K, I raid H. every Sat. at 6. So gear will come quickly
Hi guys I have a real problem: 950 ilvl and 1.1m dps >.< can somebody help me witt linking me a guide or something?
top of discord
50/115 is prob not gonna work out
@rose copper ghost link your wowlogs profile
running weights, cause it was a loss out of the gate
Dont have it right now >.<
if youve done any kind of raiding you have it.
Anyone here stick with Sin even in M+? and never changes?
ye
does anyone have a weak aura for announcing poison bomb? xd
only TMW
Hello everyone, new to the channel. I was wondering if there is a weakaura for /y poison bomb so annoying tanks dont move mobs out of it all the time?
did you insult him?
only reasonable option
so some of you are hardcore asssination players, dont switch to sub?
No
we all are subs
where the fuck is the artifact forge in the warlock orderhall
at the top of the path in front of fel lava
No I didn't
that real?
same tier as poison bomb on alpha atm
crimson tempt gone or?
will be very good with master assassin talent if they give fok enough base value
crimson tempest is on the same tier too
oh boy
heres to hoping crimson temp is the best one in that row because man the anim is cool
doesn't vanish have 40s cd as well on alpha?
wat
Crimson temp is used where youre constant moving.
no lol
PB for static boss
o nvm then
So not real?
also having to talent into dispatch is kinda aids
Whats not real
i was told vanish had 40s cd
@tranquil birch
but it doesn't
@turbid harbor https://puu.sh/zJfV5/b17567ab8f.png
He said no to 40sec vanish
oh ok
depending on what is better
its right there
mfd is lvl 45
on the very pic you linked
cause it serves as a cp talent
Thats 99% placeholder
!trinkets
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
whats my ideal crit chacne?
100%
220%
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lul "totally not weAk"
yeah, the blue name doesn't give it away ๐ค
special snowflake rank
alac on imonar? or nah
timing is weird for exs
and i could use the hp
toxic blade and venom rush on the same row ๐ค
the problem with boots and/or alacrity for immonar is that if your group has a decent dps, you will not get 2 vendetas per phase
decent dps but its only their 2nd kill. gonna try boots this pull
yeah, I used boots for first and second kill, but after that it wasnt worth it
exsang timers are kinda cucking me because im holding a combo for like 14 or so seconds
playing poison over bleed atm just for the hp aswell
bigger cushion
!trinkets
List of trinkets for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
doesnt exsang run MP?
if their mastery is high enough, might be better
I don't play exsang so I wouldnt know ๐คท
@strange python you almost caught up. What's your ilvl with that?
ah.
lol the lego cloak and the hidden blades talent both stack sub is going to have broken burst for those few weeks in the pre patch if it stays that way
I havent thought about prepatch much.
10sec alignment over 14sec
will be interesting to have haste stacked with shoulders.
stealth NS CT
i have been making sure to keep my haste gear just for kicks
SEPHUZ BIS
dont shadowstep the boss, shadowstep to someone in raid if you soak the mark
theres a chance when he turns to cast youll land on the tanks
is there any dr for mastery? i am at 163% and 30% crit?
i like to go into the soak with full cp too so if you get a pb the add goes poof
do these stats sound good to you guys- 30% crit, 4% haste, 218% mastery, 7% vers, and 5% avoid
what's not to like
Those stats sound like stats that are found on Assassination Rogues.
I linked my Archimonde Cutting edge. guess people really dont check your links
lol
I linked an Imperator CE one time and got invited.
turns out they didnt know the diff. this is a shit show. heroic antorus pug. almost wiped on garothi
So like most "AotC only" groups.
meh could be they just thought archimonde cutting edge is good eonugh. celestial defender still gets me invites and I didn't raid for years
im out world questing. tryin to stack up my order hall resources since i get at least 300 per wq regardless of what the reward is. and i notice i have to keep re applying my posions. anyone know why they keep falling off? i know it hasn't been a few hours even and ive re applied like 5 times
poisons*
rip indeed
we've been carryin KJ's but no luck with avatar dorpping shoulders
im looking at the guide site
for those without shoulders int he opener it says exsang
anyone know what that is referring to?
new rogue here
thats for a different spec, if you dont have shoulders there is an opener inbetween for you
exsang is a spec that relies on getting big ruptures via exsanguinate instead of toxic blade.
re: bleedbois
gotcha
im running nightsalker and i have the talent ring so i have both deeper strat and vigor
and i am not using subterfuge
ok
hi question for everyone or anyone who can answer. havent played my rogue in quite awhile 7+ years just got him to 110 and i'm looking at the rotation for assassnation Opener without shoulders [Subterfuge on ravenholdt.net it says to use vanish when garrote is at pandemic what exactly is pandemic some sort of debuff ?
Pandemic is in the guide in the Questions section at the end.
It's a nickname for a mechanic. it means extending debuffs.
Mmmm, this silence reminds me of all the tech forums/online question and answer banks where someone;
Hey I have a problem
endless discussions
Oh thanks but I fixed it!
i fucking hate those
They don't even mention what post helped, just that everything is good now thanks! /fucksOffForever
mmmm fish
anyone knows how to filter debuff on elvui boss frames to show your own debuffs only ?
It's a Filter thing under Unit Frames > Target Frame/Boss Frame > Debuffs. Don't remember off the top of my head, but pretty sure only debuff filters I run are Personal and Boss.
Jk only Filter I have active is personal.
same, but I can still see others
Hey @gaunt moat , I tried again to put glow on envenom pandemic and found the tab your were talking about (conditions, and in there each tab separate under "differences" ) and I noticed rupture is simply tagged to glow at 7.2 seconds - doesn't that means that by following it I waste al lot of uptime on 4 cp ruptures?
I true i didn't make it work in a "smart" way.
but do you waste a lot? nah.
with 4CP pandemic is at 6 seconds
sometimes i rupture even at 9 seconds, so like... don't sweat it too much
I guess most times it won't matter since I generally won't refresh rupture immediately on pandemic, but would it take me a lot of work to separate the 4cp and 5 cp ruptures (while they are still sharing the same window in my UI?). mainly asking cuz if I want to pandemic for envenom I am pretty sure it's much more relevant for it
yes. cause it's not as simple as "check debuff duration"
you need to save a variable of how many CPs you used for that finisher FOR THAT MOB.
so if you switch between targets
it will still be correct
I assumed 4 cp envenom and 5 cp envenom have diffrent spell ID
but I have no clue about this
so might just be talking nonsense
it's a lot of work for something this unimportant in my eyes
envenom is self buff no?
Ye something I need to get better at is refreshing rupture
nope, same spell IDs, that's the issue
I am pretty bad about the rupture pandemic window, I always think "oh rupture has 8 seconds and envenom is falling off in 5, better refresh envenombefore rupture" >.<
but since i never really played around envenom, didn't really think it's needed to make it glow
depending on cooldowns coming off, that's usually what you sohuld do liavre, so you're doing fine
Yeah but then I never have the energy to get the points before rupture drops
well during KB and TB I have trouble keeping both envenom and SoT up if Idon't try to pandemic it (could have to do with my very low crit)
i see, well in that point you either just refresh above pandemic (which is not the end of the world, really) if you're at full energy
or pool some energy.
Yeah it's just one of those smaller things I gotta work on
Also I gotta get better gear
Cause my stats are shite
@gaunt moat not sure if your last answer was to Liavre or me :X
for liavre
so when you say you don't track envenom, you mean you just track SoT and assume envenom will be up enough if you do?
i do track envenom, it's in the WAs
i just don't make it glow
but yeah i don't really play around envenom
What do you mean by the last statement there
Like you don't really prioritize refreshing it or something?
he wants to make envenom glow to refresh envenom only at pandemic time for envenom
Except in like kb windows
Ah
Meh
Just learn what pandemic time is and refresh it then
It'll just take a bit of practice
well I generaly refresh at 2 seconds
I'd probably go lower tbh
but easier if it glows, and if I can separate 4cp and 5 cp ones
Because you get the same amount of time per rupture cast
Err envenom
Just pandemic makes refreshing have leeway ๐คท
You can just think of refreshing at low pandemic as moving time from the new buff to the old buff
And vice versa
well I don't refresh at pandemic just becuz
I do that to keep both SoT and envenom up
so I can choose if to refresh envenom or rupture for example
@safe matrix play exsang if you want to train your pandemic management ๐
youll need to 'foresee' two refreshes. one after an exsang, based on exsang cd to get pandemic at the halfway, then another one that is on pandemic as exsang comes upp
And I don't think I have the crit to get back up to 4-5 points for a rupture refresh without going energy starved
Or is a 3 point or so rupture refresh fine?
if you aim for env uptime and dont lose anything down the road
yeah
but youll need to refresh it sooner
so no fault in refreshing at 3 if you dont lose anything 20 sec later
Yeah, but I should probably do some 3 pt refreshes so it doesn't fall off
Is 32% low?
depends on how you like to play :p
in my best gear i have like 3k haste, feelsbad
tier pieces with haste are loathsome
@safe matrix you mean to scuff your dps? ๐
im 971 and sim 2.36
I don't have a single MAss
And I think I only have like one MAlch
I don't even know dude
I can't even
Yeah but with proper optimization I should be much higher
2.36 is pretty nuts must have a lot of sockets
0
Good relics and good stat distribution probs
slack just wears BiS 
i dont play the worst build which is mp tb 
Is anyone even 980 worldwide yet?
Mm yeah I'm only 2.25 at 972. Only have 190% mastery though
if ur 980, argus trinket is only 20 ilvls above the average
out of 15 slots it only accounts to 1.2 ilvls
oh shite it's snowing
i think there was another alpha invite wave
some random people i know got invites now
yeh
Guys do i enchant my rings based on my primary stat from siming myself? Is it mastery everytime?
hopefully you can queue for a dungeon now without having to wait for 2 hours
in raidbots you have an option in "top gear" to choose which enchants and gems you are using
Got it
slagg i tried your cloak 30 then swap etc, worked decently in LK
close to 4m overall

@zealous dew ofc it works ๐
its worth even at 15 stacks
was running ukara.. a prot pally joined
he said hes here for eoc
i said like we all
then he said wait why you need eoc and linked me my 970 ssf
i said 955 eoc is better than 970 ssf
he said
nah

No u
I remember grinding for EOC on my prot pally
Fuck tanking for all pug groups
slag just had this discussion yd night
for almost everyone 970 ssf will actually sim higher then 955 eoc
why would i be concerned for what is best for others
just like some fuckwit shouldnt be concerned to what is best for me
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hey if you don't wanna talk about it then just don't ๐
i mean he implied he knows better than me ๐คท๐ฟ
so basicly what ssf is better than 940 eoc?
my 945 eoc is better than my 965 ssf
i think there is alot of switching in antorus
you can bypass most switching and losing stacks with mousover macros
you can bind mutilate envenom rupture and garrote to mousover
so you never lose stacks while effectively cleaving
don't you target wrong stuff by mistake wtih it?
I mean
just hover your mouse
when you actually want to hit your target but your mouse pointer is on some random shit by mistake
well 
thats a player issue
takes some getting used to ofc
but like
i use mousover as shiftmod
so mistakes like that dont happen
i am still thinking if i should farm the titanforge one since i have the 940 version
if its worth it
Is it worth holding TB for Kingsbane if one of both is almost off CD? Also, does rogue still play into pooling Surge of Toxins?
955 eoc > 970 ssf for me. if i happened to get a 965 eoc i would never need to switch trinkets again
wow
what about CoF at some point?
so you play boots wrist?
dropping vendetta cd any more would be negative dps since you always exsang with vendetta
t20 2p boot wrist
bleed build still plays 4-2 set? ๐ฎ
what IL your t20 is?
960
@dark parcel t20 2p t21 4p
ye
interesting
doesn't sim high for me compared to poison build, running 16k mastery
I guess if you have 960 t20
well you need that t20 and 3x ma
you would even use it in poison
i do
makes sense, my T20 is 930ish
do you have some logs I can peak at?
Is this spec sorta like Afflock where you just 6-point dot and then walk away to the next mob?
Is it worth holding TB for Kingsbane if one of both is almost off CD, or is it a dps loss due to the impact Deadly Poison has? Also, does rogue still play into pooling Surge of Toxins?
@dark parcel you want to hold TB for a max. of ~5s - mostly you have every third TB aligning with KB ... if you can clip SoT without stressing your rotation go for it - most importantly you clip it during KB as it modifies its base ticks
Im always curious if I should try to clip SoT or t21 4piece buff
Im not sure which one sims the highest
thanks, that answers it, i can clip SoT without issues if i pool, looks good, you're not spamming your keys but ye
If you get lots of 4CP it's not an issue, but don't overthink it with pooling to much - likely can get a loss aswell
don't
not worth at all?
U can FoK at 3 CB if u have 5 PK relics
maybe if you have poisoned knived relic : /
i have 1 PK relic
Which is kinda nice, to keep clipping SoT
1 PK relic = 5 PK traits
That's what u mean, right?
You have a total of 5 PK traits
ah ye
to keep the clip, yeah feels good ๐
Ye
Well it's a DPS increase to get rid of the PK relic
With something like BB or Malch
I'm actively hunting for a new Iron relic to get rid of my PK
But untill then, im using fok on 3 CB
shouldn't you go for Master Alchemist or Master Assasin?
Yes
but BB or Malch still -> PK?
But BB sims higher than Master Assassin for me, cuz i only have 1 NA
MA*
2nd MA relic is worthless
but 3rd is big
rly?
Yea
Balanced Blades right?
Yup
whats your crit %
28%
hmm
But sim youself
yeah
Might depend on stats and stuff
think Master Alch is still biggest increase due to my mastery (16k), but ye will sim
check out herodamage and remember to pick your build and lego comp
Yup, Malch is highest for me aswell
btw, does any of you high good Angerboda is for Sin? ๐ It feels like "decent", but i have a 970 one, so it just sims high
check out herodamage and remember to pick your build and lego comp
check out herodamage and remember to pick your build and lego comp
check out herodamage and remember to pick your build and lego comp

does build include trinkets? ๐ค
i wouldnt use it over a good stat stick or dogs trinket but it is a little bit better then what it sims
coz of the whole proc on death thing its quite strong on argus at least
Like ret buff
no
boda procs on party/raid death
oh shit
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do i use toxic blade on cooldown?
Don't use it .you might break it
toxic leaf
everyone here uses alacrity so yo know
is it more important to keep up sot or envenom buff? dmg wise
I don't even know how to tackle that question... envenom refreshes SoT...

how do i sim others from bnet ? coz when i load characters it telling me - no crucible data availbile
blizzard's armory doesn't have crucible data. so you can't.
well, you can, just not with crucible data
Still cant realmtransfer my warrior 
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warrior ๐
Execute 
weeb
saber best grill


Wow it's wild in here toda.... 
Are yall praising our lord and savior alacrity btw?
I'm so glad Don Jose showed us the light
If you have any questions make sure to contact him

Slackerjerker
Nice
thought everyone was a warlock by now
nice try
I got one and I suck at it, more than at rogue
Our destro lock was actually poppin off this week
I am equipping a warlock right now.
@warm parcel ur late to the party
He got a great parse on PK
You can fuck off plebaris
P nutty
1v1
not really hard to parse against 1000 other people
of whomst'd've 995 are normal plebs who never watched a guide
๐ ๐ป ranged
feelsclickerman
shit, I picked up ToS mission with max rolls
Romans wiped because plebs were in abundance
99% thats sick
orb runnign ok ๐
I have to do that too
all 3?
wtf tom
looks like that ww needs to stop carrying plebs and find a guild on his level
Yes
thats a shit log
full speed โฟ right there
Tom a team player and not a parse whore 
yeah its like 15 seconds wtf
I casted 1 vendetta on the boss
You dont have to run at 100% for first orb
nah
that's too low for us
they'd be waiting for a while
this strat makes it harsher on me but nicer on the people going into portals imo
then I run red -> shadow
when I reach shadow the boss is around 70%
so I chill until 66
at 66 I grab the shadow orb
we just have healers do it
run to poison
On second I have to run early too
because we got a shitty boss positioning where if I run at like 64-63
yeah, I dont touch the boss between opener and poison add dying tho
and then after poison go boss till 30%
at 30 lust and go up on the shadow dude
Ahh havent done barrels of fun wq in a long time
teamplayer
because they suck
probably
you just take them down anyways
after you kill fire add
so not really a big loss
that's what I'm saying
I take it down, run it to shadow
and then just afk @ shadow
for 4%
ya we have healers run every orb
What
sucks to leave boss at 30% with lust
but otherwise yea
Why dont you just
leave the fire orb down and go on boss
for the 4%
and just take it with you when shadow add is up
cuz it's not worth it
by the time I'm down and on the boss
I have to go up again
4% seems worth it
LOL
Like
why do you run to fire
at that time
Oh wait
what the fuck
are your timings
they are messed up

whatcha mean
I have like 25 seconds or so on boss after we kill fire
No we just kill the top add fast
we only send 5 people up

Shit timings 
it's not shit if youre not running orbs lol

well you will probably have no add dmg
When monk runs
ye ye got it
I keep flying into alliance enclave 
I wonder how it feels to get stomped by one guy in the raid 24/7
is that ww on a payroll to boost? xd
well immonar is just luck
fine
that ww is performing consistently how is it luck xd
for rogue it is.
I know obviously kami is way better
and here
first one was garothi
second KG
Monkeem is just not as good
monk is p consistent spec
Why doesn't he teach the other one? Probably keeps feeding him bs to look better himself. A guild full of sociopaths indeed

indeed
Why would you teach someone whos most likely not willing to accept the help
he just wana be n1 in his guild ego
its like the kids in school who dont want to do math
its not his job to be a mentor lol, just because they share guilds?
You guys are dicks
Thats like paying a whore and proudly saying you lost your virginity
they prolly dont even speak with eachover.
Probably because hes busy crying while looking at details
doesnt want you to hear the whimps
Isn't that sentiment how you guys make your gold in wow? Selling illusions of achievement
i prefer hookers, straight to the point and no bullshit
@manic vigil that was deep
tbh if I was working full time and wanted to collect mounts or smth
I would buy as well
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Its just simple capitalism
Like most of the people buying stuff like that got their money from flipping shit in the auction house
not the most clean method to make money
dude wtf
I got something I didnt order
on top of what I ordered
maybe it was an offer
send it back like good guy unimatrix would do
Uncalled for
Well now that I think about it
Even sarcastically, I like it
one of these
Thanks
I didnt know what a chilly pepper was before
and some girl was like
omg I bet no one can eat it all
and then i ate it in one bite
and I nearly died
I'm used to spicy food
my dad cooks shit and just throws those in there
very spicy
like they are onions
You shouldnt have bitten on the seeds
but usually the spice comes gradually
this shit was just instant
or just chew the outer stuff
Yeah if you bite on it like a real chad
got it daddy
๐
Impressing a girl through self-inflicted pain. What century is this
any of them
Some things never change
just wanna-be alpha
it never stopped being good
Ye
the seeds are bringing the spice
I mean it worked




